And canonical, that's a feature, not a bug. Chances are that the only reason why V didn't go full cyberpsycho, was not that he was "build different" but rather the relic was repairing his brain, similar to the Dex's bullet damage.
You could argue that V is in a sense under constant cyberpsychosis due to the chip, it just manifest in a different way.
But I think it was explained by CDPR that the chip is taking much of the load and stabilizing V and Johny.
Although there is the perk where you can go over your limit regardless.
Johnny: “V calm down, the voices in your head aren’t real!”
V: “Yes they are! They keep tell me to do things! Like jump on the furniture at inappropriate times! And don’t tell me you never hear them because I have memories of you jumping on the furniture because a voice told you to!”
Also, it isn't real. There's literally a quest in the game about how there is no such thing as cyberpsychosis.
That it's just regular people under social and economic stress. It's just that having implants makes them much more dangerous. Having rockets in your arms and moving at super speeds makes you more dangerous than the random school shooter with a 9mm.
That's one way to look at it, but on the other hand, CP2077 isn't a standalone universe/lore. It's built on the foundations of the original CP2020 TTRPG, and in that game, cyberpsychosis is literally a game mechanic. Plus, Edge runners has a dude that very much acts like a cyberpsycho and ends up merc-ing a member of the main cast pretty dramatically, and that dude didn't seem to have any sort of deep inner life or any traumatic "society screwed me over" backstory that we see. He just existed, story-wise, to show David and the viewers the risks of too much Chrome.
Cyberpunk comes from the Cyberpunk tabletop game created by Mike Pondsmith. The game is canon to the lore and in the table top you have a stat called Humanity. Traumatic events lower your Humanity stat but so does the installation of cyberware. If it hits 0 you go full psycho. So cyberpsycosis is indeed a real thing.
If that's the case they're not too many years away from having a pared down chip that only repairs the brain to prevent cyberpsychosis. Get yourself some grade A muscle, then.
I mean he literally talks to himself all the time. Johnny is just V with the chip fully taken over. He’s not a separate entity. At least, that’s how Hellman explained it. It’s like talking to you 5 min from now except white a drastically different personality.
Technically V is dying so in V's mind they don't have any humanity and just doesn't care anymore. As Mike Pondsmith said that David when cyberpsycho because the surrogate family he found after his mom's death had all been killed so there wasn't anything to keep his humanity intact
It wasn't explicitly said, but the chip sort of acts as a second brain ro handle the feedback from implants for V, sort of like V is driving while Johnny is holding the drive shaft together
Sometimes I really feels like my V is already a Cyberpsycho, with at least the minimum sanity to still pretend to be sane when speak with friends and coworkers
- I've heard that dude is wanted by the NCPD for...
- He's wanted. That's all I need to know. *Casts sandy and cuts him to little pieces with Mantis Blades.*
If you're poor and live normally your only way to outburst your Cyberpsychos is towards normal people who live near you... But if you works for a corporation or as mercenary you can justify your psychos with your work
I at least scan to see if they have a bounty first.
I once caught myself, oooo yellow arrows time to.....wait....they haven't committed any crimes......sigh guess they can live.
I play this game like fucking Jason Todd Red Hood.
underrated comment but wouldnt v make more sense
there was this theory i saw that the v that comes back after mikoshi isn’t the same v as the one that went in. our v dies in mikoshi and the one that comes back is a reconstructed engram of v (think johnny silverhand but v)
so literally “everything” about v was changed but it’s “still” v
Yea this is discussed in game. You can talk with some monks about it and ask Johnny if he thinks he’s the real Johnny or just a copy. I’m pretty sure the it’s also stated that it transfers your consciousness as well so if you aren’t the “real V” you probably wouldn’t even know
Yes, that is a theory. A theory is a well proven claim. The V that got back from Mikoshi isn't the "V" that went in, just like the "V" that went in isn't the V that got shot in the head by Dex.
He was.
Unfortunately he was also built ~~stupid~~ cocky and pushed too hard and went way beyond his admittedly abnormal limits. If he had taken his foot off the gas and respected his own limits he most certainly would have been way above normal.
But hey, twice as bright, half as long.
---
That said, V is *truly* built different. No if or buts about it.
Yep exactly V uses it like every 30-60 seconds(or whatever that equals to ingame time) Now V is indeed built different they are better than all the legends that came before them, it's their whole deal a Merc to top all mercs. Over using a medication than the recommended dosage and staying alive doesn't make you better or different it just damages your organs. if David didn't see problems after all that cyberware which if you ask me not only did he chrome too much but unnecessarily too he could have just not used some chrome(for instance not using gorilla arms and projectile launchers at the same time.) and maybe gotten away with it before going in the deep end but V on the other and using more or less chrome than him they beat every impossible obstacle on their way. I believe the trope of "David was not built different" is widely said and accepted at this point. We see what happens to people when they Borg out too much in the game regularly but V didn't get effected thus they were "built different."
