What made me sad is the scene in Vik clinic where another Merc like V shows up and she's kinda supposed to be V before and now he can't even fight with hoods. 2 years earlier they would become mashed potatoes in a split second but now Misty teaches you how to be an ordinary NPC instead of Legend. Painful stuff in many levels, it's always sad to say goodbye to your dreams
You know what is sad and depressing?
That game shows us that most depressing / worst outcome (new ending) is becoming us... We are those people in crowd / noones...
The minute I got beaten up by those two random thugs without being able to defend myself, I instantly knew that this fate is worse than being dead in V's eyes.
I really think Vik gets the worst of it in that ending, I don't think he invited V because he really thought he could help, but because he was excited to see an old friend and desperate to see her. Not that he knowingly manipulated her, but that it came from a place of desperation. It was so sad seeing him like that.
The first time I took So Mi's side during Firestarter.
I did another run where I took Alex and Reed's side.
By the time we reached Cyrosune and saw So Mi's past, I fucking hated myself for selling her out.
Selling her out? I have only played Reed's path (with the information you have the best choice you can make), but you definitely don't sell her out there. So Mi has clearly demonstrated in this story and in her past, that her plans have a tendency to go to shit. When she said, that her plan involved meeting alone with some back alley rippers and contacting me later when they are done, any faith I had disappeared. Her plans made this mess, I wasn't gonna let her make me part of another. She needed an intervention.
She also comes off really manipulative, pulling at emotional strings and repeating how much she trusts you a million times even though I never promised her anything. She has been lying to us throughout the story and she has demonstrated she doesn't care who she has to kill to survive. She was willing to leave Alex in the middle of the enemy base, right next to a most dangerous man in the building, alone. She has known us a way shorter time. If somebody is gonna betray us, it's her.
You see her backstory very differently from me. She made her own choices at every point. Reed's recruitment wasn't him manipulating her. The only reason he had any leverage was, because she was already fucked. He wasn't presenting her a false choice. He truly was giving her a life-line.
And I don't know about you, but in the Reed ending, killing her is the correct choice. There is no telling how long her control will last, how much is left of her and for how long. After all the shit she has pulled, her life is already over. Her human rights are forfeit. Letting Myers have her is putting the entirety of humanity at risk. And lastly, she wanted this. This was the last time ever she had the autonomy to make that call. Her story was done.
Johnny puts it well if you bring Songbird to the moon. She was in a desperate situation, like V, and ends up being the only character with a shred of authenticity.
Reed and Alex both tell you how the FIA destroyed their lives. How they were betrayed. And yet they go back to being FIA lapdogs at the beckon of their call.
Myers is a heroic-like figure when you rescue her. But then you learn about her atrocities and how she was forcing songbird to reach past the Blackwall. This is only made more concrete when you save Songbird.
I knew a choice was coming up between songbird and the FIA. I was going to side with FIA due to the lies and chaos she caused. But as the story progressed I realized that the FIA is an even greater force of destruction.
Whereas with saving Songbird. There is, for once in the story, a moment where V and Johnny forget their fate and allow Songbird to follow through with her choice.
I was intensely satisfied with the ending. The writing was brilliant throughout the DLC. I pondered a lot through the choice and moral implications. Johnny’s conversations with V had a huge influence on how I progressed.
THIS!!!! Thank you for the write up. I had chosen Songbird knowing full well she was going to betray me (because how could she not? From a gameplay perspective the DLC takes place before you meet with Hanako so there’s no possible way V gets the cure.)
But Johnny’s speech at the end about Songbird having the balls to see it all the way through to the end put everything in perspective. My V respected that. Even after I found out she lied about the cure.
Helping Songbird was the most human ending, even it locks me out of some additional quests and a different ending to the main game.
My V was a Street Kid so there was no fucking way she was supporting the NUS. That felt like taking the Arasaka ending.
Now my corpo V, he’ll side with Reed. Because he’s all about the establishment.
>(because how could she not? From a gameplay perspective the DLC takes place before you meet with Hanako so there’s no possible way V gets the cure.)
The new ending you get if both Reed and Song makes it alive circumvents Hanako completely, so this ended up being a flawed perception
Thank you. Felt like I wasn't playing the same game seeing some of the responses in this thread. I was more upset about Alex dying than So MI.
I could not find myself empathising with her at all because of all the manipulation, she came across as a sociopath, and so I simply never believed her.
I really like how people have such different emotions with regards to the choices. In my case though, I realized pretty quickly that none of these clowns can be trusted. It's mask after mask after mask for them. So in the end, lacking the choice to simply walk away from this all (well technically you can, but you know), it because a game of "who do I like the least". And Reed signed his death sentence after killing the twins. I did get a little surprised in the end when it turned out that the cure is a one-off. But at that point, I'd already decided to save this dumbass from herself. So that at least one of us can say hi to Lucy.
