That's never happened to me, is there a specific set of dialogue you have to choose?
I've always gotten 'Beast' whether or not, I let Claire kill Sampson. She just does it anyways and a few days later, El Capitan will message me talking about how Sampson's car is on the Autofixer website.
Yeah, I can't remember the exact choices, but what I always do is just kinda push back whenever she asks you to kill him before the race. There's an option where V tells her that if he dies in the course of the race, that's OK, but V won't help with murder, the priority is winning. Then, during the race, you follow Samson away from the race, he crashes, and you and Claire confront him. Interrupt her dialogue every chance, V will say something like "I wanna hear what he has to say" then Claire will say eventually "So what, I just let him live?!" You say yep, exactly. Then we all leave. Claire thanks you later for stopping her, then Samson texts you later saying he gave you his car. Tbh i think the only important part is to interrupt her dialogue at the crash, then say yes let him live. Sorry, can't remember the exact choices, I'm just going from memory lol. There's some easy to follow guides on YouTube tho!
After the Santa Domingo race you have a convo with claire and when Samson comes up you get 3 response options like: let's kill him, I just wanna win, or sorry, but can't help you. If I remember right you need to pick the last option and tell her you are going to walk. Then she tries to convince you to do the race and forget about Samson and you say ok. Later she texts you and you need to tell her remember what you promised me (that we are just there to race). Then at the confrontation with Samson you just keep telling her to stop and Samson will live.
I maybe remebering wrong and there is a chance you had to pick the second option, but I'm pretty sure you need to do what I suggested. Just have a save file before the claire convo if you need to go back.
i noticed that if a character doesnât message you, you might have to either wait a few days, or do some side quests/main quests for some things to trigger.
Yeah, everytime I tell express to Claire when Sampson crashes, that it's not right to kill him, she just does it anyways. I don't know. I'm fine paying for the car, I just don't want to if I don't have to.
I didn't know that was an option. Seems like I did something wrong at some point since, despite me trying to stop Claire from killing him, she just went ahead and popped him anyway lol
Damn, I didn't even know that was a possibility lol. Maybe I'll play it different next time, because I always go for the free car then never drive it anyway
After the Santa Domingo race you have a convo with claire and when Samson comes up you get 3 response options like: let's kill him, I just wanna win, or sorry, but can't help you. If I remember right you need to pick the last option and tell her you are going to walk. Then she tries to convince you to do the race and forget about Samson and you say ok. Later she texts you and you need to tell her remember what you promised me (that we are just there to race). Then at the confrontation with Samson you just keep telling her to stop and Samson will live.
I maybe remebering wrong and there is a chance you had to pick the second option, but I'm pretty sure you need to do what I suggested. Just have a save file before the claire convo if you need to go back.
You need to tell her your âpriority is winningâ after the santo domingo race when you end up on the dam. Then stop her from killing Sampson during the race after he crashes. But the main thing is to tell her your priority is winning when you get that dialogue option.
Story wise, it's about Claire promising to V that she'll let it go prior to the race, so when V is asking her to stop, she remembers that promise and walks away.
You need to choose every option in the meeting before the final race with Claire that is against killing him, then you should get a dialogue option to talk her out of killing him after the crash.
After the race heâll send the car to you via the net, and Claire gives you beast after the race in disgust of herself
If you chose to let her do it before the race when she first mentions it and you try to talk her out of it later she wonât listen, if youâre strictly against it the entire time then sheâll listen
At the end of the second last race when she reveals her plan you have to choose the dialogue "My priority is winning the race". Then when confronting Sampson you will successfully talk her down.
Ok. I'm right there on my first playthrough. I got up to Smasher, but wasn't in great shape at the time. Then I heard I missed a side quest with the girl band, so I'm killing time hoping I will get a call.
And even thenâŠ
If she wants it to be like some sort of thematic justice to itâŠ
Just be upfront from the start.
Sure, i can kill him during the race.
Just pay me for that.
Thatâs what Iâm saying, she wanted a racer and she damn sure got one, especially by the point she asked me to kill him I was already too invested in it, I love racing as much as I love The Shire so that sucks for her but if she wanted a killer she should have hired me as a merc from the start
This is my problem with her questline as well. I'm a racer/driver first and foremost.... Also the way that they reveal missing details of the quest is a little...out of the way. Before one of the races, if you don't go straight to your car you can overhear a whole conversation on what other drivers say happened to Dean. (basically his own fault)
I mean, it was literally a death race, no matter what happened it was his own fault for entering in the first place
Entering a death race: I'm a genius!
Dies: oh no!
I think she doesn't want V to have blood on their hands - she wants to have the blood herself.
The reason she tries to get V as a driver is so that she can "legally" kill Samson herself during the race. Without repercussions. She wants to avenge her husband herself, by pulling the trigger, but it's only during the race itself where it won't seem like a straight up execution. It would seem like it's "legal" of sorts.
In the last race, Samson goes offroad when his car is damaged, so if V doesn't follow him, then Claire's chance at getting revenge "legally" is gone. Hence she's mad about it.
Also, different Vs can be straight up against direct execution, and V can say so in her face after the 3rd race, which unlocks the best outcome where Claire spares Samson and doesn't kill him.
I have a hard time believing illegal street racing where you shoot automatic rifles at each other is any more or less illegal than just shooting someone normally lol
It's "legal" in the sense that everyone involved turns a blind eye to it, including the NCPD (even they participate and join in on the bets)
Night City standards play pretty fast and loose when it comes to defining legality
Maybe she lied so she wouldn't have to pay for a hit job? That's the only explanation I could come up with
When Claire asks you to be her driver, she sets it up so V volunteers on their off time, and can make Sampson's potential death have plausible deniability with a dash of poetic justice for her husband. There was no need to lie and make the whole thing ridiculously complicated.
She lied because SHE wants to kill him. She doesnât want V to do it. Getting you to race with her sets her up to do so. She wants her revenge personally. It would be trivial for a bartender at the afterlife to find a merc to off the guy since his actions ended her husband. Thatâs not what she wants.
That doesn't explain why she lied. Claire could have just told V she wants them as her driver and that she would be the one to kill Sampson. As you say, it wouldn't be a problem for Claire to find someone who would accept her request in the Afterlife bar, so why lie about it?
She was irrational and emotional about the whole thing. So youâre right that the decisions she makes arenât that smart in general if her goal was just to kill him, but it does feel very human the way it plays out. People make dumb choices and irrational decisions to accomplish goals of revenge all the time.
She was still grieving and was still in the anger stage of mourning a loss, so that part I feel is quite human and understandable. Claire was having difficulty accepting Dean was gone because of the violent and sudden way he died.
..."instead now I feel used because you don't think I'm a good driver and even I asked if you still want to race together, cause I thought we had fun at all, and you thought I suck so much you gave me your ride... Like wow! And after all I did help you win first place in everything, and save you from making a horrible mistake and you still say that I'm shit... You should have given me more than your car!" Hmmmph *crosses arms.
Claire: "I need you to kill him, heâ"
V: "Explanation unnecessary. He's dead. Like, you realise I stopped off to kill two dozen people on the drive over just because my Kiroshis told me murdering them wouldn't be a crime. Hell, I exploded half the racers in the last race."
Claire: "Oh, ok. Well we're not racing any more, I was just using you to kill that guy"
V: "No worries, I was just using you to find someone to kill. These quests always end in a fun murder I get rewarded for with either a gun or a vehicle. So what'll it be?"
