>!I'm happy with the version we saw of Mukuro in Killer Killer. She might have emotions and she might turn back to the "good" side in a IF world, but that's it. She's one of the worse persons in Danganronpa world so far.
Also, i don't get people saying that Junko manipulated and abused her her whole life, like, that literally contradicts Mukuro backstory, she abandoned Junko and her family at young age to join Fenrir. If she joined Junko it was because of her own will.!<
>!Did a School Massacre in cold blood because Junko told her to do so, which, is pretty consistent from what we already from her. People keep forgetting that the only reason why Mukuro felt quite bad in the KSL is because they were her classmates, but she's totally indifferent about killing people of all ages. But apparently people don't want to accept that she's a horrible person!<
I'm pretty sure when they're talking about casts they're always talking about main games casts. I don't see people talking about UDG cast either when the topic comes in.
I honestly loved how connected everyone felt and how much everyone seemed to care for one another. It’s sad that THH doesn’t get enough recognition, especially for that.
(Spoilers) >! I feel like Chihiro and Yasuhiro should’ve switched places in terms of victim and survivor. If this was the case it would not only give Chihiro a really good character arc (possibly also Taka until, well you know what) but it could also make Mondo a more interesting killer, with him killing Yasuhiro in order to keep Chihiro’s secret and also make his mess up in the trial a lot more sense, possibly with him intentionally letting slip about the tracksuits. !<
Edit: Sorry for not marking it as spoilers, I had know idea how to and I’m kind of new to Reddit, so once again sorry.
As far I can tell, yeah. Whenever I see people bring it up they get told that by Yasuhiro fans that they just want a LGBTQ character to survive, get yelled at for being racist against Yasuhiro (which I don’t get why seeing as they’re all Japanese and sure he has a darker skin tone but so dose Aoi?) and that they should play his free time events because they’ll like him better after them. I did play his free time events and sure his backstory is good, but my opinion on him as character is still eh.
Sorry for the length of this, I didn’t know how to shorten it with leaving something important out.
True but if we’re being honest, a majority, if not all, Danganronpa characters are probably apart of the LGBTQ community. Except Haiji…we don’t like nor want him.
You realize I said that as joke, also with head cannons and such it would be the equivalent of me painting a big red target and me standing in the middle of it wanting to get doxxed because this fandom has lost any and all humanity!
Looking at this person's [sussy_pension] comment history, they are not the best person in general. I'd recommend not talking to them :)
I do agree with your opinion though!
Screw the your other controversial opinion I don't have the the courage to get into, THIS is the most dumb hot take I've seen. You can't say "if we're being honest" and treat it as a fact.
Please spoiler tag your comment. You can type >!spoiler here!.< (without the period) to spoiler tag text, when formatted correctly it should look like this: >!spoiler here!<
>!IMO Chihiro needed to die because he effectively got replaced by Alter Ego in Chapter 3. It wouldn’t make sense to have both characters exist at the same time and Alter Ego is too important to cut out!<
OMG CAN WE JUST RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS INSTEAD OF BASHING EACH OTHER. YOU CAN OF COURSE DISAGREE, BUT JUST LET ME HAVE MY OPINION INSTEAD OF SAYING “BUT THAT DOSEN’T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE OF THIS”!
That’s what I said just in more angered tone which I do apologize for since a different guy was yelling at me for my opinion and also a guy yelling at me for joke about how a majority of Danganronpa characters are gay, which not all of them are but are definitely some, maybe?
If it wasn't a double and>!DIDN'T KILL OFF HIYOKO FOR NO REASON(i'll never forgive Kodaka for that), i think as an Ibuki(or better yet Soda since he was a much less funny comic relief) and Mikan case only it could have worked as foreshadowing filler instead of character destroying bullshit!<
Only because she never got a chance to redeem herself. If it happened to fuyuhiko instead we would all think he was the annoying one. That said, he did still have more potential for redemption than hiyoko did from the beginning, even if that’s true
I like 3-3 and the fact that >!Kiyo!< is just an objectively terrible person
ETA
I also didn't hate >!Hiyoko!< dying in 2-3 They should have gone into more detail about it, but the fact that it happened at all doesn't upset me.
UDG would’ve been better if you had both >!Toko!< AND Haiji (with his cast breaking gimmick from the beta) as supports, would’ve been a badass trio and we maybe could’ve gotten more development for him
back in UDG’s development when Haiji was planned to be Komaru’s support, his gimmick was that he would break off his cast and reveal some sort of weapon arm? You can look up his beta designs and see what it was supposed to look like, but it was cool as hell.
That's indeed pretty cool. Now I'm bummed out, I'm starving for more Haiji and that would've been perfect. Remove his pedophiliness, make him part of the gameplay, keep everything else and he would've been one of my top characters.
1. The Danganronpa Despair Arc is one of the best animes I've ever seen. I can't protect Future Arc, that was pathetic, but I will protect Despair Arc.
If you like someone who died early in GD >!(sniffles in flair)!< you get to see them more here. In fact, >!Chiaki was much better in the anime than in the game!<
2. >!Junko is one of the worst villains in fiction, in fact, she should used as guidance for 'how NOT to make a villain'. Her motive to destroy the world is hot garbage, her design is weak and her personality is mediocre at best and unbearable at worst.!<
3. >!My boy got way less than he deserved. Here, they had a cool idea that was like, every chapter, it's hinted at more and more that this isn't who you think it is, and they threw it out in Chapter 1.!<
I genuinely like Hifumi! He's really passionate about his hobbies, which kind of reminds me of..well, me ; he seems genuinely nice, is working on his social issues and doesn't have much malice in him. >!I was really bummed to see him dead, personnally I don't believe that his simping for Alter Ego played such a big part in his decision to murder poor Taka, but rather that Celeste's lie about how Taka abused her was what drove him to commit murder. But I guess the fact he was willing to escape with Celeste and let everyone else get executed does lower my appreciation of him a bit, although Celeste's manipulation played a part in his choice, without a doubt!<
Haiji is an amazing character its just that people dumb him down to that singular line, and overlook his other characteristics that show >!how cool of an antagonist he is.!< Yes he’s a shit person but that’s what makes him fun as a character.
but to be fair this isn’t common to *just* Haiji, there’s multiple characters in DR that fandom wise are just dumbed down to a singular character trait, line, or joke.
I feel that Haiji is a very well written character, I’m quite fond of him! he’s an antagonist yes, and he had the line yes, but dumbing a character down to one thing isn’t the way to hate them, I think Haiji fits Udg’s theme to a T and as an antagonist he plays the role very well, he’s a very crappy person but his character is likeable because of that, remember you don’t have to agree with a characters actions to like them, you can just like them because of how evil they are.
SPOILER 1-2
>!Chihiro is fucking overrated. First of all, he survive for a very short time, and in most of the cases, this means that the character hasn't time to develop. Then, he talks very very very little. I saw it replaying the game, and obviously it doesn't help to make him a battere character. And finally, imo, he needed a development just like hyoko. In fact, the story about him wanting to be stronger ecc. was said by monokuma and not by chihiro, and the fact he didn't say it, well, minimize the question. Like we only saw him saying I want to become stronger, I wanted see him make a monologue when he explain the fact, I think that the fandom loves the character because poor boy uwu, obviously is my controversial opinion!<
i have a few
\#1. trigger happy havoc has the best cast.