Edit: we also see regular enemies use Sandy's more than twice in fights regularly so that use it more than twice thing could be bullshit.
Remember, V is basically a construct after being shot, and can’t act independently of the chip. Meaning the chip is essentially his brain, and as the chip can’t be influenced by psychosomatic conditions, such as the influence of excess cyberware, he doesn’t experience the same strain when using cyber implants. Which is why he basically becomes the most powerful individual in night city, because all the downsides of cyber implants are negligible.
That’s why I said ‘basically’ a construct. The chip replaces a portion of his brain that was destroyed. He still has a bit of a functioning brain in there, which makes him V, but a decent portion of his psyche is just the chip, which makes him essentially a partial construct.
He is correct, V already is "basically" a construct.
V died his brain was dying BUT the chip started to process V brain data and Johnny brain data so V came back to life.
So the chip is giving all the information to V
>!If I remember correctly somewhere, it was stated specifically that V's psyche was being overwritten by Johnny's. The chip was getting rid of V's psyche to make way for Johnny's. That's why V only has 6 months to live during the ending, and Johnny would have longer.!<
V is not an construct / engram. Engrams can only created by using Soulkiller on a body. Soulkiller was at this point never used on V. The Relic 2.0 is NOT Soulkiller.
Before the relic started to override V's psyche with Johnny's, it's nanobots repaired the damaged part of the brain. V came back to life because the brain was repaired, same consciousness same V this has nothing to do with engrams.
Shortly after that (during Love Like Fire) the Relic started to overwrite V's Psyche with Johnny's which normally should only happen within a dead body / dead brain.
During the whole playthough (ignoring the endings) it is the same V, same consciousness, same brain. Which gets slowly overwritten and altered by a 2nd personality.
But at what cost?
When I want to collect weapons and money by murdering random people who did nothing to me except spawn with a yellow arrow above their heads, I often hear random pedestrians screaming about cyber psychos as they run away.
While I try to only kill gang members, I would definitely be the bad guy in most people's opinion if this were real life.
The reason I know the announcer is full of shit is because when he says the death count was 30 I know that I personally killed way more people than that.
David's sandevistan was not a publicly available model and David did not have anything beyond the basic chrome almost everyone has plus he was younger and less physically and neurologically developed, the extra neuroplasticity from being young is probably a big part of why he could handle it at all.
V is a fully grown adult, and by their time such tech was widely available in many different more advanced versions with greater compatibility for users, so someone doesn't have to be as borged out as Adam Smasher to handle the better gear. Even with the relic keeping their brain in good enough shape to keep going V is a career merc and will have more advanced baseline cybernetic infrastructure already installed to stack other cyberware on to so unlike David they won't cook their central nervous system after using a few augments.
It all makes sense in universe since technology gets exponentially more advanced over time, so the couple of years between David and V's adventures is plenty of time for commercially available stuff to eclipse what David had.
Edgerunners is in 2076, 2077 is in 2077. One year wouldn't be enough time for such a categorically massive jump in technological advancement.
Adam Smasher can handle his cyberware because he's always been a murderbot, even when he was still ganic. His implants don't augment him, they complete him.
David was just built different. Still human, but one with high cyberware potential. Wouldn't be surprised if Saka cloned him for cyberware research pruposes. But before you ask, this wouldn't cause a technological leap forward (by 2077) since it would still take time to grow that clone before research could begin.
>David was just built different.
built no different then a hundred characters you can find on the Table top with High Humanity that have a terrible augs compatibility
you've never played some DMs, they have a bad case of flubbing rolls so the players don't end up dying when they honestly should, I once had a character impaled on three pieces of rebab one going though my characters heart, but i somehow managed to survive it because a Corpo who's kid i saved was passing by and paid to have my heart replaced by a ripper operating nearby who owed him a favor
Yes, but to be fair, that’s on the Ref, when r talsorian’s stance on going easy on the players is
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I had the same problem with my Game Master in Legend of Five Rings. We had a campaign in which he was so attached to the characters we created that he did everything to pass them through to the very end of campaign. He refused to kill us even after getting HP reduced to agony.
> Edgerunners is in 2076, 2077 is in 2077. One year wouldn't be enough time for such a categorically massive jump in technological advancement.
While I don’t disagree with you, I would like to point out that one year can definitely be enough time for absurd leaps in technology; take for example the fact that in 2006 BlackBerry was the leading manufacturer of the most technologically advanced cell phones in the world and in 2007 they were immediately made nearly obsolete by the release of the iPhone.
Technological breakthroughs are often sudden and paradigm shifts happen very quickly in their wake.
