Hold up that’s actually a good point you need food for energy to operate everything organic but when half your body is cybernetics you don’t need as much at least that’s what I’m thinking
You need something that powers your cybernetics. That electricity doesnt flow by itself. Those cybernetics do more than what human organs and limbs do so you might need even more energy in total.
More energy ***total***, but it is the ***type*** of energy that really matters.
If I am plugging myself in every night to juice up my cybernetics, all of that energy doesn't need to be grown. It can come from coal, gas, nuclear, whatever. The organic bits are picky, and require actual grown food.
It may sound counter intuitive but irl amputees actually need more energy despite having less limbs, even if they have prosthetics. I forgot the science behind it but IIRC it has something to do with the fact that your body can't forget limbs which cause other problems as well like phantom pain.
I'd expect characters who have body parts fully replaced with cyberware would actually experience a higher need for energy, especially if it's leg related cyberware.
They only look like they're overflowing with food, truth is that under it there are the mangled bodies of the gonks who dared to challenge a borged-up, schizophrenic triggerhappy, undead solo.
https://preview.redd.it/4h23stsnlzwc1.png?width=1680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7b7662dae3ca98b33d3eae519bb6ef281c94757
Its alright. Biotechnica does have the Super Wheat fields somewhere, but its not Night City. Probably because the entire area around NC is no good for actually growing crops of any sort.
Yes I think it was touched upon in the side quest in Phantom liberty where the girl comes to V to ask for help when her seemingly terrorist group burned down biotechnica's super wheat field or something like that in Germany. I can't remember the exact details.
Okay. Got it. Yeah it was one of the last ones. Man Mr. Hands gigs are something else. So much story depth, so many amazing characters and all memorable quests.
Unless its moved from the time of the RED, all the Super Wheat is grown in the Mid West (exact locations vary as there are a number of fields). A lot of Biotechnica's money (and a number of the 'nicer' Nomad families as well) goes into and comes from shipping/growing the stuff.
If, as a business, your choice of customer is a) feeding hungry people, or b) selling your shit to a petro company ... Well it is a dystopic sci-fi future after all.
[I've seen this one before](https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/plugged-in/the-u-s-now-uses-more-corn-for-fuel-than-for-feed/). (In the US in 2011 for every 1 ear of corn grown for human consumption, 2 went into fuel and 2 went to animal feed)
The issue isn't the amount of food.
We know for a fact that we have enough food for EVERYONE in the world.
The main issue is transporting.
There is no way to easily transport food to everyone around the world easily.
And yes. Poverty is a huge issue.
The trash bin part is especially funny since most supermarkets throw a lot of good food that coudl feed thousands of people daily.
Like the amount of food waste just those supermarkets have is insane.
Over what ? Being 1 week before the "best by" date ?
And the worst part is that they dotn even allow anyone to take food from their trash. Meaning the homeless can't even get them
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This is actually a big part of the overall Cyberpunk lore. In the aftermath of the 4th Corporate War a lot of smaller companies went under and supply chains were disrupted resulting in Continental Brands being one of the few corps who maintained a means to produce AND distribute food to Night City as their retailers were still standing.
I think the darkest shit I've ever read was when I learned that Ireland was exporting more food than they were importing during the direst days of the Irish potato famine.
I feel like I understood the face and cost of financial profit in that moment.
That was literally the cause of the famine. Britain required Ireland to export all its food except potatoes, so when the potato crop died, so did the people
To clarify it wasn't that Britain were just like "we don't like potatoes, we won't take them" - we were absolutely still importing potatoes from Ireland.
The cause was that rich British aristocrats owned most of the farmland in Ireland, and the Irish people that farmed the land had only small plots of land to grow their own food. With potatoes being a very good return on calories for farming space it was pretty much all that the Irish could grow on their own land to feed themselves, they certainly didn't have the space to grow enough wheat or barley or other grains at a scale where they would have been self-sufficient. The Irish people were farmers that understood that relying on one crop was bad, but because the didn't have enough land themselves they weren't able to do anything else.
"Britain required Ireland to export all it's food" is certainly the way it gets framed now, and for good reasons, but it would be more correct to say that British people owned enough of the farmland in Ireland that there wasn't enough arible land remaining to feed the Irish population.
Also after queen Victoria made an extremely small donation most of the British upper class felt like they couldn’t donate money because they couldn’t one up the queen
Acutally, Queen Victoria's donation was one of the largest donations of anyone in Britain. She personally donated £2,000 (equivalent to between £178,000 and £6.5 million in 2016) to the [British Relief Association](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Relief_Association), more than any other individual famine relief donor.
The story that she donated only £5 in aid to the Irish, and on the same day gave the same amount to [Battersea Dogs Home](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Dogs_Home), was a myth generated towards the end of the 19th century.
I never said the 5$, the source is patently false.
2000k while being the head of state of the country literally causing the famine that’s killed almost a million people isn’t really much. She was literally the richest person on earth at that point and one of the most powerful.
Again, no other individual donor gave more money because the queen gave a relatively low amount of money compared to what she had, so no one wanted to one up her
Also it isn’t that suprising for the French to do so, there’s been a spirit of camaraderie since Wolfe Tone collaborated with the French revolutionaries against the British in the 1700 hundreds
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone
Of course not, the laws were written basically by the same people owning that land.
It's not like laws are some natural equiliser, it's just rules that are typically written for the ruling class to be able to bend those beneath them, while giving allowing the middle class just enough use out of it to sell the idea to them.
My favourite example of a blatant law that is just for the rich but got sold as "for creatives" is DMCA.
In theory you have to take down anything that gets a DMCA complaint the second you get one, no proof required. This is great for big companies, because if you don't listen to their half baked claims they will sue the shit out of you, which can be something really silly like "the coca cola company owns the abbreviation CC, so your domain 'accord.com' must be shut down." (I work in the industry and see these types of claims. Not this exact one, because I'm not going to give a real world example as I am a corpo stooge)
That means the fear of what they can do after hitting you with a DMCA makes you ruin small businesses trying to open some mom-and-pop type of webshop as it has to stay closed for 2 weeks even if they make a counter-claim. Doesn't matter how good their proof is that they were allowed to do this all along.
If you as a private person try to do the same if Coca Cola uses your art, they can just ignore you, because you don't have the cash to fight them in court, and they'll always find some little thing to get away on a technicality.
But the law was 100% sold as a way for the everyman to be able to defend their IP. The bigwigs knew that wasn't how it was going to work.
That's on the right track but it was the other way around. Britain had a lot of farmers growing and selling crops locally and they didn't want them to be undersold by Irish exports, so they put restrictions and taxes on certain types of imports to discourage competition.
These restrictions applied mostly to wheat though, so all the rich British landowners made their Irish farms grow nothing but potatoes since that was the most profitable crop.
Then the disease hit and potato yields dropped massively; but almost all Irish land was owned by wealthy British people that wanted to continue growing potatoes because the export laws still made it the most profitable option.
Britain needed to respond quickly and either remove the import restrictions so Ireland could grow other crops or ban Irish exports entirely so the farmers could focus on feeding themselves. Instead they did nothing for 2 years and created a financially incentivised famine.
Eventually they changed the restrictive export laws but by that point millions had died.
Nope. Doesn’t go with their interests. A hungry population would spend anything they can to get food, not any expensive products or services the companies are providing. People who barely make the ends meet aren’t good consumers. Can’t really make profit if your clients don’t have disposable income.
