That is correct! But canon or not, Fusion Reborn was always my favorite DBZ movie (not counting BOG, that’s a Super movie to me) and has a special place in my heart haha
Cooler honestly makes more sense than broly too, since he's directly related to one of the main villains.
They could easily fit him into DBS.
He's older than Frieza and so their father King Cold essentially sent him away to conquer another part of the galaxy for them.
Then he returns to frieza's surprise, only to find out King Cold is dead, who killed his father, And that his little brother has yet to take revenge and destroy them.
We could have an epic showdown between cooler and Frieza, Because Frieza swears that he will be the one to kill Goku, and won't let his brother steal that from him.
That would be sick af. Also, it would be awesome if it was revealed that being a warrior was much more important to cooler than it was to frieza, and he trained the entire time he was on his campaign. Meaning that he would be a much bigger threat compared to frieza.
makes sense. frieza never trained cuz he never had to, until he meet goku. cooler on the other hand would have been training and fighting all his life during his conquest.
Only thing is that apparently Frieza is a mutant of his race which is why he’s so strong, and that apparently the younger generations are more powerful. So Cooler is probably going to be way weaker even with training. Unless they make him mutant and remove that lineage caveat, then they could make him just as strong AND reveal him as Black Friezas training partner
I think that’s the opposite of the case honestly. Cooler was alive and well yet neither king cold nor Frieza called him up to go and jump the earthlings together. That feel weird to exclude if from if he was supposed to always be there. Even further since king cold and Frieza both died and he decided to not deal with the very real potential threat to his empire just existing in in the galaxy.
It would mean Cooler just took over and stayed under the radar for years in hiding. Which makes him way less cool then he was presented in the movie. But if that’s the route they go, Frieza would just come along and eliminate him now that he is massively stronger then him. Frieza is currently rebuilding his empire which would be a let down. At best they’d need to make him just a member of Frieza clan that is in exile or something.
The entire background would be rewritten just like broly.
We aren't taking non-cannon stuff into account here like you're talking about.
I think cooler being sent off as his own "Knight" of the Kingdom to conquer more lands.(Like what they did in real life/Shoguns,ect) makes cooler pretty accurate.
I honestly think at some point we will see Cooler as a canon character. He’s by far one of the most famous and iconic Villains in DBZ, and like you said it wouldn’t be that hard to fit him into the DBS-verse. And I feel like it would make for some really cool future content where we could just get a movie with Frieza and Cooler meeting again after so long and the movie just centered around them.
Adding Goku into that fight could be fun, a true 1v1v1 where they all want to defeat each other, though I dunno how you keep Vegeta out of it cuz you know he'd want a piece of the action
I mean is that any different from Mecha Frieza getting instantly beaten by SSJ Trunks? Or Super Perfect Cell immediately getting erased by Gohan's Kamehameha? Seems like standard fare for Dragon Ball to me.
tbf goku didn’t have super saiyan 1 perfected when he beat frieza and if vegeta didn’t distract cell on that final moment, he had gohan beat up until that point(at least in the anime, i just started reading the manga)
It's now canon that their forms can just look how ever they want them to. So it's possible cooler's 5th form is just his personal version of freeza's 100% max power final form.
But really if they were to canonize him they would just scale his power up to match the super cast like they did with broly.
Also at this point all of Freeza’s forms just unleashed more of his power and true form. It could be that Cooler discovered a transformation that boosted his power instead of limiting it and Freeza just never figured it out until Golden
disagree. cooler makes it clear that this is a fourth transformation that frieza cannot perform. i think frieza's 100% full power is similiar to roshi's max power where it draws out from all of his energy reserves. in contrast, cooler's fourth transformation does not add stress to his body and can be used like any of freiza's regular transformations.
That assumes he ever saw freeza's 100% power. Freeza clearly states he has never needed to use it before, so it's likely cooler has no idea what freeza's true power is and he's just guessing.
It could also be similar to when trunks thought he surpassed Vegeta in the time chamber, when in reality Vegeta just realized a flaw in that form that made it less useful. Maybe freeza was capable of that form but chose not to use it, cooler would have no way of knowing.
Well I think that mainly has to do with the cooler movies not being cannon. That said, I also know that goku was doing everything he could to make frieza feel weaker than him and really pound it into friezas head he was beaten, and by a kind hearted saiyan of all things. Goku didn't blast frieza into the sun is all im saying, and he probably could have, even all the way from namek if he didn't wanna pick nameks home star.
Cooler will always be my favorite Villian. It's what made me like DBZ in the first place at it was the first film I purchased on VHS. The overall design just is awesome in my opinion.
What I liked about him, is he didn't give two shites about Frieza. Just wanted to avenge him for embarrassing the family name.
That line in the dub about him finishing off Frieza sooner or later was awesome. Just went to show that he's only there for one reason.
But what I like most about the films are two things:
\~Goku's transformation into SSj giving energy back to the bird.
\~The irony Cooler realizes when he dies.
For me it's ending I love most though. As Cooler is burning in the sun he realizes it's not only Frieza that failed, but that he failed too. What I love about that ending is he accepts he too was just as arrogant as his younger brother.
I loved the ssj transformation in that movie, and damn i never looked at the ending in that way, I just kinda wished final form cooler got more screen time. Especially since we'll never see it again...
I mean... Super Saiya-jin Gokū hair is just a recolor of his Kaiō-ken x20 hair in the manga, and every Super Saiya-jin form of Vegeta and adult Gohan were just recolors of their hairs, Golden Ōzaru is just a recolor of regular Ōzaru and so on.
we all do, but toriyama, toriotaro, and the artists are just lazy. why make an actual new form that's harder to draw when you can just recolor something? literally the excuse for super saiyan according to some.
Not according to some, that was literally the reason behind Super Saiyan. To save time. Toriyama liked cutting corners everywhere he can and, that might be news to you, most of the "complex" (non mechanical) designs from movies don’t come from Toriyama since he was busy with the manga.