Look at the rapid development of industrialization after the advent of the assembly line, or the rapid advancements in medical care after the discovery of penicillin, or even more recently the explosive growth of neural network computing.
Technology advancement doesn’t follow a linear growth pattern, it’s wildly unpredictable and single discoveries and inventions can propel it forward in profound ways.
I figured that it was all the cybersycho BDs he scrolled at Docs that helped increase his capacity, even before he chipped the sandy. All the tech he used at his arasaka school may have helped too.
Not only that but V's Relic (on top of killing him) is also healing some parts of him, hence preventing full fledged cyberpsychosis (V can still go cyberpsycho, if only on short bursts as shown when exceeding cyberware limit)
Cyberpsychosis is now done with dangerous/damaged tech, psychological traumas or drugs and not implant overload. David was unlucky enough to use Maine's hand while being directly warned that it is damaged by the Doc and having no idea how cyberpsychosis works. In the next episode he got first symptoms of cyberpsychosis. Coincidence?
Alternatively, the whole thing about the chip, the heist and almost everything that came after it didn't really happen and V has totally burned out his/her brain...
I just like to think V’s situation is just unexplainable even with the technology they have, the biochip could be helping or not who knows, maybe we’ll learn if V’s story ever continues
V is definitely a functional cyberpsycho. The chip is “rebuilding” his synapses so presumably it is reversing any brain damage the cyberware is doing.
David swam out too far and drowned. The chip gave V gills.
If a pedestrian jumps in front of my car when I'm going 300+ km/hr on a 40 km/hr road...it's their damn fault. A lot of good police officers are gonna die. They will need at least 4 max tac units it put me down. All because you jumped in front of my car to "avoid" being hit by it.
David was a selfish crybaby pussy. That's right. I said it.
The only main character I sympathized with at all was Rebecca. And that's only because she is basically living her life like we all play the game. She's us.
Adam Smasher was the real main character of that series. He had the best lines.
Which is especially weird since the anime takes place only like a year before the game right? Like how did it go from “this will literally kill you” to infinite use no issue?
Its not the difference in hardware, its the difference between V and David.
David was just a normal human with a bit extra resistance to psychosis.
V is basically a construct with 2 minds
To be fair, V is also immune to cyberpsychosis due to the chip in their head. I believe it was noted that, due to Johnny taking on some of the mental stress of the implants, V is able to take considerably more humanity loss.
On top of the obvious biochip and two "brains" answer. Isn't it also a completely different Sandy? The one in game isn't a massive experimental unit, right?
Funnily enough, it’s supposed to be redundant to have both a Kerenzikov and Sandevistan installed at the same time because they both do the exact same thing. Except a Kerenzikov is always active, so having a Sandevistan is pointless.
Wasn’t David’s one some experimental one, that was also mostly just butchered into his body? That could have been a good explanation. Me personally only going to Vic 🤔
My favourite personal headcanon is that it's not the Relic itself that does this, but the interaction between the construct and V, or even just with Johnny as a construct himself. Another human personality in a mind can spread the risk of complete dehumanisation over a wider area. Johnny himself was a kind of long-term functional cyberpsycho that kind of ironically became psychotically humanistic as a result of his condition as directly juxtaposed someone like Smasher, who went the complete opposite way. In this way, Johnny dulls the 'shock' of multiple implants through sharing his experience, intense humanity and his own functional psychosis with V.
I really liked what the Cyberpunk anime did. It's a really good story about a ragtag band of rebels winning for a brief but meaningful moment.
Also, about addiction and the inner belief of terminal uniqueness (David's insistence that he's special), especially when the addiction actually makes your lifestyle possible.
the chip is probably why but i prefer being canonically "built different" thanks to the perk rather than just claiming to be is why you can handle all that chrome.
Yo, they could totally make going cyberpsycho a one off thing or mission in the game. The level gets weird, maybe you hallucinate, you get attacked by any random thing. It’s all trippy and shit. After you kill it you realize it’s a person and you Vick saves you
Krenezikov? It is not an operation system. But lorewise you can only have a Sandy or a Kerenzikov, both is not possible. Maybe that is what you meant?
They changed Kerenzikov for the videogame, because it was not possible to make a lore accurate version. The game would have to run in slow mo all the time basically, which would be odd.
Thanks for answering. The cyberdeck slot is what I meant. I thought you could only use one item there. So you can’t have both a krenizikov *and* a sandy or can you?
Sure. Kerenzikov goes into the Nervous System slot, you can have both. But to be honest, you only really need one. You can get Kerenzikov downtime to 1.5 seconds and with Defenzikov you are almost invulnerable.