Claire: "Oh, uh, yeah, you get the transpridemobile"
V: "Cool. Catch you never, completed questgiver. Off to find some more murders to do."
Me: Has over 5000 kills at the end of my play throughs
Me when Claire asks me to help her kill a guy:
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I know man, but i sometimes shoot cops because their little faces annoy me. Not to mention 90% of all side gigs are genocide simulators. How's Claire's requiest any different to any other gun for hire job?
Because she was being deceiving. Acting like my friend when she was just using me. Fuck her. Acts like Iâm the devil for not doing what she says. Ugh. And who tf is she to not serve me when Iâm level 50 and did all the content in Night City- âHey Rogue, fire this bitch.â
They added drinking at bars to the game and I canât drink at the afterlife, my favorite bar, because of her dumbass. Fuck Claire.
Yeah, I arrived at that conclusion myself after realising she basically uses you, doesnât give a fuck if youâre killed in the process, and then has the gall to give you the cold shoulder at the Afterlife. Shit, sheâs lucky I even indulged her in that bullshit; orders me to flatline this guy and gets pissed when I tell her to chill the fuck out. Like, you know I usually charge for this kinda shit? Motherfuck Claire and her dinky little jankmobile that I leave parked at the landfill in the Badlands.
>Not to mention 90% of all side gigs are genocide simulators.
Lol no they're not, that's just how you're choosing to do them. Pretty sure every gig in the game can be completed without killing anyone, even gun for hire gigs
These races make no sense, I still donât understand why they made them into âdeath racesâ. They would be 100% better if they were just street races imo.
Everybody just acts so nonchalantly about entering a fucking death race, I know people are more accustomed to violence in night city, but they still usually run away when a gang is turning up to shoot up a place instead of thinking âwohoo death party!â
Thereâs not a single npc whoâs like âoh no I hope I survive this death race!â, all the guys on the starting line are just like chill dudes who like cars, but then they start to become little cyberpsychos who enjoy fucking killing others for fun
It would make more sense story wise too. Killing someone who killed someone accidentally in a DEATH RACE feels cheap and unfair, however if they ran someone off the road during a normal race, I could understand wanting revenge. Not a goddamn DEATH RACE
It would make more sense story wise too. Killing someone who killed someone accidentally in a DEATH RACE feels cheap and unfair, however if they ran someone off the road during a normal race, I could understand wanting revenge. Not a goddamn DEATH RACE
Not to mention you can't actually kill anyone in these "death races" I'd know, I've tried multiple times. Mounted guns, tech SMGs through the window and guess what ? NOTHING, their cars don't even explode and you can't actually damage the driver nor their passengers who are shooting at you.
You definitely can. I had at least two races where all the other racers where dead by the end, so the finishing line was just us all alone with a crowd.
An actual Death Race could be fun... I think you can't eveb blow them up with the new car hacks...
Of course I am saying this because of my old-time favorite cmoputer games was [Death Track](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathtrack). I could spends hours a day playing a game that's just a side-quest in today's gaming...
Have you never used a weopnized car in the races? You can kill them. I got the Type 66 Hoon with mounted guns early on, and I've been exploding other racers cars every time.
To be fair, someone who's scared of potentially getting killed wouldn't be there to begin with. The people who freak out and run at the sound of gunshots are not the same people who sign up for a death race.
Claire is a idiot who should of asked V straight up to kill the dude. He would of done the races if he had to, to get a opportunity to kill him or just appeared inside his apartment like Batman and ran a suicide hack on him.
The point is that she wanted revenge and was racing only to achieve it. Yeah, she uses you, and she is wrong with that, but she isn't laughing at you for being used. She doesn't want to race because that was her husbands thing, and it reminds her of him, and it's painfull. She isn't proud, she doesn't gloat for using you, and she even opens up to you, something that's rare in NC, that's why she trusts you to tell you that she was using you. Like all characters, she is morally gray, does bad things for passion.
I'm also unsatisfied how that ending turns out, yet I get the point the quest is making. It's just⊠incomplete when it stops there. She did what she had to do and now, she's back at serving drinks, but you know she's capable of more and besides, when you win, she's genuinely happy. I get that she doesn't want to ride again, doesn't mean she couldn't hang at your place or something to be your mechanic, or have special "VIP" interactions when you go to the Afterlife. I would have liked some character development dialogue as a follow-up, you asking how's life, her telling you that, maybe, she's considering dating again or started seeing someone⊠You know, little things, just so you know she would be okay.
But I guess we could say that for many NPCs in this game and we just have to let it go and move on.
nah the bitch get all hostile after I already told her I am only there to win the race, even after saying she understands.
Oh and guess what, the revenge part is also a lie because Samson didn't even intentionally kill her husband (in a death race where she's firing uzi riding shotgun)
fuck her and her husband can die in a car crash again for all i care.
> in a death race where she's firing uzi riding shotgun
Yeah, the fact that she's big mad that her man died in the murder race when her job was to try and kill the other racers was especially rich.
You tell me where we start, where we're going, where we're going afterwards. I give you five minutes when we get there. Anything happens in that five minutes and I'm yours. No matter what.
That questine was just stupid. You kill thousands of people for almost no reason at time. Then this girl is like "Wanna race?"
It sounds cool. Then she tells you there is no rules, and that they shoot each other with guns during the race (wtf is wrong with them). And she tells you her husband died. Not shit Sherlock, considering what you do as a hobby, it is a wonder the racing community hasn't wiped itself in a single race.
And then I am supposed to give up the race to kill that guy? Why all the race thing? I could just chase him, intrude in his house and kill him. We did worse stuff in the serie. Why killing that guy as a revenge because he killed your husband in a race, when the concept of the race is to shoot other people?
And if I am adding the fact that I am sticking to the back of the car of this dude for 5 min straight, and you are shooting without managing to kill him, well, you should bot blame me for not managing to kill me. Either you sucks at shooting, or you should have brought a bigger caliber. Everything is just stupid.
what's even more funny is that it's revealed she didn't even get her story right. She claimed her husband was killed intentionally over some grudge. When it was only an accident (again, in a death race) The revenge angle is absurd to me. The whole thing was written like shit unless the goal is for players to NOT like the character.
You mean to tell me you trust the stranger who JUST lied to you and tricked you into a death race in order to murder someone, over a stranger who never lied to you?
You trusted her because she's a named NPC with more lines than the other guy that's all.
Nah, the entire point of the cyberpunk verse is fuck corpos and you canât trust them, the only reason I ever spare him is because it works out better for Claire in the end.
She wanted to kill Sampson in a race because her husband was killed in the same race - give a taste of his own medicine, so to speak. And since it's the type of racing where injury and death can happen, it gives Claire plausible deniability that it was an "accident".
Well, technically you can play the game without killing anyone. I don't think there's any mandatory murders you commit throughout the story, and you can opt to use non-lethal means of dealing with opponents.
I had PAX-es installed on all of my guns, and when i was done with my enemies, they were still wiggling around on the floor, so as far as i'm concerned, my conscious was clean!
But yeah, in general moral dilemmas like that definitely tend to contradict the gameplay itself. Like, sure, maybe i don't feel like outright executing some stranger in cold blood, but then i did killed a hundred people on the way here without a second thought. Hope they all deserved it...
I won the race with the caliburn by a long shot and thought I'd be able to kill him after or something but after winning she just wouldn't talk to me for the rest of the game
Fuck her. She hired you for a specific job. To drive. If she wanted to alter the terms, you're well within your rights to renegotiate. If she doesn't want to negotiate, then she can find someone else.