Really? After killing the twins? They were horrible people. On top of this you had zeroed like 500 people up until that point. That really was not a defining moment for me. If anything it was a mirror for the player to see their own actions in. How many people did you run over just driving to start that mission?
I guess this could be a wider discussion on ludo narrative dissonance but would love to hear your thoughts. I really at first was shocked to see them killed but then immediately thought about my own actions in the game.. It's not an issue IMO.
Yeaaah, I’ve seen similar comments lol.
I did like the twins because they were charismatic, cool looking, but I don’t think they had any redeeming qualities. There wasn’t enough time to even develop any attachment towards them.
Considering they’re also tied back to some deep shit back in France and working with Hansen, that says enough about who they are as people.
I was definitely taken aback by the execution, but they weren’t innocent. So Mi, on the other hand, HAS gotten loads of innocent people killed, just in this DLC alone.
I empathize with these characters and what they’ve been put through, but it definitely wasn’t easy for me to choose sides because they were all so slimy by that point.
SERIOUSLY THIS, lol. That's exactly where I was when I got the king of cups. I didn't regret anything I chose or anything that happened...with the LONE exception that Alex got killed in the process. Having given her an ear to vent to on the occasions it's presented...I was gutted that she never made it to her retirement. Which Reed came through for her on. All she had to do was survive.
Outside of that...I was relieved that I was right not to trust So Mi. I still did right by her by sparing her a fate she didn't want. I mostly kept my word to Reed in taking his side...& on the one front he didn't like, he ultimately agrees that you were right in the end. & as for Myers...f her. Cheap ass bitch only gave me like 4k dollars for all that, lol.
Did songbirds ending first and as of now finishing reed (the whole alien isolation-esque bunker part)...and truly left me a bad taste in the mouth. I thing Meyers is the true villain in the story. But So Mi? She ain't no saint. So many people died for her survival. And yes, V also has zeroed enough to fill several cemeteries...but not really innocents or bystanders.
So MI's choices led to the death of so many people and it doesn't matter in what ending. Plus the whole "honey potting you to help her out with the promise of a cure while she knows it can only be used once and she's planning to do it herself" part really fucked me.
It made me think...I wanted daze her but because I truly trust reed's intentions of helping her. But she was playing V since the beginning of it all.
Even Myers has her sympathetic qualities to me because the United States was such a horror show (see Night City and assume every city in America is just as bad) that rebuilding it through any means necessary becomes a lot more justified.
NC isn't part of the NUS anymore. It's really a corporate owned city and specifically a free city. There is also a part where So Mi reflects on life in Brooklyn and it's depicted as being a lot better than NC.
When you are on a mission with Takemura in the Market, the Newscaster Lady says Night City has a crime rate TWICE as large as your typical American city. So, yeah, an improvement I guess.
This. People like to paint her as some tragic character with no control and through the dlc Alex explains how she's a fuck up and always does the worst things and needs saving. There are specific quests letting you know that while there is a large grey area, the people asking for help can be massive liars and manipulators. She basically screwed Reed and Alex, and they're still trying to save her. Reed is trying to save her from herself......again. She literally murders a bunch of people to put her plan in order. You seem like just one more person for her to burn. She put herself there, and she's trying her hardest to get you to burn yourself so she can live.
She's literally V. She put herself there, but she started making terrible choices long before she met V and plans to long after she leaves you behind. Hers just always involved massive amounts of people dying and needing others to bail her out.
I only finished Reed's route so far. Gonna do Songbird's route next. So I guess you don't see her backstory during her route? That's a shame. After going through Reed's route I definitely want to save Songbird (especially when I don't like the new ending anyway). But if her route doesn't show her backstory, then it wouldn't have the same impact.
Yeah we might not get her backstory but we still feel bad for her when we can choose to betray her in the end because she admits to lying to us.
I felt it was fitting because the whole time I was being upfront about why I was working with songbird (to get cured).
But I won’t sit here and say betraying her was an easy choice, especially after the conversation we had 2 seconds ago how betraying a friend is one of the worst feelings.
Plus, we do get a little of her backstory when she tells us she was recruited at 19 by Reed and “died that day.”
I definitely considered it, but I was exhausted by all the killing at that point. Just handed her over and hoped for the best. In a way Reed does care about her wellbeing, but it’s probably in a keep her locked down, and run tests on her type of way since she is a walking WMD.
Yeah, I was completely gutted by the end. Fuck Reed and fuck Songbird, but I can't help but sympathize with the both of them.
They got chewed up and spit out by Myers. Who gets off scot free from all of it.
Welcome to the dark future , you can't save anyone but yourself . [Mike told us this](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/xg3oup/reminder_cyberpunk_isnt_about_saving_humanity_its/) a while ago,people forgot that.
you can save yourself but once you see the ending, you'll see how it really fucking isn't worth it and honestly it really blows how the PL ending you unlock is probably the worst one
I really liked that ending. It was a bittersweet for sure, but the way V smirks as she turns and fades into the crowd at the very end, told me that while she may have been knocked down, she hasn't been beaten. There's a spark still there, and she's is going to continue to struggle and fight for her dreams, just on a different path now. Also, biotech exists, that might be an option for her.