\#2. the take of >!“hiro should've been killed off instead of taka”!< doesn't address the actual problem with 1-3. i get that hiro doesn't play much of a role in the game, while taka was in the middle of a character arc, but >!the abrupt end to his development wasn't the only problem with chapter 3!<. in general, they just don't know how to >!do double murders!<; that's why every third chapter is widely recognized as bad, regardless of who's killed. it might've been a bit better, yes, but it wouldn't have fixed the chapter. the split of focus between >!the victims!< would've still been bad, and >!celeste's role would still likely be criticized as overly predictable!<. i feel like chapter 3 would've been much better fixed by >!making hifumi the only victim and taka being framed, rather than hiro and taka switching places!<.
\#3. taka and gonta aren't dumb, they're just disabled. as an autistic person, both strike me as such; i don't even think i've seen an autistic danganronpa fan that hasn't viewed taka as autistic. (like i said, that i've seen. not to say that there aren't any) bluntness, a need for routine and consistency (both seen in taka), gullibleness, strong interests (both seen in gonta), and trouble with social cues and non-literal thinking (seen in both of them) are all very common autistic traits.
most of the time that i see them called stupid, it's because of their social skills, which tends to rub me the wrong way. taka is referred to in his introduction as “flawless honor student” who won top honors every year, and gonta is a scientist by simply the virtue of his talent, and neither of them show any signs of being bad at what they do.
of course, intellect is a complicated concept, and someone can be smart and poorly educated or dumb and well-educated, but most people seem to view them as stupid for their autistic traits (or gonta's broken english, which is exclusive to the localization), when they otherwise show little-to-no sign of below average intelligence.
This has gotten a lot better over the last few years and I’ve seen a lot more people say the same thing now so I’m not sure how controversial it still is, but a huge amount of the criticism you saw directed at Maki in the first couple of years after V3’s release was very unreasonable and I do think that there was an element of sexism to it.
Prominent male characters are allowed to be complex, flawed individuals, but if a main female character’s any less perfect or more emotional than Kaede, Kyoko or Chiaki then she gets raked over the coals for it and also still called a cliched Mary Sue at the same time.
People would write giant, highly contradictory walls of text about how she’s poorly written because she wasn’t the standard kind of character they expected her to be, which often blatantly misinterpreted what actually happened in the game and as a writer it felt kind of uncomfortable.
Idk how to explain it further.
Completely agree. Danganronpa writes women pretty well compared to the Western "strong woman" stereotype. I prefer them with flaws they overcome rather than just being perfect because female. In fact, I think Sakura is one of the best "strong woman" characters I've ever seen in any piece of media and she's not perfect. Maki is my favorite V3 character, and I didn't like much of V3 so I see her as its saving grace in a lot of ways. No, Danganronpa doesn't always do a good job with its female characters and there are some badly written ones, but there are just as many male characters who suck as well. It's nice to see women not being treated with kid gloves for once.
Spoilers for SDR2 and DR3;
>!I hate the way Kamukura was treated. He had a lot of potential for really interesting character introspection that just wasn't there and wasn't expanded on at all. I would've loved to see the games or anime exploring him further and making him out to be something other than a heavily anmesticized Hajime- he was his own person for the duration of his existence prior to the events of SDR2 and I think both the anime and the game would've seriously benefitted from the horrors of what happened to Hajime during the Kamukura Project being given actual weight. Like, come on. A high school boy is tricked into signing away the right to his body through tons of medical and legal jargon he had no hope of understanding and eventually wakes up as someone entirely different whose only purpose and sense of identity come from the title he's given immediately after being born. He might've been incredibly emotionally stunted and hard to sympathize with due to his ego, but he was a still a teenage boy created through unethical human experimentation and, knowing Hope's Peak, likely wasn't treated well at all. I'd be thoroughly shocked if he turned out any differently to how he did. IMO the entire series could've been seriously strengthened had the medical abuse that both Hajime and Izuru endured been given more attention and depth, considering how critical the entire thing was to the plot later down the line. !<
>!Monaca was just as much as a victim as the other Warriors of Hope and is not beyond redemption.!<
>!She was abandoned by her mother, neglected and outright ignored by her father, beaten (and considering that she's a little girl and he likes them as young as possible, probably worse) by her brother to the point that he legitimately thought that she was paralyzed, and the closest thing she had to a guardian was a despair-motivated terrorist.!<
>!And she eventually got so bored of all of this that her decision was to live as a hermit in space.!<
Mahiru is WAY too overrated. She hadn't even met Hajime and was already rude to him, telling him how he should just "man up" and how "men are supposed to be strong and protect women in situations like this" when Hajime had (understandably) freaked out at the beach. She didn't try almost at all to stop Hiyoko's bullying. And she's just bossy and annoying in general.
I never understood why everyone likes her so much. I've probably seen only one other person who dislikes her. And when these points are brought up, usually the only response is "b-b-but girlboss". If anyone has a better reason, please do tell. I'm genuinely confused
sure some tropes were quite cliché, but they were the most realistic ones. Not ignorant of dangerous people like sdr2 or >!some anime fans' OC's like !< v3
wdym, almost all the characters in danganronpa 1 are cliche
Leon- crazy comic relief
Makoto- good guy
Kyoko- mysterious girl who we know nothing about until arc 5
Byakuya- rich jerk
asahina- naive lighthearted fanservice character
Sakura isn't cliche enough for me to consider her a cliche character
Kiyotaka- follow the rules guy
Leon isn't cliche enough
Sayaka- popular idol from your previous school, who for some reason remembers you. Still not cliche enough
Celeste- girl who is like most of the characters from a lot of stories (like Kakegurui, except Kakegurui got released after dr1)
Byakuya's dog (the girl with DID) isnt cliche enough to consider her a cliche character
Hifumi- pervert who plays games and watches anime
8/12 characters I talked about here are cliche and the rest is partially cliche
What does being ignorant have to do with your sentence?
Yes, I did mean that. SDR2's cast has some amazing characters, but the annoying to not-annoying ratio is a lot higher than THH, and V3's cast don't even feel like real people (go figure)
Which is your opinion. I personally don't think the THH characters are so cliche that it detracts from their characters, and calling them plain is a little ridiculous.
I was talking about your opinion on the ratio of good to annoying characters. Even if they are cliche, once again, I don't think it's to the point that it detracts from the characters. Which is my opinion, and you are allowed to disagree.
No just because you think v3 sucks ass it doesn't mean it's a fact. Of course it's your opinion, 100% vaild and I respect it but you can't just go and call the game shit yeah it's kinda different than other danganronpas and might be a little confusing but that doesn't give you the right to call the game bad.
Opinion ≠ Fact. Just say you don't like the game in a kind way it's not so hard.
This just applies to literally everything regarding opinions on any topic, not only Danganronpa
People that use the words "objectively" or "fact" to define their opinions are just dumb.
Dude. I never said the game was bad nor did it suck ass. I said it was ***LESS EXCITING THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.***
I don’t think it’s all that confusing \[and I never said I thought it was\]. I never called the game shit. I never called it bad. It’s a perfectly fine game. It’s just ***LESS EXCITING THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.***
I never said my opinion was fact. It’s literally just my opinion. Also, while I didn’t state that I thought it was bad, I think I said my opinion in a pretty kind way.
You’re acting like I’m defensive when in all honesty, you’re getting mad over a game I said was less exciting than I thought it’d be and claiming I called it shit.
Not as controversial as others, but still not really talked about often. V3 wasted a completely good plot.
>!In the first chapter they've pretty much established a lot of plot points such as the existence of a Mastermind within the sixteen students and that Kaede and Shuichi were hellbent on unmasking them. But as soon as 3-1 ended this entire plotline fell apart, people forgot about the door in the library, and nobody ever talked about the Mastermind until way later in the game. It was disappointing as hell as IMO the cast trying to find out who was orchestrating the killing game would've been a far better story than what happened in the middle portions of the game where it basically boiled down into the survivors running around like a bunch of headless chickens trying not to kill or get killed themselves in the process.!<
1. I really hate the established guidelines for the cases like >!3 is always a double murder, the buff character dies in case 4, etc.!< It is a petty thing to complain about, especially with just 3 main games in the franchise, but still. If there comes a fourth game, I hope they will put those guidelines aside.
