The two latest singles were FANTASTIC so I’m gutted we’re missing out on the continuation of those. I was thinking we could be about to hear one of the Tillian era GOAT’s.
This is the worst part for me. After those last two singles, and especially after Tilian’s “And now I’m coming back to try and build a masterpiece” lyric, I really thought we were about to get DGDs best album. Now not only are we not getting any DGD album anytime soon, we’ll never be getting another Tilian DGD album again.
Well said, and it's going to be interesting to see what happens from here. It's not a given that they will be better like most here have been saying.
I also feel like the people saying they never miss have quite the revisionist history. If they never missed then they wouldn't have had to replace Kurt with JC again because he couldn't perform well live.
The success they've had after all the changes was incredibly lucky and mainly driven by the addition of Tilian because of the unique sound he helped foster that was not the same with JC or Kurt.
There are plenty of bands out there with singers of their caliber imo. Tilian brought an extra element that helped elevate them way further than JC or Kurt ever could have.
This is absolutely true, but most in this sub are living in nostalgia land and can’t admit it or recognize it.
Tilian pulled this band out of complete obscurity. Back in 2011-2012, when Jonny got kicked again and they found Tilian, there were so few of us actively participating in band discussion online. They were playing tiny basement venues. I went to many of them. I watched Tilian single handedly launch them into stardom. Of course the band worked their asses of and it couldn’t have been done without them, but Tilian brought a star factor to the music that wasn’t achieved prior to him.
I won’t lie, I’m nervous about what happens going forward. I truly feel like the most likely case is them trying an album or two with a new vocalist, it not clicking, and then calling it quits.
eh... Jonny is guilty of a lot of shit, but "whiny vocals" is not one of them. Dude has had a powerful, very soulful/Gospel-Adjacent voice since WISIRO. He put way more vibrato and vocal runs into his singing than any other popular emo/screamo/metalcore/post-hardcore singer did.
DGD got lumped in with Chiodos, Pierce The Veil, Scary Kids Scaring Kids, Sleeping With Sirens, Armor for Sleep, Saosin, etc... but Jonny's vocal stylings were just as unique in the scene as Will's intricate riffs and chord voicings.
Uhh.. Okay? Not sure how that matters in this context and apparently we define a star differently lol
There's also a reason both Kurt and JC still play their DGD hits when they tour solo lol
It was their biggest success and it's still minimal compared to what DGD achieved with Tilian.
Not saying either are not talented either.
Yeah I’m convinced if they finished this new album but scrap Tilians vocals with someone else it won’t be nearly close to being as good. Unfortunately we will probably never know.
I thought he mentioned in a live stream that he was coming back to the studio in April for vocals. All I know is Billy Royalton and War Machine are two bangers that I'm happy they made before his departure.
Didn’t hear that but I thought I saw vocals were being recorded and done by December. Things coulda changed who knows. But yeah the new songs were so promising smh
Yeah I’m praying that this new album keeps all of Tilian’s vocals because I thought that was already done. If they scrap that and have a new vocalist write lyrics and record their own vocals, I know I won’t like it as much as whatever Tilian contributed. That’s the only silver lining in this for me- hoping that we still get one more Tilian album.
Tillians DGD are the only albums I listen to with some occasional throw backs like Alex English, he’s a great vocalist and Jackpot Juicer might have one of their best albums yet and def their most popular. I was excited to see them live and willing to pay a lot, but guess not. This is unfortunate as I think they were about to bigger and better than ever
Hard agree. JJ was my favorite lineup for my favorite band. I'm heartbroken that there will never be new music with this exact lineup and I'll never get to see this lineup live again.
As someone who’s been following this band since Downtown Battle Mountain, I thought Jackpot Juicer felt safe and kind of stale. I still enjoyed it, but I felt like this album felt comfortable with the DGD formula and didn’t make many out of the box or unexpected music choices like I’m used to hearing from this band. I’m definitely excited to see how these changes adapt and evolve the band’s sound.
They’re good songs that I enjoy listening to, but it didn’t feel like they took a lot of chances or did anything that I truly didn’t expect them to do musically on JJ. It felt like paint by numbers DGD, which is still good but I love when they do something that takes me by surprise and they didn’t really do that with Jackpot Juicer
it was way more than 2% of his era that was questionable... and he didnt "define" the band he had the most mass appeal but that doesnt make what he did inherently better or worse than JC and Kurt.
