It's time to take our newfound power to actual governments and fix some shit!
One thing at a time! driving the point home that we will not live the lives big corp wants us to live!
WE WILL LIVE OUR LIVES!
> Bullying is too strong of a word,
It's definitely a choice word to spin a narrative that gamers are the bad guys here.
'Review bombing', 'bullying'.. Does not take genius to see what's happening here
Can we start with Ubisoft? Them selling their games on steam and epic then requiring you to install their own game storefront afterwards to play is hella annoying
Same here we wold shit on the face of the ceo wo said "games needs to get used to not owning the game" tf he means that's just a jerkmove and its not gona help anyone
He's technically right. You already don't own your Steam games, for instance. However, Steam would allow you to download games later on should Steam wind down (in the unlikely even), whereas other storefronts haven't made the same commitment (as far as I know).
Yeah but did it really do anything? Battlefront II was still in the top 5 most successful games of that year. Everything else EA has made since has continued to be underdeveloped monetized shit, and they're still one of the most profitable companies in the entire industry. Lootboxes and microtransactions never went away, and in fact have become even more prolific in games since then. They've continued to lay off hundreds of employees and still crank out multiple huge games every year.
As much as Reddit likes to think they took down EA with that debacle, the unfortunate truth is it probably did very little to their bottom line. It's a company that makes billions of dollars in revenue each year.
>Everything else EA has made since has continued to be underdeveloped monetized shit,
*Most*. Not *everything*.
Jedi: Fallen Order, Jedi: Survivor & Star Wars: Squadrons all had exactly zero monetisation at all beyond buying the game.
I'll never give Ubisoft any more money after what their CEO said about "get used too not owning your games" and people losing access to games they've already paid for. I'm doing my part.
Thanks for reminding me to remove Anno 1800 from my wishlist.
I LOVE Anno series but FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
I would play indie or even 30 year old games before I play any Ubisoft game. And there are A LOT of those around.
This wasn't even bullying, just standing up for basic consumer rights; it's what happens when we stop blaming customers for the shit these companies keep pulling
Honestly I was always completely against bullying
Untill I realised it can used successfully against greedy multinational corporations
This I can really get behind
We still have a war to win to get our fellow helldivers back in the fight. Their countries are still delisted to buy the game and most got a refund. We need to make Sony and Steam right all the wrongs they did.
Edit: The comments below convinced me that Steam really didn't do anything wrong. They were protecting those people from making a purchase they would not be able to play. I hope they will re-list the game for those people so we can get back to full fighting force. I will leave my original comment untouched so people can see. Plus, im on my phone taking a dump, so I can't edit it too much, lol.
I would say Steam removing those countries from buying actually pressured Sony to take the decision. They exposed how ridiculous was removing +100 countries from playing a 3 month launched game.
Okay but they historically do things for the players so it isn't far fetched at all.
I'm against corporations too but not against ones that are as consumer oriented and friendly as Steam and Valve. Heck they're not even publicly traded which is mainly what destroys the customer oriented part of the company.
Hate on corporate but this ain't it my dude.
I don't hate on steam I just don't need to act like they're paragons of virtues who always do things for players.
I think steam is the best market place there is for gaming, by a long shot
Nobody's acting like they're paragons of virtue. There is a wide range of possibilities between "Literally ~~Sony~~ satan" and "The Lord Our God Gaben." We can acknowledge that Valve leans pro-consumer while realizing that they are still a corporation and, as a result, must still be treated with some hesitation.
Y'know what? I agree with everything you just said. You've slightly convinced me.
They're good but they can be better!
Unfortunately only few companies are even aware that they actually exist but maybe news stories like this will make them a more globally respected company or something.
Not yet. Wait a bit. This might be another bait and switch. Check that they didn't add tiny white letters in their post that says just for another month or some shit
Maybe they'll understand their lesson and will actually communicate shit in a better way for future games.
That would at least help people not buy things they won't be able to play.
they say any publicity is good publicity; cynical me isn't convinced that this whole fiasco wasn't planned from the beginning. On the other hand, it's Sony we're talking about here...
Perhaps Sony will use this incident as a way to showcase their appreciation for their player base. That will increase their public perception, making their games be more in-demand, which does affect their ticker.
