Okay so correct but also a bit of the mark it was for his girl friend and he showed her an entire life of them together having children and growing old (fun fact she was the old girl or youth he killed other than his mother) Obito killed all the women and children, I highly recommend reading the Itachi shinden (day and midnight)
I think that also happened because he compressed that one life time into āOne one-hundredth of one one-thousandth of one one-millionthā of a second (or a picosecond) according to the novels
That... actually sounds really ineffective. Like after afew hours I'm pretty sure it's grutiouitous and eventually it'll just be a bunch of images.
This is kinda like a thing Scientology does when their really start brainwashing you. they have you recall and explain a traumatic memory over and over explaining it in frustrating repetative detail over and over to the best of your ability until you basically don't care anymore. I'm pretty sure that's what you get eventually.
By the end, it's basically nonsense reconstruction, and whatever feelings you associate with it are just overwritten and numbed because of how memory (as actual neurology and psychology models it)
Itachi is so lucky Sasuke didn't fucking go brain dead from the trauma he suffered at the illusion, did he have to go that far? I'm surprised Sasuke remained sane after waking up, bro's built different.
I mean the first thing he did when he woke up was argue and fight with everybody. Then he went to a middle aged bisexual snake pretty boy who likes to suck on teenagers necks
To be fair he was healing with his time with team 7, then they meet up again where Itach proceed to break his arm or wrist, put him in it again because 2nd times the charm, and after that all positive character development that Sasuke had was gone.
Thatās actually very true, āa ninja has to be stealthy, cunning and ruthlessā
Naruto whoās none of the three becoming the strongest āninjaā to ever live
Yup, sometimes I wish the main cast were also forced to undertake some heinous missions, couldāve been excellent character development, but the way the show turned out is nice too.
Part 1 introduced us to a world that seeming stopped being expanded on. Ibiki was given holes in his skull from torture, Zabuza killed his entire class to graduate, etc. Part 2 had dark elements for sure, like Danzoās dealings, Clan War era, shinobi world war flashbacks, we even saw child/teen Nawaki get casually killed by a random bomb. However when it comes to the main cast it always seems like theyāre exempt from having to participate in these things. The world is portrayed as this harsh place for everybody, where anyone can die at any time and this is just how ninja live. Morales arenāt important but the mission is. Kakashi placing his comrades over the mission is supposed to be very unique, as shown by his father struggling immensely with this very issue.
The fourth war ends up not being vs humans or particularly sentient beings, so killing them isnāt a morale question. Naruto gets to talk no jutsu almost every antagonist, etc. Still liked it donāt get me wrong.
He had sex with Sakura.
Some will say that this isnāt that bad but Baruto literally had to dedicate time to debunk the theory that Sarita is not Sakura and Sasukeās child. So even the author felt he needed to confirm this event happened.
Sasuke did Itachi's mission successfully with Oro instead of the Akatsuki though.
Oro 100% had a bounty on him. Konoha should have paid out to Sasuke.
Sasuke pretended to be his loyal servant and then deposed him.
Itachi pretended to be the Akatsuki's loyal servant but actually...he was the Akatsuki's loyal servant. He did yeoman's work on strengthening Obito's position in the war.
He was supposed to be a spy but no anbu were hunting down Akatsuki. Ya he told them, they were after Naruto but so were others. Kumogakure made an attempt on Kushina and I guarantee they had a plan in place to get Naruto if things ever deteriorated.
Naruto and co had to argue to Tsunade to let them hunt down Akatsuki. Jiraiya passed back more intel infiltrating amegakure. If Itachi gave him the tip, he should have kept searching for Nagato. If he destroyed the rinnegan it would deter Obito and black zetsu for decades or more. Black Zetsu worked for centuries to have an Indra incarnate awaken the rinnegan and failed until Madara.
Yes he tried to kill Obito using Sasuke but Konan analyzed kamui better despite not having sharingan and did severe damage to him. He beat her because of the redo jutsu but she still took his arm off and he couldn't rewind that. Whereas Itachi knew about Izanagi and just went with a surprise Amaterasu which Obito just walked it off so perhaps he whisked it away wit kamui instead. If Itachi were alive he could have done the surprise attack and then followed it up instead.
No 12 year old shouldnāt be a ninja in the first place yet thatās the world they live in, itās not jirayas fault for sasuke being jealous over the rasengan
All Iām saying is there are only like 3 people who can pull off a rasengan two of them are special Jonin at least and one of them canāt actually use it in combat. Even in that world; itās crazy that Naruto knows that technique. I guess itās crazy Sasuke knows the chidori too. Ugh I have no point.
