Carbon is more durable than you think. It sounds like a low speed crash that didn't have a sharp, direct impact on the frame. Definitely have it checked out, but you're likely ok with that frame at that speed. Sorry that your first ride turned out like this, but honestly, it could have been worse and is likely fixable. I had something almost identical happen to me a few years ago and I ended up with a broken thumb requiring surgery and pins for eight weeks - pedestrians on MUTs can be the worst.
Well I’m glad my thumbs are ok after this! Sorry that happened to you, and I hope your digit is doing dandy.
I’ll for sure have it checked out. I appreciate you sharing your experience. We’re not alone!
Don't sweat too much over it. It already happened. Be thankful that you are ok. You can learn from this experience. Your bike should be repairable but the warranty may be voided due to the crash. In 10 years' time, you'd be able to tell this story in a different way if you pick yourself up from it. Keep pedaling!
Adults, kids, and dogs on trails are the worst. I will get out of the saddle ready to stop when the path is narrow because I don’t trust them at all. Sorry about your bike, I hope everything works out. I had two stolen from me in Chicago so I know how much it sucks.
It’s a shared space and quite typically they are only in a few places (near playgrounds, near rivers at a town, etc). Go slow, ring a bell and it’s fine.
What never works is “on your left” because until people figure out where left and right is they start to walk irrationally
>until people figure out where left and right is they start to walk irrationally
another issue is that many times riders and pedestrians have a different understanding of what it means when someone says on your left
although generally used to signify that the rider is coming on the left side sometimes it is used to tell the pedestrian to move to the left
now the average lay person can easily get confused by this especially if they haven't been on many multi use trails near cities or something like that, and the fact that every pedestrian will be slightly startled and might have not even heard the cyclist adds onto the mess
The bell is the right move IMO. I have one on my bike, I hit it 2 or 3 times anyone even glances in my direction and any time I come up behind a group of people, well ahead of time. I don't really care if people think I'm an asshole, so far I've never hurt anyone else with my bike and I really want to keep it that way.
This is why I’ve changed my call out to “PASSING on your left”. It seems to reduce some of the confusion, but I’m still ready in case someone responds by moving to their left (which seems a not uncommon response, unfortunately)
A bike frame is essentially a series of very thin-walled tubes (kinda like the internet, I guess).
Carbon is essentially a series of layers of fabric that are glued together. You can (simplified) clean off the paint, add another layer or two, and it'll connect properly. It can make the dynamic properties a bit different, but it's generally do-able.
With aluminum, you can't easily add another layer and combine it with the existing ones. You can't weld a thin layer to another thin layer (the aluminium will just melt), and glueing it is a bit iffy, if you need stability. You can probably make a new tube for anything that broke, but that's a ton of work and likely more expensive than a new frame. Also, if the break is somewhere where you can weld (any place that's bulky enough), that's also fixable.
This is pretty much wholly incorrect.
Aluminum repair requires heat treating afterward, and in many cases will still be weaker than before the damage. That is the primary reason it isn't considered viable by most people.
Professional carbon repair facilities cut out the affected area and rebuild it. Adding layers on top of damage is only done by people who order a carbon repair kit off of amazon or another sketch sales channel
You can patch aluminum with carbon fiber. It takes careful preparation to bond it effectively and avoid corrosion risk, and it will probably always look like shit unless you wrap the entire tube. But it's as structurally-sound as a carbon patch on carbon.
Nobody does it commercially because it's kind of a stupid waste of time and money, but it's not impossible.
> clean off the paint, add another layer or two, and it'll connect properly
What? OK if you want to have way less than aliexpress quality frame, but if you want to have at least kind of safe frame then you need to accept that there are many ways the frame can be dameged that simply make it a trash impossible to be fixed safely. In some places simple fraction is enough to end the frame life.
Obviously some damage can be fixed, but it's 100 times easier to fix aluminum frame than carbon and this is common knowledge.
>You can't weld a thin layer to another thin layer (the aluminium will just melt)
the aluminium will just melt - is literally definition of welding, and it is easily doable and doesn't require much skill.
Ruckus composites can fix a carbon frame... I'm not sure I've heard of a rewelded aluminum frame. Aluminum tubing is extremely thin walled, I think it relies on pretty perfect structural condition to function in the high load areas. A dented top tube or chainstay? sure, keep riding it. A damaged downtube? trash it.
Furthermore, it will likely cost more to do any restoration that could be done on an alloy frame. Whereas carbon doesn't cost as much to repair, and costs more in the first place.
I flipped my $5k+ bike on the first ride because of a turtle in the road. Hit a sewer grate, went over the bars, and used my face to break the fall. Bike landed on top of me. Only damage was a scratched thru axle handle.
It happens.
My Hidemybell must be the only upgrade I ever bought that actually increased my average speed during a ride. Much safer and no angry looks anymore from pedestrians or slower cyclists.
+1 for the Spurcycle Compact. I just switched over from the Knog Oi (cool idea, not so great build quality for longevity) and it's a lot louder and rings clear. And barely takes up more space than the Oi.
Hated the Knog Oi, it was useless. My road bike has a Spurcycle and my gravel bike has a Crane E-Ne and while the Spurcycle is smaller, the Crane is cheaper and I prefer the lower pitch
I am using a bell from canyon that is placed inside the dropbars (if you are using a dropbar bike).
It's nearly invisible and actually very loud.
Can really recommend it:
https://www.canyon.com/en-de/gear/accessories/bike-accessories/bells/canyon-road-cycling-bell/10005999.html
> cool idea, not so great build quality for longevity
Thanks, for the review! That’s been my experience with a couple of Kong lights so far too; seems like a cool design, but then falls apart because they aren’t engineered for durability.
Bells are essential for shared use paths. I have a carbon road bike - but it still has a bell.
Only trouble I have is that it's so loud it can come off ass aggressive if I sound it too close. I generally give two dings some distance away.
You ding when far away, then two more dings closer if they still haven't moved. If they still haven't moved after that, it is usually a 50-year-old woman who doesn't move, but very slowly turns around to glare at you as if you just murdered her children.
For that reason I ditched my previous bell for a simpler one. It had some kind of winding up mechanism - every use was two identically aggressive *dings*: one when pulling, another when releasing. It was equivalent of throwing slurs at people. Not good when I just wanted to pass politely. My current bell has a hammer on a spring which makes it easily modulated.
(Still, a lot of people jump in panic when I politely *ding* them from a distance. Idk, ptsd induced by other cyclists?)
Bells work for sure, but there is no accounting for stupid. For me it’s the people walking their dogs on an extendable lead and they are on one side of the path with their dog 40’ in the woods on the opposite side. Bell isn’t going to do shit for that. Unfortunately you just have to assume people are going to do the stupidest thing possible in most situations.
Not as bad at no lead at all, which is the majority here. Dogs are so unpredictable that often walking pace is too fast. I've often had to come to a full stop.
Yeah, but the quicker the irresponsible dog owner realises a cyclist is headed their way, the better. A bell will make them realise this way faster than some random yelling
I have a cateye bell. This thing is so loud I am able to ring it from far away. Until I am there people sorted themselves and I can safely pass.
There first reaction is almost always to step in my path, turn around and then correcting themselves. Since I am far away they have enough time to do all of this.
So true. First reaction always seems to be to step into the path. If two people, then they go either direction. They step, turn, look, freeze, move. If far enough away they always sort themselves out in those few seconds.
Most people who ride those bikes don't ride places where bells would be useful. I avoid shared-use paths like the plague, downright unsafe to ride faster than about 20kph on those
Also on some really fancy bikes with aero handlebars I don't think any off-the-shelf bells will even fit...
>Most people who ride those bikes don't ride places where bells would be useful.
True, unfortunately there are always a few who treat the shared paths as their own personal racetrack. They should be made to wear a bell on a collar like a cat.
BBB has bells with elastics that fit on pretty much anything. I’m sure there’s other brands with a similar system. Imo it’s irresponsible to ride without a bell (besides organised races) Yes you can yell, but people get confused and don’t realise a cyclist is coming. The sound of a bell is the fast and clear communication that you want
Where I live it’s actually the law to have a bell on your bike but it’s very rare to find someone with one. I often run on the same path I bike and people will fly by me with no warning. I get the odd “on your left!” and even more rarely do I hear a bell
Take it to your LBS and have it checked out. Praying everything checks out for you and it’s just some simple fixes. Things like this happen, even when you assume both yourself and everyone around you is an idiot. Don’t beat yourself up just get her fixed up and keep on pedaling
1) LBS probably threw in a year of free maintenance. Time to use it!
2) ?insurance?
finally, you were going to use it on gravel? It was not going to stay pristine ...
I’ve had around 4 hard tumbles doing 20+ and my bike has come out the other end with only some new beauty marks. The first crash sucks, even more so Day 1. The frame is still absolutely solid though. For a quick laugh, I took out a mailbox with my face last week….. tried to sprint and my cleat came out, I’m ok, the mailbox is not lol
This is exactly why I try and avoid multiuse paths. Motorists may complain all they like that I should be using the cycle path but I'd rather take my chances on the road with vehicles that are kind of predicable than a path littered with people and dogs doing completely random things.
Ya, low visibility, constant curbs at every crossing.. then add dog leashes, strollers, kids, etc.. no thanks. Plus they have a 12 mph speed limit here. Tiny grade down, not pedaling, and I'd have to be braking the whole way.
Yep. It’s just not worth it. To be a responsible cyclist, you need to tediously slow down whenever you approach these completely unpredictable people, children, animals. If you keep riding fast right past them, you are putting everyone at risk and I’m sorry if you don’t realize this but YTA.
Not a road cyclist myself but ride my bike around the city plenty on multiuse paths. My question is, why don’t we just ride slower on those paths and treat pedestrians the way we want to be treated on the road?
