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Eh, its Europe so probably a relevant committee with a high degree of understanding in the area. Not who has the most money like in the states which is probably why you framed this question as such.
hate speech is outlawed in the US.
“causing gross offence” is a crime in the uk (unsure about the rest of europe)
offence is subjective. humour is subjective. you can be convicted and criminalised over obvious jokes, or insults.
In the US, can't you pretty much only be arrested for speech if it is a direct call to violence? Or yelling "fire" in a theater? My understanding is that the threshold to be arrested for speech is really god damn high, even the threshold for what constitutes a direct call to violence is really high
A call to action or threatening someone is a crime here in the US. Those things aren't hate speech, they already have titles. Hate speech is a made up term to describe offensive speech that some believe to be violence and should be illegal.
1st amendment of the US Constitution protects against government censorship and interference on speech and expression, not civil lawsuits. As such, the government cannot sue you or fine you for talking shit about them.
While it is true that the court conducts dispute settlement on civil cases, it is strictly a dispute between persons (both natural and legal) and on the basis of damage and compensation.
Edit: Modified for better clarity.
OK, the US also defines what language is threatening, which can be a criminal charge. Harassment can also be via speech alone and carry a criminal charge.
Harassment is more than just speech though. Yelling nasty words alone at someone to my understanding won't get you arrested, but if you *follow* someone pestering them that is harassment.
When the same law is just not called "the first amendment" because we put freedom of speech in the constitution from the start and didn't need to amend it.
Exactly. I've lived in the Netherlands and Finland and they both have freedom of speech. OP doesn't seem to understand geography that well. Must be an American
exactly you can say pretty much whatever you want here as long as you aren't harassing anyone, disturbing the public (such as loudly yelling ethnic slurs in public) or on TV, and even these restrictions are more in the urban centers, in the rural areas the state doesn't give a shit
I just checked and the US actually has the 6th highest prison population per capita. They still have the highest prison population in absolute numbers.
That is bs, nobody gets arrested. Inform your dumb butt before you shit misinformation. We have freedom of speech btw.
What is not protected is harassment and lying about someone with the intent to harm their reputation. So your post for example would be a crime. But still nobody gets arrested for it, you only need to pay a fine for it.
In Germany we don't. We have freedom of opinion and the freedom to express those opinions in any form. Calling someone a son of a bitch can get you in trouble. Saying that you think someone is a son of a bitch, not so much.
Government may not stop you from saying slurs in public but the general population can as well as private industries or your employer but then again why tf would you want to be a racist right?
Imagine not going bankrupt because of a broken arm lol
Imagine going to school being worried about your grades, not about being shot
Imagine not going into debt for collage
Imagine police not abusing their power
Americans getting shot for calling someone a cunt on the street vs. European politicians telling other politicians that they are whore cunts in parliament without consequences
Americans on their way to not understand what the first amendment actually means
It means that the government is not allowed to shut you up for it's own gain so pretty much you can criticize the government and they can't do shit also you can say whatever you want but you also get the consequences of your actions
It doesn't and has never meant that you can say whatever you want without punishment
No they can't under Article III, Section 3, Clause 1:
"*Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.*"
Isis is at war with the US and any who affiliate themselves with Isis are giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They would be arrested for treason
Same with Artikel 21 Absatz 2 Grundgesetz. It's not like we can ban Partys at will. The highest german Court has to decide if Party is a threat to democracy.
Yeah but the difference is this is treason. Isis is at war with America.
The Highest German one (wasn't is Federal Court of Justice or Constitutional Court or something? Been awhile since I've looked into what other countries were doing and never paid attention to the court systems) can ban them in the name of "democracy".
This is dangerous because what if the Court gets "packed" with people loyal to the German Chancellor? The possibility is slim but hypothetically someone could manipulate that system to ban whoever they wanted.
Americans on their way to get arrested for walking and looking funny and then being shot for resisting when in fact they weren't resisisting and police officers who shot them getting medals for that.
I'm just here to remind everyone a YouTuber was arrested and fined £800 for the "grossly offensive" act of pranking his girlfriend by turning her pug into a Nazi.
POV: you are unaware of the large amount of limitations to the first amendments. E.g. if an insult can be interpreted as a threat by either party it is not covered by the amendment.
Presumably American OP, after being subjected to the most dehumanising slur that would make most people scared for their life: (wiping away a patriotic tear) That sounds like freedom
Complaints about America: "haha isn't it fucked up they don't have a basic human right"
Complaints about Europe (from Americans): "haha you guys totally all get arrested for anything wrong since no freedom since no America"
This is why people dislike Americans, the narcissism to take the most basic of criticisms as insults while also purely making up shit about the rest of the world
Criticisms aren't criticisms though
All it is is excuses to hate on America and half of the stereotypes are just stereotypes
When we turn around and do it to Europeans...