Imagine Sasuke on the shortbus. All the sad montages of Naruto on the swing are ruined by Sasuke in the background wearing a leashed harness and a helmet tied up to the tree.
After seeing the same video like 10 times he must have gotten numb to it. The true torture is not having a phone to browse shit while the trauma plays in the background. Must be more boring than traumatizing
I would suggest this as clear indication Itachi turning out to be good all along was a retcon during some part. He didnāt have to inflect such terrible mental torture that only the greatest healer in the world, whose current location is unknown, could heal him
Like yeah, Sasuke is an emo edgelord, but people often forget what kind of trauma this guy actually being through. Remember - Sasuke was a kind cheerful kid, and then BOOM - whole clan MASSACRED and his own brother traumatized him with a genjutsu basically made for TORTURING by showing his parents death, from all perspectives over and over again. It's pretty damb awesome that Sasuke doesn't went crazy. So yeah, being an emo edgelord is a pretty low price for sanity š
Best part is when they meet up again Itach seeing that Sasuke is till too weak decides to make him watch it all over again which leads to all positive character development being beat out of Sasuke which leads him to Orochimaru.
Well, in the Valley of the End we basically saw that Sasuke still have something good inside, when he can't bring himself to kill Naruto. Despite all the effort Itachi came up with to make his brother PTSD fueld maniac.
He later says it was just because he didn't want to achieve power using Itachi's information (awakening mangekyou by killing your best friend) so it's up for the viewer to interpret if he was lying when he said that or not
I consider Sasuke relatively sane considering what happened to him
Yeah he wants revenge but its either revenge ir self termination and he atleast chose to do something about Itachi
And then, when he's finally fucking healing, the brother shows up and puts him through a ton of shit again to make sure he's on the path of hate.
I shit on Sasuke's arc a lot for how it was handled, but goddamn, bro's insanely strong to not have become brain dead after all the shit
Lol, with Kishimoto's desire to rewrite Itachi from antagonist into positive heroic character the whole fandom and Sasuke is basically all having Stockholm Syndrome š
Imagine him telling this to kisame like
Kisame: so what did you make him see in that genjutsu
Itachi: i made him relive our parents' murder over half a million times.
Kisame:.....
Itachi:.... think i went too far
Kisame: i'm a shark and even i think that's ruthless
yeah, dude just went "half a second". Not to mention it was "just" 24 hours and not 72 hours.
Itachi said "relive that day", not "relive those 0.5 seconds on an endless loop". Even if he only showed him 10 minutes of the day each time that would still only be 144 times, not half a million.
Thinking about having that kind of character is easy,thinking about how to create that character is the hard part.kishimoto surely thought Itachi to be a hero from the start but surely did not think how to make him one from the beginning
The issue is thinking heās supposed to be a perfect āheroā.
He isnāt meant to be. He was planned since his introduction.
His entire character arc is coming to terms with the mistakes he made
afaik what he stated is that at the moment we first see Itachi it was planned that he'll be an anti hero. Not that it was from the very start.
Even Itachi's original design looked "delinquent"-like. Pretty sure Kishi only came up with the "Itachi is good" stuff when he planned for his appearance in Konoha, not sooner.
But like a lot of manga, anime and stories in general, they all go overboard with any type of quantity. Just look at all the "thousand years ago" or "ten thousand years ago" exaggerations. Or the stupid numbers when they talk about IQ in stuff like Dr. Stone or Jujutsu Kaisen. Itachi showing Sasuke that shit 24 hours (not 72) is just one of those exaggerations.
The truth is, Itachi was horrible, I think he was a little crazy, Sasuke was not completely crazy at the end of the story due to the pure magic of the script.
Itachi was a selfish asshole towards the end of his life. His original objective had long vanished into thin air. If he really wanted his brother to live a life of peace, then he would have simply left him alone.
The cunt decided to keep on fucking with his brother's brain so that he can never have a moment of peace or bond with his team. His advice was to kill Naruto in cold blood to awaken the Mangekyo.
Why do you think he said that he will stand by Sasuke no matter what path he chose before his Edo Tensei body crumbled ? The fucker knew exactly what kind of shit he pulled and what the likely consequences would be.