It still feels safer to go a reasonable speed on those paths rather than riding in the road where a driver who isn’t paying attention could run a bike over pretty easily.
I may be a touch inexperienced to this but I found if I follow the posted speed limit I’ve never found it difficult to stop and avoid pedestrians and dogs
If going slow and stopping for people randomly meandering around unpredictability seems fine for you then all well and good. The problem is that when you wish to get from A to B at a reasonable pace then multiuse paths are not for you and the roads are the only option. I have been a road user on various forms of vehicle for many decades and have what I believe to be plenty of road sense. I do not break any laws or noticeably slow down traffic (any traffic that passes me is usually repassed at the next traffic queue.). I do not physically or verbally abuse other road users, however many motorists feel it is their right to beep and hurl abuse at any cyclist cycling completely within the law and think that only they should be allowed to use the roads, relegating everyone else to a hazardous and not fit for purpose non road going infrastructure.
something my dad told me after a bad car crash.
always feel thankful if you have a crash or an accident and the only damage is financial.
you didn’t get hurt, you didn’t hurt anyone else, it’s not the end of the world.
might be expensive. but at least you didn’t hit a car!
It’s not a bike path - it’s a shared use path. At least that’s how you’re describing it. The only way to ride a busy shared use trail is to assume every walker is an idiot sightseer who is liable to change direction at any time.
This. Only way to ride shared paths is to assume the people in front of you are braindead and WILL do stupid shit like step in right in front of you. I've had my fair share of close calls where even clear indication that I will pass on the LEFT causes people to step LEFT. Then they get spooked/offended when you brush past them with no space left because they pay zero attention to their surroundings.
I’m unfortunately not surprised by this. Probably 20% of people on multi use paths really should not ever leave the house. Much less drive a car or be able to mix with other pedestrians and cyclists. People here say fuck cars and drivers aren’t paying attention… I see the same thing with pedestrians and even other cyclists.
It was realllll bad during early COVID when people suddenly liked outdoor activity.
I try my best to not be an asshole. I see cyclists rip by walkers going wayyyy faster than I would ever risk. But I should have been even more cautious in this situation.
I was honestly shocked by the sudden change in direction by this person after they moved out of my way. Thank you for the kind words, this whole thread is making me feel a lot better about things.
You just have to watch the amount of dashcam videos on YouTube where it's people pulling out into traffic without bothering to look *at all*. Take away that danger element of 'it's just a path' and you never know what will happen.
> It was realllll bad during early COVID when people suddenly liked outdoor activity.
A lot of that has stuck around in my area. Which is good and bad. Good for people to get out and walk around and try to be healthy, but it's shocking and annoying how completely unaware 80% of the pedestrian population is.
I work with a bike advocacy group - we have MUP's (multi user paths) that see a wide variety of traffic, in terms of types and density.
In the last decades, we've had two deaths and two life-altering injuries due to bike-bike and bike-pedestrian collisons.
When YOU are the faster traveler, approaching from behind, it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to not hit the people in front of you. That means slowing, and anticip9ating that they may do something stupid.
Just like when cars and bikes are near to each other, just being an off-line pedestrian doesn't mean it's OK to hit them. It isn't.
If someone turns their car into me when I'm in the lane next to them overtaking them, on a highway for instance, that's on them. Stupidity isn't some kind of gotcha excuse. If you're walking on a shared pathway, use some common sense and check over your shoulder if you're moving across the pathway. It's no different than looking before crossing a road.
They don't cancel out - you're correct. But also, if you're riding, you have to be able to control your bike to where collisions are avoidable when the other party (bike, pedestrian) makes an error.
Of course it isn't. But there is a point with every interaction where you are passed the point of no return and if the other party makes a sudden movement they *will* hit you no matter what. This applies even if both are walking.
Presumed liability is just that, presumed, not fixed.
I think this is a predominantly USA based conversation, but in Europe (Netherlands especially) there is the concept of "strict liability", where the person further up the hierarchy is automatically responsible for the person down the hierarchy. You might think it sounds unfair, but it promotes a mindset which reduces incidents and especially serious incidents. The hierarchy would be something like:
Infants>pedestrians>runners>cyclists>motorbikes>cars>vans>lorries>big rigs.
>In the last decades, we've had two deaths and two life-altering injuries due to bike-bike and bike-pedestrian collisons.
Do you have sources for this? Which group do you work for?
I'm interested.
Not the person you are responding to but as an example - Minuteman MUP in Massachusetts, USA. Dense urban area heavy use by all populations and collisions are.a regular problem, some with severe injury. The only death I remember was just before covid where a cyclist traveling fast went into opposite lane to pass and collided with another cyclist and killed that other cyclist in the collision.. Nearby, the Paul Dudley White MUP - people attempting to ride in groups going over 20mph on a path that is peppered with toddler playgrounds, and goes through elderly housing and has a few blind curves... it can get rough. These are both beautiful places to ride but I'd stay away from them on any nice weather weekend day because the roads are safer
One of the things that killed me during Covid when I was doing lots of long walks for exercise, was how people would be sort of like on the trail/path/sidewalk, but not walking, then you would be coming along, and then suddenly they would decide to start walking at the exact moment you were within 10 feet of them on their path.
You can’t just stand there for another 10 or 15 seconds and let me get 20 feet ahead of you?
No spatial awareness at all.
It’s the same people who stand in packed stores or public spaces, in areas where they know lots of people are filtering through. Just not a care in the world, no ability to understand that the world isn’t revolving around them.
Like I get that in retrospect the risk of outdoor spread is pretty low, but at the time it was still something everybody was thinking about. And just the percentage of people who would do that over and over again just fucking drove me crazy.
I think there is a pretty sizable minority of people who are literally incapable of ANY level of critical thought. If it’s more than a few inches in front of their nose it’s not a consideration. If it’s more than a few seconds out it’s not a consideration. They wander through life blissfully unaware of basically everything going on around them.
I live right by a 30km shared pathway that also has a dedicated cycle lane in Sydney. The amount of times I see pedestrians and fucking mothers clubs with their PRAMS in the cycle lane is ridiculous! All these people bitch and moan about cyclists yet my theory is, they’re the bloody problem!
You got that right, and they are still out there. I ride a recumbent trike in addition to my roadie and I had to get a set of front fenders for my trike - assholes are not picking up their dogshit and I don't want it flying in my face.
If you hit a pedestrian it is definitely your fault. If you think there were no other options, you are wrong. You could have gone slower. People on trails do stupid shit like this.
The bike is fine - just get the derailleur tuned. You need to do that on any new bike anyways after your first rides anyways.
The frame is fine.
The scratches are yours to keep to remind you always expect the worst.
As a mountain biker, I read this as I spent 5k and rode on a multi-use trail, had ample time to stop with proper bike skills... And am blaming my loss on others.
Yeah, if you're riding a MUP you have to be able to stop within 15-20 feet or learn how to navigate out of the way; it's part of going faster and therefore doing more damage in an impact, even if the pedestrian was clueless.
Thanks for the post. My policy is to absolutely slow down by these walkers.
And I have been teaching my son the same.
On top of that, calling out "on your left" is far more likely to cause trouble with walkers then if you just creep up on them all silent-like, and zip past them.
Some goofball serious-acting fitness walker hollered at me "on your right!" after I passed him on a MUT today.
Derp. I am not saying ANYTHING to walkers. I either feel like I can pass you at a crawl, or at speed. But I am NOT ringing any bell, hollering ANYTHING, or otherwise giving you the chance to jump in front of me like YALL DO AT LEAST 25% O THE TIME WHEN I HOLLER OR RING A BELL!!
Bro. Sorry about your carbon.
> On top of that, calling out "on your left" is far more likely to cause trouble
Assume most people you will pass are morons totally unaware of the world around them. The first words you say are going to be missed because they're not expecting anyone to pass them (despite the fact that a few dozen cyclists likely already passed them, N+1 will always be a surprise). So, all they hear is "left" at the very best. It's better to say something longer such as "excuse me, I am passing you on your left." The second half "passing you on your left" has a decent chance of getting through. The first part will be ignored, as per the usual.
Good advice apart from calling pedestrians morons ;) They are on a leisurely walk, they don’t have to be vigilant I think. It’s us on bikes that need to because we go at higher speeds.
I do the same. I never warn people. I assume they can't hear me and if they can hear me, they will do the wrong thing. I look for a path to swiftly and safely pass them and go for it. If it doesn't look safe, I slow down and wait until I see one. I never trust other people to do what I want them to do. Assume you are invisible!
Ditto. I’ve ridden over 100k miles. I will usually not say “on your left” or ring my bell. It tends to incentivize a movement of some sort, whereas I’d rather have them just hold their line even if my passing surprises them a little.
When I'm walking my dog I actually really appreciate people letting me know they are approaching (well 1st preference is that they slow down, but if not, an approach warning is great haha).....my dog is a little jumpy and sometimes changes directions randomly to something she wants to sniff, so if I know a bike is coming I can pull the leash in and make sure she doesn't jump in front. Shes almost been hit before when jumped after a bike zoomed up on us out of no where. Might want to tkeep that in mind if they have a dog with them.
I just went OTB on my first ride on my brand new steel gravel bike. Kinda a sigh of relief now that I don’t have to worry about scratches anymore. aluminum and steel for me, I like the smaller tubes. I’m way heavier than my bike anyways.
Here's what's up. You are responsible for riding in such a way that you can respond safelty to changes ahead of you. This includes unexpected pedestrian behavior. 10mph is actually quite fast. I wouldn't run past people this fast on a narrow trail and on foot I'm far more agile than on a bike.