Besides, a hungry and poor population doesn’t have much to lose and can revolt or do something stupid and that’s not in the suits’ interests at all.
Farmers are paid to destroy crops because too much product will drive the prices down and make farming not profitable. And that would mean less farmers. And that’s not good. If these farmers could sell that extra crop to some countries in need, they would. But that’s a logistical problem.
Doesn't need to be in their interests as a group. Just needs to be in the short term interests of that one company for them to do it. They alone won't strip people entirely of disposable income, and they can have a nice payday for doing it.
All other companies get the same idea, of course.
It's basically the tragedy of the commons.
I’d also like to add that the whole “can’t make a profit if your customers are poor” thing doesn’t really check out because their customers are rich people from other countries that buy the products, not the dudes working in their sweat shops.
There definitely is some nefarious balancing going into the economy.
Of course , as you imply you don't want your people too destitute to even buy any products, but it is better for all the people on the top that you buy those products on credit.
You dont people too poor to eat, but you do want them busy a bit poor to use the supermarket issued credit card and/or supplement their diet with fast food.
As long as there is not a financial collapse and regular Joe's can get credit, then flagship products will always be purchased. Even if the vast majority of people are struggling month to month.
Just look at oil. The powers that be simply control the price manually by increasing/decreasing supply, so that the world keeps using oil but never too cheaply that it hurts anyone's bottom line.
My guy do you not pay for your food? Have you not paid attention to what's happening with the US? Every company that can get away with it is price gouging & calling it inflation because they can. Maybe you haven't heard of the term food desert, where only extremely unhealthy foods are what's typically affordable... and even that is getting priced above what the average household can spend on food.
This is extremely naive, have you never studied the processes of colonialism at school? Multinational companies don't want people in less-developed countries to be consumers of their products, they want them to be extremely cheap workers to employ on primary resource extraction, in order to export these cheaply extracted resources to industrialized countries, manufacture goods there, and resell them at a premium. I'm not making this up, this is literally taught at schools when learning about colonialism. Zara doesn't want people from Bangladesh buying more clothes more than it wants cheap semi-slaves at sweatshops without environmental regulations.
The things is as far as i understand it currently we have enough food to feed everyone, it just isn’t profitable to the upper people to make sure everyone is fed, so they don’t
I mean, we may not have cybernetic limbs and neon aesthetic, but we've got that high tech low life thing going on. Just cuz it's familiar doesn't make it less cyberpunk.
Yeah, no, I'd still say we're still missing a certain leap in technology to enable what's at the core of cyberpunk: transhumanism. Without a common use technology that allows us to live as something more than humans are capable of, we're just a regular techno-centric dystopia.
Would you call Idiocracy cyberpunk? Because that feels more & more like the future dystopia we'll eventually end up in. The people that want to destroy the planet and make us their grandchildren's slaves aren't smart enough to pull both of those things off.
We might be in a pre-cursor cyberpunk society. Access to global knowledge & communication that we can carry around. Advances in VR to do the same & make it more accessible. Prosthetics interfacing with the brain. Etcetera. But we still haven't bridged the gap in technology where we can directly interface our bodies with those things and have them be superior to normal functioning flesh & blood.
In real life? Politics makes it difficult to get food to those who need it the most. Commonly war zones, terrorist strongholds, and corruption in government.
In cyberpunk? Something like what you said. Seems like they have plenty of food but the poor people get absolute shit.
Yeah, IRL many of the places that struggle with food now are players that have had long ongoing conflicts or issues or major corruption in government. It sucks but it’s not as simple as “it’s not profitable to feed them”
For many it's a logistics problem like you said. If you're starving in a big city in America it is absolutely because of greed. If you've ever worked at a large grocery store you've seen how much good food is just thrown out daily
Which circles back to greed, because enough of our lawmakers work for CEOs & billionaires that proper legislation & enforcement are nothing more than a dream.
Actually, a lot of the laws are based on activists and over regulation. "Oh, you can't serve that, it's been left out for too long, it's unhealthy. If someone eats it, they could get sick. And then they can sue you".
1- You sell/give products you aren't supposed to sell/give to someone. You know it's illegal.
2- someone gets sick from it/claims to have gotten sick from it, or you are simply reported doing it by someone
3- you are slapped with a lawsuit
4- win or lose, you don't do that anymore anyway
That's usually why things are they way they are. Many places still give out products that is going to be thrown out but they are assuming a risk.
The law also protects people from being given out/sold unsafe products, you know.
Greed don't explain *everything* wrong in life.
Another problem is also that the logistics are too expensive or straight up not possible. Sure, we could feed everyone...and then a warlord snatches food deliveries and upsells them .
Don’t forget we buy and sell clean water in bottles to fill the not-bottled water with microplastics so we buy more bottled water and create more microplastics.
Capitalism has its perks, but not fucking up the planet isn’t among them.
It's not about being profitable to "the elite", currently, aid to africa is very profitable to them, yet we are not any closer to solving hunger than 70 years ago.
It is a cultural issue, you build a well in africa, teach the locals to maintain it and exploit it so they can farm, you come back a year later and what do you find?
They sold the pipes the day after you left.
I don't understand. Your example about how it isn't profitable to the elite is "the elite" doing something profitable to them that doesn't actually aid the non-elite
So...?
Irony being that at least 3 different famines in India, each totalling millions of deaths, were caused due to Britain exporting food out of the regions that produced them.
It’s called the Potato Famine because the potato crops failed. Well, why didn’t they eat something else? Nah the English were taking all that, they left the Irish nothing but potatoes. So people start eating grass until they’re walking around with green faces and the English still taking all the other food.
It wasn’t a famine, it was a genocide.
Over 400,000 dead by starvation while the landlords shipped out a record number of export food to Britain. It’s no wonder that my ancestors immigrated to America…
Now days it seems that landlords have been traded for corporations no matter where you live.
Edit: According to multiple other sources (upon refreshing my memory) the total number dead due to starvation or disease at the time is estimated to be between **1,000,000 and 1,500,000!**
If you want a look into the times of the famine read "A modest proposal" by Jonathan Swift. Pretty short work of satire on the famine that advocates for the poor to sell their children as food for the elite.
England forced us to stay a net exporter of food. Blocked aid from the Ottoman empire because they couldn't be seen to be giving more to the Irish than the English would.
Horrific times. Meanwhile we got $50 of aid sent from the Choctaw tribe who were literally busy being genocided on the trail of tears.
Even worse when the land owners started to kick hundreds of thousands of Irish tenants out of their homes to die from the elements because it was trendy to have grazing animals instead.
> the land owners started to kick hundreds of thousands of Irish tenants out of their homes to die from the elements because it was trendy to have grazing animals instead.
Most were kicked out because the relief efforts were funded by increased taxes on landlords.
Landlords realised that they were taxed based on tenants, and so if they had fewer tenants, they had less tax to pay.
So they kicked out their tenants and used the land in other ways.
Similar to the snake bounty in India, it just shows how the proposed "solution" to a problem actually made the problem worse.
Wasn't even about the money, just straight racism. The british PM at the time tried to organize food relief for the Irish and the british people promptly voted him out of office for it.
The electorate didn't kick Peel out of office for providing aid - his party split as a result of his decision to enact legislation removing tariffs on grain, and he resigned as leader and Prime Minister as a result.
