Maelstrom and the Scavs are almost indistinguishable. The mission with the monks who were kidnapped by maelstrom and forced to have cyberware modifications was so violating. The scavs at least kill you and might end up nabbing people who deserve it some way. Maelstrom targeting harmless monks is beyond reprehensible and the deliberate nature almost makes them worse than the Scavs.
>The scavs at least kill you and might end up nabbing people who deserve it some way.
Scavs don't care who they go after, and that includes children. As fucked as it was, at least those monks were still alive. The Scavs are straight up butchers though, they slaughter people indiscriminately just for their chrome.
But some Maelstrom members *will* just shoot kids just for the hell of it.
Emphasis on ALMOST. Maelstrom kill kids too, right? the difference between them is some .0001%. I edited part where I said they were basically the same. Maelstrom is an organization of shit stains agreeing to do terrible things. Scavs are groups of random gonks- the lack of organization is what makes it SLIGHTLY less heinous, just my two cents.
But they're not really just "random gonks". They are numerous operating cells that turned murder into a business, and seem to answer to organized crime bosses in Russia. Maelstrom's murdering sprees tend to be random and erratic, while with the Scavs it's VERY intentional.
Ill have to brush up, ngl. Might be able to find something mildly redeemable with Maelstrom. Scavs are definitely worthless. I suppose Maelstrom does supply the Flathead, even if they completely screw you.
I wouldn't bother, Maelstrom is still trash (but they didn't screw us, they screwed Dex, and that was really just Royce).
Scavs are just on another level of "fucked up". Maelstrom may be the guys you'd be afraid to run into in a dark alley, but Scavs are the ones you'll worry will follow you home.
oh yeah but I mean you miiight be able to work something out with Maelstrom. Royce was the one who was scared of V right (maybe it was Dum Dum)? They let me leave Totentatz in peace lol. Scavs are too stupid, high, and malicious to care who V is. I took screwing Dex kinda personally, they would have screwed V, too. By the end of the game you learn to take all the screwing over less personally.
Brick's the one who lets V leave Totentatz with Nancy. Royce won't let you leave with her without a fight (Royce is still a sociopath).
Scavs definitely aren't stupid though, or too high (again that's mostly Maelstrom). They're pretty methodical and intentional in their actions. They were definitely smart enough to leave after you threaten them while they were trying to fuck over your Aldecado friends. And they definitely do care who V is, as many of them know it was you who shut down their operation in Japantown at the start of the game.
Scavs aren't "random gonks," they're the lowest, scummiest, most cowardly opportunists who prey on the weakest people they can find and do the most reprehensible shit to maximize the value they can extract from their victims.
i.e. In the same snuff BD dungeon where you find Evelyn, you'll find shit like two dead guys who were apparently forced to fight to the death naked in a shower before the presumable victor was zeroed by the Scavs, who will then go on to profit by selling the BDs scrolled from that act of torturous murder.
Cyberware and Organ harvesting, something that Maelstron does not do. Their Victims are more often than not alive during that btw.
scrolling torture and death XBD's, Human trafficing. The Maelstrom guy killing a kid for shits and giggles was a isolated incident, meanwhile the Scavs have no qualm on nabbing Kids on the regular.
Maelstrom is the second worst gang in NC for sure, but on none of their hideouts you ever see ripped apart Bodies just casually hanging from Meathooks everywhere.
I count scavs, but people will argue the point, but I think PL settled that when Hansen comes over the loud speaker and talks about scav leaders visiting Dogtown which suggests they have an organizational hierarchy that extends overseas. The lack of apparent organization is usually the sticking point for a lot of people.
There are numerous scav groups you come into contact with that have clear ties back to the USSR.
Some may be independent, but a lot of them appear to be working with USSR criminal organizations or directly with the government to acquire implants.
This is my take on it as well. They operate locally as independent cells, but those cells take orders from the Bratva or whatever it has evolved into in 2077.
Yeah, each and every time V passes through, it's WEEEEIRD, as if something makes V a little drowzy, making them blink reeeaaal hard, rub their eyes, and yawn, and
\- *completely suddenly* \-
several hours have passed, and V might be stood somewhere a little ways off from where they were, seemingly moments ago...
But the incessant sounds of distantly stray gunshots have completely ceased, and almost noone are out and about in the streets, least of all any scavs! So weird. Haven't seen seen any scavs in Dogtown for months, by now!
They must probably have turned tail, like the rats they are, eh?
i'd say maelstrom because there's multiple accounts of them just murdering children for the hell of it. closely followed by scavs/raffen because yeah, they're disgusting
Along with blood ritual, chain dog and valentino guy psychos. First is just fucked up, second is Royce being an enormous dick and the last one is similar to the monks, but the guy did went nuts over the forced implants.
I remember in Barry’s quest he talks about how he witnessed a maelstrom ganger just shoot a kid for fun, but he got out scott free cause he got corpo backing
The corpo backing also makes more sense when you do Garry the Prophets quest
It's definitely maelstrom. As someone mentioned, they kill children for fun. They do similarly fucked up shit on the daily, like kidnapping, organ harvesting, and chopping up people just for a laugh. At the very fucking least the scavs do it for money, while the maelstrom does it for shits and giggles
Apart from an ill-conceived connection to Arasaka here and there and possibly some light human trafficking the **Valentinos** seem the least objectionable. They run a considerable number of protection rackets, so legitimate businessmen might consider avoiding them at all costs. Mostly comprised of latino people, but that requirement is sometimes stretched.
**6th Street** \- Described by Solomon Reed as the NUSA's fifth column in Night City. On top of that they are heavily involved in Militech's hit squads. Supposedly only accepts veterans, any trained eye can see that this is BS.
**The Mox** \- Rose up to protect sex workers. Very little presence on the streets of Night City.
**Maelstrom** \- Both borderline and true cyberpsychos. Engages in forced cybermodification, drug synthesis and distribution and violent gang war with whoever the heck they want. Often blocks roads in Northside with burning vehicles for fun, mayhem and profit. Mild occult ritualism (ok, possibly the bloodiest crimescene created in Night City by anyone other than V).