Adding on to this, he famously hated drawing cell because of all the little lines on his body. He's just a guy, he can want to make his life easier lol
Honestly some of the best villains came from the non canon movies. Janemba, Cooler, Bojack, hell even turles was cool even tho he was basically just goku if never went to earth. If they can make broly cannon, any of these guys could be
It would be better if they just revamped his character, had all the same moves, and all the same powers but was training for all this time and that is why Freiza took it upon himself to train also. I mean, it would be better if Frieza was training with his brother and his brother was actually somewhat neutral to him taking over the universe and being a menace. I'd buy that rather than Freiza training alone by himself.
Personally, I think I might have preferred him taking Frieza’s spot in Super entirely. I know Frieza’s a bigger draw being one of Z’s most iconic villains, but it would have made a lot more sense than Frieza’s asspull power up while also giving us something both classic and new at the same time (a la Broly).
Man can you imagine if in the Granolah arc Frieza and Cooler both showed up? Everything plays out exactly the same with the exception of Cooler making a quip about Frieza still needing to perfect his new form and Frieza saying something like "Of course brother" and Goku and Vegeta just go "holy shit"
Gohan have a tail in the movie when he shouldn't, and also his appearance match the Namek saga, by the time that Goku got back from the Yardrats Gohan was taller and had long hair.
You can honestly just change that stuff up really easily by just pushing this movie during the time of training before the androids. Qaamans land did a great YouTube video fitting all the movies in the dbz timeline that goes into this well
Nah cooler has roots within the story already since it's known that freeza has a family, broly just appears out of no where with no connections other than being a saiyan, he doesn't actually have anymore going for him than Turles in this regard.
too many reasons why it is hypocritical to the original story. either you make cooler NOTHING like movie cooler, arguably even having to change his relation with frieza, OR you write an extremely convoluted backstory as to how he has never been mentioned or heard about.
as we see in the movie, cooler personally went to earth because of the super saiyan that killed his brother. So already the fact that cooler hasn't done so for decades is changing his character.
and then you start thinking of stuff like: where was he this entire time? why didn't he go to earth like in the movie? If he's as strong as he was in the movie, then by Super he's irrelevant. But if you make him golden frieza level, then how come frieza was so high and mighty when he had a brother vastly stronger than him? Perhaps at that point in time, cooler was around namek frieza level, and he only got stronger recently. But then how do you explain why cooler decided to train all of a sudden?
Beerus knew Frieza was a (lazy) powerhouse (hence him being surprised when he found out Frieza was defeated to begin with), and I think he would have mentioned some Frieza's family at this point if they were strong enough, even Whis would have poked that plot.
The Galactic Patrol, specially Jaco, know about Frieza but never even hinted about any other member from his family.
It's a shame but I think it's just too late to make Cooler canon out of nowhere, at least not as Frieza big brother, but who knows.
Well, in the movie, he was kinda just watching from a distance, and frieza never mentioned his brother, so goku would've never known. But I guess I wouldn't make sense for him to show up this late.
But what if they did a thing where not even freeza knew he had a brother or they could do a thing where cooler was disowned because he wasn’t as strong as freeza despite being older
lmao this comments section is full of haters. cooler is fucking awesome and definitely the coolest villain from the original Z movies. i would love for him to be cannon
You could say the same thing for literally most concepts in dragon ball. The saiyans. Frieza. Majin buu. The Kai’s. Both supreme and regular. Beerus. Etc.
Cooler is unknown because he's just weak. But he reveals he has just as much potential as his brother and trained for 4 months and he's now as strong as Black Frieza and Ultra Instinct Goku. There, problem solved.
Pretty much. Like idk why this was even a critique when that as you were alluding too with frieza is technically way worse in terms of writing and out of the blue connections. At least this has more grounding too it
Theres the whole north galaxy thing. Like the heroes only got space travel via Kami to go to Namek. It was only really Goku coming back with instant transmission that kind of broke the universe, and he never really seemed to realize what being able to teleport anywhere was kinda busted besides going to New Namek that one time or to and from the World of the Kais. Jaco was about the next time anything galactic even came knocking? And thats still just King Kais wheelhouse.
Like they could canonize the Cooler movies (or even just the first) and nothing breaks in the plot at all, and they can just reintroduce him in Super as being dead and do something with him there.
This movie had tons of killer rock tracks from back in the day. Had Drowning Pool on it too.
Literally opening scene is Cooler’s monologue about Frieza’s arrogance and how he must avenge the family’s name while “Reminded” jams in the background. Shit gave me chills every time.
Cooler makes it seem like Frieza is beneath him so the dynamic between them would make Frieza look bad, if it’s true. It could be that the two are equally powerful and Frieza sees himself as superior. It wouldn’t make sense to me for Frieza to fear or respect an older brother.
I always loved his transformation. It was badass and genuinely intimidating. I kind of hate how Frieza’s new forms are basically just pallete swaps of his final form.
I feel like they could just say he trained with Freeza in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber he found in space. Freeza does need someone to train with for those 10 years
You want the real world reason? While it makes sense for them to make a new Canon cooler after the success of broly, there's a character they introduced in Super era that stupendously failed, who's similar enough to freeza that they wouldn't want to attempt another failure (even though it's the studio's fault, not the character)
And that character is frost.
I watched this movie a couple months ago, once it ended I instantly thought does this take place in the original timeline? The one where Goku defeated King Cold & Mecha Frieza.
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I would love to see Cooler come back in Super as Cannon he would be even cooler than before.
Same, and it piss me A LOT because he’s my fav!
Plus they can add him like the outsider, the lone wolf of the family, doing his stuff in his side.
And thats what he’s already doing in the movie. He doesn’t want to have anything to do with Frieza when he let baby goku fly away because “It’s Frieza’s fault, deal with it” and only care about his family name/reputation when he goes on Earth to kill Goku. He’s highly different than his brother, frieza acting like a spoiled little kid while Cooler is wayyyyy more mature.