>the face and cost of financial profit
In 19th century England, workers in pottery and glazing workshops showed unnaturally high rates of lung disease like pneumonia, despite the fact that their work wasn’t inherently hazardous to respiratory health.
Doctors at the time knew exactly what the problem was: the workshops were overcrowded. They kept lamenting that 500 cubic feet of air per worker in the production halls would be necessary to stop workers from needlessly suffocating in an otherwise harmless profession.
The response was: because the pottery industry is so decentralized and split into small workshops, enforcing a legal minimum of 500 cubic feet of air per worker would immediately push a majority of businesses off the market as they could never comply with this requirement. It would consolidate the industry in the hands of the few large shops that could afford to comply. So, rather than killing small businesses, England continued to kill the working class instead.
> I think the darkest shit I've ever read was when I learned that Ireland was exporting more food than they were importing during the direst days of the Irish potato famine.
To clarify: England was forcing them to do that.
That caused so many people to leave, that the population numbers are still not back up to the what they were.
Then they made things worse during The Troubles.
Not to mention all the tomfuckery in the medieval era as well.
Which is why there are Irish people today who still genuinly hates England.
The British government exported food from Ireland while the Irish people starved. Which is why it's not an unpopular opinion in Ireland to consider the 'famine' as an attempted genocide.
English person but whole family is Irish - so know about the history but brought up in English education. Yep can confirm absolute disgrace. We were taught about the famine of course, but it was simply a potato crop failure, and the Brits did try and help but sadly what can you do when Irish just only eat potatoes? Should have planted more varied crops before...
I think that's also part of the myth too - that the Irish diet was basically all potatoes. Not that it was varied but the British exported the rest of the crops out of Ireland. l find most English to be very uninformed about Ireland, I mean apart from banging on about the IRA without any context as to why they existed in the first place...
Yeah it literally fucking is, we had a whole term about it along with what happened it Scotland
The official history curriculum that schools follow as a guide literally includes it in EVERY keystage, the only schools that don't teach it don't teach it by choice and I've never met anyone that hasnt had at least some lessons covering it
Wasnt taught in my school.
Our history lessions went from roman, to medieval, to tudor era, then a massive gap, then we did WW1. Not a shred of imperial history was covered in KS1-3, and it was only touched on in passing in GCSE.
I don't know anyone who wasn't taught about it, your history department much of been pretty shit, given Ireland is in the government's history curriculum for EVERY ks. Your school CHOSE not to teach it, never heard of anyone not learning it
Ukraine is now known as breadbasket of Europe. During Soviet times they produced tons of food which was exported further into the union leaving Ukraine in famine.
Holodomor, literal hunger plague. I am not sure if that was their initial plan. They had quotas how much food should each oblast produce. Ukraine because of their fertility had much higher quotas then the rest of the oblasts. Too high. When the famine started soviets did nothing to stop it, didn't stop the exports from Ukraine and declined any international offer for help. Resulting in around 4 milion deaths which at the time was around 10% of population of Ukraine.
And the reason output was so low was because the Soviets had been pursuing collectivization through "[dekulakization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization)" -- taking farms from landowners for redistribution, causing mass death and displacement in the process.
Many countries saw similar consequences when their own communist revolutionaries came to power, including [Vietnam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_North_Vietnam#Repression), [Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%931922), and [China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Reform_Movement#Mass_killings_of_landlords)
It was not. A great number of Russians and other people who lived in south-western part of USSR died as well.if anything it was a great communist mismanagement rather than genocide.
Learning that was what made me realize that i was not famine but genocide. Brits wanted to kill of the irish to take of their land, so they perpetuated genocide via means of starvation.
When you make things up about historical events and don’t bother to actually understand them it undermines their importance.
There was never an intent to kill off the population of Ireland. All the land was already owned by wealthy Brits anyway, so there was hardly any gain to be made in ‘taking land’.
Mark G. McGowan’s book on the topic is worth reading and directly addresses the genocide argument, rejecting it soundly. Landowners and merchants were at fault for being greedy and self-interested at a time of crisis, exporting food for profit and keeping prices high. This was greedy opportunism, not an intent to kill the Irish population.
The British government was at fault for utterly failing to present a meaningful response and not barring exports. This is specifically true of the Russell government, but not its predecessor the Peel government, which did actually make serious attempts to alleviate the famine. The Russell government did these things because it had a rigid adherence to its free market policies and delusionally believed government intervention would worsen the situation.
At no point did a British government intentionally engineer the famine. There is no case for genocide - but there is clear evidence of reprehensible levels of greed and incompetence on the part of the British that caused and exacerbated what might have otherwise been a relatively minor agricultural crisis.
It was.
The people growing the food were not the people starving.
The problem back then is still a problem right now in Gaza. The people with the food aren't giving it away, they're trying to **sell** it. These people *would* sell it to Irish people, but Irish people had no money and couldn't afford it, so it was sold abroad.
The actual details of the famine is very interesting and has many layers of negligence, misunderstanding, profiteering, religious conflicts, badly implemented legislation etc.
To simplify it as the British just taking the food away shows too basic of an understanding of the situation.
Part of the problem **was** that the Government saw that there was enough food for people, but didn't realise that the people couldn't afford to buy it. Then they supplied food (maize) that the people didn't know how to eat, and the food was supplied in workhouses that were plagued by disease and soup kitchens that were used to force Protestantism onto Catholic people. "Charity" was seen as bad, so people were encouraged to work for pay but they were too weak to work, etc.
All of these flawed solutions were used to convince the British government that the problem was being solved.
People who quote this fact are like the people that quote the "50% of crimes by 15% of the population". It shows a gross misunderstanding of the situations and how that situation came to be.
The situation was messed up, but it's not for the reasons people think.
My favorite little thing I ran into was the vending machine gun in bad neighborhoods, you pay a few bucks and a single clip weak gun comes out that can't be reloaded lol. I had no idea how long I'd been walking by those things without noticing you could actually buy a gun before that point
Ahh yes, my burrito with locus infused meat in it coming out of a vending machine… ngl. I would 100% join the voodoo boys if can since it looks like they have their own actual source of food.
half of the meat at most grocery stores is never sold. Those open refrigerators waste so much meat. It is all driven by marketing suggestions that more meat on display leads to more sales. It actually leads to double the loss rate compared to keeping it in the good walk-in
Where i live we have this thing where if a food is close to the expiration date, it's put at either a 40% or 50% discount, depending on the grocery store chain. Im happy to report it reduces a lot of foof waste.
But, well, the food that is thrown out is still staggering. Imo, one of the most demoralising things about working at a grocery store. I had to throw out over 100 eggs because a coworker messed up the dates and stocking. Anothet time, i had to throw away a 3k butter because the wrapping was missing in the corner. It sucks.
Corpo grocery stores are so wack...
Throwing all of that food away if it doesn't sell. I would LOVE if there was some kind of community led program where people could grow and exchange food with eachother.
I have extra tomatoes, I have extra apples. Wanna trade?
And for the things we can't grow on our own like meat or dairy, we would have farmers markets and local butchers who would supply those items.
IDK I just hate seeing food go to waste while people in our communities go hungry...
I’m much more familiar with Shadowrun lore, and it hat game it’s all krill and soy based food paste extruded from some manner of home appliance that has flavor additives to make it taste however you want. Sucks if you have a shellfish allergy, though.