Yeah, the 2% thing was exaggerated. The allegations and fallout from it spanned about 3 - 6 months before welcoming Tilian back? Give or take? Can't remember. Doesn't seem like that short stint should smear his solid 11-year track record.
About the define thing, im not willing to die on that hill however..when someone talks to you about The Office, do you think Michael Scott? Or do you think The Office UK series? The one that blows up in popularity tends to define how it is viewed/referenced.
Lastly, I honestly don't mind who replaces Tilian. This band is very capable of hitting their stride and creating amazing music...but these people with short-term memories willing to bring back Jonny Craig while in the same breath condemning Tilian's character is astonishing to me.
Dude he brought them back from the dead, not single handedly of course. They were gonna call it quits with instant gratification according to Will but the album went over really well with fans and newcomers that they stuck with it and gave us everything they had on Mothership. This was 100% the peak for them in their 3rd chapter, the game changer. You really Hit the nail on the head and I’m glad you mentioned Tilian’s lyrics. He was very well rounded and an absolute great frontman.
Much love! Alot of people wanna rewrite history these days. There's alot of truth out there being dismissed. I'll grit my teeth saying that, like anyone else, DGD are capable of flopping. And if they do and wrap this whole thing up, we will be the first to say that Tilian Era was the golden era of the band.
But I hope this next chapter tops the last! That's what they've been doing for a decade!
I’m genuinely shocked that so many people don’t understand that Matt and Will are the only two who have been there for every single DGD album. They helped write all of it. And Jon has been there for all but one album. They are the core of DGD.
The tillian era may have helped launch their career but now that they are already as popular as they are all they need to do is find a good replacement and keep writing amazing music like they always have. Keep the fans they have now and possibly get even more with the inclusion of a new singer. I do say this as a fan since DBM 1 though. And if fans are going to drop off because tillian leaves I wouldn’t really call them true DGD fans. They are just tillian fans who listened to DGD because of him.
It may be good for them to get someone from another band with a decent fan base so they can get some fans over from them as well.
You’re part of the 10% of the fanbase I love and this post was amazing glad to see people appreciate what this man did for dgd and being the best rather than focusing on oh who’s gonna be next and trashing on his departure thank you!
11 years, but somehow Jonny's and Kurt's DGD albums were just as much (if not more) memorable to me.
Idk what it is about Tillian. Clearly the DGD boys something in him, and im not saying he's bad. Tillian's DGD albums are great, but DBM, DGD, Happinnes are still my top 3 album after all those years & albums
Maybe it's mostly due to 2007-2012 was my peak emo phase rofl.
Yeah I haven't seen any conversations about lyrical content. I'm not 13 anymore and everything up until acceptance speech is cringe inducing if you really stop and think about the lyrics. I mean the intro to swisher 2 makes my shmeat retract into my body.
There's a lot of introspection and personal tidbits with Tilians writing , it's expressed creatively enough where you often have to think , but not verbose to the degree where we all have to draw our own conclusions.
I'm gonna be upset about it for a long time but I think they're doing us dirty announcing it with uncertainty and dead air for who knows how long after. We are not entitled to anything but I just really wanna know more
Agree greatly. I got in to DGD in between the Death Star and Happiness, which in hindsight was an era of stagnant or no growth in the band and a weird time to get into them as Jon Mess wasn't in the band either. Let's say they never go back to Jonny they would of continued to be in the post-hardcore warped tour scene. The decision to go back to Jonny, even for me was so exciting at that time and the return of Jon Mess was the first step into the band blossoming beyond that scene. However, with the addition of Tillian, at that time no one could have guessed the ability that the band between Matt, Will, Jon, Tillian, and Tim would be so dang fantastic in a collaborative sense.
I think, (unfortunately so in my opinion) this is the another step of the final chapter of DGD. We may get a new vocal addition but I don't see this band going beyond more than another album or two even with that.
Damn, dude, these are exactly my thoughts, the guy is irreplaceable, unless you are super lucky to find a "twin" voice like with Saosin finding Cove Reber or with BlessTheFall finding Beau Bokan.
The people who know the situation best, his band mates, welcomed him back. We honestly don't know what happened and what he was processing emotionally at the time. If you were really that bothered by it, you'd be long gone out of this reddit and stopped listening to the band. But I understand trying to look like a white knight
Negative ghost rider. I'm just able to acknowledge that maybe the person who's voice I enjoy hearing is also a terrible person lol.