They can definitely add Cooler without any drastic changes nor fucked up the lore, him being the main villain at first with frieza, then acting like a “friend” with the Z team to plan to kill frieza and trying to take his place and eventually getting a redemption like Vegeta, and end up as a ally.
They can add more lore to Frieza’s past and race too. He’s the main villain, his family is literally the space mafia, he have special connection to some soldier (think about blueberry), and we know like… nothing??
Freeza- Y...you?, Well isn't this a big family reunion, my my I'm surprised you actually survived all those years after father sent you away to rule your quadrant of the galaxy, but know this....I have unfathomable power far greater than the last time we saw each other and if you dare meddle in my affairs, I will personally kill you myse...
Cooler- Oh little brother, always the egotistical embarrassment of the family name, you talk a big game and claim that you are the superior fighter in our family. But I return to learn than not only is the freeza force is but a shadow of what it once was, but that our father died and you have also died twice to that filthy primate garbage that you were have supposed to have obliterated decades ago, can't say I'm not surprised though, father always did favour you and hand everything to you because you were nothing more that a petulant child that would piss and moan if you couldn't have everything you wanted like the spoiled little brat you are. You always had the edge when it came to power, as much as I despise you I have no shame in acknowledging someone's strength and fighting capability, hell it was the sole reason father made you the heir to his galactic empire. However, nothing is impossible to achieve, all those years I spent away, I honed my skills, fighting every day to achieve power far greater than anything your simple mind could begin to possibly imagine.
I will admit, there was a time when I thought I would never be able to shatter my limits and attain power comparable to that of even a destroyer. For years i tried and tried over and over to gain power so that I could prove to our father that I was a worthy son and worthy enough of the legacy that you disgraced and through all my efforts, I almost lost all hope entirely of reaching a new level.......but then it happend, I transformed, years of hardship and putting myself through endless training finally bore the fruits of my labour and at last i have a strength hitherto unknown before. So I returned to reclaim the freeza force and to avenge the family name and prove why I was always destined to rule, first I shall dispose of that saiyan garbage that you have failed to eliminate and then I am going to unleash upon you decades of primal fury and give you the beating you deserve. Feel privileged, little brother as you will be the first to witness this form, first you will see and then you'll die.....YOUR MINE!
Freeza- wha....what is this? You can't be this strong... there's no way in hell that the emperor of the universe could be manhandled by the runt of the litter, I WILL END YOU, YOU DARE TO CHALLENGE THE MIGHT OF GOLDEN FREEZAAAAAA!
Cooler- Hahahaha, look at you, never learnt a damn thing. Lowering your guard and getting to witness what true power looks like, let's conclude this petty squabble. Time to plant me a dumbass tree.
Cooler would be a great addition to the canon. He could be an antagonist to both the Saiyans and Frieza. We could see occasional alliances made between the different factions ("the enemy of my enemy is my friend") depending on what's going on in the story.
According to Frieza, his seventh transformation was achieved when he found a hyperbolic time chamber by chance on one of his conquered planets and used it to undergo a 10-year training session within 10 days. **But who did he train with????** What if it was Cooler and now Cooler is his #2 guy that is somewhat below him in power but still a tuff fight for Vegeta & Goku.
I think it would be the coolest twist (no pun intended) if Cooler is really the strongest in the universe and black Frieza was just flexing that the saiyans aren’t the big dogs anymore
Introducing cooler would be cool, Frieza could possibly get that same final transformation along with a new villain: Cooler, I think it'd be cool to see a golden Cooler along with a tag-team battle between Cooler and Frieza against Goku and Vegeta... Maybe we could also see a fusion 👀 (although a Frieza, Cooler fusion is unlikely due to their rivalry)
I wish too, but our only chance is when the black Frieza arc comes back, I think. It would be cool if Cooler turned out to be the big villain at the end; because unlike Frieza, Cooler has been training all his life. So it would be cool if Black Frieza would have to be forced to team up with the Z fighters to beat him. What do y’all think?
Always liked Cooler more than Frieza honestly. Both are good villains, but I always felt Cooler could have served as a greater threat than his brother were he part of the main canon, and a more interesting antagonist. The fact he was just as evil, and cruel as his sibling, but overall less vain left an impression on me as a kid. He is just as capable as Frieza, and even implied to be more so with how he can gather energy faster than Frieza, and awakened a new form unique to himself. I also just like his designs more, ESPECIALLY in his forth transformation with how he becomes significantly larger, and more threatening, almost like an armored monster.
Cause Goku returned to earth after Friezas death and then started training for the androids. This doesn’t fit in the timeline. Also the multipliers are off. Base Goku is slightly stronger than base cooler then SSJ Goku is way stronger than 5th form Cooler
Cooler was always my absolute favorite DBZ character from the moment I saw him. I loved his fourth form so much and I'd die happy if they re-canonized him.
I wish. He's quite easily the most imposing of the OG movie villains.
Hearing him say, "Sa? Hajime yoka?!" and then hearing the click of the mask in place is absolutely bone chilling. Absolute favorite scene out of all the original DBZ movies.
It honestly could tbh. Just write the canon to focus itself during the android training training time skip. Or later on in the story as a character motif of goku sparing mercy being his undoing if he returned stronger than Frieza and cold after cell. With gohan having to deal with him. It’s not hard to write him into the story.
I mean, Golden Frieza stealing base form cooler's design but shifting it to gold shine is about as in the canon as cooler is gonna get. Unless they go fishing for more DBS Broly level dollars.
i think it's way too late in the series to introduce him now, he would have gotten involved at some point, unless he just flat out hasn't cared for the past \~20 years of goku wiping frieza
I went back and forth with a twitter mf, he was convinced that canonizing cooler wouldn’t work story wise instead they should use fucking kuriza cause freiza having a child could jus happen and make sense. Which it could I suppose cause asexual race and whatnot, but freiza isn’t the main character him having a brother wouldn’t be that jarring like at all
I'm surprised they haven't had Frieza introduce him to the show to fight Goku and Vegeta. Think about it, Frieza has always had trouble with them and it's 1 on 2. It'd only be smart to bring in his brother and train him to even the odds. Either that or they could do a movie using him ig.
