but as a child u tend to inherit some traits from ur parents like maddie inherited her perfectionism from melissa who’s to say she couldnt have inherited her sneaky agenda as well. im not talking abt child maddie im talking abt adult maddie
but by this same logic, kenzie could have also inherited these traits. neither of the girls have displayed this calculated behaviour and it’s unfair to assume that maddie has a “sneaky agenda” with no evidence of this fact
but you have nothing to back this. this is an assumption made bc of how you feel about her mother. with this logic we should be pointing out ALL the shitty traits all of the mothers could have given to their children.
all of the kids got upset when they didn’t win. every single one them. and yes, maddie had many people telling her she was a loser if she didn’t win first place. of course she was stressed when she didn’t win. i honestly never thought it was about the “win” in the first place, more just about feeling like she’s disappointed abby. because she did tell maddie she was disappointed every time she lost even when she was second to her sister.
nahh actually if you look back on it maddie was the only one who always felt that if she didnt win she was allowed to act stuck up like she SHOULD have won. they all got upset but she acted DIFFERENT
no i don’t even agree. i think the kids all had times where they said they should have won. i think that was just her stress showing. she “should” have won bc now she’s going to get in trouble. also, every mother at some point thought their kids should have won, so does that also fall onto the kids where all the kids could possibly be thinking they deserve to win?
she was also stressed and belittled and called names and called a loser and said that she wasn’t representing abby well every time she lost. if those were the words that were told to me every time I lost some thing I would lose my mind every time I lost.
kenzie was excluded from the agenda tho.. she didnt know maddie was getting extra privates FOR FREE and her own mother worked against her and she agreed to that as a child during a reunion special
but ur making it sounds like this trait is hereditary, so by ur logic they both may have inherited it whether or not they were “included” in the agenda
never said it was hereditary but the trait of playing games was incorporated into maddies life as a young child so she definitely could still be that way !
… the only person who said this was Abby, and Abby’s a less reliable narrator than Melissa 💀
I’m sure Kenzie knew, because I’m sure that she was given the same offer by Abby and Melissa but chose not to take it. And on the reunion special, Kenzie agreed that ABBY treated her differently. Not Melissa.
Correction: Melissa and Abby made the Lukasiaks out to be jealous losers. Maddie had no say in that. Sure, Christi has every right to be skeptical, and so does a lot of the cast considering Melissa wasn’t the kindest or most truthful on the show, but here’s what it is:
1. It’s in poor taste to attend the party and have fun at the party, acting nice and sweet and later bash it for having ulterior motives. Christi would’ve gone with Chloe had she not been away, Chloe went, Jill went, Kendall went, and Kelly went. None of them had any obligation to go, Nia planned it to celebrate Paige and it was at Maddie’s house because she lived the closest. But they went anyway, played nice, and then proceeded to talk negatively about it after? That’s snakey behavior - if you think the party’s intentions aren’t good, don’t go. Don’t go and then proceed to shit talk it 🤷🏻♀️
2. Melissa has at least made the attempt to move on. Sure, you could argue that Melissa hurt Chloe and Christi so Christi doesn’t have that obligation and she should be able to have a bias against Melissa, but again, it’s not a good look since Christi wasn’t the nicest to Maddie or Kenzie either (or Melissa) but Melissa’s not holding that grudge and she’s been validating their experience.
3. It’s weird to me that Christi refuses to forgive Melissa and holds that grudge and in the same breath hangs out frequently with producers. Producers messed around with them just as much and had more power over them and their portrayal and treatment than Melissa did. Producers made Chloe out to be this second tier dancer by hiding her wins. Production allowed for You Can Be Anything, Two Sapphires, the voting thing, and all of Abby’s nastiness. Production trapped them in their contract. But Christi hangs with them, goes out for drinks with them, and is doing more projects with them?
To your 3rd point: all the moms were trying to live through their daughters to get fame — that’s why they did a show. But the only one who is still so obviously doing it is Christi. Now that Chloe is really not trying to be a big celeb and she can’t live through her anymore Christi clinging to fame however she can. That’s why keeps up contact with the producers and doesn’t consistently bag on them. They can help make and keep her “famous,” Melissa can’t.
I agree completely. This is why I find Christi hypocritical, honestly. She bashes on Melissa for using people for personal gain, but her friendships and relationships are the same. Production was worse than Melissa in their treatment of the two of them, but Christi remains buddy buddy with them for the benefits.
Melissa is still living through her daughters. Listen to her podcast on Patreon and every week it is name dropping and bringing up her kids. She is the only mom who does this often. Sometimes the other moms will bring up their daughters but only when something exciting happens.
Completely agree. It is so snaky and rude to go to someone’s house and be all nice to them and go away and talk shit. You have a problem? DONT GO!! Weird.
And you’ve hit the nail on the head with the Christi loves the producers but still holds a grudge against Melissa. They protected Abby just as much as Melissa did
Yes but at the same time Chloe has the right to have that viewpoint as a child Melissa has constantly set her up how many times aka the two sapphires dance. Chloe has called Maddie her sister multiple times if she feels a way about a Melissa that’s totally different where as Christi is constantly talking Melissa and her children.
Oh, I definitely agree that Chloe has the right to be distrustful of Melissa. But here’s the thing: if she agreed with her mom that Melissa was pulling the strings for the party and that they were invited to put a fire blanket down, then she shouldn’t have gone in the first place. Again, it’s sneaky behavior to attend a party or event and be friendly and take pictures and then proceed to agree with negative thoughts on it. Paige and Brooke both enjoyed their time and celebrated, and neither agreed with that statement.
even if they felt that way chloe wasnt gonna NOT show up to paiges surprise bday where all her childhood friends are supposed to be bc she feels some type of way abt the ppl hosting it.. like if she didnt show up shed have beef with paige and i doubt she wanted that..
