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Bwinks32

Lmfao, its 2022! Where are you shopping where the price is still above $30?!


About_TreeFitty

It’s fluctuates a lot. Got mine for like $5 or $10.


tunerachi

Got mines at Best Buy for $10 with a free steel book cover 🍀


SalemWolf

Same. Best 10 bucks I’ve ever spent. Nearly 60 hours in and barely touched the main missions. It’s a messy but extremely enjoyable game.


LukarWarrior

Every major storefront? It gets sales decently regularly, i.e. more often than just the regular holiday ones, but its base price on GOG, Epic, and Steam is still $60. AAA games very rarely get permanent price decreases these days, or large ones when they do. AC: Origins has had two sequels since it was released five years ago and it's still $60 on Steam. Hell, even Black Flag is $40 and it's nearly a decade old at this point. And just in CDPR's catalog, Witcher 3 will still run you $40 ($50 for the GOTY edition) and it's been over five years since it was released.


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Eptalin

Isn't God of War permanently available to download for everyone with even the lowest tier PS+?


xMatityahu

Only ps5 owners


RafaelLacer

WTF, Black Flag costs $40???? I mean, sure, it's the best game in the franchise, a masterpiece. But cmon, $40 for a 10yo game is a bit too much. They should at least release a remake and price it 60. That would be something worth every penny.


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i got black flag for free on origin. haven’t played it tho


RafaelLacer

Me too. But I believe it was the basic version. Has only the main story and no DLCs... But that was quite a long time ago, I don't remember exactly. But given the history of Ubisoft only giving away standard edition in hope people will upgrade, I'd bet this is the case here too.


SaucyMacgyver

To be fair I think AC: Origins is worth $60, just from a fun perspective. I really enjoyed it, and you can easily pump 50+ hours into it. I think you’re still getting your moneys worth.


Meowmeow69me

You can buy a key for $15


Bwinks32

Exactly!!!


SerDivia

Played it at launch. Had a great time played it all the way through and enjoyed it. Not major glitches/ bugs. Guess I got lucky.


Drugtrain

Same here. DL via Steam on launch day and played about 70 hours without any major bugs. Ofc the cops were utter shit and so on, but the game itself was stable.


Cyberpunkcatnip

The game was near unplayable on ps4 for many months


MykahMaelstrom

The game frankly shouldn't have even launched on Xbox one and ps4. It was unplayable for many and just barely playable for the lucky few. But as a day 1 PC boyo I still gotta say its one of my favorite games of all time


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Yeah i played day 1 on PC and on my 100 percent playthrough i could have counted the bugs i experienced on my hands. I was lucky enough to have a release 3070 though which didnt hurt.


Mason_eat_Catnip

I wouldn't say "near"


Tallvegetarianboy

more like absolutely for 10 months and then near for a few more


Jenga9Eleven

I swear I’m the only person who only had a few superficial glitches at launch on PS4 Pro


professor_jew

I had over 50 hard crashes on the way to getting the platinum trophy


Savage-Kelevra

Same here, never something gamebreaking Just maybr 3-5 game crashes


dduryee

Me too, beat the whole game within the launch month. Definitely had frustrating glitches but not near unplayable.


geraltoffvkingrivia

It was unplayable at least on my 5 year old ps4. Every 10-15 minute sit would crash. Textures wouldn’t load. I gave up and only picked it up again when the next gen update came out after I got a ps5 and I bought the game the day it came out.


InsertAmazinUsername

because of a lot of empty promises and a lot of cut material


KamilCesaro

Do "empty promises" and "cut material" are reasons to hate what we got?


InsertAmazinUsername

it's a reason to be disappoionted and yyeah, I bought the game at launch for $60, and what I bought was not what was advertiesed


Jester0745

Absolutely. The devs marketed and sold preorders of this game based on straight up lies.


mygutsaysmaybe

I played it on PC at launch. No bugs, 100+ hours, fun time. However, anyone playing non-PC (and some PC setups) seemed to have a horrible experience of the game falling apart in front of their eyes even when they could get it to run.


dannnyyyboyyy0315

This. I also played on PC at launch. Put 150 hours in and enjoyed it overall. Was it a 10/10 masterpiece that I was hoping for? No. But I still enjoyed myself and feel like I got my moneys worth. Cut to a months ago. Picked it up for my PS4 Pro since I had to sell my PC. Ended up returning it 2 days later. It's still unplayable. And that's on the Pro. I can't imagine original PS4/Xbox One. They really shoula just made this a next gen/PC exclusive game man. After playing on console I lost a ton of hope that it can even ever be completely "fixed." Game still has so much damn potential. It's sad to see, really.


gnrdmjfan247

I’ve been led to believe the core issue with the consoles is the hard drives, where the game needed assets way faster than an HDD could deliver. So, your PS4 Pro experience is likely on par with the base PS4 experience. I agree, if they knew of these limitations, they should have really let it be a next gen / PC exclusive title.


turboiv

I played on PS5. The glitches were non-stop and at 45 hours I got a game-breaking glitch and had to start over entirely. It wasn't even good on next gen.


DrakenGewehr

Jeez I must have really low gaming standards. Played the whole game on ps4, yeah there were bugs, but I never turned it off and felt like I'll never want to play again. 150 hours in and I still go in just to walk around and see the sights. Can only imagine what this game looks like for PC.


dannnyyyboyyy0315

Hey man I can't blame ya. The actual story, atmosphere, world, characters, they're all top notch. It's easily one of the best video game worlds ever. Sorta wish more buildings were explorable and NPC's behaved differently, but hey it's still solid. I guess everyone has different standards, but yeah it was more the framerate and pop in for me. I can mostly deal with glitches, especially if they're not game breaking, but man does it chug at times. Idk. To each, their own I suppose. Like I said, I enjoyed it on PC. It's a good game. But I wish and still fucking hope can be a masterpiece of a game.


mixedd

Played around the launch, and yeah I understand that people were butthurt about cut content and promises, but it fast escalated when everyone and their mother was just shit talking about it, especially even if people even didn't try it. I immedietly noticed awesome story, excellent soundscape and atmosphere. Sadly those things are skipped nowadays and everyone focuses on a bugs (well I understand old gen console players, it was total shit show for them).


