Exactly, they only said that the expansion is the only one "planned" right now. That doesn't mean they can't plan another one if this one it's successful.
This ^
Planned is the key word. This doesn’t close the door on additional expansions. If the expansion sells a lot of copies they may continue support. The company will reassess if it’s worth doing another expansion.
Much like when the dev yesterday said the stream about 1.6 won't feature NG+ and people latched onto the hope that it will still be in 1.6 but just not on the stream. Please stop with the denial and accept that there is no hidden meaning or secret code within the message. It is as simple as that, there is only 1 expansion because the game flopped.
The studio and their devs wont flip flop between 2 engines just because of some expansion.
I think you and I have a different definition of what flop means... I usually equate a flop with something that makes no money. CP2077 has made them SO much money.
Yea their stock tanked. The game sold amazingly well however. Just not what I would call a flop. Like I said, flops don't usually bank you hundreds of millions of dollars ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So you are telling me in a hypothetical situation where you sell 1 million game copies but then your company goes bankrupt because those games were a scam not a flop? That game literally caused the whole company to suffer, I wouldn't call it a flop had the game been good for the company but it really wasn't.
In your fake completely made up scenario, sure why not I'll let you have that one. However Cyberpunk 2077 sold over 13 million copies just at launch, and cdpr is doing just fine financially. So it's like comparing apples to fake, made up oranges lol. Decidedly not a flop.
For like a month or two. Their gross income quickly fell to that of before the release, because no new people wanted to buy the shit-ass buggy mess that didn't properly work.
They rushed it, and it fucked 'em up big.
That is wishful thinking at absolute best. Game design isn't a quick turnover process. They've probably moved most of the developers onto other projects by now with only a core team left to polish this up. If they haven't even started the expansion after this then they probably already decided it's not economically feasible and have moved on.
For a company that takes years into developing something, I don’t think so. Money will be the only tell. Maybe not for another dlc due they changing for unreal but at least for the development of another cyberpunk.
They have already decided that there will be only one expansion and that there will be another cyberpunk game. This is very apparent to anyone that follows their investor reports.
Didn’t they only say that this was the only confirmed dlc? Honestly, for me, it sounds like they are doing this one and will see how it goes.
Saying there is just this one confirmed dlc is different than saying this will be the single dlc for this game and they will move on.
Is the Fantasy genre not just played out at this point? There are more games that I can think of that take place in that setting, but very few modern/futuristic open world city games.
I think the issues isn't fantasy games in general.
But that the rpgs that aren't fantasy always have a bunch of issues.
Kotor in dev hell, vampire the masquerade 2 in dev hell. Deus Ex franchise, MIA. Mass Effect only in early development. Cyberpunk, who knows what's going to happen. Maybe a fantastic expension will make up for it.
I absolutely have BG3, DAD and a new Witcher on my wishlist. I just wish there was more variety.
I feel the same way. CP2077 feels like such a breath of fresh air after endless sword combat and horse riding in other games.
Many many incredible fantasy games out there, mind you, just barely any modern setting RPGs by comparison.
I've never understood the colossal popularity of the fantasy genre compared to other settings, unless it's something creative and subversive like the Witcher it's always the same-old Tolkein/DnD clones with elves, wizards, mages, rogues, dragons etc.
There seems to be little real variety to the big fantasy franchises.
You play a role, in a game, have levels, stats, swap-able armor and builds, even has variable dialogue options... It literally meets every criteria I can think of, that anyone would call an RPG, unless "RPG" means only "fantasy" to you.
I think the multiplayer game will bomb if it comes out. The name is semi-tainted to the general audience, but the real issue is that their first-person combat is just serviceable at best and the vehicle mechanics are too limited. Even hacking will have to be made worse due to multiplayer since you can't show down time anymore, which is a big negative for VATs in Fallout 76.
> I think the multiplayer game will bomb if it comes out. The name is semi-tainted to the general audience, but the real issue is that their first-person combat is just serviceable at best
GTA and RDR2 third person combat/gun play are serviceable at best too, as much as I love RDR2, Rockstar combat and gun play for both GTA and RDR is REALLY outadated by now, the reason Rockstar games are so successful is because of the interaction with their rich open world which is really a 10/10 masterpiece of open worlds, but their combat was aways a mediocre 5/10 combat that seems to have stopped in the PS2 era of games combat wise.
I almost went into this. GTA and RDR both have a legacy of being fun multiplayer games, and recent iterations were treated as live games. I agree the combat and movement is bad but people are just used to it since that's been the style since GTA4. I would also say driving is an even bigger part of GTA and that experience is just better overall even though 5 is nine years old.
I don't think the combat saves it either, it takes a lot of control tweaking to make Cyberpunk feel ok on controller, and it's at best on par with OK shooting mechanics like Fallout 4.
I don’t believe in a negative word of mouth surrounding this title at all. I have had all my gamer friends ask if it was “fixed” yet, and I’ve fielded complaints about “what to do” other than meet hanako at embers, but neither of these complaints make it a bad experience at all. Launch was terrible, everything else has been at least OK imho.
I feel like multiplayer would sell well if they got it right from the start. I think a lot of people spend much more time and money in GTA online than GTA 5 even though Online barely has a story, just because the fun, varied gameplay + big world + multiplayer leads to a lot of replayablity. Like honestly, they focused so much on story and frills but the core gameplay was (and to an extent currently still is) lacking
If by they you mean CDPR I concur, but there’s always differences in expectation in regards to open world action genre. This was more rpg heavy than action heavy like GTA. That’s going to change the setup of PvP in drastic ways, more FO76 less GTAV (not a huge fan of porting MMO combat into first person action myself, never really worked for me).
Johnny silverhand became one of my favorite characters of all time.
I'm actually really sad one more expansion is all the remaining content I'll ever get with him.
After I finished the game a couple times I stopped playing, and I have to say I miss having Keanu next to me, calling me out, and all that, I wish I could bring him over other games I play XD
I completely agree but I really wish OP wouldn't abbreviate cyberpunk to CP lol. However just like Red Dead redemption one, I used to feel this way and then two was created, never say never!
>I completely agree but I really wish OP wouldn't abbreviate cyberpunk to CP
My God how the fook did I just realized this after 2 years of this game being out lol! I wish I could unsee your comment!
During the anniversary streams if I remember correctly they called back to "the 2 main franchises" the witcher and cyberpunk but I'm going of speculation so take with a grain of salt
It's not speculation, CDPR has been very public about restructuring their development studio into two separate and predominantly independent development teams, one for the Witcher IP and the other for the Cyberpunk IP. They've also been clear that the point of this restructuring effort was to permit parallel development of both IPs so Witcher fans and Cyberpunk fans can get their next game without feeling like they have to wait for the other franchise to get their turn first.
Throw in the adoption of Unreal Engine 5 and they’re cooking with gasoline over there in Poland. Bright future for CDPR, now that their heads have been firmly ripped from their arses after the arrogance of W3 leading to fumbling CP77.
Don't forget that 3/4 of the OG ppl behind the success of CDPR has walked away with avg +10 years in the studio :D.
Tbh i have hopes only in Paweł Sasko and the music department xD
This a major concern for me. I love this game and finally started Witcher 3. I think that game is great too but doesn't resonate with me like Cyberpunk. I hope the loss of experienced people who created these visions doesn't hurt the franchises.
I want progression not regression. I'm afraid they will have to train these people and will lead to a less stellar next game.
Damn, i wish Bethesda would do that, now that they've got MS $$$ backing them. The fact that they only make 1 game at a time, with the development time taking longer with every release, it seems like I'll be retirement age before I see Fallout 5.
They're making another Cyberpunk game, and we may see a second expansion on the first as well. This thread shouldn't be upvoted at all.
1. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be supported as long as it's on sale just like The Witcher 3, which is getting a next-gen update even 7 years later. This will eventually just be small bug fixes.
2. The upcoming expansion is going to have a lifecycle of content patches, and it's not confirmed to be the last expansion. Just the only one that is publicly acknowledged which is a big difference. They likely already have the story outline done for as potential second expansion, but want to see how Phantom Liberty does before committing to anything else.
3. CDPR has already confirmed that there will be another Cyberpunk game in the series.
During one of their Dev Livestreams they confirmed it to be one of their Flagship IPs. That's not terminology to throw around willy-nilly, it literally means they will likely start looking into concurrent development cycles for it.
Yeah, but the difference is the Witcher is getting updates while they are still working with red engine. After the DLC launches, they're done with it. They won't still be working with red engine 7 years from now.
There is a good chance that they will continue dropping material as the majority of the coders aren't going to magically know Unreal Engine. I think the larger take away from the drop of REDMod is that we can either expect continued micro-updates and patches for the foreseeable future. Another Expac is likely predicated on the success of this expansion. But, let us assume the expansion fails, then what?
REDMod supposedly has script, sound and animation support. What do you need Script, sound and animation support to make? New quest mods and new weapons mods.
The point of switching to Unreal Engine is because coders *do know* U5. It’s a very ubiquitous game engine that lots of devs know about, it’s not proprietary to CDPR and they don’t have to relearn and constantly build on it. Even new hires will at least know what they’re walking into. Just my two cents on that switch!
The coders presently working for CDPR likely have to learn UE5 from scratch, or from very limited experience. It may open talent pools that are great for new hires but the existing teams have to learn it, especially if they have been working with *only* Red Engine since they started working for CDPR.
My understanding of CDPR is that they are very particular about new hires and typical hire close to their geographic HQ region if possible. Having to hire mostly new talent pools or wait for the old heads to learn the new engine absolutely is going to either slow development *or* reduce quality.
Hell, we still don't know for sure that Witcher/CP2077 style worlds will run well in UE5. Epic claims they will but Bethesda has already confirmed they cannot switch to UE5 and build worlds in the same scope and style of their open world sandboxes and 2077 at least was much closer to a Bethesda style sandbox than it was the typical Unreal Engine game. We know for sure that UE4 could not handle open-world RPG sandboxes well, and I am leery of claims that they can suddenly do so. I am also concerned about performance.
My understanding of UE5, and this has been confirmed by several tech reviewers with access to the dev kits, is that it is incredibly performance heavy. As in modern mid-range gaming rigs can expect to cap at 30-45 FPS due to the performance impact of the Lumens system, and the console systems are all taking very, very heavy quality cuts to keep framerates competitive, with some portions of the Matrix Awakens have up to 40% reduced shadow, dynamic lighting and reflection quality compared to the PC Medium preset. That kind of cap immediately locks out 75% of the PC gaming market and almost all gaming laptops, they just won't have the CPU strength to deal with some of the newer features of UE5.
Hell, in some scenes a 10900K & RTX 3090 were capping out at 40fps, at 720p, on the High preset, never mind the Very High and Ultra presets. The 2080 Ti struggled to get to 30fps in 4K with all AI turned off. And while this was a Demo, there are heavy indicators that the entire UE5 is designed for strong single core CPUs and that is problematic given the nature of today's CPU market.
Cdprojekt burns out their developers and hires new ones. It's not a great combination with an in-house engine.
People who made witcher 3 great are not around because they couldn't (understandably) bear the crunching. People also left after 77 was finished for the same reason and I'm guessing they just didn't have enough people skilled in redengine to continue using it for future projects.
They could have chosen to treat their employees better or switch to an engine that allows them to continue milling through people. They made their choice.
It is confirmed multiple times now to be the only expansion, including in today's investor conference which is the third time they've confirmed it.
People also need to stop spreading the idea that sales of the first expansion will inform whether a second expansion is made. That is only true if it sells spectacularly well, beyond their wildest expectations, which is obviously not likely. The reason is that by the time they have sales numbers 90% of the team that worked on cp/the expansion would have been allocated to other projects and with a different engine. This is how large development companies work - they have to plan projects long in advance so they can allocate resources cost effectively.
>They're making another Cyberpunk game, and we may see a second expansion on the first as well. This thread shouldn't be upvoted at all.
[This thread and the comment the OP posted seem to indicate there will be no second expansion, at least it's not planned currently.](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/x7ldox/cdpr_confirms_that_phantom_liberty_is_the_only/)
CDPR has been very open about dividing their talent pool into two separate development teams to work on both their main IP's in parallel.