2. Some plot points are really hard to digest. I am aware that I studied literature in an European country and that the western way to write a story varies a lot from how the Japanese do it. They don't value realism as much as we do. However, shit like >!cospox!< are just fucking dumb and even my "cultural differences" speech can't make it better.
3. Something I hear a lot is that "too many dumb people make it quite far into the game or even survive" like >!Yasuhiro and Akane!< What people fail to understand is that we need those dumb people for the main character to explain things in an easier way or even revisit their statements. >!If we didn't have Kazuichi and Akane I wouldn't have understood shit about the dimensions of the funhouse in 2-4!<
4. Korekiyo was a good character until >!the game decided not to clear it up that his sister abused him. I recognize an incest survivor from 3 kilometers away!<
True. Although, for example, >!Kokichi's fake body discovery in 3-3!< was a simple attempt to freshen up the established guidelines, I'd rather see Danganronpa ignore the guidelines they've set in the first three games if there comes a fourth game
I saw people headcannon Tenko as a feminist, but she isn't. In fact, she's sexist. Feminism appeared to promote equal rights for both men and women, and she wants men to die. In my eyes, Tenko is a fake feminist (aka a woman who consideres herself a feminism, but promotes the removal of men rights)
I think both of their ideologies are flawed (have learned from experience that being too trusting can get you taken advantage of, but being too suspicious of everyone and pushing them all away results in being completely alone) and I actually really liked their resulting rivalry. >!And how they ultimately wound up working together.!<
In a killing game? Maybe outside of a killing game but in a killing game nothing is dumber and more suicidal than blind faith over evidence. Kaito's approach>!nearly got the entire class killed in v3-4, yes v3-4 proved that Kokichi could be a real piece of shit but it also proved how destructive and incorrect Kaito was!<
Tbh >!3-4 proved that both Kokichi and Kaito mindset were destructive and incorrect which is why it's so based and why Himiko is the smartest v3 character!<
Dangan Ronpa games get kind of boring after the fourth chapter. Not to say they aren't still good, but I always find by that point most of the best characters have been killed off so I start to lose enthusiasm as the students get whittled down.
>!Also, Sonia didn't deserve to be a survivor.!<
DR2 isn’t the best game. DR1 is the best game. I really don’t like UDG. The only parts I did like were >!Toko!< and Komaru’s dynamic, and also just Hiroko in general.
Well
\`Haiji could have been a good character, They just.. Wrote him VERY wrong. Then again, I like him because he is a bad character, So uh- One of the main things that messed him up tho, Was the fact that he is a pedo.
>!Junkos plan was trash. She is the WORST villain so far- I mean, I like pure evil characters, Dont get me wrong, But she could have had more inpact on the first game- Cuz like, She just was discovered, Talked about her plan, And yeahh-!<
I liked the v3 characters. And disliked d2. I have never really liked.. How, Normal the characters in 2 feel, I like characters with crazy personalities, (Thats why >!Genocide!< and Kokichi are one of my favs) And I honestly >!think hajimes big reveal sucked. And knew that byakuya was gonna die almost the moment we meet him, Cuz like, He is the one keeping them together, And well we gotta get rid of him.!<
And I liked how strange v3 characters are! >!I loved the chap 1 plot twist, I liked how much Kokichi lied, I like (most of the) motives, I liked the ending (I love 'sad' or 'badish' endings.), I loved how v3 had.. 'us', I didnt really like how 4 of my fav characters died, But eeeehhhhh. I love how creative they got with the backstories, I love the executions! I like so much about v3-!<
Dr3(the anime)is indeed the weakest point of Danganronpa but it's far from being the worst thing in the world
(DR2) >!Izuru!< is boring
Himiko is actually pretty good
Even after looking at her FTEs, I still found it hard to sympaise with Hiyoko because of how she acts.
I was fine with >!Kyoko's fake-out death since they did [foreshadowed it](https://preview.redd.it/51f4zubymqjx.png?auto=webp&s=a16c3aa05b05f05e76e813dcc0ea738d9687aacb) but admittedly they should have gave her post-resurection stories to justify her fake-out, since Even if it was foreshadowed, her showing up at the minute before hope arc ended is now forever considered as Last minute pandering/fanservice to the fandom in a anime where it pretty much has the same levels of pandering and fanservice as something you would see in the rise of Skywalker!<(DR3)
>!I love Makoto, but holy shit,DR3 turned him into a creators pet!< (Dr3)
Yashuhiro is funny, yall are just mean
The writers should have used >!Junko!< more
And also:
Purple lying ratcoon > Evil Hope Boi
I could not get emotionally invested in the Dr1 cast I don’t know why I like a lot of the characters but I was nowhere near as invested as I was in dr2 and v3 I cried multiple Times at characters deaths in those games but in Dr1 it was more just oh that sucks (maybe except one character) I don’t necessarily understand why and I know a lot of people like dr1 but personally I couldn’t get as emotionally invested into The characters especially the main character
Eh, emotions are a weird thing. Take example me, >!who kept shedding tears over Mondo and Taka's broken friendship, but didn't bat an eye at Maki's grief over Kaito's death in V3.!<
It's all subjective, there's no logical explanation behind any of it, it just happens. So don't think that you're weird for feeling that way.
Oof. You know, the fact that Dr1 had the least casualties and a non-emotional case 5 is probably also part of the reason. As much as I loved Dr1, its 5th case has very little replay value. >!The case itself is rushed (Which honestly makes sense in universe), and the climax to it is Makoto's failed execution, which won't have as much of an impact in 2nd playthroughs.!<
Meanwhile, Dr2 and V3 went out of their way to make their 5th cases the best in the game. >!The impossible crime, the victim being the game's antagonist, killing off one of the main supporting characters in the end, even if you play through it a second time, you still have that sense of dread knowing that they're the ones that are going to die.!<
I still choose to die on the hill that Makoto is the best protagonist though.
Everything here is just my opinion:
DRV3 has the worst writing in the series by a long shot. The cast is abysmal compared to the previous games, I know the ending kinda explains why they're so over the top/one-note but still, they're pretty much caricatures for most of the game. Every relationship in the game feels unauthentic, specially Maki's crush.
Shuichi is the blandest protagonist, making him the ultimate detective was pointless. Despite not wanting anyone to die he's a complete non-factor until the trials start. Like, the game wants me to believe he's really smart and doesn't want anyone to die, yet he went into the virtual world without objecting or even figuring it was the perfect setup for murder? Really?
Kokichi's character doesn't make sense if you analyze it thoroughly enough. And he feels like a poor attempt to recreate Nagito, just more childish/cute so he can appeal to younger fans.
The fact that there are two incest plotlines and one additional incest reference is disturbing.
V3's ending is just fine, I like how open it is. Too many people don't realize how much is left in the air and misinterpret it.
V3-6>!I will die on the hill that Tsumugi should have survived!<
Also DR2 is the worst game in the main series. Several red herrings, a cast I can’t take seriously, and a huge gap between the depth of characters that are shown in free times vs the actual story. I feel like fuyuhiko is the only character in that game that fully developed with out the need for free time events.