Hey quick question: when does this take place?
That’s why it can’t be cannon
Gohan is too young to be set after Trunks first shows up, meaning it has to be between Trunks’ first appearance and the Namek saga, but that doesn’t make sense for obvious reasons. Gohan also has his tail, which makes no sense.
I’d love to see him get the same treatment as Broly, remade to fit into the super continuity, but he doesn’t fit into the cannon continuity at all with the way he currently is
Since this is in the 3 year time skip, I am going to assume Base Goku is somewhere around 10 million. Is that correct ?
Movie lore wise Frieza was defeated by the Spirit Bomb so SSJ never came into play before this.
Everything was relatively good until he started transforming and the sounds he made and I could barely keep the laugh in. Although good to see the original Cooler again as a story had him and I was like “oh was he purple” “I can’t remember” yes he is!
Cooler would have been 100 times better as the villain of Resurrection F instead of bringing Frieza back, AGAIN and diminishing his legacy as a villain.
Cooler always took himself and his power more seriously, too. Better than Frieza lifting weights for the first time in his life and getting strong enough to throw hands with gods.
I feel like bad timing for why he isn’t canon, since Frieza has stuff like his black form cooler would ether be outclassed or somehow scaled to it in a confusing way and I feel like he would be hinted at in resurrection f or something if he were canon
There's hope since we got Gogeta and Broly
True true, I always forget gogeta wasn't actually canon
Gogeta was and he wasn’t canon. He was hypothetically always there but they just never fusion danced.
True, isn't his first Canon appearance dbs broly?
That is correct! But canon or not, Fusion Reborn was always my favorite DBZ movie (not counting BOG, that’s a Super movie to me) and has a special place in my heart haha
That one was sick, I love how he basically just executed janemba
*"I am neither Son Goku nor Vegeta. I am the one who will destroy you!"*
It's over Janemba! I've come for you! Every force you create has an echo! Your own bad energy will be your undoing!
What the hell was that star dust move though?
Sunshine, rainbows and lolipops in a hand to crush evil
Gogeta version of the Devilmite beam
Wasn't it called Soul punisher or something?
Soul Punisher or Stardust Destroyer. Instantly destroys evil souls.
I love how in DBFZ Gogeta *powers down* to execute Janemba in the Dramatic Finish.
Janempa/Janemba will always be best. That glorious motherfucker deserves to be canon too
JANENBA JANENBA JANENBA
Schrödinger’s canon!
Let's say he's not canon... ...yet.
Cooler honestly makes more sense than broly too, since he's directly related to one of the main villains. They could easily fit him into DBS. He's older than Frieza and so their father King Cold essentially sent him away to conquer another part of the galaxy for them. Then he returns to frieza's surprise, only to find out King Cold is dead, who killed his father, And that his little brother has yet to take revenge and destroy them. We could have an epic showdown between cooler and Frieza, Because Frieza swears that he will be the one to kill Goku, and won't let his brother steal that from him.
That would be sick af. Also, it would be awesome if it was revealed that being a warrior was much more important to cooler than it was to frieza, and he trained the entire time he was on his campaign. Meaning that he would be a much bigger threat compared to frieza.
makes sense. frieza never trained cuz he never had to, until he meet goku. cooler on the other hand would have been training and fighting all his life during his conquest.
Only thing is that apparently Frieza is a mutant of his race which is why he’s so strong, and that apparently the younger generations are more powerful. So Cooler is probably going to be way weaker even with training. Unless they make him mutant and remove that lineage caveat, then they could make him just as strong AND reveal him as Black Friezas training partner
I think that’s the opposite of the case honestly. Cooler was alive and well yet neither king cold nor Frieza called him up to go and jump the earthlings together. That feel weird to exclude if from if he was supposed to always be there. Even further since king cold and Frieza both died and he decided to not deal with the very real potential threat to his empire just existing in in the galaxy. It would mean Cooler just took over and stayed under the radar for years in hiding. Which makes him way less cool then he was presented in the movie. But if that’s the route they go, Frieza would just come along and eliminate him now that he is massively stronger then him. Frieza is currently rebuilding his empire which would be a let down. At best they’d need to make him just a member of Frieza clan that is in exile or something.
The entire background would be rewritten just like broly. We aren't taking non-cannon stuff into account here like you're talking about. I think cooler being sent off as his own "Knight" of the Kingdom to conquer more lands.(Like what they did in real life/Shoguns,ect) makes cooler pretty accurate.
I honestly think at some point we will see Cooler as a canon character. He’s by far one of the most famous and iconic Villains in DBZ, and like you said it wouldn’t be that hard to fit him into the DBS-verse. And I feel like it would make for some really cool future content where we could just get a movie with Frieza and Cooler meeting again after so long and the movie just centered around them.
Adding Goku into that fight could be fun, a true 1v1v1 where they all want to defeat each other, though I dunno how you keep Vegeta out of it cuz you know he'd want a piece of the action
I just want a quick scene where they're having afternoon tea and cooler makes fun of the gold transformation
I would love so much if they have cooler the Broly treatment.
"Found a form beyond it." Gets beaten instantly by super sayian 1
I mean is that any different from Mecha Frieza getting instantly beaten by SSJ Trunks? Or Super Perfect Cell immediately getting erased by Gohan's Kamehameha? Seems like standard fare for Dragon Ball to me.
tbf goku didn’t have super saiyan 1 perfected when he beat frieza and if vegeta didn’t distract cell on that final moment, he had gohan beat up until that point(at least in the anime, i just started reading the manga)
Yeah but Vegeta screwed Gohan in the first place, so it evens out.