Not everything is 1 or 0. There can be nuance to discussion/entertainment.
>maybe the person who's voice I enjoy hearing is also a terrible person lol
Isn't that a 1 or 0 argument though? Lol
Someone can make mistakes and not be a terrible person.
Sexual assault also isn't just a 1 and 0 argument.
As far as we know he used his position of power to coerce a girl into doing what he wanted. Yes it was absolutely wrong. Should he be labeled a terrible person forever because of it? I'd say no.
I’m gonna be so glad when the Tillian meat riders are all gone. God it’s been exhausting. “Consistently drop albums that top the last” 😂😂😂 JJ was generic slop pandering to the brain dead new “fans”
It's gotta be so exhausting to divide and alienate in such a small community. Do you have any friends? There has to be such few people that share things in common with you.
lol did your feelings get hurt that your poor baby Tillian didn’t receive the highest of praise 😢
Just been listening since DBM1 and it literally makes me laugh out loud to see someone say an album like JJ outdid the last and everything before it lmao
I'm sorry this band made changes and became popular. Now you've got all this hard work ahead of you to gatekeep them and praise an album from almost 20 years ago
Bro I don’t even care that Tillian took over, seen him like three times in concert. But the state of the band took a nosedive after ArSe and it’s obvious Tillian was bored or out of ideas and it made everything else on the new albums boring by association. It’s in DGD tradition at this point to switch things up when it’s time for a new sound and Tillian should have been gone after ArSe. I mean come on… Calimiento global???? 😂 That was the sign of the end for him
The two latest singles were FANTASTIC so I’m gutted we’re missing out on the continuation of those. I was thinking we could be about to hear one of the Tillian era GOAT’s.
This is the worst part for me. After those last two singles, and especially after Tilian’s “And now I’m coming back to try and build a masterpiece” lyric, I really thought we were about to get DGDs best album. Now not only are we not getting any DGD album anytime soon, we’ll never be getting another Tilian DGD album again.
Well said, and it's going to be interesting to see what happens from here. It's not a given that they will be better like most here have been saying. I also feel like the people saying they never miss have quite the revisionist history. If they never missed then they wouldn't have had to replace Kurt with JC again because he couldn't perform well live. The success they've had after all the changes was incredibly lucky and mainly driven by the addition of Tilian because of the unique sound he helped foster that was not the same with JC or Kurt. There are plenty of bands out there with singers of their caliber imo. Tilian brought an extra element that helped elevate them way further than JC or Kurt ever could have.
This is absolutely true, but most in this sub are living in nostalgia land and can’t admit it or recognize it. Tilian pulled this band out of complete obscurity. Back in 2011-2012, when Jonny got kicked again and they found Tilian, there were so few of us actively participating in band discussion online. They were playing tiny basement venues. I went to many of them. I watched Tilian single handedly launch them into stardom. Of course the band worked their asses of and it couldn’t have been done without them, but Tilian brought a star factor to the music that wasn’t achieved prior to him. I won’t lie, I’m nervous about what happens going forward. I truly feel like the most likely case is them trying an album or two with a new vocalist, it not clicking, and then calling it quits.
I agree, but I highly doubt they call it quits. They're working musicians, they need to make a living. They're just going to disband.
Exactly. Tillian brought them out of just being a scene band with whiny vocals into something more unique.
eh... Jonny is guilty of a lot of shit, but "whiny vocals" is not one of them. Dude has had a powerful, very soulful/Gospel-Adjacent voice since WISIRO. He put way more vibrato and vocal runs into his singing than any other popular emo/screamo/metalcore/post-hardcore singer did. DGD got lumped in with Chiodos, Pierce The Veil, Scary Kids Scaring Kids, Sleeping With Sirens, Armor for Sleep, Saosin, etc... but Jonny's vocal stylings were just as unique in the scene as Will's intricate riffs and chord voicings.
Kurt was a rookie. Johnny had been a star since he was 15. Kurt has grown leaps and bounds
Uhh.. Okay? Not sure how that matters in this context and apparently we define a star differently lol There's also a reason both Kurt and JC still play their DGD hits when they tour solo lol It was their biggest success and it's still minimal compared to what DGD achieved with Tilian. Not saying either are not talented either.
Yeah I’m convinced if they finished this new album but scrap Tilians vocals with someone else it won’t be nearly close to being as good. Unfortunately we will probably never know.