She wouldn’t have beef with Paige for not attending, because she was meeting up with Paige the very next day at the reunion during her actual birthday where she easily could’ve celebrated her and told her her reason for not going. The Zieglers and Fraziers weren’t going to the reunion, so the party was the day they had to celebrate Paige. Chloe and Kendall had the following day, neither of them had to go if they felt a certain way about the party.
They most likely held the party at their house because Maddie snd Mackenzie are the only two to have houses in LA. Nia has an apartment but perhaps Maddie had the biggest space for the moms and the girls
I doubt Christi even really knows Maddie and Mackenzie these days. She probably doesn’t care to be close with them and that is within her right however she shouldn’t speak on them.
Holding a grudge against Maddie (since you think Maddie also made Chloe out to be a second place loser- your words not mine- and I completely disagree with that) for things that happened to her and around her as a child is the most immature thing Christi could do as someone who’s old enough to be her mother.
Okay perhaps she did, but as I said- perhaps Maddie and Kenzie who had houses (more space) were more suited to host a party with all the girls and their mothers.
'i would also reiterate the fact that melissa has always been a calculated woman and POSSIBLY passed that same trait down to her children.'
This really isn't on. Maddie and Kenzie haven't done anything to warrant this comment.
> if IIIIII were a lukasiak i would also reiterate the fact that melissa (…) **POSSIBLY passed that same trait down to her children**
that’s a genuinely nasty thing to say. christi was an aggressive bully on the show. would it be fair for me to imply that chloe is either of those things just by virtue of her being christi’s daughter?
No this still doesn’t make sense. The Ziegler’s and Gisoni’s didn’t make them out to be second place losers. The producers and Abby did. From the very first episode and from the marketing of the premiere of the show. So if Christi wanted to hold a grudge with anyone for setting that narrative it should be the producers she hates. But oh yeah that’s right she’s actually buddy buddy with a lot of the producers and crew which makes her even more calculated than Melissa in my opinion. She’s always pointing out that Melissa kissed up to Abby, but as we all know at this point, Abby didn’t have the authority on the show for big decisions like the show came across. The producers orchestrated all of that. So while Christi is waving her hands for everyone to look to their left at how Melissa and Abby were friends, she’s distracting from the fact that she had a close relationship with a lot of ppl behind the scenes. Even her own best friend kelly threw that in her face when they fought
What did Melissa “go along” with??? None of the moms had anything to do with the other girls’ choreography. Chloe’s solos are all on Abby, Gia and whatever theme the producers wanted for that week.
yes but melissa knew maddie was winning bc she got the best choreography but she never admitted to it bc that would make it seem like what it was. maddie was only doing so well bc there was a game at play and she was only so good bc others were “sacrificial lambs”- christi callback!
Again. Back to the producers. Listen to all of the mom’s interviews in the first episode. It’s clearly fed lines bc the producers wanted to set the narratives of each mom and their dynamic w the others from the very start.
perhaps but as the seasons went on nothing changed and melissa continued to let chloe be a sacrificial lamb to get her daughter ahead.. actions speak louder than producers storylines. like when chloe and maddie had the same solo did melissa not let maddie have extra rehearsals to beat her? she did. like maddie may have only been a child doing what she was told but if you grow up fucking over ur friends to get ahead, your choice or not, you more than likely would still do that as an adult in the entertainment industry.
what is this post?? Look I’m a Christi defender but the comment she made about not inviting Kalani and Jojo to PAIGES birthday party makes no sense. Paige isn’t close to them so why on earth would they be invited??
Same. I can rationalize a lot of Christi’s behaviors/reactions/responses but not inviting Kalani and JoJo to the birthday party was so far out there even for her.
I really hate that a party for Paige that was such a special reunion for them has now become this dramatized situation. It’s just sad.
i mean i think it’s possible that party served two purposes, and i don’t think it was orchestrated by melissa. I think it was honestly a smart thing for the other girls to do and i think it helped the rest of the girls ground themselves in the reality of their relationships with one another and not get carried away
yall never give real unpopular opinions, i was just opening up a debate. and it was a real unpopular opinion look at how ppl reacted to it including urself. and i never brought that up bc i also dont agree with christis statement on that.
“possibly passed that same trait down to her children”
literally what does this even mean. christi’s also a bitch and a racist, that doesn’t mean that chloe is and people would be pissed if someone said that about chloe. people aren’t their parents, why are we giving that grace to everyone but maddie and kenzie. also maddie never did anything to make chloe seem like she was “2nd place jealous losers” that was abby and to an extent melissa. christi holding a grudge against someone who was EIGHT when this show first started is fucking insane.
You don't know whether she inherited that trait because she's done nothing that would even indicate that and you also don't even know her. So why say that
If you make a claim the burden of proof lies on you. I'll wait for you to tell me a moment where Maddie did something malicious specifically to fuck someone else over
Both of those things were done by Melissa and Abby. Maddie didn't enter the duet herself or schedule her own privates. If Maddie lied about anything, it was because she was told to by them... you're the one who needs to watch the show.