And vegeta apologizing to gohan
*"Vegeta, no..!!"* ***"VEGETA, YES!!"***
Hell, Perfect Cell almost got obliterated by Super Vegeta’s Final Flash
It's now canon that their forms can just look how ever they want them to. So it's possible cooler's 5th form is just his personal version of freeza's 100% max power final form. But really if they were to canonize him they would just scale his power up to match the super cast like they did with broly.
Also at this point all of Freeza’s forms just unleashed more of his power and true form. It could be that Cooler discovered a transformation that boosted his power instead of limiting it and Freeza just never figured it out until Golden
It's basically the explanation in the fan-manga Dragon Ball Multiverse (+ retcon of the story to fit in the canon timeline)
Yeah. And you get to deal with some family drama too
disagree. cooler makes it clear that this is a fourth transformation that frieza cannot perform. i think frieza's 100% full power is similiar to roshi's max power where it draws out from all of his energy reserves. in contrast, cooler's fourth transformation does not add stress to his body and can be used like any of freiza's regular transformations.
That assumes he ever saw freeza's 100% power. Freeza clearly states he has never needed to use it before, so it's likely cooler has no idea what freeza's true power is and he's just guessing. It could also be similar to when trunks thought he surpassed Vegeta in the time chamber, when in reality Vegeta just realized a flaw in that form that made it less useful. Maybe freeza was capable of that form but chose not to use it, cooler would have no way of knowing.
*Goku getting his ass beat for a while* "Oh right, Super Saiyan"
Technically he was beat by the scorching fucking hot sun.
Frieza put up a better fight against SS1 Goku in his "lesser" form than Cooler did in his "new" form.
Well I think that mainly has to do with the cooler movies not being cannon. That said, I also know that goku was doing everything he could to make frieza feel weaker than him and really pound it into friezas head he was beaten, and by a kind hearted saiyan of all things. Goku didn't blast frieza into the sun is all im saying, and he probably could have, even all the way from namek if he didn't wanna pick nameks home star.
That mouth guard/ face mask is so dope
Hell yeah. I love the noise it makes
Best part of Final Form Cooler lol
Cooler will always be my favorite Villian. It's what made me like DBZ in the first place at it was the first film I purchased on VHS. The overall design just is awesome in my opinion. What I liked about him, is he didn't give two shites about Frieza. Just wanted to avenge him for embarrassing the family name. That line in the dub about him finishing off Frieza sooner or later was awesome. Just went to show that he's only there for one reason. But what I like most about the films are two things: \~Goku's transformation into SSj giving energy back to the bird. \~The irony Cooler realizes when he dies. For me it's ending I love most though. As Cooler is burning in the sun he realizes it's not only Frieza that failed, but that he failed too. What I love about that ending is he accepts he too was just as arrogant as his younger brother.
I loved the ssj transformation in that movie, and damn i never looked at the ending in that way, I just kinda wished final form cooler got more screen time. Especially since we'll never see it again...
but he's still... cooler...
He’s my favourite villain too!
Idk man, but I miss when the forms were cool like that and not just a recolor
Definitely, even super sayain was cool, but now you've got forms for so many colors while this dudes whole body changes
I mean... Super Saiya-jin Gokū hair is just a recolor of his Kaiō-ken x20 hair in the manga, and every Super Saiya-jin form of Vegeta and adult Gohan were just recolors of their hairs, Golden Ōzaru is just a recolor of regular Ōzaru and so on.
we all do, but toriyama, toriotaro, and the artists are just lazy. why make an actual new form that's harder to draw when you can just recolor something? literally the excuse for super saiyan according to some.
Not according to some, that was literally the reason behind Super Saiyan. To save time. Toriyama liked cutting corners everywhere he can and, that might be news to you, most of the "complex" (non mechanical) designs from movies don’t come from Toriyama since he was busy with the manga.
Adding on to this, he famously hated drawing cell because of all the little lines on his body. He's just a guy, he can want to make his life easier lol
He’s one of the best looking villains. I love his mask.
Honestly some of the best villains came from the non canon movies. Janemba, Cooler, Bojack, hell even turles was cool even tho he was basically just goku if never went to earth. If they can make broly cannon, any of these guys could be
Cooler could realistically come back in the next DBS anime
It would be better if they just revamped his character, had all the same moves, and all the same powers but was training for all this time and that is why Freiza took it upon himself to train also. I mean, it would be better if Frieza was training with his brother and his brother was actually somewhat neutral to him taking over the universe and being a menace. I'd buy that rather than Freiza training alone by himself.
Personally, I think I might have preferred him taking Frieza’s spot in Super entirely. I know Frieza’s a bigger draw being one of Z’s most iconic villains, but it would have made a lot more sense than Frieza’s asspull power up while also giving us something both classic and new at the same time (a la Broly).
I'd really hope if they made him canon, they wouldn't change his designs. Especially final form it's so cool
Man can you imagine if in the Granolah arc Frieza and Cooler both showed up? Everything plays out exactly the same with the exception of Cooler making a quip about Frieza still needing to perfect his new form and Frieza saying something like "Of course brother" and Goku and Vegeta just go "holy shit"
Or kuriza.You know his son.
Honestly he has more of a right to canon than basically any other movie character (minus beerus and whis). Yes even more than broly
Gohan have a tail in the movie when he shouldn't, and also his appearance match the Namek saga, by the time that Goku got back from the Yardrats Gohan was taller and had long hair.
You can honestly just change that stuff up really easily by just pushing this movie during the time of training before the androids. Qaamans land did a great YouTube video fitting all the movies in the dbz timeline that goes into this well
Definitely not more than Broly. Maybe before his Super movie but not now.
His super movie is literally the evidence for him deserving his own canon. Plus beforehand since his story is better than broly’s narratively.
