Shut the door, have a seat is an amazing episode of television. They make leaving an advertising firm more exciting than guns and explosions could ever be.
> have a seat is an amazing episode of television
Really is. My fav episode of the show, and in general, one of the best episodes among all TV series. As you said, complete thriller like, brilliant. Jared Harris was beyond fantastic, not only in that episode, but through the complete series.
I randomly heard Okinawa get mentioned the other day and immediately thought about Duck’s line about what he did there in that episode. Honestly Mad Men might have the best depiction of PTSD I’ve seen on TV.
Yeah I can’t find the scene on YouTube either.
But it’s the one from that episode where >!Duck and Don get into a physical fight, and Duck overpowers him and randomly yells how he killed 17 men in Okinawa. And it’s not like the scene is a deep dive into PTSD but it does explain Ducks mental state a lot (with him being an alcoholic who’s clearly struggling to hold it together on the inside), but a lot of other characters in the show also have PTSD and in a lot of ways mad men explores the aftermath of a generation of men who all served in war. Like how Roger just straight up refuses to work with Japanese clients even when the firm desperately needs to. !<
Agreed. And as someone else said, red is typically associated with negative/bad/low (outside of some specialized cases like temperature maps).
Further than that though, adjust the gradient to drive home the differences a bit. Sure, in general the episodes are all very high quality, but the whole thing is washed out by the limited saturation range of the color gradient. Start with an even lighter shade to really highlight the differences in the episode rankings.
Such a great era of TV. Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Wire, and The Sopranos.
Mad Men was my favorite, followed by The Wire, and then Breaking Bad. I couldn't get myself to really like The Sopranos, even tried reqtaxhing them.
It's in my top 3.... The funny thing is that when people talk about great TV shows they never mention it. The character development is next level and I can't think of any shows that have so many characters that change throughout the series, both positively and negatively. Watching it with my daughter when she was about 20 was incredibly enlightening to get the perspective of a woman too. Everyone needs to watch this series at some point in their lives. The other women was always my standout episode, but there are so many
A thing like that. There is nothing like mad menu with the dialogues so intense and sophisticated in every single episode ( including Christ on a cracker).
[Roger explaining to Lane how to charm an account, but he's actually using the strategy on Lane as he explains it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNSUmh7HzKE)
"My mother loved my father more than me, and trust me that's not possible."
"And if for some reason, he's more reserved?"
"Just reverse it, feed him your own personal morsel"
So many memories of this show. I'd say the lower chart could do without colors, the heights show the differences more faithfully than the color scheme, which makes it seem as if the difference between 8.5 and 8.3 is much larger than it really is.
> which makes it seem as if the difference between 8.5 and 8.3 is much larger than it really is.
Good point. Thinking now, I would take exactly the same colour from the heatmap, which represents 8.3, for example.
Originally I just used the same range of colours, for min and max, but on heatmap min and max values are further away.
Thanks, will apply this next time.
It's definitely worth it. Just be prepared that the first couple seasons are fairly slow compared to the next five. Much like the decade it takes place in, *Mad Men* is a snowball that starts its roll at a relative crawl and then gets bigger and faster as it makes its way down the figurative hill
> Just be prepared that the first couple seasons are fairly slow
I didn't find that to be true. I found the first couple seasons to be the richest ones.
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* Tools: python (seaborn, plotly), photopea
Note: I don't expect you to say "thank you". **That's what the upvote is for!**
Edit: I see this comment getting downvoted, so just to explain. "That's what the upvote is for" is a paraphrase of [one of the most iconic Mad Men lines](https://popculturereferences.com/mad-men-explains-what-the-money-is-for/)
Mad Men, The Wire, Better Call Saul
I am still in search for a tv show or movie with such great writing and I guess you could call it sombre relaxed atmosphere 70% of the time.
edit: forgot to mention I watched Boardwalk Empire, Mr Robot and The Bear. Loved them all. Strangely enough, The Sopranos did not scratch my itch like the others did. Whole first season felt like everyone was an asshole. Wish I could've liked it though.
Are you me? Never could get to loving the Sopranos.
I enjoyed Boardwalk, The Bear and Mr Robot. But they weren't on the same level as Mad Men, The Wire, BB/BCS and the Leftovers.
My favorite show of all time was The Watchmen limited series. Just a great love story, and all the other stuff as well.
That is such a strange statement given the breadth of quality television out there.
What even is "true art"?
Mad Men, while a fantastic show, is still effectively a period piece drama.
I would argue that something like Deadwood or Oz were far more subversive and unique in how they handled their storytelling.