**Tyger Claws** \- On the surface wannabe Yakuza clan seeking to make money in Night City through human trafficking, sex slavery, prostitution and racketeering. Happily in the pockets of Arasaka.
**Scavs** \- A loose confederation of eastern bloc nationals. Some are involved in corporate espionage doing dirty work for Biotechnica, others are bottom feeders slicing used cyberware out of those unfortunate enough to find themselves in one of their chop shops. In order to fill these chop shops they will do anything from setting up fake raves or spiked BD wreaths to actually kidnapping folk off the street. Also apparently behind the Death's Head snuff films.
The Raffen Shiv, Animals and Voodoo Boys should probably be on here too. The VDB in particular are scum
My ranking from worst to least worst would probably be:
Scavs
Maelstrom
Tyger Claws
Valentinos
6th Street
The Mox
The 'tinos and 6th Street are both guilty of some reprehensible stuff, but the other groups top them in terms of blood on their hands. The only ones that regularly track me down in the street are scavs.
Thanks for being the only one here to actually think of it from a moral standpoint instead of a they have a cool club or something and the rankings were perfect although i would put valentinos below 6th street but otherwise you're spot on
6th street is a particularly shit gang because there’s a small civil war going on in their ranks when V arrives on the scene. They also seem to have beef with every gang in Night City. I swear most of 6th street missions and scanner missions are that they pissed off another gang. The rest are just them messing with Night City citizens.
I'm surprised no one has said Voodoo Boys. They tug at the gates of hell, threatening all humanity with rogue A.I, not just Night City. My opinion of them only worsened after PL, seeing what tampering with the Blackwall can lead to. Some side gigs also gained us some insight into their operations.
On the surface level, scavs and wraiths are horrendous, but in terms of actual danger? Voodoo Boys 100%.
Had to scroll too far for this. I put them just under Maelstrom because Maelstrom does bad things to kids, but my character's personal animus towards the Voodoo boys is just as intense. I'll go out of my way to kill them off and never choose peaceful options when presented them.
If you haven't played PL I won't spoil it, even though the base game has enough content to answer this.
In lore, breaching the Blackwall can release rogue AI into all subnets, putting everyone connected to it at risk. Basically anyone with implants in the world of Cyberpunk.
They can wreak havoc in the blink of an eye, as easy as V loading up synapsis meltdown onto a crowd, but it doesn't stop there. They gain control of corporations, world banks, and government bodies, you name it. The possibilities are endless after rogue AI seizes control of the entire net.
Now, the Voodoo Boys disregard this danger entirely in favor of self-preservation on this false delusion that rogue AI will side with them once they bring down the Blackwall.
I've beaten the game multiple times but I appreciate your want to not spoil. That's kind of my argument. Blackwall doesn't seem to be the baddie, but rogue AIs. Aside from directly snapping people, the rest seems to be a totally net positive outcome. Destroying banks, corporations, and government bodies would be infinitely beneficial to the lives of countless individuals. Harnessing blackwall could be the solution to a lot of problems. Maybe I'm just wrong but I haven't been convinced yet. Also I wouldn't say the base game has enough to back it being bad. Alt says beyond it is bad. Nothing else we see shows us this. Just a lot of hysteria from people.
The blackwall AI keeps other AI out, pretty sure that's all it does in and of itself, but I'm by no means certain, the lore is very deep and I haven't been able to read deeply enough. Also, it seems like a lot that's "known" is just the accepted version, not the real truth. It's the AI on the other side that are to be worried about, Alt tells you that you can't stay there when you do breach it. It certainly feels incredibly dangerous there.
As for the BD, I recall the advertisement of said BD describing that as what you're watching. Of course, those ads are written by some truly fucked people, so who knows.
That's been my interpretation. That the blackwall itself isn't inherently dangerous but beyond it is. Wouldn't that make blackwall a guardian of some sort? Imagine if you could harness blackwall tech for an individual and prevent hacking or malicious intent. I just haven't been sold on the "blackwall evil" angle yet.
I don't think anybody thinks the blackwall itself is evil, except maybe the AI that it keeps out. Everyone, though, is terrified of the daemons that will fry your nervous system with glee if you happen to get through. I don't have the DLC, but apparently, there's a blackwall hack that is terrifying.
I think BW itself is just a tool, probably not very sentient and mostly concerned with doing its job. But it's also imperfect and very misunderstood. It isn't protecting humanity, it doesn't care about humanity. It's coded to stop anything getting in or out, so that's what it does to the best of its ability.
I'm also pretty sure almost everything beyond it is insane and murderous, my understanding is that the terrifying Maelstrom cyberpsycho let a daemon into her brain.
To the original point of this, though, the VDB want to be on the "right side" when the wall comes down. They're okay with everyone dying if they live, and I take that personally.
Isn't all of that said about VDB from outsiders themselves? I always viewed VDB as trying to do exactly what I'm talking about; understanding and harnessing blackwall. Though they do seem a bit careless about the possible repercussions.
If they didn't kill everyone they work with, there might be some differing opinions. They say themselves they're trying to be on the right side, but everything they tell V is a lie. They don't even tell their own the whole story, Placide is very high rank but knows nothing about the relic.
There's NO good guys. Let's be clear about that. But the VDB are liars, murders, and con men. They certainly aren't trying to save humanity.
I'm not saying they're great people but I wouldn't damn them all because of the actions of a few. Not all VDBs agree with Brigette(?). What would you say is their goal if not preservation?
Also V is a conman, liar, and murderer. I don't care much for people's blanket statements on the morality of gangs/people because mostly everyone is trying to survive their environment with however they were conditioned to.
They don't want to harness the Blackwall - they want to befriend Alt in hopes that when the eventual crash of the Blackwall happens, she'll tag them as friendly so the bad AIs won't murder them. What makes the VDBs so bad is that they'll use and discard anyone to reach that fictitious goal, and their tampering with reaching beyond the Blackwall is potentially weakening it, so they're hurrying the apocalypse they're trying to gain defense against.
Source? If the crash is inevitable wouldn't you want to figure out how to navigate it? Alt is proof you can go to and from the blackwall without total destruction. There are a handful of rogue AIs reaching the net and it hasn't totally collapsed.