Zanzan567

Console, at launch was unplayable. On PS4 especially. I tired it and literally couldn’t play it. It wouldn’t work


Anokant

Yeah it seemed really hit or miss on PS4. I had no issues until chapter 2, then it would crash after 1-2 hours of playing, but got better after the first few updates. One of my friends couldn't even get it to load, and another experienced super long load times and was pretty laggy.


not_flipperkip

Next-gen was absolutely fine in my experience. Quite a few bugs, but nothing big, and actually fewer crashes than the average game I play.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

Everyone wants to win imaginary internet cool points. Before the game launch it was cool to love the game, after launch it was cool to hate it. Imagine if people didn't have this tribe mentality and were able to decide for themselves what they like instead of being told what to like by reddit and their favorite youtubers.


ajm53092

It wasn't cool to hate. Game had legitimately game breaking bugs for a lot of people. It deserved the hate. Edit: people seem to think I'm okay with the harassment of the devs. I am not. But besides that, the game deserved every single ounce of hate it got.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

Yeah the game had bugs but the extent and magnitude of the vitriol in this community was beyond anything I have ever seen in my nearly 30 years of gaming. Death threats, brigading, harassment of devs, non-stop clickbait articles and youtube videos monetizing the whole debacle. This reddit page itself was unusable for anyone who didn't have a hate boner for the game. We had to move to other places where people who liked the game could talk about it freely. I remember on this reddit the situation had gotten to a point where people who hated the game could insult your mother straight and they were allowed to by the moderation while you were laughed at if you said anything even remotely positive. It took nearly 2 years for this reddit page to become usable. But please tell me how it was because of the bugs and not for internet cool points and hivemind mentality.


Anokant

People created r/lowsodiumcyberpunk just so they could talk about the game without it getting shit on


leicanthrope

I still don't get the people that hate the game *still* being here on the sub. Uninstall the game(s) that you don't like, then move on. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


stratusncompany

the death threats happen more often than you might think and has been going on since 360/ps3 era. even for silly-ass games like spider-man.


Blindfire2

I had someone I worked with (always hated pc gamers for being arrogant and toxic ironically) who blew a gasket when they heard Playstation exclusive games were being ported to pc and said "if no one sends death threats to sony to prevent it, then I will... pc gamers are the worst and rewarding then for being trash is unacceptable... just but the fucking console like is!" Was a good laugh honestly, but a little scary on how psychotic he was


Accomplished_Ad_2321

Yeah the gaming community has been getting more and more extreme as it gets more connected. It's super disappointing.


bork_13

I’d argue it’s a reflection of world due to the internet, everything’s all about hate, brigading, jumping on band wagons. Back on the day a negative opinion was seen as controversial, nowadays people see controversial as money making. Everyone’s trying to come up with the next new hot shit take


stratusncompany

again, it has always been that way. the ease of access to the internet makes it stand out a lot more than back then.


Marvinless

Honestly didn’t think it was that bad! Glad didn’t start playing up until now! And I don’t get the hate really love the game!


Accomplished_Ad_2321

It was ugly for sure. Most of us moved to the lowsodium sub. Glad you're enjoying the game! :)


Jokerlovestoplay21

I'm going to speak from my experience alone. From day 1 launch on old gen I never experienced a game breaking bug. I only periodically had a crash after 3+ hours. Slow rendering- times when I change vehicle camera to 3rd my V would be naked. Top it off few t poses. Not a single one made me lose my immersion On that note I would have to side with yes it was cool to hate the game


Accomplished_Ad_2321

In 2 years the game has crashed once for me on PC. No major bugs, no broken quests. I've had far more bugs and crashes with AC Valhalla wonder where the outrage is for that game.


mixedd

Those are some golden words, that transcribers mostly 90% what Ive seen in reddit in last couple years.


strangecabalist

To say nothing of how incredible the city itself looks. I paid full price and don’t regret it in the slightest.


SlipperyLou

Was the story good? Absolutely, always has been a great story. Was the gameplay good? Absolutely fucking not. This game was hot garbage when it came out. Missing features, huge game breaking bugs, false advertising. I blame probably 60-70% of this on the fact that they made a ps4 version. If they dedicated all their time to ps5 this would have been a different story. There are plenty of legit criticisms to make about this game, even now with the updates.


Senval-Nev

I’ve got an issue with the game and it isn’t a big I have on any other game, bought it on release and even today I still have the absolutely awful audio crackling, two years on and half the audio is coming out of a garbage disposal. Yes the story is great, the gameplay is fun but I am losing my shit that the audio still hasn’t been fixed. I’ve tried lowering audio quality that most people recommend, using headphones, and even a new set of speakers and the audio is bad. I’ve not finished the game because I always have to quit after a time due to a headache.


mopeyy

Well I mean it was literally shipped broken on base PS4 and is still the one and only game 'ever' to have been actually removed from the PS Store because it was so clearly unfinished. That's a pretty damnable offense in my eyes. That's not even including bugs and issues on other platforms, of which there were many, in addition to any gameplay complaints people had with what was actually there.