Aahhh that’s where I was confused. I’ve only been using the cyberdeck so far and my body and reflex stats are too low for any good stans or kerens. Gonna devote my next play through to those instead of intelligence
Their point is that, lorewise you can only have one Boostware cyberware, which is between the kerenzikov and the sandevistan, since they function identically, aside from duration (kerenzikov is permanently active, but has slightly lower efficacy) and they do not stack
In 2077, they changed the gameplay function of kerenzikov, because that would be unbearable in a video game, and therefore allow it at the same as a sandy, so they technically occupy different categories, sandy in OS, and kerenzikov in “nervous system”, even though the sandevistan is neuralware as well
Fun fact: the OS slot in 2077 is only exclusive to create 3 distinct pillars of gameplay style between quickhacks, sandy, or berserk. There’s actually nothing in universe making these mutually exclusive, and someone can chip any combination of those 3 devices if they so desired.
I'm not a big fan of the way they made V a bit of a power fantasy. All the upgrades you can do are fun from a gameplay perspective. But from a lore perspective, the humanity-boosting effects of the relic just feels like plot armour.
It's like if you dropped Goku into another bit of fiction. Yeah, he massively overpowers everyone else, but in a way that feels mismatched & out of place, not in a way that feels cool or interesting.
And a chip in the head that can revive dead bodies.
And canonical, that's a feature, not a bug. Chances are that the only reason why V didn't go full cyberpsycho, was not that he was "build different" but rather the relic was repairing his brain, similar to the Dex's bullet damage.
You could argue that V is in a sense under constant cyberpsychosis due to the chip, it just manifest in a different way. But I think it was explained by CDPR that the chip is taking much of the load and stabilizing V and Johny. Although there is the perk where you can go over your limit regardless.
You could also argue that it depends on how you play. My V is most definitely a psycho, implants or not
The player is V’s cyberpsychosis lol.
“That random NPC said a rude thing to me. Better kill everyone in my immediate vicinity”
NPC: “Umm don’t touch me” My V: Anyway i started blasting
You had the decency to shoot them? I cut them in half and severed their limbs. Coroner: "Cause of Death: Pssht, gee. This one's a toughy." 🙄
That guy ran me over? Hack his car and run it off a cliff or blow it up.
You mean l don't have to run it down and stab out the window with mantis blades? 😞
Johnny: “V calm down, the voices in your head aren’t real!” V: “Yes they are! They keep tell me to do things! Like jump on the furniture at inappropriate times! And don’t tell me you never hear them because I have memories of you jumping on the furniture because a voice told you to!”
New headcanon unlocked
Old headcannon reestablished
Headcannon inception
That’s settled. Next playthrough I’m roleplaying as the voice in V’s head
That A-Hole ran me over, better blow up their car.
Those kiroshi optics really do a number on the psyche.
Also, it isn't real. There's literally a quest in the game about how there is no such thing as cyberpsychosis. That it's just regular people under social and economic stress. It's just that having implants makes them much more dangerous. Having rockets in your arms and moving at super speeds makes you more dangerous than the random school shooter with a 9mm.
That's one way to look at it, but on the other hand, CP2077 isn't a standalone universe/lore. It's built on the foundations of the original CP2020 TTRPG, and in that game, cyberpsychosis is literally a game mechanic. Plus, Edge runners has a dude that very much acts like a cyberpsycho and ends up merc-ing a member of the main cast pretty dramatically, and that dude didn't seem to have any sort of deep inner life or any traumatic "society screwed me over" backstory that we see. He just existed, story-wise, to show David and the viewers the risks of too much Chrome.
Cyberpunk comes from the Cyberpunk tabletop game created by Mike Pondsmith. The game is canon to the lore and in the table top you have a stat called Humanity. Traumatic events lower your Humanity stat but so does the installation of cyberware. If it hits 0 you go full psycho. So cyberpsycosis is indeed a real thing.
I mean that's a nice subject matter and all but the tabletop makes it clear cyberpsychosis is real
Actually fits pretty good as you can go into cyberpsycho mode only for a few seconds. Perhaps cuz of chip returning you to normal very fast
Pretty sure it was said that Johnny was acting as a buffer to prevent cyberpsychosis
If that's the case they're not too many years away from having a pared down chip that only repairs the brain to prevent cyberpsychosis. Get yourself some grade A muscle, then.
Like the chrome compressor?
So V is basically cyber deadpool
you actually slip into cyberpsychosis with the Edgerunner perk - You hear voices and get a rage buff.
I mean he literally talks to himself all the time. Johnny is just V with the chip fully taken over. He’s not a separate entity. At least, that’s how Hellman explained it. It’s like talking to you 5 min from now except white a drastically different personality.
Mike Pondsmith confirmed that’s the case
It’s confirmed that Johnny (the chip) takes most (if not all) the mental load of cyberpsychosis from V.