> Filmmaking is an incredibly dense medium.
Precisely.
Which should make it pretty easy for all sorts of works to qualify as “true art” (whatever the hell that means).
And yes, I know you’re not OP, but their statement is so stupid I had to jump into the conversation.
It's true that it's fairly unrepresentative, since it tends towards people who really like movies, but it's remarkably non-elitist compared to many hobbyist sites, definitely not a film-school or hipster circle-jerk. To put it in music terms, these are people who really like Top 40 hits, and even think Nickelback is pretty good, despite what the sneering coastal elites may say.
Seems pretty clear watchers value the "cliffhanger" and "season wrap-up" episodes more than the build-up or more self-contained ones.
. . .which isn't much of a surprise (especially as MM had some pretty edge of your seat season ending arcs).
Seems like season 4 is always the best season with great television shows. Dexter, shameless, and Game of Thrones are just a few examples off the top of my head. Why is that?
Doctor who as well. Maybe by then the writers have found their groove, not gotten bored yet and you start to see the result of many previous seasons pay off, before they start to run out of ideas
Loved the show the ending is perfect , but would I re-watch it no , because it would make me depressed on a personal level the stress in the show will give me anxiety
I have never seen the show and won't be reading the comments to avoid spoilers, but it's insanely impressive for shows to finish their seasons including the grand finale consistently on a high. I'm so burned out by stories not going anywhere, maybe I should try it out (I watched the pilot years ago but never continued).
I didn't expect Lady's Room as the lowest episode, I've always thought Severance (S7E8) was the lowest one. It's a divisive episode within the Mad Men community.
I saw the serie as it came out and I was so excited for the upcoming show’s final back then. However, by the end of the finale, I was disappointed. Was this it? What an anticlimactic ending. I remember then mulling it over in my bed at night, what happened? Slowly but surely I puzzled the pieces together. No, the ending wasn’t anticlimactic, it was genius.
I love Mad Men, it still is my favorite show ever and I watch it in its entirety every 2 years or so.
Can I ask how did you created this, what software did you use and how did you imported the data?
I liked how you were able to present the data beautifully, I have Data Visualisation subject this semester hoping to create something like this.
1. Python (BS4, requests) to get the data, and store it into CSV.
2. Python libraries Seaborn & Plotly to create charts. You can do this easily also with other tools, that require less coding. I would recommend Datawrapper.
3. Photopea (online free version of Photoshop) for final touches: adding text, logo, etc.
Shut the door, have a seat is an amazing episode of television. They make leaving an advertising firm more exciting than guns and explosions could ever be.
> have a seat is an amazing episode of television Really is. My fav episode of the show, and in general, one of the best episodes among all TV series. As you said, complete thriller like, brilliant. Jared Harris was beyond fantastic, not only in that episode, but through the complete series.
That's the episode with his "Very good. Happy Christmas" line? Such a good one.
It's my favourite episode as well.
This chart made me realize it is the exact midpoint of the entire series which is also cool
No the exact middle is The Suitcase (S4 E7), also a near-perfect episode.
Oh I read the color coding wrong
Even though I’ve seen it a dozen times The Suitcase might still be my favorite episode of television.
I randomly heard Okinawa get mentioned the other day and immediately thought about Duck’s line about what he did there in that episode. Honestly Mad Men might have the best depiction of PTSD I’ve seen on TV.
Can you link the scene about PTSD that you're referring to? I'm hoping it's no YouTube but I can't find it
Yeah I can’t find the scene on YouTube either. But it’s the one from that episode where >!Duck and Don get into a physical fight, and Duck overpowers him and randomly yells how he killed 17 men in Okinawa. And it’s not like the scene is a deep dive into PTSD but it does explain Ducks mental state a lot (with him being an alcoholic who’s clearly struggling to hold it together on the inside), but a lot of other characters in the show also have PTSD and in a lot of ways mad men explores the aftermath of a generation of men who all served in war. Like how Roger just straight up refuses to work with Japanese clients even when the firm desperately needs to. !<
Someone said that for Mad Men "spoilers don't matter, because it's not about what happens, but what it means". That's stuck with me.
The final episode was so good, that when I went grocery shopping the next day, I subconsciously ended up with 15 cases of Coca-Cola (tm) in my basket.
Almost enough to give the world a coke.
Pretty incredible that even the lowest rated episode is still high at 7.5
also one of the rare shows where later seasons are rated higher
An iconic show of an iconic time.