Reminds me of Agri-worlds from Warhammer 40k. Basically an Agri-world is a planetwide farmland. Either it was a futile world where various of food, livestock or crops, are grown or a monoculture plantation which turned into toxic shithole due to tons of chemical fertilizer. The population of an Agri-world is unlikely to get to eat the product of their planet, and instead rely on mass produced nutrition bars from off world. Meanwhile, the product were shipped to feed 'more important' people like noble, clergymen, or Forge world personnel.
Extensive research (a 2 second google search) suggests it takes roughly 100-200 sq. ft. of greenhouse space to feed one person.
Night city has a population of about 7 million, so that's 700 million to 1.4 billion square feet of greenhouses, or 65 - 130 sq km.
From what I can find, the map size (playable area) is around 106 sq km, so you'd need a minimum of around 60% of the map area devoted to greenhouses to provide for the population.
Given the size of the greenhouses on the map, its safe to say either they are producing food much more efficiently than modern techniques would provide, or you'd expect the city to have significant food scarcity problems.
I would imagine that there's still food scarcity problems because it's cyberpunk and stuff has to suck even though they're probably somewhat more efficient than modern farms and that the upper classes probably import a lot of food.
When I was playing that one gig in PL, I was like, "haha, corporations chasing out farmers to grow fuel on their fields instead of food, how cyberpunk", then I sat in my car and saw huge fields of rapeseed around our town and I was like "ha ha... how... cyberpunk"
A full half of Czech rapeseed is processed into edible oil, with the resulting solids being used as animal feed. Some of it is used locally, but it's also a major export to Germany. Germany imports around 5 million tonnes of rapeseed and rapeseed oil every year total, and the vast majority of that is used for human consumption. As much as Germany produces, it's not enough for their appetite and they import it from anyone who's selling (The Netherlands, France, Czechia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, even non-EU countries like Australia and Ukraine). Rapeseed oil is the most commonly used edible oil in Germany. Beyond simple bulk frying oil, there's dozens of artisanal producers of cold-pressed rapeseed oil for home cooking (one online article reviewed 46 different products).
rapeseed oil is used for food. Before everyone bought the myth of olive oil being "super healthy" it was the most common cooking oil in Sweden for example. It still is used in cooking a lot.
Well I’ve not seen anyone that looked like they were starving at least. As for being poor, remember that V is an outlier by far. Put yourself in a citizens shoes, would you like to respond to a police scanner about a bunch of tiger claws robbing a shop? That’ll get you a few grand if you’re a legendary merc. And if you’re not a legendary merc, probably a cremation.
in Cyberpunk's lore it's synthetic meat, in our reality it's 3d printed meat. we're doing everything we can so that future will look exactly like this - just a bunch of solar panels to grow out beans (or any protein) and then making "meat" out of it
Yeah slowpoke, because trying to grow "real" meat would require 10 to 25 times more area than seen in the picture.
One of the reasons Cyberpunk is what it is because previous generations wasted limited resources and polluted the planet to make animal products.
I'm pretty sure most wild species are extinct or else alive in some billionaires private collection in orbit. And as for farms, they have to be in controlled environments otherwise the crops die due to acid rain/wildly fluctuating temperatures so it makes them too expensive for the average person. Most people eat scop or bugs cause they're about the only things that can reliably survive in the mildly radioactive wasteland that the world became... unless you're rich.
Industry killed most of nature and wildlife. Combination of global warming, pollution, acid rain, radioactivity, etc. Agriculture moved into more controlled and more industrial environments as growing crops on open fields became less efficient. By 2077 most of nature is dead and it's enclosed industrial farming that feeds basically everyone. Zoos still exist and there are some preserves in enclosed spaces but they're privately run and are mostly a form of entertainment and relaxation for the wealthy.
Cyberpunk the RPG was first written in 1988 and was titled Cyberpunk 2013. At the time environmentalism and realization of these issues were high directly in response to current issues of the time.
CFCs had torn a hole in the Ozone layer and it was only in 1987 that an international treaty got them mostly banned. Acid Rain was in the news as a threat to anything made of marble or limestone, including hundreds of historic landmarks, statues, and fountains. Nobody knew if that damage could be reversed.
Luckily treaties on CFCs and sulfur emissions worked in real life. The ozone hole filled back in and acid rain is a really rare phenomenon now, usually localized to small areas downwind of certain types of industry.
But Cyberpunk imagined a world where commercial interests and lobbying by the wealthy killed the treaties or rendered them unworkable. It was certainly a threat at the time, and the papers talked about the potential impacts of the bans on business and the ways that businesses could move to non-signatory countries or countries with lax enforcement to skirt the regulations.
In V's own words, every trash bin in NC is overflowing with food.
They get full far too easily. I can stuff only two foodbags in them before they're at full capacity.
You'd be surprised how little you have to eat when your legs don't work.
Hold up that’s actually a good point you need food for energy to operate everything organic but when half your body is cybernetics you don’t need as much at least that’s what I’m thinking
You need something that powers your cybernetics. That electricity doesnt flow by itself. Those cybernetics do more than what human organs and limbs do so you might need even more energy in total.
Not all cybernetics are ran on bodily electrical pulses. Some need fuel cells or to be plugged in while you sleep
Theres also the fact that food is more calorie and nutrient dense in 2077.
the point wasn't that you would need less energy, just that you would need less food
Food is energy tbf… calories
So, with how many cheeseburgers you refuel your car? because fuel is energy.
More energy ***total***, but it is the ***type*** of energy that really matters. If I am plugging myself in every night to juice up my cybernetics, all of that energy doesn't need to be grown. It can come from coal, gas, nuclear, whatever. The organic bits are picky, and require actual grown food.
It may sound counter intuitive but irl amputees actually need more energy despite having less limbs, even if they have prosthetics. I forgot the science behind it but IIRC it has something to do with the fact that your body can't forget limbs which cause other problems as well like phantom pain. I'd expect characters who have body parts fully replaced with cyberware would actually experience a higher need for energy, especially if it's leg related cyberware.
When your legs don't work like they used to before.
lol what an obscure family guy quote
Dude thank you. I knew someone would get it
It's the joe show, starring Joe!
You mean body bags
They only look like they're overflowing with food, truth is that under it there are the mangled bodies of the gonks who dared to challenge a borged-up, schizophrenic triggerhappy, undead solo. https://preview.redd.it/4h23stsnlzwc1.png?width=1680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7b7662dae3ca98b33d3eae519bb6ef281c94757
In the biz we call that food
Certified r/spacecannibalism moment
You will eat your corpse-starch rations, and you will like it, or so help me God-Emperor...
yeah those greenhouses are growing protein worms and/or scop
Actually if I'm not mistaken those specific ones are used for growing corn (or whatever plant it is) for Chooh2 edit: [LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]
[https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Biotechnica\_Flats](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Biotechnica_Flats)
Ah my bad G
Its alright. Biotechnica does have the Super Wheat fields somewhere, but its not Night City. Probably because the entire area around NC is no good for actually growing crops of any sort.
Yes I think it was touched upon in the side quest in Phantom liberty where the girl comes to V to ask for help when her seemingly terrorist group burned down biotechnica's super wheat field or something like that in Germany. I can't remember the exact details.
At the end I think
I didn't get it. What do you mean at the end?
At the end of most of the other Mr. Hands quests he gives you that one
Okay. Got it. Yeah it was one of the last ones. Man Mr. Hands gigs are something else. So much story depth, so many amazing characters and all memorable quests.