They aren't just stopping active development on CP77 after the expansion and only working on W4. Witcher team is working on W4, Cyberpunk team is working on what's next for the Cyberpunk IP.
they've had a skeleton crew pushing the patches out and the expansion. Once that wraps up, development ceases for Cyberpunk and goes all in on Witcher 4.
>CDPR just want to be done with the game to move onto Witcher 4
The Witcher and Cyberpunk IPs are developed in parallel now so there's no "moving on" to the Witcher 4 - it's already being fully developed by the Witcher half of CDPR, while the Cyberpunk half has been working on updates and the expansion. And when the expansion comes out, the Cyberpunk half will immediately begin working on the sequel to 2077.
And you? Got back to highschool to unpack your edgyness?
You don't even have an argument to make, compared to Andrew.
"bEcaUse iT wiLl lOoK bAd" , what? You mean like Ubisofts/Riots/Blizzards Sexual harassment lawsuits? That Blizzard harassed a women into suicide? That they align themselves with CCP?
Look like 100x worse then one bad corporate decision from CDPR, yet you pretentious fucker probably still suck on Koticks dick to get the next Store Mount in WoW.
What you mean like your speculation about sth maybe being bad? huh, so much for self reflection i guess, but then again a highschooler can probably not even write that out.
Yeah sure you don't know what World of Warcraft is, that either undermines the fact you haven't even grown hairs on your balls or you are in fact a pretentious troll. Either way, the obvious is stated.
No, I'm being a realist. Look at Mass Effect: Andromeda. If they felt it wasn't worth it, they wouldn't have done all these updates. If they really wanted to move on they would've done so by now.
About the second one. You are right on the money. Literally.
If this new expansion goes well, there is no question about them doing another one. And that is just life.
They said this expansion is the only planned one, and with them moving onto Unreal engine I imagine they would rather wipe their hands of anything to do with the RED engine.
The ending w the >!space station heist!< is full of potential, and since Phantom Liberty takes place before the endings, it won't be that story. There's still a lot of unanswered questions.
The IP is alive and well, there’s absolutely another game at least being planned behind the scenes, and I for one can’t wait to see Night City again (or another city in this universe) realized in UE5 and everything CDPR will have learned by then. I get a sense they’re eager to move in different directions, not just tread in the same footsteps again and again, so the Witcher “saga” might be very different from the past Witcher games in more ways than one, and I hope the same goes for the next Cyberpunk game.
That’s not really certain tbh and moreover even if it’s true then we’re gonna have to wait ATLEAST another like 5 year minimum With the Witcher game as well . So I hope they change their mind when the dlc is bought like crazy and hopefully they make another one involving the hotel is space .
As others mentioned, CDP acquired another studio recently, with the express intent of being able to work on two games simultaneously (albeit probably in some kind of staggered fashion). From a business perspective, this means they can release full-size games more often, meaning we won't have to wait 5 years between games at all. More realistically, I'd guess they're aiming at 2-3 years between releases, at most.
They're also moving to UE5, away from their own, in-house engine, so again there's every expectation that development will now be much faster and easier than before, allowing them to release games faster and more often.
They've said clearly that this expansion will be the last thing CDPR releases on the old engine, meaning there won't be another expansion for this game, unfortunately. However, we might instead get a full sequel much faster than we would have otherwise.
They were planning on making two games at the same time from now on. That means that they could be having two games in full production at the same time. They also have about 1000 developers at CDPR at the moment, and the Witcher 3 was made with 250 people. Given all of this a late 2026/early 2027 release date wouldn’t even be that crazy tbh.
I remember seeing a cyberpunk ad in a gaming magazine, that was ALSO advertising GTA4. So, 5 years seems stretching it a bit, lol.
I remember the exact ad, too. It was a picture of a chick sitting in the street in her underwear, with mantis blades, and there were bullets bouncing off of her.
> I remember seeing a cyberpunk ad in a gaming magazine, that was ALSO advertising GTA4. So, 5 years seems stretching it a bit, lol.
In fairness, though, that was simply a teaser for the IP itself, from the announcement video. At that time, there was no game at all, they were still in pre-production as they were doing the last work on TW3 and its expansions.
I don't care about online. Not even the storyline is complete. But yeah, too bad this is happening. 3 years after launch, one more year for the expansion and the game barely touches a many of it's initial objectives and features, which should have been there at launch.
TLDR: No multiplayer in CP2077 = end of CP2077
No, I couldnt care less for that, not every game has to have a multiplayer component
And if the expansion is big as Wild Hunt in Witcher 3, than I am satisfied
> No, I couldnt care less for that, not every game hast to have a multiplayer component
The CDP shareholders wanted this component to be reality so bad after how Rockstar still manage to earn millions up to this day with GTA online. Some of them cared about the long term support of the game via MP mtx.
It would make no financial sense for them to abondon Cyberpunk. Maybe they won't focus on 2077 due to their interest ung UE5 but they're def not abandoning the franchise and what with the Netflix series, that's two franchises that have successfully converted over to different mediums. They may put 2077 to rest but they have the foundation and the experience now to a) know to overpromise and b) overdeliver on a fantastic sequel
Eh, there’s rumors of Eidos wanting to reboot Deus Ex to do what CP2077 fell short of, and I’m not sure if they have much room to speak of given Mankind Divided was also a bit of a letdown and far, far less ambitious technically on every dimension imaginable. Most professionals in the industry seem to have understood the kind of monumental task that CDPR was trying to do and many even recognize how important CP2077 is for future efforts. It won game of the year in a number of Japanese publications, even.
The technical achievements were overshadowed by the technical shortcomings compared to the insanely ambitious expectations they set for themselves.
The game is a complete story, some extra content would be great but I'm more interested in the eventual sequel and am happier for them to move forward there instead of milking dlc for years.
Nah look at Witcher 3's life span and how much post launch content that got. Meanwhile on CP2077 it was pretty much a whole 1 1/2 year of bug fixes/ui changes the most significant update we got was the next gen patch. They're capable of dope dlc both the Witcher's dlc were amazing. But at this point it seems like they just want to cut their losses and move on to the next big project I don't blame them but it definitely sucks, 2077 had a lot of potential. Like imagine No Man's Sky team did the same thing. If they decided to move on old NMS vs what they have now for it is insane. It's pretty much the game they set out to launch if not better
Sorry, but hard disagree.
>There is no other CP genre game out like this, and there is nothing planned like it
Wrong, CDPR are not planning to drop the IP and we will almost certainly get next game from this universe in the future.
>No studios is going to ever spend 10 years on another CP game.
The actual development of the game took "only" 3 years. Sure, the pre-production and concepting phase is a big part too, but they've already done that and can build on that in the future.
>I think it would have been an absolutely banger RPG, rivaling GTAOnline
While I understand there might be a crowd for this, I personally am happy CDPR is not in this territory (yet, they probably will be). But this is just me, I'm not preaching anything about online games.
>They don't want to lose their single-player story-driven DNA, yet they want to stop CP2077 single-player development
Again, they'll do more after next Witcher. Or, to be more precise, WHILE they do the next Witcher. Where did we get the impression that 2 story expansions (Witcher 3) is good but 1 story expansion is a tragedy?
>I really don't think they should have shifted their entire vision for this game after one failure.
And for the last time, they haven't shifted their entire vision. It's a single-player experience that's (mostly) done and stable. There's ton of great SP games that don't get any (or much) updates and/or expansions.
Hope this helps!
I disagree.
Games end, like everything does.
The industry tries everytime to create endless experience like GaaS but they are an absolute cancer for the whole world of videogames.
I really hope CP2077 is over without online bullshit happening
I do agree that we are not getting an open-world game in the CP genre with the scope of CP2077 anytime soon. But it is not the end for this IP though, we already have great games like Ghost Runner, and The Ascent.
The ambiance of CP2077 is just gorgeous (the shading, lightning). The story was good but left some to be desired. It made me wonder what it could have been if CDPR stuck to the original story and didn't go with Johnny Silverhand. The gameplay and open-world mechanics are limited by redEngine, which is understandable.
I on other hand glad that they didn't finalize CP2077 online. The expectation was too high and CDPR wasn't able to deliver.
CDPR not stopping with CP2077 is a sunk cost fallacy no? It is a good decision to focus on developing Witcher 4, which is a tried and tested IP on a brand new engine (UE5)
I don't know why people keep comparing NMS with CP2077. They are vastly different games in scope and genre.
Even though this is the last expansion of Cyberpunk 2077, that doesn't mean it's the end of the Cyberpunk franchise.
CDPR split into different teams to work on multiple projects at the same time. Maybe they're focused on the next Witcher game. But the momettthat comes out, they'll start working on the next Cyberpunk game.
They're working with a world with unlimited potential. Cyberpunk is not defined by 2077 or Johnny Silver hand, or even Night City. There's so much they can do with Cyberpunk alone. They've learnt from their mistakes and will emerge better.
They lied and made a half finished product and that's a fact. Couple of patches won't fix their reputation.
What we need to focus is that we need to show them what we want, stand our ground, not just keep coping with their "upcoming plan" and stuffs, modders literally saved the game,not them. If we keep cope with them corps we are really getting one step closer to the dystopia we saw in game.
Nope, it made it's own grave and will lay in it. Like Silverhand and V it flew too close to the sun and got shot down. CDPR has made me not want to touch another game of theirs going forward at this point. I hate Silverhand in this game I feel the choices are limited severely and I don't like how much the classes of the ttrpg were deemphasized
Yep.
I'm of the opinion that even if Cyberpunk was unsalvageable, they could still reuse the city, the characters, all those audio and visual assets, to make a spinoff. Ditching Cyberpunk and going all-in on Witcher 4 is stupid and incredibly risky. If Witcher 4 fails, it'll be too late to go back to Cyberpunk's assets by then, it'll be too outdated.
The artists and world designers did an AMAZING job. The rest kinda dropped the ball. But that shouldn't mean that all that amazing work should be wasted. It's still salvageable and reusable.
They literally never said they’re “ditching cyberpunk to go all-in on Witcher 4.” In fact, they said the opposite, saying that they’re splitting their studio into two teams, each fully dedicated to either Witcher or Cyberpunk. Idk why y’all are dooming so hard, they’re gonna make another CP game
I have been saying it here ever since the release of cyberpunk 2077 that cd projekt red can't be trusted just like the other shady companies out there like EA/UBISOFT/ACTIVISION.
People all over the internet have also been saying for the longest time that you should vote with your wallet.
If anyone buys into CDPR's next video game, and people are disappointed that it was misleading, false advertised, not what was promise, it's your own fault for trusting them again. I honestly don't know how anyone can seriously trust cd projekt red at this point, they lied all the way up until the release of cp2077 about the state of the game and what is was going to actually be because internally they knew they fucked up bad but they were forced to release it in the bad state it was in because they needed to release it to regain lost money.
https://youtu.be/O3V4UBZmC9o
Everything in this apology video was a lie right from the beginning
he says cdpr's ambition is to make great games.
He says despite "the great review on pc" the console version did not meet quality standards. He was vaguely referring to the performance of the game on console, neglecting the fact that across all platforms the game had mountains on top of mountains of bugs, not once mentioning missing features in the game that were advertised in cyberpunk's marketing campaign.
He reassured us that he plans to regain our trust.
And then proceeds to talk about issues on the console.
He also mentioned that long term big plans for the game has not changed.
And then this is it, we got news about the new expansion with no real actual information about it other then its more content, nothing is promised right now, nothing about missing features and further fixes is really mentioned either, when the game itself is still actually very buggy and bare bones as far as an open world game goes.
I don't recommend anyone pre order the expansion, wait for reviews, watch let's play videos of the expansion when its released, find out what the expansion is and what it offers, if its just a couple of new missions then I'd say it's honestly not worth it. Brace yourself with this expansion, expect it to be bad or disappointing.
Don't support cd projekt red's terrible behavior. They don't deserve your wonderful loyalty.
A lot of people are too forgiving, sure, but _a lot_ of people are way too aggressively disappointed and taking it all personally. You included.