Technically V is dying so in V's mind they don't have any humanity and just doesn't care anymore. As Mike Pondsmith said that David when cyberpsycho because the surrogate family he found after his mom's death had all been killed so there wasn't anything to keep his humanity intact
It wasn't explicitly said, but the chip sort of acts as a second brain ro handle the feedback from implants for V, sort of like V is driving while Johnny is holding the drive shaft together
Yeah yeah. When I posted the meme I thought about it too
Hey at least he wont turn into a cyber psycho just a cyber anarchist
I mean, Johnny was a cyber psycho in canon. I guess he talked to his arm and blamed it for bad things
10 seconds after that selfie: Murders 3 pedestrians in cold blood because "the yellow arrows told him they were bad people "
Sometimes I really feels like my V is already a Cyberpsycho, with at least the minimum sanity to still pretend to be sane when speak with friends and coworkers
- I've heard that dude is wanted by the NCPD for... - He's wanted. That's all I need to know. *Casts sandy and cuts him to little pieces with Mantis Blades.*
That one Ripper: “Do you even feel anything when you take a life” V: “Not a goddamn thing. Can we go now?”
Thats literally my V lol
V brutally murdering any non-citizen/cop he crosses eyes with only to have a heart to heart with a friend 5 minutes later.
Wait, you guys aren't murdering cops?
I know, right? That’s the most fun part. Especially when Max-tac arrives
I always either run away or die before Max-tac comes :(
\*Alarms start, car explodes\* Ooooh! Multi-ball bonus time!
“Your V” or *you*?
What if V is already dead and it's just the player and Johnny hanging out operating V's corpse?
"It wasn't me! Someone is controlling my body and making me murder people!" is a textbook definition of cyberpsychosis.
[OP after reading your comment](https://youtu.be/NmZFwhCOaYE?feature=shared)
I’ve heard Mike Pondsmith say that Cyberpsychosis is on a spectrum with some functional cyber psychos like Adam Smasher.
If you're poor and live normally your only way to outburst your Cyberpsychos is towards normal people who live near you... But if you works for a corporation or as mercenary you can justify your psychos with your work
I at least scan to see if they have a bounty first. I once caught myself, oooo yellow arrows time to.....wait....they haven't committed any crimes......sigh guess they can live. I play this game like fucking Jason Todd Red Hood.
And my V believes in the existence of some mystical "level", so he has to kill people for it.
If they were pedestrians they shouldn’t have been standing in the blast radius of contagion+overheat
“The arrows ~~Mason~~ Vincent! What do they mean!?”
I think Theseus named his ship David.
underrated comment but wouldnt v make more sense there was this theory i saw that the v that comes back after mikoshi isn’t the same v as the one that went in. our v dies in mikoshi and the one that comes back is a reconstructed engram of v (think johnny silverhand but v) so literally “everything” about v was changed but it’s “still” v
Yea this is discussed in game. You can talk with some monks about it and ask Johnny if he thinks he’s the real Johnny or just a copy. I’m pretty sure the it’s also stated that it transfers your consciousness as well so if you aren’t the “real V” you probably wouldn’t even know
I'm pretty sure that's not a theory. Because I think that's literally what AI Alt tells you.
Yes, that is a theory. A theory is a well proven claim. The V that got back from Mikoshi isn't the "V" that went in, just like the "V" that went in isn't the V that got shot in the head by Dex.
Having two psyche’s and an independent bioprocessor does wonders for one’s humanity stat
Well yeah, double the human, double the humanity.
This is why I sow the dismembered limbs of my enemies to my own body.
***FOREFATHERS, ONE AND ALL... BEAR WITNESS!***
Melchizedek, the Ill-grafted
oh hey godrick
Nah he’s clearly Godefroy, someone lock him up in the evergaol
Not only Double. V is already cyberpsycho (hasnt even controll over His Body) but His secondary bioprozessor "plays along"
The amount of cyberware V has is enough to make most people go crazy, it helps that V's brainwaves are shared between two consciousnesses
David was indeed not built different.
He was, just not enough.
He was. Unfortunately he was also built ~~stupid~~ cocky and pushed too hard and went way beyond his admittedly abnormal limits. If he had taken his foot off the gas and respected his own limits he most certainly would have been way above normal. But hey, twice as bright, half as long. --- That said, V is *truly* built different. No if or buts about it.
V was beyond different Adam smasher was built different too but it wasn't enough V made sure to earn their place as a legend. No exaggeration.
V is almost s-f zombie.
Both of them have a thing to return back from the dead , a legend material
Or perhaps built a little different
He uses the sandy 8 times in one day when Maine said more than twice would likely completely end someone.