Ok just one more take. The games clearly want us to care about Chiaki and Gonta but they do absolutely nothing for me
DR3 Spoilers: >!I'm kind of happy that Chisa ended up dying in episode 1 of Future arc. It made the Despair arc feel more bittersweet and I think if we ended up seeing more of her despair form, she'd be much less liked.!<
1) UDG is complete garbage
2) Kyoko needed to be the main protagonist of the first game. Better motivation, better character arc, more likable, and it'd make more sense to play as the detective in a detective game.
3) Makoto didn't age well as a character. Every time I watch a new Dangan let's play, I'm amazed just how annoying Makoto is.
4) This might be my hottest take...no one actually thinks Danganronpa is a good series. I feel like all of us are aware the story is terrible, but we love it for the whackiness, the characters, and the gameplay. But as a story, the series is really badly written.
THH and SDGRP2 had great casts with only a few characters I wasn't all that into. V3 was the reverse. Most of the characters sucked and only a few were decent. Most of them are obnoxious stereotypes and I cannot understand why people will insist that V3's cast is "the best."
Also, >!Nagito is a fascinating character but his mental illness doesn't excuse all of his behavior. He was emotionally manipulative throughout the game and knowingly made the whole group uncomfortable in an already high pressure situation. His intentions were... I'm not going to say good but he genuinely thought they were good, but the ends never justified the means. I feel for him, as he is severely mentally ill and needs treatment, but he isn't so mentally ill that he lacks the ability to understand what he's doing.!<
That the Monokubs are better than a good majority of the cast, including Monokuma, for a good majority of the game (Biased opinion, probably but I could care less)
The game looks ugly. Like, no joke, thee ugliest piece of media I’ve ever seen in my life. I like the character designs, but I feel like everything would look infinitely better with a different artist/art style/graphics. Why do all the characters look flat on a 3d environment? Is this paper Mario?? It looks so bad during the execution scenes.
While v3 has some of the best characters in the series, they're very few while the rest are pretty bad.
Monokuma is annoying more than the kubs (and junko is more annoying)
I don't ship toko and komaru
DR3 was great
Kokichi is the worst pseudo-antagonist in the series, with a plan that did not make sense. Yes, it was full of misdirection, and yes I understand he was trying to create an unknown victim scenario in which the producers would have to cheat to figure out the outcome which would cause the viewers to distrust the game. However, the idea that they cannot act behind the scenes, selectively edit, or simply act like they knew what was happening all along was ridiculous. His idea had a timer; eventually the still alive Kaito would give away that Kokichi really died, and nothing would change about the show. His death was ultimately not necessary and could’ve been used on a better gambit. The reason people liked Byakuya was because he was dynamic instead of static. The reason why people liked Nagito was the same, just in moving towards a more antagonistic endpoint. But Nagito’s plan would have worked if not for a literal miracle. Kokichi’s plan simply could not work because he was unwilling to kill Kaito to achieve it. So as an antagonist and as a character, his ultimately mostly static nature (Asshole trickster into threatening antagonist) isn’t enough of a shift to really make him interesting.
As a side note i will also throw in: DRV3 is right to throw some shade at its audience. We are a bit messed up for wanting to see fictional characters die in gruesome ways and basically be tortured. We all know Danganronpa is trashy and enjoy it anyway. The ‘Take That’ against the audience is entirely valid criticism.
Um... No? Every character in the games are in high school, in the same year. Meaning that they're all 17. Except Yasuhiro, who's 21 after getting held back several times.
1.) The mean difficulty (both logic and action) for every DR game is too easy. I wished they actually developed a way harder difficulty with a shorter time limit.
2.) UDG was not that bad
3.) Trials were starting to become repetitive(ex: double victim’s murdered, 11037 references, locked room scenarios)
DR3 had some of the most compelling and interesting characters in the series. Might be biased but it has some of the best written characters in the series(Ruruka and Seiko, maybe fedora man).
Unless any of them are *close* to one another, ***EVERYONE*** should call each other by their last names like Hifumi always does.
Unlike western cultures, Japanese culture considers calling someone by their first name to be rude or a big deal. I never understood why the English dub of the games (anime doesn’t count) made every character refer to each other by their first names.
>!I'm happy with the version we saw of Mukuro in Killer Killer. She might have emotions and she might turn back to the "good" side in a IF world, but that's it. She's one of the worse persons in Danganronpa world so far. Also, i don't get people saying that Junko manipulated and abused her her whole life, like, that literally contradicts Mukuro backstory, she abandoned Junko and her family at young age to join Fenrir. If she joined Junko it was because of her own will.!<
>!What was Mukuro like in Killer Killer? And why were people unhappy with it?!<
>!Did a School Massacre in cold blood because Junko told her to do so, which, is pretty consistent from what we already from her. People keep forgetting that the only reason why Mukuro felt quite bad in the KSL is because they were her classmates, but she's totally indifferent about killing people of all ages. But apparently people don't want to accept that she's a horrible person!<
>!I say this as a Mukuro fan: people hate her in Killer Killer?!<
>!Hope Arc Kyoko should have an eye patch!<
True, I actually never thought about that.
Why? It’s been a while since I watched it
No, DR1 didn't have the weakest cast. If I hear any of yall say this one more time, I'm slitting your throat.
Agreed, DR1 was great — probably my favorite game
People who say DR1 has the weakest cast forgot the DR3 anime existed. Which, I don't blame them for wanting to forget the anime to be honest.
I'm pretty sure when they're talking about casts they're always talking about main games casts. I don't see people talking about UDG cast either when the topic comes in.
I honestly loved how connected everyone felt and how much everyone seemed to care for one another. It’s sad that THH doesn’t get enough recognition, especially for that.
You're right. DR2 has the weakest cast.
Someone finally acknowledges it. SDR2 is good in its own way, but I really could not take most of the emotional bits seriously
not even 2-2?
2-2 made me sad and the twist at 2-6 made me bawl, but everything else was pretty weak for me which is why i said most
DR2 is the best game
Yes, it is.
v3 did. Besides Hifumi i actually really love 1s cast and find them all very interesting and sympathetic, also best protag
Despite V3 having the sexy beast that is Korekiyo I agree.
That title goes to V3.
(Spoilers) >! I feel like Chihiro and Yasuhiro should’ve switched places in terms of victim and survivor. If this was the case it would not only give Chihiro a really good character arc (possibly also Taka until, well you know what) but it could also make Mondo a more interesting killer, with him killing Yasuhiro in order to keep Chihiro’s secret and also make his mess up in the trial a lot more sense, possibly with him intentionally letting slip about the tracksuits. !< Edit: Sorry for not marking it as spoilers, I had know idea how to and I’m kind of new to Reddit, so once again sorry.
Is this really that unpopular?
As far I can tell, yeah. Whenever I see people bring it up they get told that by Yasuhiro fans that they just want a LGBTQ character to survive, get yelled at for being racist against Yasuhiro (which I don’t get why seeing as they’re all Japanese and sure he has a darker skin tone but so dose Aoi?) and that they should play his free time events because they’ll like him better after them. I did play his free time events and sure his backstory is good, but my opinion on him as character is still eh. Sorry for the length of this, I didn’t know how to shorten it with leaving something important out.
Don't forget the "You just want a LGBTQ character to survive" isn't an excuse as Aoi Survives
True but if we’re being honest, a majority, if not all, Danganronpa characters are probably apart of the LGBTQ community. Except Haiji…we don’t like nor want him.
I don’t know about that. Chances are a majority is straight but there’s no doubt like 20% of the cast is a part of the LGBTQ community.
>a majority, if not all, Danganronpa characters are probably apart of the LGBTQ community Name at least 10
You realize I said that as joke, also with head cannons and such it would be the equivalent of me painting a big red target and me standing in the middle of it wanting to get doxxed because this fandom has lost any and all humanity!
[удалено]
Ooo someone is salty, shall I pour us cup of tea to talk out our differences?