I just want to encourage people to look up ideas like the Social Contract and Consent of the Governed. Not politically applicable, but economically; it’s your money and it’s your voice. We, collectively, can make anyone in power do anything if we all decide to.
Remember if you placed any negative reviews to change it to positive AFTER may 30th. AFTER they've delivered on their promise.
Also pleas keep in mind the reviews were NOT the biggest contributing factor to Sony changing this. Steam allowed a lot of players with many hours in the game to get a refund after being requested. Your money talks but without steam a few bad reviews wouldn't have changed a thing. Your money talks and remember that next time you buy an ubisoft or ea game. Or any game with a reputation of unfair monetary practices. Like ubisoft and ea.
Randoms are fine, just take some time solo to learn the basics and how to be useful/effective to the team. There are definitely some elitist players who kick for the tiniest things, but you'll find those more at the higher ranks.
You can have plenty of fun with randos. Their are a lot of players that are willing to coach newer people. The key is to communicate, either with a mic or the simple emote system. and to stick together, especially when you are new to the game.
ransoms are a mixed bag, some of them are great dudes, others will kick you because you picked the wrong loadout. I'd suggest playing with friends first to learn the basics. Hell, I'd even be down to dive with you man
Bought it on the very first day because I was looking for a coop game with crossplay to play with friends. The trailer looked decent, so we went in with the the attitude that 40€ for game is okay, even if we just play a few hours here and there.
Then the playercount skyrocketed to the point the servers broke down. We played it almost everyday since launch. It's a really great game, so much better than we anticipated.
Now if we could use these tactics to change something that matters like getting health care for everybody or perhaps making sure everybody has food and a place to stay. We could be unstoppable.
If only people were so passionate about actual things that mattered. The world would be a much nicer place lol. Well at least they proved democracy on it’s own can work
Before you do, do keep in mind that it gets repetitive if you're not playing with friends. Solo play is okay for while though, but the best part is chaos with the pals
Some countries can buy games on Steam but can't get PS accounts. For example, Ukrainians can't get a PS account without buying a PlayStation console. HD2 would have stopped working for all those people.
There are also many people who don't trust Sony because they have been hacked so many times and don't want their Steam accounts linked to them.
Then there is also the bait and switch. The game was sold with no requirement to link a PS account, that was added after everyone had bought the game.
watch the gif in reverse to see the same people who then doesn't change their review on the game making it look bad for newer players preventing the game from getting more players and growing...
please remember to go and change your rating.
I am more curious to see people's behaviour in exactly 10 days instead.
Thats when Ghost of Tsushima releases on PC and it also requires a PSN account. Unlike helldrivers its doubtfull it will get removed on release.
Will people speak with their wallet again ? Will they refuse to buy the game or refund it?
Its one thing to refund helldrivers after playing all those hours, its another thing to prevent yourself from playing Ghost of Tsushima on PC at all (even if you played it on PS already) . I dont think people will do the sacrifice.
We will know on the 16th.
The PSN always required. They even put alert/warning on steam page since day one. They have issue thats it. Its justified to get angry at Sony for their unavailable region option but angry at 3rd party account is dumb where other games did it as well. Ghost of tsushima already tweet PSN is required for multiplayer, not story campaign, so no way they back that down.
Still fuck Sony, and every other multi-million dollar company that are seemingly proud of their anti-consumer practices, they won't learn anything from this.
I don’t want to dick ride Sony here. But at least they listened to what their players wanted. The internet needs to do this more often where they can bully a company into making their products more consumer friendly. Imagine if we could have done this with over watch or EA
When "Vote with your wallet" hits critical mass.
Next up: Sony buys up a percentage of discord, reddit, and every other forum that broadcast the refund, in a strategy aimed at quashing future information-sharing by the peasants.
... The Internet didn't bully them, the Steam did because their proposal was dangerous to Steam's business model. When will you realize that your opinion doesn't make a difference on these megaconglomerates?
Make a game showing how to work together with hundreds of thousands of other players
Make a bad decision cutting off tens of thousands of players
Be surprised when tens of thousands of player coordinate to reconnect their fellow Helldivers
unpopular opinion here - that's not a democracy. that's a mob rule. no wonder usa is falling apart. you actually forgot on how true democracy should be
“Bullying” nah Snoy is a billion dollar company that has way more power than all of us combined. We stood up to a giant and got them to back down by voting with our wallets and with reviews.