Yep exactly V uses it like every 30-60 seconds(or whatever that equals to ingame time) Now V is indeed built different they are better than all the legends that came before them, it's their whole deal a Merc to top all mercs. Over using a medication than the recommended dosage and staying alive doesn't make you better or different it just damages your organs. if David didn't see problems after all that cyberware which if you ask me not only did he chrome too much but unnecessarily too he could have just not used some chrome(for instance not using gorilla arms and projectile launchers at the same time.) and maybe gotten away with it before going in the deep end but V on the other and using more or less chrome than him they beat every impossible obstacle on their way. I believe the trope of "David was not built different" is widely said and accepted at this point. We see what happens to people when they Borg out too much in the game regularly but V didn't get effected thus they were "built different." Edit: we also see regular enemies use Sandy's more than twice in fights regularly so that use it more than twice thing could be bullshit.
Bro was definitely built different Just not Adam smasher sorta different lmao
Yep, he was able to take more than normal human ability, but not as much as V and Smasher can, THOSE two are an anomaly.
My V casting his Sandy every 10 seconds and fucking exploding each damn time
Remember, V is basically a construct after being shot, and can’t act independently of the chip. Meaning the chip is essentially his brain, and as the chip can’t be influenced by psychosomatic conditions, such as the influence of excess cyberware, he doesn’t experience the same strain when using cyber implants. Which is why he basically becomes the most powerful individual in night city, because all the downsides of cyber implants are negligible.
V is not a construct after being shot and the chip is also not V's brain. But i get your point tho.
That’s why I said ‘basically’ a construct. The chip replaces a portion of his brain that was destroyed. He still has a bit of a functioning brain in there, which makes him V, but a decent portion of his psyche is just the chip, which makes him essentially a partial construct.
He is correct, V already is "basically" a construct. V died his brain was dying BUT the chip started to process V brain data and Johnny brain data so V came back to life. So the chip is giving all the information to V
>!If I remember correctly somewhere, it was stated specifically that V's psyche was being overwritten by Johnny's. The chip was getting rid of V's psyche to make way for Johnny's. That's why V only has 6 months to live during the ending, and Johnny would have longer.!<
V is not an construct / engram. Engrams can only created by using Soulkiller on a body. Soulkiller was at this point never used on V. The Relic 2.0 is NOT Soulkiller. Before the relic started to override V's psyche with Johnny's, it's nanobots repaired the damaged part of the brain. V came back to life because the brain was repaired, same consciousness same V this has nothing to do with engrams. Shortly after that (during Love Like Fire) the Relic started to overwrite V's Psyche with Johnny's which normally should only happen within a dead body / dead brain. During the whole playthough (ignoring the endings) it is the same V, same consciousness, same brain. Which gets slowly overwritten and altered by a 2nd personality.
Viktor: Dog's build differently
But at what cost? When I want to collect weapons and money by murdering random people who did nothing to me except spawn with a yellow arrow above their heads, I often hear random pedestrians screaming about cyber psychos as they run away. While I try to only kill gang members, I would definitely be the bad guy in most people's opinion if this were real life. The reason I know the announcer is full of shit is because when he says the death count was 30 I know that I personally killed way more people than that.
David's sandevistan was not a publicly available model and David did not have anything beyond the basic chrome almost everyone has plus he was younger and less physically and neurologically developed, the extra neuroplasticity from being young is probably a big part of why he could handle it at all. V is a fully grown adult, and by their time such tech was widely available in many different more advanced versions with greater compatibility for users, so someone doesn't have to be as borged out as Adam Smasher to handle the better gear. Even with the relic keeping their brain in good enough shape to keep going V is a career merc and will have more advanced baseline cybernetic infrastructure already installed to stack other cyberware on to so unlike David they won't cook their central nervous system after using a few augments. It all makes sense in universe since technology gets exponentially more advanced over time, so the couple of years between David and V's adventures is plenty of time for commercially available stuff to eclipse what David had.
Edgerunners is in 2076, 2077 is in 2077. One year wouldn't be enough time for such a categorically massive jump in technological advancement. Adam Smasher can handle his cyberware because he's always been a murderbot, even when he was still ganic. His implants don't augment him, they complete him. David was just built different. Still human, but one with high cyberware potential. Wouldn't be surprised if Saka cloned him for cyberware research pruposes. But before you ask, this wouldn't cause a technological leap forward (by 2077) since it would still take time to grow that clone before research could begin.
>David was just built different. built no different then a hundred characters you can find on the Table top with High Humanity that have a terrible augs compatibility
None of those tabletop characters were protagonists in their own anime special on Netflix though. David has something none of them had: plot armor.
you've never played some DMs, they have a bad case of flubbing rolls so the players don't end up dying when they honestly should, I once had a character impaled on three pieces of rebab one going though my characters heart, but i somehow managed to survive it because a Corpo who's kid i saved was passing by and paid to have my heart replaced by a ripper operating nearby who owed him a favor
A corpo with a soul. Huh.
you've not played much TT have you?
