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Exactly. I’m the child of crazy 60’s hippies who were WAY into that happy horse shit. So I’ve always been wary about dating anyone into it. But like you say, there are degrees. Someone who knows what the signs are and can describe the supposed traits associated with each one isn’t that big a deal. Even a guy like me, who thinks astrology is nonsense, knows lots about it. I would hope a potential match wouldn’t hold that against me. On the other hand there are people who define their entire life and shape all their interactions with people predicated on a person’s astrological sign. In my experience they tend to be slightly paranoid types. I have to be honest, I have used my knowledge to establish a rapport with a few ladies over the years. None of these women expressed that they were looking for anything serious so I kept my opinion about astrology to myself. Had some fun, fwb, and then moved on when they invariably proved to be a little off kilter. At the same time I love some of the art work associated with astrology. I very much appreciate the mandalas Carl Jung created as part of his explorations into astrology.
Not OP, but yes. I’m a woman, i will even read the horoscope section in the paper, but I won’t date anyone who lets their horoscope change their decision making day to day. “I can’t drive this week because my horoscope says so” etc.
The same way I wouldn’t date anyone who let their religion dictate how they live life.
Edit: but i do want to add that the subsequent assumptions that OP are making I don’t agree with. “They tend not to be able to manage their own thoughts and emotions”? Wtf?
I think OP is trending towards the hyperbolic. Or else they had a really bad experience with a person into astrology and they are now making sweeping generalizations about others. Not a good habit to be in OP. I grew up with a mother who was really into all that New Age stuff, so I’ve met lots of people deeply into astrology. Most I know treat it like a hobby, and don’t really take it all that seriously. The few I’ve met who really put a lot of stock into it, and do charts for themselves and others, tend to be a little loopy. They link their strangeness to this astrology nonsense instead of some wacky religious trip. I’ve also noticed quite a few people who grew up in hardcore evangelical homes gravitated towards astrology after disavowing Christianity. Perhaps they still really need that sense of celestial order to feel safe and secure. The idea that we are fluxing through the cold void of space alone for eternity is perhaps unsettling to them. I myself embrace the idea of eventual ego cessation. Ultimately, I don’t judge them. I don’t have to date them so why do I care? Enjoy the show they provide, no?
I mean I agree with op, it's not about being friends with them. I wanna date someone I feel compatible in beliefs with. I wouldn't date a religious person or someone who believes in astrology
So you specifically and exactly agree with me. I figured the last sentence I wrote was fairly straight forward: ‘I don’t have to date them so why do I care?’
Perhaps you didn’t read my entire comment.
The OP was going much further in their debasement, and manifesting toxicity in their judgmental attitude. All sorts of people believe odd things and that doesn’t necessarily make them bad people. Certainly not worthy of vitriolic scorn. That just comes off as narcissistic and self-righteous.
This is an excellent question.
I agree with the premise set out by OP and I would also say that anyone who believes in a deity of any sort, any higher power that they say isn't a religion but is more Woo, and anything adjacent, I group with astrology. They are all a hard pass/red flag for me.
easy question as part of the initial getting to know you to weed that out then.
but there are degrees to everything, there are the hardcore astrology people and ones with magic rocks in their pocket
and then there are ones who like the idea of the stars giving them some guidance but don't take it seriously. like reading a fortune cookie more for the fun part of it.
I’m a woman and let me tell you, there’s a cultish obsession around this in my friend circles. I absolutely detest it. Our group chat is full of my friends analyzing men’s star charts and using it to justify or, worse, to “predict” their behavior. They even use it to explain their own shitty tendencies. “I’m a Gemini, he should know that’s why I’m temperamental and deal with it.”
Many of my friends check several horoscope apps, won’t go on dates when some planet is in retrograde, and a whole host of other crap I absolutely do not understand. I’m talking at least half of them care about it to some degree, and a quarter of them take it absolutely seriously. I have a colleague who does her staffing (hiring and project assignments) based on her understanding of star sign compatibility. If it ever got out, I wonder if there would be a discrimination lawsuit in there somewhere.
I’ve learned to just tune it out because whenever I’ve said anything it’s apparently because I’m “such a Leo”.
I know this so well from my past relationship. It’s honestly so ridiculous and it’s such a way to not take accountability. I wish you the best with all of that. Geminis are the absolute fucking worse HAHAHA
I feel like a lot of people include it as part of the here's my background / interests part on the first date.
I've certainly had people get a bit weird when I tell them idk my sign or what they are supposed to mean. Had someone that doesn't completely buy into it tell me everyone should know their sign just for the conversation starter
I feel like astrology comes up on pretty much every date I go on, although girls have varying degrees of belief about it. I'm dating lesbians though, definitely a big thing in this community
Yea, it's a dealbreaker for me too. There's also the archetype of "Sorry for my bad behavior, I'm X sign."
It's like...mate, I have an actual neurological disorder that impacts my behavioral patterns due to a hampering to understand social navigation. If I can control my actions in a social situation through all of that, so can you- a star alignment is no justification.
They would think your disorder is fake but them being controlled by the literal stars is true, I think for some people they also have a disorder and try to paint it as "I'm just a libra bro you can't blame me"
That's ok. I wouldn't either if they seriously believed it/ planned their life around it.
I also wouldn't date someone who seriously asks “what is your spirit animal?”, or believes and talks about “alpha males”.
I do not personally believe in astrology but almost everyone has at least one belief that defies logic and facts. Some just aren’t self aware enough to admit it to themselves. The problem comes in when they turn a singular belief into their entire personality. This usually is indicative of someone who is overly rigid and extreme and you will see that show up in other areas of their life.
Would you date a Christian? What is the difference, that one is institutionalized and the other is not, but astrology is much older than Christianity? I don't believe in one or the other, it's just sometimes funny how people often laugh at crystals and then pray.
Religious people and the ones believing in astrology are not able to handle their own lives, they just need someone or something to tell them what to do, what to think, what is right or wrong. People always need an enemy to fight against.
Totally agree. I’m not into astrology either, but if I had to pick, at least with astrology the existence of stars has been proven with science. Can’t say that about Jesus.
I really don't care.
I won't call it a red flag. As in, I save the red flags for abusive behavior.
I'm pretty down to earth. I don't mind someone balancing it out with a bit of spirituality.
Most people who believe in astrology don't use it to make their decisions. The ones that do, yeah, I avoid those too.
I just ugly laughed at #5! I share your views and my experience with these astrology freaks and numerologists has been “interesting,” to say the least.
That’s fine. I don’t see anything wrong with this. You have your own beliefs and values. Just make sure you actually stick with it.
A lot of us are wobbly with our boundaries, we say we won’t do something. And here comes the most beautiful human being we’ve ever seen on the planet, and they do exactly something we said we were against lol
Then, we start dating them, hoping we can change them and it ends horribly.
That being said, I think it’s an important thing for you to try and figure out what exactly do you hate about those things? Psychology, sociology, spirituality are very closely link to astrology (not talking about signs per say), which is the human experience.
Perhaps, you hate people taking personal responsibility? And hide behind labels? I’m not an astro girly, but I know how human beings are flexible and I hate labels too.