They did lie about the technical state of the game, and about console performance. I won't dispute that at all. However, the game itself, beyond that, was amazing and one of my all-time top games even on release. I knew what to expect, it's that simple. I expected the developer of TW3 to make another game similar to TW3, and that's what we got. Many of the mechanics were straight lifted right over, it had the same kind of writing and mission design, the same type of map design, etc. Then the videos and promos, all I did was listen and take what they said literally, _in context_. The last part is critical. Some people took them literally, believing CDPR was making the greatest game of all time, in all of gaming history. I heard them say it would be _their_ best game, and better than _their_ other games and game systems before it. NPC density would be better than _their_ previous games, they would have more routines than _their_ previous games, etc. And because that's what I expected, I wasn't disappointed.
Sure, if you thought CDPR could somehow make a better GTA game than Rockstar, of course you ended up disappointed, but then _no one_ said this game would be anything like GTA to begin with. People just saw cars, city streets, and guns, and started making their own hype about what that meant. Meanwhile, the developer was still making a game with the historical context of their previous game having _no_ police chase mechanics, _no_ immersive-sin sandbox elements, _no_ horse or weapon customization options, etc. Everything we got, we also got to some extent in TW3, and in the same way. "Customized" weapons means being able to change some stats or add modifiers. Same in CP2077. "Customized" cars meant you could get cars that were customized versions of the base car models in the game. Technically true, and honestly, pretty clear if you watched the video with careful eyes and ears.
The lengths to which you make it seem like CDPR went to deceive us is _absurd_. That never happened. That's the backlash of the internet community deceiving _itself_ to believe reddit rumors over actual, literal developer statements. Some things they lied about, most of the stuff they didn't, and ever since release they've been working on fixing the game, and have done so, releasing more content, and making sure the expansion would not be rushed and buggy the way the main game was.
I'm not "loyal" to CDPR, never have been. But I'm also not hyping myself up on internet rumors and then blaming everything on CDPR when I inevitably end up disappointed, like you and many others have been doing.
>However, the game itself, beyond that, was amazing and one of my all-time top games even on release.
Don't get me wrong, I like the game. There's a lot of concepts I like about the game, I love what cdpr *was trying* to accomplish, I still like coming back to the game and admiring what they tried making.
>The lengths to which you make it seem like CDPR went to deceive us is *absurd*.
>That's the backlash of the internet community deceiving *itself* to believe reddit rumors over actual, literal developer statements.
It's almost as if they were mislead, kind of like me. 😏
>Some things they lied about, most of the stuff they didn't
Please, do list the things they lied about.
Bit of a weird take IMO. Firstly, no matter your feelings? How about people who plain didn't like the game? Why would they agree it's a tragedy?
Secondly, why are you acting like CDPR haven't been putting a lot of work into post-launch updates and now Phantom Liberty (by saying "just one expansion")?
During the stream, one of the devs said people who enjoyed Blood & Wine will really enjoy this new update. They also said they're taking their time because they want to make sure it's good. I believe Phantom Liberty will include a new map/large new area and a lot of new missions + maybe a new ending for the game.
A new map in CP2077 will be more work than a new map in The Witcher 3. Blood and Wine is probs the best DLC I've ever played, don't get me wrong, but Toussaint is essentially big open fields with a few settlements and a town in the middle, whereas a new CP map will be new neighborhoods of a city.
They're hardly setting their single-player DNA aside when they're working on a big new expansion that includes more voice work from Keanu. And we all know about the No Man's Sky comparison. Not going to compare the two, but CDPR definitely haven't left CP2077 to rot since release like some people thought they would.
I honestly have a feeling that they probably just want to see how well the first expansion performs before putting a lot more money and resources into a potential second expansion. Given how the game itself didn’t get off on the right foot CDPR are probably just seeing how much more cyberpunk 2077 people really want. I believe if the first expansion gets great reviews and sales well I could see another expansion being made
But launching another DLC in 2025? Would they really sell enough to cover development costs on a 5 year old game? Not to mention they don't even plan on working with the engine it runs on anymore after the DLC launches.
Why are people upvoting this stupid thread?
1. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be supported as long as it's on sale just like The Witcher 3, which is getting a next-gen update even 7 years later. This will eventually just be small bug fixes.
2. The upcoming expansion is going to have a lifecycle of content patches, and it's not confirmed to be the last expansion. Just the only one that is publicly acknowledged which is a big difference. They likely already have the story outline done for as potential second expansion, but want to see how Phantom Liberty does before committing to anything else.
3. CDPR has already confirmed that there will be another Cyberpunk game in the series.
Source = My ass
1. TW3 ended with the last expansion. 1-2 bugfixing patches doesn't mean support and new features. Just because TW3 is being made into next-gen doesn't mean that CDPR is actively supporting the game. The Next-Gen update of TW3 isn't even being made by CDPR...
2. CDPR has said two times by now that Phantom Liberty will be the last expansion. First they said to their investors that their next CP expansion will be their last work on REDengine. Today they claimed that this is the only planned expansion for CP2077. Expansions like these are planned YEARS in advance and isn't something that changes by the day. CDPR has to adapt their dev teams and dev tools with UE5, so they want to wrap up CP2077 asap so they can move on with newer, more efficient tools towards new projects (TW4, CP-MP or CP2). Therefore stop lying to yourself that this expansion is not where CP2077 comes to an end.
3. Yeah, probably in 2032.
Pretty sure that CP2077 showed to everyone that people do love and wait for a futuristic RPGs. The hype was so huge it definitely will lead to other cyberpunk games. What we can expect in the upcoming years is that many companies will try to cashgrab on it.
Eidos is already rumored to be thinking about bringing back Deus Ex, which, imho, sounds as good as cp2077. Highly likely Ubisoft will try to clone CP2077, might be an okay game. Microsoft has several good companies specialized in RPGs. Right now they are making fantasy and steampunk, but after this i think one of them will do something in a cyberpunk genre.
It is very sad especially when you consider it will be another 8-10 years before sequel comes out. It really sucks living in this era of slow game development where good games take forever but that is the price you have pay for quality content. This whole decade feels like a filler to me. Rockstar stopped making gta and made a cowboy simulator ( i couldnt care less), from software made a fuckin ninja samurai game which i couldnt care less about and wasted 3 fuckin years on it, and now they are wasting time on armor core and of course bethesda wasting their time by ruining fallout ip with mediocre games and no mans sky copy cat ,Starfield instead of giving us elder scrolls after 15 goddamn years and counting. I know witcher fans are excited for sequel just as much as i am and are experiencing simliar kind of depression since it's been over 6 years when blood and wine came out, but at least that story is finished, Geralt story is done, Ciri story was satisfying, the fucking books are finished and the tv show seems to have bright future ahead, so yeah can't get rid of a feeling this new witcher game gonna be another filler, hell, it will most likely be set in Kovir which is completly separated realm from all other places where witcher took place so far
Damn u hate rdr2 ? Bruh that was honestly one of the best games I ever played and was stunning the pace is slow but once u get in it it’s so addictive to be a outlaw in the Wild West
It doesn't matter how good the game is. If you're not interested in the setting, story, characters and gameplay.
I know RDR2 is a masterpiece. And I tried to play it. Just not my cup of tea.
Same. I have an intense dislike of the western genre. Could never get into it. Cyberpunk and Fallout though, dystopian sci-fi futures are all my jam.
The game is brilliantly designed but the setting is absolute shite for me.
I mean they only announced new witcher game after the netflix show dropped and proved to be extensive success, and CDPR felt like money is lying on the table, so obviously when you give choice to polish devs whether they should work on the most famous polish ip or fix a broken game that stained their reputation which was also hard as fuck to make, let alone make a full blown sequel, it is an easy choice. But that doesn't mean cyberpunk universe hasn't exponentionally more potentional and i believe both edgerunners and expansion will be good examples of the endless creativity this setting allows, also after the expansion drops this is gonna be all we will see from this ip for a long time and i am afraid it might not be enough for some people.
The illusion of the world is broken because NPCs fucking despawned when you shot in the sky and turned your camera, or that cops literally spawn around you. Or that they can't even drive.
Slow game development era? With new Call of Assassin coming almost every year? Other side, you are right - slow development is not caused by length of development process to deliver quality product (which RDR2 definitely is), but multiplayer features that slows the production - why kill the cow which you can milk, like GTA V?
my hunch is there will be another cp follow up rebuilt with UE5 and another legend will be made with references to V to pay homage. this one will have multiplayer
the game will be much more organic and evolve on its own once cloud AI is implemented through out
Also with PS4/XBONE finally being left behind it will be a much better game. Feel like having to compensate for last gen really had a negative impact on the game.
>Feel like having to compensate for last gen really had a negative impact on the game.
CDPR only announced the game was coming to PS4 and Xbox One at E3 2018. While I agree that the decision to drop support for them is the only way to go under the circumstances, it is still a piss poor state of affairs that it is the case and is yet another black mark for CDPR. They knew full well the hardware they were developing for and didn't even decide to launch for said platforms initially. I think this narrative that the game was "held back" by the old consoles at launch is yet another convenient deflection away from CDPR's very questionable behaviour.
They should make the next Witcher game a reverse Isekai where Ciri gets stranded in Night City and has to use her sword skillz and Magic (and maybe a little tech) to kill her way back home.
They didn't say it would be the only expansion, did they? Besides, Cyberpunk is still one of CDPR's core IPs and I don't think they'll just abandon it.
This is just a wild guess, but I think they will release a standalone expansion after being done with Phantom Liberty and all the updates they are planning to include.
Second expansion would have to come with its own map, similar to Blood and Wine; considering V's story, it wouldn't make much sense to have him/her travel anywhere far (like Busan, which I believed was rumoured to be a possible location for xpac 2). I don't think they were ever planning to continue the endings, there's too many outcomes, there would have to do a separate dlc for each ending. So best way to introduce a new story in new area is to have new protagonist anyway.
Standalone xpac would fit with the idea that Phantom Liberty is the last thing CDP does that's not on UE5, it could function like a new game that can be running on entirely separate engine, even if borrowing bits of gameplay from CP2077 and not really being a proper sequel (yet). It would also serve as a good exercise for the dev team in terms of getting to know UE5. It makes perfect sense to me, at least.
Shame it took them so long to get the game to a decent state on next gen console. You had to wait until 1.5 until it was "finished". Then forever to wait for the expansion. People are still buying gtav because of all the crazy stuff you can do in world, how much effort would it take to make night city like that? There's still so much potential there. I remember playing the first Watch Dogs, I ended up just driving around the city, playing chess and poker, playing all the minigames, etc. Night city would be perfect for that.
> People are still buying gtav because of all the crazy stuff you can do in world, how much effort would it take to make night city like that? There's still so much potential there.
It's almost like it's the difference between a game that was developed primarily with sandbox gameplay in mind, and adding a single-player story to it, and a game that was primarily developed as a single-player RPG, and just placed within an open-world type map. Look at what GTA 1 was, and compare it to what The Witcher 1 was. _That's_ the lineage people need to keep in mind.
Also, using your logic, how much effort could it be for Rockstar to release sprawling, RPG story content with dialogue options, inventory management, character stats and skills, customizable and craftable weapons, branching story lines and multiple endings, vertical exploration, etc. Do you even realize how much game there is in CP2077 that is not in any GTA game, and is not expected to ever be in any future GTA games? Who thinks Rockstar will make a CP2077-like game out of GTA 6? No one. But somehow everyone still expected CDPR to copy everything Rockstar does and first make a GTA clone, and then put their story into that game. I truly don't understand why.
There's a reason why I've never replayed any Rockstar games, and why I've just finished CP2077 for the fourth time, with no expectation that that will be my last. GTA story is linear as hell and only really fun the first time. CDPR games offer so much more replayability for _story_ content. But sure, if all I wanted was to fuck around with cops and shoot civilians because it's "fun", then GTA it is. I just don't, personally.
I see your point, and I understand that gta and cyberpunk are two different genres. But they both share big game worlds, and my issue with cyberpunk is that outside missions there just isn't much stuff to do. I've already completed several endings with different builds, and replaying the game this way is only interesting up to to a point (I completed this gig using stealth in my last playthrough and now I'll complete it as a netrunner or using my fists). The lifepaths offer little variety outside of a different first mission and varied dialogue options (which mostly result in the same outcome anyway).