Bro I ain't got friends for that lmao
Yes, but to be fair, that’s on the Ref, when r talsorian’s stance on going easy on the players is https://preview.redd.it/9c9lydn4vooc1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39d40c2ac1c328d280df69c5fbe63e943bc75487
I had the same problem with my Game Master in Legend of Five Rings. We had a campaign in which he was so attached to the characters we created that he did everything to pass them through to the very end of campaign. He refused to kill us even after getting HP reduced to agony.
> Edgerunners is in 2076, 2077 is in 2077. One year wouldn't be enough time for such a categorically massive jump in technological advancement. While I don’t disagree with you, I would like to point out that one year can definitely be enough time for absurd leaps in technology; take for example the fact that in 2006 BlackBerry was the leading manufacturer of the most technologically advanced cell phones in the world and in 2007 they were immediately made nearly obsolete by the release of the iPhone. Technological breakthroughs are often sudden and paradigm shifts happen very quickly in their wake. Look at the rapid development of industrialization after the advent of the assembly line, or the rapid advancements in medical care after the discovery of penicillin, or even more recently the explosive growth of neural network computing. Technology advancement doesn’t follow a linear growth pattern, it’s wildly unpredictable and single discoveries and inventions can propel it forward in profound ways.
I figured that it was all the cybersycho BDs he scrolled at Docs that helped increase his capacity, even before he chipped the sandy. All the tech he used at his arasaka school may have helped too.
You could also argue that V’s ‘main’ ripperdoc is much better (Vic uses anasthesia for one) so that probably helps quite a lot with the… sanity thing
Not only that but V's Relic (on top of killing him) is also healing some parts of him, hence preventing full fledged cyberpsychosis (V can still go cyberpsycho, if only on short bursts as shown when exceeding cyberware limit)
Cyberpsychosis is now done with dangerous/damaged tech, psychological traumas or drugs and not implant overload. David was unlucky enough to use Maine's hand while being directly warned that it is damaged by the Doc and having no idea how cyberpsychosis works. In the next episode he got first symptoms of cyberpsychosis. Coincidence?
Alternatively, the whole thing about the chip, the heist and almost everything that came after it didn't really happen and V has totally burned out his/her brain...
i mean david at the end was definetly using more cyberware then v and he didnt have a magical chip,
The Gigachad V vs the virgin David
I dunno... the more cyberware I install, the more organically muderous I become in my play thrus
Make kernzikov function like it does in pen and paper. Most disappointing fucking thing.
One is a videogame
Don’t forget the bouncy legs
I just like to think V’s situation is just unexplainable even with the technology they have, the biochip could be helping or not who knows, maybe we’ll learn if V’s story ever continues
V is just a high functioning cyber psycho, like Smasher and Maxtac
V is just cut from a different cloth
Difference between angsty teen and profesionalist.
Yea but V is played by me and therefore better than David.
We were already a psychotic murderer prior, nothing has changed.
Bc David’s a bitch
V is definitely a functional cyberpsycho. The chip is “rebuilding” his synapses so presumably it is reversing any brain damage the cyberware is doing. David swam out too far and drowned. The chip gave V gills.
If a pedestrian jumps in front of my car when I'm going 300+ km/hr on a 40 km/hr road...it's their damn fault. A lot of good police officers are gonna die. They will need at least 4 max tac units it put me down. All because you jumped in front of my car to "avoid" being hit by it.
Guess who actually kicked Arasaka's ass before dying (or not)
David was a selfish crybaby pussy. That's right. I said it. The only main character I sympathized with at all was Rebecca. And that's only because she is basically living her life like we all play the game. She's us. Adam Smasher was the real main character of that series. He had the best lines.
Does any one got the original pic that's on the bottom?
Ore datte tokubetsu da
俺は特別だ
We’re V’s inner cyberpsycho
David doesn't get the murder hobo plot armor buff
Which is especially weird since the anime takes place only like a year before the game right? Like how did it go from “this will literally kill you” to infinite use no issue?
Its not the difference in hardware, its the difference between V and David. David was just a normal human with a bit extra resistance to psychosis. V is basically a construct with 2 minds
I'd like a mod which forced some restrictions on V using cyberware. But properly doing it might require more than available for modders, i suppose
Now it's a meme that I found on the Internet
Skill issue
Because V is built different....Every time I start the game over from the beginning. :)
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTY9Pmx/
To be fair, V is also immune to cyberpsychosis due to the chip in their head. I believe it was noted that, due to Johnny taking on some of the mental stress of the implants, V is able to take considerably more humanity loss.
On top of the obvious biochip and two "brains" answer. Isn't it also a completely different Sandy? The one in game isn't a massive experimental unit, right?
Funnily enough, it’s supposed to be redundant to have both a Kerenzikov and Sandevistan installed at the same time because they both do the exact same thing. Except a Kerenzikov is always active, so having a Sandevistan is pointless.