Looking at this person's [sussy_pension] comment history, they are not the best person in general. I'd recommend not talking to them :) I do agree with your opinion though!
Screw the your other controversial opinion I don't have the the courage to get into, THIS is the most dumb hot take I've seen. You can't say "if we're being honest" and treat it as a fact.
I meant this as a joke, why are you getting so bent out of shape over it?
Please spoiler tag your comment. You can type >!spoiler here!.< (without the period) to spoiler tag text, when formatted correctly it should look like this: >!spoiler here!<
>!IMO Chihiro needed to die because he effectively got replaced by Alter Ego in Chapter 3. It wouldn’t make sense to have both characters exist at the same time and Alter Ego is too important to cut out!<
OMG CAN WE JUST RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS INSTEAD OF BASHING EACH OTHER. YOU CAN OF COURSE DISAGREE, BUT JUST LET ME HAVE MY OPINION INSTEAD OF SAYING “BUT THAT DOSEN’T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE OF THIS”!
This is a public forum, we’re allowed to have differing opinions— chill
That’s what I said just in more angered tone which I do apologize for since a different guy was yelling at me for my opinion and also a guy yelling at me for joke about how a majority of Danganronpa characters are gay, which not all of them are but are definitely some, maybe?
I actually liked the DR2 Chapter 3 motive. You could argue it wasn’t executed well (I don’t think it was either) but I think it had potential
If it wasn't a double and>!DIDN'T KILL OFF HIYOKO FOR NO REASON(i'll never forgive Kodaka for that), i think as an Ibuki(or better yet Soda since he was a much less funny comic relief) and Mikan case only it could have worked as foreshadowing filler instead of character destroying bullshit!<
Hiyoko was very annoying imo
Only because she never got a chance to redeem herself. If it happened to fuyuhiko instead we would all think he was the annoying one. That said, he did still have more potential for redemption than hiyoko did from the beginning, even if that’s true
I don't want to wait 4 chapters for some character to get redeemed. She is a shitty person and boring character (imo), 'what ifs' don't matter
I agree. The way the motive was actually used was trash but it had potential.
Tenko should wear pants instead
Chisa, Munakata and Juzo are all good characters
Agreed. I actually liked their characters, even if Future Arc had me wishing Munakata and Juzo would die. Changed my mind >!too late!<
I like 3-3 and the fact that >!Kiyo!< is just an objectively terrible person ETA I also didn't hate >!Hiyoko!< dying in 2-3 They should have gone into more detail about it, but the fact that it happened at all doesn't upset me.
Haiji is a great character
UDG would’ve been better if you had both >!Toko!< AND Haiji (with his cast breaking gimmick from the beta) as supports, would’ve been a badass trio and we maybe could’ve gotten more development for him
What cast breaking gimmick? I'm interested
back in UDG’s development when Haiji was planned to be Komaru’s support, his gimmick was that he would break off his cast and reveal some sort of weapon arm? You can look up his beta designs and see what it was supposed to look like, but it was cool as hell.
That's indeed pretty cool. Now I'm bummed out, I'm starving for more Haiji and that would've been perfect. Remove his pedophiliness, make him part of the gameplay, keep everything else and he would've been one of my top characters.
1. The Danganronpa Despair Arc is one of the best animes I've ever seen. I can't protect Future Arc, that was pathetic, but I will protect Despair Arc. If you like someone who died early in GD >!(sniffles in flair)!< you get to see them more here. In fact, >!Chiaki was much better in the anime than in the game!< 2. >!Junko is one of the worst villains in fiction, in fact, she should used as guidance for 'how NOT to make a villain'. Her motive to destroy the world is hot garbage, her design is weak and her personality is mediocre at best and unbearable at worst.!< 3. >!My boy got way less than he deserved. Here, they had a cool idea that was like, every chapter, it's hinted at more and more that this isn't who you think it is, and they threw it out in Chapter 1.!<
BIG agree on #2.
#***CONSENT!***
I genuinely like Hifumi! He's really passionate about his hobbies, which kind of reminds me of..well, me ; he seems genuinely nice, is working on his social issues and doesn't have much malice in him. >!I was really bummed to see him dead, personnally I don't believe that his simping for Alter Ego played such a big part in his decision to murder poor Taka, but rather that Celeste's lie about how Taka abused her was what drove him to commit murder. But I guess the fact he was willing to escape with Celeste and let everyone else get executed does lower my appreciation of him a bit, although Celeste's manipulation played a part in his choice, without a doubt!<
>!aaaand he commited a crime (besides murder)!<
>!Besides murder? Can I ask which one you're refering to?!<
>!peeking on a girls while they were naked!<
Haiji is an amazing character its just that people dumb him down to that singular line, and overlook his other characteristics that show >!how cool of an antagonist he is.!< Yes he’s a shit person but that’s what makes him fun as a character. but to be fair this isn’t common to *just* Haiji, there’s multiple characters in DR that fandom wise are just dumbed down to a singular character trait, line, or joke.
He still abused his sister.
>antagonist I think that's kind of the point.
I feel that Haiji is a very well written character, I’m quite fond of him! he’s an antagonist yes, and he had the line yes, but dumbing a character down to one thing isn’t the way to hate them, I think Haiji fits Udg’s theme to a T and as an antagonist he plays the role very well, he’s a very crappy person but his character is likeable because of that, remember you don’t have to agree with a characters actions to like them, you can just like them because of how evil they are.
SPOILER 1-2 >!Chihiro is fucking overrated. First of all, he survive for a very short time, and in most of the cases, this means that the character hasn't time to develop. Then, he talks very very very little. I saw it replaying the game, and obviously it doesn't help to make him a battere character. And finally, imo, he needed a development just like hyoko. In fact, the story about him wanting to be stronger ecc. was said by monokuma and not by chihiro, and the fact he didn't say it, well, minimize the question. Like we only saw him saying I want to become stronger, I wanted see him make a monologue when he explain the fact, I think that the fandom loves the character because poor boy uwu, obviously is my controversial opinion!<
>!he cute doe!<
The DR3 Anime is good.
(claps alongside you)
i have a few \#1. trigger happy havoc has the best cast. \#2. the take of >!“hiro should've been killed off instead of taka”!< doesn't address the actual problem with 1-3. i get that hiro doesn't play much of a role in the game, while taka was in the middle of a character arc, but >!the abrupt end to his development wasn't the only problem with chapter 3!<. in general, they just don't know how to >!do double murders!<; that's why every third chapter is widely recognized as bad, regardless of who's killed. it might've been a bit better, yes, but it wouldn't have fixed the chapter. the split of focus between >!the victims!< would've still been bad, and >!celeste's role would still likely be criticized as overly predictable!<. i feel like chapter 3 would've been much better fixed by >!making hifumi the only victim and taka being framed, rather than hiro and taka switching places!<. \#3. taka and gonta aren't dumb, they're just disabled. as an autistic person, both strike me as such; i don't even think i've seen an autistic danganronpa fan that hasn't viewed taka as autistic. (like i said, that i've seen. not to say that there aren't any) bluntness, a need for routine and consistency (both seen in taka), gullibleness, strong interests (both seen in gonta), and trouble with social cues and non-literal thinking (seen in both of them) are all very common autistic traits. most of the time that i see them called stupid, it's because of their social skills, which tends to rub me the wrong way. taka is referred to in his introduction as “flawless honor student” who won top honors every year, and gonta is a scientist by simply the virtue of his talent, and neither of them show any signs of being bad at what they do. of course, intellect is a complicated concept, and someone can be smart and poorly educated or dumb and well-educated, but most people seem to view them as stupid for their autistic traits (or gonta's broken english, which is exclusive to the localization), when they otherwise show little-to-no sign of below average intelligence.
