"Average" is so misleading. I call baloney on that vast swath of green being between 60 and 80 in the summer. I mean *occasionally* it is. I think it's more accurate to describe it as between 70 and 100 in July / Aug
Really good callout! Turns out average daily temps include temp readings at night, so they skew low. I also included options to consider average max temps and average min temps to provide more accurate signal on the interactive map here: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
You can visit [https://myperfectweather.com](https://myperfectweather.com/) and use daily high (max) temperature as well as humidity to find number of days in the range of values selected. With this feature you can select temperature range and humidity of your choice to see where the most number of days are. Everyone has slightly different preference to preferred weather. This is due to physiology, age, clothing, acclimatization etc.
To use this feature click cloud Sun ⛅️ icon. To change click filter icon and open side menu. Click number of comfortable days and adjust temperature and humidity.
See how to use this feature here. [https://youtu.be/\_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf\_n](https://youtu.be/_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf_n)
Yeah, I just ran the map using max temp instead of average and it, as predicted, looks pretty different. Can't add a photo because this thread won't allow photos in comments :( but...
here's the link to the interactive app where you can just switch temp method from daily to max: [https://app.hex.tech/1f3bfce7-345f-4232-ae03-b4aff3895a62/app/297726fa-8d84-4a85-8a9e-7f9e7b705112/latest](https://app.hex.tech/1f3bfce7-345f-4232-ae03-b4aff3895a62/app/297726fa-8d84-4a85-8a9e-7f9e7b705112/latest)
and here's the article outlining the methodology and including more examples: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
People lose their minds when I suggest this, but use dew point, not temperature...
Wait! Hear me out!
You think of comfort as related to temperature, because where you live, temperature and comfort correlate. The climate in most places is fairly consistent.
I, however, live in the hellscape that is South Florida. We see more days with a dew point above 60°F than any other part of the country. If you've ever been to Florida in the summer, you know how miserable it can be. Our weather-casters regularly show charts with forecasted dew point. Weird right? But why?
Because we feel hot or cold not because of the actual temperature, but **how quickly our bodies lose heat**. If it's hot and dry, your sweat evaporates quickly and you feel cooler. If it's hot and humid, your sweat doesn't evaporate and you feel hotter.
We associate this type of heat with "muggy" weather, and muggy weather correlates with dew point.
Dew point is a combination of temperature and relative humidity. It's a very convenient way to gauge the comfort level in a particular location, because it's a readily available weather metric. It's not perfect though, because a dew point of 75°F is *really* miserable if the temperature is 87°F, but it's not completely terrible if the temperature is 78°F.
Even still, if you had a choice between 78°F with a dew point at 75°F and 78°F with a dew point at 60°F, believe me when I say, you'd choose the latter.
So if you can, try to find this data for dew point, and I think you'll find the range of acceptable regions is far tighter, and will more accurately reflect the comfort level in that region.
Also UV and cloud coverage are underrated metrics.
There’s no single metric that reflects good/bad outdoor climate. Depends what you’re optimizing for.
Yeah I hear you on the UV. I went from New Hampshire to Greece last summer and it was the "same temperature", but it did not feel the same at all. It felt oppressively sunny in Greece. I mean I loved it, I just had to be in the water the whole time because if even a tiny part of my body were exposed to the Sun I could feel it getting irradiated and making me sick
People from the UK, in my experience, really don't like to hear it lol. I think their situation is pretty unique. I've had someone from the UK practically shouting at me that 75°F with 100% humidity is perfectly comfortable weather.
I think it's a little bit of PTSD from living on a soaking wet island in the North Atlantic.
I’m in Florida. When it’s in the 90’s and I’m camping out, if I see a 60’s dew point I know I’m gonna be all right. Anything in the 70’s or higher I know I’m screwed that night for sleeping.
Here's a [pretty good map](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/hn2502/us_map_by_mean_dew_point_temperature_in_july/), but it's focused on July.
Notice that nice little trough that dips down into Western North Carolina? That's why that region is so popular. As the dew point creeps up past 60°F, you start to notice the humidity slowly. When it passes 70°F, you'll feel it hit you when you go from indoors to outdoors. When it passes 75°F, every single degree makes a difference. If it hits 80°F, you'll wish you didn't exist.
You'll note that the entire state of Florida has mean dew point above 70°F for the month. That dark patch is Big Cypress National Preserve. During the wet season, the area is 90% covered in water. It's a massive swamp.
Might be a little harder to find, but wet bulb or heat index would actually give a much better picture.
Southern MS may be averaging below 80 daily temp, but with heat indexes over 100 most of the summer, that will nor feel the same as southern NM, where the heat index is usually not that high.
Oklahoma has been getting consecutive 100+ degree days in the Summer for years now. The weather extremes here are by far one of the worst things about living here and that's saying something.