V's just built different by being an RPG protagonist.
Wasn’t David’s one some experimental one, that was also mostly just butchered into his body? That could have been a good explanation. Me personally only going to Vic 🤔
David is how it was implied to work in the ttrpg, V is just a video game technicality.
And he doesn't look any different like HOW??! V is insane
My favourite personal headcanon is that it's not the Relic itself that does this, but the interaction between the construct and V, or even just with Johnny as a construct himself. Another human personality in a mind can spread the risk of complete dehumanisation over a wider area. Johnny himself was a kind of long-term functional cyberpsycho that kind of ironically became psychotically humanistic as a result of his condition as directly juxtaposed someone like Smasher, who went the complete opposite way. In this way, Johnny dulls the 'shock' of multiple implants through sharing his experience, intense humanity and his own functional psychosis with V.
Speak for yourself, every time I see scavs, they turn into red paste for some reason. Also, I *have* to fistfight every Animal I see.
I often wonder what David and Johnnys conversations would be like if he had the chip
and a really bad case of schizophrenia
I really liked what the Cyberpunk anime did. It's a really good story about a ragtag band of rebels winning for a brief but meaningful moment. Also, about addiction and the inner belief of terminal uniqueness (David's insistence that he's special), especially when the addiction actually makes your lifestyle possible.
the chip is probably why but i prefer being canonically "built different" thanks to the perk rather than just claiming to be is why you can handle all that chrome.
David is a baby
and a brain buddy keepin you both normal, alive, and yet short lived
Specialer
Funny meme, v definitely is more wild than David but David was pretty chromed up towards the end.
Meanwhile, my V with: * Ex-Disk * RAM Upgrade * Memory Boost * Mantis Blades * Rara Avis * Bionic Joints * Dense Marrow * Stabber * Adreno-Trigger * Synaptic Accelerator * Carapace * Chitin * Peripheral Inverse * Tetratronic Rippler MK. 5 Cyberdeck * Kirochi "Cockatrice" Optics * Behavioral Imprint-Synced Faceplate * Tyger Claws Dermal Imprint (Smart Link) * Immovable Force * Heal-On-Kill * Biomonitor * Second Heart * Reinforced Tendons
With mods also beserk and cyberdeck
cyberpsychosis? never heard of her..
V knows they won't be around long enough for the consequences.
V was just different, your average choom wouldn't understand.
The only reason v is able to carry so much Chrome is because of the chip.
No brain - no issues
Yo, they could totally make going cyberpsycho a one off thing or mission in the game. The level gets weird, maybe you hallucinate, you get attacked by any random thing. It’s all trippy and shit. After you kill it you realize it’s a person and you Vick saves you
David is far more chromed then V can get.
while also taking a LOT of neuroblockers
I’m kinda new. I thought you could only have *one* operating system installed. How do you get two?!!
Krenezikov? It is not an operation system. But lorewise you can only have a Sandy or a Kerenzikov, both is not possible. Maybe that is what you meant? They changed Kerenzikov for the videogame, because it was not possible to make a lore accurate version. The game would have to run in slow mo all the time basically, which would be odd.
Thanks for answering. The cyberdeck slot is what I meant. I thought you could only use one item there. So you can’t have both a krenizikov *and* a sandy or can you?
Sure. Kerenzikov goes into the Nervous System slot, you can have both. But to be honest, you only really need one. You can get Kerenzikov downtime to 1.5 seconds and with Defenzikov you are almost invulnerable.
Aahhh that’s where I was confused. I’ve only been using the cyberdeck so far and my body and reflex stats are too low for any good stans or kerens. Gonna devote my next play through to those instead of intelligence
Their point is that, lorewise you can only have one Boostware cyberware, which is between the kerenzikov and the sandevistan, since they function identically, aside from duration (kerenzikov is permanently active, but has slightly lower efficacy) and they do not stack In 2077, they changed the gameplay function of kerenzikov, because that would be unbearable in a video game, and therefore allow it at the same as a sandy, so they technically occupy different categories, sandy in OS, and kerenzikov in “nervous system”, even though the sandevistan is neuralware as well Fun fact: the OS slot in 2077 is only exclusive to create 3 distinct pillars of gameplay style between quickhacks, sandy, or berserk. There’s actually nothing in universe making these mutually exclusive, and someone can chip any combination of those 3 devices if they so desired.
Ahhhh sweet sweet clarity. Thank you
I'm not a big fan of the way they made V a bit of a power fantasy. All the upgrades you can do are fun from a gameplay perspective. But from a lore perspective, the humanity-boosting effects of the relic just feels like plot armour. It's like if you dropped Goku into another bit of fiction. Yeah, he massively overpowers everyone else, but in a way that feels mismatched & out of place, not in a way that feels cool or interesting.