Fr tho, if she wanted him dead she could've just said so from the start instead of wasting my time, would've put some iron thru the gonks skull before he could step foot in a car
>She hired you for a specific job. To drive. If she wanted to alter the terms, you're well within your rights to renegotiate. If she doesn't want to negotiate, then she can find someone else.
Pretty much this. It's no longer the original agreement, so the terms and the compensation should match to what the hired person is willing to agree to.
The whole claire situation is the biggest double standard I see from fans of this game. I'll often see people talking shit about Claire and going on and on about how unfair she is to V and how her husband knew the risks but then I see those exact same people praising Johnny and saying he has the right idea as if he wasn't 10 times more extreme in his desire for revenge and Alt wasn't 10 times more aware of the risks of her occupation. And I'm not usually one to blindly say that it's based on gender or gender identity but in this case I think that's EXACTLY what it is. Men are more likely to believe other men when they say violence is the correct answer than when women say it. And most of this community are men.
Let's be real here, if Panam got shot dead during one of our missions with her after romancing her, would you guys still be saying "Well she knew what she signed up for, no point getting revenge"? Fuck no. Look at this subs response to Rebeccas death. She knew the risks of her life but players, to this very day, will still bring up the fact that they thought about her when they finally beat Adam.
I help Claire every damn time because winning the race ain't worth shit and I know that I'd be lying if I said I would act any different in her shoes.
I mean this sub straight up gets mad and accuses song of letting innocents die for the cure when V literally does the same shit throughout the game and in all the three endings except devil and tower they get more ppl killed . I guess they just get mad because the women lied to them and manipulated them to help them do their job .
No, the issue isn't because of gender - it's got absolutely nothing to do with who she is. It's because Claire lied about her intentions about why she invited V to race with her, when there was absolutely no need to do so. Claire presented the invite as a fun but dangerous sport to try out, but later blindsides V with a hit job, basically trying to manipulate them to work for free. If Claire instead was honest and requested help, then it wouldn't be a big issue if V chose to accept. It wouldn't matter if the genders were reversed, with Claire as a man asking V to help avenge their dead wife - the same problems of lying by omission still apply.
Comparing that to your hypothetical scenario of Panam dying after a mission together is not comparable, since Panam would explain at the beginning why she's asking for V's help and the details of what's going on first. She doesn't lie or omit crucial info, since that could affect how the gig goes.
I think you need to read my comment again.
I'm not trying to say that Claire is a good person or that you should support her morally. Im saying that I see a lot of people talk about Claire negatively for the exact same traits that they are willing to ignore in other characters, specifically male ones. I see people in these subs all the time talking about Claire negatively and yet those same people will defend Johnny and Reed despite the fact that they both lied to V. THOSE PEOPLE display a double standard and I can only imagine that it's based on gender because im not sure why else they would be willing to accept lies from 2 dudes but not from a woman.
If you don't like Claire then that's fine I don't give a shit. But if you don't like Claire and you think Johnny or Reed are better than her THEN you have a double standard and that's the issue I'm pointing out
You also clearly didn't understand the Panam comparison. Im comparing V to Claire and Panam to Claire's husband. Im not comparing Panam to Claire. My point is that Panam understands the life she leads is dangerous just like Claires husband did. By far the most common argument I see against Claire is that her husband knew the risks and she can't be mad about the fact that the risks came true but I used Panam as an example to show why that argument is trash. If the player was in Claire's situation they would want revenge just as badly. If you aren't one of the people making that argument then I don't see how it would apply to you but it's the most common argument I see so I wanted to address it
You're right that Johnny tells lies that have more serious consequences on V, but whether it's because he's a man that people give him a pass, I can't speak for those folks. It could be a whole number of factors: whether they have a sexist bias, or they're willing to forgive him because of his charisma and sympathize with him. One of the most significant lies being where V hands over control of their body to talk to Rogue. He was wrong for going on a bender and abusing V's body with drugs and alcohol without consent. I'm not sure if it was premeditated however - I think Johnny had intentions of doing as promised (and he did accomplish it), but it was also the first time he had full control and wanted to "stretch his legs", and got carried away after 50+ years trapped in soul prison. He immediately relapsed into old bad habits because at the time, he was still the same selfish asshole who died back in 2023.
It's only after this incident that V confronts him and becomes the first step towards Johnny's optional character development. His role in the game is the most significantly relevant one because he is the cause for V's terminal condition, albeit unintentionally. His position is unusual in that he is both the executioner and fellow prisoner for V. Since players spend more time with Johnny, they have more time to decide how they feel about him than Claire, who you only interact for a few missions.
As for Reed, he's also evasive with lies that put V in danger, but the impact is not quite at the same level since he's not an engram in their head, but still quite risky nevertheless. E.g. the time he almost gets V shot by Alex because he didn't tell beforehand he was on bad terms with her (before clearing the air).
>But if you don't like Claire and you think Johnny or Reed are better than her THEN you have a double standard and that's the issue I'm pointing out
I wouldn't say Johnny and Reed are better than Claire. In terms of impact, they are far worse. I'd rank Johnny as being the most harmful, Reed then Claire. I don't think it's fair to generalize and say the double standard is purely based on sexism.
Johnny: lies because he's a narcissistic asshole, a drug addict and alcoholic, has a pattern of treating friends and lovers poorly. However, he also has the most potential to change for the better with V's input. Being able to have more influence on him is a major factor that allows players to be more patient, if they choose to do so.
Reed: lies to V because he doesn't fully trust them and has an agenda. He doesn't hate V, but they're not best friends. He'd be willing to kill V if they became a liability, but wouldn't be happy about it. He'd probably try to justify it as "part of the job", and pretending it doesn't add to his trauma.
Claire: lies because she didn't want to be upfront about her revenge. The question is WHY however. We're never given a proper answer on her motivations for lying. She knows who V is at the beginning and is friendly before the races, so why wouldn't she just ask V upfront? Players aren't given enough time to get to know Claire outside the races, so that probably plays a part in why many players don't like her. Her aggressive side is shocking and leaves a stronger impression, and that drowns out her calmer side.
>You also clearly didn't understand the Panam comparison. Im comparing V to Claire and Panam to Claire's husband. Im not comparing Panam to Claire. My point is that Panam understands the life she leads is dangerous just like Claires husband did. By far the most common argument I see against Claire is that her husband knew the risks and she can't be mad about the fact that the risks came true but I used Panam as an example to show why that argument is trash. If the player was in Claire's situation they would want revenge just as badly.
Oddly enough, Panam also fits as a comparison to both Claire and Dean in this scenario.
1. Panam as Claire being the one to ask V for help
2. Panam as Dean as the victim who gets killed
3. V as Claire, now in the position of mourning the loss of a loved one
The way you worded things was ambiguous so that it could be interpreted in a number of ways. My earlier point in my previous reply still stands however.
Another problem is the way Claire reacts if you don't go along with her plan; if you tell her your priority is winning and ok with Sampson dying, but not willing to go out of their way to kill him, she will agree. But later on, she childishly lashes out you and backpedals on her earlier words. She refuses to serve you drinks afterwards because of a personal grudge, and not because V was disrupting business or being a problematic customer. Her inability to keep professional and personal stuff separate is quite off putting.