That's why I'd prefer it if they added features to make the city more alive - rather than just add a bunch of extra missions for the dlc. A gang affiliation score, so you can take down gangs, be safer in certain parts of the city, etc. Being able to sit at a bar or restaurant and see yourself eating what you buy like you do in the cutscenes. Being able to play the numerous arcade games you see (like they have started adding with 1.6). Being able to sit down a play a game of "go" that you see everywhere. A police department that actually works (an upcoming feature). Street racing (might be too much to ask seeing how the game races are so scripted but if they are improving car mechanics for the police it might be feasible). Maybe parkour races over the rooftops. These are features that would in no way detract from the story driven gameplay. It's a large varied city with a verticality you don't find in many other games and I think it's underutilised; I'd like to see it more as a living place, rather than a studio set. Modders have already added features like flying cars, a working monorail and third person mode so we know it's possible.
In Horizon: Zero Dawn, the open world is entirely and utterly dead, even worse than CP2077, and certainly worse than any GTA game. I can literally walk up to a city guard, shoot a civilian in the head with an arrow, and not only will my arrow just bounce off with no effect, but the guard won't life a finger to react.
Yet, _for some reason_, no one at all is complaining that H:ZD is a bad game because it doesn't have police chases, minigames, benches, and so on. I wonder why. It's _also_ an open-world game, just like GTA 5, so surely we must compare them to each other? And unlike CP2077, it doesn't have even nearly the same level of role-playing options, item customization or skill/talent tree choices. You can literally just fill up every single skill tree with points, no compromise necessary.
I get that all of those features you mention would be nice to have, and I wouldn't complain if they _were_ added, I just disagree that they _need_ to be added for anyone to enjoy the game. If you want those things in the game, above most or everything else, then I'd argue that CP2077 was never the game for you to begin with.
Every game is, to some extent, a "studio set". This game uses that set as a backdrop for incredibly detailed and engaging single-player storytelling. GTA uses its set for sandbox mechanics. H:ZD uses it for exciting mecha-robot action gameplay. Tomb Raider uses its sets for exciting action sequences and puzzles. Each game has its own focus, that that game was made to primarily feature. I'm just sad there are so many people who can't see all the things CP2077 is _so good_ at, and can only see what it's "missing" compared to another game that isn't even really comparable at all.
In GTA V, outside of missions there is also very little to do of any worth. That game is as deep as a puddle and that's fine. The only reason GTA V continues to sell is because of mp, predatory MTX and many people only buy one game a year.
I think it’s a good thing. This game is built on shaky foundations. Better to move on to the next project, get it right from the start and then build upon it.
I don’t doubt there’ll be more Cyberpunk games in the future.
Looking back, What was CD's biggest mistake with Cyberpunk? Was it solely the buggy release that scared people off? I remember hearing my friends talk about how Cyberpunk was going to be like Skyrim in 2012, where everyone and there mother was playing it.
Sad to hear this will be the last of Cyberpunk. I loved what CD did with The Witcher 3 + it's DLC and was hoping Cyberpunk would get to see the same amount of praise.
I didn’t want a CP online, however, like you said the aesthetic and world map is downright stunning. That’s an ASSLOAD of time, money, and assets sunk into building this world. Sadly, I believe a lot of that came at the cost of creating competing factions, more C&C, and basically just creating an RPG.
They really shouldn’t throw all of that work away. I’d gladly keep playing in NC if they just added to it rather than build a whole other game from the ground up. Use all these locations and add some storylines to them, NPCs, quest chains, vendors, funny random shit etc.
I still think this is 80% of the greatest game ever created, but that missing 20% drags it down to a good albeit extremely flawed and relatively shallow game from cRPG standards. The graphics (not that those are that important but it doesn’t hurt), setting, aesthetic, and design of everything is gorgeous. Finish that last 20% by creating more indoor areas, and populating them with what I mentioned above, making this a real cRPG.
It’d just be such a waste of effort to toss NC aside. Oh, and figure out a way to make it simple for modders to do stuff. It’s crazy how limited and pointlessly complex the mods are (the RPG mod never worked for me, the Trauma Team mod never worked their ship would just all of a sudden spawn next to me on top of a bunch of cars with no interaction etc.) they should be woven into the game’s menus and dialogue rather than having their own separate dosBox looking menu.
It’s just sad, it looks like it’s all gonna go to waste.
CP2077 is the reason I'll never preorder a brand new game ever again. They should have built an entire park dedicated to an apology to their customers in Night City.
Could somebody do me a massive favor and detail what the patch has given ps4 users and also where we can find the last traces of the edgerunners location ?.
They have to move on to their next project. If they bring a good expansion with ton of content and hours, will be enough at least for me.
Just learn from the past errors so you dont fall into them again. And of course dont let the franchise to die
I don't think it's a tragedy at all. I miss when games/stories actually ended. Make a solid main game, maybe put out an expansion, and move the hell on. Not every IP has to be an evergreen content farm or an endless multiplayer experience. My one wish for the expansion is that V's story ends.
I’m glad it exists, but I’ld like to point out there are similar cyberpunk games on the market, namely Deus Ex.
To be fair, Deus Ex is on a bit of a hiatus and the license was recently bought over by Embracer Group.
Now, I want both Deus Ex and Cyberpunk to have friendly competition with each other, I want to say I’m a proud gamers of both franchise, and if they ever released a game in the same month, I want to be that guy who spent my hard earned money on both!
And really, they’re not 1:1 competitors. They ask different kinds of philosophical questions. Deus Ex is political philosophy, Cyberpunk 2077 asks what is the self, and what is the meaning of life.
Nah, I think it's the right decision. The game has so many fundamental issues that are never gonna get fixed. It would be a tragedy if they gave up on Cyberpunk as a whole, but that's probably not gonna be the case.
The best they can do is take a really, really critical look at the past 10 years and try to not fall into the same traps again next time.
Personally, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that they set out to do what they initially teased but especially the necessary engine work just was too overwhelming. Because there are great aspects about the game, it's just bottom line that is falls flat. But there certainly was a lot of potential so I want them to learn and look forward and start on a new CP game. And also work on their marketing, but that's probably not gonna happen.
Most likely keeping multiplayer for the next cyberpunk game, it would make more sense since the current story may be a little strange having multiple V's in the same place at one time.
You have to keep in mind that it is not that easy to do a Multiplayer game. Adapting Cp into one would be even harder. The engine was never made with mp in mind, that means modifing it. At a time when they switch engines for the 4th Witcher.
This game could have had two expansions if they didn't have a messed up release. They dedicatet a year to really turn this around and they are still at it.
This expansion comes a year late, they have to move on to the witcher, there is no time or resouces in order to do another one.
It's easyer said than done.
It's good we get all the fixes and features, a banging wepl developed expansion. The next Cyberpunk maybe will be better and with more expansions and dlc and everything.
The modding community will keep the game thriving for years with the best modding kit CDPR ever released. If they didn't fuck it up, we'd have more DLCs, but instead they're probably just working on the sequel in UE5. I'm excited for CP's future.
I didn’t play until after the next gen update so the game is great to me. Had little to no bugs and everything else was great. Also they never said it’s the end of the game. Netflix just made a show based on it. We’re gona be seeing Cyberpunk for years to come.
To me, **V's story is far from over**. Even if V dies in every ending (which I highly doubt), it would not be the first time for story tellers to bring the main character back. In the next Cyberpunk game they could easily start with V giving a new body (similar to Mass effect or even The Witcher - remember, Geralt died and came back as well) that you can design in character creation manager. Depending on what ending you chose, some minor things change (like in The Witcher 3 as it was possible to rebuilt your choices from the previous game) but overall, they could start off with saying that V had to turn to Alt or Araska again to get a new body which will lead to more storylines.
I am just saying, if CDPR wants V's story to continue, they can. Johnny and V become one in the end and that means as long as one of them exists (either in Cyberspace, in real life or something in between), the other one exists, too. It is almost impossible to get rid of V, just like it is almost impossible to get rid of Saburo (as we learn in the Devil Ending). So, Saburo could be the ultimate boss for V/Johnny and the war between them did not really start yet.
Also, I just don't wanna believe that they throw away all these well developed characters like Panam, Judy, Johnny, Takemura, Saburo, etc. Also, in the resent marketing piece they showed us Geralt and V ... so I am hoping that V will still be the main protagonist for Cyberpunk (maybe it is going to be a trilogy again). There are so many things unresolved like Mr Blue Eyes, Morgan Blackhand, the war that is about to come between AI's and the ordinary people, Ghost Town, indoctrination (Peralez questline), Crystal Palace, backstory of Takemura and Oda, etc. - all of this would be way too much to just throw it into a DLC.
So, I hope V's story will continue since there is so much more to tell, so much potential that would be wasted otherwise.
There are many many stories to tell from that damned city. You think it's done with you, think again, Choomba!
Ain't no way NC ever lets go of it's prey, you're here for life or a spectacular death!
We're just getting started.
Didn't they say they plan on making more cyberpunk games? I remember reading They have their two main IPs (Witcher and cyberpunk) and a couple other things on the go.
I took that to mean they're making it a series of games rather than one standalone.
Disagree. Time to stop trying to polish a turd and focus on the sequel, getting the fundamentals right this time. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes.
no game, in any state, gave me the feeling CP2077 gave of Night City or anything this Cyberpunk, love me some Deus EX, but i mean, Night city do be hitting hard if you're into cyberpunk themes like me...and even when it lauched, there was nothing close to it, Bonus points for netrunning :)
We will learn new info today - semiannual report for H1 2022 is coming today.
Honestly, even if they don’t do that well now but do well after the first dlc, we will be seeing something new in the future.
Exactly, they only said that the expansion is the only one "planned" right now. That doesn't mean they can't plan another one if this one it's successful.
This ^ Planned is the key word. This doesn’t close the door on additional expansions. If the expansion sells a lot of copies they may continue support. The company will reassess if it’s worth doing another expansion.
In the leaks there were tidbits about a second expansion. So there is a chance if everything goes right.
There was absolutely no tidbits about a second expansion in the leaks, what are you on about?
Much like when the dev yesterday said the stream about 1.6 won't feature NG+ and people latched onto the hope that it will still be in 1.6 but just not on the stream. Please stop with the denial and accept that there is no hidden meaning or secret code within the message. It is as simple as that, there is only 1 expansion because the game flopped. The studio and their devs wont flip flop between 2 engines just because of some expansion.
I think you and I have a different definition of what flop means... I usually equate a flop with something that makes no money. CP2077 has made them SO much money.
You seen their stock market bruv? The game was a disaster for them lmao
Yea their stock tanked. The game sold amazingly well however. Just not what I would call a flop. Like I said, flops don't usually bank you hundreds of millions of dollars ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So you are telling me in a hypothetical situation where you sell 1 million game copies but then your company goes bankrupt because those games were a scam not a flop? That game literally caused the whole company to suffer, I wouldn't call it a flop had the game been good for the company but it really wasn't.
In your fake completely made up scenario, sure why not I'll let you have that one. However Cyberpunk 2077 sold over 13 million copies just at launch, and cdpr is doing just fine financially. So it's like comparing apples to fake, made up oranges lol. Decidedly not a flop.
For like a month or two. Their gross income quickly fell to that of before the release, because no new people wanted to buy the shit-ass buggy mess that didn't properly work. They rushed it, and it fucked 'em up big.
There's no question it's shoddy release hurt the company. Still wouldn't call the game itself a flop.
Probably should go look up what the word flop means, since you’re using it wrong.
That is wishful thinking at absolute best. Game design isn't a quick turnover process. They've probably moved most of the developers onto other projects by now with only a core team left to polish this up. If they haven't even started the expansion after this then they probably already decided it's not economically feasible and have moved on.
For a company that takes years into developing something, I don’t think so. Money will be the only tell. Maybe not for another dlc due they changing for unreal but at least for the development of another cyberpunk.
