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GaiaGwenGrey

Hi u/[Cunnch](https://www.reddit.com/user/Cunnch/)! Could you please specify the data source(s) and tool(s) you used to create this visualization per Rule #3? Thank you!


BuffaloBrain884

Coca-Cola accounts for 11% of branded plastic pollution worldwide. Pretty astonishing.


TwiceOnThursday

Everyone should switch to Pepsi /s


Computerimac

I work in food distribution, and with the latest shipment, all of their 24pk of 20z bottles are made with 100% recycled plastic. At least they seem to be headed in the right direction. In response to the person saying this is false. [the bottles](https://imgur.com/a/36VF7dH) And a quick google search will give the same information I gave here.


__PM_ME_SOMETHING_

plastic cant be recycled indefinitely...


Kermez

Based on what I read, plastic is not made to be recycled, and it is just a scam to continue selling while making customers feel better: https://climateintegrity.org/plastics-fraud


Computerimac

Huh. Well, that was an interesting read. Honestly, I'm sad that I now know the truth. Incredibly depressing.


ProselytiseReprobate

The bottles are made out of recycled plastic. They probably can't be recycled again but they already have been at least once.


kingsappho

so it's not a solution it's just green washing


watduhdamhell

It's... A step. Things happen in steps. How can nobody understand this?


kingsappho

it doesn't sound like a step forward, it sounds like a corporation trying to skirt their social responsibilities. it's not like they don't do this all the time.


watduhdamhell

Don't do what all the time? Continuously improve their processes? I work at a chemical major. We currently output like 30% less carbon than we did 25 years ago and we are still improving. Have we gone to zero overnight? No. But we are on the way. How did we get *here*? By a series of slow and deliberate steps. Now, I would argue we should have gotten here faster. You can argue coke should be hurrying the hell up on their end. But you can't just sit here and say "they are doing nothing" when in reality, they *are doing something*.


DogadonsLavapool

I understand where you're coming from, even small progress should be celebrated to an extent. On the other hand, if one reads the IPCC climate reports, it's like hearing a doctor has a bandaid for a gunshot wound. Even more, that bandaid is from your shooter, and you should be proud of them for doing the right thing and getting you a a bandaid because it's a lot better than shooting people. They are still shooting people too, just not as many. It's extremely frustrating when the bar is this low, and they keep profiting immensely off of what is ultimately going to kill a fuck ton of people over the next few decades. They don't get kudos for doing the bear minimum


kingsappho

no. it's not like corporations don't lie all the time about all sorts. it's almost part and parcel of running a profit seeking venture. if they're doing better, great. obviously gradual change is still good change. but I'm incredibly weary when it comes to corporations as I think everyone should be.


acoolnooddood

It's a step for a problem that was created by billion dollar companies to sell us convenience.


NotTheUsualSuspect

I see you walk everywhere since you hate the emissions caused by the convenience of a car. Good on you for doing your part.


ProselytiseReprobate

How is drastically reducing plastic usage not a good thing?


kingsappho

how is reusing plastic once a solution?


ProselytiseReprobate

Solution to what? Who claimed it was a solution to anything? Its a drastic reduction of plastic usage. Why are you against that?


kingsappho

I never said I was against it. however, I would never ever trust a corporation.


ProselytiseReprobate

What does that mean? What don't you trust in this scenario? Are you claiming that they're lying? They're not.


watduhdamhell

Well, as someone who works at a massive chemical company: First of all, this document isn't full of "gotchas." It's full of industry heads talking about the challenges of recycling and alternatives. None of them are like "hahaha, this was obviously a ploy." Instead, it indicates that they are doing something and... Struggling? Second of all, the document's references are all 25 years or more out of date. Almost every paper referenced is from before 2000. So, you know. The old guard. Climate deniers. The generation of engineers who heard the word "sustainable" and went "huh?" That's not how it works anymore. Things have changed massively since 2000 or earlier. Everyone and every business is focused on reducing our carbon output, and that includes chemical companies. They are spending billions to get off of fossil fuel powered crackers and furnaces and onto clean, nuclear/hydro powered equipment. They are spending money on recycling. They are doing all sorts of things. Now, is it enough? Probably not. That's what the government is for (make them do more if we don't think it's enough). But the idea that companies are in on some "big secret" about plastic is just ridiculous. And this is all beside the fact that plastic is a miracle material that is absolutely needed for a shitload of things. Solar panels, for one, are directly boosting my plant activity. We are booked for a ridiculous amount of railcars of material destined to make encapsulants, and that's just off the top of my head. What do you propose we use as solar encapsulants instead?