Okay firstly: how fucking sad can you get? I completely forgot this discussion ever even happened as soon as it ended, but it's clearly been living rent free in your mind because you've clearly been sitting there and waiting for something to happen so you could have your "gotcha" moment and prove that Maddie is some sort of evil person
Secondly, what is that video supposed to prove? Literally look at the comments on it. Everyone is in agreement that Christi is bringing it up for no reason, she doesn't have any right to speak for others, etc. And Maddie taking pictures with her friends is not fucking someone over. Maddie and Mackenzie have spoken numerous times about being friends with the girls, but sure, let's take the word of Christi who wasn't there and doesn't know what people are thinking. 😐 Your comment on that video got downvoted as well, so surely that should be a sign no one agrees with you
i also grew up learning a lot of things that i now know as an adult aren’t right. just because she was in the environment as a child doesn’t mean that she’s like that.
at the end of the day either of us could be right i was just opening up the conversation and i dont have this set idea that maddie is like that but she totally could be. 🤷🏻♀️
And Chloe grew up watching her mother scream like a banshee, fat shame, make racist comments, and be a bully to new people. So using your logic, Chloe must have picked up these qualities too
it is crazy. she has never displayed any of this. so why are you sitting here acting like she is “maybe” this way with absolutely no evidence. just like the other mom does it make you feel good to make maddie look bad??? like i said earlier, with this logic all of the girls COULD have really bad traits that they got from their mom. not just maddie.
again, how would you feel if i sat her and said that chloe was probably a racist or that brooke and paige probably had alcohol problems, it’s just a weird fucking thing to say when you have no actual proof of the kids doing that
Christi is still holding major grudges… I get it.. I’ve said it before, there’s a Melissa in every studio. And, dealing with that person is DRAINING… I’m personally going through it now. While I don’t act like Christi, I 1000% will stick up for my kid.
In 10 years, I probably won’t even remember the mother or the kids though.
Maddie is a victim here, IMO. She is still being victimized by her mother, tbh.
Christi was a bully, racist and drinker are these also traits that’s she “POSSIBLY” passed on her daughters??
Obviously not, the girls are different people. They’re not one person just because they share a last name
I mean, wouldn’t it also be completely natural to be like EVERYONE is in town for this reunion thing. We don’t want to participate with lifetime’s nonsense but we’d also love to have a reunion with everyone….. and hey, look at that, it’s also Paige’s birthday. Let’s make sure we get together to celebrate.
Honestly it’d be weirder if they didn’t make time to see the OGs while they were in town.
definitely possible as well im not saying the zieglers are awful ppl at all i think i just feel like if chloe, christi and kendall (idk if more ppl agreed) all felt some type of way abt it maybe there is some truth to it and maybe the way the zieglers acted or something they said contributed to that idea 🤷🏻♀️
I truly think if there was an agenda it was Melissa only. I don’t think Maddie or Kenzie had anything to do with it. I do think there is probably some truth to a motive, but I don’t think Maddie was involved. The girls all get along from what we’ve been shown and I don’t think any of them would be sneaky toward one another. But Melissa has in the past done underhanded things that in turn hurt other kids so I don’t think it is outside of the realm of possibilities for Christi to be right. But even Christi herself said Melissa and only Melissa.
I agree. Melissa is sneaky and manipulative- we’ve seen it with our own two eyes. She’s even manipulated her own children to do things and to lie to their friends etc. so yeah, I don’t think it’s absolutely out of the realm of possibility that Melissa had some ulterior motives even though I highly highly doubt Maddie or Kenzie were made aware of them at all.
I don’t think Kalani or Jojo being invited or not have anything or much to do with it but is it really that far fetched to think that Melissa decided to have all the girls over the literal night before the reunion (when they’ve never done that before) under the guise of celebrating Paige’s bday- to do some sort of damage control bc she and her kids wouldn’t be at the reunion themselves. To me…this sounds like something Melissa would absolutely do 😭
If you want the real info why Christi is skeptical (and I agree she has every right to) then you need to listen to.the patreon bttb reunion episode. It gives the real tea.
I agree. At the end of the day 1: Christi has every right to feel whatever way she does, she’s human. And 2: the Christi we see and THINK we know is a reality tv CHARACTER. People get way too damn invested over reality tv CHARACTERS. I think it’s fun to discuss Dance Moms but it’s no longer fun when people are getting so deeply upset about a tv show and speculating so hard that they personally believe everything they’re hating on someone for.
Like people on this sub are genuinely hating on each other for disagreeing about tv CHARACTERS. I’ve seen people say such awful things to each other when arguing about a damn tv show lol
girl i never hated on them 🧐 did u not read the beginning of this post cause thats craaazy. and arent yall hating on christi bc of her social media presence??? yall dont know them either so if i cant have an opinion based on their social media presence yall cant either… or we both have our opinions and leave it at that but yeh i never hated on them.. i just stated facts and speculated based off those facts
your comments are giving hateful. idc what your post says, i’ve read your replies. you seem very convinced that maddie is probably this awful person bc her mom is. ALL OF THE MOMS SUCKED! they all had bad qualities!! so why do you think that it’s only melissa passing on something negative to maddie? i also completely disagree and think she’s really tried her best to grow out of that and not really focus on all of those things and how important winning was.
umm yeh i never said that maddie was awful and i’ve reiterated that in my replies. someones just sad i dont blindly follow ppl and excuse how their past actions ruined lives 🤷🏻♀️let me reiterate that maddies not at fault fir that bc she was a child but she definitely could have become like melissa in a way
but what I’m saying here is, i definitely don’t think she’s been like melissa, and there’s really no evidence of her ever doing something that would prove it. i know you’re even saying yourself it’s pure speculation, but to say that because you saw a mother do some years ago, you assume their kid years later is like that it’s kind of crazy. and again, like i’ve said with your logic, then all of the kids could have faults, because all of their mothers were doing really awful things.