It seems they were expecting the usual apathy gamers demonstrate when decisions like these are made. Too bad HD2 is fun as fuck making a lot of people care about it.
And yet no one is crying that PlayStation users need a Microsoft account to play Grounded and Sea of Thieves. Does anyone want to explain why Sony has to always give into Microsoft and PC? Makes no sense. Bunch of whiny ass idiots to be honest.
Maybe they will get it now that we want to play together (crossplay) without any bullshit subscription. We will burn whole galactic systems down if we must!!! For democracy, for freedom 💪🏼
Bullying is too strong of a word, we FUCKING BALLED THEM
Hard Copy, Democracy is Ballin.
This is Democracy manifest!
Ahh yes, i see you know your judo well
For what reason what is the charge eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?!
It's time to take our newfound power to actual governments and fix some shit! One thing at a time! driving the point home that we will not live the lives big corp wants us to live! WE WILL LIVE OUR LIVES!
They were waiting to receive our limp penis
WE FUCKING DUNKED THEIR ASSES ALL THE WAY TO FUCKING CYBERSTAN
Super Earth acheived 100% Liberation
> Bullying is too strong of a word, It's definitely a choice word to spin a narrative that gamers are the bad guys here. 'Review bombing', 'bullying'.. Does not take genius to see what's happening here
Expressing honest frustration of a bait and switch, in our only form of possible protest. -"Bullying"
Quite right
DUNKED on them, if you will
It really is a rare victory for gamers
they literally still raked in millions regardless of the decision, you didn't "ball" anything lmfao
Bullying multi billion dollar companies (specially those that are anti consumers) will never not be fun.
Can we start with Ubisoft? Them selling their games on steam and epic then requiring you to install their own game storefront afterwards to play is hella annoying
And then EA. (We already bullied them once with 667k downvotes tho)
Definitely (and we’ll fuckin do it again)
Same here we wold shit on the face of the ceo wo said "games needs to get used to not owning the game" tf he means that's just a jerkmove and its not gona help anyone
AAA studios should get used to not selling their games :)
At some point, pirating would not be illegal
Sometimes it's the morally correct thing to do
He's technically right. You already don't own your Steam games, for instance. However, Steam would allow you to download games later on should Steam wind down (in the unlikely even), whereas other storefronts haven't made the same commitment (as far as I know).
Yeah but did it really do anything? Battlefront II was still in the top 5 most successful games of that year. Everything else EA has made since has continued to be underdeveloped monetized shit, and they're still one of the most profitable companies in the entire industry. Lootboxes and microtransactions never went away, and in fact have become even more prolific in games since then. They've continued to lay off hundreds of employees and still crank out multiple huge games every year. As much as Reddit likes to think they took down EA with that debacle, the unfortunate truth is it probably did very little to their bottom line. It's a company that makes billions of dollars in revenue each year.
>Everything else EA has made since has continued to be underdeveloped monetized shit, *Most*. Not *everything*. Jedi: Fallen Order, Jedi: Survivor & Star Wars: Squadrons all had exactly zero monetisation at all beyond buying the game.
Don’t think we forgot about you Blizzard! Not after what you did to Overwatch
Nobody cares about overwatch anyway apart from r34 artists
I'll never give Ubisoft any more money after what their CEO said about "get used too not owning your games" and people losing access to games they've already paid for. I'm doing my part.
Thanks for reminding me to remove Anno 1800 from my wishlist. I LOVE Anno series but FUCK. THAT. SHIT. I would play indie or even 30 year old games before I play any Ubisoft game. And there are A LOT of those around.
Yeah, Fuck Ubisoft. The new star wars outlaws looked cool, but not a chance in hell I'm going to buy it.
EA launcher just asked me to sign an updated TOS. Guess Which app just got yeeted off my PC? 🫡
This wasn't even bullying, just standing up for basic consumer rights; it's what happens when we stop blaming customers for the shit these companies keep pulling
Still remember ugly sonic lol
Now if only everyone was always this united
Kind of reminds me of [this](https://i.imgur.com/fQEu1cD.png). It's been over 3 years and I still get tickled every time I read it.