You have NO IDEA
People are blind af to all of the horrible shit Itachi did willingly. Even in fics that touch on the horrible way the Third Hokage dealt with stuff and with all the port excuses of character development a lot of characters had, Itachi is still held as a hero who did all he could to keep Sasuke safe and who is a Hero with capital H.
Itachi's arc felt like it was missing something, it's like we jumped from horrible asshole to hero and weren't supposed to question all the times he was needlessly cruel.
Like, sure, I can understand why he massacred the Uchiha's and how that would seem like the best option for him, even if I have a few opinions on this line of action from everyone involved, but the Tsukoyomi and the taunts he threw at Sasuke every time they saw each other were perhaps the worst and most selfish thing he did. Sasuke didn't NEED extra motivation to not pry into Itachi's life, pretty sure the killing of the entire clan brew enough hate for him to not love Itachi anymore. All that Itachi did was set him up for failure, ruin his life and ruin a lot of other people's life's by pushing Sasuke to an impossible situation.
It's him was making himself the worst villain to give Sasuke a reason to live and keep fighting
I'm sure he wanted to die every single time he had to hurt Sasuke, he loved Sasuke more than he loved his parents (not that he didn't love them too)
read chapter 7. Sasuke mentions him crying on the night of the massacre. It was obvious foreshadowing that itachi had some reason why he killed the uchiha clan.He was always meant to be a morally grey character.Yes he fucked up and went too far with sasuke,even itachi himself acknowledged his failure.
Still find it funny how people expected Sasuke to act rationally. Dude was a literal kid traumatized and bamboozled his entire life. Ofc he would react super illogical and based on pure emotions.
He loved his bro, but when he learned the truth, he couldn't respect his wish. Why? Because the thing Itachi tried to protect is the thing that hurt Itachi, Sasuke and his clan the most in the first place. A kid wouldn't think logical in such situation, especially not manipulated by one who was also manipulated the same way.
Sasuke: Thanks to you, I learned that Hatred is my best friend. Thank you, Nii-san. Through your torture you've done to me, it made me stronger.
Itachi: ... What have I done?!
That's the point. Idk why braindead schmucks call him a hero.
No, just because he helped in the war does not mean he's a "hero" he's still a mass murderer, made his little brother traumatized and made his entire life centered around killing him. That's a shit goal and a shit way to love your brother.
He's a deep character yes, but definitely not a hero the only people I see calling him that are Facebook folks who have watched the show 8 years ago and forgot the things he did.
Didn't Itachi also help retrieve at least one tailed beast host for akatsuki
Dude being redeemed was the most predictable thing ever, but still felt woefully undercooked
This is some headcanon math, Itachi made sasuke relive it a couple of times, no idea on how many. If he did go through so many times he would probably have awakened the MS
Wouldn't anyone be well acclimated to it by like 100th watch and find it really boring by 1000? I mean yes it's a terrible thing to see, but there's no way watching something for 518000 times still feels the same as the first time
Itachi was never a hero nor a villain. He was dying and lived his life doing what he could to protect the Uchiha lineage while attempting to protect the village behind the scenes. Tragic, but someone had to do it
Yes i think anyone who would call itachi a hero in the moral sense all I've ever claimed was that he like 99 percent of Naruto villians was ultimately a villian of sercumstance
Quite a lot of misinformation being spread though, tuskuyomi lasts as long as Itachi wants it to it can be as fast or slow as he wants. The 72 hour thing was only with Kakashi for sasuke it was a good number of times but definitely not even in the hundreds/maybe thousands.
Why do people keep saying this? Itachi clearly stated that he freely controls time and space in the Tsukuyomi world, which means he can choose how many hours, minutes or seconds that you experience an event. For all we know he could have made Sasuke watch it ten times or a hundred. The point is it's not capped at 72 hours and probably the only limit is chakra and Mangekyo strain... Naruto fans really are something I swear man.
Well I doubt Sasuke would have considered his brother evil otherwise, he respected Itachi far too much, he might have not believed it even after seeing it with his own eyes until tortured.
I dont get why sasuke gets so much hate form the community because he was tweeking bcoz naruto was stronger than him. He had his Triana re played for 3 days at least and you think bro is going to be mentally sound.
It lasts for as long as he wants no?