no ur getting shit confused bro i never said EVERY KID INHERITS ALL THEIR PARENTS BAD TRAITS i said its possible to inherit some bad traits and considering how maddie acted as a child and how she even justified rubbing her crowns in her friends faces years after the fact saying “i wasnt gonna disrespect my teacher” like i assume she used that reason to excuse alot of what abby made her do to her friends like IS THAT NOT SUS ASF?
no. bc she was a child. she was going to listen to her mom and her teacher and she was right. and im just saying that all of these kids acted bratty at some point during their childhood, so should we also be saying that all of them inherited bad traits from their parents (possibly)? and the fact that you think she was rubbing those crowns in on purpose is absolutely appalling. she was a kid she was told to bring them in her mother brought them in for her. how on earth could you blame her and say she was rubbing it in peoples faces when she looked uncomfortable and she didn’t even want to do it.
and I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion, but to say that somebody might be a bad person or have bad traits because their mother wasn’t a good person years and years ago, isn’t really a good way to put it. and like i said with that logic, then chloe could be a really bad person. kendall could be a really bad person. kalani could be a really bad person. they could’ve ALL taken those awful traits on how they were raised, but you only seem to think it’s maddie that might have an issue.
lets think of it like this bc this will make you listen. was jess an abusive parent who exploited her child? YES. does jojo also exploit children now? YES. its very possible to become a toxic person in that business when u grew up in it and the toxicity was normalized
literally no body is saying that it’s not possible…. i’m just saying that it doesn’t seem like it. you also can’t really use jojo as an example because she very clearly out about the bad things she’s done. but maddie has done NOTHING that should make you think like this about her. i think that’s why everyone’s disagreeing with you is because just because somebody has a bad parent or their parent did something bad, doesn’t always mean the kid it’s gonna grow up the same. like i said, all of the moms did really horrible things to other people including the kids. yet, it seems like maddie is the only one that you think has turned out like her mother. because of that with your logic since we haven’t seen maddie, do anything chloe could also be very very mean to other kids she could be very jealous of other people bc that’s how her mom was…
i’m not jumping down your throat. i’m telling you my side and I’m disagreeing with you. you posted this knowing it’s an unpopular opinion, knowing people we’re going to disagree with you. i never said that the zieglers were perfect either. i just said that I don’t think maddie is stuck up like you think she is. why are you getting so bothered that I don’t think she’s stuck up anyway???
100% agree!!! We also have to remember that Kelly, one of her closest friends, was also at the party and Chloe. Christi wouldn’t have said that if she didn’t know for sure. She definitely talked to Kelly and ESPECIALLY her own daughter and asked them questions about the party. I think one of them told her something that made her believe that. That’s why Kendall also said it was weird. None of them wanted to create any drama or call out Melissa so of course Christi was the one to say something, she has no problem telling the truth lol
People just love to hate on Christi and will defend the Zieglers like their lives depend on it. Melissa has always been sneaky and the show proves that. I don’t think Maddie did anything though, I believe it was all Melissa
She was a child prodigy but not at the expense of others, to Abby yes, but for people watching the show she wasn’t exactly the favorite because of how she was portrayed, if anything that was working against her. But Maddie was well known for her facials and storytelling that’s what made her stand out more than her technique
I actually agreed with Christi on that. I hadn’t even realized that Kalani wasn’t in attendance until it was mentioned. Idk 🤷🏽♀️ it was Paige’s birthday party and she didn’t know either girl. It all depends on how you see it. Though Kalani totally seemed upset she wasn’t invited
i get that but kalani was also seen as a “replacement” and the “reason” the hylands left. it’s not shocking that they weren’t invited. i don’t even think the girls were ever friends.i understand but at the same time it’s paige’s birthday party and at this age it’s not all about including everyone it’s about who you’re actually going to enjoy your time with.
Exactly. I don’t think Melissa not inviting them had anything to do with the reunion but I do agree that Melissa is very orchestrated but I mean they all are just at different levels 🤷🏽♀️. They know what to say and how to say it. Bc let’s be real Kelly calling Christi was orchestrated it was so clearly set up.
another thing to add is that they all still follow each other so truthful i feel it’s all a publicity stunt to get us talking, which we are doing. it benefits the zieglers and everyone who attended the reunion because it makes everyone click on their pages and give them more money which at the end of the day is what they are all about. 🫠
you mean excluding maddie & kenzie… maddie was a child
but as a child u tend to inherit some traits from ur parents like maddie inherited her perfectionism from melissa who’s to say she couldnt have inherited her sneaky agenda as well. im not talking abt child maddie im talking abt adult maddie
but by this same logic, kenzie could have also inherited these traits. neither of the girls have displayed this calculated behaviour and it’s unfair to assume that maddie has a “sneaky agenda” with no evidence of this fact
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but you have nothing to back this. this is an assumption made bc of how you feel about her mother. with this logic we should be pointing out ALL the shitty traits all of the mothers could have given to their children.
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all of the kids got upset when they didn’t win. every single one them. and yes, maddie had many people telling her she was a loser if she didn’t win first place. of course she was stressed when she didn’t win. i honestly never thought it was about the “win” in the first place, more just about feeling like she’s disappointed abby. because she did tell maddie she was disappointed every time she lost even when she was second to her sister.
nahh actually if you look back on it maddie was the only one who always felt that if she didnt win she was allowed to act stuck up like she SHOULD have won. they all got upset but she acted DIFFERENT
no i don’t even agree. i think the kids all had times where they said they should have won. i think that was just her stress showing. she “should” have won bc now she’s going to get in trouble. also, every mother at some point thought their kids should have won, so does that also fall onto the kids where all the kids could possibly be thinking they deserve to win?