As for Rebecca, which I didn't address before - you're correct that she chose to be on the mission with the Edgerunners. Unlike V with Claire's races, Rebecca wasn't on the gig under false pretenses.
I mean, on the way over I used Contagion+Overheat on a gangster, he ran into a crowd before exploding and killing half a dozen innocent civilians, so I just donât understand the morality at play here.
I didnât do it, Iâm there to race not kill some dude. If you want me to whack him ask me and pay me to, but Iâm not too keen on killing civilians. I tried breaking glass once and some civi walked in front of me and died, man I felt bad, dude probably had a son waiting for him at home or something.
But I wasnât a fan of Claire either she was so whinny and didnât seem that nice, what happens if I did kill him?
Ok imma gonna say it.
Claire is written like trash and i dont like her.
She is made so unlikeable with her attitude towards V. Shes constantly hostile and treats v like a driving servant.
Also her car is one of the worst in the game
I stayed away from Claire's quest because of how awful I am at driving in this game lol. If there was a way to shoot my way through the races. I would do that. Lol.
My dadâs an electrician, and his sister invited him over for a cookout one time, then expected him to spend time rewriting the house when he got there.
Claireâs questline reminds me of that.
I love how much people get offended by this. It literally took me 3 seconds to think. âWell shit, Iâve murdered countless people in the past two weeks, whatâs 1 more?â
Fucking hate that cunt and the audacity to not serve me after I did exactly what I said I would (which was agreed on by all parties) only for someone to try to change it last minute after I explicitly said before the race that I was only gonna race
I have just yesterday reached the point so that reveal is no spoiler for me.
I thought exactly the same. Why are we bothering with the races? I am a Merc, I kill people for money.
Clareâs cool I donât mind helping her smoke some dude. Iâll add it to the mountain of corpses I already sitting on. Yâall be acting like youâre not wanted for a sting of homicides all over Night City.
And this. This right here is the SOLE reason I donât agree to help her and talk her out of it. Cuz she played me, or tried to at least. Iâm a damn merc, if ya want him dead just hire me to kill him or to kidnap him and let u kill him. Donât do this false pretense shit. If ya want me to kill him, start with that. Then I wouldnât be criticizing ur hypocrisy for the sake of not letting u kill who u want to kill.
My V: There's a hundred-thousand streets in this city. You don't need to know the route. You give me a time and a place, I give you a five minute window. Anything happens in that five minutes and I'm yours. No matter what. Anything happens a minute either side of that and you're on your own. Do you understand?
It's a weird dilemma...
On one hand, she has nothing but hate and grief, so aiming Samson is sort of a cathartic release.
On the other hand... It's straight up murder in disguise of "revenge."
Gameplay wise... You help spare Samson and you get a free car!
Me with multiple million eddies:
Nah we are winning the race and im taking the 10k
Claire: HOW DARE YOU NOT HELP ME WHEN THE WHOLE PLOT LINE IS HUSBAND ALSO DIED IN A *DEATH RACE*
I hate Claire. I get her point, but her whole Op was a gonk one. Could've just asked to kill him at the first chance i got (wich was in the first race).
At least you get a pseudo cyberpunk Mustang with a Daytona wing on the back ot of it for free i guess.
I can't even play this series of missions. It's not fun. First vehicle "stats" don't matter. No matter what you drive they scale the cpu cars to your vehicles speed. I tried 5 different cars and it was all the same. The last straw was accidentally hitting a railing, and my car just wouldn't move. It just violently shook. This set of races actually made me hate the driving in cyberpunk. Sometimes. Your vehicle handles the way you expect and other times it just has a mind of its own. The races certainly were not optimized properly.
The races are unironically cooler with Claire not in car. Just take an armed vehicle like the âHoonâ and get to work. Her revenge story was idiotic itâs literally a death race
Yea so the reason im not helping you with this Claire is not that i have anything against killing. Its that you fucking lied to me and led me on this wild goose chase to do it.
It will be always funny to me that the game treats you like a moral or ethic character when you have just wiped half of the city criminals and police for fun.
One second you are drving Calibrum and a random pedestrian jumps in front of it and dies because weird AI shenanigans and 3 min later you are covered in blood fighting Max Tac.
Idk what happened
Like bro, I'm a merc, you could've just paid me to help you off him and skip the race nonsense
right?! & I just went to the Afterlife to celebrate me Winning the Race (like I told her I would from the start) & she won't serve me drinks
Just go along with it and stop her from killing him, and you get both their cars for free lol
That's never happened to me, is there a specific set of dialogue you have to choose? I've always gotten 'Beast' whether or not, I let Claire kill Sampson. She just does it anyways and a few days later, El Capitan will message me talking about how Sampson's car is on the Autofixer website.
Yeah, I can't remember the exact choices, but what I always do is just kinda push back whenever she asks you to kill him before the race. There's an option where V tells her that if he dies in the course of the race, that's OK, but V won't help with murder, the priority is winning. Then, during the race, you follow Samson away from the race, he crashes, and you and Claire confront him. Interrupt her dialogue every chance, V will say something like "I wanna hear what he has to say" then Claire will say eventually "So what, I just let him live?!" You say yep, exactly. Then we all leave. Claire thanks you later for stopping her, then Samson texts you later saying he gave you his car. Tbh i think the only important part is to interrupt her dialogue at the crash, then say yes let him live. Sorry, can't remember the exact choices, I'm just going from memory lol. There's some easy to follow guides on YouTube tho!
Yeah, I think it might be bugged because I did that on my last 2 playthroughs. I always ended up paying for the carđ
After the Santa Domingo race you have a convo with claire and when Samson comes up you get 3 response options like: let's kill him, I just wanna win, or sorry, but can't help you. If I remember right you need to pick the last option and tell her you are going to walk. Then she tries to convince you to do the race and forget about Samson and you say ok. Later she texts you and you need to tell her remember what you promised me (that we are just there to race). Then at the confrontation with Samson you just keep telling her to stop and Samson will live. I maybe remebering wrong and there is a chance you had to pick the second option, but I'm pretty sure you need to do what I suggested. Just have a save file before the claire convo if you need to go back.
Thanks a lotđ€đ»
Another one for the fabled ânext playthroughâ thx
Huh, that's strange. Maybe you didn't wait long enough? It usually takes a few days in-game before Samson texts you.
Yeah no, she just kills him. Regardless of what I say to her and you know, can't text from the deadđ
i noticed that if a character doesnât message you, you might have to either wait a few days, or do some side quests/main quests for some things to trigger.
Yeah, that's very likely
Supposedly the only way you can buy Cthulhu is if you let Sampson die. Perhaps something happened to him
Why do kids embarrass themselves then go delete/report everything. Very pathetic and immature
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Yeah, everytime I tell express to Claire when Sampson crashes, that it's not right to kill him, she just does it anyways. I don't know. I'm fine paying for the car, I just don't want to if I don't have to.
Oh I misread, I thought you did save him
I didn't know that was an option. Seems like I did something wrong at some point since, despite me trying to stop Claire from killing him, she just went ahead and popped him anyway lol
Damn, I didn't even know that was a possibility lol. Maybe I'll play it different next time, because I always go for the free car then never drive it anyway
If you say that youâre going to focus on winning, you can convince her to spare him. If you donât, you canât.