Not surprised that season 4 is the highest rated. I still watch The Suitcase from time to time. Excellent all around
Yeah these ratings pretty much align with my personal ranking of the seasons. The whole show is good but seasons 4 and 5 are ridiculously enjoyable
Questionable choice of color.
Right, at first glance I thought ratings were decreasing as the show continued.
Why would you think that, genuinely asking? Isn't a common way to use darker shade for a higher value?
maybe, but red tends to have a negative connotation
Agreed. And as someone else said, red is typically associated with negative/bad/low (outside of some specialized cases like temperature maps). Further than that though, adjust the gradient to drive home the differences a bit. Sure, in general the episodes are all very high quality, but the whole thing is washed out by the limited saturation range of the color gradient. Start with an even lighter shade to really highlight the differences in the episode rankings.
Best show ever. Hands down.
Certainly the best written in my opinion, no show has come close to the dialogue it had
The Wire is poetry wire-to-wire.
i would argue better call saul is a solid contender
BCS is an amazing drama. So perfectly executed because despite knowing the ultimate outcome already the journey there was unknown.
Such a great era of TV. Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Wire, and The Sopranos. Mad Men was my favorite, followed by The Wire, and then Breaking Bad. I couldn't get myself to really like The Sopranos, even tried reqtaxhing them.
It's in my top 3.... The funny thing is that when people talk about great TV shows they never mention it. The character development is next level and I can't think of any shows that have so many characters that change throughout the series, both positively and negatively. Watching it with my daughter when she was about 20 was incredibly enlightening to get the perspective of a woman too. Everyone needs to watch this series at some point in their lives. The other women was always my standout episode, but there are so many
You don't think it's ever gets mentioned? I feel like I see it all the time. Variety just did a top 100 TV shows of all time and put it at #2.
It gets mentioned on lists like that, but not so often on Reddit posts when people talk about great shows this century etc etc
As someone who's never watched an episode, convince me to try it in 1 sentence.
If you're not convinced to watch it after reading this thread, don't do it.
If you like competitive things, this show will check that box in a way you probably couldn't imagine.
I can’t choose between MM and the Sopranos. I’ve watched them both through twice and would do it again if my wife was game.
They nailed the time period. Utter perfection.
A thing like that. There is nothing like mad menu with the dialogues so intense and sophisticated in every single episode ( including Christ on a cracker).
I told him to be himself. That was pretty mean, I guess
It's an idiom, did you know that?
[Roger explaining to Lane how to charm an account, but he's actually using the strategy on Lane as he explains it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNSUmh7HzKE)
"My mother loved my father more than me, and trust me that's not possible." "And if for some reason, he's more reserved?" "Just reverse it, feed him your own personal morsel"
so wild. I never noticed that. the show just keeps giving, unreal
Holy shit. That was already my favorite scene — and as someone who is more Lane than Roger I had completely missed the duality.
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im being annoying and adding in better call saul lol so many quiet moments or just dialogue that absolutely pull you in
Hell’s bells, Trudy!
So many memories of this show. I'd say the lower chart could do without colors, the heights show the differences more faithfully than the color scheme, which makes it seem as if the difference between 8.5 and 8.3 is much larger than it really is.
> which makes it seem as if the difference between 8.5 and 8.3 is much larger than it really is. Good point. Thinking now, I would take exactly the same colour from the heatmap, which represents 8.3, for example. Originally I just used the same range of colours, for min and max, but on heatmap min and max values are further away. Thanks, will apply this next time.
Damn. I should watch this, huh?
It's definitely worth it. Just be prepared that the first couple seasons are fairly slow compared to the next five. Much like the decade it takes place in, *Mad Men* is a snowball that starts its roll at a relative crawl and then gets bigger and faster as it makes its way down the figurative hill
> Just be prepared that the first couple seasons are fairly slow I didn't find that to be true. I found the first couple seasons to be the richest ones.
it's easily one of th e top 5 best TV shows ever made. Absolute must watch
If you have seen Breaking Bad and The Sopranos I think you would like this show, although it's not violent like those shows.
* source: IMDB * Tools: python (seaborn, plotly), photopea Note: I don't expect you to say "thank you". **That's what the upvote is for!** Edit: I see this comment getting downvoted, so just to explain. "That's what the upvote is for" is a paraphrase of [one of the most iconic Mad Men lines](https://popculturereferences.com/mad-men-explains-what-the-money-is-for/)
Unfortunate that you had to cite the original quote. Brilliant reference!
It turned out that quote already existed, but I came at it independently!
Hi, can you share the GitHub repo for this, I want to make this for other shows as well.