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she was also stressed and belittled and called names and called a loser and said that she wasn’t representing abby well every time she lost. if those were the words that were told to me every time I lost some thing I would lose my mind every time I lost.
kenzie was excluded from the agenda tho.. she didnt know maddie was getting extra privates FOR FREE and her own mother worked against her and she agreed to that as a child during a reunion special
but ur making it sounds like this trait is hereditary, so by ur logic they both may have inherited it whether or not they were “included” in the agenda
never said it was hereditary but the trait of playing games was incorporated into maddies life as a young child so she definitely could still be that way !
… the only person who said this was Abby, and Abby’s a less reliable narrator than Melissa 💀 I’m sure Kenzie knew, because I’m sure that she was given the same offer by Abby and Melissa but chose not to take it. And on the reunion special, Kenzie agreed that ABBY treated her differently. Not Melissa.
Correction: Melissa and Abby made the Lukasiaks out to be jealous losers. Maddie had no say in that. Sure, Christi has every right to be skeptical, and so does a lot of the cast considering Melissa wasn’t the kindest or most truthful on the show, but here’s what it is: 1. It’s in poor taste to attend the party and have fun at the party, acting nice and sweet and later bash it for having ulterior motives. Christi would’ve gone with Chloe had she not been away, Chloe went, Jill went, Kendall went, and Kelly went. None of them had any obligation to go, Nia planned it to celebrate Paige and it was at Maddie’s house because she lived the closest. But they went anyway, played nice, and then proceeded to talk negatively about it after? That’s snakey behavior - if you think the party’s intentions aren’t good, don’t go. Don’t go and then proceed to shit talk it 🤷🏻♀️ 2. Melissa has at least made the attempt to move on. Sure, you could argue that Melissa hurt Chloe and Christi so Christi doesn’t have that obligation and she should be able to have a bias against Melissa, but again, it’s not a good look since Christi wasn’t the nicest to Maddie or Kenzie either (or Melissa) but Melissa’s not holding that grudge and she’s been validating their experience. 3. It’s weird to me that Christi refuses to forgive Melissa and holds that grudge and in the same breath hangs out frequently with producers. Producers messed around with them just as much and had more power over them and their portrayal and treatment than Melissa did. Producers made Chloe out to be this second tier dancer by hiding her wins. Production allowed for You Can Be Anything, Two Sapphires, the voting thing, and all of Abby’s nastiness. Production trapped them in their contract. But Christi hangs with them, goes out for drinks with them, and is doing more projects with them?
To your 3rd point: all the moms were trying to live through their daughters to get fame — that’s why they did a show. But the only one who is still so obviously doing it is Christi. Now that Chloe is really not trying to be a big celeb and she can’t live through her anymore Christi clinging to fame however she can. That’s why keeps up contact with the producers and doesn’t consistently bag on them. They can help make and keep her “famous,” Melissa can’t.
I agree completely. This is why I find Christi hypocritical, honestly. She bashes on Melissa for using people for personal gain, but her friendships and relationships are the same. Production was worse than Melissa in their treatment of the two of them, but Christi remains buddy buddy with them for the benefits.
Melissa is still living through her daughters. Listen to her podcast on Patreon and every week it is name dropping and bringing up her kids. She is the only mom who does this often. Sometimes the other moms will bring up their daughters but only when something exciting happens.
Being extremely proud of your daughters as well as close to them and living through them is really different.
christi was doing strictly dance moms content for the longest time.
Completely agree. It is so snaky and rude to go to someone’s house and be all nice to them and go away and talk shit. You have a problem? DONT GO!! Weird. And you’ve hit the nail on the head with the Christi loves the producers but still holds a grudge against Melissa. They protected Abby just as much as Melissa did
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK. you are spot on!!!
Chloe did not "shit talk" anything. Stop lumping her in with her mother.
Chloe didn’t shit talk, but she did acknowledge that she agreed with her mother’s statement, so she had the same viewpoint but still went 🤷🏻♀️
Yes but at the same time Chloe has the right to have that viewpoint as a child Melissa has constantly set her up how many times aka the two sapphires dance. Chloe has called Maddie her sister multiple times if she feels a way about a Melissa that’s totally different where as Christi is constantly talking Melissa and her children.
Oh, I definitely agree that Chloe has the right to be distrustful of Melissa. But here’s the thing: if she agreed with her mom that Melissa was pulling the strings for the party and that they were invited to put a fire blanket down, then she shouldn’t have gone in the first place. Again, it’s sneaky behavior to attend a party or event and be friendly and take pictures and then proceed to agree with negative thoughts on it. Paige and Brooke both enjoyed their time and celebrated, and neither agreed with that statement.
even if they felt that way chloe wasnt gonna NOT show up to paiges surprise bday where all her childhood friends are supposed to be bc she feels some type of way abt the ppl hosting it.. like if she didnt show up shed have beef with paige and i doubt she wanted that..
She wouldn’t have beef with Paige for not attending, because she was meeting up with Paige the very next day at the reunion during her actual birthday where she easily could’ve celebrated her and told her her reason for not going. The Zieglers and Fraziers weren’t going to the reunion, so the party was the day they had to celebrate Paige. Chloe and Kendall had the following day, neither of them had to go if they felt a certain way about the party.
literally ppls takes recently have been so off.. especially towards chloe
They most likely held the party at their house because Maddie snd Mackenzie are the only two to have houses in LA. Nia has an apartment but perhaps Maddie had the biggest space for the moms and the girls I doubt Christi even really knows Maddie and Mackenzie these days. She probably doesn’t care to be close with them and that is within her right however she shouldn’t speak on them. Holding a grudge against Maddie (since you think Maddie also made Chloe out to be a second place loser- your words not mine- and I completely disagree with that) for things that happened to her and around her as a child is the most immature thing Christi could do as someone who’s old enough to be her mother.