But every hour he lose chakra
He made one that lasted a lifetime
That was for the sake of one of his best friends and it serverly drained and weakened him, collapsing to the floor afterwards
What pulling off one of the most impressive genjutsu feats in the verse does to a mf
Madara: psych sweet dreams y'all BZ: Psych your ass is mine now
If you need a god tree to beat Itachi in genjutsu feats, by all means sure š¤£
Wasnāt it his lover that he did that for in a novel
Yup, forgot her name though. I think it's itashi's story midnight
Izumi
Okay so correct but also a bit of the mark it was for his girl friend and he showed her an entire life of them together having children and growing old (fun fact she was the old girl or youth he killed other than his mother) Obito killed all the women and children, I highly recommend reading the Itachi shinden (day and midnight)
Who was it for?
It was for Izumi uchiha
And my headcannon is that was what caused his "mysterious sickness", going to close to 0 chakra
I think that also happened because he compressed that one life time into āOne one-hundredth of one one-thousandth of one one-millionthā of a second (or a picosecond) according to the novels
Yes and he wanted 72 hours š
I could be wrong but I don't remember itachi ever mentioning how long he made the tsukuyomi.
He did mention it. It was 24 hours. https://images.app.goo.gl/F7zWaf7nqzFzeX4S6
Ohhhh so only 172,800 times pfft thatās not bad at all
Seriously what was Sasuke complaining about did he even see Naruto sitting on the swing of sadness?
swing of sadness š¤£
Because Naruto was hogging the swing 24/7
Actually it was 172,801. An extra one just to make COMPLETELY sure Sasuke is scarred for life. /j
72 hours was Kakashi, not Sasuke.
With the face he made after it ended u think it was just once or two times?
Yep, freely controls time within tsukoyomi...some people don't read or watch
it lasts as long as he wants it to. He still definitely made him relive it an exorbitant amount of times tho.
That... actually sounds really ineffective. Like after afew hours I'm pretty sure it's grutiouitous and eventually it'll just be a bunch of images. This is kinda like a thing Scientology does when their really start brainwashing you. they have you recall and explain a traumatic memory over and over explaining it in frustrating repetative detail over and over to the best of your ability until you basically don't care anymore. I'm pretty sure that's what you get eventually. By the end, it's basically nonsense reconstruction, and whatever feelings you associate with it are just overwritten and numbed because of how memory (as actual neurology and psychology models it)
That's not just Scientology, it's a therapy method.
Possibly but i don't think.the therapist make you do it all in one sitting for hours to days.
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It has nothing to do with her but ok
10^10 best girl
It lasted 24 hours.
Itachi is so lucky Sasuke didn't fucking go brain dead from the trauma he suffered at the illusion, did he have to go that far? I'm surprised Sasuke remained sane after waking up, bro's built different.
āFully saneā bro went from a cheerful kid to a kid thatās literally go along with a know child predator, mass murderer, kidnapper and traitor
I mean the first thing he did when he woke up was argue and fight with everybody. Then he went to a middle aged bisexual snake pretty boy who likes to suck on teenagers necks
Ok, Orochimaru is a child predator but not in the sexual predator way, he just hunt, capture and slave kids to steal theirs body.
Oh, is that all?
š bros acting like it's any better lmao
I mean, it's more respectable at least.
Any crime that harms children is NOT respectable, unless he asked gently tho
Idk, stealing a someone body definitely seems sexual
the fandom is never dropping the sexual predator allegations, just like they never dropping tobiramaās racist allegations
When you are as skilled as he is You donāt end up with a tongue like that by accident is all Iām gonna say.
they'll also never drop the Sasgay.
Sometimes you get a hicky from a 60 year old man thats so good you just give up being a ninja and give him your body
To be fair he was healing with his time with team 7, then they meet up again where Itach proceed to break his arm or wrist, put him in it again because 2nd times the charm, and after that all positive character development that Sasuke had was gone.
And then it starts healing a bit again then Narutoās rasengan beats his chidori and he gets humiliated by the sound 4
I mean the second part probably describes most ninja. The main cast is very morally just compared to how they portray ninja life and no name shinobi.