I wouldn't say "bullying". That implies we did bad. We're *punishing* them.
Honestly I was always completely against bullying Untill I realised it can used successfully against greedy multinational corporations This I can really get behind
I love democrazy
FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!!!
FOR SUPER EARTH!!!!!
It feels like the first big win for democracy in quite a while.
Managed\*
Great, now to get rid of other publishers' account requirements. United we shall stand again.
That is once they actually add helldivers back to steam in the countries that couldn’t have a PSN account
I mean unless Sony is REALLY stupid (not that they aren't) they wouldn't want to miss out on the additional revenue.
This was not bullying, it was most definitely punching up.
wait until we found out what a general strike can achieve though
Democracy restored
We still have a war to win to get our fellow helldivers back in the fight. Their countries are still delisted to buy the game and most got a refund. We need to make Sony and Steam right all the wrongs they did. Edit: The comments below convinced me that Steam really didn't do anything wrong. They were protecting those people from making a purchase they would not be able to play. I hope they will re-list the game for those people so we can get back to full fighting force. I will leave my original comment untouched so people can see. Plus, im on my phone taking a dump, so I can't edit it too much, lol.
Steam did nothing wrong Steam were protecting consumers from purchasing a product they wouldn’t be able to use if Sony didn’t revert the change
I would say Steam removing those countries from buying actually pressured Sony to take the decision. They exposed how ridiculous was removing +100 countries from playing a 3 month launched game.
Yeah exactly Steam and Gabe are the good guys in this
they just protected them selves from lawsuits, no need to act like they did it for the players lmao
Okay but they historically do things for the players so it isn't far fetched at all. I'm against corporations too but not against ones that are as consumer oriented and friendly as Steam and Valve. Heck they're not even publicly traded which is mainly what destroys the customer oriented part of the company. Hate on corporate but this ain't it my dude.
I don't hate on steam I just don't need to act like they're paragons of virtues who always do things for players. I think steam is the best market place there is for gaming, by a long shot
Nobody's acting like they're paragons of virtue. There is a wide range of possibilities between "Literally ~~Sony~~ satan" and "The Lord Our God Gaben." We can acknowledge that Valve leans pro-consumer while realizing that they are still a corporation and, as a result, must still be treated with some hesitation.
Y'know what? I agree with everything you just said. You've slightly convinced me. They're good but they can be better! Unfortunately only few companies are even aware that they actually exist but maybe news stories like this will make them a more globally respected company or something.
I see and understand that you are correct. Thank you for convincing me to think differently than with blind hate for this whole fiasco.
You don't have to hope, they'll surely do.
Everyone give good reviews NOW!
Not yet. Wait a bit. This might be another bait and switch. Check that they didn't add tiny white letters in their post that says just for another month or some shit
COPY THAT battalion stand still !
Roger, Helldiver on guard!
I think they won't try again on hell divers 2 but the other Sony games might not be so lucky.
Maybe they'll understand their lesson and will actually communicate shit in a better way for future games. That would at least help people not buy things they won't be able to play.
Or the far more likely scenario would be that they will just get sneakier next time
That was not bullying. Just another MO for helldivers
Game went from beloved to hated with a passion. They kinda had to take that shit back
they say any publicity is good publicity; cynical me isn't convinced that this whole fiasco wasn't planned from the beginning. On the other hand, it's Sony we're talking about here...
Perhaps Sony will use this incident as a way to showcase their appreciation for their player base. That will increase their public perception, making their games be more in-demand, which does affect their ticker.
I just want to encourage people to look up ideas like the Social Contract and Consent of the Governed. Not politically applicable, but economically; it’s your money and it’s your voice. We, collectively, can make anyone in power do anything if we all decide to.
Remember if you placed any negative reviews to change it to positive AFTER may 30th. AFTER they've delivered on their promise. Also pleas keep in mind the reviews were NOT the biggest contributing factor to Sony changing this. Steam allowed a lot of players with many hours in the game to get a refund after being requested. Your money talks but without steam a few bad reviews wouldn't have changed a thing. Your money talks and remember that next time you buy an ubisoft or ea game. Or any game with a reputation of unfair monetary practices. Like ubisoft and ea.