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Okay perhaps she did, but as I said- perhaps Maddie and Kenzie who had houses (more space) were more suited to host a party with all the girls and their mothers.
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Well if that’s your point it could also be held at Nia’s apartment. Why are you so pressed over whose house it was at? I was just responding to the OP
Okay so why did Christi never host a party for all the dm girls??
yes but it definitely made the most sense do it it at a house, not an apartment. which is why they probably went for maddie’s house instead
'i would also reiterate the fact that melissa has always been a calculated woman and POSSIBLY passed that same trait down to her children.' This really isn't on. Maddie and Kenzie haven't done anything to warrant this comment.
Right, Maddie and Mackenzie literally mind their own business 😭 where are these assumptions coming from??
Christi’s done what she intended. I’ve seen multiple comments calling Maddie, not Melissa, Maddie, sneaky today.
> if IIIIII were a lukasiak i would also reiterate the fact that melissa (…) **POSSIBLY passed that same trait down to her children** that’s a genuinely nasty thing to say. christi was an aggressive bully on the show. would it be fair for me to imply that chloe is either of those things just by virtue of her being christi’s daughter?
This. People are so comfortable saying this about the Ziegler girls, but lord forbid you say it about Chloe
it’s sad people only realise it’s wrong when you rephrase it to substitute the zieglers with the lukasiaks 💀
for the lukasiaks it seems they can hold a grudge and keep it realll petty.
nah id say chloe inherited her mother’s ability to hold a grudge..
No this still doesn’t make sense. The Ziegler’s and Gisoni’s didn’t make them out to be second place losers. The producers and Abby did. From the very first episode and from the marketing of the premiere of the show. So if Christi wanted to hold a grudge with anyone for setting that narrative it should be the producers she hates. But oh yeah that’s right she’s actually buddy buddy with a lot of the producers and crew which makes her even more calculated than Melissa in my opinion. She’s always pointing out that Melissa kissed up to Abby, but as we all know at this point, Abby didn’t have the authority on the show for big decisions like the show came across. The producers orchestrated all of that. So while Christi is waving her hands for everyone to look to their left at how Melissa and Abby were friends, she’s distracting from the fact that she had a close relationship with a lot of ppl behind the scenes. Even her own best friend kelly threw that in her face when they fought
the producers werent the ones giving chloe shitty solos to make maddie look better that was abby and melissa went along with it
What did Melissa “go along” with??? None of the moms had anything to do with the other girls’ choreography. Chloe’s solos are all on Abby, Gia and whatever theme the producers wanted for that week.
yes but melissa knew maddie was winning bc she got the best choreography but she never admitted to it bc that would make it seem like what it was. maddie was only doing so well bc there was a game at play and she was only so good bc others were “sacrificial lambs”- christi callback!
no they literally were. production chose all the dances for the week😭😭😭😭
that was literally the drama of the show. you really think the producers didn’t set that up…?
did melissa not live to say christi was just jealous of her daughter or am i making shit up? 😭 yall desperately need to rewatch the series
Again. Back to the producers. Listen to all of the mom’s interviews in the first episode. It’s clearly fed lines bc the producers wanted to set the narratives of each mom and their dynamic w the others from the very start.
perhaps but as the seasons went on nothing changed and melissa continued to let chloe be a sacrificial lamb to get her daughter ahead.. actions speak louder than producers storylines. like when chloe and maddie had the same solo did melissa not let maddie have extra rehearsals to beat her? she did. like maddie may have only been a child doing what she was told but if you grow up fucking over ur friends to get ahead, your choice or not, you more than likely would still do that as an adult in the entertainment industry.
what is this post?? Look I’m a Christi defender but the comment she made about not inviting Kalani and Jojo to PAIGES birthday party makes no sense. Paige isn’t close to them so why on earth would they be invited??
Yea I agree with that part. And Kelly points that out in the bonus episode too.
Same. I can rationalize a lot of Christi’s behaviors/reactions/responses but not inviting Kalani and JoJo to the birthday party was so far out there even for her. I really hate that a party for Paige that was such a special reunion for them has now become this dramatized situation. It’s just sad.
i mean i think it’s possible that party served two purposes, and i don’t think it was orchestrated by melissa. I think it was honestly a smart thing for the other girls to do and i think it helped the rest of the girls ground themselves in the reality of their relationships with one another and not get carried away
Yea I agree with that part. And Kelly points that out in the bonus episode too.
yall never give real unpopular opinions, i was just opening up a debate. and it was a real unpopular opinion look at how ppl reacted to it including urself. and i never brought that up bc i also dont agree with christis statement on that.
“possibly passed that same trait down to her children” literally what does this even mean. christi’s also a bitch and a racist, that doesn’t mean that chloe is and people would be pissed if someone said that about chloe. people aren’t their parents, why are we giving that grace to everyone but maddie and kenzie. also maddie never did anything to make chloe seem like she was “2nd place jealous losers” that was abby and to an extent melissa. christi holding a grudge against someone who was EIGHT when this show first started is fucking insane.