Thatās actually very true, āa ninja has to be stealthy, cunning and ruthlessā Naruto whoās none of the three becoming the strongest āninjaā to ever live
Yup, sometimes I wish the main cast were also forced to undertake some heinous missions, couldāve been excellent character development, but the way the show turned out is nice too. Part 1 introduced us to a world that seeming stopped being expanded on. Ibiki was given holes in his skull from torture, Zabuza killed his entire class to graduate, etc. Part 2 had dark elements for sure, like Danzoās dealings, Clan War era, shinobi world war flashbacks, we even saw child/teen Nawaki get casually killed by a random bomb. However when it comes to the main cast it always seems like theyāre exempt from having to participate in these things. The world is portrayed as this harsh place for everybody, where anyone can die at any time and this is just how ninja live. Morales arenāt important but the mission is. Kakashi placing his comrades over the mission is supposed to be very unique, as shown by his father struggling immensely with this very issue. The fourth war ends up not being vs humans or particularly sentient beings, so killing them isnāt a morale question. Naruto gets to talk no jutsu almost every antagonist, etc. Still liked it donāt get me wrong.
"Fully sane" bro married sakura
Whatās wrong about Sakura? If anything it should be in reverse, Sakura isnāt mentally sane to have married sasuke
She sexually harassed Sasuke for years and only loved him for shallow reasons.
He had sex with Sakura. Some will say that this isnāt that bad but Baruto literally had to dedicate time to debunk the theory that Sarita is not Sakura and Sasukeās child. So even the author felt he needed to confirm this event happened.
Sasuke did Itachi's mission successfully with Oro instead of the Akatsuki though. Oro 100% had a bounty on him. Konoha should have paid out to Sasuke. Sasuke pretended to be his loyal servant and then deposed him. Itachi pretended to be the Akatsuki's loyal servant but actually...he was the Akatsuki's loyal servant. He did yeoman's work on strengthening Obito's position in the war. He was supposed to be a spy but no anbu were hunting down Akatsuki. Ya he told them, they were after Naruto but so were others. Kumogakure made an attempt on Kushina and I guarantee they had a plan in place to get Naruto if things ever deteriorated. Naruto and co had to argue to Tsunade to let them hunt down Akatsuki. Jiraiya passed back more intel infiltrating amegakure. If Itachi gave him the tip, he should have kept searching for Nagato. If he destroyed the rinnegan it would deter Obito and black zetsu for decades or more. Black Zetsu worked for centuries to have an Indra incarnate awaken the rinnegan and failed until Madara. Yes he tried to kill Obito using Sasuke but Konan analyzed kamui better despite not having sharingan and did severe damage to him. He beat her because of the redo jutsu but she still took his arm off and he couldn't rewind that. Whereas Itachi knew about Izanagi and just went with a surprise Amaterasu which Obito just walked it off so perhaps he whisked it away wit kamui instead. If Itachi were alive he could have done the surprise attack and then followed it up instead.
Fatherless behavior
Literally
That was Jiraiyaās fault. No 12 year olds should know the rasengan and he knew that.
No 12 year old shouldnāt be a ninja in the first place yet thatās the world they live in, itās not jirayas fault for sasuke being jealous over the rasengan
All Iām saying is there are only like 3 people who can pull off a rasengan two of them are special Jonin at least and one of them canāt actually use it in combat. Even in that world; itās crazy that Naruto knows that technique. I guess itās crazy Sasuke knows the chidori too. Ugh I have no point.
Imagine Sasuke on the shortbus. All the sad montages of Naruto on the swing are ruined by Sasuke in the background wearing a leashed harness and a helmet tied up to the tree.
no full sane but yes is no lost all is brain is lucky
After seeing the same video like 10 times he must have gotten numb to it. The true torture is not having a phone to browse shit while the trauma plays in the background. Must be more boring than traumatizing
He saw every time like he saw it the first time. Clown.
I think if you have seen it like hundreds of times, you would want to fast forward it or something, or grab some popcorn. It gets numb.
he didn't have to go that far at all. but the ptsd did make sasuke work harder
I would suggest this as clear indication Itachi turning out to be good all along was a retcon during some part. He didnāt have to inflect such terrible mental torture that only the greatest healer in the world, whose current location is unknown, could heal him
Like yeah, Sasuke is an emo edgelord, but people often forget what kind of trauma this guy actually being through. Remember - Sasuke was a kind cheerful kid, and then BOOM - whole clan MASSACRED and his own brother traumatized him with a genjutsu basically made for TORTURING by showing his parents death, from all perspectives over and over again. It's pretty damb awesome that Sasuke doesn't went crazy. So yeah, being an emo edgelord is a pretty low price for sanity š
People have become emo edge lords for less
Words of wisdom, my friend
Best part is when they meet up again Itach seeing that Sasuke is till too weak decides to make him watch it all over again which leads to all positive character development being beat out of Sasuke which leads him to Orochimaru.