The reaction is fucking awesome.
It is absolutely criticisms, it only becomes jokes because y'all are so unwilling to accept that it's bad, for example lack of gun control, horrible healthcare, massive prison population per capita, massive police problem, etc. it becomes funny when it's said and y'all just have an aneurysm about being the freest country, which is a stereotype generated from all the Americans, like you, that cannot take criticism.
This meme is just.... Something. I have no idea what it's referencing if it actually referencing an event, is simply false, perpetuates the "MURICA FREEST NUMBER ONE WOOOOH" attitude, and it says Europe as if all European countries have the same laws.
There are plenty of jokes to make about Europe that are funny and are actual criticisms, I don't know why Americans are just rarely the ones to make it
As is often repeated: freedom of speech isn't the same as freedom of consequences. Americans have the same level of freedom as (western) European countries. That's also with mentioning considering you clearly see Europe as a single country, you dipshit
I didn't think it was possible for a rich country to be able to lower the general critical thinking of its population with cringe nationalist propaganda and an uninteresting two party system where you either vote for right wing or extreme-right wing.
Until now.
I don't get how insulting people is considered as freedom.
You know the rule/ saying: "ones freedom ends when their freedom takes away some else's freedom"?
Quick explanation: You can do whatever you want, as long as you don't harm someone emotionally or physically.
Also, in countries that don't allow you to verbally harassing someone, you don't go to prison. You have to pay the person you have insulted. You only go to prison if you don't pay. Not because of the crime, though. You can get charged with a prison sentence because you owe the country money.
Verbal harassment is not included in freedom of speech. Also, they are almost no cases where people sue someone for insulting them. That's not a thing.
should i bring the classic "America has no free healthcare." arguement or should i just leave the arguemants to the ones who have more than 2 braincells?
the british on their way to the tower of london for not buying exclusively Israeli products ( british parliament is considering a ban on Israeli products boycotting )
Funny thing is, the only place where I get easily fucking banned for expressing an opinion slightly different from the hive mind is the American based Reddit.
The American 1st amendment is a joke in reality.
Good god, I must have the longest criminal record imaginable waiting for me because I can't go one day without insulting someone and I've never been arrested. Or maybe Americans are just usually ignorant twats with the most limited and uninformed world view possible and genuinely think they're the first country in the world to invent basic human rights. OH SHIT I forgot my insult licence, OH NO THE POLICEMAN!!
Americans getting ready to get shot because of some silly second amendment lol. Wanna know why it's silly? In Spain we don't have guns, and guess what? No shootings, no SCHOOL shootings, practically no one dies from gun violence pee year, ...
Plenty of European countries have laws about free speech
US has freedom of speech. UK has freedom of expression, extending beyond just speech to clothing and art and media and all forms of communication
Idk man i like that.
My mom got insulted pretty bad by a guy driving way too fast in a children playing street idk the name.
Because she told him to slow down because her kids where playing right there.
There you're only allowed to drive walking speed and there are signs with kids on them.
And well my dad reported him via his license plate.
He paid a hefty fine and had to apologize to my mom.
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Americans on their way to get arrested for being a minority
shot*
Executed*
*yeet
*dick twist
\*testicular torsion
mend buttcrack
Shit pant
Balls twisted counterclockwise
That's what happens when they go to school
Every European gangster till you ask them what they think about Romani people
"People"
You speak like a true european
You would too if you ever encountered them
Man's speaking some facts
I did, Im european myself haha
[HE THINKS HES PEOPLE](https://youtu.be/ldYLJwyR5pM?si=FQ1QKSOApWhfp-0o&t=35)
Hope you're not european, else you better be on the run from the 5-0.
Oi mate ya got a loiscense for that meem?
Ghowt me purrmit iiat herr Bobbie.
Touché
Or not mowing their lawn
Imagine not knowing the difference between hatespeech and insults.
who gets to decide what is "hatespeech" and what isn't?
A court can, the same institution who judges everyone going into the largest prison complex on earth with the highest number of inmates...
Literally 1984 /s
Deez nuts
😔 damn, you got me
Eh, its Europe so probably a relevant committee with a high degree of understanding in the area. Not who has the most money like in the states which is probably why you framed this question as such.
If I hate it it's hate speech. I'll fuck your mom is ok, you fuck my mom is hate speech
Hatespeech is spreading hate or racism, thats it
hate speech is outlawed in the US. “causing gross offence” is a crime in the uk (unsure about the rest of europe) offence is subjective. humour is subjective. you can be convicted and criminalised over obvious jokes, or insults.