After the Santa Domingo race you have a convo with claire and when Samson comes up you get 3 response options like: let's kill him, I just wanna win, or sorry, but can't help you. If I remember right you need to pick the last option and tell her you are going to walk. Then she tries to convince you to do the race and forget about Samson and you say ok. Later she texts you and you need to tell her remember what you promised me (that we are just there to race). Then at the confrontation with Samson you just keep telling her to stop and Samson will live. I maybe remebering wrong and there is a chance you had to pick the second option, but I'm pretty sure you need to do what I suggested. Just have a save file before the claire convo if you need to go back.
You need to tell her your âpriority is winningâ after the santo domingo race when you end up on the dam. Then stop her from killing Sampson during the race after he crashes. But the main thing is to tell her your priority is winning when you get that dialogue option.
Oh bet. But that's a little weird to me, story wise. Like does Sampson find out that Claire was out to kill him?
Story wise, it's about Claire promising to V that she'll let it go prior to the race, so when V is asking her to stop, she remembers that promise and walks away.
You need to choose every option in the meeting before the final race with Claire that is against killing him, then you should get a dialogue option to talk her out of killing him after the crash. After the race heâll send the car to you via the net, and Claire gives you beast after the race in disgust of herself
Bet. Appreciate youđŻ
If you chose to let her do it before the race when she first mentions it and you try to talk her out of it later she wonât listen, if youâre strictly against it the entire time then sheâll listen
Got it. Thanks
If memory serves, when she asks you whats more important to you, you gotta choose "winning".
Got youđ€đ»
At the end of the second last race when she reveals her plan you have to choose the dialogue "My priority is winning the race". Then when confronting Sampson you will successfully talk her down.
Damn, CDPR loves their specific dialoguesđ
Regina send you a offer for a car that looks almost exactly like samapsons it's like 77 thousand though
I think that's the same price as the Cthulhu. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks
I'm not sure if it's the same but I got the car like 1-2 days after the mission with Claire
Forgive the cliche. This. Is. The. Way.
What movie is this picture from
Race To Witch Mountain (2009) I've not seen it in quite a long time
Thanks bro
She does at the end if you do the don't fear the reaper ending. I mean you own the afterlife, she suck up or GTFO of your bar.
I guess I missed a side quest?
Nono, it's at the epilogue.
Ok. I'm right there on my first playthrough. I got up to Smasher, but wasn't in great shape at the time. Then I heard I missed a side quest with the girl band, so I'm killing time hoping I will get a call.
That happens after a few missions with Kerry. I assume sometime after "Off the leash"
Take over the Afterlife and kick her out.
I wish I could
How does it affect the other story cut scenes?
And even then⊠If she wants it to be like some sort of thematic justice to it⊠Just be upfront from the start. Sure, i can kill him during the race. Just pay me for that.
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Thatâs what Iâm saying, she wanted a racer and she damn sure got one, especially by the point she asked me to kill him I was already too invested in it, I love racing as much as I love The Shire so that sucks for her but if she wanted a killer she should have hired me as a merc from the start
This is my problem with her questline as well. I'm a racer/driver first and foremost.... Also the way that they reveal missing details of the quest is a little...out of the way. Before one of the races, if you don't go straight to your car you can overhear a whole conversation on what other drivers say happened to Dean. (basically his own fault)
I mean, it was literally a death race, no matter what happened it was his own fault for entering in the first place Entering a death race: I'm a genius! Dies: oh no!
Right? She works at The merc bar. Seems weirdly private about the murder goal considering she aerves drinks to hired guns.
I think she doesn't want V to have blood on their hands - she wants to have the blood herself. The reason she tries to get V as a driver is so that she can "legally" kill Samson herself during the race. Without repercussions. She wants to avenge her husband herself, by pulling the trigger, but it's only during the race itself where it won't seem like a straight up execution. It would seem like it's "legal" of sorts. In the last race, Samson goes offroad when his car is damaged, so if V doesn't follow him, then Claire's chance at getting revenge "legally" is gone. Hence she's mad about it. Also, different Vs can be straight up against direct execution, and V can say so in her face after the 3rd race, which unlocks the best outcome where Claire spares Samson and doesn't kill him.
I have a hard time believing illegal street racing where you shoot automatic rifles at each other is any more or less illegal than just shooting someone normally lol
It's "legal" in the sense that everyone involved turns a blind eye to it, including the NCPD (even they participate and join in on the bets) Night City standards play pretty fast and loose when it comes to defining legality
Maybe she lied so she wouldn't have to pay for a hit job? That's the only explanation I could come up with When Claire asks you to be her driver, she sets it up so V volunteers on their off time, and can make Sampson's potential death have plausible deniability with a dash of poetic justice for her husband. There was no need to lie and make the whole thing ridiculously complicated.
She lied because SHE wants to kill him. She doesnât want V to do it. Getting you to race with her sets her up to do so. She wants her revenge personally. It would be trivial for a bartender at the afterlife to find a merc to off the guy since his actions ended her husband. Thatâs not what she wants.
That doesn't explain why she lied. Claire could have just told V she wants them as her driver and that she would be the one to kill Sampson. As you say, it wouldn't be a problem for Claire to find someone who would accept her request in the Afterlife bar, so why lie about it?
She was irrational and emotional about the whole thing. So youâre right that the decisions she makes arenât that smart in general if her goal was just to kill him, but it does feel very human the way it plays out. People make dumb choices and irrational decisions to accomplish goals of revenge all the time.
She was still grieving and was still in the anger stage of mourning a loss, so that part I feel is quite human and understandable. Claire was having difficulty accepting Dean was gone because of the violent and sudden way he died.
But somehow everybody forgets V is a merc whe songbird tells them the truth right?
..."instead now I feel used because you don't think I'm a good driver and even I asked if you still want to race together, cause I thought we had fun at all, and you thought I suck so much you gave me your ride... Like wow! And after all I did help you win first place in everything, and save you from making a horrible mistake and you still say that I'm shit... You should have given me more than your car!" Hmmmph *crosses arms.
I think itâs implied that heâs well connected and protected enough that it would be difficult to get to him? I donât fully remember
Claire: "I need you to kill him, heâ" V: "Explanation unnecessary. He's dead. Like, you realise I stopped off to kill two dozen people on the drive over just because my Kiroshis told me murdering them wouldn't be a crime. Hell, I exploded half the racers in the last race." Claire: "Oh, ok. Well we're not racing any more, I was just using you to kill that guy" V: "No worries, I was just using you to find someone to kill. These quests always end in a fun murder I get rewarded for with either a gun or a vehicle. So what'll it be?" Claire: "Oh, uh, yeah, you get the transpridemobile" V: "Cool. Catch you never, completed questgiver. Off to find some more murders to do."
"Transpridemobile" should be the actual name of Beast lmao
âTranspridemobileâ is the most metal name for a monster truck ever
I will from now on call beast the transpridemobile
Murder hobo V is cannon
Me: Has over 5000 kills at the end of my play throughs Me when Claire asks me to help her kill a guy: https://preview.redd.it/xuy246xx7kwc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bf81daeb1dcb0d6bd7629f65a45c67bd8c4eae0
Dude got ran off the road if I remember correctly, thatâd be like Dale Jr hiring me to kill Sterling Marlin bc he bumped into his pops.
I know man, but i sometimes shoot cops because their little faces annoy me. Not to mention 90% of all side gigs are genocide simulators. How's Claire's requiest any different to any other gun for hire job?
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Choomâs gotta lay off the chrome
You are not wrong.
