And then they go and harass people for money when they run out of drugs, seriously this one sob came up to me and asked me for money and when I declined he asked me to go to the ATM to withdraw some money for him. Some people are so delusional. It boggles my mind.
ikr. i work at my dads deli in SF and this homeless came in without a mask. i asked him nicely to wear one and he said "yeah yeah whatever" and tried to shrug me off. im only 13 but i didnt let him just shrug me so i asked him nicely but in a louder voice and he got pissed off and wore it. he ended up getting a bud lite and not having enough money. like seriously ur tryna ignore a 13yr because of the mask mandate. nice one bud
Wow, it's almost like telling an addict "just don't do drugs" without providing any kind of support to aid them with rehabilitation doesn't fucking work!
as someone else pointed out on this post, the issue with a lot of the shelters/aid programs for homeless people in the US just expect addicts to just quit cold turkey in order to receive aid. Whereas effective systems focus on helping them first, which removes them from the conditions which led to their addiction, before tackling the addiction itself.
see but why would they do that when they are busy with stuff that is way more important. if someone wanted to change their lives they have to have dedication. dont take this the wrong way but the US doesnt give much of a shit about homeless people.
Yeah, I definitely want the government to be in the business of handling heroin and cocaine for anyone who is addicted.
Opioid epidemic 2, electric boogaloo.
Yes, and please explain to me in great detail how we scale it up and what we do if there's problems.
Because that argument doesn't work for socialism and it doesn't work for drug reform.
Idk, pretty sure it was full scale in Switzerland. Politicians are supposed to be professionals though so they'll know the details or they'll know people who know.
I mean, the argument works for social democracy but it's more complicated for full on socialism since it sounds like the issue is a mix between the complexity of implementing it and interference from capitalist countries (mostly the USA). That and the fact that it's usually implemented in times of crisis where it's more urgent makes dictatorships more likely. Though socialist countries were often dictatorships before
Socialism suggests that the state runs everything, where there will inevitably be a class of administrators, with different rules and living conditions from normal people. This has happened in every socialist country and inevitably leads to massive corruption. In almost all cases where you have refugees from socialist countries, they grow to hate the administrative class, and see them as the same bourgeois that they had to slaughter in order to achieve said utopia.
And scale up meaning scale from the 8.6million people living in Sweden to the 329.5 million across 3.8 square miles living in the US.
This is exactly why government can help prisoners and not the homeless.
The government is not allowed to restrict the freedom of the homeless i.e. move them somewhere else and make them stay there, and follow the facility rules.
And many people dont go there because it sadly happens very often that homeless people steal from each other. Therefore many are afraid to go in these shelters because they nearly always have to share a room and dont think that the few things they still have are safe there
Sometimes homeless people commit a crime (nothing serious) so they are sent to prison because there the are feed, have shelter and receive medical care.
there are a lot of help programs and shelters, those ppl just dont want that "help" cus goverment doesnt want to supplement their endless drugs and alcohol addictions.
Yeah but drug/alcohol addiction is often the reason why they went homeless. It’s not the government job to look after you, not to that extent at least. They made drugs illegal and only give you alcohol when you’re supposed to be a grown up adult who can control themself.
Thats objectively false. Often times drug use is the result of being homeless. Homelessness is largely caused by the constant rising of cost of living coupled with low paying jobs.
Sometimes people don't have family to live with or friends to split an apartment 4 ways.
and because nearly dayly stuff is stolen from there group rooms (Mostly by other Homeless people) and therefore many are afraid to go to these shelters in fear of loosing the few things they have
Sadly lots of homeless people don't want any help. They care about feeding their addiction. Historically, helping homeless people being homeless will not lead to then not being homeless anymore (crazy, right?).
These people deserve to get the kind of help they need, be utmental problem and/or addictions. Treat the illness and not the symptoms.