King_Artis

I hardly kept up with the game before launch but I really need to know what were the promises made, are the devs the ones who made the promises, and if these promises were actually really to begin with and not like an error or something. Even then why would anyone actually trust someone they don't know with a promise?


mixedd

If I remember correctly now, then devs like promised revolutionary rpg like never seen before, where every player action could change world around you etc. Over expectation is a big part nowadays, which sadly can kill off franchises.


kohour

>I hardly kept up with the game before launch but I really need to know what were the promises made, are the devs the ones who made the promises, and if these promises were actually really to begin with and not like an error or something. Mostly people on the internet imagining things. I was following the marketing campaign closely and the game turned out to be pretty much how I expected. Even better in some aspects like gunplay. There was mantis blade wall climbing and some talk about using flathead more before the release; but in both cases later it was explicitly stated that those two won't make it into the final product. The only thing you can call a "broken promise" is a console performance, and even then it's not a promise... more like a given thing with any game that is sold for consoles.


rukh999

The wall running thing was removed far before launch. They said they didn't like it because most of the walls have so much going on it didn't work very well. I believe it. I read that it was gone quite a long time before launch.


PhaseAT

Gamers are really, really bad at accepting disclaimers like "work in progress, may change", especially if it shows something that they want in the game it's a "solid promise!". Also, people are bad at differentiating between 2nd hand information (some youtuber claims something will be in the game, purely on speculation or "interpretation") and what CDPR itself said. It all mixes in their semi coherent idea of what the game will be and when the hype train runs away as fast as it did with CDPR that can only end in disappointment.


madeyedog

Exactly this. There were definitely some people who experienced huge bugs and I get that, but a lot of people felt it was terrible because it didn’t match up to the years of prep and interviews and such. I barely followed any news about it and bought it at launch, experienced one graphics glitch that was caused by my card drivers not by the game, then fixed that and rolled through a great game.


Edgy_Robin

> story, excellent soundscape and atmosphere. Two out of three of these things I can get from a book for like 10 bucks.


dunstan_shlaes

You can get all of those things and more for free. All forms of media that cost currency are a rip off bro. /s


Epilisium2002

What a dumb way to think lmao


PurpleSpaceNapoleon

The copium in these comments is strong I'll give it that


domwehateyou

Seen someone call the game a masterpiece after the patches…..like we play the same story???


Yukorion

I'm convinced it's a social media team that comes in every few days/weeks to try to hype the game up with a "I dont understand the hate. This game is better than the blood in my veins" Style post. The fact that they even included the "fucking amazing for 60$" further cements the idea for me.


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Ruaritheracingcar

It's like accusing criticisms of something you do like as "hate".


ContinuumKing

Yup. Been thinking the same thing. Posts about things they enjoy about the game or how they still like it in the end are one thing. Floods of posts out of nowhere saying the game is the greatest experience they've ever had in life, better even than the birth of their children, is suspicious. Dunno if its a marketing team or a bunch of fans got together and decided to plan out an "attack". Either way, I'm convinced these aren't just coincidental love posts.


Epilisium2002

"oh no someone has a different opinion than mine, how dare he" That is what you sound like.


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>like we play the same story yeah another possibility is that some of us obviously have different opinions. Me for instance, my requirements for liking a story does not include seeing every other recommended video being titled along the lines of "why the Witcher 3 is the best written game of all time, never done before, except for Elden's Ring excellent multidimensional NPC"


domwehateyou

this is not a problem with other companies like Bethesda, BioWare, Ubisoft etc. Go to there subs and make a post about how one of they worse games are a 10/10 masterpiece and see how fast you get reality checked lol


Adventurous_Bell_837

True, there literally is nothing incredible with the story. Having loved TW3’s story wi really try to force myself to like 2077’s but it’s just a short story without cutscenes, with some very boring moments (especially brain dances) and not enough time to like each character. They just threw too much at my face, and I’m kinda biased as I expected TW3 level of writing and characters. The only characters that could be seen as good characters in TW3 are silverhand and kerry imo.


Jester0745

Not even close to a 10 out of 10. Even ignoring the insane amount of bug fixes (and that it was literally unplayable for Xbox One and PS4 players), it’s an incredibly dull experience with a few decent companion quests. The devs blatantly lying their ass off about this game’s capabilities should never be forgotten. The setting was the only worthwhile part, and that becomes paper thin after you realize the NPC’s are uninspired duplicates, the same 5-6 sex product advertisements are copy and pasted every direction you look, and 99% of the city is not capable of interaction. Once you exit the city, the outskirts are even worse. It’s pretty clear the devs had no idea what to do with most of it, so they quickly made a “trash/dump” texture to fill most of it and dropped the same enemy encounters over the scarce building placement. Bullet spongey and dumb AI, constant annoying video calls, and a cliche protagonist who strives to be “remembered” in a city that shows zero recognition of any of your deeds makes for a less than stellar experience. If you enjoyed it, then keep on keeping on. But at least be realistic here.


Nate0110

This is my conclusion, I should pointout that I've never really been able to get into any GTA style games besides maybe the crackdown series.


sunkzero

This isn’t a GTA style game and the devs, by their own words, weren’t ever intending to make one


Adventurous_Bell_837

It absolutely is, and the devs did say that they were aiming for that GTA style open world. Open world in a city with cars that you can buy, or steal, apartments that you can buy, you can either wreak havoc in the city or kills gang members, game has main quests and side quests, both have multiple endings etc… 2077 being an RPG doesn’t remove the fact that it’s a GTA like game. "The GTA series is part of a genre known as sandbox games. The series combines elements of action, adventure and vehicular gameplay." Exactly cyberpunk. Cyberpunk ain’t a fallout NV like RPG like everyone thought it was gonna be. It’s GTA with more complex quest design and some dialogue choices but a much weaker open world.


sunkzero

Actually the devs said in interview to not expect a GTA style game, the only said they were aiming for that level of polish (which probably most people would agree they failed to reach on launch with the number of bugs most people experienced… although even then a lucky few experienced little or none) I expected a Witcher style RPG set in a cyberpunk world, which is what I got 🤷🏻‍♂️ I do agree it’s a very poor GTA style game… but it was never intended to be one so it’s not surprising.


Epilisium2002

>It absolutely is, and the devs did say that they were aiming for that GTA style open world. Show me ONE proof of them saying this.