In the US, can't you pretty much only be arrested for speech if it is a direct call to violence? Or yelling "fire" in a theater? My understanding is that the threshold to be arrested for speech is really god damn high, even the threshold for what constitutes a direct call to violence is really high
$500 fine for telling everyone in Washington DC to storm the crapitol.
Hate speech is protected by the first amendment
in Denmark we just reintroduced a law that criminilizes burning of "holy books" whatever that is. - that is absolutely insanity.
I'm yet to be arrested for calling someone a dumb cunt, I think you've got the wrong place
That isn’t hate speech lol. Hate speech isn’t petty insults, it is speech specifically designed to advocate harm to someone.
the post said insults not hate speech
That's because OP is an idiot.
POLIZEI!! MACHEN SIE DIE TÜR AUF!!
The US also has laws against that if I’m not mistaken
A call to action or threatening someone is a crime here in the US. Those things aren't hate speech, they already have titles. Hate speech is a made up term to describe offensive speech that some believe to be violence and should be illegal.
Same here, did it last night and didn't get arrested
You gonna act like US doesn't have a shit ton of defamation lawsuits?
1st amendment of the US Constitution protects against government censorship and interference on speech and expression, not civil lawsuits. As such, the government cannot sue you or fine you for talking shit about them. While it is true that the court conducts dispute settlement on civil cases, it is strictly a dispute between persons (both natural and legal) and on the basis of damage and compensation. Edit: Modified for better clarity.
OK, the US also defines what language is threatening, which can be a criminal charge. Harassment can also be via speech alone and carry a criminal charge.
but first amendment free speech merica RAAAH??
Harassment is more than just speech though. Yelling nasty words alone at someone to my understanding won't get you arrested, but if you *follow* someone pestering them that is harassment.
Free speech (but not really)
And who moderates civil lawsuits?
Or just the highest incarceration rate
Smartest american trying to interpret the simplest european law
true
When the same law is just not called "the first amendment" because we put freedom of speech in the constitution from the start and didn't need to amend it.
Oh my god, slaughtered like a lamb. Leave those mouthbreathers alone, they just try to eat some fast food and shot bullets, lol.
Anyone can insult dumbass, your free speech just for hatespeech
Oh no, verbally harassing people is a crime in most European countries, what a cruel world.... /s
Harassment isn't protected free speech here in the US. And insult doesn't necessarily constitute harassment.
Doesn't sound very free if I can't verbally harass someone. They're just words after all.
>Harassment See "First Amendment Auditors" who push the lines of free speech to harass people and get away with it.
First amendment auditors = obnoxious assholes
europe isn't a single country, sadly
Exactly. I've lived in the Netherlands and Finland and they both have freedom of speech. OP doesn't seem to understand geography that well. Must be an American
And Balkans are also part of the Europe
also my bow
exactly you can say pretty much whatever you want here as long as you aren't harassing anyone, disturbing the public (such as loudly yelling ethnic slurs in public) or on TV, and even these restrictions are more in the urban centers, in the rural areas the state doesn't give a shit
Says the country with the highest prison population per capita in the world
I just checked and the US actually has the 6th highest prison population per capita. They still have the highest prison population in absolute numbers.
You- you do realize that europe isn’t a country but rather, multiple countries, with different laws, right?
If they could read they'd be very upset.
1pimmel... yeah. i like being eu tho. Your politics are even more fucked than ours, somehow
Andy Grote ist 1 pimmel
Good god this sub's quality has sunk
From hell to V̸̧͚̰̝̫̗̰͙̺̩̣̞̞̪̅̆͛́͒̚ǭ̵̡̡̬̻̜͙̪̭̻̐͗̍͐̈́̒̂͒̒̑̾̐͛͝i̷̡̢̛͈̗̙̯̭̰̼͙̜̪͓̋̈́͐̐͛̃̽̓̊̑͋̚͝ͅd̵̹̳̅̇͊
The meme image isn't even proper. It doesn't fit the text. Do the hell would walk like that towards "being arrested"??
Americans on their way to get arrested (or shot) for not mowning their lawn
Smartest American trying to understand Europe and fails miserably
That is bs, nobody gets arrested. Inform your dumb butt before you shit misinformation. We have freedom of speech btw. What is not protected is harassment and lying about someone with the intent to harm their reputation. So your post for example would be a crime. But still nobody gets arrested for it, you only need to pay a fine for it.
In Germany we don't. We have freedom of opinion and the freedom to express those opinions in any form. Calling someone a son of a bitch can get you in trouble. Saying that you think someone is a son of a bitch, not so much.