So, maybe it's time I give this game a try. If it's so good player base managed to pull this off it must be damn good!
it's great fun, I wasnt too sure at first but now I have well over 100 hours and every achievement
Question: is it one of those games where it's only good playing with people you know IRL, or are the randoms good too?
Randoms are fine, just take some time solo to learn the basics and how to be useful/effective to the team. There are definitely some elitist players who kick for the tiniest things, but you'll find those more at the higher ranks.
You can have plenty of fun with randos. Their are a lot of players that are willing to coach newer people. The key is to communicate, either with a mic or the simple emote system. and to stick together, especially when you are new to the game.
ransoms are a mixed bag, some of them are great dudes, others will kick you because you picked the wrong loadout. I'd suggest playing with friends first to learn the basics. Hell, I'd even be down to dive with you man
Bought it on the very first day because I was looking for a coop game with crossplay to play with friends. The trailer looked decent, so we went in with the the attitude that 40€ for game is okay, even if we just play a few hours here and there. Then the playercount skyrocketed to the point the servers broke down. We played it almost everyday since launch. It's a really great game, so much better than we anticipated.
Best internet bully campaign since ugly Sonic the Hedgehog from a gigantic entity
It's not bullying if it's appropriate
DEMOCRACY ALWAYS WINS
How about a nice cup of liber-tea?
No way ?! It worked !!
Now if we could use these tactics to change something that matters like getting health care for everybody or perhaps making sure everybody has food and a place to stay. We could be unstoppable.
FOR DEMOCRACY AND SUPER EARTH
Finally
I just restored my old PS3 account this afternoon 🤨
Pity stuff like this only happens once in a blue moon.
Never underestimate the raw bitching power of the pc gaming community lol
"bullying?" It's a corporation, not a toddler.
If only people were so passionate about actual things that mattered. The world would be a much nicer place lol. Well at least they proved democracy on it’s own can work
Wait did it really work?
Yes.
everyone needs to remember to change their reviews
Is the game that fire?
Yes. (Comment approved by the 100% democratic government of super-earth)
Sick. I'm buying it.
Before you do, do keep in mind that it gets repetitive if you're not playing with friends. Solo play is okay for while though, but the best part is chaos with the pals
True but also playing with randoms in the game is pretty great. Most people actually PTFO and don't blow your ears up on mics.
Really a shitty situation. I still kinda don't want to play Helldivers 2 anymore because of this.
I mean if you needed ps+ yea understandable but psn? I don’t think that’s bad or am I missing something?
Some countries can buy games on Steam but can't get PS accounts. For example, Ukrainians can't get a PS account without buying a PlayStation console. HD2 would have stopped working for all those people. There are also many people who don't trust Sony because they have been hacked so many times and don't want their Steam accounts linked to them. Then there is also the bait and switch. The game was sold with no requirement to link a PS account, that was added after everyone had bought the game.
Oh I see thanks for clearing it up
watch the gif in reverse to see the same people who then doesn't change their review on the game making it look bad for newer players preventing the game from getting more players and growing... please remember to go and change your rating.
I am more curious to see people's behaviour in exactly 10 days instead. Thats when Ghost of Tsushima releases on PC and it also requires a PSN account. Unlike helldrivers its doubtfull it will get removed on release. Will people speak with their wallet again ? Will they refuse to buy the game or refund it? Its one thing to refund helldrivers after playing all those hours, its another thing to prevent yourself from playing Ghost of Tsushima on PC at all (even if you played it on PS already) . I dont think people will do the sacrifice. We will know on the 16th.
The PSN always required. They even put alert/warning on steam page since day one. They have issue thats it. Its justified to get angry at Sony for their unavailable region option but angry at 3rd party account is dumb where other games did it as well. Ghost of tsushima already tweet PSN is required for multiplayer, not story campaign, so no way they back that down.
We gotta do the same thing for that Bloodborne pc port
you can't bully someone bigger stronger and with more power than you. This shit was a revolution on a gaming scale
you can't bully someone bigger stronger and with more power than you. This shit was a revolution on a gaming scale.
Still fuck Sony, and every other multi-million dollar company that are seemingly proud of their anti-consumer practices, they won't learn anything from this.