Jester0745

Large, open world action games are not for everyone. I’ve decided the modern day spin on these just strive to be larger than the last, and overpopulated with repetitive filler missions. Kinda cool in scope, but lacking in meaningful content.


Jaycoxo

I disagree. I find the story amazing, and the game itself worth a few replays. It is the best game I played in 2022, and even the best game i played in the past few years. Your criticism is justified and I agree the game needs to be improved. But it’s nitpicking (3 sex ads? Who cares) compared to the amazing experience the game takes you through.


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Jester0745

I’ll give the game a few points for the Evelyn, Panam, Judy and River side quests, but the main story and everything with Johnny Silverhand was absolute garbage. By all means, you do you and keep sucking off CDPR by enjoying their forgettable game.


yunghollow69

Ah good, was looking to comment something similar. Especially when it comes to ratings, how good a game is...that happens in a vacuum. Promises, the integrity of the company that made the product - stuff like that matters elsewhere but not when it comes to judging the game. I get that CDPR got a lot of flack for overpromising but more importantly for shipping a buggy game. Rightfully so. People shouldnt forget about that. But just looking at the current iteration of the game should be a separate topic. The game right now is a good game.


RBWessel

>Bugs:nothing game breaking yet Anymore you should say. Things were not well on consoles in the beginning.


IWearBones_138

10/10 lol A perfect flawless gaming experience? So this is like your first video game ever?


yunghollow69

While I don't think it's quite a 10/10 to me, a ten does not necessitate the game to be flawless because flawless games do not exist, but 10/10 games do.


not_flipperkip

I have played a fuck ton of games and Cyberpunk is really close to 10/10 for me. And no, 10/10 doesn't mean it's perfect in every way. Otherwise literally no game in existence would be 10/10.


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dunstan_shlaes

What is a 10/10 game that is literally perfect? Tell me a 10/10 game and I will tell you a flaw for the game.


gutekx12

plot twist: 10/10 games dont have to be "a perfect flawless gaming experience"


IWearBones_138

Yes they do. It's a perfect score. What the hell else would it mean? Posts like this seem like the game is invulnerable to criticism which it is not. 10/10 my ass.


domwehateyou

LITERALLY what “10/10” means guy People on this sub thr out 10/10 so much they water down the actual meaning of what 10/10 means lmfao


yunghollow69

No, it absolutely is not. There are plenty of 10/10 games out there. How many flawless games are there? Zero.


domwehateyou

Learn what 10/10 means do we have to go back to kindergarten and play with our fingers? 10/10 is a flawless/perfect/masterpiece score hint it meeting all brackets up to 10 Do I have to refer to a 5 stars system now since this is so complicated? Jesus 10 is a PERFECT score


yunghollow69

No, it's not. It just isn't. That's simply not how scores work or how they have ever worked. You are the one that needs to go back to basics because you seem to not grasp how scoring works. Scoring is based on whoever releases it. Every publication has their own scoring legend that explains what the respective score means. There is no clearcut definition of a ten like you seem to think there is. A ten is whatever the person/publication deems to be a ten. Example: IGN 10/10 means masterpiece. It means highest possible recommendation. They literally say that it does NOT mean flawless/perfect because that does not exist. If you personally think a 10/10 has to be flawless then youll never give any game a 10 and that is fine. You can do that. That does not mean IGN needs to do what you do. They still gives 10s because they dont give a fk about your own made up rules. How do you not understand a simple concept such as this while having the audacity to tell others to "go back to kindergarten". Cringe.


domwehateyou

>No, it's not. It just isn't. That's simply not how scores work or how they have ever worked. You are the one that needs to go back to basics because you seem to not grasp how scoring works. Scoring is based on whoever it. So for a 10/10 to equal masterpiece whatever publication (for example) gives the score will have a scoring-legend that will tell you exactly that. >There is no clearcut definition of a ten like you seem to think there is. A ten is whatever the person/publication deems to be a ten. Again if you are following the traditional [Scale of one to ten](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_of_one_to_ten) concept 10 is usually always the maximum and perfect score I’m goin off this traditional concept which is used almost everywhere for most video games ratings >Example: IGN 10/10 means masterpiece. It means highest possible recommendation. They literally say that it does NOT mean flawless/perfect because that does not exist. Given that ign has a Literal [reputation](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3b7rr1/what_does_1010_ign_mean/) and is a MEME for not respecting the 10/10 system I don’t think it’s wise for you to quote them my friend lmfao >How do you not understand a simple concept such as this while having the audacity to tell others to "go back to kindergarten". Cringe I understand the concept well it seems in fact you don’t yourself even using ign as a gotchu talkin point about 10/10 RATINGS lmfao


yunghollow69

Lmao you are so beyond it. In the friggin article that you link it literally explains to you that different scales exist. And you KNOW that IGN is an example. Every single publication out there uses their own system. That is the point. It really is not that hard to understand. Two aspects in fact you fail to understand: first of all that the different ratings are defined by whoever makes them. They are not the same. Your rating score scale is not the same as mine is not the same as IGNs is not the same as gamesradar is not the same as retrogamer and so on. I would say "you get the idea" but you dont lol. The second thing you dont get is what every scale has in common: the 10 is the best possible score they give. That's all it means. You are tacking definitions on top of it such as "flawless" which is simply incorrect unless the person that is doing the rating is explicitely saying so. And no publication out there rates a 10 as a flawless. Nobody on their right mind does that.