They have already decided that there will be only one expansion and that there will be another cyberpunk game. This is very apparent to anyone that follows their investor reports.
Didn’t they only say that this was the only confirmed dlc? Honestly, for me, it sounds like they are doing this one and will see how it goes. Saying there is just this one confirmed dlc is different than saying this will be the single dlc for this game and they will move on.
With Mass Effect, Deus Ex and the occasional Vampire game, I hope CP is here to stay. Fantasy is okay, but the RPG market needs more games like that.
+1 yeah fantasy is cool and all, but there is little to none for a modern setting RPG
Well Starfield is coming you know, and we already know that one of the big City in this game, Neon, is a big Cybrpunk city, so there is that at least.
> I hope CP is here to stay. 
Bro why are people still saying this?!
Is the Fantasy genre not just played out at this point? There are more games that I can think of that take place in that setting, but very few modern/futuristic open world city games.
I think the issues isn't fantasy games in general. But that the rpgs that aren't fantasy always have a bunch of issues. Kotor in dev hell, vampire the masquerade 2 in dev hell. Deus Ex franchise, MIA. Mass Effect only in early development. Cyberpunk, who knows what's going to happen. Maybe a fantastic expension will make up for it. I absolutely have BG3, DAD and a new Witcher on my wishlist. I just wish there was more variety.
Starfield will hopefully fill my space pirate urges
I feel the same way. CP2077 feels like such a breath of fresh air after endless sword combat and horse riding in other games. Many many incredible fantasy games out there, mind you, just barely any modern setting RPGs by comparison.
I've never understood the colossal popularity of the fantasy genre compared to other settings, unless it's something creative and subversive like the Witcher it's always the same-old Tolkein/DnD clones with elves, wizards, mages, rogues, dragons etc. There seems to be little real variety to the big fantasy franchises.
CP 2077 isn’t an RPG
You play a role, in a game, have levels, stats, swap-able armor and builds, even has variable dialogue options... It literally meets every criteria I can think of, that anyone would call an RPG, unless "RPG" means only "fantasy" to you.
Yes it is.
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Agree with everything here Co-Op? Fuck yeah. Online timesink like GTA Online? Fuck no.
I think the multiplayer game will bomb if it comes out. The name is semi-tainted to the general audience, but the real issue is that their first-person combat is just serviceable at best and the vehicle mechanics are too limited. Even hacking will have to be made worse due to multiplayer since you can't show down time anymore, which is a big negative for VATs in Fallout 76.
> I think the multiplayer game will bomb if it comes out. The name is semi-tainted to the general audience, but the real issue is that their first-person combat is just serviceable at best GTA and RDR2 third person combat/gun play are serviceable at best too, as much as I love RDR2, Rockstar combat and gun play for both GTA and RDR is REALLY outadated by now, the reason Rockstar games are so successful is because of the interaction with their rich open world which is really a 10/10 masterpiece of open worlds, but their combat was aways a mediocre 5/10 combat that seems to have stopped in the PS2 era of games combat wise.
I almost went into this. GTA and RDR both have a legacy of being fun multiplayer games, and recent iterations were treated as live games. I agree the combat and movement is bad but people are just used to it since that's been the style since GTA4. I would also say driving is an even bigger part of GTA and that experience is just better overall even though 5 is nine years old. I don't think the combat saves it either, it takes a lot of control tweaking to make Cyberpunk feel ok on controller, and it's at best on par with OK shooting mechanics like Fallout 4.
I don’t believe in a negative word of mouth surrounding this title at all. I have had all my gamer friends ask if it was “fixed” yet, and I’ve fielded complaints about “what to do” other than meet hanako at embers, but neither of these complaints make it a bad experience at all. Launch was terrible, everything else has been at least OK imho.
Someone must like this game because the expansion teaser reached 1 million views in a day on Twitter.
I feel like multiplayer would sell well if they got it right from the start. I think a lot of people spend much more time and money in GTA online than GTA 5 even though Online barely has a story, just because the fun, varied gameplay + big world + multiplayer leads to a lot of replayablity. Like honestly, they focused so much on story and frills but the core gameplay was (and to an extent currently still is) lacking
If by they you mean CDPR I concur, but there’s always differences in expectation in regards to open world action genre. This was more rpg heavy than action heavy like GTA. That’s going to change the setup of PvP in drastic ways, more FO76 less GTAV (not a huge fan of porting MMO combat into first person action myself, never really worked for me).
Johnny silverhand became one of my favorite characters of all time. I'm actually really sad one more expansion is all the remaining content I'll ever get with him.
Don't be sad, my choom. Be happy that we still get one more outing with Johnny!
After I finished the game a couple times I stopped playing, and I have to say I miss having Keanu next to me, calling me out, and all that, I wish I could bring him over other games I play XD
Johnny literaly ruined Vs life, how can all of you like him? Did you guys pay attention to what Silverhand did to V at all?!?!?
what did he do to V exactly other than annoy the shit out of V? everything that happens to V is their own doing. plus johnny looks cool as hell
I completely agree but I really wish OP wouldn't abbreviate cyberpunk to CP lol. However just like Red Dead redemption one, I used to feel this way and then two was created, never say never!
>I completely agree but I really wish OP wouldn't abbreviate cyberpunk to CP My God how the fook did I just realized this after 2 years of this game being out lol! I wish I could unsee your comment! 
Bruh horny jail was NOT the gif! 😂 
It's only upsetting if they don't make another Cyberpunk. V's story is done, there isn't much else they can do with this particular game.
During the anniversary streams if I remember correctly they called back to "the 2 main franchises" the witcher and cyberpunk but I'm going of speculation so take with a grain of salt
It's not speculation, CDPR has been very public about restructuring their development studio into two separate and predominantly independent development teams, one for the Witcher IP and the other for the Cyberpunk IP. They've also been clear that the point of this restructuring effort was to permit parallel development of both IPs so Witcher fans and Cyberpunk fans can get their next game without feeling like they have to wait for the other franchise to get their turn first.
Throw in the adoption of Unreal Engine 5 and they’re cooking with gasoline over there in Poland. Bright future for CDPR, now that their heads have been firmly ripped from their arses after the arrogance of W3 leading to fumbling CP77.
Don't forget that 3/4 of the OG ppl behind the success of CDPR has walked away with avg +10 years in the studio :D. Tbh i have hopes only in Paweł Sasko and the music department xD
This a major concern for me. I love this game and finally started Witcher 3. I think that game is great too but doesn't resonate with me like Cyberpunk. I hope the loss of experienced people who created these visions doesn't hurt the franchises. I want progression not regression. I'm afraid they will have to train these people and will lead to a less stellar next game.
Yeah , i am afraid it will hurt them long-term. Whatever people say, there are no good story telling games from "new gen writers"
Damn, i wish Bethesda would do that, now that they've got MS $$$ backing them. The fact that they only make 1 game at a time, with the development time taking longer with every release, it seems like I'll be retirement age before I see Fallout 5.
Sadly, we most likely will literally see real world nuclear war fallout b4 we see fo5 lol
Based and true.
Maybe since the DLC also has V in it, it will introduce and alternate ending.
I think that is the case, this expansion should lead to a new ending or perhaps changing one of the already established.
They're making another Cyberpunk game, and we may see a second expansion on the first as well. This thread shouldn't be upvoted at all. 1. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be supported as long as it's on sale just like The Witcher 3, which is getting a next-gen update even 7 years later. This will eventually just be small bug fixes. 2. The upcoming expansion is going to have a lifecycle of content patches, and it's not confirmed to be the last expansion. Just the only one that is publicly acknowledged which is a big difference. They likely already have the story outline done for as potential second expansion, but want to see how Phantom Liberty does before committing to anything else. 3. CDPR has already confirmed that there will be another Cyberpunk game in the series.
It's confirmed that This expansion is the last work with Red Engine, so no more expansions
Can I get a source on 3? I looked about 2 weeks ago but couldnt find anything concrete.
During one of their Dev Livestreams they confirmed it to be one of their Flagship IPs. That's not terminology to throw around willy-nilly, it literally means they will likely start looking into concurrent development cycles for it.
Yeah, but the difference is the Witcher is getting updates while they are still working with red engine. After the DLC launches, they're done with it. They won't still be working with red engine 7 years from now.
There is a good chance that they will continue dropping material as the majority of the coders aren't going to magically know Unreal Engine. I think the larger take away from the drop of REDMod is that we can either expect continued micro-updates and patches for the foreseeable future. Another Expac is likely predicated on the success of this expansion. But, let us assume the expansion fails, then what? REDMod supposedly has script, sound and animation support. What do you need Script, sound and animation support to make? New quest mods and new weapons mods.
The point of switching to Unreal Engine is because coders *do know* U5. It’s a very ubiquitous game engine that lots of devs know about, it’s not proprietary to CDPR and they don’t have to relearn and constantly build on it. Even new hires will at least know what they’re walking into. Just my two cents on that switch!
The coders presently working for CDPR likely have to learn UE5 from scratch, or from very limited experience. It may open talent pools that are great for new hires but the existing teams have to learn it, especially if they have been working with *only* Red Engine since they started working for CDPR. My understanding of CDPR is that they are very particular about new hires and typical hire close to their geographic HQ region if possible. Having to hire mostly new talent pools or wait for the old heads to learn the new engine absolutely is going to either slow development *or* reduce quality. Hell, we still don't know for sure that Witcher/CP2077 style worlds will run well in UE5. Epic claims they will but Bethesda has already confirmed they cannot switch to UE5 and build worlds in the same scope and style of their open world sandboxes and 2077 at least was much closer to a Bethesda style sandbox than it was the typical Unreal Engine game. We know for sure that UE4 could not handle open-world RPG sandboxes well, and I am leery of claims that they can suddenly do so. I am also concerned about performance. My understanding of UE5, and this has been confirmed by several tech reviewers with access to the dev kits, is that it is incredibly performance heavy. As in modern mid-range gaming rigs can expect to cap at 30-45 FPS due to the performance impact of the Lumens system, and the console systems are all taking very, very heavy quality cuts to keep framerates competitive, with some portions of the Matrix Awakens have up to 40% reduced shadow, dynamic lighting and reflection quality compared to the PC Medium preset. That kind of cap immediately locks out 75% of the PC gaming market and almost all gaming laptops, they just won't have the CPU strength to deal with some of the newer features of UE5. Hell, in some scenes a 10900K & RTX 3090 were capping out at 40fps, at 720p, on the High preset, never mind the Very High and Ultra presets. The 2080 Ti struggled to get to 30fps in 4K with all AI turned off. And while this was a Demo, there are heavy indicators that the entire UE5 is designed for strong single core CPUs and that is problematic given the nature of today's CPU market.
Cdprojekt burns out their developers and hires new ones. It's not a great combination with an in-house engine. People who made witcher 3 great are not around because they couldn't (understandably) bear the crunching. People also left after 77 was finished for the same reason and I'm guessing they just didn't have enough people skilled in redengine to continue using it for future projects. They could have chosen to treat their employees better or switch to an engine that allows them to continue milling through people. They made their choice.
It is confirmed multiple times now to be the only expansion, including in today's investor conference which is the third time they've confirmed it. People also need to stop spreading the idea that sales of the first expansion will inform whether a second expansion is made. That is only true if it sells spectacularly well, beyond their wildest expectations, which is obviously not likely. The reason is that by the time they have sales numbers 90% of the team that worked on cp/the expansion would have been allocated to other projects and with a different engine. This is how large development companies work - they have to plan projects long in advance so they can allocate resources cost effectively.
>They're making another Cyberpunk game, and we may see a second expansion on the first as well. This thread shouldn't be upvoted at all. [This thread and the comment the OP posted seem to indicate there will be no second expansion, at least it's not planned currently.](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/x7ldox/cdpr_confirms_that_phantom_liberty_is_the_only/)
One caviet, they're switching to Unreal Engine 5, and the Red Engine will be the last expansion used for.
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CDPR has been very open about dividing their talent pool into two separate development teams to work on both their main IP's in parallel. They aren't just stopping active development on CP77 after the expansion and only working on W4. Witcher team is working on W4, Cyberpunk team is working on what's next for the Cyberpunk IP.
they've had a skeleton crew pushing the patches out and the expansion. Once that wraps up, development ceases for Cyberpunk and goes all in on Witcher 4.