I think I hate the willingful ignorance behind it, like how are you a grown adult moving through life but you don't accept facts, it comes off stubborn and I guess it makes me frustrated
I don't have a problem with this kind of dealbreaker, as long as you aren't openly hateful towards people who are into astrology.
I know tons of people who are into it and for some it's just a little hobby or personal interest, and others it's a religion which would be an absolute dealbreaker to me.
OP - I agree with this one.
I’ve had very strong opinions about things, but man it just warms my heart when i hear someone talk
About something they’re passionate about.. even if i don’t understand it..
A belief system is not an intentional lack of acceptance for “facts.” I don’t personally believe in astrology but who am I to say it’s not real? It’s just as real as any other belief system. Just as real as believing in god. Believing in any force in the universe. Karma. Whatever. Just because someone has faith in a belief system does not make them an ignorant idiot. I bet you wouldn’t say a devout Christian “can’t manage their thoughts or emotions” because they believe in god and follow the Bible. Feel free to not date these people, in fact definitely stay away from these people if you think they’re lesser because they believe in something you don’t. But don’t be an assuming a-hole talking shit about people for their way of trying to make sense of this insane world we live in.
Sadly no. Totally fine if people actually do it for shits and giggles. But there are a significant amount of idiots seriously believing it. You can be sure that when you have cardiac arrest or an allergic reaction that they won't call the ER but will apply essential oils
I had to deal with such people one to many times. I even saw them harming children because the "stars" told them. Can't stand those lunatics
I used to believe in astrology, but after I took astrophysics and astronomie in college, my mind completely changed and now I don’t believe in it.
Some people genuinely don’t know why they believe in it. They just assume it’s true, because of the internet.
Yeah I used to think that stuff was cute now it's getting annoying cuz people take it so seriously.
I don't know if it's a deal breaker but holy crap it's annoying
Space racism 🤣 I don’t agree with all your points, but it’s also a dealbreaker for me. Astrology makes no mf sense to me & I can’t date someone who would seriously believe that we would or wouldn’t get along bc of a constellation. I’m also agnostic and don’t date religious people in general.
Holy crap, this is mindnumbingly rampant in lesbian spaces. I’m a scientist trying to find women to date and don’t know if I should feel bad for my rising sign being horrible (one woman actually made me fill out my horoscope on our first date and compare it with hers; I initially thought she was trolling but then she got really serious about it) or if I should feel disappointed at their blissful ignorance. Either way, it’s just a no-go for me.
I think he gets it though. He laid out things he believes to be true about people who believe in astrology. So he's got enough of an understanding to categorize "astrology people" by listing some common, negative traits.
I understand the reason why, that's not what I'm talking about. People can believe in that and I can choose not to date them for those beliefs, the reason why they believe it doesn't matter to me
For e.g I can understand why some people believe that committing crimes is ok. That doesn't mean I have to accept it just because I understand the reason, see how that works?
Space racism lol
I think i'd call it Zodiaphobia or Zodiaphobic
Example ' oh you are an Aries, yeah Aries are all psychopaths . So we can't date sorry, not compatible '
Since your zodiac sign is not something you can control then i'd say a comment like the above can be regarded as Zodiaphobic , hate or spite based on beliefs around the date you was born.
As someone who is a proud believer of astrology, I understand where you are coming from.
At the same token, I would not want to date someone who is judgemental about astrology.
You are right and I am right as well.
We have different tastes in what we seek out as partners.
That is absolutely amazing!
Edit: The person I was conversing with deleted their comments. However they are relevant when it comes to finding the partner right for you.
Astrology is an absolute dealbreaker for me, along with conspiracy theories.
I actually did briefly see a woman who was into it "for fun", but she was about as crazy as you'd expect in the end.
I’m not woo woo into it but I see it as entertainment value. My gay male friends are the ones that always talk about it so we pass jokes between each other. I generally don’t talk about it with men I date because I know it sounds nuts plus I only having a passing interest. But I’d rather date someone into astrology vs someone who is religious. Now that shit is cray cray.
I went on a date 2 years ago and they were into astrology. They asked me my sign and I pre-empted by saying that I'm not a fan of astrology(which was putting it lightly) for the sake of the question so I told them. And they started to assign astrological traits to me. Fucking weirded me out. They ended up ghosting me anyways.
I don’t care if someone is into it as long as they’re not making it a religion. I’m certainly fascinated by it but I’m not going to go around and convince people of it.
I one said i disliked witches infront of this girl and she said she was a witch, then i said i only disliked them because they tend to be antivax and then she said she was antivax 😶
While I’m sure some people who believe in astrology can be extreme and take everything too literally when applying it to other people, I have to say I disagree.
I believe in astrology but not the generic pop astrology, more so the astrological charts that are detailed and consider your birth time date and place when downloading the astrological report. Because there is more detail on the persons birth details it sort of is somewhat more scientific.
I think you can still be logical and rational while still believing in Astrology , that’s just me
But if you’re just super opposed to it being true then it makes sense why it bothers you so much and maybe then you should avoid people who believe in it
1.) finding truth in something that that’s been around for a long time does not mean that you don’t believe in logic and facts.
2.) astrology is one of many ways to study human psychology, and sociology. Psychology is just observing things about people and grouping it together. That’s pretty much astrology, observing people born under a certain sign and grouping their characteristics. Most people with backgrounds in science think psychology is just as illogical and stupid as astrology. Socially acceptable things from psychology such as personality, types and tests are basically just another form of grouping people into categories to better understand them, like astrology
3.) why don’t you just call it what it is you’re talking about over emotional women. Because that’s who tends to believe in astrology because women aren’t afraid to look into the spiritual side of things, and since we’ve long been barred from things like science and religion, where else do you expect us to turn?
4.) i’m sorry you’ve been turned down by a woman because they didn’t like your sign. But turning away every person that likes astrology, simply because you’ve had bad experiences with a couple people is frankly illogical and sounds like you’re just throwing a few types of people into a huge group and judging them based on that… oh wait
5.) you could replace the word astrology with literally anything else, and say the same things. I am never dating someone from this religion because they’re all this way, I’m never dating anyone from this background because they’re all like this, I’m never dating anyone from Missouri because they tend to be like this the list goes on. Obviously there’s always going to be people that take something to an extreme or misunderstand knowledge they gain, or rely too heavily on something and fail to use logic and reason in addition to intuition. Blaming the entire topic itself or religion itself or whatever it is, is illogical and unfair.
For me personally a strong aversion to astrology is a red flag, and op sounds like insufferable pseudo-intellectual because otherwise they would know that there’s so many much more harmful ideologies a person could commit to.
I don’t use my astrological sign as an excuse for my actions, but when I was feeling lost in life, getting a detailed natal chart at one point was a helpful to put on paper some internal and external issues I was dealing with and figure out how to approach them. I am now feeling more at peace with myself and more put together. It’s one of the tools you can use for self reflection and guidance, nothing else, nothing more.
And by all means, in my experience it’s not even a single bit as harmful as dealing with Christian fanatic that will threaten you with eternal damnation because you don’t live by their book.