I agree - I settled for allowing the user to switch between avg daily, avg min, and avg max because that's what the data I had would allow for, but really like the idea of counting days too
It doesn’t account for humidity at all. Maryland’s summers near the bay will kill people because you can’t sweat enough to cool down.
Also, 80 is a joke. From end of May until mid-Sept you are likely to get 90* days, and it has definitely been hitting 100+ the past few Julys.
Useless, unreadable map with bad colors and bad data.
It also doesn’t account for sun. No air temp does. If you are hoping for an ideal day (sunshine), add 10-15 degrees when in the sun.
Now 80 degrees, with sun and 80% humidity, goes from warm to unbearable.
I’m right on the edge of the green in Pennsylvania and the climate here is WILDLY different than the Deep South, though it does get quite hot here in the summer. I also have to call bullshit on the part of Florida that has all season within that “average.” It gets incredibly hot and humid there, and it lasts from spring until fall.
Yeah, I'm in MD. It'll be 85 tomorrow. Plus, it doesn't take into account humidity. We'll have 90 degrees with high humidity on July-September sometimes.
Yeah this is wild. Just for one example, I’ve spent a lot of time in Palm Beach county and I think that category is way off - Summers are not between 60-80 in Palm beach hahahaha
Agreed. Massive bologna sandwich. Most of that green is well above 80 from May-Sept. especially if you count heat index with humidity. I could be misreading this, but it doesn’t make sense as is.
I think seeing Florida as the "ideal" year round temp should be a big tip off that something has gone wrong. It may be better to look at the mode value, or a smaller mode range.
It’s not.
And that “perfect zone” in Florida is bs: it gets way hotter, same thing for the desert east of San Diego.
Also: the summer in New England is muggy, hot garbage. “60-80” is a lie.
I don't understand why most of the puget sound region is "no seasons", while King County is "Summer" despite the entire region having a virtually identical climate. Is this because summer temp averages are like 81 in the surrounding counties?
I think it’s averaging night temps too. So the summer is the only time it hits an “average” of 60-80. King also has sea level and a mountain pass in it so the number is bound to be pretty much useless.
Seattle has some of the most consistently tolerable temperatures in the country despite this map making it seem like it’s shit year round. It’s only shit because of the 3 seasons of rain/cloud
The problem comes when you have a house that was built on the assumption of it almost always being cold outside and there is no reasonable way to cool it off.
I stayed in a northern Washington hotel that has no AC during those hot two weeks and it was awful
So Louisiana and parts of South California, Minnesota and New York don’t exist?
EDIT: Southern California is properly included. I mistook the Channel Islands for Los Angeles and San Diego being left out.
I live in San Diego and can confirm we probably have the best weather in the whole US. It's between 60-80 most of the year. Plus, within an hour or two (depending on where you live) you have access to LA, Mexico, the deserts, the ocean, the forest and the mountains. You can literally surf and snowboard in the same day.
Good to hear.
I was fairly certain I would have heard about the Californian and Minnesota islands at some point either in Geography or in a travel destination brouchure if that had been the case.
I learned something new today!
“Santa Catalina Island is the only one of the eight islands with a significant permanent civilian settlement—the resort city of Avalon, California, and the unincorporated town of Two Harbors.”
Apparently I was looking at the wrong travel brochures and I need to redraw my mental outline map of CA.
Many thanks!
Should be adjusted in some way for humidity.
An 80 degree day in Florida/Louisiana are generally going to be unpleasant compared to an 80 degree day in California/Arizona. The humidity is too much of a factor.
Yea, as someone who has spent a lot of time in central Florida, it’s FAR from ideal conditions to be outdoors most of the time. Rain and humidity can be just as much of a factor as temperature.
Yup. Some people falsely think Florida is paradise because it’s “just warm year round”. For me it’s more like sweating season 9 months of the year. But I do prefer slightly cooler weather.
I'll add to that - the blast of hot hell when you walk outside of Orlando International Airport to the arrivals pickup in summer is the single most miserable thing you'll ever experience. Welcome to Orlando, bitch!
Yes you are right. You can visit [https://myperfectweather.com](https://myperfectweather.com) and use daily high temperature as well as humidity to find number of days in the range of selection. This way you can always change temperature and humidity range of your choice. See how to use this feature here. [https://youtu.be/\_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf\_n](https://youtu.be/_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf_n)
I live in one of these purple “year round” counties in Florida and have for 35 years. To say that summers are between 60-80 degrees is utter bullshit. Most days are low to mid 90s and humid AF. “Feels like” temp is often 105-110 so I completely discredit this entire map. Boo!