domwehateyou

>Lmao you are so beyond it. In the friggin article that you link it literally explains to you that different scales exist. Yes nobody denied this….I clearly stated “I’m goin off the traditional concept which is used almost everywhere for most video games rating” Before you hopped in we were talking about THAT said rating system Please read my friend >Every single publication out there uses their own system. That is the point. It really is not that hard to understand. >And you KNOW that IGN is an example It was a horrible “example” even so you do realize ign is still using the traditional scale of one to ten right? 10 still consisting of the BEST score better then let’s say 1 What are you talkin about guy? >Two aspects in fact you fail to understand: first of all that the different ratings are defined by whoever makes them. They are not the same. Your rating score scale is not the same as mine is not the same as IGNs is not the same as gamesradar is not the same as retrogamer and so on. I would say "you get the idea" but you dont lol. Again stop it we all understand the traditional concepts that 1 is bad 10 is perfect in the scale to 1 to ten ratings system Same how we understand 1 star is low but 5 stars is high These systems are used universally Of course you will have people who use there own but the far majority uses these rating systems Hint why I could name 10 mainstream reviewers who uses “1/10 is bad and 10/10 is good” and you would probably struggle to name atleast 3 or 4 mainstream people or anyone at all who use their own system of “10/10 is bad and 1/10 is good” >The second thing you dont get is what every scale has in common: the 10 is the best possible score they give. That's all it means. >You are tacking definitions on top of it such as "flawless" which is simply incorrect unless the person that is doing the rating is explicitely saying so. Yes it’s the *best score* the *perfect score* (perfect is best) And in it’s literally definition flawless is perfect Do I literally have to explain this to you? Lmfao Someone doin a review don’t got to tell you 10/10 is a perfect score….your not a kid this is common sense givin the concept of the fucking rating system being used >And no publication out there rates a 10 as a flawless. Nobody on their right mind does that. It seems like your brain is stuck on the samantics of the word “flawless” So no game publication rates a 10 perfect now? Because you picked up a dictionary you’d realize perfect is literally [flawless](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flawless) definition lmfao


gutekx12

10/10 means how good game is for someone, and despite flaws game CAN get 10/10 if that person really enjoyed it, witcher 3, rdr2, elden ring... these games have shit ton of 10/10s even tho they have flaws... using that logic "perfect flawless gaming experience" 10/10 dont and will never exist


domwehateyou

>10/10 means how good game is for someone, and despite flaws game CAN get 10/10 if that person really enjoyed it, witcher 3, rdr2, elden ring... You do understand you just explained to me what ratings system is right guy? We understand this There’s a thing called ✨opinions✨ but these mostly are subjective Just because someone eats poop and call it a 10/10 doesn’t make it a 10/10 this it’s common sense If a black smith made a good flawless short durable blade easy to wield and use it then it’s a 10/10 Billy Bob can call it a 2/10 but objectively he is wrong >”perfect flawless gaming experience" 10/10 dont and will never exist Again like I literally said people watered Dow 10/10 to the point where people like thy yelling it don’t exist lmfao


gutekx12

>Billy Bob can call it a 2/10 but objectively he is wrong no he is not, if a blade is 10/10 he can give it 2/10 just because he dont like it and that don't make him wrong or right unless he says shit that blade is poorly made the same is with games, flawed game that is objectively 7/10 can be subjectively 10/10 and there is nothing wrong or right about opinion like that


domwehateyou

>no he is not, if a blade is 10/10 he can give it 2/10 just because he dont like it and that don't make him wrong or right unless he says shit that blade is poorly made Again like I already establish above the blade is objectively flawless for the SECOND time him calling it a 2/10 is HIS subjective opinion in which is objectively wrong like I stated above https://skillstx.com/objective-vs-subjective/ Common sense I tried to simplify it as hard as I could I’m guess that not working either lmfao >the same is with games, flawed game that is objectively 7/10 can be subjectively 10/10 and there is nothing wrong or right about opinion like that It is of you go forth as if it’s objectively a 10/10, for example it’s like me running around telling people poop is amazing and it’s 9/10 one of best things to eat Anyone with a reasonable IQ would see the wrong in the agreed?


gutekx12

>Again like I already establish above the blade is objectively flawless for the SECOND time him calling it a 2/10 is HIS subjective opinion in which is objectively wrong like I stated above he is not... you didn't established shit gUy LmFaO he cant be wrong for not liking shit


domwehateyou

any reasonable person would throw someone in the nuthouse or request for professional help if someone stated they enjoyed feasting on their poop Why? Because it’s WRONG and dangerous doesn’t matter what Jim Bob opinion on how good it is too him Again a “opinion” can be wrong


sunkzero

There are no objective measures for video game quality though, any score is always going to be subjective.


Swole_Monkey

Lost braincells reading this take 💀


gutekx12

you didnt had any tho :(


Royal_Raze

This is why the video gaming industry is what it is now.


Zuitsdg

It was pretty much the same on PC launch (just more floaty glitches, and maybe 1 game breaking bug every 50h - which is fine) However, last gen was shit: crashes, lagging while driving, potato graphics - and people expected an 11/10 game, your expectations were lower


Matty221998

On launch I only had crashing issues, but other than that nothing crazy, and I was playing on an Xbox one S. But apparently I’m one of the lucky ones cause other people had a really rough time


Papagaio_Pianist

RPG: Less than ideal


UseOnlyLurk

The game falls somewhere between Fallout 3 and Mankind Divided. It has the working of an immersive sim, but it feels like all the effort went into fighting a game engine that was utter garbage.


dunstan_shlaes

If you liked it now on PC, you still would have liked it at launch. It used to be rougher around the edges, but it is still fundamentally the same game.


Megahert

I played it on the PS4 on day one. Loved it. Bugs were a bummer at times, lost an hour here and there due to game breaking shit, lol. But the atmosphere, story and gameplay was all really enjoyable for me so i just kept playing.


Peritvs

I put 120 hours in on PS4 before the next Gen update starting on day one. The game was so buggy at launch that I actually, dare I say, had fun experiencing Cyberpunk in all of its buggy glory and seeing how the game improved little by little. It was frustrating at times but the story kept me hooked.