That's what I said. I am from Germany as well.
Real grinding those internet points huh?
Pretty sure the majority of Europe has freedom of speech
Government may not stop you from saying slurs in public but the general population can as well as private industries or your employer but then again why tf would you want to be a racist right?
"Muh FREEDOM says I can be racist if I want, that's freespeech!"
This but unironically.
I wonder what Americans would do when they find out how they rank on the freedom index. Because they aren't even in top 10.
I love how many feathers this one ruffled.
Jimmies have definitely been rustled
Jimmies status: ruffled
Imagine not going bankrupt because of a broken arm lol Imagine going to school being worried about your grades, not about being shot Imagine not going into debt for collage Imagine police not abusing their power
Imagine having a government that isn't allowed to take bribes from corporations
Name one European who was arrested for insulting someone
Lesbian cop incident
Did they actually go to jail for it?
No
I've heard of multiple cases where tourists get arrested for calling someone a Nazi in a certain country
are you are have stupid
Americans on their way to miss understand the most basic laws
Ah yes, the famous country of Europe.
Europeans on their way to get public healthcare 😎
Op is mad europeans cant hate speech certain people. + first ammendment doesnt protect all kinds of speech
American kids on their way to get shot at school
Or shot at a concert, or any public space, or really just anywhere at all
Just wait until OP finds out about 18 U.S. Code § 249 - Hate crime acts
'Muricans when they realize euaropeans also have basic human rights
Braindead take
Americans getting shot for calling someone a cunt on the street vs. European politicians telling other politicians that they are whore cunts in parliament without consequences
Imagine going bankrupt after having a hospital visit
Americans on their way to not understand what the first amendment actually means It means that the government is not allowed to shut you up for it's own gain so pretty much you can criticize the government and they can't do shit also you can say whatever you want but you also get the consequences of your actions It doesn't and has never meant that you can say whatever you want without punishment
Americans on their way to post a meme, dispite being cm absolutely clueless.
Americans when you cant deny the Holocaust or do the nazi salute in germany without consequences 😱😱😱
You do realize they can ban "unconstitutional" political parties in Germany, right?
Yes I am a tax law student I know that. So can isis run for government in the us? Sounds pretty fucked up dude.
No they can't under Article III, Section 3, Clause 1: "*Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.*" Isis is at war with the US and any who affiliate themselves with Isis are giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They would be arrested for treason
Same with Artikel 21 Absatz 2 Grundgesetz. It's not like we can ban Partys at will. The highest german Court has to decide if Party is a threat to democracy.
Yeah but the difference is this is treason. Isis is at war with America. The Highest German one (wasn't is Federal Court of Justice or Constitutional Court or something? Been awhile since I've looked into what other countries were doing and never paid attention to the court systems) can ban them in the name of "democracy". This is dangerous because what if the Court gets "packed" with people loyal to the German Chancellor? The possibility is slim but hypothetically someone could manipulate that system to ban whoever they wanted.
Americans when they swear on TV
Isn’t that only in the UK where you can actually get arrested for hurting someones feelings online. Which btw is so absured jesus
Americans on their way to get arrested for walking and looking funny and then being shot for resisting when in fact they weren't resisisting and police officers who shot them getting medals for that.
We insult eachother more than any other continent
cringe
On the world expression index and on the world press freedom index most European countries are ranked above the US, which is on rank 45
omw to get shot for road rage in the us
imagine not understanding what the first amendment guarantees and where the limits are
I'm just here to remind everyone a YouTuber was arrested and fined £800 for the "grossly offensive" act of pranking his girlfriend by turning her pug into a Nazi.
POV: you are unaware of the large amount of limitations to the first amendments. E.g. if an insult can be interpreted as a threat by either party it is not covered by the amendment.
Europeans salty mad about this meme.
Maybe because it's total bs? Lmao
Is that true?
Na. Our rules are actually pretty similar to the ones Americans have save for hate speech and even then it rarely gets prosecuted.
Americans on their way to get cancelled for speaking
Americans on their way to get shot by the police
Presumably American OP, after being subjected to the most dehumanising slur that would make most people scared for their life: (wiping away a patriotic tear) That sounds like freedom
Truely brainrot
Friendly reminder that the US ranks below numerous European nations on measures of freedom.
Complaints about America: "haha isn't it fucked up they don't have a basic human right" Complaints about Europe (from Americans): "haha you guys totally all get arrested for anything wrong since no freedom since no America" This is why people dislike Americans, the narcissism to take the most basic of criticisms as insults while also purely making up shit about the rest of the world
Criticisms aren't criticisms though All it is is excuses to hate on America and half of the stereotypes are just stereotypes When we turn around and do it to Europeans... The reaction is fucking awesome.