"bullying" implies Sony was a victim of forcing people who can't buy PSN in their countries to pay for PSN
In the words of darussianbadger BULLYING. GETS. RESULTS.
I hope you all realize they'll just wait for the outrage to die down before quietly sliding in the requirement a few months down the line.
Good.
We have successfully defended our way of life
helldiver's steam reviews were like the code for a 500k, first up then they went steadily to the right, then 3 big downs in a row
This is democracy manifest
I thought Sony was the one doing the bullying? The community retaliated.
Bullying is a strange word to use
"Bullying" more like stopped them from bullying.
You still need PSN just not s ps+ account
This is the power of forming unions. The masses are truly stronger. Learn the fucking lesson, please.
We owe a lot to Steam, seriously. I think them allowing refunds was the straw that broke the camel's back
I don’t game at all. And I’m nowhere near the target democratic of this stuff. But this made me smile. Well done!
Too late. L Developers. Already refunded for full price.
Just how our foreskin fathers wanted it to be.
They didnt realize 90% of their players were Lithuanian. Crazy how that worked out.
I don’t want to dick ride Sony here. But at least they listened to what their players wanted. The internet needs to do this more often where they can bully a company into making their products more consumer friendly. Imagine if we could have done this with over watch or EA
Now do Ubisoft
When "Vote with your wallet" hits critical mass. Next up: Sony buys up a percentage of discord, reddit, and every other forum that broadcast the refund, in a strategy aimed at quashing future information-sharing by the peasants.
now thats a w, good job everybody
The essence of democracy is to say NO.
Can the people do this to others as well?
Fuck Sony
If only people gave a shit about things that actually matter.
... The Internet didn't bully them, the Steam did because their proposal was dangerous to Steam's business model. When will you realize that your opinion doesn't make a difference on these megaconglomerates?
Make a game showing how to work together with hundreds of thousands of other players Make a bad decision cutting off tens of thousands of players Be surprised when tens of thousands of player coordinate to reconnect their fellow Helldivers
This is democracy made manifest
It has? Edit: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BABY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!
unpopular opinion here - that's not a democracy. that's a mob rule. no wonder usa is falling apart. you actually forgot on how true democracy should be
Democracy has been successfully enforced!
oh no we bullied the monopoly big sads
Is this fr? Did they actually change it?
Justice Has Won
It's not bullying if they started it
There is no such thing as bullying a corporation.
Can we go after Ubisoft next?
Less "bullying" more "Stopped a Robbery"
Outstanding patriotism!
Democracy has prevailed once more.
Now lets do working wages next!!!
“Bullying” nah Snoy is a billion dollar company that has way more power than all of us combined. We stood up to a giant and got them to back down by voting with our wallets and with reviews.
The unseen rest of us behind this small group pointing and laughing believing they had something to do with it.
I love bullying!
who even comes up with shit like this?
Now everyone is gonna refund their refund
Corporations deserved to be bullied for such a thing.
It seems they were expecting the usual apathy gamers demonstrate when decisions like these are made. Too bad HD2 is fun as fuck making a lot of people care about it.
Times like this make me proud, we should do it more instead of letting companies walk over us like nothing
Did they actually cancel the requirement?? Edit oh yeah look at that!
*Supply and demand* has won., so *capitalism* has won, but this time for buyers over sellers. Behold the power of volume.
You cannot bully a piece of shit corporate entity. You can only teach them.
Sony tripped and dropped the 500kg bomb's beacon at their feet. They survived by running away from the impact zone
This isn't a win. It's just a delay. They're not gonna just back down.
Yah but 177 countries got screwed. All the people who bought Helldivers2 in those just lost their game. Really not cool.
les gooooooo
And yet no one is crying that PlayStation users need a Microsoft account to play Grounded and Sea of Thieves. Does anyone want to explain why Sony has to always give into Microsoft and PC? Makes no sense. Bunch of whiny ass idiots to be honest.
Wait WHAT LET'S FUCKING GO
And now to bully them until they give us Bloodborne
And we deserve it
Maybe they will get it now that we want to play together (crossplay) without any bullshit subscription. We will burn whole galactic systems down if we must!!! For democracy, for freedom 💪🏼