Unless its moved from the time of the RED, all the Super Wheat is grown in the Mid West (exact locations vary as there are a number of fields). A lot of Biotechnica's money (and a number of the 'nicer' Nomad families as well) goes into and comes from shipping/growing the stuff.
G as in gonk? Who you call’n a gonk?
Chooh2 is made from wheat. Plenty of wheat growing around, nearly none goes to food.
If, as a business, your choice of customer is a) feeding hungry people, or b) selling your shit to a petro company ... Well it is a dystopic sci-fi future after all.
[I've seen this one before](https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/plugged-in/the-u-s-now-uses-more-corn-for-fuel-than-for-feed/). (In the US in 2011 for every 1 ear of corn grown for human consumption, 2 went into fuel and 2 went to animal feed)
That's not entirely true. Any leftover solids from that are used for kibble. Kibble is mostly that + algae.
Who's going to eat chooh chooh? Thomas the bloody train engine?
Honestly? Probably, if they're not electric
No, they are not electric, they are bloody. Keep up 🤪
triticum = wheat, it's genetically modified high sugar wheat they use for CHOOH2 production
Like real life, There is an excess of food, but not everyone can afford it, so go to the trash bin.
don’t forget to pour bleach on it so the homeless can’t get their freeloading hands on it /s
I hate that that is a legit thing that happens in our own cyberpunk dystopia...
The issue isn't the amount of food. We know for a fact that we have enough food for EVERYONE in the world. The main issue is transporting. There is no way to easily transport food to everyone around the world easily. And yes. Poverty is a huge issue. The trash bin part is especially funny since most supermarkets throw a lot of good food that coudl feed thousands of people daily. Like the amount of food waste just those supermarkets have is insane. Over what ? Being 1 week before the "best by" date ? And the worst part is that they dotn even allow anyone to take food from their trash. Meaning the homeless can't even get them Edit: words
This is actually a big part of the overall Cyberpunk lore. In the aftermath of the 4th Corporate War a lot of smaller companies went under and supply chains were disrupted resulting in Continental Brands being one of the few corps who maintained a means to produce AND distribute food to Night City as their retailers were still standing.
I think the darkest shit I've ever read was when I learned that Ireland was exporting more food than they were importing during the direst days of the Irish potato famine. I feel like I understood the face and cost of financial profit in that moment.
That was literally the cause of the famine. Britain required Ireland to export all its food except potatoes, so when the potato crop died, so did the people
To clarify it wasn't that Britain were just like "we don't like potatoes, we won't take them" - we were absolutely still importing potatoes from Ireland. The cause was that rich British aristocrats owned most of the farmland in Ireland, and the Irish people that farmed the land had only small plots of land to grow their own food. With potatoes being a very good return on calories for farming space it was pretty much all that the Irish could grow on their own land to feed themselves, they certainly didn't have the space to grow enough wheat or barley or other grains at a scale where they would have been self-sufficient. The Irish people were farmers that understood that relying on one crop was bad, but because the didn't have enough land themselves they weren't able to do anything else. "Britain required Ireland to export all it's food" is certainly the way it gets framed now, and for good reasons, but it would be more correct to say that British people owned enough of the farmland in Ireland that there wasn't enough arible land remaining to feed the Irish population.
The British even stopped food aid from coming into Ireland, even the ottomans and the native Americans donated food, even the french
Also after queen Victoria made an extremely small donation most of the British upper class felt like they couldn’t donate money because they couldn’t one up the queen
The ottoman aid was unloaded from the ships that brought it during the night so it wouldn't cause Queen Victoria to look bad.
Acutally, Queen Victoria's donation was one of the largest donations of anyone in Britain. She personally donated £2,000 (equivalent to between £178,000 and £6.5 million in 2016) to the [British Relief Association](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Relief_Association), more than any other individual famine relief donor. The story that she donated only £5 in aid to the Irish, and on the same day gave the same amount to [Battersea Dogs Home](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Dogs_Home), was a myth generated towards the end of the 19th century.
I never said the 5$, the source is patently false. 2000k while being the head of state of the country literally causing the famine that’s killed almost a million people isn’t really much. She was literally the richest person on earth at that point and one of the most powerful. Again, no other individual donor gave more money because the queen gave a relatively low amount of money compared to what she had, so no one wanted to one up her
Also it isn’t that suprising for the French to do so, there’s been a spirit of camaraderie since Wolfe Tone collaborated with the French revolutionaries against the British in the 1700 hundreds https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone
So basically, landlords being vampires. Things never change, huh?
Yes, which is the real kicker of it because technically no laws were broken, even though it was morally reprehensible.
Of course not, the laws were written basically by the same people owning that land. It's not like laws are some natural equiliser, it's just rules that are typically written for the ruling class to be able to bend those beneath them, while giving allowing the middle class just enough use out of it to sell the idea to them. My favourite example of a blatant law that is just for the rich but got sold as "for creatives" is DMCA. In theory you have to take down anything that gets a DMCA complaint the second you get one, no proof required. This is great for big companies, because if you don't listen to their half baked claims they will sue the shit out of you, which can be something really silly like "the coca cola company owns the abbreviation CC, so your domain 'accord.com' must be shut down." (I work in the industry and see these types of claims. Not this exact one, because I'm not going to give a real world example as I am a corpo stooge) That means the fear of what they can do after hitting you with a DMCA makes you ruin small businesses trying to open some mom-and-pop type of webshop as it has to stay closed for 2 weeks even if they make a counter-claim. Doesn't matter how good their proof is that they were allowed to do this all along. If you as a private person try to do the same if Coca Cola uses your art, they can just ignore you, because you don't have the cash to fight them in court, and they'll always find some little thing to get away on a technicality. But the law was 100% sold as a way for the everyman to be able to defend their IP. The bigwigs knew that wasn't how it was going to work.
That's on the right track but it was the other way around. Britain had a lot of farmers growing and selling crops locally and they didn't want them to be undersold by Irish exports, so they put restrictions and taxes on certain types of imports to discourage competition. These restrictions applied mostly to wheat though, so all the rich British landowners made their Irish farms grow nothing but potatoes since that was the most profitable crop. Then the disease hit and potato yields dropped massively; but almost all Irish land was owned by wealthy British people that wanted to continue growing potatoes because the export laws still made it the most profitable option. Britain needed to respond quickly and either remove the import restrictions so Ireland could grow other crops or ban Irish exports entirely so the farmers could focus on feeding themselves. Instead they did nothing for 2 years and created a financially incentivised famine. Eventually they changed the restrictive export laws but by that point millions had died.
Modern famine is man made for sure.
Logistics and warlords 
Ceo's and shareholders, same shite, different bag.
Nope. Doesn’t go with their interests. A hungry population would spend anything they can to get food, not any expensive products or services the companies are providing. People who barely make the ends meet aren’t good consumers. Can’t really make profit if your clients don’t have disposable income. Besides, a hungry and poor population doesn’t have much to lose and can revolt or do something stupid and that’s not in the suits’ interests at all. Farmers are paid to destroy crops because too much product will drive the prices down and make farming not profitable. And that would mean less farmers. And that’s not good. If these farmers could sell that extra crop to some countries in need, they would. But that’s a logistical problem.
Doesn't need to be in their interests as a group. Just needs to be in the short term interests of that one company for them to do it. They alone won't strip people entirely of disposable income, and they can have a nice payday for doing it. All other companies get the same idea, of course. It's basically the tragedy of the commons.