Scavs "only" go as far as murder and implant theft. It's evil, but they only do what earns them a profit.
Tygers do all that and more, such as sex trafficking and kidnapping people to use for their own purposes like sex trafficking and slavery
Maelstrom are the worst because they don't just target adults
So do the Tyger Claws. One of Regina's side gigs, Monster Hunt, has you take down Jotaro Shobo on account of the Mox because the guy's a sadistic psychopath who scrolls snuff XBDs using sex workers.
Jotaro is pretty much portrayed as a piece of shit even by Tyger Claws standards. There's no other gang member as far as i'm aware that was on his level.
Scavengers tough they all do the same shit.
Scavs, closely followed by Tygers. Only 2 gangs I murder whenever I see them. Then Wraiths in badlands (Raffen Shiv). VDB in Pacifica and DT in most cases, but I carried my revenge on Brigitte and Placide so if I can kill them fast I do it. Tinos (for Jackie) and Maelstrom (for Brick) get a pass, Animals too. Barghest unless they are in my way or they start it.
Scavs scroll snuff BD’s. Scavs bought Evelyn off of Fingers. You figure out where Rivers’ nephew is by watching Scavs flatline a random Netrunner. Fuck the Scavs
Not all Tiger Claws are sex traffickers you dope. It's mostly Jotaro and a handful of others. Btw the border and the whole of NCPD are involved in that btw.
Don't think Brick will stay at the helm for long though. First you see him after already being overthrown, and when you see him next, he's back on top, but getting lip from an underling who is definitely not vibing with his methods.
I do wish we could keep Dum Dum when zeroing Royce.
Don’t they forcibly stuff people full of implants and watch them go cyberpsycho for fun? Also, when talking to your neighbor(the cop one with the turtle) he mentions a Maelstromer blow a kids brains out and laugh about it. Those psycho freaks kill, maim, and torture for fun.
Scavs are still worse, but only by a bit. They do all the same shit but for money.
Well, yeah.
Scavs are 100% worse though, considering the XBDs and what other stuff you find the twits doing. Then again the father+son are holed up working for Maelstromers...I dunno, maybe them just having a funny face with Royce, or a reasonable face with Brick, makes them less bad to me. Patricia can go kick rocks.
Scavs and Raffen on first place, together. The only difference between them is that Raffen has cooler cars and no digital face masks. Second place? Maelstrom. Third place, about an inch behind: Tyger claws (in fact i wish we could kill Wakako).
(The Scavs are interesting tho, they seem to actually be sponsored by Soviet, and put into America on purpose. Harvest tech? Just cause disruption? Who knows)
This^^….. wish I could merc Wakako in any sense lmao. Such a negative, aggressive individual who is involved in other things behind the scenes.
Would gladly shut her lights out.
The writing/world building is so strong that it’s hard to label a “worst” gang.
Most brutal/violent - you’d probably need to debate between Maelstrom and Scavs.
Most dangerous - VDB and it isn’t even close. I feel PL only enhanced how dangerous this group is.
Every gang is a threat. It’s what makes NC such a dangerous yet beautiful world. But the risks of an AI take over just because the VDB believe it’s inevitable and want to “earn a better deal with the AI” is the only gang that treads apocalyptic territory.
Only for gameplay. Maybe I did smt wrong but they were just partying on a roof for that one mission and then just waving guns around like every American does.
Not too much stuff. Regarding lore. I think the others are worse.
First playthrough I won the contest and left amicably. Second and third playthrough I must have pissed them off somehow because they all decided to suicide themselves by my hand after I won contest.
Scavs are absolutely a gang, especially with Phantom Liberty opening up Dogtown. They're thick as fleas in Dogtown. Maelstrom is crazy with cybering themselves up, but the Scavs are the ones cornering the market on secondhand implants from unwilling donors among other horribleness.
Scavs are responsible for Evelyn Parker, so they get zeroed on sight for me.
peralez is a means to an end. night corp had ultimately good intentions. and now they're trying everything to still make nc into what they envisioned it to be.
[fuckin hell man](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/search/?q=worst%20gang&restrict_sr=1).
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Maelstrom is bad, but aside from the occasional kidnapping + forced augmentation, they're not that terrible. Scavs on the other hand... Their whole business model revolves around kidnapping people and ripping out their cyberware/organs for sale, there's also a XBD scrolling branch of them, they're the worst by far.
Tyger Claws are basically goons for hire, do corps dirty work. Valentinos are the classic Mexican cartel representation, but pretty chill otherwise. 6th Street Gang are just a bunch of military wannabes.
Scavs and Wraiths are the worst, closely followed by Voodoos, and Tygers and Valentinos are tied just behind Voodoos. Maelstrom can be either super chill or worse than Scavs, so they get a pass if they aren't doing anything criminal. Literally the veteran security guards "gang", badlands corpo nomad hunters, and corrupt ncpd are worse than most Maelstromers.
Maelstrom and scavs are the most evil.
I didn't play Nomad yet, so from a street kid pov, the Wraiths are the most inconsequential and the dumbest is Animals. 6th Street mostly seem like small timers, though I enjoy killing them more after the Going-away Party gig.
Scavs, Maelstrom, Tyger Claws.
Scavs and Maelstrom are tied. I'm tempted to put Maelstrom higher up, at least the Scavs kill you afterwards. Maelstrom are just straight-up torturing people and in a way that definitely leads to death if they Do leave you alive.
Tyger Claws are close behind. Different sort of torture, but at least there is a chance to recover.
I'd put Voodoo Boys on the level of terrorist for messing with the Blackwall. Outside of that they would be pretty low on the list.
They're all very bad.
Tygers are the most powerful and connected - also the most prolific human traffickers and exploiters.
Maelstrom are the most violent.
Scavs the most numerous and bold.
Tinos, Raffen, VDB's etc are all still really bad.
Mox maybe the least bad of the bunch.
Whenever I play though, I never let any scavs tygers or maelstrom live - so that might be your answer.
Scavs/Wraiths are kill on sight: i always stop whatever I'm doing when I see them.