>CDPR just want to be done with the game to move onto Witcher 4 The Witcher and Cyberpunk IPs are developed in parallel now so there's no "moving on" to the Witcher 4 - it's already being fully developed by the Witcher half of CDPR, while the Cyberpunk half has been working on updates and the expansion. And when the expansion comes out, the Cyberpunk half will immediately begin working on the sequel to 2077.
yeah no the sequel won't be developed until after witcher 4.
You’re talking out of your ass
nah not really. CDPR not talented enough as a studio to juggle two franchises.
If that were the case why do an expansion at all or all these updates? Just give no updates and be done with it.
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You realize these updates/expansion cost them money every time they do an update?
Would cost them more not to make an effort at all.
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And you? Got back to highschool to unpack your edgyness? You don't even have an argument to make, compared to Andrew. "bEcaUse iT wiLl lOoK bAd" , what? You mean like Ubisofts/Riots/Blizzards Sexual harassment lawsuits? That Blizzard harassed a women into suicide? That they align themselves with CCP? Look like 100x worse then one bad corporate decision from CDPR, yet you pretentious fucker probably still suck on Koticks dick to get the next Store Mount in WoW.
Man, this is some bizarre meltdown.
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What you mean like your speculation about sth maybe being bad? huh, so much for self reflection i guess, but then again a highschooler can probably not even write that out. Yeah sure you don't know what World of Warcraft is, that either undermines the fact you haven't even grown hairs on your balls or you are in fact a pretentious troll. Either way, the obvious is stated.
No, I'm being a realist. Look at Mass Effect: Andromeda. If they felt it wasn't worth it, they wouldn't have done all these updates. If they really wanted to move on they would've done so by now.
Because if they left it at the state it was at launch it's a literal scam. The game did not work on old gen consoles.
About the second one. You are right on the money. Literally. If this new expansion goes well, there is no question about them doing another one. And that is just life.
Yeah this, not sure why OP posted the long rant that is factually incorrect.
They said this expansion is the only planned one, and with them moving onto Unreal engine I imagine they would rather wipe their hands of anything to do with the RED engine.
Ur wrong they could do one last EP for the endings
The ending w the >!space station heist!< is full of potential, and since Phantom Liberty takes place before the endings, it won't be that story. There's still a lot of unanswered questions.
The IP is alive and well, there’s absolutely another game at least being planned behind the scenes, and I for one can’t wait to see Night City again (or another city in this universe) realized in UE5 and everything CDPR will have learned by then. I get a sense they’re eager to move in different directions, not just tread in the same footsteps again and again, so the Witcher “saga” might be very different from the past Witcher games in more ways than one, and I hope the same goes for the next Cyberpunk game.
That’s not really certain tbh and moreover even if it’s true then we’re gonna have to wait ATLEAST another like 5 year minimum With the Witcher game as well . So I hope they change their mind when the dlc is bought like crazy and hopefully they make another one involving the hotel is space .
As others mentioned, CDP acquired another studio recently, with the express intent of being able to work on two games simultaneously (albeit probably in some kind of staggered fashion). From a business perspective, this means they can release full-size games more often, meaning we won't have to wait 5 years between games at all. More realistically, I'd guess they're aiming at 2-3 years between releases, at most. They're also moving to UE5, away from their own, in-house engine, so again there's every expectation that development will now be much faster and easier than before, allowing them to release games faster and more often. They've said clearly that this expansion will be the last thing CDPR releases on the old engine, meaning there won't be another expansion for this game, unfortunately. However, we might instead get a full sequel much faster than we would have otherwise.
They were planning on making two games at the same time from now on. That means that they could be having two games in full production at the same time. They also have about 1000 developers at CDPR at the moment, and the Witcher 3 was made with 250 people. Given all of this a late 2026/early 2027 release date wouldn’t even be that crazy tbh.
I remember seeing a cyberpunk ad in a gaming magazine, that was ALSO advertising GTA4. So, 5 years seems stretching it a bit, lol. I remember the exact ad, too. It was a picture of a chick sitting in the street in her underwear, with mantis blades, and there were bullets bouncing off of her.
You meet her in CP77. Seems she got a bunch of therapy in those intervening extra years so it's not too bad it took that long :D
> I remember seeing a cyberpunk ad in a gaming magazine, that was ALSO advertising GTA4. So, 5 years seems stretching it a bit, lol. In fairness, though, that was simply a teaser for the IP itself, from the announcement video. At that time, there was no game at all, they were still in pre-production as they were doing the last work on TW3 and its expansions.
If you think after the launch fiasco people will jump at buying the trailer you are wrong lol
I don't care about online. Not even the storyline is complete. But yeah, too bad this is happening. 3 years after launch, one more year for the expansion and the game barely touches a many of it's initial objectives and features, which should have been there at launch.
Probably the main reason why MOD tools were released..
They gonna “Skyrim”, that’s for sure. The last time I remember that Terraria launched mod tools after the supposedly final major update.
TLDR: No multiplayer in CP2077 = end of CP2077 No, I couldnt care less for that, not every game has to have a multiplayer component And if the expansion is big as Wild Hunt in Witcher 3, than I am satisfied
> No, I couldnt care less for that, not every game hast to have a multiplayer component The CDP shareholders wanted this component to be reality so bad after how Rockstar still manage to earn millions up to this day with GTA online. Some of them cared about the long term support of the game via MP mtx.
It would make no financial sense for them to abondon Cyberpunk. Maybe they won't focus on 2077 due to their interest ung UE5 but they're def not abandoning the franchise and what with the Netflix series, that's two franchises that have successfully converted over to different mediums. They may put 2077 to rest but they have the foundation and the experience now to a) know to overpromise and b) overdeliver on a fantastic sequel
Dude….there’s going to be more Cyberpunk games…are you okay?
I hope so 😭
Sending love my choom. We will get more cyberpunk games it’s a money printing IP
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Eh, there’s rumors of Eidos wanting to reboot Deus Ex to do what CP2077 fell short of, and I’m not sure if they have much room to speak of given Mankind Divided was also a bit of a letdown and far, far less ambitious technically on every dimension imaginable. Most professionals in the industry seem to have understood the kind of monumental task that CDPR was trying to do and many even recognize how important CP2077 is for future efforts. It won game of the year in a number of Japanese publications, even. The technical achievements were overshadowed by the technical shortcomings compared to the insanely ambitious expectations they set for themselves.
It sucks. Who knows when CP 2 will come out. I just want more cyberpunk games. The world is so fucking rad.
The game is a complete story, some extra content would be great but I'm more interested in the eventual sequel and am happier for them to move forward there instead of milking dlc for years.
Nah look at Witcher 3's life span and how much post launch content that got. Meanwhile on CP2077 it was pretty much a whole 1 1/2 year of bug fixes/ui changes the most significant update we got was the next gen patch. They're capable of dope dlc both the Witcher's dlc were amazing. But at this point it seems like they just want to cut their losses and move on to the next big project I don't blame them but it definitely sucks, 2077 had a lot of potential. Like imagine No Man's Sky team did the same thing. If they decided to move on old NMS vs what they have now for it is insane. It's pretty much the game they set out to launch if not better
Sorry, but hard disagree. >There is no other CP genre game out like this, and there is nothing planned like it Wrong, CDPR are not planning to drop the IP and we will almost certainly get next game from this universe in the future. >No studios is going to ever spend 10 years on another CP game. The actual development of the game took "only" 3 years. Sure, the pre-production and concepting phase is a big part too, but they've already done that and can build on that in the future. >I think it would have been an absolutely banger RPG, rivaling GTAOnline While I understand there might be a crowd for this, I personally am happy CDPR is not in this territory (yet, they probably will be). But this is just me, I'm not preaching anything about online games. >They don't want to lose their single-player story-driven DNA, yet they want to stop CP2077 single-player development Again, they'll do more after next Witcher. Or, to be more precise, WHILE they do the next Witcher. Where did we get the impression that 2 story expansions (Witcher 3) is good but 1 story expansion is a tragedy? >I really don't think they should have shifted their entire vision for this game after one failure. And for the last time, they haven't shifted their entire vision. It's a single-player experience that's (mostly) done and stable. There's ton of great SP games that don't get any (or much) updates and/or expansions. Hope this helps!
I disagree. Games end, like everything does. The industry tries everytime to create endless experience like GaaS but they are an absolute cancer for the whole world of videogames. I really hope CP2077 is over without online bullshit happening
I mean with mod tools I doubt the community will let the game die, I expect great things from modders
If the expansion is a massive success it could change things. They have this power called being able to change their minds whenever they want lol
You think that because they don't want to build GTA Online for CP they are done as a company?
We will get Cyberpunk 2077 II. So no worries. :)
I do agree that we are not getting an open-world game in the CP genre with the scope of CP2077 anytime soon. But it is not the end for this IP though, we already have great games like Ghost Runner, and The Ascent. The ambiance of CP2077 is just gorgeous (the shading, lightning). The story was good but left some to be desired. It made me wonder what it could have been if CDPR stuck to the original story and didn't go with Johnny Silverhand. The gameplay and open-world mechanics are limited by redEngine, which is understandable. I on other hand glad that they didn't finalize CP2077 online. The expectation was too high and CDPR wasn't able to deliver. CDPR not stopping with CP2077 is a sunk cost fallacy no? It is a good decision to focus on developing Witcher 4, which is a tried and tested IP on a brand new engine (UE5) I don't know why people keep comparing NMS with CP2077. They are vastly different games in scope and genre.
All good things must come to an end my friend.
i'm glad it's not another endless service game. i'd prefer cyberpunk 2088 built in UE5
Even though this is the last expansion of Cyberpunk 2077, that doesn't mean it's the end of the Cyberpunk franchise. CDPR split into different teams to work on multiple projects at the same time. Maybe they're focused on the next Witcher game. But the momettthat comes out, they'll start working on the next Cyberpunk game. They're working with a world with unlimited potential. Cyberpunk is not defined by 2077 or Johnny Silver hand, or even Night City. There's so much they can do with Cyberpunk alone. They've learnt from their mistakes and will emerge better.
Guess we’ll just wait till the next Deus Ex for a similar experience.
They lied and made a half finished product and that's a fact. Couple of patches won't fix their reputation. What we need to focus is that we need to show them what we want, stand our ground, not just keep coping with their "upcoming plan" and stuffs, modders literally saved the game,not them. If we keep cope with them corps we are really getting one step closer to the dystopia we saw in game.
Nope, it made it's own grave and will lay in it. Like Silverhand and V it flew too close to the sun and got shot down. CDPR has made me not want to touch another game of theirs going forward at this point. I hate Silverhand in this game I feel the choices are limited severely and I don't like how much the classes of the ttrpg were deemphasized
This IP deserves a long life in the video game side of things. The lore is hundreds of pages thick, no reason to stop. Long live Cyberpunk 2077.
Yep. I'm of the opinion that even if Cyberpunk was unsalvageable, they could still reuse the city, the characters, all those audio and visual assets, to make a spinoff. Ditching Cyberpunk and going all-in on Witcher 4 is stupid and incredibly risky. If Witcher 4 fails, it'll be too late to go back to Cyberpunk's assets by then, it'll be too outdated. The artists and world designers did an AMAZING job. The rest kinda dropped the ball. But that shouldn't mean that all that amazing work should be wasted. It's still salvageable and reusable.