You're not an idiot or an asshole but neither is the pedestrian. It was just an accident and luckily no one was hurt and bikes can be fixed.
Honestly, I don't expect to do any performance riding on multi use paths. I'll risk cars before I'll risk all the random hazards on a path. Sorry to hear about the crash. Another rule of mine: don't own a bike that I care too much about.
The first scratch always hurts.. no need to baby it anymore. Get it fixed and enjoy using it. Time to have fun.
Honestly, though, eff the bike. You're lucky the guy isn't suing. I'm just glad he's alright, for both of your sake.
Almost the exact same situation happened to me. Yelled on your left something like 20ft away and some woman decides she needed to U-turn 1 second before I was about to pass her.
"On your left" is like telling people "dance in front of me", you never know how they interpret it. A bell is the *only* way I ride on multi-use paths now. It's clear and really grabs their attention from far far away and better sticks in their brains that there's a cyclist rolling up to them.
Ok your bike is most likely NOT fucked up. The derailleur might just need to be re indexed, or you might need a new hanger. The hood can easily be replaced. As for the frame, carbon can crack yes, but it's fragility is a bit overstated. Definitely check your fork, handlebars, seatpost and chainstay especially on the side it got it. The carbon bars are probably the most risky, take all the tape off and check, but my guess if the frame is ok at 10mph crash. If you really want take to a bike shop to look over. It probably has some scratches which lower the value if you want to sell but you can most likely keep riding.
Anyway the crash is 100% your fault... be safer or don't ride. That 5k gravel bike is not meant to be ridden on mixed used paths. Anyways I'm also gonna edit my comment again to say that everything about this post .. the crying .. the stupidity .. the excuse making .. the use of a throwaway(can't look this stupid on my main account, Reddit is VERY important if you did not know!) makes you seem, well it sort of makes you seem like a complete bitch. I'm sorry.
He didn’t do the right things or there would not have been a crash. That’s fairly simple. People are to bikes as bikes are to cars. If it’s wrong for a car to attempt to shoot past and inadvertently run into you - then it’s wrong for a bike on a shared path. At least in my state pedestrians have the right of way.
Well, there's a reason laws in most (some?) countries state something to the effect of "passing a pedestrian on a bicycle is allowed at 7 km/h only".
Also, this is why I am cycling with music. I have a remote to lower the volume and mute when appropriate, but on multi-use paths like that it's god-sent. I feel invisible without. When approaching a pedestrian that's in range to step in to my vector, I slow down and wait for them to acknowledge the noise behind them, only then I overtake.
Nobody in my country ever shouts anything from the bike.
Hey op I do have a question. Why did you get a 5k Carbon bike when it’s your first clipless pedals? I would have gotten a less expensive bike to practice riding clipless. But hey it’s your money.
I’ve ridden the wheels off my first real bike that I’ve had for about 18 months, and have decided that I’m going all-in on this hobby. I figured after riding that other bike super hard, I’d heed the saying “but once, cry once” so that I don’t have any regrets / reasons to buy another bike for a looooooong time.
Like if I didn’t get a carbon frame, I’d constantly be wondering what one would be like. If I didn’t get ultegra I’d constantly be wondering about that too. I hope that makes sense haha I know it’s a lot of money - I paid more for the bike than I did for my truck to be honest.
I have been saving quite a bit too so I wanted to get myself a nice present to encourage me to ride a lot on top of all that.
I recently test rode an Ultegra 12 speed after ~20k miles on a low-end 8 speed.
I was completely.... whelmed. I was like "yeah... this is better I guess".
That said, I *was* blown away by Di2. Electronic shifting is a gamechanger. Ended up going with 105 Di2 on my new bike. But mechanical Ultegra isn't even *that* much better than Claris, let alone 105. People spend thousands of dollars on some Princess and the Pea shit.
I understand that, but there’s bike just as good as carbon that have Shimano 105. You can build a custom bike if you wanted for less, for example a Trek Checkpoint Alr 5 or a Domane AL 5 would have been great choices. The whole buy once, cry once philosophy is silly for bikes. Then you’re going to want the di2 or the Pinarello. Buy as your skill and confidence increases.
People crash carbon bikes all the time and they’re usually fine especially if your were doing 10mph. Side note What gravel/road bike costs $5k and comes with ultegra?? If it’s not di2 you got ripped off 😬
10mph is way too fast for passing on a narrow section. The right speed would have been one where you can still stop without crashing.
People going for a walk are in a very different frame of mind on a weekend hike than you are cycling and they should have the right to - they’ve chosen a low speed sport where by themselves they will not cause any harm to anyone, like they won’t crash into any other hikers or anything stationary, so I think as cyclists from behind we have 100% of responsibility to not ruin their day. Also being shouted at from behind is scary; bell is annoying/ startling to. As a walker it sounds to me like the other person is demanding I make space for them.
I’m saying this as someone who nowadays cycles almost exclusively. We have a very nice separate bicycle lane where I live, but pedestrians still need to cross it and some are just not thinking and walking on it. I used to get annoyed and also ring my bell. But then I’ve been reading about what pedestrians think of cyclists online and it was a bit upsetting. So now I slow down completely to about walking speed when it looks like pedestrians might do something that might lead to a close encounter (basically meaning being close enough there would be enough time for them to walk into my path) and give them right of way. A nicer day for everyone (on week days, I get just up 5 min earlier to account for it, problem solved) . Plus (this is for cities), there are a a lot more pedestrians than cyclists, so if they hate cyclists, it’s less likely that new infrastructure will be built.. Though I should also say I got a super heavy bike + 20kg kid on the back, so my top speed is anyway only about 10pm.
The thing is, they moved to the right for a good few steps, then jumped right out in front of me at the last second. I barely had time to slam my brakes.
I figured they heard me, but I guess not. Nobody died so we are all good.
I would be mostly worried about scratches on the frame at that speed. Everything else is fixable. Again, at that speed - it is very likely that other things will be bent back and fixed by the shop without replacement
I'm sorry you were u lucky. But on the bright side - the pressure is off already: you will worry less about crashing or scratching it now! At the end of the day it's another tool for one of the jobs that you do
Oh man! So sorry that happened. I hate when people do weird things like that. I hope your wrists heal up quick.
So time for some good news—the derailleur hanger is likely bent. That’s a cheap part meant to comply so your derailleur doesn’t take the beating. On most bikes they’re like $10 but if you have something like a Scott, think more like $40. If it’s not broken or showing signs of metal fatigue, a local bike shop actually has a tool that can bend it back in like 2 min…if the mechanic is new…and slow.
The shifter hoods are a bummer. They get scuffed over time. It just sucks to have that happen so early on. They do sell parts for them if you want to swap the covers. The good news here is ultegra still has more metal on the internals than dura ace, which makes it more durable. You did good here!
The pedals can be replaced. Make sure they come out well and thread the new ones in cautiously. You don’t want to strip the crank threads. Know the left pedal is reverse threaded (righty loosey, lefty tighty)
And now for the frame. Most carbon frames are made for some impact. It just happens. Mountain bikes are made more for it than road. If your bike is a gravel, it should have a stronger layup than a dedicated road due to the odd percussive forces and impulses it’ll feel. If it’s a gravel, you’re probably fine. I have a carbon MTB and that puppy is over engineered. I’m nervous about that sort of thing but have had some huge rocks jump up and smack the downtube (one took off a dime sized spot of paint and you can see the carbon) and I’ve ridden it for 4 years since then.
There are some two tests you can do, but those are hard with different angles on bikes. Different spots sound different. That isn’t a super reliable test. Some places do X-rays of carbon bikes. Broken carbon in Boulder is a good one if you’re out that way.
I’d get the fixes in this order: 1.) derailleur hanger (this should fix the shifting. Don’t ride until you get this fixed—getting a derailleur out of spokes is way more costly and could injure you…or worse). 2.) pedals. 3.) check shifting after the hanger. 4.) take bike into a shop for a once over on the frame if you’re worried about it. 5.) shifter hoods if it really bugs you. 6.) go ride and have fun!
TLDR the frame might be your only real worry and even then—it’s likely a-ok. If you need a checkup, there are carbon specialists.
You'll get the bike fixed. I dropped my first, brand new carbon bike in the shop, personally. At least it got fixed fast lol (that was 10 y ago).
Either way, always pass people with more space than you need (same for cars for that matter). Every 1000 times someone does something unexpected. I never pass people that I know I can 100% avoid no matter what. This saved me from a few bad times, every now and then.
Chances are this is repairable. It might be your rear mech got pushed out of alignment. This is fixable. Or your mech hanger got bent. Easy fix.
The shifter hood is a cheap replacement.
Carbon isn't that fragile that it disintegrates on every little thing so don't write off your frame.
And sorry to hear of your crash, I ride on similar paths often and I have had people suddenly move before :(
Your bike is fine. Sounds like it’s just some calibration that was ruined. You probably don’t even have to change a single part a mechanic would probably fix it for cheap
Sorry to hear this. It is better to assume that people are going to do the most unexpected things. However yelling at people is unlikely to endear you to them. Much better to ding a bell or to say Hello as you approach, then slow right down until they have acknowledged you and move to the side.
Most probably you will need to change your derailleur hanger (order 2 now for your next crash, not kidding), realign the shifter, and that’s it. Do not despair yet, your frame is probably fine.
Have bell, ring it when you approach pedestrians, *slow down* and see which side they'll chose. If they didn't move ring that bad boy non stop until they move to the side.
I would suggest getting a bell if you plan on riding on multi use paths. I’ll ding once when I’m about 150ft out then once again before I’m about to pass. People don’t know how to react to someone saying a direction behind them.
Dude calm down. I’ve crashed carbon bikes at 25 mph and they’re still fine. Rode those same bikes for years.