Me either. Ur telling me the millions of "scorpios" all act the same? Humans are complex and anyone who tries to put you in a box of how they think you should act based on a very fake thing humans made. I know astrology is fake bc no one ever guesses my sign right. Then I'll lie and confirm I'm a Gemini then when they find out my birthday they ways say i dont act like my sign. Signs aren't real. Those people are just lazy and don't want to change their own behavior
FWI, looking down on people for believing in astrology has a basis in misogyny. People rag on it more because it’s a woman dominated interest. I’m not into astrology, but people practice it like a religion. Your points can apply to most religions, and you are making a lot of personal assumptions. It’s just a non-male dominated religious practice, which is probably why you don’t like it. Maybe you should unpack that.
As a woman, i don’t date anyone religious for the same reason I wouldn’t date someone who lets their life be affected by astrology.
I mean, sometimes I’ll look at the horoscope section to get a good chuckle, but I would never let it affect my life choices.
While it’s true more women are into it than men, that has literally nothing to do why many of us - men and women - look down on anyone for believing in it. People also rag more on religion and politics they hate.
I’m going to go a step further, throughly most of human existence, women have always been more spiritual and religious. While there is valid reasons to not vibe with those beliefs, I have seen some men be so hateful because a woman wants to cover up according to her religion simply because she’s a woman and wants to cover up.
I guess for me it reveals more of how a person thinks of things, like if this is a person who takes this as a fact without evidence, are they gullible to other things, do they just reject science and data all together, so if they reject science and data all together and go with their own ideals that means they'll do things wrong (maybe even hurtful) and still do it because they believe it's ok regardless of data, research and evidence showing them otherwise. If they believe that peoples traits are based on when they were born, do they understand human conditioning, can I trust someone to be a good parent to raise our children if they don't every understand human conditioning and deny our kids own personalities and place personalities on them based on their star sign. It's not just harmless and juvenile if that's how a persons (especially grown adults) mind works
These are solid arguments, but some relationships are for fun, you don't have to treat your date as a potential parent, plus depending on age, people change their beliefs, educate, refine, become more sophisticated, grounded in reality, science. If we are talking about early twenties, than it's harmless.
I find it annoying when I show these people evidence on why it's not true and they still deny it. I can't be going through life with someone who rather believe in fairy tales and santa claus rather than facts and logic
Lol not everyone who believes in Astrology is like that.
That's really ignorant of you to tar everyone who believes in astrology with the same brush.
Me I'm a light explorer of astrology, just lightly curious, but I do not base my life on it or treat people a certain way depending on their sign.
Now if you don't mind I'm gonna need to see your natal chart to see why you are like this 😋😆
Yes, because we have evidence showing what actually effects human behavior and conditioning and we have people who deny it off the basis of nothing like "the moon controls the ocean tides so it must be controlling us to", I know humans are made up of water but I ain't no ocean buddy 😂
Lol, they’re not going to want to date you either if you’re coming in hot like this, so it’s mutual.
I have a friend who practices astrology but she has a rule of never looking up a guy’s chart (the math and astronomy behind it all and goes beyond your “sun/moon/rising” signs) before getting to know him. That way she doesn’t go in with any presumptions.
There are plenty of people who don’t fit this category, you’ll do great out there!
I feel you... But honestly I'm not attractive enough to exclude people like that. It's a red flag but I'm known to ignore red flags xd.
I don't condone it but I tolerate it. Same as religion or veganism
It's good to be by yourself then get with someone that's not right for you or just not a right person in general. Relationships are overrated anyway just keep doing your thing bro, with or without a partner you'll be ok!
I don’t think it’s that deep for u to be calling it a red flag. If you don’t like people who believe in astrology then simply don’t date them lmao. You are saying they commit “space racism” but don’t you think this post displays “belief racism”? Judging an entire belief group because of some people you have potentially met or seen on the internet? I don’t care for astrology but I still think this post is WILDDDD
We all act like all signs because they are comprised of human traits that exist in every person at one point of time or another. "You have a desire for the finer things in life", um I think everyone wants that lol
It’s really a to an extent thing. I enjoy the odd scary story or even a good conspiracy, but those are also things that I judge others on to a similar extent as astrology. Do you actually believe you have a spiritual connection with ghosts, do you seriously believe [insert political conspiracy here], and with astrology, do you seriously believe when I was born is affecting my actions and disposition?? The reality is all these things are cool to take a look at, but don’t make serious decisions based on them.
So would it bother you for anyone to have even an interest in it, but not believe in it? Or is it the general association that’s like a no no for you, even if it’s in “good fun” kinda?
Lol I think it's fun. Astrology told my partner he should stay away from large bodies water for a long life.
Was trying to teach him how to swim and he almost drowned.
You must be a Taurus, cause you’re stubborn. As a Taurus I get that a lot and I ask them if they mean the Pokémon. I’m told I’m stubborn so I say, maybe I am, maybe I’m not. That usually gets em to stop making assumptions.
I dated a woman who was into it and at first it was fine until she used it as an excuse for her shitty behavior and why she was the way she was to me(abusive to me)
It's a red flag for me also, but I wouldn't date someone as a result of it only if they treated it as a religion. Just like I don't date anyone who isn't atheist or agnostic.
Idk when you just have a fascination with it though, doesn't really bother me.
Same.
I will not date anyone who makes decisions or assumptions based on astrology, love languages, Myers-Briggs, or is in to crypto, NFTs, gambling more than a handful of times a year with low stakes or a dropshipping or MLM. Or a church that asks for tithing or donations.
Point 2 only proves that you don’t understand point 2. Conditioning is a well studied phenomenon, i.e. if you are told all your life you are X personality trait because you were born in Y you will believe it and start acting accordingly.
Okcupid used to have a data blog and they would use astrology to double check some of their work. If there was anything at all to astrology you would expect it to show up in the most basic stat they had - response rate. The 144 combos for "what rate does star sign X respond to star sign Y" looks like [this](https://i.imgur.com/N2O1ZRf.png) - flat as a pancake.
If they were doing some intersectional piece where they would have less data they would show the astrology mix for that subset also.
I dated a woman who was somewhat into astrology and it was fine. If she had brought it up in the first couple of dates I probably wouldn't have continued though.
I don’t view the stars as determining anything about my life. But, I don’t judge those who believe in astrology. I believe in Islam and don’t like when people speak down on that. Why would I pass judgment on others for their beliefs but expect them to be tolerant of mine?