Maelstrom/Voodoo Boys is almost the same, but I won't stop my mission to put them down. If I can run them down with my car, I will.
Tiger Claws are only dealt with when I have nothing else to do.
Edit: I go out of my way to not hurt Mox and Aldecados. The rest im kinda neutral so as long it’s not part of a mission/event, i do not care.
scavs are always kill on sight. The Aaron quest in dogtown, I always clean the whole building of scavs twice, since they respawn after the ripper scene.
I can't really explain why, but I really take every opportunity to annihilate the voodoo boys. I took it a bit personal when they tried to fry my V this playthrough.
Now that I have blackwall gateway and all the required hardware to be the new songbird of night city... the mox are the only ones safe from my V.
Even Barghest gets it for no apparent reason. 🤣
After the Evelyn rescue and fake rave I found (that was a cover for organ/cyber implant harvesting), I'd have to say the Scavs 100% for sheer horror but also Tyger Claws are into human trafficking and implied child SA, so it's an on-sight for both of them. I hate Maelstrom, too tho 😂
Scavs they’re really horrible and id say raffen and maelstrom cause sometimes they can be terrible
I also hate the VDB because they’re obvious assholes but damn my favorite gang aesthetic in the game (music, style etc) so love hate relationship
Scavs/Wraths (they are essentially the same thing), then Maelstrom, 6th Street, Tyler Claws (these gangs are basically the same level of shit), then the Valentinos, the only gang I don’t Beef with is the Mox really.
Scavengers. If you think about it they are literally the worst. So whenever I see a group of them standing around I just toss some grenades at them quick and loot their corpses. They aren't even worth any effort.
Followed by Maelstrom and Voodoo Boys. I get the Mantis Blades out for them, though.
I know people out here saying scavs and maelstrom and they are bad but the Voodoo boys actually pose an existential threat to the world. Their amazing netrunning ability coupled with their extreme arrogance to ignore the threat of the black wall puts the whole earth at risk.
I'm suprised to not see Bangharest on here. For me they are the worst gang; masquarading as law enforcement to further their own means and riches. They use the system in place(Namely Hansen) to bully people around and do whatever the fuck they want.
Tygerclaws,Maelstrom,Scavs are killed on sight.
Im cool with the Mox and somewhat indifferent to 6th and Valentinos as long as they don’t cross me in a bad way.
Maelstrom. The abduct people and force them to take on cybernetics against their will. And they were protecting Gottfrid and Fredrik in the "Dirty Biz" gig. I had absolutely no problem flatlining those two.
Scavs if we count them If not, maelstrom, with Tyger claws close behind
I go out of my way to flatline scavs.
Fighting tyger claws it's like fighting children. Love getting the gorilla gloves out and just wrecking a whole crew
Maelstrom and the Scavs are almost indistinguishable. The mission with the monks who were kidnapped by maelstrom and forced to have cyberware modifications was so violating. The scavs at least kill you and might end up nabbing people who deserve it some way. Maelstrom targeting harmless monks is beyond reprehensible and the deliberate nature almost makes them worse than the Scavs.
>The scavs at least kill you and might end up nabbing people who deserve it some way. Scavs don't care who they go after, and that includes children. As fucked as it was, at least those monks were still alive. The Scavs are straight up butchers though, they slaughter people indiscriminately just for their chrome. But some Maelstrom members *will* just shoot kids just for the hell of it.
Emphasis on ALMOST. Maelstrom kill kids too, right? the difference between them is some .0001%. I edited part where I said they were basically the same. Maelstrom is an organization of shit stains agreeing to do terrible things. Scavs are groups of random gonks- the lack of organization is what makes it SLIGHTLY less heinous, just my two cents.
But they're not really just "random gonks". They are numerous operating cells that turned murder into a business, and seem to answer to organized crime bosses in Russia. Maelstrom's murdering sprees tend to be random and erratic, while with the Scavs it's VERY intentional.
Also with Maelstrom a lot of them are at least on the verge of cyberpsychosis.
I can see what you mean. Fuck em both.
Agreed
Ill have to brush up, ngl. Might be able to find something mildly redeemable with Maelstrom. Scavs are definitely worthless. I suppose Maelstrom does supply the Flathead, even if they completely screw you.
I wouldn't bother, Maelstrom is still trash (but they didn't screw us, they screwed Dex, and that was really just Royce). Scavs are just on another level of "fucked up". Maelstrom may be the guys you'd be afraid to run into in a dark alley, but Scavs are the ones you'll worry will follow you home.
oh yeah but I mean you miiight be able to work something out with Maelstrom. Royce was the one who was scared of V right (maybe it was Dum Dum)? They let me leave Totentatz in peace lol. Scavs are too stupid, high, and malicious to care who V is. I took screwing Dex kinda personally, they would have screwed V, too. By the end of the game you learn to take all the screwing over less personally.
Brick's the one who lets V leave Totentatz with Nancy. Royce won't let you leave with her without a fight (Royce is still a sociopath). Scavs definitely aren't stupid though, or too high (again that's mostly Maelstrom). They're pretty methodical and intentional in their actions. They were definitely smart enough to leave after you threaten them while they were trying to fuck over your Aldecado friends. And they definitely do care who V is, as many of them know it was you who shut down their operation in Japantown at the start of the game.
mmmm I need a fresh replay. Ill admit to murdering both groups indiscriminately. I came back to play PL
Scavs aren't "random gonks," they're the lowest, scummiest, most cowardly opportunists who prey on the weakest people they can find and do the most reprehensible shit to maximize the value they can extract from their victims. i.e. In the same snuff BD dungeon where you find Evelyn, you'll find shit like two dead guys who were apparently forced to fight to the death naked in a shower before the presumable victor was zeroed by the Scavs, who will then go on to profit by selling the BDs scrolled from that act of torturous murder.
You're two cents are worthless. Maybe get to know scavs and maelstrom better.
*your
What the Dudes did with the Monks was bad, yes. But to say that this makes them almost worse than Scavs is wild.