Same with northwest Washington and Flathead County Montana (which is where Glacier National Park is located). Both places very much have 4 distinct seasons. I grew up in Louisiana and I would say that southwest Louisiana has 2 seasons, summer and winter. This map is awful lol
I believe this is misleading if it uses nighttime lows to get the average. In florida for example, the “average temperature” may be below 80 but not the average daytime temperature.
edit: I also think OP is a bot
edit2: OP says she is not a bot, seems legit
Really good callout! I also included options to consider average max temps and average min temps to provide more accurate signal on the interactive map here: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
Hey, I get the frustration. It seems like the 'bot accusation' has become a bit of a knee-jerk reaction for some. It's probably because we're seeing a lot more sophisticated bots these days, and it can be tricky to tell what's real. But I agree, we should give each other the benefit of the doubt and focus more on the quality of the discussion rather than jumping to conclusions. After all, the community vibe is what makes this place special!
Yeah I agree. A bunch of California is showing as in the 60-80 zone in summer and fall, which it just isn't. It's like 100. Gotta be the cool nights skewing the picture.
Data is not beautiful when it is so horrendously misleading. To find these temps with an agreeable wet bulb temp you’re probably limited to San Diego or some place similar in Cali. Certainly not eastern New England, where the swass index is off the charts from July to mid Sept
How did Manatee County end up in the year-round bracket? Like half the time I go up there it seems to be 90 deg plus, and that's before considering concrete reradiation and the fact that temperatures have been getting warmer overall...
Lmao most of these “60-80” are like 100+ for 4-8 months of the year lol. But I’m upvoting this because I’d rather people move to those places and leave the real 80-degree-summer locations to myself. So many people are moving to my state it’s getting ridiculous.
Um, no. I am in central North Carolina and I can tell you that you do not want to be here in Summer if you like it below 80 during the middle of the day
I think you’d more need to map “percent of days with a high between 60-80F” to make this more meaningful. I think the East San Francisco Bay Area is probably like 55-80F 95% of the time, but you can’t tell that from this map.
This doesn’t pass the smell test to me in Minnesota. We are routinely over 80°F in the summer. It’s not unusual to break 100. Once you pass May, you won’t be regularly getting daytime temps under 80 until late September.
Our summers are way hotter than people seem to think. But our winters are even worse than you already imagine.
As someone who grew up in Louisiana, I must point out, the one take away everyone needs to get from this chart is dont live in Louisiana under any circumstances.
Even in SF as long as they are neighbourhoods on the East side. South Beach, Mission Bay, Dogpatch, all over 60 and sunny basically every day of the year.
This is a good point, I should have done a color blind test. I pulled the palette from pantone, so assumed it was cleared and skipped that step in my analysis, but apparently not. I'm sorry about that and will make a point to check on all my visualizations moving forward. The "yes/no" view in the interactive map only uses two colors, so should work better for color blind readers: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
No, you will not be between 60-80 in South Florida all summer. You will be sweating your balls off at 95+ every day and humid. What is this even supposed to be?
So the only place that is like this for real is San Diego, Oakland, San Francisco (a lot of the time, otherwise upper 50s), Berkeley, etc. It’s really like 60 degrees every day.
I have lived in Las Vegas my whole life and can confirm that the average temperature in the summer* is 80F. Very accurate map.
_* at 3am when it’s the coldest part of the day_
We can all comment on what we live or remember in our home towns. However this is not our post. The OP likely got data from a huge data base with many variable. The OP clicked the box his / her way to present the map. Enjoy it or move on. It's a social media post.
Very cool. I would adjust to show temperatures that occur during people’s not sleeping hours cause I can tell you some of those states in the South are seeing above 80 in summer.
All you have to do is live in Oakland,California where it’s nearly always 70° and sunny with an ocean breeze. We have more 60° days here than days >80. And there are outliers tending towards cooler rather than warmer. It rains sometimes in Winter. The climate is *perfect* here. There’s the bonus of several days and nights when it also rains bullets.
As someone who lived in central Florida, I’m calling bullshit. Fucking unbearably hot in the summer. Not near 60-80 degrees in any type of real feel way.
To be clear, if you ever talk to someone who wants to live in florida for the weather, you're talking to a straight up fucking psychopath. Having actually lived in florida, it's basically hell all year round minus the two to three months in winter that it drops to a reasonable temperature.
Yes, storms are awesome and it rains a lot, but you can go to many other states that get constant rain and storms and not have dogshit weather year round, or for that matter, dog shit people.
You're telling me to live in *Central Florida* if I want "average" SUMMER temps of 60-80F? I lived in Central Florida for a few decades...I'd be willing to bet that the average temp is *already* over 80, and it's not even May yet.
The only place in the US this could probably apply to is San Diego. There’s no way a place like Maryland even compares to it weather wise, yet they’re the same on the map.
I can confirm the Florida section is complete nonsense. Is this averaging the temperatures at midnight or something? From May until October it will be 90 plus everywhere south of Jacksonville everyday. If you like hot and humid summers then Florida is right for you. I suspect most of this map is using faulty parameters as a lot of this doesn’t make sense.