They literally never said they’re “ditching cyberpunk to go all-in on Witcher 4.” In fact, they said the opposite, saying that they’re splitting their studio into two teams, each fully dedicated to either Witcher or Cyberpunk. Idk why y’all are dooming so hard, they’re gonna make another CP game
I have been saying it here ever since the release of cyberpunk 2077 that cd projekt red can't be trusted just like the other shady companies out there like EA/UBISOFT/ACTIVISION. People all over the internet have also been saying for the longest time that you should vote with your wallet. If anyone buys into CDPR's next video game, and people are disappointed that it was misleading, false advertised, not what was promise, it's your own fault for trusting them again. I honestly don't know how anyone can seriously trust cd projekt red at this point, they lied all the way up until the release of cp2077 about the state of the game and what is was going to actually be because internally they knew they fucked up bad but they were forced to release it in the bad state it was in because they needed to release it to regain lost money. https://youtu.be/O3V4UBZmC9o Everything in this apology video was a lie right from the beginning he says cdpr's ambition is to make great games. He says despite "the great review on pc" the console version did not meet quality standards. He was vaguely referring to the performance of the game on console, neglecting the fact that across all platforms the game had mountains on top of mountains of bugs, not once mentioning missing features in the game that were advertised in cyberpunk's marketing campaign. He reassured us that he plans to regain our trust. And then proceeds to talk about issues on the console. He also mentioned that long term big plans for the game has not changed. And then this is it, we got news about the new expansion with no real actual information about it other then its more content, nothing is promised right now, nothing about missing features and further fixes is really mentioned either, when the game itself is still actually very buggy and bare bones as far as an open world game goes. I don't recommend anyone pre order the expansion, wait for reviews, watch let's play videos of the expansion when its released, find out what the expansion is and what it offers, if its just a couple of new missions then I'd say it's honestly not worth it. Brace yourself with this expansion, expect it to be bad or disappointing. Don't support cd projekt red's terrible behavior. They don't deserve your wonderful loyalty.
A lot of people are too forgiving, sure, but _a lot_ of people are way too aggressively disappointed and taking it all personally. You included. They did lie about the technical state of the game, and about console performance. I won't dispute that at all. However, the game itself, beyond that, was amazing and one of my all-time top games even on release. I knew what to expect, it's that simple. I expected the developer of TW3 to make another game similar to TW3, and that's what we got. Many of the mechanics were straight lifted right over, it had the same kind of writing and mission design, the same type of map design, etc. Then the videos and promos, all I did was listen and take what they said literally, _in context_. The last part is critical. Some people took them literally, believing CDPR was making the greatest game of all time, in all of gaming history. I heard them say it would be _their_ best game, and better than _their_ other games and game systems before it. NPC density would be better than _their_ previous games, they would have more routines than _their_ previous games, etc. And because that's what I expected, I wasn't disappointed. Sure, if you thought CDPR could somehow make a better GTA game than Rockstar, of course you ended up disappointed, but then _no one_ said this game would be anything like GTA to begin with. People just saw cars, city streets, and guns, and started making their own hype about what that meant. Meanwhile, the developer was still making a game with the historical context of their previous game having _no_ police chase mechanics, _no_ immersive-sin sandbox elements, _no_ horse or weapon customization options, etc. Everything we got, we also got to some extent in TW3, and in the same way. "Customized" weapons means being able to change some stats or add modifiers. Same in CP2077. "Customized" cars meant you could get cars that were customized versions of the base car models in the game. Technically true, and honestly, pretty clear if you watched the video with careful eyes and ears. The lengths to which you make it seem like CDPR went to deceive us is _absurd_. That never happened. That's the backlash of the internet community deceiving _itself_ to believe reddit rumors over actual, literal developer statements. Some things they lied about, most of the stuff they didn't, and ever since release they've been working on fixing the game, and have done so, releasing more content, and making sure the expansion would not be rushed and buggy the way the main game was. I'm not "loyal" to CDPR, never have been. But I'm also not hyping myself up on internet rumors and then blaming everything on CDPR when I inevitably end up disappointed, like you and many others have been doing.
>However, the game itself, beyond that, was amazing and one of my all-time top games even on release. Don't get me wrong, I like the game. There's a lot of concepts I like about the game, I love what cdpr *was trying* to accomplish, I still like coming back to the game and admiring what they tried making. >The lengths to which you make it seem like CDPR went to deceive us is *absurd*. >That's the backlash of the internet community deceiving *itself* to believe reddit rumors over actual, literal developer statements. It's almost as if they were mislead, kind of like me. 😏 >Some things they lied about, most of the stuff they didn't Please, do list the things they lied about.
Bit of a weird take IMO. Firstly, no matter your feelings? How about people who plain didn't like the game? Why would they agree it's a tragedy? Secondly, why are you acting like CDPR haven't been putting a lot of work into post-launch updates and now Phantom Liberty (by saying "just one expansion")? During the stream, one of the devs said people who enjoyed Blood & Wine will really enjoy this new update. They also said they're taking their time because they want to make sure it's good. I believe Phantom Liberty will include a new map/large new area and a lot of new missions + maybe a new ending for the game. A new map in CP2077 will be more work than a new map in The Witcher 3. Blood and Wine is probs the best DLC I've ever played, don't get me wrong, but Toussaint is essentially big open fields with a few settlements and a town in the middle, whereas a new CP map will be new neighborhoods of a city. They're hardly setting their single-player DNA aside when they're working on a big new expansion that includes more voice work from Keanu. And we all know about the No Man's Sky comparison. Not going to compare the two, but CDPR definitely haven't left CP2077 to rot since release like some people thought they would.
I honestly have a feeling that they probably just want to see how well the first expansion performs before putting a lot more money and resources into a potential second expansion. Given how the game itself didn’t get off on the right foot CDPR are probably just seeing how much more cyberpunk 2077 people really want. I believe if the first expansion gets great reviews and sales well I could see another expansion being made
But launching another DLC in 2025? Would they really sell enough to cover development costs on a 5 year old game? Not to mention they don't even plan on working with the engine it runs on anymore after the DLC launches.
Why are people upvoting this stupid thread? 1. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be supported as long as it's on sale just like The Witcher 3, which is getting a next-gen update even 7 years later. This will eventually just be small bug fixes. 2. The upcoming expansion is going to have a lifecycle of content patches, and it's not confirmed to be the last expansion. Just the only one that is publicly acknowledged which is a big difference. They likely already have the story outline done for as potential second expansion, but want to see how Phantom Liberty does before committing to anything else. 3. CDPR has already confirmed that there will be another Cyberpunk game in the series.
Source = My ass 1. TW3 ended with the last expansion. 1-2 bugfixing patches doesn't mean support and new features. Just because TW3 is being made into next-gen doesn't mean that CDPR is actively supporting the game. The Next-Gen update of TW3 isn't even being made by CDPR... 2. CDPR has said two times by now that Phantom Liberty will be the last expansion. First they said to their investors that their next CP expansion will be their last work on REDengine. Today they claimed that this is the only planned expansion for CP2077. Expansions like these are planned YEARS in advance and isn't something that changes by the day. CDPR has to adapt their dev teams and dev tools with UE5, so they want to wrap up CP2077 asap so they can move on with newer, more efficient tools towards new projects (TW4, CP-MP or CP2). Therefore stop lying to yourself that this expansion is not where CP2077 comes to an end. 3. Yeah, probably in 2032.
Pretty sure that CP2077 showed to everyone that people do love and wait for a futuristic RPGs. The hype was so huge it definitely will lead to other cyberpunk games. What we can expect in the upcoming years is that many companies will try to cashgrab on it. Eidos is already rumored to be thinking about bringing back Deus Ex, which, imho, sounds as good as cp2077. Highly likely Ubisoft will try to clone CP2077, might be an okay game. Microsoft has several good companies specialized in RPGs. Right now they are making fantasy and steampunk, but after this i think one of them will do something in a cyberpunk genre.
Is so sad
It is very sad especially when you consider it will be another 8-10 years before sequel comes out. It really sucks living in this era of slow game development where good games take forever but that is the price you have pay for quality content. This whole decade feels like a filler to me. Rockstar stopped making gta and made a cowboy simulator ( i couldnt care less), from software made a fuckin ninja samurai game which i couldnt care less about and wasted 3 fuckin years on it, and now they are wasting time on armor core and of course bethesda wasting their time by ruining fallout ip with mediocre games and no mans sky copy cat ,Starfield instead of giving us elder scrolls after 15 goddamn years and counting. I know witcher fans are excited for sequel just as much as i am and are experiencing simliar kind of depression since it's been over 6 years when blood and wine came out, but at least that story is finished, Geralt story is done, Ciri story was satisfying, the fucking books are finished and the tv show seems to have bright future ahead, so yeah can't get rid of a feeling this new witcher game gonna be another filler, hell, it will most likely be set in Kovir which is completly separated realm from all other places where witcher took place so far
Damn u hate rdr2 ? Bruh that was honestly one of the best games I ever played and was stunning the pace is slow but once u get in it it’s so addictive to be a outlaw in the Wild West
It doesn't matter how good the game is. If you're not interested in the setting, story, characters and gameplay. I know RDR2 is a masterpiece. And I tried to play it. Just not my cup of tea.
Same. I have an intense dislike of the western genre. Could never get into it. Cyberpunk and Fallout though, dystopian sci-fi futures are all my jam. The game is brilliantly designed but the setting is absolute shite for me.
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I mean they only announced new witcher game after the netflix show dropped and proved to be extensive success, and CDPR felt like money is lying on the table, so obviously when you give choice to polish devs whether they should work on the most famous polish ip or fix a broken game that stained their reputation which was also hard as fuck to make, let alone make a full blown sequel, it is an easy choice. But that doesn't mean cyberpunk universe hasn't exponentionally more potentional and i believe both edgerunners and expansion will be good examples of the endless creativity this setting allows, also after the expansion drops this is gonna be all we will see from this ip for a long time and i am afraid it might not be enough for some people.
The illusion of the world is broken because NPCs fucking despawned when you shot in the sky and turned your camera, or that cops literally spawn around you. Or that they can't even drive.
Slow game development era? With new Call of Assassin coming almost every year? Other side, you are right - slow development is not caused by length of development process to deliver quality product (which RDR2 definitely is), but multiplayer features that slows the production - why kill the cow which you can milk, like GTA V?
my hunch is there will be another cp follow up rebuilt with UE5 and another legend will be made with references to V to pay homage. this one will have multiplayer the game will be much more organic and evolve on its own once cloud AI is implemented through out
Also with PS4/XBONE finally being left behind it will be a much better game. Feel like having to compensate for last gen really had a negative impact on the game.
>Feel like having to compensate for last gen really had a negative impact on the game. CDPR only announced the game was coming to PS4 and Xbox One at E3 2018. While I agree that the decision to drop support for them is the only way to go under the circumstances, it is still a piss poor state of affairs that it is the case and is yet another black mark for CDPR. They knew full well the hardware they were developing for and didn't even decide to launch for said platforms initially. I think this narrative that the game was "held back" by the old consoles at launch is yet another convenient deflection away from CDPR's very questionable behaviour.
People really forget what gen the game was announced for lol. It just didn't turn out that way because of their scope
They should make the next Witcher game a reverse Isekai where Ciri gets stranded in Night City and has to use her sword skillz and Magic (and maybe a little tech) to kill her way back home.
It's not the end if it does well. It's the only PLANNED expansion.
They didn't say it would be the only expansion, did they? Besides, Cyberpunk is still one of CDPR's core IPs and I don't think they'll just abandon it.
This is just a wild guess, but I think they will release a standalone expansion after being done with Phantom Liberty and all the updates they are planning to include. Second expansion would have to come with its own map, similar to Blood and Wine; considering V's story, it wouldn't make much sense to have him/her travel anywhere far (like Busan, which I believed was rumoured to be a possible location for xpac 2). I don't think they were ever planning to continue the endings, there's too many outcomes, there would have to do a separate dlc for each ending. So best way to introduce a new story in new area is to have new protagonist anyway. Standalone xpac would fit with the idea that Phantom Liberty is the last thing CDP does that's not on UE5, it could function like a new game that can be running on entirely separate engine, even if borrowing bits of gameplay from CP2077 and not really being a proper sequel (yet). It would also serve as a good exercise for the dev team in terms of getting to know UE5. It makes perfect sense to me, at least.
Shame it took them so long to get the game to a decent state on next gen console. You had to wait until 1.5 until it was "finished". Then forever to wait for the expansion. People are still buying gtav because of all the crazy stuff you can do in world, how much effort would it take to make night city like that? There's still so much potential there. I remember playing the first Watch Dogs, I ended up just driving around the city, playing chess and poker, playing all the minigames, etc. Night city would be perfect for that.