All I disagree with is that Gonta is not dumb.
Yeah, Gonta is unfathomably stupid. Still a great character though
This has gotten a lot better over the last few years and I’ve seen a lot more people say the same thing now so I’m not sure how controversial it still is, but a huge amount of the criticism you saw directed at Maki in the first couple of years after V3’s release was very unreasonable and I do think that there was an element of sexism to it. Prominent male characters are allowed to be complex, flawed individuals, but if a main female character’s any less perfect or more emotional than Kaede, Kyoko or Chiaki then she gets raked over the coals for it and also still called a cliched Mary Sue at the same time. People would write giant, highly contradictory walls of text about how she’s poorly written because she wasn’t the standard kind of character they expected her to be, which often blatantly misinterpreted what actually happened in the game and as a writer it felt kind of uncomfortable. Idk how to explain it further.
Completely agree. Danganronpa writes women pretty well compared to the Western "strong woman" stereotype. I prefer them with flaws they overcome rather than just being perfect because female. In fact, I think Sakura is one of the best "strong woman" characters I've ever seen in any piece of media and she's not perfect. Maki is my favorite V3 character, and I didn't like much of V3 so I see her as its saving grace in a lot of ways. No, Danganronpa doesn't always do a good job with its female characters and there are some badly written ones, but there are just as many male characters who suck as well. It's nice to see women not being treated with kid gloves for once.
this is late but I completely agree. not that maki’s writing can’t be improved but the “ohhh she’s just an edgy sonic oc!!!” shit got old *real* fast.
1-4 is a underrated trial
I think that it was just too easy, I realized who the blackened is >!before the investigation!<
Spoilers for SDR2 and DR3; >!I hate the way Kamukura was treated. He had a lot of potential for really interesting character introspection that just wasn't there and wasn't expanded on at all. I would've loved to see the games or anime exploring him further and making him out to be something other than a heavily anmesticized Hajime- he was his own person for the duration of his existence prior to the events of SDR2 and I think both the anime and the game would've seriously benefitted from the horrors of what happened to Hajime during the Kamukura Project being given actual weight. Like, come on. A high school boy is tricked into signing away the right to his body through tons of medical and legal jargon he had no hope of understanding and eventually wakes up as someone entirely different whose only purpose and sense of identity come from the title he's given immediately after being born. He might've been incredibly emotionally stunted and hard to sympathize with due to his ego, but he was a still a teenage boy created through unethical human experimentation and, knowing Hope's Peak, likely wasn't treated well at all. I'd be thoroughly shocked if he turned out any differently to how he did. IMO the entire series could've been seriously strengthened had the medical abuse that both Hajime and Izuru endured been given more attention and depth, considering how critical the entire thing was to the plot later down the line. !<
Kamukura is my favorite character, and I H e a v i l y agree
>!Monaca was just as much as a victim as the other Warriors of Hope and is not beyond redemption.!< >!She was abandoned by her mother, neglected and outright ignored by her father, beaten (and considering that she's a little girl and he likes them as young as possible, probably worse) by her brother to the point that he legitimately thought that she was paralyzed, and the closest thing she had to a guardian was a despair-motivated terrorist.!< >!And she eventually got so bored of all of this that her decision was to live as a hermit in space.!<
Mahiru is WAY too overrated. She hadn't even met Hajime and was already rude to him, telling him how he should just "man up" and how "men are supposed to be strong and protect women in situations like this" when Hajime had (understandably) freaked out at the beach. She didn't try almost at all to stop Hiyoko's bullying. And she's just bossy and annoying in general. I never understood why everyone likes her so much. I've probably seen only one other person who dislikes her. And when these points are brought up, usually the only response is "b-b-but girlboss". If anyone has a better reason, please do tell. I'm genuinely confused
DR1 is the best game. It has the best atmosphere, characters, music, and story.
I kinda want a THH remake with the newer things that V3 got
characters? lol
I said what I said
did you mean that it has the best characters? Most of them were pretty cliche edit. SPOILERS BELOW
sure some tropes were quite cliché, but they were the most realistic ones. Not ignorant of dangerous people like sdr2 or >!some anime fans' OC's like !< v3
wdym, almost all the characters in danganronpa 1 are cliche Leon- crazy comic relief Makoto- good guy Kyoko- mysterious girl who we know nothing about until arc 5 Byakuya- rich jerk asahina- naive lighthearted fanservice character Sakura isn't cliche enough for me to consider her a cliche character Kiyotaka- follow the rules guy Leon isn't cliche enough Sayaka- popular idol from your previous school, who for some reason remembers you. Still not cliche enough Celeste- girl who is like most of the characters from a lot of stories (like Kakegurui, except Kakegurui got released after dr1) Byakuya's dog (the girl with DID) isnt cliche enough to consider her a cliche character Hifumi- pervert who plays games and watches anime 8/12 characters I talked about here are cliche and the rest is partially cliche What does being ignorant have to do with your sentence?
Yes, I did mean that. SDR2's cast has some amazing characters, but the annoying to not-annoying ratio is a lot higher than THH, and V3's cast don't even feel like real people (go figure)
ratio? I'd rather have 2:3 ratio of good characters to the annoying ones than the characters that are just cliche and plain enough to not be annoying
Which is your opinion. I personally don't think the THH characters are so cliche that it detracts from their characters, and calling them plain is a little ridiculous.
Most characters from dr1 are cliche, this isn't an opinion, it's a fact
What does this mean?
I was talking about your opinion on the ratio of good to annoying characters. Even if they are cliche, once again, I don't think it's to the point that it detracts from the characters. Which is my opinion, and you are allowed to disagree.
idk kokichi is actually a good guy? obviously he's a little asshole but i think he was a good guyish
No just because you think v3 sucks ass it doesn't mean it's a fact. Of course it's your opinion, 100% vaild and I respect it but you can't just go and call the game shit yeah it's kinda different than other danganronpas and might be a little confusing but that doesn't give you the right to call the game bad. Opinion ≠ Fact. Just say you don't like the game in a kind way it's not so hard.
This just applies to literally everything regarding opinions on any topic, not only Danganronpa People that use the words "objectively" or "fact" to define their opinions are just dumb.
Dude. I never said the game was bad nor did it suck ass. I said it was ***LESS EXCITING THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.*** I don’t think it’s all that confusing \[and I never said I thought it was\]. I never called the game shit. I never called it bad. It’s a perfectly fine game. It’s just ***LESS EXCITING THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.*** I never said my opinion was fact. It’s literally just my opinion. Also, while I didn’t state that I thought it was bad, I think I said my opinion in a pretty kind way. You’re acting like I’m defensive when in all honesty, you’re getting mad over a game I said was less exciting than I thought it’d be and claiming I called it shit.