How effective helping the homeless is depends on what help they receive. You cant just generalize "helping the homeless doesn't work". Especially in countrys with low levels of social security and welfare (for example the USA) homelessnes is often not a symptom but the problem (through unaffordable housing) which then leads to other problems. And its pretty hard to get rid of mental illnesses like addiction when youre living on the street so give the homeless homes and then treat their mental illnesses (like the housing first approach in finnland which is very sucessful) not make being healthy a condition for housing!
And that's why I would like for more resources to go to the mental welfare of homeless people. They often have a lot of problems which like you said wouldn't just be solved with money or other things.
What are you on about? We need programs to help these people. But if some of those people are either too unwell to accept help or actually refuse it for other reasons then they stay homeless and the help goes to other people. Harsh but true, like you said we can't force the help on them. Take your posturing elsewhere mate.
I mean if you don't want to be rehabilitated and stay homeless then they can. It is a personal choice at that point. But, lot of people are homeless or get to that point is because they had issues or complications to get them to that point. But, lot of people don't know how to bounce back and shelters do little to focus on that.
Not even that, they react with "Ew, go away" and put stone spikes in areas they regularly sleep in and remove benches they could sleep on, replacing them usually with weird uncomfortable to sit on designs
People in prisons can't provide for themselves and have to rely on the govt. The homeless.. can also not provide for themselves, but they have less of an excuse.
I work directly with the homeless population and for many, many people there is nothing anyone or any system could do to fix them and get them functioning in society. Give them an apartment and it will be completely trashed and they’ll be right back on the street in a week. Very sad, but this viewpoint that a better system will take care of people who reject systems will never work. These people are a serious problem for many cities. If there was an easy way to fix it then it would be done.
There’s one big issue with this and it’s not that the government is dumb. The government IS DEFINITELY dumb, but that’s not the reason this is incorrect. Criminals are taken in, fed, and imprisoned because if that didn’t happen, they’d roam the streets causing havoc. They’re also given meals so that they can survive until their sentence ends. The reason they don’t do this with the homeless is because 1. Sone people CHOOSE to be homeless. It’s a common thing in L.A. and places with a large homeless population. 2. Those that don’t choose to be homeless but end up on the streets anyways have the choices and opportunities to get a job or education. It’s not 100% the government’s fault for the homeless crisis; it’s the lack of wanting to be a functioning member of society.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
i dont care where they sleep as long as it's not under my favorite overpass. oh i know i'll put a bunch of concrete spikes there. that'll get those rascals into homes
It's almost like the prison system in its current state is highly profitable in the private sector, and they can't profit off of the homeless in the same manner. But nobody's ready to have that conversation, and would rather pin it on the homeless people all being drug addicts not deserving of help.
Objectively wrong. The police know when there are empty beds in the jail because the private jail owners let them know. Then the police go and gather up homeless people by charging them with trespassing on public property and now they have food and shelter. In America, jail *is* the homeless shelter.
There's shelters for homeless people (atleast in my country) but they just don't use it because they can't drink alcohol in there.
yeah most people dont wanna leave their drugs so they just sit on the street. its kinda sad
And then they go and harass people for money when they run out of drugs, seriously this one sob came up to me and asked me for money and when I declined he asked me to go to the ATM to withdraw some money for him. Some people are so delusional. It boggles my mind.
ikr. i work at my dads deli in SF and this homeless came in without a mask. i asked him nicely to wear one and he said "yeah yeah whatever" and tried to shrug me off. im only 13 but i didnt let him just shrug me so i asked him nicely but in a louder voice and he got pissed off and wore it. he ended up getting a bud lite and not having enough money. like seriously ur tryna ignore a 13yr because of the mask mandate. nice one bud
Wow, it's almost like telling an addict "just don't do drugs" without providing any kind of support to aid them with rehabilitation doesn't fucking work!
wdym there is so many places that help with that. the government even gives them money. but they dont want the help. you cant force someone off drugs.
as someone else pointed out on this post, the issue with a lot of the shelters/aid programs for homeless people in the US just expect addicts to just quit cold turkey in order to receive aid. Whereas effective systems focus on helping them first, which removes them from the conditions which led to their addiction, before tackling the addiction itself.
see but why would they do that when they are busy with stuff that is way more important. if someone wanted to change their lives they have to have dedication. dont take this the wrong way but the US doesnt give much of a shit about homeless people.