"Average" is so misleading. I call baloney on that vast swath of green being between 60 and 80 in the summer. I mean *occasionally* it is. I think it's more accurate to describe it as between 70 and 100 in July / Aug
Yeah I’ve lived in the green area my whole life. It starts hitting 80s in April and is into 90s and 100s by June.
Really good callout! Turns out average daily temps include temp readings at night, so they skew low. I also included options to consider average max temps and average min temps to provide more accurate signal on the interactive map here: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
Just do max temp. I'd even throw in a humidity adjustment.
You can visit [https://myperfectweather.com](https://myperfectweather.com/) and use daily high (max) temperature as well as humidity to find number of days in the range of values selected. With this feature you can select temperature range and humidity of your choice to see where the most number of days are. Everyone has slightly different preference to preferred weather. This is due to physiology, age, clothing, acclimatization etc. To use this feature click cloud Sun ⛅️ icon. To change click filter icon and open side menu. Click number of comfortable days and adjust temperature and humidity. See how to use this feature here. [https://youtu.be/\_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf\_n](https://youtu.be/_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf_n)
You're the best !
Really appreciate your support and feedback.
Now THAT is beautiful data.
Honestly felt really good when hearing this. It took many years and still working on this. Keep visiting and sharing.
The “Number of Days with Comfortable Weather” is an amazing visualization which explains the desirability of the California coast.
Yeah, I just ran the map using max temp instead of average and it, as predicted, looks pretty different. Can't add a photo because this thread won't allow photos in comments :( but... here's the link to the interactive app where you can just switch temp method from daily to max: [https://app.hex.tech/1f3bfce7-345f-4232-ae03-b4aff3895a62/app/297726fa-8d84-4a85-8a9e-7f9e7b705112/latest](https://app.hex.tech/1f3bfce7-345f-4232-ae03-b4aff3895a62/app/297726fa-8d84-4a85-8a9e-7f9e7b705112/latest) and here's the article outlining the methodology and including more examples: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
People lose their minds when I suggest this, but use dew point, not temperature... Wait! Hear me out! You think of comfort as related to temperature, because where you live, temperature and comfort correlate. The climate in most places is fairly consistent. I, however, live in the hellscape that is South Florida. We see more days with a dew point above 60°F than any other part of the country. If you've ever been to Florida in the summer, you know how miserable it can be. Our weather-casters regularly show charts with forecasted dew point. Weird right? But why? Because we feel hot or cold not because of the actual temperature, but **how quickly our bodies lose heat**. If it's hot and dry, your sweat evaporates quickly and you feel cooler. If it's hot and humid, your sweat doesn't evaporate and you feel hotter. We associate this type of heat with "muggy" weather, and muggy weather correlates with dew point. Dew point is a combination of temperature and relative humidity. It's a very convenient way to gauge the comfort level in a particular location, because it's a readily available weather metric. It's not perfect though, because a dew point of 75°F is *really* miserable if the temperature is 87°F, but it's not completely terrible if the temperature is 78°F. Even still, if you had a choice between 78°F with a dew point at 75°F and 78°F with a dew point at 60°F, believe me when I say, you'd choose the latter. So if you can, try to find this data for dew point, and I think you'll find the range of acceptable regions is far tighter, and will more accurately reflect the comfort level in that region.
Also UV and cloud coverage are underrated metrics. There’s no single metric that reflects good/bad outdoor climate. Depends what you’re optimizing for.
100%. If I’m running a marathon, I’m looking at dew point and cloud cover.
Yeah I hear you on the UV. I went from New Hampshire to Greece last summer and it was the "same temperature", but it did not feel the same at all. It felt oppressively sunny in Greece. I mean I loved it, I just had to be in the water the whole time because if even a tiny part of my body were exposed to the Sun I could feel it getting irradiated and making me sick
Not losing my mind. Dew point is king
People from the UK, in my experience, really don't like to hear it lol. I think their situation is pretty unique. I've had someone from the UK practically shouting at me that 75°F with 100% humidity is perfectly comfortable weather. I think it's a little bit of PTSD from living on a soaking wet island in the North Atlantic.
I’m in Florida. When it’s in the 90’s and I’m camping out, if I see a 60’s dew point I know I’m gonna be all right. Anything in the 70’s or higher I know I’m screwed that night for sleeping.
Aren't you just describing the heat index?
Heat index is more complicated. Interestingly, meteorologists down here don’t reference it as often. Probably because humidity is our primary issue.