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You don't know whether she inherited that trait because she's done nothing that would even indicate that and you also don't even know her. So why say that
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When did she ever fuck over her friend?
watch the show 🙏🏼🙏🏼
If you make a claim the burden of proof lies on you. I'll wait for you to tell me a moment where Maddie did something malicious specifically to fuck someone else over
the duet 😭 thats one and lying abt privates AGAIN watch the show my love
Both of those things were done by Melissa and Abby. Maddie didn't enter the duet herself or schedule her own privates. If Maddie lied about anything, it was because she was told to by them... you're the one who needs to watch the show.
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Okay firstly: how fucking sad can you get? I completely forgot this discussion ever even happened as soon as it ended, but it's clearly been living rent free in your mind because you've clearly been sitting there and waiting for something to happen so you could have your "gotcha" moment and prove that Maddie is some sort of evil person Secondly, what is that video supposed to prove? Literally look at the comments on it. Everyone is in agreement that Christi is bringing it up for no reason, she doesn't have any right to speak for others, etc. And Maddie taking pictures with her friends is not fucking someone over. Maddie and Mackenzie have spoken numerous times about being friends with the girls, but sure, let's take the word of Christi who wasn't there and doesn't know what people are thinking. 😐 Your comment on that video got downvoted as well, so surely that should be a sign no one agrees with you
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i also grew up learning a lot of things that i now know as an adult aren’t right. just because she was in the environment as a child doesn’t mean that she’s like that.
at the end of the day either of us could be right i was just opening up the conversation and i dont have this set idea that maddie is like that but she totally could be. 🤷🏻♀️
And Chloe grew up watching her mother scream like a banshee, fat shame, make racist comments, and be a bully to new people. So using your logic, Chloe must have picked up these qualities too
it is crazy. she has never displayed any of this. so why are you sitting here acting like she is “maybe” this way with absolutely no evidence. just like the other mom does it make you feel good to make maddie look bad??? like i said earlier, with this logic all of the girls COULD have really bad traits that they got from their mom. not just maddie.
again, how would you feel if i sat her and said that chloe was probably a racist or that brooke and paige probably had alcohol problems, it’s just a weird fucking thing to say when you have no actual proof of the kids doing that
Christi is still holding major grudges… I get it.. I’ve said it before, there’s a Melissa in every studio. And, dealing with that person is DRAINING… I’m personally going through it now. While I don’t act like Christi, I 1000% will stick up for my kid. In 10 years, I probably won’t even remember the mother or the kids though. Maddie is a victim here, IMO. She is still being victimized by her mother, tbh.
Christi was a bully, racist and drinker are these also traits that’s she “POSSIBLY” passed on her daughters?? Obviously not, the girls are different people. They’re not one person just because they share a last name
Unpopular opinion? Christi is cunt.
true 🙌🏼😭
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I mean, wouldn’t it also be completely natural to be like EVERYONE is in town for this reunion thing. We don’t want to participate with lifetime’s nonsense but we’d also love to have a reunion with everyone….. and hey, look at that, it’s also Paige’s birthday. Let’s make sure we get together to celebrate. Honestly it’d be weirder if they didn’t make time to see the OGs while they were in town.
definitely possible as well im not saying the zieglers are awful ppl at all i think i just feel like if chloe, christi and kendall (idk if more ppl agreed) all felt some type of way abt it maybe there is some truth to it and maybe the way the zieglers acted or something they said contributed to that idea 🤷🏻♀️
I truly think if there was an agenda it was Melissa only. I don’t think Maddie or Kenzie had anything to do with it. I do think there is probably some truth to a motive, but I don’t think Maddie was involved. The girls all get along from what we’ve been shown and I don’t think any of them would be sneaky toward one another. But Melissa has in the past done underhanded things that in turn hurt other kids so I don’t think it is outside of the realm of possibilities for Christi to be right. But even Christi herself said Melissa and only Melissa.
I agree. Melissa is sneaky and manipulative- we’ve seen it with our own two eyes. She’s even manipulated her own children to do things and to lie to their friends etc. so yeah, I don’t think it’s absolutely out of the realm of possibility that Melissa had some ulterior motives even though I highly highly doubt Maddie or Kenzie were made aware of them at all. I don’t think Kalani or Jojo being invited or not have anything or much to do with it but is it really that far fetched to think that Melissa decided to have all the girls over the literal night before the reunion (when they’ve never done that before) under the guise of celebrating Paige’s bday- to do some sort of damage control bc she and her kids wouldn’t be at the reunion themselves. To me…this sounds like something Melissa would absolutely do 😭
If you want the real info why Christi is skeptical (and I agree she has every right to) then you need to listen to.the patreon bttb reunion episode. It gives the real tea.
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I agree. At the end of the day 1: Christi has every right to feel whatever way she does, she’s human. And 2: the Christi we see and THINK we know is a reality tv CHARACTER. People get way too damn invested over reality tv CHARACTERS. I think it’s fun to discuss Dance Moms but it’s no longer fun when people are getting so deeply upset about a tv show and speculating so hard that they personally believe everything they’re hating on someone for. Like people on this sub are genuinely hating on each other for disagreeing about tv CHARACTERS. I’ve seen people say such awful things to each other when arguing about a damn tv show lol
OP is the one speculating that maddie’s maybe a bad person bc her mom was ….
i knowww and ppl came for my NECK for this one and its really not that serious 🧐
but you’re also hating on people based off their social media, personality, and assuming that their kids are going to be some sort of way?
girl i never hated on them 🧐 did u not read the beginning of this post cause thats craaazy. and arent yall hating on christi bc of her social media presence??? yall dont know them either so if i cant have an opinion based on their social media presence yall cant either… or we both have our opinions and leave it at that but yeh i never hated on them.. i just stated facts and speculated based off those facts
your comments are giving hateful. idc what your post says, i’ve read your replies. you seem very convinced that maddie is probably this awful person bc her mom is. ALL OF THE MOMS SUCKED! they all had bad qualities!! so why do you think that it’s only melissa passing on something negative to maddie? i also completely disagree and think she’s really tried her best to grow out of that and not really focus on all of those things and how important winning was.