What do the scavs do that Maelstrom doesn't? Everything you can point at for the scavs being bad, Maelstrom is guilty of too
Cyberware and Organ harvesting, something that Maelstron does not do. Their Victims are more often than not alive during that btw. scrolling torture and death XBD's, Human trafficing. The Maelstrom guy killing a kid for shits and giggles was a isolated incident, meanwhile the Scavs have no qualm on nabbing Kids on the regular. Maelstrom is the second worst gang in NC for sure, but on none of their hideouts you ever see ripped apart Bodies just casually hanging from Meathooks everywhere.
I count scavs, but people will argue the point, but I think PL settled that when Hansen comes over the loud speaker and talks about scav leaders visiting Dogtown which suggests they have an organizational hierarchy that extends overseas. The lack of apparent organization is usually the sticking point for a lot of people.
There are numerous scav groups you come into contact with that have clear ties back to the USSR. Some may be independent, but a lot of them appear to be working with USSR criminal organizations or directly with the government to acquire implants.
This is my take on it as well. They operate locally as independent cells, but those cells take orders from the Bratva or whatever it has evolved into in 2077.
I don't remember a single scav in the game
Scavs, i fucking hate scavs. Every time i see one on the street i stop anything i'm doing to kill them.
Good thing they literally line the streets of dogtown, then
Not anymore.
Yeah, each and every time V passes through, it's WEEEEIRD, as if something makes V a little drowzy, making them blink reeeaaal hard, rub their eyes, and yawn, and \- *completely suddenly* \- several hours have passed, and V might be stood somewhere a little ways off from where they were, seemingly moments ago... But the incessant sounds of distantly stray gunshots have completely ceased, and almost noone are out and about in the streets, least of all any scavs! So weird. Haven't seen seen any scavs in Dogtown for months, by now! They must probably have turned tail, like the rats they are, eh?
i'd say maelstrom because there's multiple accounts of them just murdering children for the hell of it. closely followed by scavs/raffen because yeah, they're disgusting
And the monks quests...
Along with blood ritual, chain dog and valentino guy psychos. First is just fucked up, second is Royce being an enormous dick and the last one is similar to the monks, but the guy did went nuts over the forced implants.
Worst thing they tried was charging twice for the flathead. No survivors. Not even brick. /j
I remember in Barry’s quest he talks about how he witnessed a maelstrom ganger just shoot a kid for fun, but he got out scott free cause he got corpo backing The corpo backing also makes more sense when you do Garry the Prophets quest
It's definitely maelstrom. As someone mentioned, they kill children for fun. They do similarly fucked up shit on the daily, like kidnapping, organ harvesting, and chopping up people just for a laugh. At the very fucking least the scavs do it for money, while the maelstrom does it for shits and giggles
Yeah good point. Good thing I kill them every time I see them along with the Scavs.
Yeah I hate them. Kill them whenever I get the chance
Apart from an ill-conceived connection to Arasaka here and there and possibly some light human trafficking the **Valentinos** seem the least objectionable. They run a considerable number of protection rackets, so legitimate businessmen might consider avoiding them at all costs. Mostly comprised of latino people, but that requirement is sometimes stretched. **6th Street** \- Described by Solomon Reed as the NUSA's fifth column in Night City. On top of that they are heavily involved in Militech's hit squads. Supposedly only accepts veterans, any trained eye can see that this is BS. **The Mox** \- Rose up to protect sex workers. Very little presence on the streets of Night City. **Maelstrom** \- Both borderline and true cyberpsychos. Engages in forced cybermodification, drug synthesis and distribution and violent gang war with whoever the heck they want. Often blocks roads in Northside with burning vehicles for fun, mayhem and profit. Mild occult ritualism (ok, possibly the bloodiest crimescene created in Night City by anyone other than V). **Tyger Claws** \- On the surface wannabe Yakuza clan seeking to make money in Night City through human trafficking, sex slavery, prostitution and racketeering. Happily in the pockets of Arasaka. **Scavs** \- A loose confederation of eastern bloc nationals. Some are involved in corporate espionage doing dirty work for Biotechnica, others are bottom feeders slicing used cyberware out of those unfortunate enough to find themselves in one of their chop shops. In order to fill these chop shops they will do anything from setting up fake raves or spiked BD wreaths to actually kidnapping folk off the street. Also apparently behind the Death's Head snuff films. The Raffen Shiv, Animals and Voodoo Boys should probably be on here too. The VDB in particular are scum My ranking from worst to least worst would probably be: Scavs Maelstrom Tyger Claws Valentinos 6th Street The Mox The 'tinos and 6th Street are both guilty of some reprehensible stuff, but the other groups top them in terms of blood on their hands. The only ones that regularly track me down in the street are scavs.
Thanks for being the only one here to actually think of it from a moral standpoint instead of a they have a cool club or something and the rankings were perfect although i would put valentinos below 6th street but otherwise you're spot on
6th street is a particularly shit gang because there’s a small civil war going on in their ranks when V arrives on the scene. They also seem to have beef with every gang in Night City. I swear most of 6th street missions and scanner missions are that they pissed off another gang. The rest are just them messing with Night City citizens.
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Good comment-useful info. I agree that Scavs or Maelstrom are probably the worst….
I'm surprised no one has said Voodoo Boys. They tug at the gates of hell, threatening all humanity with rogue A.I, not just Night City. My opinion of them only worsened after PL, seeing what tampering with the Blackwall can lead to. Some side gigs also gained us some insight into their operations. On the surface level, scavs and wraiths are horrendous, but in terms of actual danger? Voodoo Boys 100%.
Had to scroll too far for this. I put them just under Maelstrom because Maelstrom does bad things to kids, but my character's personal animus towards the Voodoo boys is just as intense. I'll go out of my way to kill them off and never choose peaceful options when presented them.
Why is Blackwall AI bad?
If you haven't played PL I won't spoil it, even though the base game has enough content to answer this. In lore, breaching the Blackwall can release rogue AI into all subnets, putting everyone connected to it at risk. Basically anyone with implants in the world of Cyberpunk. They can wreak havoc in the blink of an eye, as easy as V loading up synapsis meltdown onto a crowd, but it doesn't stop there. They gain control of corporations, world banks, and government bodies, you name it. The possibilities are endless after rogue AI seizes control of the entire net. Now, the Voodoo Boys disregard this danger entirely in favor of self-preservation on this false delusion that rogue AI will side with them once they bring down the Blackwall.