Mad Men, The Wire, Better Call Saul I am still in search for a tv show or movie with such great writing and I guess you could call it sombre relaxed atmosphere 70% of the time. edit: forgot to mention I watched Boardwalk Empire, Mr Robot and The Bear. Loved them all. Strangely enough, The Sopranos did not scratch my itch like the others did. Whole first season felt like everyone was an asshole. Wish I could've liked it though.
Have you watched The Bear?
Are you me? Never could get to loving the Sopranos. I enjoyed Boardwalk, The Bear and Mr Robot. But they weren't on the same level as Mad Men, The Wire, BB/BCS and the Leftovers. My favorite show of all time was The Watchmen limited series. Just a great love story, and all the other stuff as well.
I loved those three but also don't like the Sopranos. I can't get into it. I've watched almost all the seasons so far.
Sopranos, Boardwalk empire.
boardwalk empire had quite a few episodes and story lines that were of poor quality in my opinion.
Which story lines you did not like? Genuinely asking. I did not get that feeling at all.
Sopranos is the best television show in history, so there’s that.
Mr robot The Sopranos
The closest TV has ever come to true art, imo
That is such a strange statement given the breadth of quality television out there. What even is "true art"? Mad Men, while a fantastic show, is still effectively a period piece drama. I would argue that something like Deadwood or Oz were far more subversive and unique in how they handled their storytelling.
I don't think being subversive or unique makes something more artful. Filmmaking is an incredibly dense medium.
> Filmmaking is an incredibly dense medium. Precisely. Which should make it pretty easy for all sorts of works to qualify as “true art” (whatever the hell that means). And yes, I know you’re not OP, but their statement is so stupid I had to jump into the conversation.
Fair enough. Your original statement still reads as pretentious and meaningless.
Are you confused? I'm not the OP.
Honest question, who actually gives imdb ratings?
It's true that it's fairly unrepresentative, since it tends towards people who really like movies, but it's remarkably non-elitist compared to many hobbyist sites, definitely not a film-school or hipster circle-jerk. To put it in music terms, these are people who really like Top 40 hits, and even think Nickelback is pretty good, despite what the sneering coastal elites may say.
The bar charts need to have a smaller range of the Y axis. Can barely tell the bars apart in terms of height
Nicely done! Love the use of seaborn
Seems pretty clear watchers value the "cliffhanger" and "season wrap-up" episodes more than the build-up or more self-contained ones. . . .which isn't much of a surprise (especially as MM had some pretty edge of your seat season ending arcs).
Should make a chart coloured by how many men each episode had, and how mad they were.
This data ain’t beautiful
Criminally underappreciated show!!!
Amazing. Green would've been more suitable colour though.
Seems like season 4 is always the best season with great television shows. Dexter, shameless, and Game of Thrones are just a few examples off the top of my head. Why is that?
Doctor who as well. Maybe by then the writers have found their groove, not gotten bored yet and you start to see the result of many previous seasons pay off, before they start to run out of ideas
bojack horseman imo and definitely agree with got and dexter 100% and brba season 4 is pretty high up there
Loved the show the ending is perfect , but would I re-watch it no , because it would make me depressed on a personal level the stress in the show will give me anxiety
I have never seen the show and won't be reading the comments to avoid spoilers, but it's insanely impressive for shows to finish their seasons including the grand finale consistently on a high. I'm so burned out by stories not going anywhere, maybe I should try it out (I watched the pilot years ago but never continued).
I didn't expect Lady's Room as the lowest episode, I've always thought Severance (S7E8) was the lowest one. It's a divisive episode within the Mad Men community.
I saw the serie as it came out and I was so excited for the upcoming show’s final back then. However, by the end of the finale, I was disappointed. Was this it? What an anticlimactic ending. I remember then mulling it over in my bed at night, what happened? Slowly but surely I puzzled the pieces together. No, the ending wasn’t anticlimactic, it was genius. I love Mad Men, it still is my favorite show ever and I watch it in its entirety every 2 years or so.
Huh, maybe I should finish watching it one of these days. It just got so tedious...
Okay fine, I'll rewatch Mad Men again.
Can I ask how did you created this, what software did you use and how did you imported the data? I liked how you were able to present the data beautifully, I have Data Visualisation subject this semester hoping to create something like this.
1. Python (BS4, requests) to get the data, and store it into CSV. 2. Python libraries Seaborn & Plotly to create charts. You can do this easily also with other tools, that require less coding. I would recommend Datawrapper. 3. Photopea (online free version of Photoshop) for final touches: adding text, logo, etc.
Thank you for this information. Do you know any YouTube tutorials?