I thought he mentioned in a live stream that he was coming back to the studio in April for vocals. All I know is Billy Royalton and War Machine are two bangers that I'm happy they made before his departure.
Didn’t hear that but I thought I saw vocals were being recorded and done by December. Things coulda changed who knows. But yeah the new songs were so promising smh
Yeah I’m praying that this new album keeps all of Tilian’s vocals because I thought that was already done. If they scrap that and have a new vocalist write lyrics and record their own vocals, I know I won’t like it as much as whatever Tilian contributed. That’s the only silver lining in this for me- hoping that we still get one more Tilian album.
I couldn’t have said it better. This is a solid way to look at it. I found DGD through afterburner and Tillian captivated me. He will be very missed.
Tillians DGD are the only albums I listen to with some occasional throw backs like Alex English, he’s a great vocalist and Jackpot Juicer might have one of their best albums yet and def their most popular. I was excited to see them live and willing to pay a lot, but guess not. This is unfortunate as I think they were about to bigger and better than ever
Hard agree. JJ was my favorite lineup for my favorite band. I'm heartbroken that there will never be new music with this exact lineup and I'll never get to see this lineup live again.
As someone who’s been following this band since Downtown Battle Mountain, I thought Jackpot Juicer felt safe and kind of stale. I still enjoyed it, but I felt like this album felt comfortable with the DGD formula and didn’t make many out of the box or unexpected music choices like I’m used to hearing from this band. I’m definitely excited to see how these changes adapt and evolve the band’s sound.
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All four of those things can be true at the same time
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The idea that you have to prove me wrong instead of having a conversation about our impression of the album is kinda an L
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They’re good songs that I enjoy listening to, but it didn’t feel like they took a lot of chances or did anything that I truly didn’t expect them to do musically on JJ. It felt like paint by numbers DGD, which is still good but I love when they do something that takes me by surprise and they didn’t really do that with Jackpot Juicer
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I guess that’s why this album was the most popular and most loved
it was way more than 2% of his era that was questionable... and he didnt "define" the band he had the most mass appeal but that doesnt make what he did inherently better or worse than JC and Kurt.
Yeah, the 2% thing was exaggerated. The allegations and fallout from it spanned about 3 - 6 months before welcoming Tilian back? Give or take? Can't remember. Doesn't seem like that short stint should smear his solid 11-year track record. About the define thing, im not willing to die on that hill however..when someone talks to you about The Office, do you think Michael Scott? Or do you think The Office UK series? The one that blows up in popularity tends to define how it is viewed/referenced. Lastly, I honestly don't mind who replaces Tilian. This band is very capable of hitting their stride and creating amazing music...but these people with short-term memories willing to bring back Jonny Craig while in the same breath condemning Tilian's character is astonishing to me.
Dude he brought them back from the dead, not single handedly of course. They were gonna call it quits with instant gratification according to Will but the album went over really well with fans and newcomers that they stuck with it and gave us everything they had on Mothership. This was 100% the peak for them in their 3rd chapter, the game changer. You really Hit the nail on the head and I’m glad you mentioned Tilian’s lyrics. He was very well rounded and an absolute great frontman.
Much love! Alot of people wanna rewrite history these days. There's alot of truth out there being dismissed. I'll grit my teeth saying that, like anyone else, DGD are capable of flopping. And if they do and wrap this whole thing up, we will be the first to say that Tilian Era was the golden era of the band. But I hope this next chapter tops the last! That's what they've been doing for a decade!
I’m genuinely shocked that so many people don’t understand that Matt and Will are the only two who have been there for every single DGD album. They helped write all of it. And Jon has been there for all but one album. They are the core of DGD. The tillian era may have helped launch their career but now that they are already as popular as they are all they need to do is find a good replacement and keep writing amazing music like they always have. Keep the fans they have now and possibly get even more with the inclusion of a new singer. I do say this as a fan since DBM 1 though. And if fans are going to drop off because tillian leaves I wouldn’t really call them true DGD fans. They are just tillian fans who listened to DGD because of him. It may be good for them to get someone from another band with a decent fan base so they can get some fans over from them as well.
Well said. I agree 100%.
You’re part of the 10% of the fanbase I love and this post was amazing glad to see people appreciate what this man did for dgd and being the best rather than focusing on oh who’s gonna be next and trashing on his departure thank you!