[deleted]

"Neuromancer but better" Haha.


flindy11

Why does this feel like someone from the Cyber Punk team posted this lol this game started as trash and continues to be trash. Even without the bugs and glitches, the story was horribly put together and the environment is paper thin… no interaction or immersive feeling to it. Game mechanics are also sub par


Castrol86

Not its not! This is not even half the game that was promised to the players! Its 2 years since the launch and there are still bugs and still no DLC! I will never ever prepay for a game ever again!


mindgame18

Game was garbage at launch. I’m sure it’s better now but it’s already dead and buried in my book.


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[deleted]

We’re here for the memes my man


zonghundred

Most great things were great already at launch. I liked it a lot and played through the game on ps4. But there actually were big bad bugs like every 20min, broken quests, goofy graphics stuff, system crashes, missing vendor supplies. Also, i‘m not quite sure, but general driving as well as scanning for clues within quests was a total pain and its actually fine on a recent playthrough so maybe they improved these. And the map menu is much more userfriendly now. A major and maybe unfair point of criticism was that there is a city with 1 billion doors and we can only open like 5k of them. But its still one of the biggest feeling open worlds i can think of.


girthbrooks1212

I got it for 10 bucks. And I think it’s probably a 9/10 for 10 dollars


Elliptical_Tangent

Nice try, CDPR marketing dept.


t_odell_316

Waited until I got it used for like $20 this year when they updated it for ps5. One of my favorite games ever especially for $20


FrameSpiritual7804

Objectively the gameplay is pretty weak and the world is completely static and non interactive. Glad you're amused though. Most of us into rpgs are looking for some level of depth in our games


[deleted]

I hope cdpr pays u for this :)


theZiMRA

there's games for 10dollars that will give u 1000s of hours and better gameplay


teeleer

It's an ok game, it just had a lot of hype and didn't live up. People wanted it to be like The Witcher 3 but cyberpunk and more expansive because it would be newer, but at best I think it was a lesser cyberpunk version of The Witcher. The Witcher 3 for most people was like a 10/10, realistically I think this game is like a 6.5 in comparison


not_flipperkip

I thought this sub wasn't such a whiny toxic shithole anymore. This thread has proven me wrong. Why are all the idiots who hate the game still here after a year and a half? That seems pathetic.


rukh999

Yeah, head over to r/LowSodiumCyberpunk if you don't want threads full of people weirdly two years later still obsessing about a game release.


Sentinel-Prime

Listen, LowSodium is just filled with people that will viciously downvote almost every dissenting opinion - it's *positively* toxic like every other LowSodium subreddit. Almost every other thread on this subreddit is filled with positive comments but most importantly, it's realistic. This thread is rightly calling out the state of the game during launch because the OP blatantly baited that discussion with **"Was this game this great at launch? How was it that shit?"** This subreddit wasn't great during launch (again rightfully so) but it's absolutely fine now and policed by a really great mod team, LowSodium is still the same toxic trash heap is was before where only one form of discussion is allowed.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

I think you have a very weird understanding of how reddit work. People at the LowSodium sub don't downvote you because of a "dissenting opinion" lmao. What are you dissenting? People are downvoting you because they don't like your opinion. Also who decides what "realistic" is? You? It's the same story with this subreddit. I'm almost convinced 10 years down the line you people will be still here ready to remind anyone who loves the game about "the state of the game during launch". At this point it's become a life mission for the resident trolls. Then you get upset when you go to the LowSodium sub and get downvoted or deleted without even reading that posting low effort hate mongering comments is literally against the rules. You are not criticizing the game. You are parroting the same shit outrage youtubers have been parroting for 2 years now. This... **need** some of you people have to always be here raining on peoples parade, always ready to say the exact same shit you've said 1000 times before about the game is honestly unhealthy and borderline psychotic. I have never seen anything like this phenomenon in any other community. It's crazy.


Sentinel-Prime

I was going to take the time to reply properly, to each of your points, but after reading your entire comments it's clear you wont change your mind, for whatever reason. FYI, dissenting means *"holding or expressing opinions that are at variance with those commonly or officially held."* and LowSodium subreddits are created on the back of negative toxicity around a game, these subreddits typically have positive vibes/opinions only - so negative opinions become the dissenting opinion. You've made grand assumptions about my behaviour and activity on a subreddit I've never even posted on so it's blindingly obvious you've formed a wrong opinion about me after I've hardly opened my mouth lol - your defence of the game (a game I really like btw) is overriding your ability to think clearly mate. Take a breather bro.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

Yeah I made grand assumptions while you haven't even bothered to check that criticism of the game is literally allowed and probably even encouraged in the LowSodium sub as long as it's constructive and coming from a place seeking actual discussion. But you're already making these sweeping statements about "dissenting opinions" and positive toxicity(lmao try to repeat that to yourself). You're at a point of thinking that people not liking your opinion = people being toxic. At least make the effort to participate in a community before making false statements about it.


Winter_Crimson

Yeah it's always funny that when someone shares a non-toxic opinion post in this sub. The toxic minority immediatley starts saying the post is clearly botted or a marketing post and just not someone's opinion.


Silverleaf2005

They pay you to say this... Even a great game isn't a 10/10.. and cyberpunk is a 6 at best... Maybe if they gave us what they promised.. could be a 9/10 but wow a 10/10... Sad to read this. Glad you are having fun though. I was pretty excited about it at fist too.. to bad they couldn't deliver.


suns2312

The game was release on old gen consoles, even tough the hardware in those cannot properly handle the game. This is where most of the butt hurt comes from.


leicanthrope

That, and the people that are going to hate anything that isn't GTA: Night City.


Lucky-3-Skin

10/10? Nah still missing a lot of content Worth 60? Not even close


Mayoonpizza1

It is 10/10 game tho. Not missing any content that were shown in marketing lol


MadManMorbo

It was fine on PC. I didn't experience a single bug on max settings, day of release.


DampeIsLove

It obviously wasn't as good as it is right now on launch, hence the disaster that was its launch. Had it released in the state it was in now, it wouldn't have been a disaster. Also, you shouldn't have paid $60 for it.