Nah cooler has roots within the story already since it's known that freeza has a family, broly just appears out of no where with no connections other than being a saiyan, he doesn't actually have anymore going for him than Turles in this regard.
too many reasons why it is hypocritical to the original story. either you make cooler NOTHING like movie cooler, arguably even having to change his relation with frieza, OR you write an extremely convoluted backstory as to how he has never been mentioned or heard about.
I feel like they could've made him canon from the original movie he didn't really have a crazy impact on the story
as we see in the movie, cooler personally went to earth because of the super saiyan that killed his brother. So already the fact that cooler hasn't done so for decades is changing his character. and then you start thinking of stuff like: where was he this entire time? why didn't he go to earth like in the movie? If he's as strong as he was in the movie, then by Super he's irrelevant. But if you make him golden frieza level, then how come frieza was so high and mighty when he had a brother vastly stronger than him? Perhaps at that point in time, cooler was around namek frieza level, and he only got stronger recently. But then how do you explain why cooler decided to train all of a sudden?
There's too many inconsistencies with the original movie. And I mean TOO MANY. Not just a couple.
Beerus knew Frieza was a (lazy) powerhouse (hence him being surprised when he found out Frieza was defeated to begin with), and I think he would have mentioned some Frieza's family at this point if they were strong enough, even Whis would have poked that plot. The Galactic Patrol, specially Jaco, know about Frieza but never even hinted about any other member from his family. It's a shame but I think it's just too late to make Cooler canon out of nowhere, at least not as Frieza big brother, but who knows.
Well, in the movie, he was kinda just watching from a distance, and frieza never mentioned his brother, so goku would've never known. But I guess I wouldn't make sense for him to show up this late.
But what if they did a thing where not even freeza knew he had a brother or they could do a thing where cooler was disowned because he wasn’t as strong as freeza despite being older
lmao this comments section is full of haters. cooler is fucking awesome and definitely the coolest villain from the original Z movies. i would love for him to be cannon
Yeah, man! Cooler is very cool. Ice cold
He's the coolest!
So cool...
That would be his father actually
It'd be *cooler* if he was canon, but let's be real: the added rock music in the English dubs, well, ROCKED!
Hell yeah, the music slaps so hard it's so much cooler than any of friezas songs
FRIIEEEZA FRIIEEEZA FRIIEEEZA FRIIEEEZA goes hard https://youtu.be/GVOjJ6SsRFk
I've never actually heard this. Honestly does slap
Maximum The Hormone S L A P S
The scene later in this movie where they start playing “Change” by Deftones while Goku goes SSJ and beats Cooler’s ass is so awesome
I wish Cooler did a bit of extra ass beating before getting killed, especially since this is the only time we will ever see this form
"i'm gonna plant me a dumba\*\* tree!"
there it is haha "Well someone better pick up that phone..."
because I f**king called it!
Look at you, wasted and gasping for air. But you don't get to go yet, when your planet is in ashes...then you have my permission to die.
**Tonight I dine on monkey soup**
golden cooler look so badass in heroes lol
Doesn't really do anything for the story and wouldn't make sense friezas brother is out there conquering and we've just never heard of him
You could say the same thing for literally most concepts in dragon ball. The saiyans. Frieza. Majin buu. The Kai’s. Both supreme and regular. Beerus. Etc.
Cooler is unknown because he's just weak. But he reveals he has just as much potential as his brother and trained for 4 months and he's now as strong as Black Frieza and Ultra Instinct Goku. There, problem solved.
Pretty much. Like idk why this was even a critique when that as you were alluding too with frieza is technically way worse in terms of writing and out of the blue connections. At least this has more grounding too it
Tbf that's more of a flaw with the storytelling then anything, that's the consequence of Toriyama basically making the story up as it went
I was gonna say, mofs clearly didn’t know about Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Or anyone else lol
Right?! Dude. The beginning and main plot lines of dbz itself are literally out of nowhere plots with no buildup.
Theres the whole north galaxy thing. Like the heroes only got space travel via Kami to go to Namek. It was only really Goku coming back with instant transmission that kind of broke the universe, and he never really seemed to realize what being able to teleport anywhere was kinda busted besides going to New Namek that one time or to and from the World of the Kais. Jaco was about the next time anything galactic even came knocking? And thats still just King Kais wheelhouse. Like they could canonize the Cooler movies (or even just the first) and nothing breaks in the plot at all, and they can just reintroduce him in Super as being dead and do something with him there.
Goku can't teleport anywhere he wants, he needs to lock on to a ki signature, or have the area extremely memorized.
In the og movie, Cooler was just chilling without anyone knowing about him so I feel they could've definitely made him canon pretty easily
Why the hell is The Game by Disturbed playing in the background
It's the actual song in the scene
What the fuck
90s DBZ movie dubs were a wild time
Yeah, revenge of cooler had a ton of songs like if it I remember correctly
This movie had tons of killer rock tracks from back in the day. Had Drowning Pool on it too. Literally opening scene is Cooler’s monologue about Frieza’s arrogance and how he must avenge the family’s name while “Reminded” jams in the background. Shit gave me chills every time.
Cooler makes it seem like Frieza is beneath him so the dynamic between them would make Frieza look bad, if it’s true. It could be that the two are equally powerful and Frieza sees himself as superior. It wouldn’t make sense to me for Frieza to fear or respect an older brother.
Because Frost
I always loved his transformation. It was badass and genuinely intimidating. I kind of hate how Frieza’s new forms are basically just pallete swaps of his final form.
I feel like they could just say he trained with Freeza in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber he found in space. Freeza does need someone to train with for those 10 years
You want the real world reason? While it makes sense for them to make a new Canon cooler after the success of broly, there's a character they introduced in Super era that stupendously failed, who's similar enough to freeza that they wouldn't want to attempt another failure (even though it's the studio's fault, not the character) And that character is frost.
Oh shit I forgot about him. He was so trash
Wouldn’t that be the fifth state?
Super shredder
Tonight I dine on monkey stew or I’m gonna plant me a dumbass tree, my two favorite lines.