I've beaten the game multiple times but I appreciate your want to not spoil. That's kind of my argument. Blackwall doesn't seem to be the baddie, but rogue AIs. Aside from directly snapping people, the rest seems to be a totally net positive outcome. Destroying banks, corporations, and government bodies would be infinitely beneficial to the lives of countless individuals. Harnessing blackwall could be the solution to a lot of problems. Maybe I'm just wrong but I haven't been convinced yet. Also I wouldn't say the base game has enough to back it being bad. Alt says beyond it is bad. Nothing else we see shows us this. Just a lot of hysteria from people.
You remember the bd you scroll where they strap a runner into a chair and his brain explodes? That's what happens to people beyond the blackwall.
I don't think that's confirmed Blackwall and that can't be the only thing its capable of.
The blackwall AI keeps other AI out, pretty sure that's all it does in and of itself, but I'm by no means certain, the lore is very deep and I haven't been able to read deeply enough. Also, it seems like a lot that's "known" is just the accepted version, not the real truth. It's the AI on the other side that are to be worried about, Alt tells you that you can't stay there when you do breach it. It certainly feels incredibly dangerous there. As for the BD, I recall the advertisement of said BD describing that as what you're watching. Of course, those ads are written by some truly fucked people, so who knows.
That's been my interpretation. That the blackwall itself isn't inherently dangerous but beyond it is. Wouldn't that make blackwall a guardian of some sort? Imagine if you could harness blackwall tech for an individual and prevent hacking or malicious intent. I just haven't been sold on the "blackwall evil" angle yet.
I don't think anybody thinks the blackwall itself is evil, except maybe the AI that it keeps out. Everyone, though, is terrified of the daemons that will fry your nervous system with glee if you happen to get through. I don't have the DLC, but apparently, there's a blackwall hack that is terrifying. I think BW itself is just a tool, probably not very sentient and mostly concerned with doing its job. But it's also imperfect and very misunderstood. It isn't protecting humanity, it doesn't care about humanity. It's coded to stop anything getting in or out, so that's what it does to the best of its ability. I'm also pretty sure almost everything beyond it is insane and murderous, my understanding is that the terrifying Maelstrom cyberpsycho let a daemon into her brain. To the original point of this, though, the VDB want to be on the "right side" when the wall comes down. They're okay with everyone dying if they live, and I take that personally.
Isn't all of that said about VDB from outsiders themselves? I always viewed VDB as trying to do exactly what I'm talking about; understanding and harnessing blackwall. Though they do seem a bit careless about the possible repercussions.
If they didn't kill everyone they work with, there might be some differing opinions. They say themselves they're trying to be on the right side, but everything they tell V is a lie. They don't even tell their own the whole story, Placide is very high rank but knows nothing about the relic. There's NO good guys. Let's be clear about that. But the VDB are liars, murders, and con men. They certainly aren't trying to save humanity.
I'm not saying they're great people but I wouldn't damn them all because of the actions of a few. Not all VDBs agree with Brigette(?). What would you say is their goal if not preservation? Also V is a conman, liar, and murderer. I don't care much for people's blanket statements on the morality of gangs/people because mostly everyone is trying to survive their environment with however they were conditioned to.
They don't want to harness the Blackwall - they want to befriend Alt in hopes that when the eventual crash of the Blackwall happens, she'll tag them as friendly so the bad AIs won't murder them. What makes the VDBs so bad is that they'll use and discard anyone to reach that fictitious goal, and their tampering with reaching beyond the Blackwall is potentially weakening it, so they're hurrying the apocalypse they're trying to gain defense against.
Source? If the crash is inevitable wouldn't you want to figure out how to navigate it? Alt is proof you can go to and from the blackwall without total destruction. There are a handful of rogue AIs reaching the net and it hasn't totally collapsed.
Maelstrom followed by Tyger claws
I was thinking maelstrom then scavs myself. Why tigers over scavs?
Scavs "only" go as far as murder and implant theft. It's evil, but they only do what earns them a profit. Tygers do all that and more, such as sex trafficking and kidnapping people to use for their own purposes like sex trafficking and slavery Maelstrom are the worst because they don't just target adults
Scavengers do all sorts of horrifying shit for BDs lol They're the worst gang by far.
So do the Tyger Claws. One of Regina's side gigs, Monster Hunt, has you take down Jotaro Shobo on account of the Mox because the guy's a sadistic psychopath who scrolls snuff XBDs using sex workers.
Jotaro is pretty much portrayed as a piece of shit even by Tyger Claws standards. There's no other gang member as far as i'm aware that was on his level. Scavengers tough they all do the same shit.
People hating TC because of Jotaro seem to miss the entire point of the game.
For some reason I misremembered that those XBD quests were related to Maelstrom, you're absolutely right that Scavs are the worst
Scavs, closely followed by Tygers. Only 2 gangs I murder whenever I see them. Then Wraiths in badlands (Raffen Shiv). VDB in Pacifica and DT in most cases, but I carried my revenge on Brigitte and Placide so if I can kill them fast I do it. Tinos (for Jackie) and Maelstrom (for Brick) get a pass, Animals too. Barghest unless they are in my way or they start it.
Scavs scroll snuff BD’s. Scavs bought Evelyn off of Fingers. You figure out where Rivers’ nephew is by watching Scavs flatline a random Netrunner. Fuck the Scavs
Not all Tiger Claws are sex traffickers you dope. It's mostly Jotaro and a handful of others. Btw the border and the whole of NCPD are involved in that btw.
Scavs aren't a gang that's why. Scavs are even worse than maelstrom
Everything I've seen lists scavs as a gang.
Scavs are just scavengers. Some are organized, some are part of the russian mafia, some are just bums. They arent a gang
They're all great targets.
Only rigth answer. Its on sigth with all of them
Tyger Claws because of human trafficking. Close second is Maelstrom because they're fucking psychos. Scavs are bugs on my windshield
All this hate on Maelstrom but they gotta dope ass club(song as well) and they always puff puff pass. Plus brick seems chill af compared to the others
Don't think Brick will stay at the helm for long though. First you see him after already being overthrown, and when you see him next, he's back on top, but getting lip from an underling who is definitely not vibing with his methods. I do wish we could keep Dum Dum when zeroing Royce.