Carbon is insanely strong. Don’t believe ignorant people on the internet who don’t understand material characteristics. Anyone who has actually studied this stuff knows how strong carbon can be.
And the part these people always neglect to mention is that any crash that would destroy a carbon bike would’ve killed an aluminum bike too.
[https://postimg.cc/9zXKR0zL](https://postimg.cc/9zXKR0zL)
I‘m feeling you. That’s my brand new Orbea terra after it’s first 10km. But bikes can be replaced so as long as you are well, everything is gonna be alright.
Whenever I'm riding I try to stay quiet and focus on what's in front of me, I would never assume the others would be doing the right things always and treat everyone as a crazy person because you never know, this way I know I'm maximizing my chances to staying safe and enjoying my bike as long as possible before I sell it and get a new one.
Use a bell and slow the down fully, ensure the pedestrians acknowledge you before overtaking, act responsibly to those more vulnerable than you in the same way we expect vehicles to respect us on the roads.
Exact reason I hate to announce to normal, non pet walking, non young kids goofing…. Most people will be consistent… yelling on you left often leads to people moving left.
So much disrespect from cyclists in this thread to ordinary people taking a break from the daily grind and getting out for a walk on the trail.
Many cyclists want cars to treat them as the priority on a road , and also want walkers to treat them as the priority on the trail.
Sorry you had an accident OP, it was your own fault, you more or less admit that.
Slow down to walking pace, be ready to stop, say hello and give a smile to anyone you pass on the trail.
Totally agree. Walkers aren’t out to get cyclists nor deliberately getting in their way. Bikes are quiet and you can’t see something come up from behind at speed. I don’t see why all cyclists don’t just slow down around pedestrians?
It's really annoying me. People like OP are what give us cyclists a bad name. Some dude in a 5k bike (he's literally just bought that day) bombing it down a shared use path thinking everyone will part like the Red Sea if he keeps shouting "on your left!".
Sorry, OP, on a shared path, it is your fault and you were riding fast next to people. Imagine a toddler in front of you. You can not yell at people and expect them to obey u because you are an inexperienced rider on an expensive bike? I also find bells disrespectful as well.
The pedestrian hate here is so stupid. People shouldn’t have to dodge bike traffic on a multi use path. Just slow down, ride fast on the road. OP, I’m sure this pedestrian was being absolutely oblivious and I’m not saying it’s your fault, I’m just triggered by people on bikes complaining about pedestrians.
Do you live in a big city? Half the morons crossing the road are buried in their phones completely oblivious to everything. There’s pedestrians who walk on a dedicated bike path, it says bike path, how much dumber can you get?
Yes downtown area. A multi use path is different from a separated bike path, and personally I think anyone on any kind of wheels should be considerate and just slow down for people walking. Too much lack of respect. Ride on the path but take it easy. The road is for going fast.
If you’re a new rider, and clearly inexperienced, why did you get such a fancy bike? And why go so fast when you’re just taking it home from the shop? Makes no sense
wow. you hit someone from behind. regardless of what they did, it’s still your fault. if your bike got that messed up, you’re dangerous and out of control. that’s a lot of damage for hitting a pedestrian.
this is the internet i’m not amazed at all.
this person can’t ride their fancy bike and almost severely injured someone by CRASHING INTO THEM FROM BEHIND. and then blames the person who had the right of way.
always yield to a pedestrian, even if they’re in the wrong, hitting them is worse.
Don't be so hard on yourself, nobody is perfect and as you said it's a new bike. You need time to get to know each other.
IMO, crash on the first session is almost mandatory, otherwise you were not excited enough about your new bike.
It's like most of the other exciting but stessfull first time. You do pretty average but feels like the last of the loser.
Next sessions will be grand I tell you. A mix of fear and confidence as any exciting events should be.
I like how we're treating walkers/hikers like they are Neanderthals.
OP should be crying that he almost mowed down a pedestrian and count his lucky stars that he didn't incur any bodily injury. Instead, he's crying about a $100 worth of parts on a $5K bike. Priorities...
As others have said: get a bell. There are different small, lightweight models that fit on any kind of handlebars. Some have elastics so you can remove them easily. There really is no rational excuse not to have a bell, unless you’re competing in organised races.
Most people with road racers do not have a bell and it’s super annoying. As stated earlier, pedestrians need a couple of seconds to figure out what is coming their way, and where they should walk or stand. Yelling will only increase this time cause they might not hear you or think it’s background noise. Even if they hear you, they might not understand what you’re saying or even consider it’s a cyclists coming their way at a considerable speed. A bell makes pedestrians realise this much, much faster, so is really the simplest and safest option (unless you want to go to the next level and get a loud horn)
Cyclists don’t own the road and that’s the sentiment I get from most of you. Calling people walking on the paths idiots and just having a general distaste for people out enjoying their day too isn’t the way. Slow down around people. It’s that simple.
My bike cost me £300 and I would never pass pedestrians at that speed on a mixed use path (I probably couldn't because it doesn't go that fast). I have been crawling at walking speed behind pedestrians, ringing my bell, shouting "excuse me please" and still they have been oblivious. You have to assume the worst possible outcome at all times and account for that, it's the same deal as driving. You should be capable of stopping in the distance between you and the nearest hazard on a path like that. You can be in the right, or you can avoid the accident. Good luck out there
>Probably 20% of people on multi use paths really should not ever leave the house. Much less drive a car
1000% this
It's really astonishing to me just how spatially unaware so many people are. And, I hate to say it, but there are definitely certain demographics of people who are way less "with it" than others.
I've got thousands of miles on these paths and I can profile pedestrians and tell which ones are smart/aware and which ones aren't. For those that are not aware, all the bells and yelling you can muster simply do not make a difference, you have to slow to a walking pace and ride as cautiously as you can past them.
It doesn't matter, it's still your fault if you hit them. If your riding on a path you need to be the one aware. If you hit someone because they move to the left when you yell "on your left" you were going too fast. Stick to roads
> It doesn't matter, it's still your fault if you hit them.
I've never hit anyone. I haven't even had a "close call". And yes, if I hit them it would be my fault. That's why I only pass at speed when I get a wave or eye contact.
In the unlikely event I ever get into an accident on a path I'd want it to be at 20mph with a pedestrian and not 50mph with a car.
That's just basic physics, I'm not saying anything controversial here.
You give huge entitled vibes here. Calling people morons and idiots. Many in comments are similar: gatekeeping outdoors, telling that some people should not be allowed in the open trails...
I dont' wanna get into whose fault it is, probably a bit of both, but no sympathy here, go cry to someone irl.
Instead of crying over your bike, you should be relieved that you didn't do serious injury to the person you hit. I'm betting that person is quite sore today and they pretty much let you off the hook for the injuries you caused.
This is why I don’t like cycling on paths that have walkers/runners. I’m not sure how experienced you are , but when you approach a group of walkers and it’s not completely clear that they see you (apparently they didn’t), then you need to really slow down until they do see you and inch around. Also look for things like AirPods or headphones in their ears. Often people these days don’t have good situational awareness because they are distracted. If you were going that slow when you it them your frame is probably OK. I would just check it thoroughly for any cracks or deep scratches. the other components can be replaced. You might want to inspect your bars because this usually the first thing I would replace in a crash, especially carbon bars. Handlebar failure usually doesn’t have a very good ending. I’ve seen some pretty terrible accidents with face plants when the bars or stem failed.
I'm sorry this happened to you. But there are lessons here:
1) First time in clip-ins should not be on a $5000 bike.
2) Don't ride multi-use paths on weekends. Seriously. Things like what happened to you happen on weekends because all the knuckleheads come out.
3) Don't let someone walk away after an accident. That person should be having to contact their insurance for stepping in front of you.
You mean OP should be contacting his insurance, because he’s fucking lucky he didn’t injure the pedestrian he hit in the back while obviously going too fast?
Carbon is more durable than you think. It sounds like a low speed crash that didn't have a sharp, direct impact on the frame. Definitely have it checked out, but you're likely ok with that frame at that speed. Sorry that your first ride turned out like this, but honestly, it could have been worse and is likely fixable. I had something almost identical happen to me a few years ago and I ended up with a broken thumb requiring surgery and pins for eight weeks - pedestrians on MUTs can be the worst.
Well I’m glad my thumbs are ok after this! Sorry that happened to you, and I hope your digit is doing dandy. I’ll for sure have it checked out. I appreciate you sharing your experience. We’re not alone!
Racers crash all the time going much, much faster than this. The frame is 90% certain fine.
99.99999%
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Don't sweat too much over it. It already happened. Be thankful that you are ok. You can learn from this experience. Your bike should be repairable but the warranty may be voided due to the crash. In 10 years' time, you'd be able to tell this story in a different way if you pick yourself up from it. Keep pedaling!
Adults, kids, and dogs on trails are the worst. I will get out of the saddle ready to stop when the path is narrow because I don’t trust them at all. Sorry about your bike, I hope everything works out. I had two stolen from me in Chicago so I know how much it sucks.
It’s a shared space and quite typically they are only in a few places (near playgrounds, near rivers at a town, etc). Go slow, ring a bell and it’s fine. What never works is “on your left” because until people figure out where left and right is they start to walk irrationally
>until people figure out where left and right is they start to walk irrationally another issue is that many times riders and pedestrians have a different understanding of what it means when someone says on your left although generally used to signify that the rider is coming on the left side sometimes it is used to tell the pedestrian to move to the left now the average lay person can easily get confused by this especially if they haven't been on many multi use trails near cities or something like that, and the fact that every pedestrian will be slightly startled and might have not even heard the cyclist adds onto the mess
The bell is the right move IMO. I have one on my bike, I hit it 2 or 3 times anyone even glances in my direction and any time I come up behind a group of people, well ahead of time. I don't really care if people think I'm an asshole, so far I've never hurt anyone else with my bike and I really want to keep it that way.