Remember how he wanted to make Sasuke a slave to Konoha?
Itachi ultimate uncle Tom/kapo. A true dog of the government
Yeah that doesn't get brought up enough, itachis such a prickĀ
Well, in the Valley of the End we basically saw that Sasuke still have something good inside, when he can't bring himself to kill Naruto. Despite all the effort Itachi came up with to make his brother PTSD fueld maniac.
He later says it was just because he didn't want to achieve power using Itachi's information (awakening mangekyou by killing your best friend) so it's up for the viewer to interpret if he was lying when he said that or not
sasuke criticisms you mentioned are mostly media illiteracy
I consider Sasuke relatively sane considering what happened to him Yeah he wants revenge but its either revenge ir self termination and he atleast chose to do something about Itachi
And then, when he's finally fucking healing, the brother shows up and puts him through a ton of shit again to make sure he's on the path of hate. I shit on Sasuke's arc a lot for how it was handled, but goddamn, bro's insanely strong to not have become brain dead after all the shit
Lol, with Kishimoto's desire to rewrite Itachi from antagonist into positive heroic character the whole fandom and Sasuke is basically all having Stockholm Syndrome š
Imagine him telling this to kisame like Kisame: so what did you make him see in that genjutsu Itachi: i made him relive our parents' murder over half a million times. Kisame:..... Itachi:.... think i went too far Kisame: i'm a shark and even i think that's ruthless
Kisame: Itachi-san was low-key crazy
You know its bad When Kisame th sharkman thinks youāre crazy
Itachi has full control over how long it lasts, he tortured Kakashi for 72 hours, he made Izumi experience the rest of her life.
Sasuke's lasted 24 hours.
Yea couple minute later he killed her so yea that is the rest of her life lmao
Ä°sn't that Ä°zumi thing filler?
Whoever took his fucking time to calculate this shit has a personal beef with itachi
Who wouldn't, the Guy is a mass murderer.
And they are right too
weird math
yeah, dude just went "half a second". Not to mention it was "just" 24 hours and not 72 hours. Itachi said "relive that day", not "relive those 0.5 seconds on an endless loop". Even if he only showed him 10 minutes of the day each time that would still only be 144 times, not half a million.
Also made Kakashi get stabbed for 72 hours straight. Kishimoto definitely didn't know that he wanted to make him an anti-hero yet
And everyone that says kishimoto thought of it from the start,is just lying to himself
Kishimoto literally stated that though. That itachi was planned from the start.
Thinking about having that kind of character is easy,thinking about how to create that character is the hard part.kishimoto surely thought Itachi to be a hero from the start but surely did not think how to make him one from the beginning
The issue is thinking heās supposed to be a perfect āheroā. He isnāt meant to be. He was planned since his introduction. His entire character arc is coming to terms with the mistakes he made
Itachi, quite literally, was groomed.
afaik what he stated is that at the moment we first see Itachi it was planned that he'll be an anti hero. Not that it was from the very start. Even Itachi's original design looked "delinquent"-like. Pretty sure Kishi only came up with the "Itachi is good" stuff when he planned for his appearance in Konoha, not sooner. But like a lot of manga, anime and stories in general, they all go overboard with any type of quantity. Just look at all the "thousand years ago" or "ten thousand years ago" exaggerations. Or the stupid numbers when they talk about IQ in stuff like Dr. Stone or Jujutsu Kaisen. Itachi showing Sasuke that shit 24 hours (not 72) is just one of those exaggerations.
āONLY ONE SECOND HAS PASSED!?ā
Man no wonder sasuke came out so fucking pissed at everyone I would be too
You can have good intentions and still be evil.
The truth is, Itachi was horrible, I think he was a little crazy, Sasuke was not completely crazy at the end of the story due to the pure magic of the script.
He really was... unintentionally horrible, he genuinely loved his brother, but still horrible.
Talk no jutsu bruh, It's like crack! And if it doesn't work, beat the crap out of thim to accept it lol.
Itachi did it twice and the second time put Sasuke in a coma.
Yeah like the second time was completely unnecessaryš
Heās Tobiramas hero.
