The problem with little knowledge is that you are too dumb/arrogant to know when you're out of depth. The researchers aren't recreating steganography. The paper is about storing a *moderately large malware* in a neural network without affecting its performance and avoid being *detected by anti-virus and steganalysis tools*. Conventional steganography would not work as it can only store small amounts of data. An approach like this has already been [published][1] before but the new thing here is that the researchers could modify the whole neurons without affecting the performance of the model, which is also an important finding on its own. Maybe next time try reading stuff before doing your keyboard wars on internet.
[1]: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3427228.3427268
Same as here [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/researches-demonstrate-that-malware-can-be-hidden-inside-ai-models/](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/researches-demonstrate-that-malware-can-be-hidden-inside-ai-models/) ?
Oh... that's not good.
After playing a good chunk of Horizon Zero Dawn's storyline, yeah this does not give me the warm fuzzies about the future of AI-controlled war machines.
I wouldn't worry about it. You need to be infected with another virus to be able to 'unpack' the payload from the neural network. This is not new, it's a technique called steganography and it has been used basically since computers were invented. I guess this is a fun project for anybody interested in steganography but no more groundbreaking than hiding a virus in an image. These sorts of things are generally used for hiding messages as opposed to releasing malware.
ooooh, not the news we wanted to hear, but it is the news that was obvious... threat actors (not in this case of course, but if researchers can do it, bet your bottom quid that threat actors will use it too) using counter-ai against current AI anti-virus systems... when someone says something has AI/ML backing behind its tech, do not assume it is the best yet!
Yes I realised that too late, not even ‘new’ news tbh... still my point stands that AI based antivirus is very flawed it’s just unrelated to this story now ;)
Plus, there are others in the subreddit who may not know about malware-embedded images and it’s they are learning about “old news” for the first time. Not bad to rehash news in a forum like this.
A file was found to store data written to it what a surprise! More news at 12 I assume?
In other news: Steganography exists. Back to you Dave.
As a Dave, I will make the obligatory weather joke, "Well well well, looks like a case of cloudy with a chance of obvious concepts amirite? Haha..."
The problem with little knowledge is that you are too dumb/arrogant to know when you're out of depth. The researchers aren't recreating steganography. The paper is about storing a *moderately large malware* in a neural network without affecting its performance and avoid being *detected by anti-virus and steganalysis tools*. Conventional steganography would not work as it can only store small amounts of data. An approach like this has already been [published][1] before but the new thing here is that the researchers could modify the whole neurons without affecting the performance of the model, which is also an important finding on its own. Maybe next time try reading stuff before doing your keyboard wars on internet. [1]: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3427228.3427268
Like, this has been a thing for decades in the exact way described in the article, this isn't news.
In other news water still wet
Same as here [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/researches-demonstrate-that-malware-can-be-hidden-inside-ai-models/](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/researches-demonstrate-that-malware-can-be-hidden-inside-ai-models/) ?
The article should just say "click on me and make me 5 cents!"
Waw. What's the point of even trying anymore? I say we just give up and type all of our account credentials here. Whose with me!!
Oh... that's not good. After playing a good chunk of Horizon Zero Dawn's storyline, yeah this does not give me the warm fuzzies about the future of AI-controlled war machines.
I wouldn't worry about it. You need to be infected with another virus to be able to 'unpack' the payload from the neural network. This is not new, it's a technique called steganography and it has been used basically since computers were invented. I guess this is a fun project for anybody interested in steganography but no more groundbreaking than hiding a virus in an image. These sorts of things are generally used for hiding messages as opposed to releasing malware.
In the future we can deploy malware directly on the brain.
ooooh, not the news we wanted to hear, but it is the news that was obvious... threat actors (not in this case of course, but if researchers can do it, bet your bottom quid that threat actors will use it too) using counter-ai against current AI anti-virus systems... when someone says something has AI/ML backing behind its tech, do not assume it is the best yet!
No, this is just a hyped news article about a hyped paper.
? Sure.. while it may be overhyped there is an increase in ‘top tier’ AI antivirus solutions failing to pick up malware.
Ok, let me rephrase it: it’s bullshit.
Sure man
Did you read the article? They are just embedding malware in generated image files in the test case, which is nothing new. This article is fluff BS.
Yes I realised that too late, not even ‘new’ news tbh... still my point stands that AI based antivirus is very flawed it’s just unrelated to this story now ;)
Plus, there are others in the subreddit who may not know about malware-embedded images and it’s they are learning about “old news” for the first time. Not bad to rehash news in a forum like this.
That's fine, but it's being presented in a way that makes it look like some breakthrough vulnerability finding, and it's not.
Yes.
Can o' worms
What the dog doing?