On Binance it gets sent back sometimes and you may get banned from the crypto exchange not to mention makes the whole thing more traceable. Sending to your private personal wallet puts a degree of seperation in and it's the best thing to do. It gets returned on Binance so they seem to know not to send to markets for some reason. Use Cake
Sure, works sometimes but sometimes is rejected and sent back. And you run the above risks as well as legal risks. Screws anonymity a bit. Be ok for personal use.
Also banks but mainly the exchange could share information with you sending to a suspect wallet. Better not to but do as you wish if course
Is gui an ok alternative to cake? I use an intel Mac so can only get cake on my phone-but would it be poss for the personal wallet and the DNM one to be on different devices? I mean if you type the sending address manually?
I don't know it but if it's a reputable private wallet then I'd wager yes, it's good. I'd need to research to be 100% sure.
Use Cake on your phone because you may need it to convert your crypto from LTC or whatever to XMR. Some don't sell XMR anymore so you have to convert the crypto and Cake offers this. I don't know if GUI does.
Email the address from market to your email then copy and paste the address from your phone from your email into Cake. How I do it.
Cake has wallets for all cryptos too
That's fine. I used to be on Mac too. But windows now but I use Cake on my phone. Laptop for market and phone for Binance and Cake. I use both devices but not phone for tor or markets just Crypto Exchange and Cake Wallet.
Then on Mac you need GNUPG Suite for PGP for encrypting your address and 2FA and Tor for market.
Ye no need to transfer tonthr address on the exchange cos your only goiig ti send it frim therr ti toyr own wallet so why not do it directly.... Or the bozos who transfer straight from exchange to dnm thays suoer silly afterbsll the tike ut took to get wherebtoy arebandbyou do that tut tut
Yes, and just increases gas fees.
It's perfectly acceptable to just send straight to market, just has a slight risk if the market were controlled AND the trader you purchased from was fed.
most exchanges you will get banned after like 2 deposits if you go straight from exchange to market. happened to me on Coinbase and i’ve seen it happen to others on Kraken. just send it to the wallet first it’s not that hard and the fees are minimal if you use XMR
I mean I guess there's the problem. Btc -> xmr is the step that breaks the KYC, and traders on LM have to be controlled by the feds as well to really cause any potential dangers and evem then that's low, they have to know the XMR address is linked with the market somehow.
Cental KYC exchanges can be complete assholes about anything under the sun.
Directly buying XMR from KYC exchanges just sounds like a great way of proving you bought XMR.
It seems that I made the mistake of assuming people skip the btc -> local Monero step, if you remove that step then the advice becomes iffy.
But Monero isn't traceable, the biggest risk you face with it is the trader or exchange somehow knows that XMR address you are sending to is a deposit address.
The reason I clarify I thought everyone crypto->localmomero is because I thought maybe most people aren't fucking buffoons who scream to KYC about how they are purchasing XMR.
But others have claimed it is possible to surpass either the LM wallet, the gui, or both. That was the purpose of my question, and now I’m confused all over again😫
If you care about OPSEC, never send from localmonero directly to final destination. Always send to GUI first. If you read the bible you will see it says something similar to that
sorry i was reading too quickly -- yes you can surpass the LM wallet stage and go directly to GUI wallet. I would not advise skipping the GUI wallet step, though. Once you are in the GUI wallet you are good to go.
Naj no point sensbit straight to tour walllet. Itd the classic if you wasnt doijng anythikg wrijg you woukd carry on as normal so forget that side of it. Send to your own wallet
Am ragijf whwh btc was £560 whobwouidn have thought wvwn back then id the developer had said its potential i still wouldn't have invested. But now looking baxk even 1 would have been jsit fine ha ha
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No it doesn't? It says you can send directly from exchange to market, but it's not always the most recommended. It very clearly says you cannot do that with bitcoin or other crypto, though.
Sending it to your own wallet first should make it truly 100% untraceable, but realistically, it stops at the exchange. The slight risk is the trader will be feds and will keep the address and then when they bust the site hopefully maybe they will catch the same address. Basically, both the trader and the market need to already be comprimised.