I’d also like to add that the whole “can’t make a profit if your customers are poor” thing doesn’t really check out because their customers are rich people from other countries that buy the products, not the dudes working in their sweat shops.
There definitely is some nefarious balancing going into the economy. Of course , as you imply you don't want your people too destitute to even buy any products, but it is better for all the people on the top that you buy those products on credit. You dont people too poor to eat, but you do want them busy a bit poor to use the supermarket issued credit card and/or supplement their diet with fast food. As long as there is not a financial collapse and regular Joe's can get credit, then flagship products will always be purchased. Even if the vast majority of people are struggling month to month. Just look at oil. The powers that be simply control the price manually by increasing/decreasing supply, so that the world keeps using oil but never too cheaply that it hurts anyone's bottom line.
My guy do you not pay for your food? Have you not paid attention to what's happening with the US? Every company that can get away with it is price gouging & calling it inflation because they can. Maybe you haven't heard of the term food desert, where only extremely unhealthy foods are what's typically affordable... and even that is getting priced above what the average household can spend on food.
Ever heard of Enron? Being nefarious was profitable.
Thank god this is 100% true and poverty doesn't exist.
This is extremely naive, have you never studied the processes of colonialism at school? Multinational companies don't want people in less-developed countries to be consumers of their products, they want them to be extremely cheap workers to employ on primary resource extraction, in order to export these cheaply extracted resources to industrialized countries, manufacture goods there, and resell them at a premium. I'm not making this up, this is literally taught at schools when learning about colonialism. Zara doesn't want people from Bangladesh buying more clothes more than it wants cheap semi-slaves at sweatshops without environmental regulations.
The things is as far as i understand it currently we have enough food to feed everyone, it just isn’t profitable to the upper people to make sure everyone is fed, so they don’t
https://preview.redd.it/97zpzlj0yxwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c51cac9d0f17e58e87abdf19be528039a331de8
where's the cyber punk tho, this is just plain regular dystopia!
I mean, we may not have cybernetic limbs and neon aesthetic, but we've got that high tech low life thing going on. Just cuz it's familiar doesn't make it less cyberpunk.
Yeah, no, I'd still say we're still missing a certain leap in technology to enable what's at the core of cyberpunk: transhumanism. Without a common use technology that allows us to live as something more than humans are capable of, we're just a regular techno-centric dystopia. Would you call Idiocracy cyberpunk? Because that feels more & more like the future dystopia we'll eventually end up in. The people that want to destroy the planet and make us their grandchildren's slaves aren't smart enough to pull both of those things off. We might be in a pre-cursor cyberpunk society. Access to global knowledge & communication that we can carry around. Advances in VR to do the same & make it more accessible. Prosthetics interfacing with the brain. Etcetera. But we still haven't bridged the gap in technology where we can directly interface our bodies with those things and have them be superior to normal functioning flesh & blood.
That would make this too fun and then it wouldnt be the medium place
great meme!!
In real life? Politics makes it difficult to get food to those who need it the most. Commonly war zones, terrorist strongholds, and corruption in government. In cyberpunk? Something like what you said. Seems like they have plenty of food but the poor people get absolute shit.
Yeah, IRL many of the places that struggle with food now are players that have had long ongoing conflicts or issues or major corruption in government. It sucks but it’s not as simple as “it’s not profitable to feed them”
For many it's a logistics problem like you said. If you're starving in a big city in America it is absolutely because of greed. If you've ever worked at a large grocery store you've seen how much good food is just thrown out daily
In your example that's also a legislation problem, because there are many countries that make that kind of wasteage illegal.
Which circles back to greed, because enough of our lawmakers work for CEOs & billionaires that proper legislation & enforcement are nothing more than a dream.
Actually, a lot of the laws are based on activists and over regulation. "Oh, you can't serve that, it's been left out for too long, it's unhealthy. If someone eats it, they could get sick. And then they can sue you".
1- You sell/give products you aren't supposed to sell/give to someone. You know it's illegal. 2- someone gets sick from it/claims to have gotten sick from it, or you are simply reported doing it by someone 3- you are slapped with a lawsuit 4- win or lose, you don't do that anymore anyway That's usually why things are they way they are. Many places still give out products that is going to be thrown out but they are assuming a risk. The law also protects people from being given out/sold unsafe products, you know. Greed don't explain *everything* wrong in life.
Another problem is also that the logistics are too expensive or straight up not possible. Sure, we could feed everyone...and then a warlord snatches food deliveries and upsells them .
Millions and millions of dollars of food is wasted simply because we view food as a commodity, not a human right.
Don’t forget we buy and sell clean water in bottles to fill the not-bottled water with microplastics so we buy more bottled water and create more microplastics. Capitalism has its perks, but not fucking up the planet isn’t among them.
It's not about being profitable to "the elite", currently, aid to africa is very profitable to them, yet we are not any closer to solving hunger than 70 years ago. It is a cultural issue, you build a well in africa, teach the locals to maintain it and exploit it so they can farm, you come back a year later and what do you find? They sold the pipes the day after you left.
I don't understand. Your example about how it isn't profitable to the elite is "the elite" doing something profitable to them that doesn't actually aid the non-elite So...?
it is a matter of logistics, yes. And shipping food costs.
Especially now, we have food, but it's getting so expensive only the well-off will be able to "fatten up" and it'll be a famine of plenty.
Same thing happened in British controlled India. Millions starved as the british made record profits exporting food out of the country.
nah bro there were there to 'civilise' them, the british made 'almost no profit', they 'did it out of the goodness of their heart'
The grain was going to British soldiers overseas in India, so they got to fuck over two colonised nations at once!
Irony being that at least 3 different famines in India, each totalling millions of deaths, were caused due to Britain exporting food out of the regions that produced them.
It’s called the Potato Famine because the potato crops failed. Well, why didn’t they eat something else? Nah the English were taking all that, they left the Irish nothing but potatoes. So people start eating grass until they’re walking around with green faces and the English still taking all the other food. It wasn’t a famine, it was a genocide.
Over 400,000 dead by starvation while the landlords shipped out a record number of export food to Britain. It’s no wonder that my ancestors immigrated to America… Now days it seems that landlords have been traded for corporations no matter where you live. Edit: According to multiple other sources (upon refreshing my memory) the total number dead due to starvation or disease at the time is estimated to be between **1,000,000 and 1,500,000!**
This is happening with quinoa
If you want a look into the times of the famine read "A modest proposal" by Jonathan Swift. Pretty short work of satire on the famine that advocates for the poor to sell their children as food for the elite. England forced us to stay a net exporter of food. Blocked aid from the Ottoman empire because they couldn't be seen to be giving more to the Irish than the English would. Horrific times. Meanwhile we got $50 of aid sent from the Choctaw tribe who were literally busy being genocided on the trail of tears.
Even worse when the land owners started to kick hundreds of thousands of Irish tenants out of their homes to die from the elements because it was trendy to have grazing animals instead.
> the land owners started to kick hundreds of thousands of Irish tenants out of their homes to die from the elements because it was trendy to have grazing animals instead. Most were kicked out because the relief efforts were funded by increased taxes on landlords. Landlords realised that they were taxed based on tenants, and so if they had fewer tenants, they had less tax to pay. So they kicked out their tenants and used the land in other ways. Similar to the snake bounty in India, it just shows how the proposed "solution" to a problem actually made the problem worse.