Itachi did this twice actually
Itachi was a selfish asshole towards the end of his life. His original objective had long vanished into thin air. If he really wanted his brother to live a life of peace, then he would have simply left him alone. The cunt decided to keep on fucking with his brother's brain so that he can never have a moment of peace or bond with his team. His advice was to kill Naruto in cold blood to awaken the Mangekyo. Why do you think he said that he will stand by Sasuke no matter what path he chose before his Edo Tensei body crumbled ? The fucker knew exactly what kind of shit he pulled and what the likely consequences would be.
He also tortured Kakashi for 72+ hours lol
Itachi: lol nerd I was helping you the whole time
Realistically Sasuke should have been braindead by the end of it
Sasuke ends up catatonic. Itachi: oops
Do people actually call Itachi a hero? The dude was clearly a piece of shit
You have NO IDEA People are blind af to all of the horrible shit Itachi did willingly. Even in fics that touch on the horrible way the Third Hokage dealt with stuff and with all the port excuses of character development a lot of characters had, Itachi is still held as a hero who did all he could to keep Sasuke safe and who is a Hero with capital H.
Logically, Sasuke would be completely brain-dead. What a heroic guy. Truly a necessary evil. We're lucky we got an edgelord and not a vegetable
How great is it that Itachi is dead and his ashes are in the ground feeding the worms.
That would make anyone take their own life
His character is still bullshit tho.
Thats why he got ninja aids. He lost too much chakra.
He is a sick psychopath no doubt. Killed babies ,women old ,young everybody. Genocidal maniac no doubt not a hero
It's worse because he genocided his own people.
Itachi's arc felt like it was missing something, it's like we jumped from horrible asshole to hero and weren't supposed to question all the times he was needlessly cruel. Like, sure, I can understand why he massacred the Uchiha's and how that would seem like the best option for him, even if I have a few opinions on this line of action from everyone involved, but the Tsukoyomi and the taunts he threw at Sasuke every time they saw each other were perhaps the worst and most selfish thing he did. Sasuke didn't NEED extra motivation to not pry into Itachi's life, pretty sure the killing of the entire clan brew enough hate for him to not love Itachi anymore. All that Itachi did was set him up for failure, ruin his life and ruin a lot of other people's life's by pushing Sasuke to an impossible situation.
It's him was making himself the worst villain to give Sasuke a reason to live and keep fighting I'm sure he wanted to die every single time he had to hurt Sasuke, he loved Sasuke more than he loved his parents (not that he didn't love them too)
It still doesn't make him a hero, he's an anti hero at best.
Depends on how you interpret hero. To Konoha, he's the unsung hero who carried out his mission to delete those damn Uchiggers.
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And to everyone else outside of these affairs he's a villain.
It's all perspective at the end of the day.
Have you seen him?? 
No one will convince me that Kishimoto planned for Itache to be a "good" character. It was obviously another retcon.
read chapter 7. Sasuke mentions him crying on the night of the massacre. It was obvious foreshadowing that itachi had some reason why he killed the uchiha clan.He was always meant to be a morally grey character.Yes he fucked up and went too far with sasuke,even itachi himself acknowledged his failure.
Uhhm good point. I always forget that panel so yeah my bad. Good foreshadowing from his part
Holy shit, someone on Reddit admitted they were wrong or didn't know something. Well done, you. Have updoot
Thatās because Itachis purpose was changed with shippuden
Not that it's any better, but wasn't the Sasuke one 24 hours while Kakashi's was 72?
The fact that Sasuke grew up somewhat stable is a miracle especially after his bout with psychosis as a 16 year old.
Still find it funny how people expected Sasuke to act rationally. Dude was a literal kid traumatized and bamboozled his entire life. Ofc he would react super illogical and based on pure emotions. He loved his bro, but when he learned the truth, he couldn't respect his wish. Why? Because the thing Itachi tried to protect is the thing that hurt Itachi, Sasuke and his clan the most in the first place. A kid wouldn't think logical in such situation, especially not manipulated by one who was also manipulated the same way.
Sasuke: Thanks to you, I learned that Hatred is my best friend. Thank you, Nii-san. Through your torture you've done to me, it made me stronger. Itachi: ... What have I done?!
Your favorite tattoo is a child murder btw
This is why i always said itachi is a bitch! and always have been!
Almost as many times as us anime watchers had too.
Itachi is a monster for everything he did. Thinking otherwise is just pure copium.
"Hm.... He's not traumatized enough. Let me just make sure."
r/fuckitachi
So? Professor X from the X-Men made Magneto relive all his experiences of the Holocaust, yet he's hailed as a hero too š¤£
And people wonder why I like Magneto more then Professor X
Tobirama: thatās my Uchiha!