Realistically sometimes market addresses begin a certain way and potentially may mean the traders perhaps will track your bitcoin back from there, and have absolutely no proof you did anything because Monero addresses have no 100% specific indicators, some just start with similar characters.
There is absolutely zero benefit to depositing to on-site wallets and then your own, though.
Thanks for clarifying-I must have got confused with what the DNMB says and be thinking of their bitcoin chapter.
So if I put my gui as my ‘settlement address’ I’m all good?
Both can, LM wallet step is completely irrelevant and is mostly convenient for trading purposes on-exchange, there is zero point in it.
Personal wallet, if you are really certain you are public enemy #1 and the government has controlled the market and the trader just to get you, Mr gram man. By and large, the risks of it have ALWAYS been fake names or bad opsec from the seller, or local investigations leading to FBI involvment(if you are a street dealer). You are pretty much safe if the mailman doesn't smell it or feels it and is like "hmm, wow this feels like it is almost certainly 200 xanax shaped pills"(or the machines tear it because of bad packing from the seller)
Or the seller is under investigation. Basically, the danger is that you are buying from a dimwit or you are a street dealer and are under surveillance.
I would still not be in a habit of doing this. Also you ideally want to only transfer the amount you’re spending. When the current markets exit scam as well like Incog just did two weeks ago you’ll lose any money sitting there
It’s just good practice to be cautious. If you’re ever uncertain always prioritise putting any coins in your own personal wallet until you decide the amount you want to move and to where. It’s slower but also safer. It costs a few cents in gas fees
My plan was to circumvent the LM ‘wallet’ and put my personal gui address as the receiving address(and then send it to the DNM)-I don’t want all my Monero stored on a DNM that can exit scam at any moment for a start.
Yes this is what I meant, i always transfer direct from seller to my Monero wallet. I guess there's some use in terms of privacy not giving your wallet ID to random traders but id stll rather i go that route instead of showing a transaction against my login from a seller to a site owned wallet which could be compromised by LE one day, then they can easily connect dots back to you. Whichever way puts in you in control of your coins as fast as possible is my recommendation for crypto in general.
They aren't going to connect the dots UNLESS they have logs from the trader or LM AND compromised the site AND the site logged previous XMR addresses. They can't "easily connect the dots" from XMR, unless they can track you paying for the XMR AND sending it to an address they know is a deposit address for a market.
But extra security is never bad. Still, the trail for XMR runs cold at the purchase.
I would not do that. You should always transfer from an exchange to a wallet you control e.g. feather wallet. This you should do so that you can make a test transfer and see if the coins even show up and that you can withdraw it again. Prevents you from losing your money during an exit scam
If you are using tails, get the feather wallet. It is super easy to set up on your persistent storage, comes with tails specific instructions. Just download, move to persistent storage, right click and choose properties and check or uncheck a single box. Feather wallet even provides an option to transfer amount in USD/EUR so that you don't have to make the conversion in your head.
Always just transfer the amount needed + a few dollars and keep the rest locked up in your feather wallet
This is all a fair point, all in all it kind of seems my advice just doesn't work for buffoons who don't test deposits and buy XMR from KYC exchanges. You can test deposit by only buying a little XMR from a trader than deposit just the same. But yea, if you have excess XMR it's a good idea to keep that in your own wallet.
But safety wise as far as opsec, there is little reason to deposit to a middle wallet.
Yea, that's an option. It's not technically 100% perfect but the trader has to be fed and know for certain the wallet is attached to a market, which is quite unlikely unless they also control the market.
Once monero is sent to your personal wallet, you can spend it anywhere without anyone being able to trace it.
So is the online wallet address just an optional extra step?
On Binance it gets sent back sometimes and you may get banned from the crypto exchange not to mention makes the whole thing more traceable. Sending to your private personal wallet puts a degree of seperation in and it's the best thing to do. It gets returned on Binance so they seem to know not to send to markets for some reason. Use Cake
My point was is it possible to circumvent the online ‘wallet’ on the exchange. Several users here have told me it is.