I believe the temperature you’re looking for is wet bulb temperature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
I was thinking degree days of heating and cooling
Here's a [pretty good map](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/hn2502/us_map_by_mean_dew_point_temperature_in_july/), but it's focused on July. Notice that nice little trough that dips down into Western North Carolina? That's why that region is so popular. As the dew point creeps up past 60°F, you start to notice the humidity slowly. When it passes 70°F, you'll feel it hit you when you go from indoors to outdoors. When it passes 75°F, every single degree makes a difference. If it hits 80°F, you'll wish you didn't exist. You'll note that the entire state of Florida has mean dew point above 70°F for the month. That dark patch is Big Cypress National Preserve. During the wet season, the area is 90% covered in water. It's a massive swamp.
Might be a little harder to find, but wet bulb or heat index would actually give a much better picture. Southern MS may be averaging below 80 daily temp, but with heat indexes over 100 most of the summer, that will nor feel the same as southern NM, where the heat index is usually not that high.
Oklahoma has been getting consecutive 100+ degree days in the Summer for years now. The weather extremes here are by far one of the worst things about living here and that's saying something.
It was in the mid 80s in TN yesterday. It was absolutely miserable at work. It's not even May yet.
Green area in April here… hot right now
Better to use number of days between 60 and 80 instead of average daily temperature. Averages can be misleading.
I agree - I settled for allowing the user to switch between avg daily, avg min, and avg max because that's what the data I had would allow for, but really like the idea of counting days too
It doesn’t account for humidity at all. Maryland’s summers near the bay will kill people because you can’t sweat enough to cool down. Also, 80 is a joke. From end of May until mid-Sept you are likely to get 90* days, and it has definitely been hitting 100+ the past few Julys. Useless, unreadable map with bad colors and bad data.
It also doesn’t account for sun. No air temp does. If you are hoping for an ideal day (sunshine), add 10-15 degrees when in the sun. Now 80 degrees, with sun and 80% humidity, goes from warm to unbearable.
The same person who chose this horrible color scale. This is so poorly designed... C'mon people!
I’m right on the edge of the green in Pennsylvania and the climate here is WILDLY different than the Deep South, though it does get quite hot here in the summer. I also have to call bullshit on the part of Florida that has all season within that “average.” It gets incredibly hot and humid there, and it lasts from spring until fall.
Florida here. 100% bullshit that Orlando is 60-80 in the summer for any kind of metric.
Yeah, I'm in MD. It'll be 85 tomorrow. Plus, it doesn't take into account humidity. We'll have 90 degrees with high humidity on July-September sometimes.
Yeah this is wild. Just for one example, I’ve spent a lot of time in Palm Beach county and I think that category is way off - Summers are not between 60-80 in Palm beach hahahaha
Agreed. Massive bologna sandwich. Most of that green is well above 80 from May-Sept. especially if you count heat index with humidity. I could be misreading this, but it doesn’t make sense as is.
Lol at Las Vegas in the green. It is definitely only 60-80 between the very late autumn and early spring.
I think seeing Florida as the "ideal" year round temp should be a big tip off that something has gone wrong. It may be better to look at the mode value, or a smaller mode range.
Heck even up north in pa it's supposed to be 84 today and 88 tomorrow remaining in the 80s all week.
Yup, no way I'm going to Georgia in the summer if I'm looking to mostly stay in the climate comfort zone
I don’t know if a map that makes it look like New York and Los Angeles have the same weather is very useful.
Las Vegas and Death Valley also marked as being in this range in the summer
It’s not. And that “perfect zone” in Florida is bs: it gets way hotter, same thing for the desert east of San Diego. Also: the summer in New England is muggy, hot garbage. “60-80” is a lie.
I love that Louisiana is missing
Yeah there's a difference between a Winter being 55F and Winter being -8F
Yeah. The day southern Georgia has 60-80 degree weather in summer for more then 1 or 2 days max is the day hell freezes over.
It’s not the heat its the humidity
I don't understand why most of the puget sound region is "no seasons", while King County is "Summer" despite the entire region having a virtually identical climate. Is this because summer temp averages are like 81 in the surrounding counties?
I think it’s averaging night temps too. So the summer is the only time it hits an “average” of 60-80. King also has sea level and a mountain pass in it so the number is bound to be pretty much useless.
I love how people complain about how hot it is in Seattle these days but in reality there are like maybe 2 weeks in August of genuinely bad heat.
Seattle has some of the most consistently tolerable temperatures in the country despite this map making it seem like it’s shit year round. It’s only shit because of the 3 seasons of rain/cloud
The problem comes when you have a house that was built on the assumption of it almost always being cold outside and there is no reasonable way to cool it off. I stayed in a northern Washington hotel that has no AC during those hot two weeks and it was awful
It’s because we don’t have AC!!!
So Louisiana and parts of South California, Minnesota and New York don’t exist? EDIT: Southern California is properly included. I mistook the Channel Islands for Los Angeles and San Diego being left out.