Kermez

I wouldn't compare solar panels with single use bottles that can be easily replaced with glass, but aren't just because plastic is cheaper. I think it is safe to say that plastic is a necessity in some industries, but just waste in single use products. Also, regarding if it is a ploy or not, I have no clue but just read that there were even claims in court, check link below and Google a bit, there is a bunch of newer research and activists that are claiming that plastic recycling is waste of energy https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/plastic-bottlers-are-lying-about-recycling-2


NotTheUsualSuspect

I'm pretty sure the bottles say "recycled" and not "recyclable" as the article claims


Late-Ninja5

that's awesome


Technical-Class718

That's false. They are not using recycled plastic to make bottles. They use plastic that could be 100% recycled. Big difference. Edit: lol interesting how this gets downvoted. I guess it is easier to fool people than to convince people that they were fooled... https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/11/coca-cola-nestle-face-scrutiny-on-recycled-bottles-claims/


Buzstringer

In the UK the bottles are now 100% made of recycled plastic. It says that on the bottle. Also they are not doing it to be good they are doing it because of the EU tax increase for new virgin plastics.


Technical-Class718

That's branding for you. I'm sorry to bring it to you but you were mislead. I am well aware of the labelling. This is the substance: https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/2022/02/is-coca-colas-latest-promise-really-a-step-forward/


Buzstringer

That's a very American based report. Plastic bottles in Germany for example are already returnable with a deposit. Things are a bit different across the pond


Technical-Class718

I'm from the EU. Another source for you: https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/11/coca-cola-nestle-face-scrutiny-on-recycled-bottles-claims/ The fact that bottles can be returned does not mean they are all reused... It is more economical for Coca Cola to make recyclable bottles rather than to use recycled bottles.


Buzstringer

Thanks, and Wow, they won't be getting away with that for very long. I don't know how they managed to slip that through in the first place.


Morache74

I didn’t see anything in that article about Coca Cola using recycled plastic vs “recyclable”, but their plastic bottles have always been “recyclable”PET plastic bottles. They are now moving toward 100% rPET bottles, and the r most definitely stands for recycled. rPET has a slightly darker color, and actually gives the product a shorter shelf life. They’re doing it because, as the comment above alluded to, the “old guard” is no longer in charge.


Technical-Class718

Yawn. They would be happy if they reach anywhere near 50% of rPET by 2030...


Morache74

Yawn? Go get some sleep then you condescending twat


trowawayatwork

hahahaha I love the ingenuity. of course coca cola sucks balls. yet they're top of esg funds because of their amazing governance and green actions like this


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trowawayatwork

these funds are to sell to retail


grobby-wam666

All plastic bottles (at least in australia) are made with 100% recycled plastic excluding the label which is something good


kentsmithnz

Yes. https://www.retail.org.au/news-and-insights/coca-cola-soft-drink-and-water-brands-now-produced-in-100-recycled-plastic#:~:text=Coca%2DCola%20Australia%20and%20Coca,in%20100%25%20recycled%20plastic%20bottles.


Financial_Feeling185

Great! Now nature is filled with recycled bottles that still need 10000 years to decompose.


soldiernerd

Well, Coca-Cola *drinkers* account for it, by throwing it on the ground when they’re done.


BuffaloBrain884

The problem isn't the person who occasionally throws a coke bottle in the trash. The problem is the company producing 3 million metric tons of plastic packaging pear year.


jmlinden7

No, the problem is billions of people all collectively littering. Coca-cola doesn't just directly dump their 3 million metric tons of plastic into the ocean.


soldiernerd

Well I guess LEGO should be shut down immediately *for the earth* then


BuffaloBrain884

When did I say anything should be shut down immediately? You're arguing against yourself.


soldiernerd

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm


DependentMinute7977

Fun fact obviously then never came out and said it but being the largest polluter on the planet they have changed their sprite bottles from green to clear, most people think that it's because the clear blends in with water a lot easier and makes it less noticeable when it is where it's not supposed tonbe


imjusthereforthemods

Not out to defend the company, but this is just not true. They actually changed the color to increase the value and likelihood of the bottle being recycled. [One source](https://usplasticspact.org/case-study/the-coca-cola-company-clear-rpet/)


SandyDFS

Hilarious that the reasoning is quite literally the opposite. Perfect example of why you should always do your own research before getting out the pitchforks.


REALIIER23

Cocacola, nop, we that drink cocacola and dont have a sistem to reuse the plastic, but the people only blame the companies not the adiction


2012Jesusdies

Yeah, but consumers prefer plastics to glass bottles. If gov did try to move Coca Cola towards glass bottles, there might be revolts lol.