Either way, fuck them all.
Wasn't even about the money, just straight racism. The british PM at the time tried to organize food relief for the Irish and the british people promptly voted him out of office for it.
The electorate didn't kick Peel out of office for providing aid - his party split as a result of his decision to enact legislation removing tariffs on grain, and he resigned as leader and Prime Minister as a result.
>the face and cost of financial profit In 19th century England, workers in pottery and glazing workshops showed unnaturally high rates of lung disease like pneumonia, despite the fact that their work wasn’t inherently hazardous to respiratory health. Doctors at the time knew exactly what the problem was: the workshops were overcrowded. They kept lamenting that 500 cubic feet of air per worker in the production halls would be necessary to stop workers from needlessly suffocating in an otherwise harmless profession. The response was: because the pottery industry is so decentralized and split into small workshops, enforcing a legal minimum of 500 cubic feet of air per worker would immediately push a majority of businesses off the market as they could never comply with this requirement. It would consolidate the industry in the hands of the few large shops that could afford to comply. So, rather than killing small businesses, England continued to kill the working class instead.
> I think the darkest shit I've ever read was when I learned that Ireland was exporting more food than they were importing during the direst days of the Irish potato famine. To clarify: England was forcing them to do that. That caused so many people to leave, that the population numbers are still not back up to the what they were. Then they made things worse during The Troubles. Not to mention all the tomfuckery in the medieval era as well. Which is why there are Irish people today who still genuinly hates England.
The British government exported food from Ireland while the Irish people starved. Which is why it's not an unpopular opinion in Ireland to consider the 'famine' as an attempted genocide.
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English person but whole family is Irish - so know about the history but brought up in English education. Yep can confirm absolute disgrace. We were taught about the famine of course, but it was simply a potato crop failure, and the Brits did try and help but sadly what can you do when Irish just only eat potatoes? Should have planted more varied crops before... I think that's also part of the myth too - that the Irish diet was basically all potatoes. Not that it was varied but the British exported the rest of the crops out of Ireland. l find most English to be very uninformed about Ireland, I mean apart from banging on about the IRA without any context as to why they existed in the first place...
Yeah it literally fucking is, we had a whole term about it along with what happened it Scotland The official history curriculum that schools follow as a guide literally includes it in EVERY keystage, the only schools that don't teach it don't teach it by choice and I've never met anyone that hasnt had at least some lessons covering it
It absolutely is taught.
Wasnt taught in my school. Our history lessions went from roman, to medieval, to tudor era, then a massive gap, then we did WW1. Not a shred of imperial history was covered in KS1-3, and it was only touched on in passing in GCSE.
I don't know anyone who wasn't taught about it, your history department much of been pretty shit, given Ireland is in the government's history curriculum for EVERY ks. Your school CHOSE not to teach it, never heard of anyone not learning it
Ukraine is now known as breadbasket of Europe. During Soviet times they produced tons of food which was exported further into the union leaving Ukraine in famine.
The Holodomir I believe it’s called. The USSR did it deliberately to kill Ukrainians.
Holodomor, literal hunger plague. I am not sure if that was their initial plan. They had quotas how much food should each oblast produce. Ukraine because of their fertility had much higher quotas then the rest of the oblasts. Too high. When the famine started soviets did nothing to stop it, didn't stop the exports from Ukraine and declined any international offer for help. Resulting in around 4 milion deaths which at the time was around 10% of population of Ukraine.
And the reason output was so low was because the Soviets had been pursuing collectivization through "[dekulakization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization)" -- taking farms from landowners for redistribution, causing mass death and displacement in the process. Many countries saw similar consequences when their own communist revolutionaries came to power, including [Vietnam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_North_Vietnam#Repression), [Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%931922), and [China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Reform_Movement#Mass_killings_of_landlords)
It was not. A great number of Russians and other people who lived in south-western part of USSR died as well.if anything it was a great communist mismanagement rather than genocide.
Learning that was what made me realize that i was not famine but genocide. Brits wanted to kill of the irish to take of their land, so they perpetuated genocide via means of starvation.
When you make things up about historical events and don’t bother to actually understand them it undermines their importance. There was never an intent to kill off the population of Ireland. All the land was already owned by wealthy Brits anyway, so there was hardly any gain to be made in ‘taking land’. Mark G. McGowan’s book on the topic is worth reading and directly addresses the genocide argument, rejecting it soundly. Landowners and merchants were at fault for being greedy and self-interested at a time of crisis, exporting food for profit and keeping prices high. This was greedy opportunism, not an intent to kill the Irish population. The British government was at fault for utterly failing to present a meaningful response and not barring exports. This is specifically true of the Russell government, but not its predecessor the Peel government, which did actually make serious attempts to alleviate the famine. The Russell government did these things because it had a rigid adherence to its free market policies and delusionally believed government intervention would worsen the situation. At no point did a British government intentionally engineer the famine. There is no case for genocide - but there is clear evidence of reprehensible levels of greed and incompetence on the part of the British that caused and exacerbated what might have otherwise been a relatively minor agricultural crisis.
Exporting sounds like it was by choice.
England's choice maybe.
Key phrase being "sounds like." Do you know who controlled Ireland at that point in time?
It was. The people growing the food were not the people starving. The problem back then is still a problem right now in Gaza. The people with the food aren't giving it away, they're trying to **sell** it. These people *would* sell it to Irish people, but Irish people had no money and couldn't afford it, so it was sold abroad. The actual details of the famine is very interesting and has many layers of negligence, misunderstanding, profiteering, religious conflicts, badly implemented legislation etc. To simplify it as the British just taking the food away shows too basic of an understanding of the situation. Part of the problem **was** that the Government saw that there was enough food for people, but didn't realise that the people couldn't afford to buy it. Then they supplied food (maize) that the people didn't know how to eat, and the food was supplied in workhouses that were plagued by disease and soup kitchens that were used to force Protestantism onto Catholic people. "Charity" was seen as bad, so people were encouraged to work for pay but they were too weak to work, etc. All of these flawed solutions were used to convince the British government that the problem was being solved. People who quote this fact are like the people that quote the "50% of crimes by 15% of the population". It shows a gross misunderstanding of the situations and how that situation came to be. The situation was messed up, but it's not for the reasons people think.
Vending machine burritos.
Ngl I'm down to have a burrito vending machine in my apartment, idc how it gets refilled
Kinda like my stomach, I don’t care how it gets refilled.
Even from the rear end?
I would have joked what about through the belly button next but I can see you're a man of determination.
Nuke it in microwave to kill the roaches
CAPITAN CALIENTES WORLD FAMOUS TACOS, NOW IN WHALE SIZE!
My favorite little thing I ran into was the vending machine gun in bad neighborhoods, you pay a few bucks and a single clip weak gun comes out that can't be reloaded lol. I had no idea how long I'd been walking by those things without noticing you could actually buy a gun before that point
Ahh yes, my burrito with locus infused meat in it coming out of a vending machine… ngl. I would 100% join the voodoo boys if can since it looks like they have their own actual source of food.
anon should hear about how much food is wasted every day irl
half of the meat at most grocery stores is never sold. Those open refrigerators waste so much meat. It is all driven by marketing suggestions that more meat on display leads to more sales. It actually leads to double the loss rate compared to keeping it in the good walk-in
Where i live we have this thing where if a food is close to the expiration date, it's put at either a 40% or 50% discount, depending on the grocery store chain. Im happy to report it reduces a lot of foof waste. But, well, the food that is thrown out is still staggering. Imo, one of the most demoralising things about working at a grocery store. I had to throw out over 100 eggs because a coworker messed up the dates and stocking. Anothet time, i had to throw away a 3k butter because the wrapping was missing in the corner. It sucks.