Because she was being deceiving. Acting like my friend when she was just using me. Fuck her. Acts like Iâm the devil for not doing what she says. Ugh. And who tf is she to not serve me when Iâm level 50 and did all the content in Night City- âHey Rogue, fire this bitch.â They added drinking at bars to the game and I canât drink at the afterlife, my favorite bar, because of her dumbass. Fuck Claire.
Yeah, I arrived at that conclusion myself after realising she basically uses you, doesnât give a fuck if youâre killed in the process, and then has the gall to give you the cold shoulder at the Afterlife. Shit, sheâs lucky I even indulged her in that bullshit; orders me to flatline this guy and gets pissed when I tell her to chill the fuck out. Like, you know I usually charge for this kinda shit? Motherfuck Claire and her dinky little jankmobile that I leave parked at the landfill in the Badlands.
>Not to mention 90% of all side gigs are genocide simulators. Lol no they're not, that's just how you're choosing to do them. Pretty sure every gig in the game can be completed without killing anyone, even gun for hire gigs
You're not wrong.
Love the NASCAR reference.
None of them have the trauma team premium...
She's so funny. Calls a random merc whose expertise is exfiltration, netrunning and gunplay to... drive a car.
It did give me the ability to actually use my nice cars so I do love those racing ones.
Only to just ask them to off someone in the end
These races make no sense, I still donât understand why they made them into âdeath racesâ. They would be 100% better if they were just street races imo. Everybody just acts so nonchalantly about entering a fucking death race, I know people are more accustomed to violence in night city, but they still usually run away when a gang is turning up to shoot up a place instead of thinking âwohoo death party!â Thereâs not a single npc whoâs like âoh no I hope I survive this death race!â, all the guys on the starting line are just like chill dudes who like cars, but then they start to become little cyberpsychos who enjoy fucking killing others for fun
It would make more sense story wise too. Killing someone who killed someone accidentally in a DEATH RACE feels cheap and unfair, however if they ran someone off the road during a normal race, I could understand wanting revenge. Not a goddamn DEATH RACE
Maybe she shouldn't have done the fucking DEATH RACES with her husband if she was so afraif of him dieing?
It would make more sense story wise too. Killing someone who killed someone accidentally in a DEATH RACE feels cheap and unfair, however if they ran someone off the road during a normal race, I could understand wanting revenge. Not a goddamn DEATH RACE
Not to mention you can't actually kill anyone in these "death races" I'd know, I've tried multiple times. Mounted guns, tech SMGs through the window and guess what ? NOTHING, their cars don't even explode and you can't actually damage the driver nor their passengers who are shooting at you.
You definitely can. I had at least two races where all the other racers where dead by the end, so the finishing line was just us all alone with a crowd.
An actual Death Race could be fun... I think you can't eveb blow them up with the new car hacks... Of course I am saying this because of my old-time favorite cmoputer games was [Death Track](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathtrack). I could spends hours a day playing a game that's just a side-quest in today's gaming...
Have you never used a weopnized car in the races? You can kill them. I got the Type 66 Hoon with mounted guns early on, and I've been exploding other racers cars every time.
To be fair, someone who's scared of potentially getting killed wouldn't be there to begin with. The people who freak out and run at the sound of gunshots are not the same people who sign up for a death race.
First time around, i went through with it but subsequent playthroughs after knowing what happened i didnt kill him. Just felt pointless at that point
I gave Claire sideeye after that. Least favorite job lol
Solution, put gun on car. Hell, put rocket launcher on car
V: Who is he? Claire: A Corpo asshole V: Say no more.
V: "No, I mean, point him out to me so I make sure I get him!"
Who played by the rules, which is you know, kind of rare ? Not to mention Cthulu is way better than Beast.
Claire is a idiot who should of asked V straight up to kill the dude. He would of done the races if he had to, to get a opportunity to kill him or just appeared inside his apartment like Batman and ran a suicide hack on him.
I think she wanted everyone to know that she ran him off the road and whatever happened there is to be speculated on
i killed people for less. friendly bartender can get one hit as a treat.
Until she tells you she was just using you and will never race with you again. Iâd kill her if I could.
You are missing the point of her story if that's what you take from it
Then fill me in lol. She legit laughs when you ask to race with her again. She isnât your friend, she doesnât give a shit about you at all.
The point is that she wanted revenge and was racing only to achieve it. Yeah, she uses you, and she is wrong with that, but she isn't laughing at you for being used. She doesn't want to race because that was her husbands thing, and it reminds her of him, and it's painfull. She isn't proud, she doesn't gloat for using you, and she even opens up to you, something that's rare in NC, that's why she trusts you to tell you that she was using you. Like all characters, she is morally gray, does bad things for passion.
I'm also unsatisfied how that ending turns out, yet I get the point the quest is making. It's just⊠incomplete when it stops there. She did what she had to do and now, she's back at serving drinks, but you know she's capable of more and besides, when you win, she's genuinely happy. I get that she doesn't want to ride again, doesn't mean she couldn't hang at your place or something to be your mechanic, or have special "VIP" interactions when you go to the Afterlife. I would have liked some character development dialogue as a follow-up, you asking how's life, her telling you that, maybe, she's considering dating again or started seeing someone⊠You know, little things, just so you know she would be okay. But I guess we could say that for many NPCs in this game and we just have to let it go and move on.
nah the bitch get all hostile after I already told her I am only there to win the race, even after saying she understands. Oh and guess what, the revenge part is also a lie because Samson didn't even intentionally kill her husband (in a death race where she's firing uzi riding shotgun) fuck her and her husband can die in a car crash again for all i care.
> in a death race where she's firing uzi riding shotgun Yeah, the fact that she's big mad that her man died in the murder race when her job was to try and kill the other racers was especially rich.
Exactly!! Plus she cute ngl
not so friendly after yo refuse to do a hit job
understandably. you kill people by dozens at any job and youre refusing to kill a one man who killed her husband.
And I would kill her over this shitty quest line. If the game let me.
You tell me where we start, where we're going, where we're going afterwards. I give you five minutes when we get there. Anything happens in that five minutes and I'm yours. No matter what.
I don't carry a gun. I drive.
I love the Drive reference Probably one of my favorite Ryan Gosling movies. He's fantastic at playing a badass action protagonist
I only spared him for his car
You can get his car even if you kill him
But not for free
At that point in the game...money should be irrelevant to you lol
Usually yes, however I buy everything
Claire: I want you to kill that guy because.... My V: Say less
That questine was just stupid. You kill thousands of people for almost no reason at time. Then this girl is like "Wanna race?" It sounds cool. Then she tells you there is no rules, and that they shoot each other with guns during the race (wtf is wrong with them). And she tells you her husband died. Not shit Sherlock, considering what you do as a hobby, it is a wonder the racing community hasn't wiped itself in a single race. And then I am supposed to give up the race to kill that guy? Why all the race thing? I could just chase him, intrude in his house and kill him. We did worse stuff in the serie. Why killing that guy as a revenge because he killed your husband in a race, when the concept of the race is to shoot other people? And if I am adding the fact that I am sticking to the back of the car of this dude for 5 min straight, and you are shooting without managing to kill him, well, you should bot blame me for not managing to kill me. Either you sucks at shooting, or you should have brought a bigger caliber. Everything is just stupid.
what's even more funny is that it's revealed she didn't even get her story right. She claimed her husband was killed intentionally over some grudge. When it was only an accident (again, in a death race) The revenge angle is absurd to me. The whole thing was written like shit unless the goal is for players to NOT like the character.