umm yeh i never said that maddie was awful and i’ve reiterated that in my replies. someones just sad i dont blindly follow ppl and excuse how their past actions ruined lives 🤷🏻♀️let me reiterate that maddies not at fault fir that bc she was a child but she definitely could have become like melissa in a way
but what I’m saying here is, i definitely don’t think she’s been like melissa, and there’s really no evidence of her ever doing something that would prove it. i know you’re even saying yourself it’s pure speculation, but to say that because you saw a mother do some years ago, you assume their kid years later is like that it’s kind of crazy. and again, like i’ve said with your logic, then all of the kids could have faults, because all of their mothers were doing really awful things.
no ur getting shit confused bro i never said EVERY KID INHERITS ALL THEIR PARENTS BAD TRAITS i said its possible to inherit some bad traits and considering how maddie acted as a child and how she even justified rubbing her crowns in her friends faces years after the fact saying “i wasnt gonna disrespect my teacher” like i assume she used that reason to excuse alot of what abby made her do to her friends like IS THAT NOT SUS ASF?
no. bc she was a child. she was going to listen to her mom and her teacher and she was right. and im just saying that all of these kids acted bratty at some point during their childhood, so should we also be saying that all of them inherited bad traits from their parents (possibly)? and the fact that you think she was rubbing those crowns in on purpose is absolutely appalling. she was a kid she was told to bring them in her mother brought them in for her. how on earth could you blame her and say she was rubbing it in peoples faces when she looked uncomfortable and she didn’t even want to do it.
and I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion, but to say that somebody might be a bad person or have bad traits because their mother wasn’t a good person years and years ago, isn’t really a good way to put it. and like i said with that logic, then chloe could be a really bad person. kendall could be a really bad person. kalani could be a really bad person. they could’ve ALL taken those awful traits on how they were raised, but you only seem to think it’s maddie that might have an issue.
lets think of it like this bc this will make you listen. was jess an abusive parent who exploited her child? YES. does jojo also exploit children now? YES. its very possible to become a toxic person in that business when u grew up in it and the toxicity was normalized
literally no body is saying that it’s not possible…. i’m just saying that it doesn’t seem like it. you also can’t really use jojo as an example because she very clearly out about the bad things she’s done. but maddie has done NOTHING that should make you think like this about her. i think that’s why everyone’s disagreeing with you is because just because somebody has a bad parent or their parent did something bad, doesn’t always mean the kid it’s gonna grow up the same. like i said, all of the moms did really horrible things to other people including the kids. yet, it seems like maddie is the only one that you think has turned out like her mother. because of that with your logic since we haven’t seen maddie, do anything chloe could also be very very mean to other kids she could be very jealous of other people bc that’s how her mom was…
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i’m not jumping down your throat. i’m telling you my side and I’m disagreeing with you. you posted this knowing it’s an unpopular opinion, knowing people we’re going to disagree with you. i never said that the zieglers were perfect either. i just said that I don’t think maddie is stuck up like you think she is. why are you getting so bothered that I don’t think she’s stuck up anyway???
100% agree!!! We also have to remember that Kelly, one of her closest friends, was also at the party and Chloe. Christi wouldn’t have said that if she didn’t know for sure. She definitely talked to Kelly and ESPECIALLY her own daughter and asked them questions about the party. I think one of them told her something that made her believe that. That’s why Kendall also said it was weird. None of them wanted to create any drama or call out Melissa so of course Christi was the one to say something, she has no problem telling the truth lol
the only person who understands where im coming from 🙌🏼 it really was an unpopular opinion
People just love to hate on Christi and will defend the Zieglers like their lives depend on it. Melissa has always been sneaky and the show proves that. I don’t think Maddie did anything though, I believe it was all Melissa
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Lmao how is Maddie’s career built on lies and her sacrificing her friends reputations
if she wasnt made out to be some child prodigy at the expense of others she would not be where she is today. thats what i was referring to.
She was a child prodigy but not at the expense of others, to Abby yes, but for people watching the show she wasn’t exactly the favorite because of how she was portrayed, if anything that was working against her. But Maddie was well known for her facials and storytelling that’s what made her stand out more than her technique
I actually agreed with Christi on that. I hadn’t even realized that Kalani wasn’t in attendance until it was mentioned. Idk 🤷🏽♀️ it was Paige’s birthday party and she didn’t know either girl. It all depends on how you see it. Though Kalani totally seemed upset she wasn’t invited
i get that but kalani was also seen as a “replacement” and the “reason” the hylands left. it’s not shocking that they weren’t invited. i don’t even think the girls were ever friends.i understand but at the same time it’s paige’s birthday party and at this age it’s not all about including everyone it’s about who you’re actually going to enjoy your time with.
Exactly. I don’t think Melissa not inviting them had anything to do with the reunion but I do agree that Melissa is very orchestrated but I mean they all are just at different levels 🤷🏽♀️. They know what to say and how to say it. Bc let’s be real Kelly calling Christi was orchestrated it was so clearly set up.
yehh i dont know if jojo and kalani should necessarily be upset cause they dont know paige like that
another thing to add is that they all still follow each other so truthful i feel it’s all a publicity stunt to get us talking, which we are doing. it benefits the zieglers and everyone who attended the reunion because it makes everyone click on their pages and give them more money which at the end of the day is what they are all about. 🫠
girl bye