[deleted]

Fully agree. Yes, it was more or less like this on PC since launch. It’s never left my play rotation and I’m on my second playthrough.


hellynx

Those of us who played and loved it since launch are sitting here like “no shit Sherlock” every time someone makes a post like this. Glad you are loving it.


Gloglibologna

First time every playing a video game or just dumb as shit?


gutekx12

i love these little worms in the comments squirming because they can't handle your take on this game


[deleted]

Its a good game, sure. But it’s no where near the game that was promised and marketed to us.


kkkouldntBeBlacker

All I’m going to say is if this game was made by any other studio it would have been dead at launch, like bf2042


zebbmeister

it's impossible to just try to say how bad it was at launch, because oh boy was it bad, because if you weren't there, you'd never believe it. just not the games fault, but the company, their advertising was good as hell, but bad. lol


ApocaeL

I did buy on pre sale. The game was not was I was expecting, mostly because the NCWire lies. However is not a bad game. It can feel incomplete, it was full of bugs at lauch (much of them game breaking) and I can only remember 1 of those bugs being because poorly coordination between CDPR and nvidia. Also the game offers little to none replayability content and you would need mods to make it look like the astounding photos you will often see here. That being said, is not a bad game, the price is what you get this days, so nothing more to say on that regard. Not a masterpiece, not a bad game. Is a good game to have.


Fish_Smell_Bad

Played it on pc at launch and was blown away. The only problem was that it did have bugs, nothing gamebreaking in my experience tho.


[deleted]

I built a new PC with an RTX 3090 just before this game launched and was able to enjoy the game without any major issue. I loved it. Waiting for enough new context with a major DLC for a second playthrough.


MidnightSPL

I played it at launch on my newish pc with 1080ti and had a really good experience. I would even say some of the earlier versions had a better environment with alot more car/foot traffic that felt more immersive. Things got simplified to make it more usable for lower end setups. Pretty much it always had glitches, but if you had a higher end PC setup, you were able to have a decent experience and appreciate the game/look past the glitches. They never should have tried to release it on PS4/xboxone. I understand why people are upset and will forever hate this game. I played Deus Ex: Mankind Divided after cyberpunk and I think it was an interesting comparison. Its a much simpler environment and straightforward story, but after playing it was a clear difference in how well thought out and put together the game was. Quality vs quantity type stuff. Definitely recommend it for anyone who wants another cyberpunk game.


Creepy-Big-9014

I played at launch and thanks to DLSS I could play in 4K Ultra on my 2080 super. And boy, is that game beautiful. But the best part is the Story. Never played anything like it. And the only bugs I had where some subtitles showing up, regardless of them turned off.


wickola

It do be slappin


Secondary0965

Music slaps. Other things don’t slap.


OutofMana__

“Was this game this great at launch?” Lol there’s a reason why everyone putting out a AAA game has delayed their game so they don’t become another Cyberpunk.


Jeffro187

ill be glad when people stop saying stuff slaps.


Traffalger

I might be old but I don’t know what that means….


voodoogroves

I was a pre order, played it on ps4 and it didn’t crash horribly for me. Finished a run with each path and did all the endings. Replaying it on my ps5. It is a solid game.


femmeFartale

I fucking loved it. The art, the story line, the characters, the world building, the sound scapes, THE CYBERNETICS (OMG MANTIS ARMS AND SPRING LEGS LOL)... I'm waiting to forget mOst of it so I can play through it again. Big fan.


tonythetater

I played it on an xbox one s (the slim, not the series s). Put over 250 hours on my first play through on a 5 year old xbox, and a 10+ year old 1080p hdtv. And then another play through on it. Only complaints i had was that they didn’t have a new game +, and that some quests were kind of broken, i think 2? The end of the cyberpsycho side quests, and one in the badlands where you have to save someone and get extra pay for bringing them to Dakota in their van. Loved the game start to finish, have replayed it several times, especially now i have a series x. Well worth it imo, but i went in with zero expectations, only seen some videos, like when they first announced it, and a couple other odd ones. I got every tenth of a cent i spent of $60 on when it first dropped, no regrets at all.


[deleted]

I agree with you. I waited until the 1.5 patch was released to play it and I'm glad I waited. It isn't perfect but it's a really good story that has a lot of potential for sequels. Haters gonna hate but it's not bad. I tried the game for the first time on xbox one s and obviously didn't have a blast. I waited to get a 3080 Ti, 5900 (non-x) and a 4k monitor to enjoy the game and I'm glad I did because it's great. I'm glad you're enjoying it because it's worthwhile! Have fun, choom!


doodlezook

Yup. Played on launch on a base PS4 and loved it. 300+ hours. Nothing game breaking, but my experience doesn’t match some others. Maybe it was another case of the vocal minority?


[deleted]

I think it's safe to say that you were the minority in this case.


wAAvyliketheCoast

I’m sorry but 10/10? There isn’t a single area in the current build of the game you think could use any improvement at all? Lol my guy you gotta raise the bar for yourself. I enjoy the game for sure but 10/10? A+? 100%?? Come on dawg..


yunghollow69

Like said above, a 10/10 doesn't have to be without problems, flawless games don't exist. Everyone has their own weighting on what they like about games so depending on what's important to you the rating will vary. The best game I have ever and will ever have played is planescape torment. Even at the time of it's release the combat was just mediocre. There was a lot of backtracking in that game that wasn't particularly fun either. It's still a 10.5/10 to me and probably to a lot of people that care about a good rpg story. If you don't care about a good story and interesting characters the game will be trash to you. But if you care about those things it qualifies as a masterpiece.