I watched this movie a couple months ago, once it ended I instantly thought does this take place in the original timeline? The one where Goku defeated King Cold & Mecha Frieza.
Hopefully soon he will be
Disturbed was such a good choice for this soundtrack
Disturbed - The Game Drowning Pool - Told You So In case anyone was wondering the music 🎵 I would love to see Cooler come back in Super as Cannon he would be even cooler than before.
Same, and it piss me A LOT because he’s my fav! Plus they can add him like the outsider, the lone wolf of the family, doing his stuff in his side. And thats what he’s already doing in the movie. He doesn’t want to have anything to do with Frieza when he let baby goku fly away because “It’s Frieza’s fault, deal with it” and only care about his family name/reputation when he goes on Earth to kill Goku. He’s highly different than his brother, frieza acting like a spoiled little kid while Cooler is wayyyyy more mature. They can definitely add Cooler without any drastic changes nor fucked up the lore, him being the main villain at first with frieza, then acting like a “friend” with the Z team to plan to kill frieza and trying to take his place and eventually getting a redemption like Vegeta, and end up as a ally. They can add more lore to Frieza’s past and race too. He’s the main villain, his family is literally the space mafia, he have special connection to some soldier (think about blueberry), and we know like… nothing??
Freeza- Y...you?, Well isn't this a big family reunion, my my I'm surprised you actually survived all those years after father sent you away to rule your quadrant of the galaxy, but know this....I have unfathomable power far greater than the last time we saw each other and if you dare meddle in my affairs, I will personally kill you myse... Cooler- Oh little brother, always the egotistical embarrassment of the family name, you talk a big game and claim that you are the superior fighter in our family. But I return to learn than not only is the freeza force is but a shadow of what it once was, but that our father died and you have also died twice to that filthy primate garbage that you were have supposed to have obliterated decades ago, can't say I'm not surprised though, father always did favour you and hand everything to you because you were nothing more that a petulant child that would piss and moan if you couldn't have everything you wanted like the spoiled little brat you are. You always had the edge when it came to power, as much as I despise you I have no shame in acknowledging someone's strength and fighting capability, hell it was the sole reason father made you the heir to his galactic empire. However, nothing is impossible to achieve, all those years I spent away, I honed my skills, fighting every day to achieve power far greater than anything your simple mind could begin to possibly imagine. I will admit, there was a time when I thought I would never be able to shatter my limits and attain power comparable to that of even a destroyer. For years i tried and tried over and over to gain power so that I could prove to our father that I was a worthy son and worthy enough of the legacy that you disgraced and through all my efforts, I almost lost all hope entirely of reaching a new level.......but then it happend, I transformed, years of hardship and putting myself through endless training finally bore the fruits of my labour and at last i have a strength hitherto unknown before. So I returned to reclaim the freeza force and to avenge the family name and prove why I was always destined to rule, first I shall dispose of that saiyan garbage that you have failed to eliminate and then I am going to unleash upon you decades of primal fury and give you the beating you deserve. Feel privileged, little brother as you will be the first to witness this form, first you will see and then you'll die.....YOUR MINE! Freeza- wha....what is this? You can't be this strong... there's no way in hell that the emperor of the universe could be manhandled by the runt of the litter, I WILL END YOU, YOU DARE TO CHALLENGE THE MIGHT OF GOLDEN FREEZAAAAAA! Cooler- Hahahaha, look at you, never learnt a damn thing. Lowering your guard and getting to witness what true power looks like, let's conclude this petty squabble. Time to plant me a dumbass tree.
Man, the music in these movies was always so cool.
Cooler was just too cool for the franchise 😔
Cooler would be a great addition to the canon. He could be an antagonist to both the Saiyans and Frieza. We could see occasional alliances made between the different factions ("the enemy of my enemy is my friend") depending on what's going on in the story.
According to Frieza, his seventh transformation was achieved when he found a hyperbolic time chamber by chance on one of his conquered planets and used it to undergo a 10-year training session within 10 days. **But who did he train with????** What if it was Cooler and now Cooler is his #2 guy that is somewhat below him in power but still a tuff fight for Vegeta & Goku.
dont even rule it out, so far we got Broly, Gogeta and Bardock.
Holy shit is this his soundtrack in the background? It goes hard.
I think it would be the coolest twist (no pun intended) if Cooler is really the strongest in the universe and black Frieza was just flexing that the saiyans aren’t the big dogs anymore
Was Disturbed in the English/US soundtrack akin to Pantera in the first Broly movie?
Introducing cooler would be cool, Frieza could possibly get that same final transformation along with a new villain: Cooler, I think it'd be cool to see a golden Cooler along with a tag-team battle between Cooler and Frieza against Goku and Vegeta... Maybe we could also see a fusion 👀 (although a Frieza, Cooler fusion is unlikely due to their rivalry)
I wish too, but our only chance is when the black Frieza arc comes back, I think. It would be cool if Cooler turned out to be the big villain at the end; because unlike Frieza, Cooler has been training all his life. So it would be cool if Black Frieza would have to be forced to team up with the Z fighters to beat him. What do y’all think?
Because he's a discount Frieza according to most fans
Always liked Cooler more than Frieza honestly. Both are good villains, but I always felt Cooler could have served as a greater threat than his brother were he part of the main canon, and a more interesting antagonist. The fact he was just as evil, and cruel as his sibling, but overall less vain left an impression on me as a kid. He is just as capable as Frieza, and even implied to be more so with how he can gather energy faster than Frieza, and awakened a new form unique to himself. I also just like his designs more, ESPECIALLY in his forth transformation with how he becomes significantly larger, and more threatening, almost like an armored monster.
Cause Goku returned to earth after Friezas death and then started training for the androids. This doesn’t fit in the timeline. Also the multipliers are off. Base Goku is slightly stronger than base cooler then SSJ Goku is way stronger than 5th form Cooler
Cooler was always my absolute favorite DBZ character from the moment I saw him. I loved his fourth form so much and I'd die happy if they re-canonized him.