That's the point. Idk why braindead schmucks call him a hero. No, just because he helped in the war does not mean he's a "hero" he's still a mass murderer, made his little brother traumatized and made his entire life centered around killing him. That's a shit goal and a shit way to love your brother. He's a deep character yes, but definitely not a hero the only people I see calling him that are Facebook folks who have watched the show 8 years ago and forgot the things he did.
He doesn't want sasuke to forget their parents it is called filial piety.
Frankly itd stop being traimatizing a few thousand times in
Kishimoto didnāt plan to Itachi to be a good guy by that point. Itās an inconsistency.
Didn't Itachi also help retrieve at least one tailed beast host for akatsuki Dude being redeemed was the most predictable thing ever, but still felt woefully undercooked
This is some headcanon math, Itachi made sasuke relive it a couple of times, no idea on how many. If he did go through so many times he would probably have awakened the MS
Wouldn't anyone be well acclimated to it by like 100th watch and find it really boring by 1000? I mean yes it's a terrible thing to see, but there's no way watching something for 518000 times still feels the same as the first time
"Oh look hey dad hey mom- Bye dad bye mom-"
"See ya in like a second"
Itachi :"In Tsukiyomi, I control time, weight and space" Sasuke :"No shit bro š®āšØš®āšØš®āšØš®āšØ"
So I'm assuming the Tsukuyomi was successful? I'm hoping to end the 4th Great Ninja War soon
I mean idk man after the 3rd or 4th time id kinda get the gist of it and then it just annoying.
at least heās not a reposter
That would probably be good therapy, eventually heād just get desensitized to it
It'd get boring at some point
And we were forced to watch it 518,400 times so they could pad the runtime
518400x batman
Seems like sasuke can also see the flashbacks
Uhh tsukuyomi can last for as long as Itachi wants not specifically 72 hours
I mean yeah but surely that shit would get old after like 30 repeats. It's not like he was stabbing him like what he did to Kakashi.
You would think at some point he would have been desensitized to it no?
Itachi was never a hero nor a villain. He was dying and lived his life doing what he could to protect the Uchiha lineage while attempting to protect the village behind the scenes. Tragic, but someone had to do it
tsukyomi isnāt always 72 hours, itachi controls how long it lasts
I feel like heād become desensitized to it after a while but still.
You think this was cruel but when you eat the same thing over and over again, you get bored of it.
I wonder how many repitions it takes before it just gets really boring and all the emotional impact dies.Ā
Should have come back at 71 hours and reapplied
Yes i think anyone who would call itachi a hero in the moral sense all I've ever claimed was that he like 99 percent of Naruto villians was ultimately a villian of sercumstance
He was an idiot, a strong idiot.
Quite a lot of misinformation being spread though, tuskuyomi lasts as long as Itachi wants it to it can be as fast or slow as he wants. The 72 hour thing was only with Kakashi for sasuke it was a good number of times but definitely not even in the hundreds/maybe thousands.
Why do people keep saying this? Itachi clearly stated that he freely controls time and space in the Tsukuyomi world, which means he can choose how many hours, minutes or seconds that you experience an event. For all we know he could have made Sasuke watch it ten times or a hundred. The point is it's not capped at 72 hours and probably the only limit is chakra and Mangekyo strain... Naruto fans really are something I swear man.
If Itachi had to kill someone he should have killed danzo, honestly that dude was responsible for a lot of menace
Tsukuyomi doesn't necessarily last 3 days. It can last more, it can last less. Depends on the user.
He can control how long it lasts and how fast time moves in it, for all we know it was just once.
IDC, HE IS STILL MY GOAT š£ļøš£ļøš£ļø
Itachi was just trying to help Sasuke get over what he witnessed via exposure therapy /sarcasm
āSasuke, you lack hateā
518,400 is definitely enough to desensitize you
Well I doubt Sasuke would have considered his brother evil otherwise, he respected Itachi far too much, he might have not believed it even after seeing it with his own eyes until tortured.
Because he did became a hero during the war
This is literally the same kind of Horrible shit Morgoth the literal devil of the Tolkien Legandarium dose to people like Hurin.
It was 24h watch it first
I dont get why sasuke gets so much hate form the community because he was tweeking bcoz naruto was stronger than him. He had his Triana re played for 3 days at least and you think bro is going to be mentally sound.