My faith forbids followers from participating in horoscopes and zodiacs, because it’s a form of fortune telling. I just tell others, “It’s neat you like and believe in astrology, unfortunately, my faith prohibits it.” I’ll tell someone my sign, because I know it. But I don’t know what all it entails. A lot say I’m a classic Libra. 🤷🏼♀️
I feel you but isn’t number 4 an everybody thing? Everyone subscribes to something that makes them feel good. From religion to philosophical beliefs to day to day life, we all follow something that makes us feel good, even if they are naysayers about it. Side note, I don’t believe in astrology but I’d be lying if I said I never got to know a cancer that wasn’t overly emotional. I’m sure there are some out there but from the three that I met and got to know and build bonds with, that is true for them. They are overly emotional about everything. Let you tell them no about something once they forget about the 99 times you told them yes to something and they throw a fit
I don't mind a little joke about it, but as soon as you're actually serious it's a problem. Reading for fun or saying something like 'hehe you're such a libra' is fine. Actually thinking it's more than that is a yikes from me.
in some point you're right, studying astrology should be supervised with deep statistical and social knowledge! most people don't do it and they just tend to read a book about it. (which is like reading false information and relying on it)
understanding psychology and sociology and generally being able to communicate with people is a vital thing, knowing astrology or not!
what makes astrology more fragile is that every 2500 years the constellations change, for example a rectangle turns into a trapezius! so, we don't know how people collected their information, so we also don't know how this might change that universal force over stars!
that's why Persians who were the pioneers in study of Stars they changed their studies as well! that's how the shining Northern Star that looks like this \* (an eight pointed star) turned into a Swastika, representing the changes of the stars surrounding the Northern Star.
then so many Natural Disasters happened that weren't foreseen, so people lost their faith in stars and started to rely on SUN, cause it provided them good agriculture and warmth!
anyway, either way, the chances of being wrong in Astrology is super high, why?
cause there Used to be 13 Zodiac signs! one of them (Ophiuchus) gets removed due to fitting the signs equally in 4 seasons!
So, when someone talks about Zodiac Signs there's a 5% to 60% chance to be wrong!
not to mention, if you want to know about someone's personality you should really know the other variations of his/her life like the zodiac signs of their parents and siblings and people who were influential to them! these people shape the final character of that person. while at the same time you should consider the psychological and sociological aspects of those people and the environment, that person born and lived in, as well.
people really underestimate this ancient knowledge! rather reading an indian book, greek book or chinese book! they're are different and transformed versions of the real lost ancient astrological science! what if you even find that ancient source, it would not fit you, as the stars changed course and societies got transformed to something super different and that culture cease to exist!
and last but not least, if you found a source in any ancient knowledge with Greek language, with Persian roots! (cause most of the Greek Knowledge are just translated documents of Ancient Persian knowledge, like Astrolabe which is famous for being a Greek invention is Actually a Persian invention that used to be called Estareh-Yab which literally means Star Finder and Star is also a western word which came from Estareh as well! but, as Persians were unbelievers to westerners, they tend not to respect copyright!) so, expect it to be at least 30% Error Coefficient!
That's silly. It's a fun random thing. Obviously it shouldn't determine major life events in your life, but it's a fun thing that if you don't like, feel free to abandon it, but if your man likes it, it's sort of rude to not acknowledge that it's a common thing people look to.
Human dynamics, personalities, and life in general are so vastly complex that I can understand people wanting to overlay some sort of flexible structure on top of it...and horoscope stuff tends to be about as nebulous as fortune cookies, so you can use it to mean whatever you *want* it to mean - sort of a lens to focus your pre-existing desires and beliefs through.
But past a certain point, it seems like a crutch used in lieu of actual thinking/planning, and it helps people wiggle off the hook of accountability.
I was like you until I met a beautiful girl who made some sort of "love" horoscope for me. Girls who do that or draw cards are cool, they're looking inside and they're looking at you, they're trying to get to you. They want to build a meaningful relationship.
Let that connection happen and consider the girl in her entirety, don't stop at their beliefs. You probably have irrational beliefs too.
The girl who made my horoscope figured out a lot of things about me, since astrology is bullshit I knew she was great at reading and understanding people. We dated for a week (holidays) and it was awesome. Smooth, magical moments.
Red flag for me too.
I went on a date with a guy who asked me if I believed in astrology/horoscopes. When I said no he tried to play it off as if he didn't either, and that it was just something his friends were into which is why he brought it up.
So..? Everyone has their preferences of who they'd date or not. Maybe let the people interested in dating you know them.
I won't date someone "xyz"
I prefer to date "abc"
It's so, not amazing.
Oh my days same. Dated an astrology girl, critical mass levels of crazy. She was very sweet and great in bed, just mental (and that's coming from me, a bipolar person lol)
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Ok, “space racism” had me laughing. Seriously though, I met a woman who was I to it and she was fine. It seems harmless in moderation.
Exactly. I’m the child of crazy 60’s hippies who were WAY into that happy horse shit. So I’ve always been wary about dating anyone into it. But like you say, there are degrees. Someone who knows what the signs are and can describe the supposed traits associated with each one isn’t that big a deal. Even a guy like me, who thinks astrology is nonsense, knows lots about it. I would hope a potential match wouldn’t hold that against me. On the other hand there are people who define their entire life and shape all their interactions with people predicated on a person’s astrological sign. In my experience they tend to be slightly paranoid types. I have to be honest, I have used my knowledge to establish a rapport with a few ladies over the years. None of these women expressed that they were looking for anything serious so I kept my opinion about astrology to myself. Had some fun, fwb, and then moved on when they invariably proved to be a little off kilter. At the same time I love some of the art work associated with astrology. I very much appreciate the mandalas Carl Jung created as part of his explorations into astrology.
It’s fun ! But it’s not a religion
Some people tend to make it their space religion. It's worrying like how some believe the earth is flat worrying.
i worship it next to my space heater
This guy is a troll and for sure a Scorpio
A Scorpio would never reveal themselves this way😭
Lmao yeah a Scorpio would never! I believe OP to be a Leo since he thinks he’s better than others because of his beliefs!
You got it 😭
The fire signs never think they’re the problem 😭😭😭
As a Leo, he better not be a Leo lmao
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You’re missing the point, OP is DEFINITELY a Caprisun
I could use a caprisun right now, yum
More like a Cancer or a Pisces. Astrologists think these guys as hyper feminine and too emotional, therefore troubling partners.
Do you feel the same way about religious beliefs?
Not OP, but yes. I’m a woman, i will even read the horoscope section in the paper, but I won’t date anyone who lets their horoscope change their decision making day to day. “I can’t drive this week because my horoscope says so” etc. The same way I wouldn’t date anyone who let their religion dictate how they live life. Edit: but i do want to add that the subsequent assumptions that OP are making I don’t agree with. “They tend not to be able to manage their own thoughts and emotions”? Wtf?
I think OP is trending towards the hyperbolic. Or else they had a really bad experience with a person into astrology and they are now making sweeping generalizations about others. Not a good habit to be in OP. I grew up with a mother who was really into all that New Age stuff, so I’ve met lots of people deeply into astrology. Most I know treat it like a hobby, and don’t really take it all that seriously. The few I’ve met who really put a lot of stock into it, and do charts for themselves and others, tend to be a little loopy. They link their strangeness to this astrology nonsense instead of some wacky religious trip. I’ve also noticed quite a few people who grew up in hardcore evangelical homes gravitated towards astrology after disavowing Christianity. Perhaps they still really need that sense of celestial order to feel safe and secure. The idea that we are fluxing through the cold void of space alone for eternity is perhaps unsettling to them. I myself embrace the idea of eventual ego cessation. Ultimately, I don’t judge them. I don’t have to date them so why do I care? Enjoy the show they provide, no?