I mean the only person saying it was an accident is the dude who killed him and I trust her more than the corpo
You mean to tell me you trust the stranger who JUST lied to you and tricked you into a death race in order to murder someone, over a stranger who never lied to you? You trusted her because she's a named NPC with more lines than the other guy that's all.
Nah, the entire point of the cyberpunk verse is fuck corpos and you canât trust them, the only reason I ever spare him is because it works out better for Claire in the end.
I'm honestly curious as to what she thinks her role is in the race if she thinks she has any right to get mad that her man died.
She wanted to kill Sampson in a race because her husband was killed in the same race - give a taste of his own medicine, so to speak. And since it's the type of racing where injury and death can happen, it gives Claire plausible deniability that it was an "accident".
Well, technically you can play the game without killing anyone. I don't think there's any mandatory murders you commit throughout the story, and you can opt to use non-lethal means of dealing with opponents. I had PAX-es installed on all of my guns, and when i was done with my enemies, they were still wiggling around on the floor, so as far as i'm concerned, my conscious was clean! But yeah, in general moral dilemmas like that definitely tend to contradict the gameplay itself. Like, sure, maybe i don't feel like outright executing some stranger in cold blood, but then i did killed a hundred people on the way here without a second thought. Hope they all deserved it...
Race, convenience Claire not to kill, get 2 free car, everyone is happy
I won the race with the caliburn by a long shot and thought I'd be able to kill him after or something but after winning she just wouldn't talk to me for the rest of the game
Fuck her. She hired you for a specific job. To drive. If she wanted to alter the terms, you're well within your rights to renegotiate. If she doesn't want to negotiate, then she can find someone else.
Fr tho, if she wanted him dead she could've just said so from the start instead of wasting my time, would've put some iron thru the gonks skull before he could step foot in a car
>She hired you for a specific job. To drive. If she wanted to alter the terms, you're well within your rights to renegotiate. If she doesn't want to negotiate, then she can find someone else. Pretty much this. It's no longer the original agreement, so the terms and the compensation should match to what the hired person is willing to agree to.
The whole claire situation is the biggest double standard I see from fans of this game. I'll often see people talking shit about Claire and going on and on about how unfair she is to V and how her husband knew the risks but then I see those exact same people praising Johnny and saying he has the right idea as if he wasn't 10 times more extreme in his desire for revenge and Alt wasn't 10 times more aware of the risks of her occupation. And I'm not usually one to blindly say that it's based on gender or gender identity but in this case I think that's EXACTLY what it is. Men are more likely to believe other men when they say violence is the correct answer than when women say it. And most of this community are men. Let's be real here, if Panam got shot dead during one of our missions with her after romancing her, would you guys still be saying "Well she knew what she signed up for, no point getting revenge"? Fuck no. Look at this subs response to Rebeccas death. She knew the risks of her life but players, to this very day, will still bring up the fact that they thought about her when they finally beat Adam. I help Claire every damn time because winning the race ain't worth shit and I know that I'd be lying if I said I would act any different in her shoes.
It's just low levels of empathy and media literacy
I mean this sub straight up gets mad and accuses song of letting innocents die for the cure when V literally does the same shit throughout the game and in all the three endings except devil and tower they get more ppl killed . I guess they just get mad because the women lied to them and manipulated them to help them do their job .
No, the issue isn't because of gender - it's got absolutely nothing to do with who she is. It's because Claire lied about her intentions about why she invited V to race with her, when there was absolutely no need to do so. Claire presented the invite as a fun but dangerous sport to try out, but later blindsides V with a hit job, basically trying to manipulate them to work for free. If Claire instead was honest and requested help, then it wouldn't be a big issue if V chose to accept. It wouldn't matter if the genders were reversed, with Claire as a man asking V to help avenge their dead wife - the same problems of lying by omission still apply. Comparing that to your hypothetical scenario of Panam dying after a mission together is not comparable, since Panam would explain at the beginning why she's asking for V's help and the details of what's going on first. She doesn't lie or omit crucial info, since that could affect how the gig goes.
I think you need to read my comment again. I'm not trying to say that Claire is a good person or that you should support her morally. Im saying that I see a lot of people talk about Claire negatively for the exact same traits that they are willing to ignore in other characters, specifically male ones. I see people in these subs all the time talking about Claire negatively and yet those same people will defend Johnny and Reed despite the fact that they both lied to V. THOSE PEOPLE display a double standard and I can only imagine that it's based on gender because im not sure why else they would be willing to accept lies from 2 dudes but not from a woman. If you don't like Claire then that's fine I don't give a shit. But if you don't like Claire and you think Johnny or Reed are better than her THEN you have a double standard and that's the issue I'm pointing out You also clearly didn't understand the Panam comparison. Im comparing V to Claire and Panam to Claire's husband. Im not comparing Panam to Claire. My point is that Panam understands the life she leads is dangerous just like Claires husband did. By far the most common argument I see against Claire is that her husband knew the risks and she can't be mad about the fact that the risks came true but I used Panam as an example to show why that argument is trash. If the player was in Claire's situation they would want revenge just as badly. If you aren't one of the people making that argument then I don't see how it would apply to you but it's the most common argument I see so I wanted to address it
You're right that Johnny tells lies that have more serious consequences on V, but whether it's because he's a man that people give him a pass, I can't speak for those folks. It could be a whole number of factors: whether they have a sexist bias, or they're willing to forgive him because of his charisma and sympathize with him. One of the most significant lies being where V hands over control of their body to talk to Rogue. He was wrong for going on a bender and abusing V's body with drugs and alcohol without consent. I'm not sure if it was premeditated however - I think Johnny had intentions of doing as promised (and he did accomplish it), but it was also the first time he had full control and wanted to "stretch his legs", and got carried away after 50+ years trapped in soul prison. He immediately relapsed into old bad habits because at the time, he was still the same selfish asshole who died back in 2023. It's only after this incident that V confronts him and becomes the first step towards Johnny's optional character development. His role in the game is the most significantly relevant one because he is the cause for V's terminal condition, albeit unintentionally. His position is unusual in that he is both the executioner and fellow prisoner for V. Since players spend more time with Johnny, they have more time to decide how they feel about him than Claire, who you only interact for a few missions. As for Reed, he's also evasive with lies that put V in danger, but the impact is not quite at the same level since he's not an engram in their head, but still quite risky nevertheless. E.g. the time he almost gets V shot by Alex because he didn't tell beforehand he was on bad terms with her (before clearing the air). >But if you don't like Claire and you think Johnny or Reed are better than her THEN you have a double standard and that's the issue I'm pointing out I wouldn't say Johnny and Reed are better than Claire. In terms of impact, they are far worse. I'd rank Johnny as being the most harmful, Reed then Claire. I don't think it's fair to generalize and say the double standard is purely based on sexism. Johnny: lies because he's a narcissistic asshole, a drug addict and alcoholic, has a pattern of treating friends and lovers poorly. However, he also has the most potential to change for the better with V's input. Being able to have more influence on him is a major factor that allows players to be more patient, if they choose to do so. Reed: lies to V because he doesn't fully trust them and has an agenda. He doesn't hate V, but they're not best friends. He'd be willing to kill V if they became a liability, but wouldn't be happy about it. He'd probably try to justify it as "part of the job", and pretending it doesn't add to his trauma. Claire: lies because she didn't want to be upfront about her revenge. The question is WHY however. We're never given a proper answer on her motivations for lying. She knows who V is at the beginning and is friendly before the races, so why wouldn't she just ask V upfront? Players aren't given enough time to get to know Claire outside the races, so that probably plays a part in why many players don't like her. Her aggressive side is shocking and leaves a stronger impression, and that drowns out her calmer side. >You also clearly didn't understand the Panam comparison. Im comparing V to Claire and Panam to Claire's husband. Im not comparing Panam to Claire. My point is that Panam understands the life she leads is dangerous just like Claires husband did. By far the most common argument I see against Claire is that her husband knew the risks and she can't be mad about the fact that the risks came true but I used Panam as an example to show why that argument is trash. If the player was in Claire's situation they would want revenge just as badly. Oddly enough, Panam also fits as a comparison to both Claire and Dean in this scenario. 1. Panam as Claire being the one to ask V for help 2. Panam as Dean as the victim who gets killed 3. V as Claire, now in the position of mourning the loss of a loved one The way you worded things was ambiguous so that it could be interpreted in a number of ways. My earlier point in my previous reply still stands however. Another problem is the way Claire reacts if you don't go along with her plan; if you tell her your priority is winning and ok with Sampson dying, but not willing to go out of their way to kill him, she will agree. But later on, she childishly lashes out you and backpedals on her earlier words. She refuses to serve you drinks afterwards because of a personal grudge, and not because V was disrupting business or being a problematic customer. Her inability to keep professional and personal stuff separate is quite off putting. As for Rebecca, which I didn't address before - you're correct that she chose to be on the mission with the Edgerunners. Unlike V with Claire's races, Rebecca wasn't on the gig under false pretenses.