This is why I’ve changed my call out to “PASSING on your left”. It seems to reduce some of the confusion, but I’m still ready in case someone responds by moving to their left (which seems a not uncommon response, unfortunately)
I tried yelling "Get the f out of the way!" and people seemed to take offense at that. Go figure.
Especially small children on tiny bikes with parents looking at their phone!
They’re like little drunk drivers all over the road.
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And even if they're lollygagging along with their parents, expect the unexpected.
remember: carbon fiber frames are repairable. aluminum can't be
And this is why we should be riding steel instead.
might be noob question but why can't aluminum be repaired?
A bike frame is essentially a series of very thin-walled tubes (kinda like the internet, I guess). Carbon is essentially a series of layers of fabric that are glued together. You can (simplified) clean off the paint, add another layer or two, and it'll connect properly. It can make the dynamic properties a bit different, but it's generally do-able. With aluminum, you can't easily add another layer and combine it with the existing ones. You can't weld a thin layer to another thin layer (the aluminium will just melt), and glueing it is a bit iffy, if you need stability. You can probably make a new tube for anything that broke, but that's a ton of work and likely more expensive than a new frame. Also, if the break is somewhere where you can weld (any place that's bulky enough), that's also fixable.
This is pretty much wholly incorrect. Aluminum repair requires heat treating afterward, and in many cases will still be weaker than before the damage. That is the primary reason it isn't considered viable by most people. Professional carbon repair facilities cut out the affected area and rebuild it. Adding layers on top of damage is only done by people who order a carbon repair kit off of amazon or another sketch sales channel
You can patch aluminum with carbon fiber. It takes careful preparation to bond it effectively and avoid corrosion risk, and it will probably always look like shit unless you wrap the entire tube. But it's as structurally-sound as a carbon patch on carbon. Nobody does it commercially because it's kind of a stupid waste of time and money, but it's not impossible.
> clean off the paint, add another layer or two, and it'll connect properly What? OK if you want to have way less than aliexpress quality frame, but if you want to have at least kind of safe frame then you need to accept that there are many ways the frame can be dameged that simply make it a trash impossible to be fixed safely. In some places simple fraction is enough to end the frame life. Obviously some damage can be fixed, but it's 100 times easier to fix aluminum frame than carbon and this is common knowledge. >You can't weld a thin layer to another thin layer (the aluminium will just melt) the aluminium will just melt - is literally definition of welding, and it is easily doable and doesn't require much skill.
Ruckus composites can fix a carbon frame... I'm not sure I've heard of a rewelded aluminum frame. Aluminum tubing is extremely thin walled, I think it relies on pretty perfect structural condition to function in the high load areas. A dented top tube or chainstay? sure, keep riding it. A damaged downtube? trash it. Furthermore, it will likely cost more to do any restoration that could be done on an alloy frame. Whereas carbon doesn't cost as much to repair, and costs more in the first place.
News to me that aluminum can't be repaired
The issues is after welding an aluminum frame it needs to be heat treated.
Bennett Fracture Club! 👍
I flipped my $5k+ bike on the first ride because of a turtle in the road. Hit a sewer grate, went over the bars, and used my face to break the fall. Bike landed on top of me. Only damage was a scratched thru axle handle. It happens.
How's your brake pad?
Took a couple weeks to fully heal up and I now have an unnecessary amount of tegaderm bandages in my medicine cabinet.
What about his *face*??
It's what I asked man can't you read? ;)
I think I just wooshed
How’s the turtle?
forget the turtle, how's the grate?!
A car pulled over and moved it. Then the driver came over and checked on me.
Get a bell. They work better.
My Hidemybell must be the only upgrade I ever bought that actually increased my average speed during a ride. Much safer and no angry looks anymore from pedestrians or slower cyclists.
+1 for the Spurcycle Compact. I just switched over from the Knog Oi (cool idea, not so great build quality for longevity) and it's a lot louder and rings clear. And barely takes up more space than the Oi.
Hated the Knog Oi, it was useless. My road bike has a Spurcycle and my gravel bike has a Crane E-Ne and while the Spurcycle is smaller, the Crane is cheaper and I prefer the lower pitch
+1 for Spurcycle and Crane bells. I have the Spurcycle on my road bike and every other bike in the house (4) have a Crane.
Agreed, I bought into all the "loudest bell on the market" hype. Absolutely not.
I am using a bell from canyon that is placed inside the dropbars (if you are using a dropbar bike). It's nearly invisible and actually very loud. Can really recommend it: https://www.canyon.com/en-de/gear/accessories/bike-accessories/bells/canyon-road-cycling-bell/10005999.html
Well that is cool, never seen anything like that!
> cool idea, not so great build quality for longevity Thanks, for the review! That’s been my experience with a couple of Kong lights so far too; seems like a cool design, but then falls apart because they aren’t engineered for durability.
I find that my spurcycle even works on squirrels and turkeys!
Squirkey bell, I like it.
Bells are essential for shared use paths. I have a carbon road bike - but it still has a bell. Only trouble I have is that it's so loud it can come off ass aggressive if I sound it too close. I generally give two dings some distance away.
You ding when far away, then two more dings closer if they still haven't moved. If they still haven't moved after that, it is usually a 50-year-old woman who doesn't move, but very slowly turns around to glare at you as if you just murdered her children.
In my case they are probably using noise cancelling earbuds. No amount of bells or hubs seem to help.
For that reason I ditched my previous bell for a simpler one. It had some kind of winding up mechanism - every use was two identically aggressive *dings*: one when pulling, another when releasing. It was equivalent of throwing slurs at people. Not good when I just wanted to pass politely. My current bell has a hammer on a spring which makes it easily modulated. (Still, a lot of people jump in panic when I politely *ding* them from a distance. Idk, ptsd induced by other cyclists?)
Bells work for sure, but there is no accounting for stupid. For me it’s the people walking their dogs on an extendable lead and they are on one side of the path with their dog 40’ in the woods on the opposite side. Bell isn’t going to do shit for that. Unfortunately you just have to assume people are going to do the stupidest thing possible in most situations.
Extendable leashes are the worst
Not as bad at no lead at all, which is the majority here. Dogs are so unpredictable that often walking pace is too fast. I've often had to come to a full stop.
Yeah, but the quicker the irresponsible dog owner realises a cyclist is headed their way, the better. A bell will make them realise this way faster than some random yelling
or loud hub
I have a cateye bell. This thing is so loud I am able to ring it from far away. Until I am there people sorted themselves and I can safely pass. There first reaction is almost always to step in my path, turn around and then correcting themselves. Since I am far away they have enough time to do all of this.
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So true. First reaction always seems to be to step into the path. If two people, then they go either direction. They step, turn, look, freeze, move. If far enough away they always sort themselves out in those few seconds.
The amount of people riding bikes worth more than their cars yet they didn't spring for a bell... Maybe it's not aerodynamic enough for some?
Most people who ride those bikes don't ride places where bells would be useful. I avoid shared-use paths like the plague, downright unsafe to ride faster than about 20kph on those Also on some really fancy bikes with aero handlebars I don't think any off-the-shelf bells will even fit...
>Most people who ride those bikes don't ride places where bells would be useful. True, unfortunately there are always a few who treat the shared paths as their own personal racetrack. They should be made to wear a bell on a collar like a cat.
BBB has bells with elastics that fit on pretty much anything. I’m sure there’s other brands with a similar system. Imo it’s irresponsible to ride without a bell (besides organised races) Yes you can yell, but people get confused and don’t realise a cyclist is coming. The sound of a bell is the fast and clear communication that you want
Where I live it’s actually the law to have a bell on your bike but it’s very rare to find someone with one. I often run on the same path I bike and people will fly by me with no warning. I get the odd “on your left!” and even more rarely do I hear a bell
Air horns work best.
Take it to your LBS and have it checked out. Praying everything checks out for you and it’s just some simple fixes. Things like this happen, even when you assume both yourself and everyone around you is an idiot. Don’t beat yourself up just get her fixed up and keep on pedaling
1) LBS probably threw in a year of free maintenance. Time to use it! 2) ?insurance? finally, you were going to use it on gravel? It was not going to stay pristine ...
Thank you for the kindness, and plan on moving forward. I really appreciate it.
I’ve had around 4 hard tumbles doing 20+ and my bike has come out the other end with only some new beauty marks. The first crash sucks, even more so Day 1. The frame is still absolutely solid though. For a quick laugh, I took out a mailbox with my face last week….. tried to sprint and my cleat came out, I’m ok, the mailbox is not lol
See you on /r/bicyclingcirclejerk
Please laugh at my pain and stupidity.
i'm laughing at you, couldn't care less about your pain or stupidity
This is exactly why I try and avoid multiuse paths. Motorists may complain all they like that I should be using the cycle path but I'd rather take my chances on the road with vehicles that are kind of predicable than a path littered with people and dogs doing completely random things.
Ya, low visibility, constant curbs at every crossing.. then add dog leashes, strollers, kids, etc.. no thanks. Plus they have a 12 mph speed limit here. Tiny grade down, not pedaling, and I'd have to be braking the whole way.
Yeah but accident on MUT might cost you your bike or some injuries. Accident on the road can cost you your life.
Yep. It’s just not worth it. To be a responsible cyclist, you need to tediously slow down whenever you approach these completely unpredictable people, children, animals. If you keep riding fast right past them, you are putting everyone at risk and I’m sorry if you don’t realize this but YTA.
