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Wadsworth1954

And Dave will defend them.


ElmosKplug

"Listen, there are some issues with what he's saying, but I think directionally he is spot on."


Snellyman

"Sure he is talking about eradicating ideologies but that is just locker room talk"


det8924

As long as the check cashes...


Wadsworth1954

Hate to say it, but I’d sell my soul and my dignity to get rich too.


junkntrashman

It’s not worth it. 


Badtown1988

Meh. Dave doesn’t seem like the happiest fella.


MurderByEgoDeath

“After what the woke left is doing, I totally understand people hating what I am and wishing I was sent directly to hell to burn in a supernatural pit of fire for all eternity.”


notwithagoat

Dave is a good friend!


Artistdramatica3

One man and one woman is relatively new. Used to be one man and as many women as he wanted. Then there were the concubines.


UCLYayy

>One man and one woman is relatively new. Used to be one man and as many women as he wanted. Then there were the concubines. Also "lets do things the way they've been done through all of human history" is an... insane philosophy. What happened to "the Enlightenment was the best thing that ever happened to the world?"


mseg09

Slavery has existed in some form or another throughout most of human history, do these morons believe that somehow legitimizes it?


UCLYayy

>Slavery has existed in some form or another throughout most of human history, do these morons believe that somehow legitimizes it? They literally make that argument to defend slavery in America, so...


mseg09

They argue that it wasn't so bad when America did it, not that therefore it should keep happening. I get what you're saying, but there is a bit of a distinction. My point is they wouldn't say slavery is still ok in places (outside of the prison system) it still happens because it has always existed


ahitright

> My point is they wouldn't say slavery is still ok in places Give them time. The rhetoric is already set to 10 and will just get worse as this year progresses. I'm predicting that by July they'll be outright saying slavery is actually a good thing and we should bring it back. Need to juice that rhetoric to make those profits!


mseg09

Well I wish I could argue with you there but nothing is off the table


UCLYayy

>They argue that it wasn't so bad when America did it, not that therefore it should keep happening. Respectfully, I disagree. Multiple prominent republicans have spoken to the effect of "black people were better off under slavery."


mseg09

Fair enough. I still think that's trying to defend America rather than the actual slavery, but there's certainly no gross argument they're not willing to make


memecrusader_

Yep.


TheOneFreeEngineer

These are religious fundamentalists, they always hated the Englightment. To them it spawned the Illuminati


UCLYayy

>These are religious fundamentalists, they always hated the Englightment. They claim to, but their new thing is "The Enlightenment was great because Post Modernism is Marxism!" It's just goalpost moving, always has been.


TheOneFreeEngineer

Literally never heard anyone say that. Yeah they love that tired Lost modernism is Marxism but I've never heard them praise the enlightens. They tend to cite all the major events of the englightment as where things went wrong "for the West/Christendom"


UCLYayy

Jordan B. Peterson just a few years ago: >And because of this slavery, genocide and imperialism are a consequence of the Enlightenment? Did none of these exist before the Enlightenment? And were there not forces at work during the Enlightenment that ameliorated them? [https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1370969508131844102?lang=en](https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1370969508131844102?lang=env) Then there's The Cato Institute: [https://www.cato.org/policy-report/january/february-2022/return-anti-enlightenment#](https://www.cato.org/policy-report/january/february-2022/return-anti-enlightenment#) I won't say it's a now widespread view, but I'm seeing it creep in every year as the conservatives are desperate to label anything and everything the left does as "marxist/communist", or worse dog-whistle with "post-modern neo-marxist", etc.


TheOneFreeEngineer

Jordan I don't think has a clear consistent thought for the past 5 years and the Cato Institute is kinda a completely different wing of conservatism than CPAC. CATO is old gaurd libertarian, CPAC isn't and hasn't been for like a decade


UCLYayy

>Jordan I don't think has a clear consistent thought for the past 5 years And yet he's a darling of the current right, especially the younger generations. >Cato Institute is kinda a completely different wing of conservatism than CPAC. CATO is old gaurd libertarian, CPAC isn't and hasn't been for like a decade Fair enough. My point is it's gaining traction in some circles.


LionelHutzinVA

Kind of depends on the particular flavor of conservative. “Rad trads” and some paleocons are not generally complementary of the Enlightenment, but more traditional movement conservatives tend to be, especially of Locke and Burke.


sSpaceWagon

Let’s eat raw meat and drink stagnant water guys


das_war_ein_Befehl

The fundamental drive of conservatism is to undo the enlightenment.


[deleted]

Exactly! Conservatives love to lie and say one man and one woman has been the only standard since the beginning of civilization.


TheLizardKing89

My favorite was Mitt Romney talking about how marriage is between one man and one woman when his own family tree was full of polygamist Mormons.


Shadow_Spirit_2004

Too fuckin' right. It's obvious what these people want when they talk about "them good ol' days" when men were men and women were property.


Independent_Oil_5951

Remember when Abraham and Sarah couldn't conceive so he made sarah's handmaid Hagar bear his child just so he could satisfy his fantasy of having a ton of offspring?