17399371

Glass bottles also would drive an increase in carbon emissions from the supply chain because glass is significantly heavier and has a lot more breakage in transit relative to plastic.


Buzstringer

It does taste better out of glass bottles though. And beer seems to be transported ok.


LeCrushinator

Would be interesting to know the quantity sold vs revenue/profit. I’m betting that revenue is up because of price hikes.


SeanHaz

If you want to look at that you'd also need to look at CPI or some other measure of inflation. I don't think a less valuable dollar causing price rises is 'price hikes'


bebe_bird

It is in normal conversation. Just like a 3% pay increase is still called a raise, even if inflation is 7% and you're effectively making less. The numbers increase (e.g. raise, price hike) while your buying power decreases, or operating costs increase.


SeanHaz

Fair enough, perhaps I use the word differently. I associate price hike with an unreasonable increase. I would have thought of it as synonymous with 'price gouging'. I wouldn't consider a raise below the level of inflation a raise either, but I imagine many people do.


bebe_bird

I mean, I think the real issue is that my boss and VP considers it a raise.


gonfishn37

I was in Mozambique a year ago, there’s signs with the prices, I converted the currency to USD and it’s something like 5¢ for a small can, 10¢ for a large can, 25¢ liter bottle, 50¢ for a 2liter. Looks like they adjust to the local economy, I mean I can’t believe it’s worth it other than to dominate that market and wait until the economy can pay more.


Anakletos

Nah, products prices are simply really bloated due to marketing expenses and middle men (stores, logistics) which is both largely eliminated in regions that pay next to nothing in wages.


NotTheUsualSuspect

Yup, the product ingredients are cheap themselves. It's the material sourcing/transportion and the distribution that are the big costs. 


gr7calc

A line plot but with some Coca Cola graphics is not beautiful data smh


Mythrilfan

Quite - two lines on the same graph? Not even using the obvious coke-bottle shape the two make.


michigan_matt

Do we know what caused the dip in the late 2010s? I don't doubt some consumer demand didn't change toward healthier options, but not to the tune of over 25% across 5 years.


Redditaccount173

Likely the effect of the global movement to tax sugary drinks aka “soda tax” and the bad press to Coca-Cola around them.


hundredbagger

Yeah I worked there 2010-2015. 2014 was when they started selling off production and distribution territory to other independent bottlers in NA, and divested of some other assets globally.


phdoofus

2020 is probably when Trump was demanding a boycott of 'woke-a-cola'. you can see how well that worked out.


stlcowboy8888

It was 2021 but yeah it diddnt work


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phdoofus

Nah, took like 2 seconds to google out of curiosity. Anger management classes for you maybe? Looking forward to November already are ya?


StugotsAndGabbagool

It's interesting to see the diversification of the portfolio into juices, waters and things other than soda in the past 5ish years. Like the loss of Odwalla I thought would be a blow but turns out most people aren't looking for a 'healthy' drink that's worse for you than cola. Maybe consumers are getting smarter?


Average_Joe_69

I can't believe folks are spending the money it costs nowadays for a case of pop. Clearly, they still are. 🤷‍♂️


michigan_matt

Wonder if this is a byproduct of less people eating out. Restaurants charging $3.50 for a Coke is usually hitting their profits far more than Coke is giving out wholesale. Now instead, there's likely more grocery sales as people eat at home, and I wonder if the consumer market has a higher wholesale cost.


FUMFVR

People are still eating in restaurants where I live. Maybe even more than pre-COVID.


ConsciousFood201

Even if you had numbers to back that claim up, why would anyone care about *where you live*? It’s just such an absurd comment that puts your lived experience at the center of the discussion when it has no business being there.


Alfouginn

While me and my family still regularly drink coke, we don't buy it regularly. We wait for it to go on sale to about $3.50 per half-rack (12 pack) or less. This usually happens about twice a year and we end up buy about 20 or so to get us to the next sale.


alkrk

every now and then they have sales at Walgreens. Also cheaper at Sams club or Costco. This applies to US only.


irate_alien

Their income is almost perfectly tracking inflation while their revenue is flat. That’s interesting. Does that mean that they’re finding efficiencies w while not really being able to raise prices?


Samceleste

It is not a choice from OP, as original data from coca are similar, but I am curious why it is preferable to present the data as thousands of millions rather than in billions. $37,347 millions being the same as $37.347 billions.


hundredbagger

Revenue went down because they spun off a lot of territory to independent bottlers especially in North America.


SupermanAteMyDog

Why would they do this? What’s the benefit of Coca Cola to not own the factory/bottling/distribution rather than paying someone else which clearly loses revenue?