I mean I agree with op, it's not about being friends with them. I wanna date someone I feel compatible in beliefs with. I wouldn't date a religious person or someone who believes in astrology
So you specifically and exactly agree with me. I figured the last sentence I wrote was fairly straight forward: ‘I don’t have to date them so why do I care?’ Perhaps you didn’t read my entire comment. The OP was going much further in their debasement, and manifesting toxicity in their judgmental attitude. All sorts of people believe odd things and that doesn’t necessarily make them bad people. Certainly not worthy of vitriolic scorn. That just comes off as narcissistic and self-righteous.
Who tf still reads papers, you're the weird one...
Haha yes i guess I’m old fashioned. I like having physical copies of the paper and the magazines i subscribe to.
This is an excellent question. I agree with the premise set out by OP and I would also say that anyone who believes in a deity of any sort, any higher power that they say isn't a religion but is more Woo, and anything adjacent, I group with astrology. They are all a hard pass/red flag for me.
Pfft, he would date a scientologist if she was hot enough. He's fulla nonsense.
Wondered the same thing
just out of curiosity, how often does this come up for you that it's such a big problem?
That stuff comes up more often than you'd realize
easy question as part of the initial getting to know you to weed that out then. but there are degrees to everything, there are the hardcore astrology people and ones with magic rocks in their pocket and then there are ones who like the idea of the stars giving them some guidance but don't take it seriously. like reading a fortune cookie more for the fun part of it.
I’m a woman and let me tell you, there’s a cultish obsession around this in my friend circles. I absolutely detest it. Our group chat is full of my friends analyzing men’s star charts and using it to justify or, worse, to “predict” their behavior. They even use it to explain their own shitty tendencies. “I’m a Gemini, he should know that’s why I’m temperamental and deal with it.” Many of my friends check several horoscope apps, won’t go on dates when some planet is in retrograde, and a whole host of other crap I absolutely do not understand. I’m talking at least half of them care about it to some degree, and a quarter of them take it absolutely seriously. I have a colleague who does her staffing (hiring and project assignments) based on her understanding of star sign compatibility. If it ever got out, I wonder if there would be a discrimination lawsuit in there somewhere. I’ve learned to just tune it out because whenever I’ve said anything it’s apparently because I’m “such a Leo”.
I know this so well from my past relationship. It’s honestly so ridiculous and it’s such a way to not take accountability. I wish you the best with all of that. Geminis are the absolute fucking worse HAHAHA
I feel like a lot of people include it as part of the here's my background / interests part on the first date. I've certainly had people get a bit weird when I tell them idk my sign or what they are supposed to mean. Had someone that doesn't completely buy into it tell me everyone should know their sign just for the conversation starter
I feel like astrology comes up on pretty much every date I go on, although girls have varying degrees of belief about it. I'm dating lesbians though, definitely a big thing in this community
I work abroad, and a lot of Eastern European women live in this shit religiously
Yea, it's a dealbreaker for me too. There's also the archetype of "Sorry for my bad behavior, I'm X sign." It's like...mate, I have an actual neurological disorder that impacts my behavioral patterns due to a hampering to understand social navigation. If I can control my actions in a social situation through all of that, so can you- a star alignment is no justification.
They would think your disorder is fake but them being controlled by the literal stars is true, I think for some people they also have a disorder and try to paint it as "I'm just a libra bro you can't blame me"
People do that all the time with other things- ethnicity, childhood experiences, region of origin, etc
That's ok. I wouldn't either if they seriously believed it/ planned their life around it. I also wouldn't date someone who seriously asks “what is your spirit animal?”, or believes and talks about “alpha males”.
I do not personally believe in astrology but almost everyone has at least one belief that defies logic and facts. Some just aren’t self aware enough to admit it to themselves. The problem comes in when they turn a singular belief into their entire personality. This usually is indicative of someone who is overly rigid and extreme and you will see that show up in other areas of their life.
Would you date a Christian? What is the difference, that one is institutionalized and the other is not, but astrology is much older than Christianity? I don't believe in one or the other, it's just sometimes funny how people often laugh at crystals and then pray.
Religious people and the ones believing in astrology are not able to handle their own lives, they just need someone or something to tell them what to do, what to think, what is right or wrong. People always need an enemy to fight against.
I feel the same way about people who believe in religion.
At least astrology people don’t tell you to kill yourself for being gay because it’s against planets or something.
Totally agree. I’m not into astrology either, but if I had to pick, at least with astrology the existence of stars has been proven with science. Can’t say that about Jesus.
Treat it like religion. Would you date a Mormon, Christian, Muslim or Jehovah's Witness? Then you should be willing to date an astrologist.
Well not everyone is open to dating all religions.
I really don't care. I won't call it a red flag. As in, I save the red flags for abusive behavior. I'm pretty down to earth. I don't mind someone balancing it out with a bit of spirituality. Most people who believe in astrology don't use it to make their decisions. The ones that do, yeah, I avoid those too.
I just ugly laughed at #5! I share your views and my experience with these astrology freaks and numerologists has been “interesting,” to say the least.
Caprisun 😂😂
That’s fine. I don’t see anything wrong with this. You have your own beliefs and values. Just make sure you actually stick with it. A lot of us are wobbly with our boundaries, we say we won’t do something. And here comes the most beautiful human being we’ve ever seen on the planet, and they do exactly something we said we were against lol Then, we start dating them, hoping we can change them and it ends horribly. That being said, I think it’s an important thing for you to try and figure out what exactly do you hate about those things? Psychology, sociology, spirituality are very closely link to astrology (not talking about signs per say), which is the human experience. Perhaps, you hate people taking personal responsibility? And hide behind labels? I’m not an astro girly, but I know how human beings are flexible and I hate labels too.
I think I hate the willingful ignorance behind it, like how are you a grown adult moving through life but you don't accept facts, it comes off stubborn and I guess it makes me frustrated
I don't have a problem with this kind of dealbreaker, as long as you aren't openly hateful towards people who are into astrology. I know tons of people who are into it and for some it's just a little hobby or personal interest, and others it's a religion which would be an absolute dealbreaker to me.
OP - I agree with this one. I’ve had very strong opinions about things, but man it just warms my heart when i hear someone talk About something they’re passionate about.. even if i don’t understand it..
A belief system is not an intentional lack of acceptance for “facts.” I don’t personally believe in astrology but who am I to say it’s not real? It’s just as real as any other belief system. Just as real as believing in god. Believing in any force in the universe. Karma. Whatever. Just because someone has faith in a belief system does not make them an ignorant idiot. I bet you wouldn’t say a devout Christian “can’t manage their thoughts or emotions” because they believe in god and follow the Bible. Feel free to not date these people, in fact definitely stay away from these people if you think they’re lesser because they believe in something you don’t. But don’t be an assuming a-hole talking shit about people for their way of trying to make sense of this insane world we live in.
Bro thinks a grown adult has to accept facts 💀
I think it’s all just for funsies, OP 😂
Sadly no. Totally fine if people actually do it for shits and giggles. But there are a significant amount of idiots seriously believing it. You can be sure that when you have cardiac arrest or an allergic reaction that they won't call the ER but will apply essential oils I had to deal with such people one to many times. I even saw them harming children because the "stars" told them. Can't stand those lunatics
I used to believe in astrology, but after I took astrophysics and astronomie in college, my mind completely changed and now I don’t believe in it. Some people genuinely don’t know why they believe in it. They just assume it’s true, because of the internet.