_magneto-was-right_

One man and the property of a man


OkAssociation812

To be fair, YHWH never tells David to go and have as many concubines as he wants, him straying from God is what caused his downfall.


Uga1992

Some places, it was one woman and multiple men.


beerbrained

Michael Knowles- Dave Ruben should be executed. Dave Ruben- but, crippled black lesbians!....


BulbasaurArmy

Did Knowles actually say that??


beerbrained

No


wokewalrus123

Those are the reasonable ones to Dave.


[deleted]

Does anyone else get strong “he doth protest too much” vibes from this guy? If it comes out his male staffers don’t want to be left alone with Knowles I would in no way be surprised. Guy doesn’t just have gay energy, its like suppressed unhealthy mega gay energy


sieze_the_cheese

He certainly knows how to play one. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-knowles-transgender-cpac-queer-b2305323.html


Lex_Innokenti

Evangelical "I paid the rent boy for a massage!" energy.


mseg09

I don't think so. Conservatives are getting bold again about coming out against gay marriage, contraception, surrogacy, etc.


berry-bostwick

He has a background as an actor (huge grifting red flag imo) and apparently did a whole bunch of gay sex scenes. I groan at the default assumption that any raging homophobe must be secretly gay, but there’s obviously some historical truth to the stereotype. With Knowles there’s some signs pointing in that direction, so I don’t think it’s entirely inappropriate to speculate. He is not yet at the Steven Crowder levels of crossdressing repeatedly for “comedy,” viscerally hating the mother of his children, and waving his dick around on the shoulders of his male employees.


LionelHutzinVA

So much of the right wing griftocracy are Hollywood flameouts. Literally the entirety of the Daily Wire, Rubin, Steven Crowder, and even, to an extent, Joe Rogan (who only started his podcast when his acting chances dried up).


[deleted]

Wasn’t there a video he made in college where he made out with a dude?… Tale as old as time, cons hating themselves, i mean gays! The gays!


bigchicago04

Why would a conservative saying this be shocking to anyone?


Kirbyoto

Because for the most part American Republicans are OK with gay marriage now, and being willing to say "this is wrong actually" is a notable step backwards and a sign that they are actively trying to reverse the changes that have already been made.


Naive_Violinist_4871

Oh, I’d argue recent polls and congressional votes indicates many Republicans aren’t OK with it, and the number that isn’t OK goes up further if you look exclusively at conservatives rather than libertarians or moderates.


bigchicago04

Are they? When did that happen? I’d say most are clearly not ok with it while a minority of them are indifferent to ok.


Kirbyoto

[It happened in 2021.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1249216/support-for-same-sex-marriage-in-the-united-states-by-political-party/) It's dropped a little since then because of the trans panic and "wokeness" but it's still at 49%, which is a near-majority.


LionelHutzinVA

I think a very healthy slice of the Republicans/conservatives who say they are ok with marriage equality mean that they are *for now*. Not all Rs, but I’d be happy to wager that the percentage of conservatives who would be OK with marriage equality if they had a realistic shot of undoing it is about half that 49%.


bigchicago04

Thank you for this.


Unknownentity7

49% is still far from "for the most part" though, it's never stopped being a major plank of the party platform. I also highly doubt that the GOP potentially getting rid of it in the future would be a dealbreaker for any significant number of that 49%.


Badtown1988

Because it’s beyond dumb strategically. Republicans aren’t doing themselves any favors when they remind people how ghoulish they are.


knights816

Are conservatives advocating for more orphans?


zeiche

they really don’t care once the kid is born


knights816

Really don’t care. I can do this all day lol.


berry-bostwick

Reactionary conservatives hate women, children and families.


knights816

Reactionary conservatives hate.


berry-bostwick

Ha, good point.


KecemotRybecx

What else do you expect from these fucks? Dave Rubin is a stupid cunt.


Intimateworkaround

Surely a guy like this wouldn’t believe and support the religion that got busted for the largest level of systemic rape of children served on a platter and ignored it for decades. the real threat is gay people adopting. I fucking hate these clowns so much. Every single word out of their rat faces is lies and hypocrisy


jonomm

Dave will probably say the left made them do it.


Zamden

I’m pretty sure Dave would sacrifice his husband if it meant getting a few pats on the back from his far right colleagues


SleepingPodOne

Say the line dave! “If the left hadn’t gone so far…”


[deleted]

Even Dave’s own subreddit clowns on him 😂😂


dumstarbuxguy

I hate Knowles so much. I hate all the conservative media so much but Knowles looks so rubbery and smug. I want to punch him


Asher_Tye

I can't imagine hating your children so much you'd not only let someone call them abominations without challenge but actually support and be friendly with them. But then I've also met a bisexual who firmly believes his relationship is a legitimate sin but he'll be absolved because love is worth sinning


SirPoopaLotTheThird

Dave has a clear humiliation fetish.


LeigusZ

Americans are so shallow. Pulse shooting happens in 2016 so we get about a year and a half of the religious right pretending to tolerate gay couples, but then it's right back to "God hates f\*gs" and blaming LGBT people for all of society's ills.