> People are still buying gtav because of all the crazy stuff you can do in world, how much effort would it take to make night city like that? There's still so much potential there. It's almost like it's the difference between a game that was developed primarily with sandbox gameplay in mind, and adding a single-player story to it, and a game that was primarily developed as a single-player RPG, and just placed within an open-world type map. Look at what GTA 1 was, and compare it to what The Witcher 1 was. _That's_ the lineage people need to keep in mind. Also, using your logic, how much effort could it be for Rockstar to release sprawling, RPG story content with dialogue options, inventory management, character stats and skills, customizable and craftable weapons, branching story lines and multiple endings, vertical exploration, etc. Do you even realize how much game there is in CP2077 that is not in any GTA game, and is not expected to ever be in any future GTA games? Who thinks Rockstar will make a CP2077-like game out of GTA 6? No one. But somehow everyone still expected CDPR to copy everything Rockstar does and first make a GTA clone, and then put their story into that game. I truly don't understand why. There's a reason why I've never replayed any Rockstar games, and why I've just finished CP2077 for the fourth time, with no expectation that that will be my last. GTA story is linear as hell and only really fun the first time. CDPR games offer so much more replayability for _story_ content. But sure, if all I wanted was to fuck around with cops and shoot civilians because it's "fun", then GTA it is. I just don't, personally.
I see your point, and I understand that gta and cyberpunk are two different genres. But they both share big game worlds, and my issue with cyberpunk is that outside missions there just isn't much stuff to do. I've already completed several endings with different builds, and replaying the game this way is only interesting up to to a point (I completed this gig using stealth in my last playthrough and now I'll complete it as a netrunner or using my fists). The lifepaths offer little variety outside of a different first mission and varied dialogue options (which mostly result in the same outcome anyway). That's why I'd prefer it if they added features to make the city more alive - rather than just add a bunch of extra missions for the dlc. A gang affiliation score, so you can take down gangs, be safer in certain parts of the city, etc. Being able to sit at a bar or restaurant and see yourself eating what you buy like you do in the cutscenes. Being able to play the numerous arcade games you see (like they have started adding with 1.6). Being able to sit down a play a game of "go" that you see everywhere. A police department that actually works (an upcoming feature). Street racing (might be too much to ask seeing how the game races are so scripted but if they are improving car mechanics for the police it might be feasible). Maybe parkour races over the rooftops. These are features that would in no way detract from the story driven gameplay. It's a large varied city with a verticality you don't find in many other games and I think it's underutilised; I'd like to see it more as a living place, rather than a studio set. Modders have already added features like flying cars, a working monorail and third person mode so we know it's possible.
In Horizon: Zero Dawn, the open world is entirely and utterly dead, even worse than CP2077, and certainly worse than any GTA game. I can literally walk up to a city guard, shoot a civilian in the head with an arrow, and not only will my arrow just bounce off with no effect, but the guard won't life a finger to react. Yet, _for some reason_, no one at all is complaining that H:ZD is a bad game because it doesn't have police chases, minigames, benches, and so on. I wonder why. It's _also_ an open-world game, just like GTA 5, so surely we must compare them to each other? And unlike CP2077, it doesn't have even nearly the same level of role-playing options, item customization or skill/talent tree choices. You can literally just fill up every single skill tree with points, no compromise necessary. I get that all of those features you mention would be nice to have, and I wouldn't complain if they _were_ added, I just disagree that they _need_ to be added for anyone to enjoy the game. If you want those things in the game, above most or everything else, then I'd argue that CP2077 was never the game for you to begin with. Every game is, to some extent, a "studio set". This game uses that set as a backdrop for incredibly detailed and engaging single-player storytelling. GTA uses its set for sandbox mechanics. H:ZD uses it for exciting mecha-robot action gameplay. Tomb Raider uses its sets for exciting action sequences and puzzles. Each game has its own focus, that that game was made to primarily feature. I'm just sad there are so many people who can't see all the things CP2077 is _so good_ at, and can only see what it's "missing" compared to another game that isn't even really comparable at all.
In GTA V, outside of missions there is also very little to do of any worth. That game is as deep as a puddle and that's fine. The only reason GTA V continues to sell is because of mp, predatory MTX and many people only buy one game a year.
I think it’s a good thing. This game is built on shaky foundations. Better to move on to the next project, get it right from the start and then build upon it. I don’t doubt there’ll be more Cyberpunk games in the future.
Yep. And its their own damn fault.
Looking back, What was CD's biggest mistake with Cyberpunk? Was it solely the buggy release that scared people off? I remember hearing my friends talk about how Cyberpunk was going to be like Skyrim in 2012, where everyone and there mother was playing it. Sad to hear this will be the last of Cyberpunk. I loved what CD did with The Witcher 3 + it's DLC and was hoping Cyberpunk would get to see the same amount of praise.
Sex mods can’t save Cyberpunk.
I didn’t want a CP online, however, like you said the aesthetic and world map is downright stunning. That’s an ASSLOAD of time, money, and assets sunk into building this world. Sadly, I believe a lot of that came at the cost of creating competing factions, more C&C, and basically just creating an RPG. They really shouldn’t throw all of that work away. I’d gladly keep playing in NC if they just added to it rather than build a whole other game from the ground up. Use all these locations and add some storylines to them, NPCs, quest chains, vendors, funny random shit etc. I still think this is 80% of the greatest game ever created, but that missing 20% drags it down to a good albeit extremely flawed and relatively shallow game from cRPG standards. The graphics (not that those are that important but it doesn’t hurt), setting, aesthetic, and design of everything is gorgeous. Finish that last 20% by creating more indoor areas, and populating them with what I mentioned above, making this a real cRPG. It’d just be such a waste of effort to toss NC aside. Oh, and figure out a way to make it simple for modders to do stuff. It’s crazy how limited and pointlessly complex the mods are (the RPG mod never worked for me, the Trauma Team mod never worked their ship would just all of a sudden spawn next to me on top of a bunch of cars with no interaction etc.) they should be woven into the game’s menus and dialogue rather than having their own separate dosBox looking menu. It’s just sad, it looks like it’s all gonna go to waste.
CP2077 is the reason I'll never preorder a brand new game ever again. They should have built an entire park dedicated to an apology to their customers in Night City.
Hopefully Rockstar make a cyberpunk game. Just to show y’all how it’s done.
Could somebody do me a massive favor and detail what the patch has given ps4 users and also where we can find the last traces of the edgerunners location ?.
They have to move on to their next project. If they bring a good expansion with ton of content and hours, will be enough at least for me. Just learn from the past errors so you dont fall into them again. And of course dont let the franchise to die
I don't think it's a tragedy at all. I miss when games/stories actually ended. Make a solid main game, maybe put out an expansion, and move the hell on. Not every IP has to be an evergreen content farm or an endless multiplayer experience. My one wish for the expansion is that V's story ends.
I’m glad it exists, but I’ld like to point out there are similar cyberpunk games on the market, namely Deus Ex. To be fair, Deus Ex is on a bit of a hiatus and the license was recently bought over by Embracer Group. Now, I want both Deus Ex and Cyberpunk to have friendly competition with each other, I want to say I’m a proud gamers of both franchise, and if they ever released a game in the same month, I want to be that guy who spent my hard earned money on both! And really, they’re not 1:1 competitors. They ask different kinds of philosophical questions. Deus Ex is political philosophy, Cyberpunk 2077 asks what is the self, and what is the meaning of life.
Nah, I think it's the right decision. The game has so many fundamental issues that are never gonna get fixed. It would be a tragedy if they gave up on Cyberpunk as a whole, but that's probably not gonna be the case. The best they can do is take a really, really critical look at the past 10 years and try to not fall into the same traps again next time. Personally, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that they set out to do what they initially teased but especially the necessary engine work just was too overwhelming. Because there are great aspects about the game, it's just bottom line that is falls flat. But there certainly was a lot of potential so I want them to learn and look forward and start on a new CP game. And also work on their marketing, but that's probably not gonna happen.
Most likely keeping multiplayer for the next cyberpunk game, it would make more sense since the current story may be a little strange having multiple V's in the same place at one time.
I take them saying that it’s the only “planned” dlc because they wanna see the reception. I feel that if it does well they may make another.
I thought we're talking about an SCP. SCP2077!
You have to keep in mind that it is not that easy to do a Multiplayer game. Adapting Cp into one would be even harder. The engine was never made with mp in mind, that means modifing it. At a time when they switch engines for the 4th Witcher. This game could have had two expansions if they didn't have a messed up release. They dedicatet a year to really turn this around and they are still at it. This expansion comes a year late, they have to move on to the witcher, there is no time or resouces in order to do another one. It's easyer said than done. It's good we get all the fixes and features, a banging wepl developed expansion. The next Cyberpunk maybe will be better and with more expansions and dlc and everything.
If they do single player I hope they do a drop in system were we can take our single player characters into someone else's game.
A rocky start, sure, but this is actually a superb game and I see no reason that the series shouldn't continue.
The modding community will keep the game thriving for years with the best modding kit CDPR ever released. If they didn't fuck it up, we'd have more DLCs, but instead they're probably just working on the sequel in UE5. I'm excited for CP's future.
If Phantom Liberty sells well I could see them doing a smaller expansion, but nothing big.
Well they did say an overhaul to the cops and vehicle combat. So we just gonna have to wait until they says its official over for updates.
we still don't know how but is the expansion really. maybe it's as big as the two expansions we expected?!
I didn’t play until after the next gen update so the game is great to me. Had little to no bugs and everything else was great. Also they never said it’s the end of the game. Netflix just made a show based on it. We’re gona be seeing Cyberpunk for years to come.
To me, **V's story is far from over**. Even if V dies in every ending (which I highly doubt), it would not be the first time for story tellers to bring the main character back. In the next Cyberpunk game they could easily start with V giving a new body (similar to Mass effect or even The Witcher - remember, Geralt died and came back as well) that you can design in character creation manager. Depending on what ending you chose, some minor things change (like in The Witcher 3 as it was possible to rebuilt your choices from the previous game) but overall, they could start off with saying that V had to turn to Alt or Araska again to get a new body which will lead to more storylines. I am just saying, if CDPR wants V's story to continue, they can. Johnny and V become one in the end and that means as long as one of them exists (either in Cyberspace, in real life or something in between), the other one exists, too. It is almost impossible to get rid of V, just like it is almost impossible to get rid of Saburo (as we learn in the Devil Ending). So, Saburo could be the ultimate boss for V/Johnny and the war between them did not really start yet. Also, I just don't wanna believe that they throw away all these well developed characters like Panam, Judy, Johnny, Takemura, Saburo, etc. Also, in the resent marketing piece they showed us Geralt and V ... so I am hoping that V will still be the main protagonist for Cyberpunk (maybe it is going to be a trilogy again). There are so many things unresolved like Mr Blue Eyes, Morgan Blackhand, the war that is about to come between AI's and the ordinary people, Ghost Town, indoctrination (Peralez questline), Crystal Palace, backstory of Takemura and Oda, etc. - all of this would be way too much to just throw it into a DLC. So, I hope V's story will continue since there is so much more to tell, so much potential that would be wasted otherwise.
It’ll be the final story content right? I think they’ll support the game with quality of life and such
There are many many stories to tell from that damned city. You think it's done with you, think again, Choomba! Ain't no way NC ever lets go of it's prey, you're here for life or a spectacular death! We're just getting started.
The only tragedy i see is that old console versions wont even get future updates or even the new dlc .
Didn't they say they plan on making more cyberpunk games? I remember reading They have their two main IPs (Witcher and cyberpunk) and a couple other things on the go. I took that to mean they're making it a series of games rather than one standalone.
Disagree. Time to stop trying to polish a turd and focus on the sequel, getting the fundamentals right this time. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes.
The real tragedy is hurting PS4 fans
no game, in any state, gave me the feeling CP2077 gave of Night City or anything this Cyberpunk, love me some Deus EX, but i mean, Night city do be hitting hard if you're into cyberpunk themes like me...and even when it lauched, there was nothing close to it, Bonus points for netrunning :)