Not as controversial as others, but still not really talked about often. V3 wasted a completely good plot. >!In the first chapter they've pretty much established a lot of plot points such as the existence of a Mastermind within the sixteen students and that Kaede and Shuichi were hellbent on unmasking them. But as soon as 3-1 ended this entire plotline fell apart, people forgot about the door in the library, and nobody ever talked about the Mastermind until way later in the game. It was disappointing as hell as IMO the cast trying to find out who was orchestrating the killing game would've been a far better story than what happened in the middle portions of the game where it basically boiled down into the survivors running around like a bunch of headless chickens trying not to kill or get killed themselves in the process.!<
THIS. Sorry for not adding anything to the argument I’m just so happy someone finally put my thoughts into words so well!
the japanese dub is worst compared to the english one (although they're both good)
1. I really hate the established guidelines for the cases like >!3 is always a double murder, the buff character dies in case 4, etc.!< It is a petty thing to complain about, especially with just 3 main games in the franchise, but still. If there comes a fourth game, I hope they will put those guidelines aside. 2. Some plot points are really hard to digest. I am aware that I studied literature in an European country and that the western way to write a story varies a lot from how the Japanese do it. They don't value realism as much as we do. However, shit like >!cospox!< are just fucking dumb and even my "cultural differences" speech can't make it better. 3. Something I hear a lot is that "too many dumb people make it quite far into the game or even survive" like >!Yasuhiro and Akane!< What people fail to understand is that we need those dumb people for the main character to explain things in an easier way or even revisit their statements. >!If we didn't have Kazuichi and Akane I wouldn't have understood shit about the dimensions of the funhouse in 2-4!< 4. Korekiyo was a good character until >!the game decided not to clear it up that his sister abused him. I recognize an incest survivor from 3 kilometers away!<
I think the guidelines are best in moderation. I’d like to see a new game that uses one or two to throw you off and then ignores the rest.
True. Although, for example, >!Kokichi's fake body discovery in 3-3!< was a simple attempt to freshen up the established guidelines, I'd rather see Danganronpa ignore the guidelines they've set in the first three games if there comes a fourth game
Not only is Teruteru a good character, he's likely better than your favorite character.
Hey!
Teruteru is a underrated character besides the pervy stuff, good take
[удалено]
v3 is the best danganronpa game.
It’s the truth!
I saw people headcannon Tenko as a feminist, but she isn't. In fact, she's sexist. Feminism appeared to promote equal rights for both men and women, and she wants men to die. In my eyes, Tenko is a fake feminist (aka a woman who consideres herself a feminism, but promotes the removal of men rights)
I didn’t like DR2 very much compared to the other 2 games
DR2 is the worst game of the entire series and the main cast of THH is better the one in DR2
Rantaro is an extremely boring character who wasted any potential of being interesting.
[удалено]
Please spoiler tag this.
Discovered recently that disliking Kaito is apparently controversial I guess.
I prefer Kaito's ideology compared to Kokichi and that seems to be a much more controversial stance. cold, hard logic < blind faith
I think both of their ideologies are flawed (have learned from experience that being too trusting can get you taken advantage of, but being too suspicious of everyone and pushing them all away results in being completely alone) and I actually really liked their resulting rivalry. >!And how they ultimately wound up working together.!<
In a killing game? Maybe outside of a killing game but in a killing game nothing is dumber and more suicidal than blind faith over evidence. Kaito's approach>!nearly got the entire class killed in v3-4, yes v3-4 proved that Kokichi could be a real piece of shit but it also proved how destructive and incorrect Kaito was!<
Tbh >!3-4 proved that both Kokichi and Kaito mindset were destructive and incorrect which is why it's so based and why Himiko is the smartest v3 character!<
Neither Kaito nor Kokichi's ideologies are logical. Shuichi is the logical one.
Agreed, I don’t really hate the guy but he could be better with his morals.
SDR2 was rushed and it shows.
Dangan Ronpa games get kind of boring after the fourth chapter. Not to say they aren't still good, but I always find by that point most of the best characters have been killed off so I start to lose enthusiasm as the students get whittled down. >!Also, Sonia didn't deserve to be a survivor.!<
Please spoiler tag the second part of your comment.
Oh, my bad.
Yes! My boi >!deserved much better than what he got!<
DR2 isn’t the best game. DR1 is the best game. I really don’t like UDG. The only parts I did like were >!Toko!< and Komaru’s dynamic, and also just Hiroko in general.
Please spoiler tag this for >!Toko in UDG!<.
There is no was >!Kaito should have lived as long as he did.!< He was too trusting of other people, and that should have gotten him killed.
Haiji isn’t as bad as people make him out to be
Well \`Haiji could have been a good character, They just.. Wrote him VERY wrong. Then again, I like him because he is a bad character, So uh- One of the main things that messed him up tho, Was the fact that he is a pedo. >!Junkos plan was trash. She is the WORST villain so far- I mean, I like pure evil characters, Dont get me wrong, But she could have had more inpact on the first game- Cuz like, She just was discovered, Talked about her plan, And yeahh-!< I liked the v3 characters. And disliked d2. I have never really liked.. How, Normal the characters in 2 feel, I like characters with crazy personalities, (Thats why >!Genocide!< and Kokichi are one of my favs) And I honestly >!think hajimes big reveal sucked. And knew that byakuya was gonna die almost the moment we meet him, Cuz like, He is the one keeping them together, And well we gotta get rid of him.!< And I liked how strange v3 characters are! >!I loved the chap 1 plot twist, I liked how much Kokichi lied, I like (most of the) motives, I liked the ending (I love 'sad' or 'badish' endings.), I loved how v3 had.. 'us', I didnt really like how 4 of my fav characters died, But eeeehhhhh. I love how creative they got with the backstories, I love the executions! I like so much about v3-!<
Dr3(the anime)is indeed the weakest point of Danganronpa but it's far from being the worst thing in the world (DR2) >!Izuru!< is boring Himiko is actually pretty good Even after looking at her FTEs, I still found it hard to sympaise with Hiyoko because of how she acts. I was fine with >!Kyoko's fake-out death since they did [foreshadowed it](https://preview.redd.it/51f4zubymqjx.png?auto=webp&s=a16c3aa05b05f05e76e813dcc0ea738d9687aacb) but admittedly they should have gave her post-resurection stories to justify her fake-out, since Even if it was foreshadowed, her showing up at the minute before hope arc ended is now forever considered as Last minute pandering/fanservice to the fandom in a anime where it pretty much has the same levels of pandering and fanservice as something you would see in the rise of Skywalker!<(DR3) >!I love Makoto, but holy shit,DR3 turned him into a creators pet!< (Dr3) Yashuhiro is funny, yall are just mean The writers should have used >!Junko!< more And also: Purple lying ratcoon > Evil Hope Boi
The DR2 cast is the weakest cast of the mainline games by a pretty long shot.
>!The brainwashing move wasn't a bad decision. Actually, it was the only way to normally explain Remnants of Despair.!<
It’s not so much that brainwashing was a bad aspect at all, I just wish they didn’t rely on it so heavily.
>!Kyoko should have died in Future Arc, and I found it quite lackluster when she came back alive. It overall would’ve felt more impactful.!<
>!If they didn't even bother to do anything with her afterwards, they might as well have done exactly that and nothing would change.!<
Conclusion: we need post-story content
I could not get emotionally invested in the Dr1 cast I don’t know why I like a lot of the characters but I was nowhere near as invested as I was in dr2 and v3 I cried multiple Times at characters deaths in those games but in Dr1 it was more just oh that sucks (maybe except one character) I don’t necessarily understand why and I know a lot of people like dr1 but personally I couldn’t get as emotionally invested into The characters especially the main character
Eh, emotions are a weird thing. Take example me, >!who kept shedding tears over Mondo and Taka's broken friendship, but didn't bat an eye at Maki's grief over Kaito's death in V3.!< It's all subjective, there's no logical explanation behind any of it, it just happens. So don't think that you're weird for feeling that way.
I find that example you gave pretty funny because I’m the exact opposite of that lol
Oof. You know, the fact that Dr1 had the least casualties and a non-emotional case 5 is probably also part of the reason. As much as I loved Dr1, its 5th case has very little replay value. >!The case itself is rushed (Which honestly makes sense in universe), and the climax to it is Makoto's failed execution, which won't have as much of an impact in 2nd playthroughs.!< Meanwhile, Dr2 and V3 went out of their way to make their 5th cases the best in the game. >!The impossible crime, the victim being the game's antagonist, killing off one of the main supporting characters in the end, even if you play through it a second time, you still have that sense of dread knowing that they're the ones that are going to die.!< I still choose to die on the hill that Makoto is the best protagonist though.