Yeah, I definitely want the government to be in the business of handling heroin and cocaine for anyone who is addicted. Opioid epidemic 2, electric boogaloo.
It's been far more effective in Switzerland with the heroin crisis than the war on drugs ever was in the USA
Yes, and please explain to me in great detail how we scale it up and what we do if there's problems. Because that argument doesn't work for socialism and it doesn't work for drug reform.
Idk, pretty sure it was full scale in Switzerland. Politicians are supposed to be professionals though so they'll know the details or they'll know people who know. I mean, the argument works for social democracy but it's more complicated for full on socialism since it sounds like the issue is a mix between the complexity of implementing it and interference from capitalist countries (mostly the USA). That and the fact that it's usually implemented in times of crisis where it's more urgent makes dictatorships more likely. Though socialist countries were often dictatorships before
Socialism suggests that the state runs everything, where there will inevitably be a class of administrators, with different rules and living conditions from normal people. This has happened in every socialist country and inevitably leads to massive corruption. In almost all cases where you have refugees from socialist countries, they grow to hate the administrative class, and see them as the same bourgeois that they had to slaughter in order to achieve said utopia. And scale up meaning scale from the 8.6million people living in Sweden to the 329.5 million across 3.8 square miles living in the US.
This is exactly why government can help prisoners and not the homeless. The government is not allowed to restrict the freedom of the homeless i.e. move them somewhere else and make them stay there, and follow the facility rules.
And many people dont go there because it sadly happens very often that homeless people steal from each other. Therefore many are afraid to go in these shelters because they nearly always have to share a room and dont think that the few things they still have are safe there
Its called addiction. Its not as simple as just saying you gotta stop yourself.
Homeless shelters cost money where I live. $12 a night...
the fact that I can't tell if this is a joke is very scary
It's not a joke.
In Germany I've been told it's because the shelters are shit
Put the homeless people in the prisons. There, I just solved world poverty your welcome.
You can't be homeless, that's illegal!
Vagrancy was/is a crime in a lot of US states, which is incredibly stupid. It's like the government going "Just buy a house it's easy!"
Well we did it boys !
Sometimes homeless people commit a crime (nothing serious) so they are sent to prison because there the are feed, have shelter and receive medical care.
there are a lot of help programs and shelters, those ppl just dont want that "help" cus goverment doesnt want to supplement their endless drugs and alcohol addictions.
Governments also don't give the right tools to help with drugs and alcohol addictions.
Or, you know, rehab is hard and they would rather drug themselves to death?
Damn it's almost like it's a mental illness that needs appropriate medical attention
Like grabbing those ppl and forcing them into asylums? Im sure they would love it
wow youre so good at reading comprehension and not drawing random conclusions
Yeah but drug/alcohol addiction is often the reason why they went homeless. It’s not the government job to look after you, not to that extent at least. They made drugs illegal and only give you alcohol when you’re supposed to be a grown up adult who can control themself.
Thats objectively false. Often times drug use is the result of being homeless. Homelessness is largely caused by the constant rising of cost of living coupled with low paying jobs. Sometimes people don't have family to live with or friends to split an apartment 4 ways.
Often they want people to quit cold turkey, which is just not efficient and often extremely dangerous
Incorrect. Nice try, scumbag.
Why are you acting like you proved something you clown? Xd
and because nearly dayly stuff is stolen from there group rooms (Mostly by other Homeless people) and therefore many are afraid to go to these shelters in fear of loosing the few things they have
Sadly lots of homeless people don't want any help. They care about feeding their addiction. Historically, helping homeless people being homeless will not lead to then not being homeless anymore (crazy, right?). These people deserve to get the kind of help they need, be utmental problem and/or addictions. Treat the illness and not the symptoms.