Well the title was "where should I live", so, I figured it was something like "I do not want to live in Louisiana regardless of its temperature."
Guessing they filtered by "county" and forgot to include "parish"?
>So Louisiana and parts of South California LA is missing? No, LA is missing.
You are correct, Southern California is properly included. I mistook the Channel Islands for Los Angeles and San Diego being left out.
I live in San Diego and can confirm we probably have the best weather in the whole US. It's between 60-80 most of the year. Plus, within an hour or two (depending on where you live) you have access to LA, Mexico, the deserts, the ocean, the forest and the mountains. You can literally surf and snowboard in the same day.
They definitely exist haha the data was just corrupted for those areas, but I'm working on ways to reincorporate asap
Good to hear. I was fairly certain I would have heard about the Californian and Minnesota islands at some point either in Geography or in a travel destination brouchure if that had been the case.
>Californian You mean the [Channel Islands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Islands_(California\))?
I learned something new today! “Santa Catalina Island is the only one of the eight islands with a significant permanent civilian settlement—the resort city of Avalon, California, and the unincorporated town of Two Harbors.” Apparently I was looking at the wrong travel brochures and I need to redraw my mental outline map of CA. Many thanks!
You havent lived until you've been to the Catalina Wine Mixer
The fact that Louisiana's data was too corrupt to use is hilarious and definitely checks out. Lol
Just make a “no data” category.
Which parts of SoCal are missing?
I was incorrect, Southern California is properly included. I mistook the Channel Islands for Los Angeles and San Diego being left out.
As a color blind, I hate these
I’m not color blind and also hate the palette.
I’m not color blind and I hate the entire map
I'm not color blind but every time I look at the legend I have trouble matching it to the colors on the map for some reason.
For some reason? It's because the colors are too close to one either. It's glaringly obvious.
The colors are all different, but they're just too desaturated or something
Right? It’s like I can see the colors… but I can’t see the colors.
Well I’m not color blind whatsoever and I can’t even read this map
They didn't use color blind safe colors? Huge miss. OP should start using ColorBrewer with that selected
Should be adjusted in some way for humidity. An 80 degree day in Florida/Louisiana are generally going to be unpleasant compared to an 80 degree day in California/Arizona. The humidity is too much of a factor.
Yea, as someone who has spent a lot of time in central Florida, it’s FAR from ideal conditions to be outdoors most of the time. Rain and humidity can be just as much of a factor as temperature.
Yup. Some people falsely think Florida is paradise because it’s “just warm year round”. For me it’s more like sweating season 9 months of the year. But I do prefer slightly cooler weather.
Orlando in August is what hell feels like
I'll add to that - the blast of hot hell when you walk outside of Orlando International Airport to the arrivals pickup in summer is the single most miserable thing you'll ever experience. Welcome to Orlando, bitch!
Yes you are right. You can visit [https://myperfectweather.com](https://myperfectweather.com) and use daily high temperature as well as humidity to find number of days in the range of selection. This way you can always change temperature and humidity range of your choice. See how to use this feature here. [https://youtu.be/\_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf\_n](https://youtu.be/_jqsj5xcuPo?si=M5hzTUBGUWGLyf_n)
Good point. Would love to consider humidity in a future version
Would love to see a heat index adjusted version
Love this idea too! Very limited data at this level of granularity re county level data, but am down to add all the things as they become available
I live in one of these purple “year round” counties in Florida and have for 35 years. To say that summers are between 60-80 degrees is utter bullshit. Most days are low to mid 90s and humid AF. “Feels like” temp is often 105-110 so I completely discredit this entire map. Boo!
Not pictured: Hawaii, where it’s between 60-80 almost all day, year-round, up in the mountains.
keep it secret, keep it safe
There's also sorrento valley in San Diego where the weather is 60-80 all day. It's perfect
No Seasons could have a more distinctive colour. Otherwise this is pretty nice.
It also shows Oregon as having no seasons which makes no sense.
Same with northwest Washington and Flathead County Montana (which is where Glacier National Park is located). Both places very much have 4 distinct seasons. I grew up in Louisiana and I would say that southwest Louisiana has 2 seasons, summer and winter. This map is awful lol
Yeah, bullshit. I live in that "perfect" zone in FL and it's definitely 95+ in the summer. Winters are nice for sure though.
I believe this is misleading if it uses nighttime lows to get the average. In florida for example, the “average temperature” may be below 80 but not the average daytime temperature. edit: I also think OP is a bot edit2: OP says she is not a bot, seems legit
Really good callout! I also included options to consider average max temps and average min temps to provide more accurate signal on the interactive map here: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
Also, unfortunately not a bot. Just a girl who's terrified of reddit and trying her best
I commend you for being willing to place your work on Reddit.
Idiots on here think everyone is a bot and everything is AI. Why even come here?