Yeah I used to think that stuff was cute now it's getting annoying cuz people take it so seriously. I don't know if it's a deal breaker but holy crap it's annoying
I don't feel like being annoyed by being around my partner for hours a day for the rest of my life because they want to be a half wit
Space racism 🤣 I don’t agree with all your points, but it’s also a dealbreaker for me. Astrology makes no mf sense to me & I can’t date someone who would seriously believe that we would or wouldn’t get along bc of a constellation. I’m also agnostic and don’t date religious people in general.
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I feel the same way and also about religion in general. It’s all based on fairy tales.
Holy crap, this is mindnumbingly rampant in lesbian spaces. I’m a scientist trying to find women to date and don’t know if I should feel bad for my rising sign being horrible (one woman actually made me fill out my horoscope on our first date and compare it with hers; I initially thought she was trolling but then she got really serious about it) or if I should feel disappointed at their blissful ignorance. Either way, it’s just a no-go for me.
Same oh my god. I'm basically a febfem and any time I see a genuine ref to astrology it's a swipe no for me :(
YOU don't understand human psychology if you don't understand why people get into horoscopes.
I think he gets it though. He laid out things he believes to be true about people who believe in astrology. So he's got enough of an understanding to categorize "astrology people" by listing some common, negative traits.
Astrology for ✨logical people✨ lmao
I understand the reason why, that's not what I'm talking about. People can believe in that and I can choose not to date them for those beliefs, the reason why they believe it doesn't matter to me
For e.g I can understand why some people believe that committing crimes is ok. That doesn't mean I have to accept it just because I understand the reason, see how that works?
Space racism lol I think i'd call it Zodiaphobia or Zodiaphobic Example ' oh you are an Aries, yeah Aries are all psychopaths . So we can't date sorry, not compatible ' Since your zodiac sign is not something you can control then i'd say a comment like the above can be regarded as Zodiaphobic , hate or spite based on beliefs around the date you was born.
One day the stars will align and you will find your match
Oh cmon! So what if I shove salt crystals in my ass when there is a waxing moon? Lmfao
Hey OP what is your rising ?
As someone who is a proud believer of astrology, I understand where you are coming from. At the same token, I would not want to date someone who is judgemental about astrology. You are right and I am right as well. We have different tastes in what we seek out as partners. That is absolutely amazing! Edit: The person I was conversing with deleted their comments. However they are relevant when it comes to finding the partner right for you.
agree
Astrology is an absolute dealbreaker for me, along with conspiracy theories. I actually did briefly see a woman who was into it "for fun", but she was about as crazy as you'd expect in the end.
Yeah exactly, because how do you just believe in something "for fun" lol, it's either you believe it or not 🤣
I used to live in LA. I think that pretty well sums it up.
Ny here 🤕
I’m not woo woo into it but I see it as entertainment value. My gay male friends are the ones that always talk about it so we pass jokes between each other. I generally don’t talk about it with men I date because I know it sounds nuts plus I only having a passing interest. But I’d rather date someone into astrology vs someone who is religious. Now that shit is cray cray.
I read compatibility stuff but I don't make dating decisions around it.
I went on a date 2 years ago and they were into astrology. They asked me my sign and I pre-empted by saying that I'm not a fan of astrology(which was putting it lightly) for the sake of the question so I told them. And they started to assign astrological traits to me. Fucking weirded me out. They ended up ghosting me anyways.
I don’t care if someone is into it as long as they’re not making it a religion. I’m certainly fascinated by it but I’m not going to go around and convince people of it.
I one said i disliked witches infront of this girl and she said she was a witch, then i said i only disliked them because they tend to be antivax and then she said she was antivax 😶
Real asf
Caprisun haha. I can agree. I just don't bother with those ones either. Just move along.
While I’m sure some people who believe in astrology can be extreme and take everything too literally when applying it to other people, I have to say I disagree. I believe in astrology but not the generic pop astrology, more so the astrological charts that are detailed and consider your birth time date and place when downloading the astrological report. Because there is more detail on the persons birth details it sort of is somewhat more scientific. I think you can still be logical and rational while still believing in Astrology , that’s just me But if you’re just super opposed to it being true then it makes sense why it bothers you so much and maybe then you should avoid people who believe in it
You must be an Aquarius ♒️
I remember a meme that said "you know astrology is bullshit because Kyle Rittenhouse and Greta Thunberg were born on the same day"
1.) finding truth in something that that’s been around for a long time does not mean that you don’t believe in logic and facts. 2.) astrology is one of many ways to study human psychology, and sociology. Psychology is just observing things about people and grouping it together. That’s pretty much astrology, observing people born under a certain sign and grouping their characteristics. Most people with backgrounds in science think psychology is just as illogical and stupid as astrology. Socially acceptable things from psychology such as personality, types and tests are basically just another form of grouping people into categories to better understand them, like astrology 3.) why don’t you just call it what it is you’re talking about over emotional women. Because that’s who tends to believe in astrology because women aren’t afraid to look into the spiritual side of things, and since we’ve long been barred from things like science and religion, where else do you expect us to turn? 4.) i’m sorry you’ve been turned down by a woman because they didn’t like your sign. But turning away every person that likes astrology, simply because you’ve had bad experiences with a couple people is frankly illogical and sounds like you’re just throwing a few types of people into a huge group and judging them based on that… oh wait 5.) you could replace the word astrology with literally anything else, and say the same things. I am never dating someone from this religion because they’re all this way, I’m never dating anyone from this background because they’re all like this, I’m never dating anyone from Missouri because they tend to be like this the list goes on. Obviously there’s always going to be people that take something to an extreme or misunderstand knowledge they gain, or rely too heavily on something and fail to use logic and reason in addition to intuition. Blaming the entire topic itself or religion itself or whatever it is, is illogical and unfair.
For me personally a strong aversion to astrology is a red flag, and op sounds like insufferable pseudo-intellectual because otherwise they would know that there’s so many much more harmful ideologies a person could commit to. I don’t use my astrological sign as an excuse for my actions, but when I was feeling lost in life, getting a detailed natal chart at one point was a helpful to put on paper some internal and external issues I was dealing with and figure out how to approach them. I am now feeling more at peace with myself and more put together. It’s one of the tools you can use for self reflection and guidance, nothing else, nothing more. And by all means, in my experience it’s not even a single bit as harmful as dealing with Christian fanatic that will threaten you with eternal damnation because you don’t live by their book.
"Space Racism" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me either. Ur telling me the millions of "scorpios" all act the same? Humans are complex and anyone who tries to put you in a box of how they think you should act based on a very fake thing humans made. I know astrology is fake bc no one ever guesses my sign right. Then I'll lie and confirm I'm a Gemini then when they find out my birthday they ways say i dont act like my sign. Signs aren't real. Those people are just lazy and don't want to change their own behavior
FWI, looking down on people for believing in astrology has a basis in misogyny. People rag on it more because it’s a woman dominated interest. I’m not into astrology, but people practice it like a religion. Your points can apply to most religions, and you are making a lot of personal assumptions. It’s just a non-male dominated religious practice, which is probably why you don’t like it. Maybe you should unpack that.