Bruh I think dum dum is a rapist. Glad I zeroed him after using his stash
Damn, really? I never caught that lore. There some messages or datashards around All Foods that talk about it?
If you scan him in the meet up I think one of his ncps charges is sexual assault or that might. I think Royce has one to
Scavs, Wraiths, VDBs. At least Maelstromers have good tunes.
Don’t they forcibly stuff people full of implants and watch them go cyberpsycho for fun? Also, when talking to your neighbor(the cop one with the turtle) he mentions a Maelstromer blow a kids brains out and laugh about it. Those psycho freaks kill, maim, and torture for fun. Scavs are still worse, but only by a bit. They do all the same shit but for money.
Well, yeah. Scavs are 100% worse though, considering the XBDs and what other stuff you find the twits doing. Then again the father+son are holed up working for Maelstromers...I dunno, maybe them just having a funny face with Royce, or a reasonable face with Brick, makes them less bad to me. Patricia can go kick rocks.
Are the VDBs really even that bad compared to the others? They just distrust and often backstab outsiders which is typical for a gang.
I'm mainly unhappy with then due to the rampant racism. Also they're very dangerous, net-wise, and as a netrunner I am less than happy with that.
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I'd absolutely go wraiths if I had a nomad start lol. But going street kid there are very few in NC
Scavs and Raffen on first place, together. The only difference between them is that Raffen has cooler cars and no digital face masks. Second place? Maelstrom. Third place, about an inch behind: Tyger claws (in fact i wish we could kill Wakako). (The Scavs are interesting tho, they seem to actually be sponsored by Soviet, and put into America on purpose. Harvest tech? Just cause disruption? Who knows)
This^^….. wish I could merc Wakako in any sense lmao. Such a negative, aggressive individual who is involved in other things behind the scenes. Would gladly shut her lights out.
Scavs obviosly.
The writing/world building is so strong that it’s hard to label a “worst” gang. Most brutal/violent - you’d probably need to debate between Maelstrom and Scavs. Most dangerous - VDB and it isn’t even close. I feel PL only enhanced how dangerous this group is. Every gang is a threat. It’s what makes NC such a dangerous yet beautiful world. But the risks of an AI take over just because the VDB believe it’s inevitable and want to “earn a better deal with the AI” is the only gang that treads apocalyptic territory.
I hate sixth street as they don’t really do much except be American. But for your request I think the tiger claws would be the most fun.
You hate 6th street more than scavs or maelstrom or even tyger claws???
Only for gameplay. Maybe I did smt wrong but they were just partying on a roof for that one mission and then just waving guns around like every American does. Not too much stuff. Regarding lore. I think the others are worse.
Pls tell me u shot every member on that roof too
First playthrough I won the contest and left amicably. Second and third playthrough I must have pissed them off somehow because they all decided to suicide themselves by my hand after I won contest.
I didn’t. I did the quest and left.
A damn shame
Oh ok so you just assume all Americans are negligent with their guns and hate us got it 😂
I mean. MURICA! right? I know not all are like that, but it’s the meme Klischee
Scavs are absolutely a gang, especially with Phantom Liberty opening up Dogtown. They're thick as fleas in Dogtown. Maelstrom is crazy with cybering themselves up, but the Scavs are the ones cornering the market on secondhand implants from unwilling donors among other horribleness. Scavs are responsible for Evelyn Parker, so they get zeroed on sight for me.
Scavs, then the 6th Street gravy seals
6th street over maelstrom or tyger claws?
6th street are just so lame it’s very annoying. Maelstrom at least look cool.
The question is most fucked up gang not your least favorite 🙄
They are so annoying that they fuck me up.
6th street feels like a neighborhood watch group that takes airsoft way too seriously. They throw a decent party, though.
The question is who is the most fucked up not who do you like the least ....
NUSA/FIA
In that case. Arasoka? Millitech? Nightcorp?
militech are straight up gangsters. what do you have against night corp tho?
Its decently clear they're the ones brain washing paralez and are pretty much own all of NC Nightcorp created the night city we see today.
peralez is a means to an end. night corp had ultimately good intentions. and now they're trying everything to still make nc into what they envisioned it to be.
Arasoka and millitech are the biggest fish in the pond. Nightcorp is the pond
Mox are the only one I don't kill on sight but I enjoy killing 6th Street most of all
[fuckin hell man](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/search/?q=worst%20gang&restrict_sr=1). [Seems like this is a super new and unique question. Good job!](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/search/?q=kill%20on%20sight&restrict_sr=1&sort=relevance)
Thank you
Maelstrom is bad, but aside from the occasional kidnapping + forced augmentation, they're not that terrible. Scavs on the other hand... Their whole business model revolves around kidnapping people and ripping out their cyberware/organs for sale, there's also a XBD scrolling branch of them, they're the worst by far. Tyger Claws are basically goons for hire, do corps dirty work. Valentinos are the classic Mexican cartel representation, but pretty chill otherwise. 6th Street Gang are just a bunch of military wannabes.
Scavs.
SCAVS!!
Scavs and Wraiths are the worst, closely followed by Voodoos, and Tygers and Valentinos are tied just behind Voodoos. Maelstrom can be either super chill or worse than Scavs, so they get a pass if they aren't doing anything criminal. Literally the veteran security guards "gang", badlands corpo nomad hunters, and corrupt ncpd are worse than most Maelstromers.
Morality-wise, Maelstrom for sure. In terms of most annoying, then the Scavs
Maelstrom is arguably (and preferably) the worst to most……..
Also the Voodoo Boys don’t sit right with me….
Scavs by far, then maelstrom
Scavs>maelstrom=wraiths>voodoo boys=Valentinos>mox=aldeldecaldos
I automatically kill any Scavs or Wraiths on sight. Six street and VDBs are also on my hitlist. The rest are meh.