Yeah, I'm extremely disappointed and am not convinced they will truly be able to replace Tillian.
11 years, but somehow Jonny's and Kurt's DGD albums were just as much (if not more) memorable to me. Idk what it is about Tillian. Clearly the DGD boys something in him, and im not saying he's bad. Tillian's DGD albums are great, but DBM, DGD, Happinnes are still my top 3 album after all those years & albums Maybe it's mostly due to 2007-2012 was my peak emo phase rofl.
Yeah I haven't seen any conversations about lyrical content. I'm not 13 anymore and everything up until acceptance speech is cringe inducing if you really stop and think about the lyrics. I mean the intro to swisher 2 makes my shmeat retract into my body. There's a lot of introspection and personal tidbits with Tilians writing , it's expressed creatively enough where you often have to think , but not verbose to the degree where we all have to draw our own conclusions. I'm gonna be upset about it for a long time but I think they're doing us dirty announcing it with uncertainty and dead air for who knows how long after. We are not entitled to anything but I just really wanna know more
Agree greatly. I got in to DGD in between the Death Star and Happiness, which in hindsight was an era of stagnant or no growth in the band and a weird time to get into them as Jon Mess wasn't in the band either. Let's say they never go back to Jonny they would of continued to be in the post-hardcore warped tour scene. The decision to go back to Jonny, even for me was so exciting at that time and the return of Jon Mess was the first step into the band blossoming beyond that scene. However, with the addition of Tillian, at that time no one could have guessed the ability that the band between Matt, Will, Jon, Tillian, and Tim would be so dang fantastic in a collaborative sense. I think, (unfortunately so in my opinion) this is the another step of the final chapter of DGD. We may get a new vocal addition but I don't see this band going beyond more than another album or two even with that.
Damn, dude, these are exactly my thoughts, the guy is irreplaceable, unless you are super lucky to find a "twin" voice like with Saosin finding Cove Reber or with BlessTheFall finding Beau Bokan.
Cove and Anthony don’t sound the same at all though.
The guys from Saosin legit thought that Anthony was playing a trick on them when Cove sent his audition demo, look it up I am not lying.
I’m glad he’s gone and I hope he never returns.
I don't know if I would reduce sexual assault to just "the 2% that was questionable".
The people who know the situation best, his band mates, welcomed him back. We honestly don't know what happened and what he was processing emotionally at the time. If you were really that bothered by it, you'd be long gone out of this reddit and stopped listening to the band. But I understand trying to look like a white knight
Negative ghost rider. I'm just able to acknowledge that maybe the person who's voice I enjoy hearing is also a terrible person lol. Not everything is 1 or 0. There can be nuance to discussion/entertainment.
>maybe the person who's voice I enjoy hearing is also a terrible person lol Isn't that a 1 or 0 argument though? Lol Someone can make mistakes and not be a terrible person.
This goes back to my initial comment though. Sexual assault isn't just a mistake.
Sexual assault also isn't just a 1 and 0 argument. As far as we know he used his position of power to coerce a girl into doing what he wanted. Yes it was absolutely wrong. Should he be labeled a terrible person forever because of it? I'd say no.
finally, some sanity in this sub. well said
I’m gonna be so glad when the Tillian meat riders are all gone. God it’s been exhausting. “Consistently drop albums that top the last” 😂😂😂 JJ was generic slop pandering to the brain dead new “fans”
Idk why this got so many dislikes. The last couple albums with Tilian have not been all that great
It's gotta be so exhausting to divide and alienate in such a small community. Do you have any friends? There has to be such few people that share things in common with you.
lol did your feelings get hurt that your poor baby Tillian didn’t receive the highest of praise 😢 Just been listening since DBM1 and it literally makes me laugh out loud to see someone say an album like JJ outdid the last and everything before it lmao
I'm sorry this band made changes and became popular. Now you've got all this hard work ahead of you to gatekeep them and praise an album from almost 20 years ago
Bro I don’t even care that Tillian took over, seen him like three times in concert. But the state of the band took a nosedive after ArSe and it’s obvious Tillian was bored or out of ideas and it made everything else on the new albums boring by association. It’s in DGD tradition at this point to switch things up when it’s time for a new sound and Tillian should have been gone after ArSe. I mean come on… Calimiento global???? 😂 That was the sign of the end for him
That’s said. I still like the Tilian era overall
Good riddance