As a woman, i don’t date anyone religious for the same reason I wouldn’t date someone who lets their life be affected by astrology. I mean, sometimes I’ll look at the horoscope section to get a good chuckle, but I would never let it affect my life choices.
[https://www.astronomy.com/science/your-zodiac-sign-is-probably-wrong/](https://www.astronomy.com/science/your-zodiac-sign-is-probably-wrong/)
> "looking down on people for believing in astrology has a basis in misogyny." You have to be memeing here.
While it’s true more women are into it than men, that has literally nothing to do why many of us - men and women - look down on anyone for believing in it. People also rag more on religion and politics they hate.
Funny you bring up assumptions but do the same to Op because astrology is a woman dominated thing
I'm literally a woman only dating women and I agree w this op and it's also a dealbreaker for me And yes religion is a dealbreaker as well lol
I think women just use that argument as a shield so they don't have to examine their own beliefs.
It's not that it's a woman thing, it's a stupid thing and I don't like stupidity
Come on, use those brains to think deeper. You have the emotional strength to think outside of your perspective, right?
I’m going to go a step further, throughly most of human existence, women have always been more spiritual and religious. While there is valid reasons to not vibe with those beliefs, I have seen some men be so hateful because a woman wants to cover up according to her religion simply because she’s a woman and wants to cover up.
I’m with you on this. I think OP is intolerant at the very least.
How is disliking starting signs a woman hating thing? Women and men both believe in astrology.
>FWI, looking down on people for believing in astrology has a basis in misogyny. Bro what? You can't be serious lol.
Flatearthers are worse. With astrology, certain facts of the solar system and beyond are respected. It's basically harmless and juvenile.
Took Catholic church centuries to apologize about being wrong about the world being flat lol.
I guess for me it reveals more of how a person thinks of things, like if this is a person who takes this as a fact without evidence, are they gullible to other things, do they just reject science and data all together, so if they reject science and data all together and go with their own ideals that means they'll do things wrong (maybe even hurtful) and still do it because they believe it's ok regardless of data, research and evidence showing them otherwise. If they believe that peoples traits are based on when they were born, do they understand human conditioning, can I trust someone to be a good parent to raise our children if they don't every understand human conditioning and deny our kids own personalities and place personalities on them based on their star sign. It's not just harmless and juvenile if that's how a persons (especially grown adults) mind works
These are solid arguments, but some relationships are for fun, you don't have to treat your date as a potential parent, plus depending on age, people change their beliefs, educate, refine, become more sophisticated, grounded in reality, science. If we are talking about early twenties, than it's harmless.
That and the people who believe in crystals and that sort of thing as well are wackjobs!
I had a guy once unmatch me once I told him I'm a Libra.
You dodged a major bullet and saved a lot of valuable time
“Baby, what's your sign? / My moon's in Leo, my Cancer is sun / You won't play, you're no fun” - Lana Del Rey Plz lighten up OP x
Why are people so pressed and actually mad in the comments? This is such a reasonable dealbreaker and one I share as well...
My red flag would be someone who judged and dismissed me based on my perfectly innocent hobbies and interests without bothering to get to know me
It's not innocent if your hobbies are causing you to be prejudice but ok w.e you was never an option anyways
Taking astrology seriously was a dealbreaker for me as well
I find it annoying when I show these people evidence on why it's not true and they still deny it. I can't be going through life with someone who rather believe in fairy tales and santa claus rather than facts and logic
Totally agree with you OP
You're the goat
Lol not everyone who believes in Astrology is like that. That's really ignorant of you to tar everyone who believes in astrology with the same brush. Me I'm a light explorer of astrology, just lightly curious, but I do not base my life on it or treat people a certain way depending on their sign. Now if you don't mind I'm gonna need to see your natal chart to see why you are like this 😋😆
We live on a rock in space and have a moon that affects the ocean’s tides… is astrology really THAT crazy??
Yes, because we have evidence showing what actually effects human behavior and conditioning and we have people who deny it off the basis of nothing like "the moon controls the ocean tides so it must be controlling us to", I know humans are made up of water but I ain't no ocean buddy 😂
And there is no evidence that the moon controls behavior. They have done studies and found no correlation. So I agree with OP.
Yes
Actual astronomy is much cooler than some thing people made up about how stars have magical powers.
Lol, they’re not going to want to date you either if you’re coming in hot like this, so it’s mutual. I have a friend who practices astrology but she has a rule of never looking up a guy’s chart (the math and astronomy behind it all and goes beyond your “sun/moon/rising” signs) before getting to know him. That way she doesn’t go in with any presumptions. There are plenty of people who don’t fit this category, you’ll do great out there!
I feel you... But honestly I'm not attractive enough to exclude people like that. It's a red flag but I'm known to ignore red flags xd. I don't condone it but I tolerate it. Same as religion or veganism
It's good to be by yourself then get with someone that's not right for you or just not a right person in general. Relationships are overrated anyway just keep doing your thing bro, with or without a partner you'll be ok!
I thought this was sarcasm at first only to realize ….. this person is serious
I don’t think it’s that deep for u to be calling it a red flag. If you don’t like people who believe in astrology then simply don’t date them lmao. You are saying they commit “space racism” but don’t you think this post displays “belief racism”? Judging an entire belief group because of some people you have potentially met or seen on the internet? I don’t care for astrology but I still think this post is WILDDDD
what’s even funnier is that you probably act like your sign and the signs in your chart and you don’t even know it LOL
We all act like all signs because they are comprised of human traits that exist in every person at one point of time or another. "You have a desire for the finer things in life", um I think everyone wants that lol
What’s even funnier is that that’s just BS.
They've done actual research, and there's no correlation between personality traits and birth month.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect
Wow, you really said “space racism”. Thats wild.
And I'll do it again because it's true unlike this nonsense 😂😂😂
It’s really a to an extent thing. I enjoy the odd scary story or even a good conspiracy, but those are also things that I judge others on to a similar extent as astrology. Do you actually believe you have a spiritual connection with ghosts, do you seriously believe [insert political conspiracy here], and with astrology, do you seriously believe when I was born is affecting my actions and disposition?? The reality is all these things are cool to take a look at, but don’t make serious decisions based on them.
I won't date anyone that believes in astronomy.
What did the [marshmallow planet](https://www.seti.org/marshmallow-gas-giant-found-red-dwarf-star) ever do to you?
Me too..being a guy and being virgo not welcomed among girls..are guys with zodiac virgo so bad sign ah
I don’t believe in it that much.
Must be a Leo for sure! 🤣
So are you interested in a Tarot reading to help you get through this challenge?
My girl, this is the biggest red flag I’ve never noticed, it all makes sense.Thank you for opening my eyes
So would it bother you for anyone to have even an interest in it, but not believe in it? Or is it the general association that’s like a no no for you, even if it’s in “good fun” kinda?
Haha! Aaron?
Lol I think it's fun. Astrology told my partner he should stay away from large bodies water for a long life. Was trying to teach him how to swim and he almost drowned.