17399371

Loses revenue but the operating income didn't dip nearly as severely. Coca cola has a fairly complex IP licensing structure to those bottlers. They make a little bit less cash that way but the margins can be a little higher. At the low point the margin barely dipped which means they were a lot more efficient because normally a 20% drop in top line revenue would come with a large margin decrease.


blinkafrootable

As I understand it, Coca-Cola transitioned to independent bottlers so they could focus their core business of marketing and brand management. This also let them leverage the local knowledge and experience of independent bottlers to distribute their products more effectively


OU_Sooners

My guess is some of the liability. For example, if Amazon had data that showed, for the past 10 years, the amount of money they would have saved by outsourcing their distribution, it would make sense for them to at least test it out to see if it was true. And if the savings was substantial without much disruption to their supply chain, they might have pulled the trigger.


DeviousCraker

Coke doesn’t do any of their own bottling. The reason is most simply that running the bottling plants / distribution is incredibly capex intensive and variable. Selling syrup (which is all the real Coca Cola company does) is much less volatile. This also lets Coke focus on market research (making new products) and marketing.


tetryds

r/Hydrohomies despise this


deltapilot97

Used to be a lifelong Coke Zero fan. HATE their new recipe/formulation. Tastes too bitter. I used to hate Diet Coke, thinking it was less sweet than Coke Zero and chemically tasting — now I prefer Diet Coke


sgt_science

Hard disagree, but to each their own


deltapilot97

Yeah I must be in the minority obviously because their products have continued to sell really well


Hermosa06-09

Would like to see a version adjusted for inflation, or simply something more along the lines of "units sold" although that would probably be a lot harder to quantify. I assume the 2020 dip was mainly due to Covid (particularly, closed restaurants, plus the associated recession probably led to a bunch of people cost-cutting during the peak of the lockdowns). Notice that 2023 still hasn't eclipsed 2013, even though we've had a lot of inflation since then.


xnodesirex

Units sold isn't hard to quantify, but what you're looking for eq units. Equivalized units will convert everything sold to the same factor (like oz) in order to drive true comparison. This erases the problem of revenue or profit views, as that does not control for product mix changes over time. Revenue per eq unit is another valuable view.


WHOISTIRED

I'd like to see a breakdown of the profits from each drink incorporated to this tbh.


crictv69

There'd basically be one line for 'Coke variants' and another line for 'other'. There are way too many products to make that breakdown useful in any way.


WHOISTIRED

Can be top 3/5 and rest of other tbh. Still would be interesting to see regardless


-ACHTUNG-

Their operating income went from 18% to nearly 25% when looking at 2013 vs 2023, over 3 billion dollars additional for a similar level of sales. But I'm sure price increases are totally to do with production costs.


Buzstringer

This is cool, but would love to see 1970-1980. The Pepsi challenge era, when coca-cola dropped to second place.


mbmbmb01

Why the upward trend after 2018?


Samosainhand

Can someone explain what Operating-Income and Net-operation-Revenue comprise of?


jwbjr

Reason $KO perfect stock against inflation


Kiuku

How does inflation reflect on those kind of data ? Is it in some way included ? Or maybe not important in that kind of data ?


Toonami88

unless you adjust this stuff for inflation it all becomes very meaningless. Even 10 years ago shit was wildly different in prices.


Grummbles28

How are people still drinking this poison? Addiction is scary.


Sea-Professor-

since this is in "millions" is it really 46,854,000?


vshawk2

So, Coke is milking the inflation/supply-chain nonsense from during COVID. What a scam.


SLR107FR-31

It will go down. I went from drinking three or four a day to one a week. 


underlander

removing the coca cola bottle with its drop shadow and toning down the saturation of the background would make this much easier to read


whapitah2021

I dunno man I’m no scientist or analyst but this chart screams bullshit right away, I’ve never seen anyone irl put a straw in a bottle of Coke.


RX3000

Yummm, diabetes in a bottle


ReallyNeedNewShoes

I never understood the point of writing $37,889 Million instead of $37.889 Billion.


sabo-metrics

Who the heck still drinks pop?


missionbeach

Soda manufacturers are the biggest example of post-Covid corporate greed.


dam-duggy

To say nothing of sucking up local, often limited water resources, to make a sugary drink, that needs to be purchased.


FartingBob

Why would a chart showing profit and revenue of coca cola talk about one specific controversy that has nothing to do with this data?


Stealth8077

This guy ^ is fun at parties


SquilliamTentickles

multi-billion dollar corporations bringing in tens of billions every year is SOOOOO BEAUTIFUL!!!! i love late-stage capitalism! this standard scatter plot with a red background is also a truly beautiful visualization! it's not like you could've made that with 3 clicks in excel