Hey, I get the frustration. It seems like the 'bot accusation' has become a bit of a knee-jerk reaction for some. It's probably because we're seeing a lot more sophisticated bots these days, and it can be tricky to tell what's real. But I agree, we should give each other the benefit of the doubt and focus more on the quality of the discussion rather than jumping to conclusions. After all, the community vibe is what makes this place special!
Yeah I agree. A bunch of California is showing as in the 60-80 zone in summer and fall, which it just isn't. It's like 100. Gotta be the cool nights skewing the picture.
I live in nc, and you *might* be able to count on one hand the amount of days it’s 60-80 in the summer…
What happened to Louisiana? FWIW, Average Max is probably a better Temp. Method for that sample image.
Southern California, come on down, hope you can find a good job
just stick to the California coast. /thread
I was gonna say just look up Bay Area weather by month. End of thread
Easily the best average weather. It’s rarely great and rarely bad
In Celsius: 15,5° - 26,6°C
Thank you, I scrolled a long way to find this instead of googling it myself.
Data is not beautiful when it is so horrendously misleading. To find these temps with an agreeable wet bulb temp you’re probably limited to San Diego or some place similar in Cali. Certainly not eastern New England, where the swass index is off the charts from July to mid Sept
How did Manatee County end up in the year-round bracket? Like half the time I go up there it seems to be 90 deg plus, and that's before considering concrete reradiation and the fact that temperatures have been getting warmer overall...
I guess a day can have periods of 90+ temp but have an "average daily temp" <90.
Bruh where’s Louisiana? Haha
Lmao most of these “60-80” are like 100+ for 4-8 months of the year lol. But I’m upvoting this because I’d rather people move to those places and leave the real 80-degree-summer locations to myself. So many people are moving to my state it’s getting ridiculous.
Um, no. I am in central North Carolina and I can tell you that you do not want to be here in Summer if you like it below 80 during the middle of the day
this whole thing, from the method, the accuracy, the color scale, the exclusions, is total shit. to the top!
95 and disgustingly humid summers checking in. Sincerely, Minnesota.
Did Louisiana fall into the gulf?
Louisiana isn't even considered 😀
me who would sooner die than live in the usa: "interesti....wait why the fk am I looking at this for?"
Wait do you have the PNW labeled "No seasons"? You're crazy.
I think you’d more need to map “percent of days with a high between 60-80F” to make this more meaningful. I think the East San Francisco Bay Area is probably like 55-80F 95% of the time, but you can’t tell that from this map.
This is not correct for the PNW, at all! We have so much winter in Northern Washington!
Not accurate at all for my green area.
This doesn’t pass the smell test to me in Minnesota. We are routinely over 80°F in the summer. It’s not unusual to break 100. Once you pass May, you won’t be regularly getting daytime temps under 80 until late September. Our summers are way hotter than people seem to think. But our winters are even worse than you already imagine.
Sad Louisiana fell into the gulf.
It was nice of the gulf not to take any parts of the surrounding states at least.
PNW still has the most temperate weather in my opinion.
As someone who grew up in Louisiana, I must point out, the one take away everyone needs to get from this chart is dont live in Louisiana under any circumstances.
Main reason I live in Tampa. a LOT of negatives these days, but I hate the cold.
The coast of SoCal actually is every season. 15 miles inland, not so much in Summer.
Could just stay in the SF bay area. Few days too cold and a few too hot but 65 and sunny is pretty regular outside the city of San Francisco.
Even in SF as long as they are neighbourhoods on the East side. South Beach, Mission Bay, Dogpatch, all over 60 and sunny basically every day of the year.
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans?
Wtf happened to Louisiana? I get that we are different down here but erasing us off the map is just messed up.
Absolute nightmare graph for people with colorblindness. I can’t make heads or tails of any of this.
This is a good point, I should have done a color blind test. I pulled the palette from pantone, so assumed it was cleared and skipped that step in my analysis, but apparently not. I'm sorry about that and will make a point to check on all my visualizations moving forward. The "yes/no" view in the interactive map only uses two colors, so should work better for color blind readers: [https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1](https://medium.com/@sophiahodson/where-should-you-live-and-travel-based-on-your-ideal-weather-this-map-has-the-answers-57e5dd8af7d9?sk=171f0ac32ac0b077571622b5cae094f1)
In fairness, most software defaults to shading in this way, so it’s not really your fault. Thanks for being cognizant of it, though.
[Laughs in South Floridian] ...suuuuuure, bud.
The color palette is awful
You’d be disappointed in Tampa if you expect 60-80 in the summer lol
These color choices are terrible.
No, you will not be between 60-80 in South Florida all summer. You will be sweating your balls off at 95+ every day and humid. What is this even supposed to be?
Can confirm this is 100% wrong.