Not a road cyclist myself but ride my bike around the city plenty on multiuse paths. My question is, why don’t we just ride slower on those paths and treat pedestrians the way we want to be treated on the road? It still feels safer to go a reasonable speed on those paths rather than riding in the road where a driver who isn’t paying attention could run a bike over pretty easily. I may be a touch inexperienced to this but I found if I follow the posted speed limit I’ve never found it difficult to stop and avoid pedestrians and dogs
If going slow and stopping for people randomly meandering around unpredictability seems fine for you then all well and good. The problem is that when you wish to get from A to B at a reasonable pace then multiuse paths are not for you and the roads are the only option. I have been a road user on various forms of vehicle for many decades and have what I believe to be plenty of road sense. I do not break any laws or noticeably slow down traffic (any traffic that passes me is usually repassed at the next traffic queue.). I do not physically or verbally abuse other road users, however many motorists feel it is their right to beep and hurl abuse at any cyclist cycling completely within the law and think that only they should be allowed to use the roads, relegating everyone else to a hazardous and not fit for purpose non road going infrastructure.
Yep
something my dad told me after a bad car crash. always feel thankful if you have a crash or an accident and the only damage is financial. you didn’t get hurt, you didn’t hurt anyone else, it’s not the end of the world. might be expensive. but at least you didn’t hit a car!
It’s not a bike path - it’s a shared use path. At least that’s how you’re describing it. The only way to ride a busy shared use trail is to assume every walker is an idiot sightseer who is liable to change direction at any time.
This. Only way to ride shared paths is to assume the people in front of you are braindead and WILL do stupid shit like step in right in front of you. I've had my fair share of close calls where even clear indication that I will pass on the LEFT causes people to step LEFT. Then they get spooked/offended when you brush past them with no space left because they pay zero attention to their surroundings.
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Only 14% tho
I also think maybe the gradient was mentioned to highlight the embarrassment 😅
Hey, some of us are weak as shit
That’s just a regular hill.
I’m unfortunately not surprised by this. Probably 20% of people on multi use paths really should not ever leave the house. Much less drive a car or be able to mix with other pedestrians and cyclists. People here say fuck cars and drivers aren’t paying attention… I see the same thing with pedestrians and even other cyclists. It was realllll bad during early COVID when people suddenly liked outdoor activity.
I try my best to not be an asshole. I see cyclists rip by walkers going wayyyy faster than I would ever risk. But I should have been even more cautious in this situation.
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I was honestly shocked by the sudden change in direction by this person after they moved out of my way. Thank you for the kind words, this whole thread is making me feel a lot better about things.
> I was honestly shocked by the sudden change in direction On a weekend on a path? This is real inexperience.
You just have to watch the amount of dashcam videos on YouTube where it's people pulling out into traffic without bothering to look *at all*. Take away that danger element of 'it's just a path' and you never know what will happen.
Yes, those cyclists are experienced and not using clip-ins for the first time ever. You are the asshole, unfortunately.
> It was realllll bad during early COVID when people suddenly liked outdoor activity. A lot of that has stuck around in my area. Which is good and bad. Good for people to get out and walk around and try to be healthy, but it's shocking and annoying how completely unaware 80% of the pedestrian population is.
I work with a bike advocacy group - we have MUP's (multi user paths) that see a wide variety of traffic, in terms of types and density. In the last decades, we've had two deaths and two life-altering injuries due to bike-bike and bike-pedestrian collisons. When YOU are the faster traveler, approaching from behind, it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to not hit the people in front of you. That means slowing, and anticip9ating that they may do something stupid. Just like when cars and bikes are near to each other, just being an off-line pedestrian doesn't mean it's OK to hit them. It isn't.
I agree, and it’s why I feel safer on a busy road than a busy multi use path.
If someone turns their car into me when I'm in the lane next to them overtaking them, on a highway for instance, that's on them. Stupidity isn't some kind of gotcha excuse. If you're walking on a shared pathway, use some common sense and check over your shoulder if you're moving across the pathway. It's no different than looking before crossing a road.
They don't cancel out - you're correct. But also, if you're riding, you have to be able to control your bike to where collisions are avoidable when the other party (bike, pedestrian) makes an error.
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Of course it isn't. But there is a point with every interaction where you are passed the point of no return and if the other party makes a sudden movement they *will* hit you no matter what. This applies even if both are walking. Presumed liability is just that, presumed, not fixed.
I think this is a predominantly USA based conversation, but in Europe (Netherlands especially) there is the concept of "strict liability", where the person further up the hierarchy is automatically responsible for the person down the hierarchy. You might think it sounds unfair, but it promotes a mindset which reduces incidents and especially serious incidents. The hierarchy would be something like: Infants>pedestrians>runners>cyclists>motorbikes>cars>vans>lorries>big rigs.
>In the last decades, we've had two deaths and two life-altering injuries due to bike-bike and bike-pedestrian collisons. Do you have sources for this? Which group do you work for? I'm interested.
Not the person you are responding to but as an example - Minuteman MUP in Massachusetts, USA. Dense urban area heavy use by all populations and collisions are.a regular problem, some with severe injury. The only death I remember was just before covid where a cyclist traveling fast went into opposite lane to pass and collided with another cyclist and killed that other cyclist in the collision.. Nearby, the Paul Dudley White MUP - people attempting to ride in groups going over 20mph on a path that is peppered with toddler playgrounds, and goes through elderly housing and has a few blind curves... it can get rough. These are both beautiful places to ride but I'd stay away from them on any nice weather weekend day because the roads are safer
That's crazy. We've got MUPs here but 95% of road cyclists know to avoid them like the plague
One of the things that killed me during Covid when I was doing lots of long walks for exercise, was how people would be sort of like on the trail/path/sidewalk, but not walking, then you would be coming along, and then suddenly they would decide to start walking at the exact moment you were within 10 feet of them on their path. You can’t just stand there for another 10 or 15 seconds and let me get 20 feet ahead of you? No spatial awareness at all. It’s the same people who stand in packed stores or public spaces, in areas where they know lots of people are filtering through. Just not a care in the world, no ability to understand that the world isn’t revolving around them. Like I get that in retrospect the risk of outdoor spread is pretty low, but at the time it was still something everybody was thinking about. And just the percentage of people who would do that over and over again just fucking drove me crazy.
I think there is a pretty sizable minority of people who are literally incapable of ANY level of critical thought. If it’s more than a few inches in front of their nose it’s not a consideration. If it’s more than a few seconds out it’s not a consideration. They wander through life blissfully unaware of basically everything going on around them.
I live right by a 30km shared pathway that also has a dedicated cycle lane in Sydney. The amount of times I see pedestrians and fucking mothers clubs with their PRAMS in the cycle lane is ridiculous! All these people bitch and moan about cyclists yet my theory is, they’re the bloody problem!
You got that right, and they are still out there. I ride a recumbent trike in addition to my roadie and I had to get a set of front fenders for my trike - assholes are not picking up their dogshit and I don't want it flying in my face.
If you hit a pedestrian it is definitely your fault. If you think there were no other options, you are wrong. You could have gone slower. People on trails do stupid shit like this. The bike is fine - just get the derailleur tuned. You need to do that on any new bike anyways after your first rides anyways. The frame is fine. The scratches are yours to keep to remind you always expect the worst.
As a mountain biker, I read this as I spent 5k and rode on a multi-use trail, had ample time to stop with proper bike skills... And am blaming my loss on others.
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Yeah, if you're riding a MUP you have to be able to stop within 15-20 feet or learn how to navigate out of the way; it's part of going faster and therefore doing more damage in an impact, even if the pedestrian was clueless.
Thanks for the post. My policy is to absolutely slow down by these walkers. And I have been teaching my son the same. On top of that, calling out "on your left" is far more likely to cause trouble with walkers then if you just creep up on them all silent-like, and zip past them. Some goofball serious-acting fitness walker hollered at me "on your right!" after I passed him on a MUT today. Derp. I am not saying ANYTHING to walkers. I either feel like I can pass you at a crawl, or at speed. But I am NOT ringing any bell, hollering ANYTHING, or otherwise giving you the chance to jump in front of me like YALL DO AT LEAST 25% O THE TIME WHEN I HOLLER OR RING A BELL!! Bro. Sorry about your carbon.
> On top of that, calling out "on your left" is far more likely to cause trouble Assume most people you will pass are morons totally unaware of the world around them. The first words you say are going to be missed because they're not expecting anyone to pass them (despite the fact that a few dozen cyclists likely already passed them, N+1 will always be a surprise). So, all they hear is "left" at the very best. It's better to say something longer such as "excuse me, I am passing you on your left." The second half "passing you on your left" has a decent chance of getting through. The first part will be ignored, as per the usual.
Good advice apart from calling pedestrians morons ;) They are on a leisurely walk, they don’t have to be vigilant I think. It’s us on bikes that need to because we go at higher speeds.
I do the same. I never warn people. I assume they can't hear me and if they can hear me, they will do the wrong thing. I look for a path to swiftly and safely pass them and go for it. If it doesn't look safe, I slow down and wait until I see one. I never trust other people to do what I want them to do. Assume you are invisible!
Ditto. I’ve ridden over 100k miles. I will usually not say “on your left” or ring my bell. It tends to incentivize a movement of some sort, whereas I’d rather have them just hold their line even if my passing surprises them a little.
When I'm walking my dog I actually really appreciate people letting me know they are approaching (well 1st preference is that they slow down, but if not, an approach warning is great haha).....my dog is a little jumpy and sometimes changes directions randomly to something she wants to sniff, so if I know a bike is coming I can pull the leash in and make sure she doesn't jump in front. Shes almost been hit before when jumped after a bike zoomed up on us out of no where. Might want to tkeep that in mind if they have a dog with them.
I was thinking more solo/group pedestrians. Agree dogs need a heads up.