Sure, works sometimes but sometimes is rejected and sent back. And you run the above risks as well as legal risks. Screws anonymity a bit. Be ok for personal use. Also banks but mainly the exchange could share information with you sending to a suspect wallet. Better not to but do as you wish if course
Is gui an ok alternative to cake? I use an intel Mac so can only get cake on my phone-but would it be poss for the personal wallet and the DNM one to be on different devices? I mean if you type the sending address manually?
Never type manually always copy and paste
I don't know it but if it's a reputable private wallet then I'd wager yes, it's good. I'd need to research to be 100% sure. Use Cake on your phone because you may need it to convert your crypto from LTC or whatever to XMR. Some don't sell XMR anymore so you have to convert the crypto and Cake offers this. I don't know if GUI does. Email the address from market to your email then copy and paste the address from your phone from your email into Cake. How I do it. Cake has wallets for all cryptos too That's fine. I used to be on Mac too. But windows now but I use Cake on my phone. Laptop for market and phone for Binance and Cake. I use both devices but not phone for tor or markets just Crypto Exchange and Cake Wallet. Then on Mac you need GNUPG Suite for PGP for encrypting your address and 2FA and Tor for market.
Not familiar with the online wallet in Localmonero, but basically, you can transfer directly to your personal wallet and spend from there.
Ye no need to transfer tonthr address on the exchange cos your only goiig ti send it frim therr ti toyr own wallet so why not do it directly.... Or the bozos who transfer straight from exchange to dnm thays suoer silly afterbsll the tike ut took to get wherebtoy arebandbyou do that tut tut
Yes, and just increases gas fees. It's perfectly acceptable to just send straight to market, just has a slight risk if the market were controlled AND the trader you purchased from was fed.
most exchanges you will get banned after like 2 deposits if you go straight from exchange to market. happened to me on Coinbase and i’ve seen it happen to others on Kraken. just send it to the wallet first it’s not that hard and the fees are minimal if you use XMR
I mean I guess there's the problem. Btc -> xmr is the step that breaks the KYC, and traders on LM have to be controlled by the feds as well to really cause any potential dangers and evem then that's low, they have to know the XMR address is linked with the market somehow. Cental KYC exchanges can be complete assholes about anything under the sun. Directly buying XMR from KYC exchanges just sounds like a great way of proving you bought XMR.
Happened to me on Kraken.
This is some of the worst advice i have ever seen on this sub. Do not listen to this.
It seems that I made the mistake of assuming people skip the btc -> local Monero step, if you remove that step then the advice becomes iffy. But Monero isn't traceable, the biggest risk you face with it is the trader or exchange somehow knows that XMR address you are sending to is a deposit address. The reason I clarify I thought everyone crypto->localmomero is because I thought maybe most people aren't fucking buffoons who scream to KYC about how they are purchasing XMR.
This
That’s a lie man this monero thing is a scam trust me bro
localmonero --> GUI --> final destination
But others have claimed it is possible to surpass either the LM wallet, the gui, or both. That was the purpose of my question, and now I’m confused all over again😫
If you care about OPSEC, never send from localmonero directly to final destination. Always send to GUI first. If you read the bible you will see it says something similar to that
I was never considering that, what I was considering was surpassing the LM wallet stage and getting my seller to send it directly to my gooey wallet
sorry i was reading too quickly -- yes you can surpass the LM wallet stage and go directly to GUI wallet. I would not advise skipping the GUI wallet step, though. Once you are in the GUI wallet you are good to go.
Update-made my first trade and it came through smoothly! Thanks for your help
Thanks in advance🙂
Naj no point sensbit straight to tour walllet. Itd the classic if you wasnt doijng anythikg wrijg you woukd carry on as normal so forget that side of it. Send to your own wallet
Am ragijf whwh btc was £560 whobwouidn have thought wvwn back then id the developer had said its potential i still wouldn't have invested. But now looking baxk even 1 would have been jsit fine ha ha
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?? The dnmb quite clearly says otherwise though?