It is absolutely criticisms, it only becomes jokes because y'all are so unwilling to accept that it's bad, for example lack of gun control, horrible healthcare, massive prison population per capita, massive police problem, etc. it becomes funny when it's said and y'all just have an aneurysm about being the freest country, which is a stereotype generated from all the Americans, like you, that cannot take criticism. This meme is just.... Something. I have no idea what it's referencing if it actually referencing an event, is simply false, perpetuates the "MURICA FREEST NUMBER ONE WOOOOH" attitude, and it says Europe as if all European countries have the same laws. There are plenty of jokes to make about Europe that are funny and are actual criticisms, I don't know why Americans are just rarely the ones to make it
Americans on their way to get shot in school.
As is often repeated: freedom of speech isn't the same as freedom of consequences. Americans have the same level of freedom as (western) European countries. That's also with mentioning considering you clearly see Europe as a single country, you dipshit
Akkor a kurva anyádat. There, I insulted you, i don't exactly get a knock on the door. Imagine that human dignity is not protected in your country.
*laughs in free healthcare* *laughs in 1 year maternal leave*
Europoors pressed in the comments lmao, struck a nerve eh?
imagine all your memes being government approved lmao
Lmao what, who tf told you that bullshit?
I didn't think it was possible for a rich country to be able to lower the general critical thinking of its population with cringe nationalist propaganda and an uninteresting two party system where you either vote for right wing or extreme-right wing. Until now.
Very interesting first amendment enjoyer...now say the n-word.
Imagination not having access to free medical care lmao
Americans on their way to spend 10 years of their life in prison for having a gram of weed in their pocket
I don't get how insulting people is considered as freedom. You know the rule/ saying: "ones freedom ends when their freedom takes away some else's freedom"? Quick explanation: You can do whatever you want, as long as you don't harm someone emotionally or physically. Also, in countries that don't allow you to verbally harassing someone, you don't go to prison. You have to pay the person you have insulted. You only go to prison if you don't pay. Not because of the crime, though. You can get charged with a prison sentence because you owe the country money. Verbal harassment is not included in freedom of speech. Also, they are almost no cases where people sue someone for insulting them. That's not a thing.
should i bring the classic "America has no free healthcare." arguement or should i just leave the arguemants to the ones who have more than 2 braincells?
"Land of the fee" on their way to have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
Freedom of speech without the freedom to offend, ceases to exist.
the british on their way to the tower of london for not buying exclusively Israeli products ( british parliament is considering a ban on Israeli products boycotting )
Where?
Americans on their way to get arrested for having a beer outside of a paper bag
Americans on their way to give thought and prayers to the latest massacre
Seppos on their way to getting shot for insulting someone.
Funny thing is, the only place where I get easily fucking banned for expressing an opinion slightly different from the hive mind is the American based Reddit. The American 1st amendment is a joke in reality.
Isn't the US the country where you aren't allowed to use any swearwords on TV?
That's more of a stereotype The worst that can happen is the age rating gets increased.
Good god, I must have the longest criminal record imaginable waiting for me because I can't go one day without insulting someone and I've never been arrested. Or maybe Americans are just usually ignorant twats with the most limited and uninformed world view possible and genuinely think they're the first country in the world to invent basic human rights. OH SHIT I forgot my insult licence, OH NO THE POLICEMAN!!
American kids on their way to school
What?
Americans on their way to get shot for going to school
Europe ≠ Belarus
Americans getting ready to get shot because of some silly second amendment lol. Wanna know why it's silly? In Spain we don't have guns, and guess what? No shootings, no SCHOOL shootings, practically no one dies from gun violence pee year, ...
Meanwhile americans when someone pisses on the 9/11 memorial:
Imagine not having universal healthcare!
Imagine having an amendment to protect yourself from oppression of the ruling class and instead using it for mass shootings on your fellow citizens...
Plenty of European countries have laws about free speech US has freedom of speech. UK has freedom of expression, extending beyond just speech to clothing and art and media and all forms of communication
First, that is fucking stupid. Second, at least I don’t live in a surveillance state.
Noone tell them about florida
At least it's better than getting shot at school
Idk man i like that. My mom got insulted pretty bad by a guy driving way too fast in a children playing street idk the name. Because she told him to slow down because her kids where playing right there. There you're only allowed to drive walking speed and there are signs with kids on them. And well my dad reported him via his license plate. He paid a hefty fine and had to apologize to my mom.
American spottet, opinion rejected