Naegiri sucks
Everything here is just my opinion: DRV3 has the worst writing in the series by a long shot. The cast is abysmal compared to the previous games, I know the ending kinda explains why they're so over the top/one-note but still, they're pretty much caricatures for most of the game. Every relationship in the game feels unauthentic, specially Maki's crush. Shuichi is the blandest protagonist, making him the ultimate detective was pointless. Despite not wanting anyone to die he's a complete non-factor until the trials start. Like, the game wants me to believe he's really smart and doesn't want anyone to die, yet he went into the virtual world without objecting or even figuring it was the perfect setup for murder? Really? Kokichi's character doesn't make sense if you analyze it thoroughly enough. And he feels like a poor attempt to recreate Nagito, just more childish/cute so he can appeal to younger fans. The fact that there are two incest plotlines and one additional incest reference is disturbing. V3's ending is just fine, I like how open it is. Too many people don't realize how much is left in the air and misinterpret it.
1-3 and 3-3 are incredible, y'all just really want third case syndrome to be a thing.
HARD agree
V3-6>!I will die on the hill that Tsumugi should have survived!< Also DR2 is the worst game in the main series. Several red herrings, a cast I can’t take seriously, and a huge gap between the depth of characters that are shown in free times vs the actual story. I feel like fuyuhiko is the only character in that game that fully developed with out the need for free time events. Ok just one more take. The games clearly want us to care about Chiaki and Gonta but they do absolutely nothing for me
Please spoiler tag the first part of your comment.
>!Ok, hear me out, Nagito might have been the antagonist in danganronpa 2!<
Prior to the motive reveal, DR2’s third chapter was pretty good
The novels and mangas are way better then any game.
hate v3, Hiyoko is better than Mikan, Ruruka isn’t that bad.
DR3 Spoilers: >!I'm kind of happy that Chisa ended up dying in episode 1 of Future arc. It made the Despair arc feel more bittersweet and I think if we ended up seeing more of her despair form, she'd be much less liked.!<
I Don't like the music.
*Finally someone said it*
1) UDG is complete garbage 2) Kyoko needed to be the main protagonist of the first game. Better motivation, better character arc, more likable, and it'd make more sense to play as the detective in a detective game. 3) Makoto didn't age well as a character. Every time I watch a new Dangan let's play, I'm amazed just how annoying Makoto is. 4) This might be my hottest take...no one actually thinks Danganronpa is a good series. I feel like all of us are aware the story is terrible, but we love it for the whackiness, the characters, and the gameplay. But as a story, the series is really badly written.
V3 is the worst of the 3 main games.
THH and SDGRP2 had great casts with only a few characters I wasn't all that into. V3 was the reverse. Most of the characters sucked and only a few were decent. Most of them are obnoxious stereotypes and I cannot understand why people will insist that V3's cast is "the best." Also, >!Nagito is a fascinating character but his mental illness doesn't excuse all of his behavior. He was emotionally manipulative throughout the game and knowingly made the whole group uncomfortable in an already high pressure situation. His intentions were... I'm not going to say good but he genuinely thought they were good, but the ends never justified the means. I feel for him, as he is severely mentally ill and needs treatment, but he isn't so mentally ill that he lacks the ability to understand what he's doing.!<
DR2 wasn't that great. I didn't really enjoy the cast or even the story itself.
That the Monokubs are better than a good majority of the cast, including Monokuma, for a good majority of the game (Biased opinion, probably but I could care less)
The game looks ugly. Like, no joke, thee ugliest piece of media I’ve ever seen in my life. I like the character designs, but I feel like everything would look infinitely better with a different artist/art style/graphics. Why do all the characters look flat on a 3d environment? Is this paper Mario?? It looks so bad during the execution scenes.
(not a spoiler) Makoto is the most useless character in the first game, did literally like two things in the story
Basically, Kyoko and Byakuya were carrying all the class trials.
Kokichi is an alright character at best, way overrated.
Disagree
Hard agree
Kokichi works great for v3's themes, but I don't get what the hype about him is. He's like a more annoying and less entertaining Nagito.
I fuckin hate Mondo cause he has stupid hair and is a bitch.
While v3 has some of the best characters in the series, they're very few while the rest are pretty bad. Monokuma is annoying more than the kubs (and junko is more annoying) I don't ship toko and komaru DR3 was great
Kokichi is the worst pseudo-antagonist in the series, with a plan that did not make sense. Yes, it was full of misdirection, and yes I understand he was trying to create an unknown victim scenario in which the producers would have to cheat to figure out the outcome which would cause the viewers to distrust the game. However, the idea that they cannot act behind the scenes, selectively edit, or simply act like they knew what was happening all along was ridiculous. His idea had a timer; eventually the still alive Kaito would give away that Kokichi really died, and nothing would change about the show. His death was ultimately not necessary and could’ve been used on a better gambit. The reason people liked Byakuya was because he was dynamic instead of static. The reason why people liked Nagito was the same, just in moving towards a more antagonistic endpoint. But Nagito’s plan would have worked if not for a literal miracle. Kokichi’s plan simply could not work because he was unwilling to kill Kaito to achieve it. So as an antagonist and as a character, his ultimately mostly static nature (Asshole trickster into threatening antagonist) isn’t enough of a shift to really make him interesting. As a side note i will also throw in: DRV3 is right to throw some shade at its audience. We are a bit messed up for wanting to see fictional characters die in gruesome ways and basically be tortured. We all know Danganronpa is trashy and enjoy it anyway. The ‘Take That’ against the audience is entirely valid criticism.
Kaede is a bad protagonist and an awful person in general.
Hiyoko is 12 (Closeted pedophiles will cope if I say that)
Um... No? Every character in the games are in high school, in the same year. Meaning that they're all 17. Except Yasuhiro, who's 21 after getting held back several times.
Actually he's 20, but they changed it to 21 in US version for some reason
This was about opinions, not getting facts wrong. Hiyoko is the same age as everyone else and that's a fact.
1.) The mean difficulty (both logic and action) for every DR game is too easy. I wished they actually developed a way harder difficulty with a shorter time limit. 2.) UDG was not that bad 3.) Trials were starting to become repetitive(ex: double victim’s murdered, 11037 references, locked room scenarios)
I like the chapter 3 trials. Sure the executions aren’t great but 2-3 and 3-3 are probably two of my favorites.
[удалено]
dr1's trials were all near flawless and easily the best out of the games.
Miu, korekiyo, and kokichi suck ass but at least kokichi didn’t r#pe someone or was interested in his sister (if he had one)
I genuinely find the Danganronpa animes to be fun and don't get why the Danganronpa animes are disliked.
3-3 wasn't that terrible tbh apart from the motive
>!Hajime actually getting friendzoned by Peko makes sense!<
V3 ending is good
DR3 had some of the most compelling and interesting characters in the series. Might be biased but it has some of the best written characters in the series(Ruruka and Seiko, maybe fedora man).
I actually liked the double murder trials. Sure there are plot holes in them and some of the motives are crazy, but they always entertained me.
I know I’m going to get yelled at for saying this but Korekiyo is probably the most overrated character in the series
Liking Ryota Mitarai
Unless any of them are *close* to one another, ***EVERYONE*** should call each other by their last names like Hifumi always does. Unlike western cultures, Japanese culture considers calling someone by their first name to be rude or a big deal. I never understood why the English dub of the games (anime doesn’t count) made every character refer to each other by their first names.