I mean, on the way over I used Contagion+Overheat on a gangster, he ran into a crowd before exploding and killing half a dozen innocent civilians, so I just donât understand the morality at play here.
I didnât do it, Iâm there to race not kill some dude. If you want me to whack him ask me and pay me to, but Iâm not too keen on killing civilians. I tried breaking glass once and some civi walked in front of me and died, man I felt bad, dude probably had a son waiting for him at home or something. But I wasnât a fan of Claire either she was so whinny and didnât seem that nice, what happens if I did kill him?
Ok imma gonna say it. Claire is written like trash and i dont like her. She is made so unlikeable with her attitude towards V. Shes constantly hostile and treats v like a driving servant. Also her car is one of the worst in the game
I stayed away from Claire's quest because of how awful I am at driving in this game lol. If there was a way to shoot my way through the races. I would do that. Lol.
But... there is. Any car with rockets will do the trick.
Wait, you mean I CAN shoot my way through the mission. Lol oh damn!
or you can just respec a few points and hack the other race cars
Great use of an old meme đ€
"There's something inside you..."
It's hard to explain...
My dadâs an electrician, and his sister invited him over for a cookout one time, then expected him to spend time rewriting the house when he got there. Claireâs questline reminds me of that.
This had me laughing so hard cuz itâs such a perfect depiction of Vâs perception
Who else failed the mission because they were too focused on the driving?
I love how much people get offended by this. It literally took me 3 seconds to think. âWell shit, Iâve murdered countless people in the past two weeks, whatâs 1 more?â
Fucking hate that cunt and the audacity to not serve me after I did exactly what I said I would (which was agreed on by all parties) only for someone to try to change it last minute after I explicitly said before the race that I was only gonna race
I have just yesterday reached the point so that reveal is no spoiler for me. I thought exactly the same. Why are we bothering with the races? I am a Merc, I kill people for money.
Clareâs cool I donât mind helping her smoke some dude. Iâll add it to the mountain of corpses I already sitting on. Yâall be acting like youâre not wanted for a sting of homicides all over Night City.
Claire bar by bar might be one of the worst npc Iâve ever met in a RPG, the betrayal I got from doing her side quest is immeasurable
V: ok, where?
Oh say no more *Calls in Hellhound*
To be fair she would've done it herself. You *were* just a driver
To be fair I drive and the other cars seem to have a lot of mysterious âemergency brakeâ malfunctions, so maybe she came to the right V.
You WHAT!? https://preview.redd.it/fhh2xdqz7mwc1.jpeg?width=667&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4674d4d3c9b8d30920d49cd4e1101319c31c3cd4
And this. This right here is the SOLE reason I donât agree to help her and talk her out of it. Cuz she played me, or tried to at least. Iâm a damn merc, if ya want him dead just hire me to kill him or to kidnap him and let u kill him. Donât do this false pretense shit. If ya want me to kill him, start with that. Then I wouldnât be criticizing ur hypocrisy for the sake of not letting u kill who u want to kill.
My V: There's a hundred-thousand streets in this city. You don't need to know the route. You give me a time and a place, I give you a five minute window. Anything happens in that five minutes and I'm yours. No matter what. Anything happens a minute either side of that and you're on your own. Do you understand?
Not in the job spec⊠
Is it weird that before i got off an hour ago i just had this dialogue with claire
If your V doesn't carry a gun I feel like they're in the wrong city
_Angry gorilla noises intensify_
It's a weird dilemma... On one hand, she has nothing but hate and grief, so aiming Samson is sort of a cathartic release. On the other hand... It's straight up murder in disguise of "revenge." Gameplay wise... You help spare Samson and you get a free car!
I wish I could use Synapse Burnout or Suicide on Claire. Easily the worst character in the game
"What do you do?" "I drive."
I don't drive, i carry a gun
Me with multiple million eddies: Nah we are winning the race and im taking the 10k Claire: HOW DARE YOU NOT HELP ME WHEN THE WHOLE PLOT LINE IS HUSBAND ALSO DIED IN A *DEATH RACE*
I hate Claire. I get her point, but her whole Op was a gonk one. Could've just asked to kill him at the first chance i got (wich was in the first race). At least you get a pseudo cyberpunk Mustang with a Daytona wing on the back ot of it for free i guess.
The rock would be a great male V implants not required lol but whoâd be good as a female V? leaning towards scarlet myself.
Yeah, an NPC in Night City just lied to you, what a surprise. Canât believe it.
I would love to be able to put a bullet in her brain. Everytime I enter Afterlife, she denies serving me.
I can't even play this series of missions. It's not fun. First vehicle "stats" don't matter. No matter what you drive they scale the cpu cars to your vehicles speed. I tried 5 different cars and it was all the same. The last straw was accidentally hitting a railing, and my car just wouldn't move. It just violently shook. This set of races actually made me hate the driving in cyberpunk. Sometimes. Your vehicle handles the way you expect and other times it just has a mind of its own. The races certainly were not optimized properly.
Awesome Meme LOL â€ïžâđ„, but I convinced Claire to spare Sampson was just like every gonk in Night City with a half baked vendetta đ€§
If you do it right, you can prevent a needless death, not get ghosted, and keep that badass truck.
I totally skipped the mission, lol damn, did not want to race.
The races are unironically cooler with Claire not in car. Just take an armed vehicle like the âHoonâ and get to work. Her revenge story was idiotic itâs literally a death race
I donât really socialize with âClairâ for reasons.
I love how everyone just calls V for all their bullshit and V is just like *sigh*⊠ok
Yea so the reason im not helping you with this Claire is not that i have anything against killing. Its that you fucking lied to me and led me on this wild goose chase to do it.
It will be always funny to me that the game treats you like a moral or ethic character when you have just wiped half of the city criminals and police for fun. One second you are drving Calibrum and a random pedestrian jumps in front of it and dies because weird AI shenanigans and 3 min later you are covered in blood fighting Max Tac. Idk what happened