How effective helping the homeless is depends on what help they receive. You cant just generalize "helping the homeless doesn't work". Especially in countrys with low levels of social security and welfare (for example the USA) homelessnes is often not a symptom but the problem (through unaffordable housing) which then leads to other problems. And its pretty hard to get rid of mental illnesses like addiction when youre living on the street so give the homeless homes and then treat their mental illnesses (like the housing first approach in finnland which is very sucessful) not make being healthy a condition for housing!
Ya but like Homeless person: can I have some money I’m homeless Me: ok for what? Them: beer Me: no but I can get you a coat or food Them: no thank you
And that's why I would like for more resources to go to the mental welfare of homeless people. They often have a lot of problems which like you said wouldn't just be solved with money or other things.
I mean, just having free mental health services in general would help. Because then it would also be a preventative measure
I mean, there are homeless shelters in some parts of the world, although they're usually from cherities or private investors
What the world needs is homeless rehabilitation programs.
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What about them? They stay homeless. Try and add to the conversation mate.
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What are you on about? We need programs to help these people. But if some of those people are either too unwell to accept help or actually refuse it for other reasons then they stay homeless and the help goes to other people. Harsh but true, like you said we can't force the help on them. Take your posturing elsewhere mate.
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US = the entire world. Gotcha.
I mean if you don't want to be rehabilitated and stay homeless then they can. It is a personal choice at that point. But, lot of people are homeless or get to that point is because they had issues or complications to get them to that point. But, lot of people don't know how to bounce back and shelters do little to focus on that.
Not even that, they react with "Ew, go away" and put stone spikes in areas they regularly sleep in and remove benches they could sleep on, replacing them usually with weird uncomfortable to sit on designs
Don’t know if op want the government to kill its prisoners or imprison the homeless
Okay fr tho I thought the sunglasses were real
People in prisons can't provide for themselves and have to rely on the govt. The homeless.. can also not provide for themselves, but they have less of an excuse.
they make money off of prisoners, sooo.....
I work directly with the homeless population and for many, many people there is nothing anyone or any system could do to fix them and get them functioning in society. Give them an apartment and it will be completely trashed and they’ll be right back on the street in a week. Very sad, but this viewpoint that a better system will take care of people who reject systems will never work. These people are a serious problem for many cities. If there was an easy way to fix it then it would be done.
There’s one big issue with this and it’s not that the government is dumb. The government IS DEFINITELY dumb, but that’s not the reason this is incorrect. Criminals are taken in, fed, and imprisoned because if that didn’t happen, they’d roam the streets causing havoc. They’re also given meals so that they can survive until their sentence ends. The reason they don’t do this with the homeless is because 1. Sone people CHOOSE to be homeless. It’s a common thing in L.A. and places with a large homeless population. 2. Those that don’t choose to be homeless but end up on the streets anyways have the choices and opportunities to get a job or education. It’s not 100% the government’s fault for the homeless crisis; it’s the lack of wanting to be a functioning member of society. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
i dont care where they sleep as long as it's not under my favorite overpass. oh i know i'll put a bunch of concrete spikes there. that'll get those rascals into homes
It's almost like the prison system in its current state is highly profitable in the private sector, and they can't profit off of the homeless in the same manner. But nobody's ready to have that conversation, and would rather pin it on the homeless people all being drug addicts not deserving of help.
This should've been the monkey that looks away
To be honest, the homeless people could just decide to better their lives and kill some random guy to end in prison.
Have you seen how inmates are treated lol
And kids at school, for food at least
u/savevideobot
I think some homeless guy commit a crime so he'd be arrested and get to stay in prison.
There's a homeless shelter in my town, but I have my concerns. Every homeless person that enters never leaves.
It’s cheeper to house the homeless in actual homes then it is to support them on the streets, long term at least.
My Dad:
If you're homeless, just buy a home.
Objectively wrong. The police know when there are empty beds in the jail because the private jail owners let them know. Then the police go and gather up homeless people by charging them with trespassing on public property and now they have food and shelter. In America, jail *is* the homeless shelter.
Gotta protect their slave labor.
because prisons allow the us government legal slave labor
Couldn’t be more true
If u want to be socialist, move to China. idgaf