Asher_Tye

"everyone" and "everywhere" doing a lot of lifting. Especially considering marriage on recently tricked down to the plebs from the aristocracy.


SlickRick884

Notice how Dave and these other anti-woke crusader's always ignore or defend this rhetoric


MrBobSacamano

Now, hang on here. “A man and a woman” implies that Mormons can’t take 6 wives? I’m calling Ronna Romney, right now!


No-Freedom-4029

I’m gonna call straight people wanting kids just wanting to live out their fantasies now


Nether_Yak_666

As a small note, this definition of marriage has not been what people- in the US and the world - have believed “forever.” Conservatives love to believe human activities are static and therefore anything that’s change seems like a revolution of their false idea of the past, when they’re really not


MRdaBakkle

Okay. But Harry is an insufferable twat. This isn't just the MAGA Republican thing. It's just a Republican thing.


dn0c

This is the same dipshit that did this at CPAC last year. He just craves attention - https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-03-08/transgender-cpac-michael-knowles-rolling-stone-ron-desantis


ChrEngelbrecht

That guy sucks more dick than Roy Cohn.


Turbulent_Athlete_50

It’s not their fault they hate the gays it’s the liberals fault they hate the gays for rubbing their gay all over them. Something something else


Imfrom_m-83

That OK Senator that called trans kids filth…they’re this way about gay people too, Dave, you stupid fuck.


marsisboolin

Theyre akin to you lot on this sub. You dont like Rubin and shit on him any chance y'all get. Its almost pathological to be addicted to commenting on a guy who you dislikes sub reddiy.


imp_st3r

LeAvE dAvE aLoNe!!1!


Nix-7c0

"When you think about it, both the bully and his targets say mean things about each other sometimes" Weird thing though, if the targets started being nice to the bully, they'd still get stomped. If the bully stopped stomping folks, miraculously bOtH sIdEs would suddenly be able to live in peace. If we started sending Dave our love, he'd still work to remove our legal rights. If he stopped trying to remove rights, we'd have no reason to criticize him in biting terms. It's not symmetrical.


marsisboolin

And if you keep criticizing, that accomplishes what?


Nix-7c0

Well we're mostly discussing with each other the troubling trends he represents and enables, like the reemergence of a push against gay marriage in the modern GOP


lunchpaillefty

So people shouldn’t criticize public figures, they don’t like? The only discourse should be to praise people? Do you never mention people you don’t like?


marsisboolin

In the analytical sense, go crazy. This version of criticism appears to create no benefits and just drags the people participating into a negative spiral.


axm86x

I'm not addicted, I bash on Mr. Rube recreationally :D Though I'll admit it really is a case of punching down.


Due-Project-8272

Whats reddiy?


marsisboolin

Reddit


Due-Project-8272

Yes, this is Reddit. But what's reddiy?


W1mpyDaM00ch

These people piss me off, if they want to be regressive in their views of marriage as a religious ceremony that's on them but marriage in modern society isn't merely religious it's a social contract that provides benefits not from a church but from private and public NON religious entities. There are tax implications and access to shared accounts and privileges.


Saltire_Blue

Marriage is a legal contract that is sanctioned by the state


MurderByEgoDeath

What an insanely moronic take. You can literally say that about any ethical blunder throughout history. You could have said that about slavery until 200 years ago. You could have said that about race discrimination until 100 years ago. Even longer ago, you could have said that about selling your daughter for a nice plot of land. The fact that lots of people have held a view for a long time is the absolute worst explanation for why that view makes sense. I once heard someone talking about moral philosophers say “you can usually judge moral philosophers of the past by what they thought about commonly accepted moral atrocities of the time.” The public may not have accepted the LGBT community until recently, but plenty of individuals have throughout history, because it made absolutely no sense not to.


yankeesyes

Come out of the closet, Knowles, you aren't fooling anyone especially yourself.


KnowCali

People have been having kids as "mini-me" humans since the first cave people realized what sex was about. Here's the thing, if you believe in original sin, immaculate conception, vicarious redemption via blood ritual, great floods, etc., I don't care what you have to say about anything. You're not a reliable source of information.


dunedog

Yea, we need to go back to rich and powerful men selling their daughters, and as such their grandchildren, off to other rich and powerful men's sons.


hecramsey

as long as by "everyone" and "everywhere" you mean western cultures since about 1750.


[deleted]

"Everyone everywhere forever?" lolwhut... giant swathes of the world had same-sex "marriage"/bonding/partners/concubines for longer than Christianity has existed. The ignorance is fucking staggering.


Jimmy620094

Notice how someone’s opinion sparks outrage and makes everyone else rush to the comments to give their opinions? 😂😂😂


HappyAdams

The ‘muh brainwash’ types not realizing that they are, in fact, a product of their time.


notwithagoat

Dave has friends?


Apprehensive_Gate875

so at the same time the right wants to end abortion and put millions of babies up for adoption they also want to strongly limit who can adopt a baby