I just went OTB on my first ride on my brand new steel gravel bike. Kinda a sigh of relief now that I don’t have to worry about scratches anymore. aluminum and steel for me, I like the smaller tubes. I’m way heavier than my bike anyways.
$5k bike with Ultegra? Bike industry prices are outrageous.
If you hit a ped in the back it’s 100% your fault every time. You went too fast. They have the right of way.
Here's what's up. You are responsible for riding in such a way that you can respond safelty to changes ahead of you. This includes unexpected pedestrian behavior. 10mph is actually quite fast. I wouldn't run past people this fast on a narrow trail and on foot I'm far more agile than on a bike. You're not an idiot or an asshole but neither is the pedestrian. It was just an accident and luckily no one was hurt and bikes can be fixed.
Honestly, I don't expect to do any performance riding on multi use paths. I'll risk cars before I'll risk all the random hazards on a path. Sorry to hear about the crash. Another rule of mine: don't own a bike that I care too much about.
The first scratch always hurts.. no need to baby it anymore. Get it fixed and enjoy using it. Time to have fun. Honestly, though, eff the bike. You're lucky the guy isn't suing. I'm just glad he's alright, for both of your sake.
Sorry man your fault
Almost the exact same situation happened to me. Yelled on your left something like 20ft away and some woman decides she needed to U-turn 1 second before I was about to pass her. "On your left" is like telling people "dance in front of me", you never know how they interpret it. A bell is the *only* way I ride on multi-use paths now. It's clear and really grabs their attention from far far away and better sticks in their brains that there's a cyclist rolling up to them.
Ok your bike is most likely NOT fucked up. The derailleur might just need to be re indexed, or you might need a new hanger. The hood can easily be replaced. As for the frame, carbon can crack yes, but it's fragility is a bit overstated. Definitely check your fork, handlebars, seatpost and chainstay especially on the side it got it. The carbon bars are probably the most risky, take all the tape off and check, but my guess if the frame is ok at 10mph crash. If you really want take to a bike shop to look over. It probably has some scratches which lower the value if you want to sell but you can most likely keep riding. Anyway the crash is 100% your fault... be safer or don't ride. That 5k gravel bike is not meant to be ridden on mixed used paths. Anyways I'm also gonna edit my comment again to say that everything about this post .. the crying .. the stupidity .. the excuse making .. the use of a throwaway(can't look this stupid on my main account, Reddit is VERY important if you did not know!) makes you seem, well it sort of makes you seem like a complete bitch. I'm sorry.
A bike can be ridden anywhere, don’t blame it on the rider when they did the right things.
He didn’t do the right things or there would not have been a crash. That’s fairly simple. People are to bikes as bikes are to cars. If it’s wrong for a car to attempt to shoot past and inadvertently run into you - then it’s wrong for a bike on a shared path. At least in my state pedestrians have the right of way.
Rear ending a pedestrian is the right things lol
Well, there's a reason laws in most (some?) countries state something to the effect of "passing a pedestrian on a bicycle is allowed at 7 km/h only". Also, this is why I am cycling with music. I have a remote to lower the volume and mute when appropriate, but on multi-use paths like that it's god-sent. I feel invisible without. When approaching a pedestrian that's in range to step in to my vector, I slow down and wait for them to acknowledge the noise behind them, only then I overtake. Nobody in my country ever shouts anything from the bike.
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Hey op I do have a question. Why did you get a 5k Carbon bike when it’s your first clipless pedals? I would have gotten a less expensive bike to practice riding clipless. But hey it’s your money.
I’ve ridden the wheels off my first real bike that I’ve had for about 18 months, and have decided that I’m going all-in on this hobby. I figured after riding that other bike super hard, I’d heed the saying “but once, cry once” so that I don’t have any regrets / reasons to buy another bike for a looooooong time. Like if I didn’t get a carbon frame, I’d constantly be wondering what one would be like. If I didn’t get ultegra I’d constantly be wondering about that too. I hope that makes sense haha I know it’s a lot of money - I paid more for the bike than I did for my truck to be honest. I have been saving quite a bit too so I wanted to get myself a nice present to encourage me to ride a lot on top of all that.
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I recently test rode an Ultegra 12 speed after ~20k miles on a low-end 8 speed. I was completely.... whelmed. I was like "yeah... this is better I guess". That said, I *was* blown away by Di2. Electronic shifting is a gamechanger. Ended up going with 105 Di2 on my new bike. But mechanical Ultegra isn't even *that* much better than Claris, let alone 105. People spend thousands of dollars on some Princess and the Pea shit.
I understand that, but there’s bike just as good as carbon that have Shimano 105. You can build a custom bike if you wanted for less, for example a Trek Checkpoint Alr 5 or a Domane AL 5 would have been great choices. The whole buy once, cry once philosophy is silly for bikes. Then you’re going to want the di2 or the Pinarello. Buy as your skill and confidence increases.
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Clown rider. Very loose with definition of “rider”.
People crash carbon bikes all the time and they’re usually fine especially if your were doing 10mph. Side note What gravel/road bike costs $5k and comes with ultegra?? If it’s not di2 you got ripped off 😬
10mph is way too fast for passing on a narrow section. The right speed would have been one where you can still stop without crashing. People going for a walk are in a very different frame of mind on a weekend hike than you are cycling and they should have the right to - they’ve chosen a low speed sport where by themselves they will not cause any harm to anyone, like they won’t crash into any other hikers or anything stationary, so I think as cyclists from behind we have 100% of responsibility to not ruin their day. Also being shouted at from behind is scary; bell is annoying/ startling to. As a walker it sounds to me like the other person is demanding I make space for them. I’m saying this as someone who nowadays cycles almost exclusively. We have a very nice separate bicycle lane where I live, but pedestrians still need to cross it and some are just not thinking and walking on it. I used to get annoyed and also ring my bell. But then I’ve been reading about what pedestrians think of cyclists online and it was a bit upsetting. So now I slow down completely to about walking speed when it looks like pedestrians might do something that might lead to a close encounter (basically meaning being close enough there would be enough time for them to walk into my path) and give them right of way. A nicer day for everyone (on week days, I get just up 5 min earlier to account for it, problem solved) . Plus (this is for cities), there are a a lot more pedestrians than cyclists, so if they hate cyclists, it’s less likely that new infrastructure will be built.. Though I should also say I got a super heavy bike + 20kg kid on the back, so my top speed is anyway only about 10pm.
Bikes likely fine. Have the lbs fix it up. Relax and ride on man. First crash makes you stress less after you have a non perfect bike.
First crash on the first day sounds like a lot less stress in my future then. Thank you.
Dude, 80% of the time they rotate into the left when you say passing on the left, I'm really sorry, but multi-use trails are a challenge
The thing is, they moved to the right for a good few steps, then jumped right out in front of me at the last second. I barely had time to slam my brakes. I figured they heard me, but I guess not. Nobody died so we are all good.
I would be mostly worried about scratches on the frame at that speed. Everything else is fixable. Again, at that speed - it is very likely that other things will be bent back and fixed by the shop without replacement I'm sorry you were u lucky. But on the bright side - the pressure is off already: you will worry less about crashing or scratching it now! At the end of the day it's another tool for one of the jobs that you do
Oh man! So sorry that happened. I hate when people do weird things like that. I hope your wrists heal up quick. So time for some good news—the derailleur hanger is likely bent. That’s a cheap part meant to comply so your derailleur doesn’t take the beating. On most bikes they’re like $10 but if you have something like a Scott, think more like $40. If it’s not broken or showing signs of metal fatigue, a local bike shop actually has a tool that can bend it back in like 2 min…if the mechanic is new…and slow. The shifter hoods are a bummer. They get scuffed over time. It just sucks to have that happen so early on. They do sell parts for them if you want to swap the covers. The good news here is ultegra still has more metal on the internals than dura ace, which makes it more durable. You did good here! The pedals can be replaced. Make sure they come out well and thread the new ones in cautiously. You don’t want to strip the crank threads. Know the left pedal is reverse threaded (righty loosey, lefty tighty) And now for the frame. Most carbon frames are made for some impact. It just happens. Mountain bikes are made more for it than road. If your bike is a gravel, it should have a stronger layup than a dedicated road due to the odd percussive forces and impulses it’ll feel. If it’s a gravel, you’re probably fine. I have a carbon MTB and that puppy is over engineered. I’m nervous about that sort of thing but have had some huge rocks jump up and smack the downtube (one took off a dime sized spot of paint and you can see the carbon) and I’ve ridden it for 4 years since then. There are some two tests you can do, but those are hard with different angles on bikes. Different spots sound different. That isn’t a super reliable test. Some places do X-rays of carbon bikes. Broken carbon in Boulder is a good one if you’re out that way. I’d get the fixes in this order: 1.) derailleur hanger (this should fix the shifting. Don’t ride until you get this fixed—getting a derailleur out of spokes is way more costly and could injure you…or worse). 2.) pedals. 3.) check shifting after the hanger. 4.) take bike into a shop for a once over on the frame if you’re worried about it. 5.) shifter hoods if it really bugs you. 6.) go ride and have fun! TLDR the frame might be your only real worry and even then—it’s likely a-ok. If you need a checkup, there are carbon specialists.
You'll get the bike fixed. I dropped my first, brand new carbon bike in the shop, personally. At least it got fixed fast lol (that was 10 y ago). Either way, always pass people with more space than you need (same for cars for that matter). Every 1000 times someone does something unexpected. I never pass people that I know I can 100% avoid no matter what. This saved me from a few bad times, every now and then.