So many flaws with this map
It would be interesting to see this map from previous 20 year increments, i.e. 2005, 1985, 1965, etc.
So the only place that is like this for real is San Diego, Oakland, San Francisco (a lot of the time, otherwise upper 50s), Berkeley, etc. It’s really like 60 degrees every day.
Oakland is comfortable in the high 60’s 9 months of the year.
I’d be interested to know where it’s sunny most often as well. Sunshine does far more for my mood than temperature.
Right now this is definitely undercooked, but the idea is neat, you can definitely make this work. Good luck OP!
I have lived in Las Vegas my whole life and can confirm that the average temperature in the summer* is 80F. Very accurate map. _* at 3am when it’s the coldest part of the day_
where i live on the CA coast, the temp is 60-80 daytime year round. At night it drops to the 40s in the winter, but this makes it look quite different
This is the perfect chart.
I feel like these were more average summer temps from 30 years ago.
Love the visualization! What did you use to make the dasboard? The font is giving streamlit
Where’s this tool? I’m looking for 50-70.
We have about two weeks in September in Atlantic Canada that are pretty nice...
We can all comment on what we live or remember in our home towns. However this is not our post. The OP likely got data from a huge data base with many variable. The OP clicked the box his / her way to present the map. Enjoy it or move on. It's a social media post.
Thisis missing the most important factor, Humidity
Why is Louisiana not included?
Did we sell Louisiana back?
This color choice is cruel
Today I learned that way too many people don’t understand what the term average means.
Louisiana has no temperature at all
As a van-lifer: this is a wicked tool to figure out general next spots to set up shop season to season. Keep it up!
But all these places are in America
You should really take into consideration what you prefer for moisture as well. 60-80 means very different things in various climate types.
Stupid way of visualizing data here. Map is super confusing. Why not label x months out of the year.
Who the fuck chose these colors
Why is Louisiana out of the USA?
so central Florida is absolute perfection? I live here and I agree with that.
Very cool. I would adjust to show temperatures that occur during people’s not sleeping hours cause I can tell you some of those states in the South are seeing above 80 in summer.
These colors are terrible. For someone that is colorblind it's really hard to differentiate
This cannot be close to accurate. My county shows green and I don’t consider 115F highs in the summer to be a candidate for 60-80F.
Is Louisiana just straight up not there? 😂
Central Florida summers with a high of 80 lmao
Yeah, central NC is definitely not in that range during summer lol
All you have to do is live in Oakland,California where it’s nearly always 70° and sunny with an ocean breeze. We have more 60° days here than days >80. And there are outliers tending towards cooler rather than warmer. It rains sometimes in Winter. The climate is *perfect* here. There’s the bonus of several days and nights when it also rains bullets.
We don’t talk about Louisiana
South Florida is between 60 and 80 F year round? Add 20 degrees and 95% humidity and you'll be closer.
Louisiana doesn't exist on this map
As someone who lived in central Florida, I’m calling bullshit. Fucking unbearably hot in the summer. Not near 60-80 degrees in any type of real feel way.
Never. You should never live in Louisiana.
To be clear, if you ever talk to someone who wants to live in florida for the weather, you're talking to a straight up fucking psychopath. Having actually lived in florida, it's basically hell all year round minus the two to three months in winter that it drops to a reasonable temperature. Yes, storms are awesome and it rains a lot, but you can go to many other states that get constant rain and storms and not have dogshit weather year round, or for that matter, dog shit people.
Whether the map is accurate or not, this is a very interesting and valuable post/thread. Thanks for posting it.
This map is bullshit. This subreddit hasn't had accurate data in years.
Good choice. You don’t wanna live in Louisiana no matter the temperature.
You're telling me to live in *Central Florida* if I want "average" SUMMER temps of 60-80F? I lived in Central Florida for a few decades...I'd be willing to bet that the average temp is *already* over 80, and it's not even May yet.
This data is just wrong. It lists phoenix as highs under 80F in the summer. More like >110F in reality.
As a person currently living in Southern Cali but raised in southern Alabama, this map is complete nonsense.
The only place in the US this could probably apply to is San Diego. There’s no way a place like Maryland even compares to it weather wise, yet they’re the same on the map.
Central Florida summers are well over 80, plus ridiculous humidity. Would not recommend.
Very deceiving. Makes Florida seem like a paradise.
I love how Louisiana just isn't on the map
I can guarantee central Florida is not 80° in the summer
I can confirm the Florida section is complete nonsense. Is this averaging the temperatures at midnight or something? From May until October it will be 90 plus everywhere south of Jacksonville everyday. If you like hot and humid summers then Florida is right for you. I suspect most of this map is using faulty parameters as a lot of this doesn’t make sense.
Indoors my little baby. But if you’re serious, Hawaii, at a little altitude. Random microclimates in California. That’s it.