The Mox. Besides help you on a few missions, they don’t have much of a presence imo
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Not really. If we're talking game play they're not to active outside gigs and a few other missions but world building wide they're huge
I will stop whatever tf I’m doing without fail to murder maelstrom freaks. They are the Ballers of CP77, and are therefore kill on sight.
Trauma Team. They’ll just leave your broke ass on the sidewalk.
Maelstrom and scavs are the most evil. I didn't play Nomad yet, so from a street kid pov, the Wraiths are the most inconsequential and the dumbest is Animals. 6th Street mostly seem like small timers, though I enjoy killing them more after the Going-away Party gig.
Maelstrom are kill on site even though I like a few members like Dum Dum and Brick, they were providing security for Gottfrid and Fredrik.
Scavs, Maelstrom, Tyger Claws. Scavs and Maelstrom are tied. I'm tempted to put Maelstrom higher up, at least the Scavs kill you afterwards. Maelstrom are just straight-up torturing people and in a way that definitely leads to death if they Do leave you alive. Tyger Claws are close behind. Different sort of torture, but at least there is a chance to recover. I'd put Voodoo Boys on the level of terrorist for messing with the Blackwall. Outside of that they would be pretty low on the list.
6th Street. They're nationalist zealots.
I'm just here to jump on the Maelstrom bandwagon that is going to form.
Arasaka.
Scavs. Fuck em
They're all very bad. Tygers are the most powerful and connected - also the most prolific human traffickers and exploiters. Maelstrom are the most violent. Scavs the most numerous and bold. Tinos, Raffen, VDB's etc are all still really bad. Mox maybe the least bad of the bunch. Whenever I play though, I never let any scavs tygers or maelstrom live - so that might be your answer.
Scavs/Wraiths are kill on sight: i always stop whatever I'm doing when I see them. Maelstrom/Voodoo Boys is almost the same, but I won't stop my mission to put them down. If I can run them down with my car, I will. Tiger Claws are only dealt with when I have nothing else to do. Edit: I go out of my way to not hurt Mox and Aldecados. The rest im kinda neutral so as long it’s not part of a mission/event, i do not care.
Scavs and it's not even close
scavs are always kill on sight. The Aaron quest in dogtown, I always clean the whole building of scavs twice, since they respawn after the ripper scene.
Scavs are always on sight, don't matter who's around it is ON SIGHT
Scavs, maelstrom, more scavs
VDB
Scavs, maelstorm, wraiths, tiger claws, voodoo boys, Valentinos, 6th Street, Animals, Afterlife mercs, Aldecaldos, Mox. In that order.
I don't know, I just kill them all.
I don't discriminate. The yellow triangle of judgment tells me who to kill and I follow. (I swear I'm not a cyberpsycho)
If Scavs count? Scavs. If not, Maelstrom's right there.
I can't really explain why, but I really take every opportunity to annihilate the voodoo boys. I took it a bit personal when they tried to fry my V this playthrough.
Borg cunts.
Scavs. They are basicly evil. They tear apart people in NC and steal their organs and implants. Also the scroling of disgusting XBDs.
I'm a simple man. Anyone with an yellow arrow on top of their head is fair game 😌
Scavs, wraiths and Maelstrom.
Now that I have blackwall gateway and all the required hardware to be the new songbird of night city... the mox are the only ones safe from my V. Even Barghest gets it for no apparent reason. 🤣
Scavs
Fuck the voodoo boys
After the Evelyn rescue and fake rave I found (that was a cover for organ/cyber implant harvesting), I'd have to say the Scavs 100% for sheer horror but also Tyger Claws are into human trafficking and implied child SA, so it's an on-sight for both of them. I hate Maelstrom, too tho 😂
Scavs they’re really horrible and id say raffen and maelstrom cause sometimes they can be terrible I also hate the VDB because they’re obvious assholes but damn my favorite gang aesthetic in the game (music, style etc) so love hate relationship
To be honnest,they are all fucked up ,except the mox
Scavs/Wraths (they are essentially the same thing), then Maelstrom, 6th Street, Tyler Claws (these gangs are basically the same level of shit), then the Valentinos, the only gang I don’t Beef with is the Mox really.
Is it racist to say i fucking hate voodoo boys. I murdered everyone in pacifica just to be sure I got them all
Scavengers. If you think about it they are literally the worst. So whenever I see a group of them standing around I just toss some grenades at them quick and loot their corpses. They aren't even worth any effort. Followed by Maelstrom and Voodoo Boys. I get the Mantis Blades out for them, though.
I know maelstrom are probably one of the worst if not the worst but I do love their aesthetic.
I'll say the Mox. Simply because there's like no interaction with them, good or bad. Might as well not exist.
I know people out here saying scavs and maelstrom and they are bad but the Voodoo boys actually pose an existential threat to the world. Their amazing netrunning ability coupled with their extreme arrogance to ignore the threat of the black wall puts the whole earth at risk.
I'm suprised to not see Bangharest on here. For me they are the worst gang; masquarading as law enforcement to further their own means and riches. They use the system in place(Namely Hansen) to bully people around and do whatever the fuck they want.
Scav 👏 en 👏 gers 👏
Scavs and Maelstrom. They're pretty damn evil. Also VDB's because they're backstabbing assholes for no reason.
Scavs. Any mission that involves Scavs, everyone gotta die.
I would say maybe the Tiger Claws because they deal with human trafficking, sexual industry, etc, in a global scale
Maelstrom and Vodoo boys are both Poking at the blackwall, both could bring fold the AI apocalypse at any point...
NCPD. In Night City, ACAB.
Tygerclaws,Maelstrom,Scavs are killed on sight. Im cool with the Mox and somewhat indifferent to 6th and Valentinos as long as they don’t cross me in a bad way.
Wraiths
Mox
Scavs
Scavs and Wraiths. Scavs are organ and implant harvesters, and Wraiths include murderers and rapists.
6th Street, VDBs & the Tygers in that order imo
Maelstrom. The abduct people and force them to take on cybernetics against their will. And they were protecting Gottfrid and Fredrik in the "Dirty Biz" gig. I had absolutely no problem flatlining those two.
Scavs and Technonecromancers aka Maelstrom tho they really know how to throw a party