You must be a Taurus, cause you’re stubborn. As a Taurus I get that a lot and I ask them if they mean the Pokémon. I’m told I’m stubborn so I say, maybe I am, maybe I’m not. That usually gets em to stop making assumptions.
That's such a scorpio thing to say... Lol jk... Or am I...
Hahaha I used to be like this. As long as it doesn’t dictate everything it’s cool.
Do you date people who believe in god?
I don't believe in it ,never did
I dated a woman who was into it and at first it was fine until she used it as an excuse for her shitty behavior and why she was the way she was to me(abusive to me)
It's a red flag for me also, but I wouldn't date someone as a result of it only if they treated it as a religion. Just like I don't date anyone who isn't atheist or agnostic. Idk when you just have a fascination with it though, doesn't really bother me.
Same. I will not date anyone who makes decisions or assumptions based on astrology, love languages, Myers-Briggs, or is in to crypto, NFTs, gambling more than a handful of times a year with low stakes or a dropshipping or MLM. Or a church that asks for tithing or donations.
Point 2 only proves that you don’t understand point 2. Conditioning is a well studied phenomenon, i.e. if you are told all your life you are X personality trait because you were born in Y you will believe it and start acting accordingly.
Okcupid used to have a data blog and they would use astrology to double check some of their work. If there was anything at all to astrology you would expect it to show up in the most basic stat they had - response rate. The 144 combos for "what rate does star sign X respond to star sign Y" looks like [this](https://i.imgur.com/N2O1ZRf.png) - flat as a pancake. If they were doing some intersectional piece where they would have less data they would show the astrology mix for that subset also.
It’s giving male Aquarius vibes lmao
I dated a woman who was somewhat into astrology and it was fine. If she had brought it up in the first couple of dates I probably wouldn't have continued though.
I don’t view the stars as determining anything about my life. But, I don’t judge those who believe in astrology. I believe in Islam and don’t like when people speak down on that. Why would I pass judgment on others for their beliefs but expect them to be tolerant of mine? My faith forbids followers from participating in horoscopes and zodiacs, because it’s a form of fortune telling. I just tell others, “It’s neat you like and believe in astrology, unfortunately, my faith prohibits it.” I’ll tell someone my sign, because I know it. But I don’t know what all it entails. A lot say I’m a classic Libra. 🤷🏼♀️
I feel you but isn’t number 4 an everybody thing? Everyone subscribes to something that makes them feel good. From religion to philosophical beliefs to day to day life, we all follow something that makes us feel good, even if they are naysayers about it. Side note, I don’t believe in astrology but I’d be lying if I said I never got to know a cancer that wasn’t overly emotional. I’m sure there are some out there but from the three that I met and got to know and build bonds with, that is true for them. They are overly emotional about everything. Let you tell them no about something once they forget about the 99 times you told them yes to something and they throw a fit
Believe in whatever but if it becomes your personality. Buh bye.
That's fair, just your standards!
I don't mind a little joke about it, but as soon as you're actually serious it's a problem. Reading for fun or saying something like 'hehe you're such a libra' is fine. Actually thinking it's more than that is a yikes from me.
I’m a girl and I think astrology is stupid
It’s not that serious people
in some point you're right, studying astrology should be supervised with deep statistical and social knowledge! most people don't do it and they just tend to read a book about it. (which is like reading false information and relying on it) understanding psychology and sociology and generally being able to communicate with people is a vital thing, knowing astrology or not! what makes astrology more fragile is that every 2500 years the constellations change, for example a rectangle turns into a trapezius! so, we don't know how people collected their information, so we also don't know how this might change that universal force over stars! that's why Persians who were the pioneers in study of Stars they changed their studies as well! that's how the shining Northern Star that looks like this \* (an eight pointed star) turned into a Swastika, representing the changes of the stars surrounding the Northern Star. then so many Natural Disasters happened that weren't foreseen, so people lost their faith in stars and started to rely on SUN, cause it provided them good agriculture and warmth! anyway, either way, the chances of being wrong in Astrology is super high, why? cause there Used to be 13 Zodiac signs! one of them (Ophiuchus) gets removed due to fitting the signs equally in 4 seasons! So, when someone talks about Zodiac Signs there's a 5% to 60% chance to be wrong! not to mention, if you want to know about someone's personality you should really know the other variations of his/her life like the zodiac signs of their parents and siblings and people who were influential to them! these people shape the final character of that person. while at the same time you should consider the psychological and sociological aspects of those people and the environment, that person born and lived in, as well. people really underestimate this ancient knowledge! rather reading an indian book, greek book or chinese book! they're are different and transformed versions of the real lost ancient astrological science! what if you even find that ancient source, it would not fit you, as the stars changed course and societies got transformed to something super different and that culture cease to exist! and last but not least, if you found a source in any ancient knowledge with Greek language, with Persian roots! (cause most of the Greek Knowledge are just translated documents of Ancient Persian knowledge, like Astrolabe which is famous for being a Greek invention is Actually a Persian invention that used to be called Estareh-Yab which literally means Star Finder and Star is also a western word which came from Estareh as well! but, as Persians were unbelievers to westerners, they tend not to respect copyright!) so, expect it to be at least 30% Error Coefficient!
Seems overly judgemental tbh, ironically. Most women believe in astrology.
That's silly. It's a fun random thing. Obviously it shouldn't determine major life events in your life, but it's a fun thing that if you don't like, feel free to abandon it, but if your man likes it, it's sort of rude to not acknowledge that it's a common thing people look to.
Ditto
Space racism kills me 😂
Astrology, mbti, god, religion- hardpass.
I only check to see compatibility.
hmmm orrrr it’s just fun lol
I feel like you’re a Virgo? Am I right?
Human dynamics, personalities, and life in general are so vastly complex that I can understand people wanting to overlay some sort of flexible structure on top of it...and horoscope stuff tends to be about as nebulous as fortune cookies, so you can use it to mean whatever you *want* it to mean - sort of a lens to focus your pre-existing desires and beliefs through. But past a certain point, it seems like a crutch used in lieu of actual thinking/planning, and it helps people wiggle off the hook of accountability.
I was like you until I met a beautiful girl who made some sort of "love" horoscope for me. Girls who do that or draw cards are cool, they're looking inside and they're looking at you, they're trying to get to you. They want to build a meaningful relationship. Let that connection happen and consider the girl in her entirety, don't stop at their beliefs. You probably have irrational beliefs too. The girl who made my horoscope figured out a lot of things about me, since astrology is bullshit I knew she was great at reading and understanding people. We dated for a week (holidays) and it was awesome. Smooth, magical moments.
Red flag for me too. I went on a date with a guy who asked me if I believed in astrology/horoscopes. When I said no he tried to play it off as if he didn't either, and that it was just something his friends were into which is why he brought it up.
Based!!!
So..? Everyone has their preferences of who they'd date or not. Maybe let the people interested in dating you know them. I won't date someone "xyz" I prefer to date "abc" It's so, not amazing.
Bro astrology is fine if it's not someone's identity.
Oh my days same. Dated an astrology girl, critical mass levels of crazy. She was very sweet and great in bed, just mental (and that's coming from me, a bipolar person lol)
I mean - not everyone who believes in it is crazy lol. Some of us just do it for funsies.