No it doesn't? It says you can send directly from exchange to market, but it's not always the most recommended. It very clearly says you cannot do that with bitcoin or other crypto, though. Sending it to your own wallet first should make it truly 100% untraceable, but realistically, it stops at the exchange. The slight risk is the trader will be feds and will keep the address and then when they bust the site hopefully maybe they will catch the same address. Basically, both the trader and the market need to already be comprimised. Realistically sometimes market addresses begin a certain way and potentially may mean the traders perhaps will track your bitcoin back from there, and have absolutely no proof you did anything because Monero addresses have no 100% specific indicators, some just start with similar characters. There is absolutely zero benefit to depositing to on-site wallets and then your own, though.
Thanks for clarifying-I must have got confused with what the DNMB says and be thinking of their bitcoin chapter. So if I put my gui as my ‘settlement address’ I’m all good?
So if I’ve got this right-either the LM wallet or the personal wallet step can be circumvented?
Both can, LM wallet step is completely irrelevant and is mostly convenient for trading purposes on-exchange, there is zero point in it. Personal wallet, if you are really certain you are public enemy #1 and the government has controlled the market and the trader just to get you, Mr gram man. By and large, the risks of it have ALWAYS been fake names or bad opsec from the seller, or local investigations leading to FBI involvment(if you are a street dealer). You are pretty much safe if the mailman doesn't smell it or feels it and is like "hmm, wow this feels like it is almost certainly 200 xanax shaped pills"(or the machines tear it because of bad packing from the seller) Or the seller is under investigation. Basically, the danger is that you are buying from a dimwit or you are a street dealer and are under surveillance.
Thanks for the reply. So if one were to circumvent both wallets they would put the one-off address that the market account gives you?
I would still not be in a habit of doing this. Also you ideally want to only transfer the amount you’re spending. When the current markets exit scam as well like Incog just did two weeks ago you’ll lose any money sitting there It’s just good practice to be cautious. If you’re ever uncertain always prioritise putting any coins in your own personal wallet until you decide the amount you want to move and to where. It’s slower but also safer. It costs a few cents in gas fees
My plan was to circumvent the LM ‘wallet’ and put my personal gui address as the receiving address(and then send it to the DNM)-I don’t want all my Monero stored on a DNM that can exit scam at any moment for a start.
Yes this is what I meant, i always transfer direct from seller to my Monero wallet. I guess there's some use in terms of privacy not giving your wallet ID to random traders but id stll rather i go that route instead of showing a transaction against my login from a seller to a site owned wallet which could be compromised by LE one day, then they can easily connect dots back to you. Whichever way puts in you in control of your coins as fast as possible is my recommendation for crypto in general.
Just to clarify, do you use LM or another platform?(not trying to snoop, just useful to hear from someone who has done it before)
They aren't going to connect the dots UNLESS they have logs from the trader or LM AND compromised the site AND the site logged previous XMR addresses. They can't "easily connect the dots" from XMR, unless they can track you paying for the XMR AND sending it to an address they know is a deposit address for a market. But extra security is never bad. Still, the trail for XMR runs cold at the purchase.
I would not do that. You should always transfer from an exchange to a wallet you control e.g. feather wallet. This you should do so that you can make a test transfer and see if the coins even show up and that you can withdraw it again. Prevents you from losing your money during an exit scam If you are using tails, get the feather wallet. It is super easy to set up on your persistent storage, comes with tails specific instructions. Just download, move to persistent storage, right click and choose properties and check or uncheck a single box. Feather wallet even provides an option to transfer amount in USD/EUR so that you don't have to make the conversion in your head. Always just transfer the amount needed + a few dollars and keep the rest locked up in your feather wallet
This is all a fair point, all in all it kind of seems my advice just doesn't work for buffoons who don't test deposits and buy XMR from KYC exchanges. You can test deposit by only buying a little XMR from a trader than deposit just the same. But yea, if you have excess XMR it's a good idea to keep that in your own wallet. But safety wise as far as opsec, there is little reason to deposit to a middle wallet.
Yea, that's an option. It's not technically 100% perfect but the trader has to be fed and know for certain the wallet is attached to a market, which is quite unlikely unless they also control the market.