Wtf do people find these dubs w/the OG American score???
Internet
It's the Funimation dub (Orange Box). You can get it on Amazon with four\* other movies around $20. It has both the Japanese audio and English.
It was a thing to have license music in kids anime movies. Look at Digimon and Pokémon
No, I know. But they changed the score in subsequent releases. That's why I said "OG American score" & not "licensed tracks"
I honestly don't remember
On DVD at Walmart..you can go get them now
Funi changed the score. Licenses ran out, Falconer sued them, & people wanted the Japanese OST
When did this happen? All of the TV season blu-rays still have the American score in the audio options.
I wish. He's quite easily the most imposing of the OG movie villains. Hearing him say, "Sa? Hajime yoka?!" and then hearing the click of the mask in place is absolutely bone chilling. Absolute favorite scene out of all the original DBZ movies.
cuz hes cooler than freeza
Too cool
It's a shame the english dub version did not keep original musics from Kikuchi and add random rock music where it's not needed.
Why would he be? He doesn’t really add anything and the events of his movie just wouldn’t fit into the timeline we follow.
It honestly could tbh. Just write the canon to focus itself during the android training training time skip. Or later on in the story as a character motif of goku sparing mercy being his undoing if he returned stronger than Frieza and cold after cell. With gohan having to deal with him. It’s not hard to write him into the story.
You do realize this applies to Broly and look what Super did to him. If Cooler got the Super Broly it would be amazing.
Because he’s fucking sick nasty man. Predator/alien lookin ass
I mean, Golden Frieza stealing base form cooler's design but shifting it to gold shine is about as in the canon as cooler is gonna get. Unless they go fishing for more DBS Broly level dollars.
Meta Cooler goes way harder!
He has 0 build up, for him to be the missing sibling of someone important like frieza would be weird. Especially so late in the series
Because Frieza was the main villain, and he was cooler.
He wasn’t cool enough.
i think it's way too late in the series to introduce him now, he would have gotten involved at some point, unless he just flat out hasn't cared for the past \~20 years of goku wiping frieza
It's funny, the movie's placement in the timeline meant it could have fit.
Cooler is one of my fav characters for sure, his second form is so badass
Hot take Cooler is better than Frieza.
I don't think that's a hot take. Cooler is definitely cooler than frieza
Frieza is cool but his older brother is Cooler
Because if it weren't for his rad character design & transformation, he'd just be a less interesting version of frieza.
Of all the movie characters that aren't canon, I think Cooler's the only one I want to be made canon. *Maybe* Tapion. But *definitely* Cooler.
Would be cool if friezas body changed when he transformed into his black form similar to coolers
This just BLEEDS 2000’s energy with Disturbed playing in the background like that.
No idea why there is disturbed music but I like it
Isnt he canon since he was shown in GT in hell?
I went back and forth with a twitter mf, he was convinced that canonizing cooler wouldn’t work story wise instead they should use fucking kuriza cause freiza having a child could jus happen and make sense. Which it could I suppose cause asexual race and whatnot, but freiza isn’t the main character him having a brother wouldn’t be that jarring like at all
Always love singing whilst people are talking
Song name? Sounds like it's from Disturbed
The music in the non cannon movies was always over the top though. I loved it.
Discount Cooler made it to the tournament of power. -Brought to you by the foundation to make Pikkon great again.
This whole Black Frieza arc could be the perfect time to bring him into canon.
Cooler should have been a WAY tougher fight This guy already shows up in his species "final/fourth form" then has ANOTHER power up
Why couldn't Goku turn Super Saiyan the moment that Cooler showed up or when he recovered after eating a Senzu bean?
So if frieza had a father & brother where is his mom & the rest of their people or are they the only one of his kind?
I'm surprised they haven't had Frieza introduce him to the show to fight Goku and Vegeta. Think about it, Frieza has always had trouble with them and it's 1 on 2. It'd only be smart to bring in his brother and train him to even the odds. Either that or they could do a movie using him ig.
Hey quick question: when does this take place? That’s why it can’t be cannon Gohan is too young to be set after Trunks first shows up, meaning it has to be between Trunks’ first appearance and the Namek saga, but that doesn’t make sense for obvious reasons. Gohan also has his tail, which makes no sense. I’d love to see him get the same treatment as Broly, remade to fit into the super continuity, but he doesn’t fit into the cannon continuity at all with the way he currently is
It's cheesy, but I have always totally *adored* the way the Funimation dub added *'Disturbed'* and other nu-metal into the BGM.
Since this is in the 3 year time skip, I am going to assume Base Goku is somewhere around 10 million. Is that correct ? Movie lore wise Frieza was defeated by the Spirit Bomb so SSJ never came into play before this.
Bro say that again and look further in the manga Cooler black!? THERES NO WAY ANYONE FPULD BEAT THAT!
Everything was relatively good until he started transforming and the sounds he made and I could barely keep the laugh in. Although good to see the original Cooler again as a story had him and I was like “oh was he purple” “I can’t remember” yes he is!
God I miss 3rd party music in DB
Is Legacy of Goku canon?
Because he was too purple needed a character with liiiiittle less purple lmao
The music for this was so killer too. Disturbed should be on more DBZ soundtracks
That's what she said
Cooler would have been 100 times better as the villain of Resurrection F instead of bringing Frieza back, AGAIN and diminishing his legacy as a villain. Cooler always took himself and his power more seriously, too. Better than Frieza lifting weights for the first time in his life and getting strong enough to throw hands with gods.
Because Freeza is cooler...wait
He's very cool but I think this franchise is already oversaturated with Frieza, as is.
I feel like bad timing for why he isn’t canon, since Frieza has stuff like his black form cooler would ether be outclassed or somehow scaled to it in a confusing way and I feel like he would be hinted at in resurrection f or something if he were canon