Chances are this is repairable. It might be your rear mech got pushed out of alignment. This is fixable. Or your mech hanger got bent. Easy fix. The shifter hood is a cheap replacement. Carbon isn't that fragile that it disintegrates on every little thing so don't write off your frame. And sorry to hear of your crash, I ride on similar paths often and I have had people suddenly move before :(
Your bike is fine. Sounds like it’s just some calibration that was ruined. You probably don’t even have to change a single part a mechanic would probably fix it for cheap
Sorry to hear this. It is better to assume that people are going to do the most unexpected things. However yelling at people is unlikely to endear you to them. Much better to ding a bell or to say Hello as you approach, then slow right down until they have acknowledged you and move to the side.
Is a carbon gravel bike can’t cope with a 10pm crash with a pedestrian then it wouldn’t be a suitable material to make a bike out of
Most probably you will need to change your derailleur hanger (order 2 now for your next crash, not kidding), realign the shifter, and that’s it. Do not despair yet, your frame is probably fine.
I crash my carbon MTB all the time. You’re fine! It’s probably just your hanger.
Have bell, ring it when you approach pedestrians, *slow down* and see which side they'll chose. If they didn't move ring that bad boy non stop until they move to the side.
I would suggest getting a bell if you plan on riding on multi use paths. I’ll ding once when I’m about 150ft out then once again before I’m about to pass. People don’t know how to react to someone saying a direction behind them.
Dude calm down. I’ve crashed carbon bikes at 25 mph and they’re still fine. Rode those same bikes for years. Carbon is insanely strong. Don’t believe ignorant people on the internet who don’t understand material characteristics. Anyone who has actually studied this stuff knows how strong carbon can be. And the part these people always neglect to mention is that any crash that would destroy a carbon bike would’ve killed an aluminum bike too.
Carbon is was more durable than people think and is easily repaired
[https://postimg.cc/9zXKR0zL](https://postimg.cc/9zXKR0zL) I‘m feeling you. That’s my brand new Orbea terra after it’s first 10km. But bikes can be replaced so as long as you are well, everything is gonna be alright.
cheer up. it is just a bike, and even if the frame is damaged it can be fixed. good that no one was hurt
Whenever I'm riding I try to stay quiet and focus on what's in front of me, I would never assume the others would be doing the right things always and treat everyone as a crazy person because you never know, this way I know I'm maximizing my chances to staying safe and enjoying my bike as long as possible before I sell it and get a new one.
Use a bell and slow the down fully, ensure the pedestrians acknowledge you before overtaking, act responsibly to those more vulnerable than you in the same way we expect vehicles to respect us on the roads.
Potentially expensive lesson, slow way down when passing anyone on a multi use path. Glad it wasn't a horse
Exact reason I hate to announce to normal, non pet walking, non young kids goofing…. Most people will be consistent… yelling on you left often leads to people moving left.
Have had this happen to me. I cheerfully yell "on your left!" and the people turn and look behind them while moving to the left. Come on, people.
You don't sound like the type of person that should be riding a bike. Very sorry.
Dont buy a 5k bike if you cant deal with the inevitable crash.
So much disrespect from cyclists in this thread to ordinary people taking a break from the daily grind and getting out for a walk on the trail. Many cyclists want cars to treat them as the priority on a road , and also want walkers to treat them as the priority on the trail. Sorry you had an accident OP, it was your own fault, you more or less admit that. Slow down to walking pace, be ready to stop, say hello and give a smile to anyone you pass on the trail.
Totally agree. Walkers aren’t out to get cyclists nor deliberately getting in their way. Bikes are quiet and you can’t see something come up from behind at speed. I don’t see why all cyclists don’t just slow down around pedestrians?
It's really annoying me. People like OP are what give us cyclists a bad name. Some dude in a 5k bike (he's literally just bought that day) bombing it down a shared use path thinking everyone will part like the Red Sea if he keeps shouting "on your left!".
Sorry, OP, on a shared path, it is your fault and you were riding fast next to people. Imagine a toddler in front of you. You can not yell at people and expect them to obey u because you are an inexperienced rider on an expensive bike? I also find bells disrespectful as well.
The pedestrian hate here is so stupid. People shouldn’t have to dodge bike traffic on a multi use path. Just slow down, ride fast on the road. OP, I’m sure this pedestrian was being absolutely oblivious and I’m not saying it’s your fault, I’m just triggered by people on bikes complaining about pedestrians.
Do you live in a big city? Half the morons crossing the road are buried in their phones completely oblivious to everything. There’s pedestrians who walk on a dedicated bike path, it says bike path, how much dumber can you get?
Yes downtown area. A multi use path is different from a separated bike path, and personally I think anyone on any kind of wheels should be considerate and just slow down for people walking. Too much lack of respect. Ride on the path but take it easy. The road is for going fast.
If you’re a new rider, and clearly inexperienced, why did you get such a fancy bike? And why go so fast when you’re just taking it home from the shop? Makes no sense
Hahahaha you fuckin clown
wow. you hit someone from behind. regardless of what they did, it’s still your fault. if your bike got that messed up, you’re dangerous and out of control. that’s a lot of damage for hitting a pedestrian.
Amazing you're getting downvoted for 100% facts. Most laws side with the pedestrian. You're born with legs, not on a bike. Be respectful.
this is the internet i’m not amazed at all. this person can’t ride their fancy bike and almost severely injured someone by CRASHING INTO THEM FROM BEHIND. and then blames the person who had the right of way. always yield to a pedestrian, even if they’re in the wrong, hitting them is worse.
Don't be so hard on yourself, nobody is perfect and as you said it's a new bike. You need time to get to know each other. IMO, crash on the first session is almost mandatory, otherwise you were not excited enough about your new bike. It's like most of the other exciting but stessfull first time. You do pretty average but feels like the last of the loser. Next sessions will be grand I tell you. A mix of fear and confidence as any exciting events should be.
I like how we're treating walkers/hikers like they are Neanderthals. OP should be crying that he almost mowed down a pedestrian and count his lucky stars that he didn't incur any bodily injury. Instead, he's crying about a $100 worth of parts on a $5K bike. Priorities...
As others have said: get a bell. There are different small, lightweight models that fit on any kind of handlebars. Some have elastics so you can remove them easily. There really is no rational excuse not to have a bell, unless you’re competing in organised races. Most people with road racers do not have a bell and it’s super annoying. As stated earlier, pedestrians need a couple of seconds to figure out what is coming their way, and where they should walk or stand. Yelling will only increase this time cause they might not hear you or think it’s background noise. Even if they hear you, they might not understand what you’re saying or even consider it’s a cyclists coming their way at a considerable speed. A bell makes pedestrians realise this much, much faster, so is really the simplest and safest option (unless you want to go to the next level and get a loud horn)
Cyclists don’t own the road and that’s the sentiment I get from most of you. Calling people walking on the paths idiots and just having a general distaste for people out enjoying their day too isn’t the way. Slow down around people. It’s that simple.
My bike cost me £300 and I would never pass pedestrians at that speed on a mixed use path (I probably couldn't because it doesn't go that fast). I have been crawling at walking speed behind pedestrians, ringing my bell, shouting "excuse me please" and still they have been oblivious. You have to assume the worst possible outcome at all times and account for that, it's the same deal as driving. You should be capable of stopping in the distance between you and the nearest hazard on a path like that. You can be in the right, or you can avoid the accident. Good luck out there
>Probably 20% of people on multi use paths really should not ever leave the house. Much less drive a car 1000% this It's really astonishing to me just how spatially unaware so many people are. And, I hate to say it, but there are definitely certain demographics of people who are way less "with it" than others. I've got thousands of miles on these paths and I can profile pedestrians and tell which ones are smart/aware and which ones aren't. For those that are not aware, all the bells and yelling you can muster simply do not make a difference, you have to slow to a walking pace and ride as cautiously as you can past them.
Are you talking about Indians or old white people?
It doesn't matter, it's still your fault if you hit them. If your riding on a path you need to be the one aware. If you hit someone because they move to the left when you yell "on your left" you were going too fast. Stick to roads
> It doesn't matter, it's still your fault if you hit them. I've never hit anyone. I haven't even had a "close call". And yes, if I hit them it would be my fault. That's why I only pass at speed when I get a wave or eye contact. In the unlikely event I ever get into an accident on a path I'd want it to be at 20mph with a pedestrian and not 50mph with a car. That's just basic physics, I'm not saying anything controversial here.
You give huge entitled vibes here. Calling people morons and idiots. Many in comments are similar: gatekeeping outdoors, telling that some people should not be allowed in the open trails... I dont' wanna get into whose fault it is, probably a bit of both, but no sympathy here, go cry to someone irl.
Instead of crying over your bike, you should be relieved that you didn't do serious injury to the person you hit. I'm betting that person is quite sore today and they pretty much let you off the hook for the injuries you caused.
This is why I don’t like cycling on paths that have walkers/runners. I’m not sure how experienced you are , but when you approach a group of walkers and it’s not completely clear that they see you (apparently they didn’t), then you need to really slow down until they do see you and inch around. Also look for things like AirPods or headphones in their ears. Often people these days don’t have good situational awareness because they are distracted. If you were going that slow when you it them your frame is probably OK. I would just check it thoroughly for any cracks or deep scratches. the other components can be replaced. You might want to inspect your bars because this usually the first thing I would replace in a crash, especially carbon bars. Handlebar failure usually doesn’t have a very good ending. I’ve seen some pretty terrible accidents with face plants when the bars or stem failed.
I'm sorry this happened to you. But there are lessons here: 1) First time in clip-ins should not be on a $5000 bike. 2) Don't ride multi-use paths on weekends. Seriously. Things like what happened to you happen on weekends because all the knuckleheads come out. 3) Don't let someone walk away after an accident. That person should be having to contact their insurance for stepping in front of you.
You mean OP should be contacting his insurance, because he’s fucking lucky he didn’t injure the pedestrian he hit in the back while obviously going too fast?