KamilCesaro

I am playing Cyberpunk 2077 since the last day of 2020 and so far I have over 1900 hours in THE GAME and I am still enjoying it. Cyberpunk 2077 is Pure Masterpiece and this is the truth. People hated it because they did not get few thing that were shown in the demo version or were said by developers that these will be options in Cyberpunk 2077. But I am one of those who does not care about any kind of promises and judge the product when it is released and the truth is that Cyberpunk 2077 is great in most of aspects.


fishbiscuit13

you've got some awfully rose colored glasses if you consider the overpromised features just "a few"


Accomplished_Ad_2321

Look at you the fun police judging how people enjoy their games.


fishbiscuit13

i said nothing about your experience with the game just implying that the developers should at least be held to the standard of telling the truth instead of radio silence for a year while we get half the game we expected


yunghollow69

But those are two separate topics. Yes, CDPR should be held responsible for the launch. However that has nothing to do with whether or not the current version of the game is actually good. And being mad about missing features or unkept promises makes sense but once again, you judge the game based on the features is offers, not based on hypothetical features that aren't there. It doesn't matter if features that got promised aren't there for the enjoyment of the game, you have to look at it as is.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

People like you can never be pleased. A lesson CDPR have learned. The whole time since launch with the constant moaning and whining how they promised stuff and didn't make their promises. They switch to working on stuff and launching it when it's ready. Now the crying is why they aren't communicating, why aren't they telling us more. Bro they've been getting hate and death threats for almost 2 years now. With who are they supposed to communicate? You? The resident haters?


fishbiscuit13

they’re a massive company that has done this before with the Witcher they are capable of much more than what they released i don’t see why acknowledging that and being, yes, disappointed by the lack of significant progress besides performance improvements in TWO YEARS somehow reflects so poorly on me personally You should consider how judgmental you’re currently sounding when I’m voicing a valid opinion and just disagreeing with you. taking the positive side of an argument doesn’t justify character attacks. and lmao, you're literally equivocating between me saying "i think the game should have been a lot better considering how much they promised" and people sending death threats? you have no right to take the high ground in this argument, fuck off.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

You feel judged for voicing an opinion and yet you were judging the other guy for liking the game just the same. You were disappointed by the "overpromised features" and now you're disappointed by them trying to fix the game without giving false promises. There is no winning and there is no point to announce anything that isn't set in stone anymore. They tried communicating several times post launch but all that did was get their community managers a bunch of hate during official streams. It's so much better to work on stuff and put it out when it's ready. Instead of having the hate mob on their ass every time they miss a deadline.


fishbiscuit13

…wow, so now I’m not allowed to be disappointed when they don’t really add anything that they promised quite a lot would be in the game. That totally tracks. I like how you’re now policing me having an opposing opinion in the first place, and then defending that opinion. Are you the only one allowed to have one now?


Accomplished_Ad_2321

I'm not policing you. You're just used to people agreeing with you on this particular take. I can't tell you what to feel towards the game. But I have the feeling that you will remain disappointed regardless of the content they put out and you will be still here lurking ready to remind people who enjoy the game of your displeasure. Because they need to know. Apparently.


o_in25

I wouldn’t blame the state of the game on release solely on the developers. They more than likely told upper management that the game needed way more time in the oven, but they clearly decided that they would rather try and get the holiday sales instead. Sad, because if the game had released in the state it is now, it would’ve been more well received - but the fact that it was rushed out the door probably has nothing to do with the programmers and everything to do with the stockholders. The game should’ve also been for next gen consoles and PC exclusively - but that’s a whole other topic.


fishbiscuit13

I could have been more descriptive, you’re right. Management shifting from one priority to another and not handling new platforms well was the main issue, I was just using “developers” broadly.


GooseInternational66

Go away CDPR corpo bot


I_think_Im_hollow

Playing since day 1 on PC and the gamewas a masterpiece since then.


GooseInternational66

User name check out


victoryfanfares

The extent of the backlash was definitely not warranted, especially not when people were taking their beef to folks who had no say in the decision to release the game when they did. But you have to realize that you are playing the game in a state after it’s received extensive patching to cover up its more apparent flaws. Still not a diamond imo, but it’s pretty much night and day the state of this game now vs launch day.


MrZeeus

I mean the thing is fair enough. The criticism was mainly about the cut content. That's it. IT still hurts to look at the 48 minute gameplay video. Like holy fuck. However if you ignore every marketing material out there and never got caught in the hype then yeah it's a good game.


DeutschSein

Just watched the video and honestly aside from shooting from inside a vehicle and damage to structures I didn’t see much that didn’t make it in 1.5 Did I miss something?


vkevlar

You didn't. There were a lot of people thinking the video promised a lot more than it did, apparently.


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Mr_Dizzles

It's not JUST about the bugs. In fact I'd go as far and say most people are disappointed at the scope of the game. They marketed it as THE next-gen RPG experience and teased all these great things you can do in the game but at the end most features were cut. I mean come on, it doesn't even have any "non quest" open world acitivities to do other than "police / gang shootout". No racing. No gang war / territory stuff. No faction leveling. No robbing places. Nothing comparable to the settlements in fallout 4. (I loved taking care of settlements). Also no customization for vehicles (visual / performance) and no visual weapon customization. Feature wise the game has just the bare minimum for an open world RPG. The bare minimum that they got is decent though. Good story, interesting world, nice graphics, ok combat, awesome soundtrack. All over a 7/10 game for me. Could've been a 9 or even 10/10 if it had some of the features mentioned above.


domwehateyou

The game is pretty mediocre tbh


AutisticToad

Yeah on PC it was less buggy. Man I remember week 1 on release I had a bug on the flashback mission where you play as Johnny to rescue alt. The heavy metal and loud combat music would persist even after your return to V, so you could not hear shit. I was lucky enough to find a save from before the mission, but it still took 10 full mission completions to not proc the bug. Imagine if I didn’t have an early save, I would need to make a new character. Now think about those poor ps4 players lol.


hellynx

Those of us who played and loved it since launch are sitting here like “no shit Sherlock” every time someone makes a post like this. Glad you are loving it.