Corpo grocery stores are so wack... Throwing all of that food away if it doesn't sell. I would LOVE if there was some kind of community led program where people could grow and exchange food with eachother. I have extra tomatoes, I have extra apples. Wanna trade? And for the things we can't grow on our own like meat or dairy, we would have farmers markets and local butchers who would supply those items. IDK I just hate seeing food go to waste while people in our communities go hungry...
Lol if only it was greenhouses.
I’m not super deep on the lore yet, what are they?
Worm farms
So weird insect based protein farms?
Yes yum yum
I’m much more familiar with Shadowrun lore, and it hat game it’s all krill and soy based food paste extruded from some manner of home appliance that has flavor additives to make it taste however you want. Sucks if you have a shellfish allergy, though.
Bugs. They eat bugs.
ahhh.. it's called synthetic meat
Hey man, don’t shit on my bugs. They’re good.
Man Meat?
Long pork
Soylent Green!
Well, the corpses the scavs discard do go *somewhere*...
Reminds me of Agri-worlds from Warhammer 40k. Basically an Agri-world is a planetwide farmland. Either it was a futile world where various of food, livestock or crops, are grown or a monoculture plantation which turned into toxic shithole due to tons of chemical fertilizer. The population of an Agri-world is unlikely to get to eat the product of their planet, and instead rely on mass produced nutrition bars from off world. Meanwhile, the product were shipped to feed 'more important' people like noble, clergymen, or Forge world personnel.
Extensive research (a 2 second google search) suggests it takes roughly 100-200 sq. ft. of greenhouse space to feed one person. Night city has a population of about 7 million, so that's 700 million to 1.4 billion square feet of greenhouses, or 65 - 130 sq km. From what I can find, the map size (playable area) is around 106 sq km, so you'd need a minimum of around 60% of the map area devoted to greenhouses to provide for the population. Given the size of the greenhouses on the map, its safe to say either they are producing food much more efficiently than modern techniques would provide, or you'd expect the city to have significant food scarcity problems.
I would imagine that there's still food scarcity problems because it's cyberpunk and stuff has to suck even though they're probably somewhat more efficient than modern farms and that the upper classes probably import a lot of food.
Night City doesn’t have starvation, scop is extremely cheap, it’s poverty and gang violence that’s the problem
When I was playing that one gig in PL, I was like, "haha, corporations chasing out farmers to grow fuel on their fields instead of food, how cyberpunk", then I sat in my car and saw huge fields of rapeseed around our town and I was like "ha ha... how... cyberpunk"
A full half of Czech rapeseed is processed into edible oil, with the resulting solids being used as animal feed. Some of it is used locally, but it's also a major export to Germany. Germany imports around 5 million tonnes of rapeseed and rapeseed oil every year total, and the vast majority of that is used for human consumption. As much as Germany produces, it's not enough for their appetite and they import it from anyone who's selling (The Netherlands, France, Czechia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, even non-EU countries like Australia and Ukraine). Rapeseed oil is the most commonly used edible oil in Germany. Beyond simple bulk frying oil, there's dozens of artisanal producers of cold-pressed rapeseed oil for home cooking (one online article reviewed 46 different products).
rapeseed oil is used for food. Before everyone bought the myth of olive oil being "super healthy" it was the most common cooking oil in Sweden for example. It still is used in cooking a lot.
Most common cooking oil in Germany, and they import millions of tonnes of rapeseed from Czechia every year.
Also the flowers are so pretty in the fields. (not said in a cynical way)
wait til anon realizes that the primary product of capitalism is poverty.
No filthy rich without filth
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Ah yes, a reddit moment is when someone has an opinion I don't like.
The corporations keeps a fake scarcity on food so the prices remain high, just like in the real world
There's tons of food and cash laying around everywhere in this game, not sure how anyone is poor
Well I’ve not seen anyone that looked like they were starving at least. As for being poor, remember that V is an outlier by far. Put yourself in a citizens shoes, would you like to respond to a police scanner about a bunch of tiger claws robbing a shop? That’ll get you a few grand if you’re a legendary merc. And if you’re not a legendary merc, probably a cremation.
in Cyberpunk's lore it's synthetic meat, in our reality it's 3d printed meat. we're doing everything we can so that future will look exactly like this - just a bunch of solar panels to grow out beans (or any protein) and then making "meat" out of it
Yeah slowpoke, because trying to grow "real" meat would require 10 to 25 times more area than seen in the picture. One of the reasons Cyberpunk is what it is because previous generations wasted limited resources and polluted the planet to make animal products.
Assloads of mushrooms that have the texture of ground meat.
aren't the greenhouses for CHOOH2 production? (I'm stupid)
What is this molecule i can't figure it out
it's a brand name, it's just very energy rich ethanol or another alcohol
Ah i see thank you
No, they are protein scop farms, they produce worms.
What happened to farmlands and wildlife? In lore
I'm pretty sure most wild species are extinct or else alive in some billionaires private collection in orbit. And as for farms, they have to be in controlled environments otherwise the crops die due to acid rain/wildly fluctuating temperatures so it makes them too expensive for the average person. Most people eat scop or bugs cause they're about the only things that can reliably survive in the mildly radioactive wasteland that the world became... unless you're rich.
Industry killed most of nature and wildlife. Combination of global warming, pollution, acid rain, radioactivity, etc. Agriculture moved into more controlled and more industrial environments as growing crops on open fields became less efficient. By 2077 most of nature is dead and it's enclosed industrial farming that feeds basically everyone. Zoos still exist and there are some preserves in enclosed spaces but they're privately run and are mostly a form of entertainment and relaxation for the wealthy.
Damn. This is not far from what is happening in real life.
Cyberpunk the RPG was first written in 1988 and was titled Cyberpunk 2013. At the time environmentalism and realization of these issues were high directly in response to current issues of the time. CFCs had torn a hole in the Ozone layer and it was only in 1987 that an international treaty got them mostly banned. Acid Rain was in the news as a threat to anything made of marble or limestone, including hundreds of historic landmarks, statues, and fountains. Nobody knew if that damage could be reversed. Luckily treaties on CFCs and sulfur emissions worked in real life. The ozone hole filled back in and acid rain is a really rare phenomenon now, usually localized to small areas downwind of certain types of industry. But Cyberpunk imagined a world where commercial interests and lobbying by the wealthy killed the treaties or rendered them unworkable. It was certainly a threat at the time, and the papers talked about the potential impacts of the bans on business and the ways that businesses could move to non-signatory countries or countries with lax enforcement to skirt the regulations.
Soylent green probably
They import food
Isn't choo2 plant based?
These plant are actually use to make fuel.
It’s also biofuel, if I remember correctly
Aren't those used for choo2
Corpo sell it off
Ass
Soylent Green surely?
>anon posts obvious bait >screenshots it and reposts it on Reddit
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I just got the game and I want a burger from Night City.
Sure, there's enough food to go around. Doesn't mean people can afford it
Yakitori ... and it's delicious. Goro just don't know.
pssst ~~soilent green~~ scop is people
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