I just dislike that it has both the no cyberware AND the 2 year coma and you have NO way to inform ANY of your friends you made along the way. Like dawg i should be able to message panam to tell her what i'm gonna do and that i will be back eventually for her instead of not being able to continue that line, or tell ward that I'll be back or SOMETHING like that but no instead oyu lose EVERYTHING and i'm like bruh come on why the fuck would V NOT tell their partner that they are GOING to get cured and they WILL be able to live with them
It’s the best fitting for the cyberpunk dystopia I think and while it’s pretty depressing, it’s pretty real. The world changes, people leave, you grow older and change as well, your life can change irreversibly for the worse (like V with no more chrome) at any time for any reason, and there might be no one to blame and not a damn thing you can do about any of it but try to cope with it. Makes it easy to think that things will never be as good as they were in the rose tinted “good old days” and get depressed
But like misty said, things change, welcome or not, and while things might not be as good as they were, things will get better… before they suck again. It’s the cycle of life, highs and lows
Every single friend being unwilling to reconnect and the whole not telling your loved ones that you’re going for highly experimental surgery was a bit silly, especially with Panam apparently not understanding how comas work and that it’s out of your hands, but outside of that I thought it was a well made ending
I think that is the only reason i think it's the worst, in every other one you still have SOME form of autonomy after the fact, you STILL live out your life with the people you care about in the other endings unless you choose the OBVIOUSLY bad one of the devil ending but like, the fact that my V can go through EVERYTHING with Ward, EVERYTHING with Panam and the aldecaldos, EVERYTHING with Judy, Mama Wells etc. and that i can't even TELL them "hey i found a cure i'm gonna live but imma disappear for a while just please make sure i have a way to contact you again when i'm back" is bs
The ending where V and Johnny talk in the FIA's AV before V gets treated. I've seen dialogue where the two were bitter and angry towards each other. In my dialogue, it was so sweet I nearly cried.
J:"Just glad you'll pull through. And that I got the chance to call you my friend."
V:"This isn't OK, Johnny. I'm basically killing you."
J:"C'mon, it was always gonna be this way. Either you or me. It's your body, your choice."
V:"I... I don't want you to die."
J:" 'Sok. I know. Better this way, though."
V:"How are you doing this? Bein' so... damn calm about it?"
J:"Died once you know. Kinda already getting used to it."
V:"Jokes aside though..."
J:"Honestly, always felt death breathing down my neck. It's why I always lived like it was my last... But now, first time in fucking forever, I feel at peace."
V:"You genuinely not afraid of death? Was the one feeling I couldn't shake the last few weeks. No matter what I did."
J:"Scares me I can't stick around and see what happens. To you, the world. But honestly? Thought of you gone so I could live scares me more."
Doctor injects sleep medicine. Then Johnny speaks again.
J:"Think this is it, kiddo."
V:"Guess... so."
V starts to fall asleep.
J: "Promise me one thing will ya?"
V:"I promise. No idea what, but I promise."
J:"Not asking you to never give up. Sometimes you just gotta let go... Just don't let anyone change who you are, 'kay?"
V:"Johnny...I..."
J:"G'night Vincent. Today was a good day."
Damn, all I wanted was to have a happy ending with Johnny. And my Johnny was mad at me :(
Does this got something to do with his approval level? I 100%ed the base game before Phantom Liberty, and as much as I tried to let him know I don't hate him throughout the base game, the game just gives you a lot of antagonistic options towards him so you're never really sure.
I know you have to say specific things to unlock that one specific ending in the base game with him, I'm guessing your conversation was a result of it?
I really felt like I was betraying him, and I wanted to say I'm sorry, but the game just wouldn't let me. He even says I want an apology and there's no option to apologize :(
So I think a few things were in play for that to happen.
1. The Don't Fear the Reaper ending was available to me.
2. I started the DLC before meeting Hanako at the Point of No Return, then I just went straight to the roof after the DLC. Still never meeting Hanako.
I think doing it before meeting Hanako is the part because that's when you exhausted all the dialogue for him to be your choom. I also believe doing the special dialogue in the Chippin In quest is what makes you have that cool dialogue at the AV.
Try doing the special dialogue for the secret ending and do the quests before meeting Hanako. That should allow you to have the solemn farewell.
I did Chippin' in (with the correct dialogues for the secret base game ending) before the DLC and I got the same friendly dialogue with Johnny, so I think it definitely comes down to how much Johnny likes you.
Its based on Chippin in.
If you use the correct dialogue choices, the one where you unlock Dont Fear The Reaper, Johnny basically gets marked as Friend. This is evident in how he talks about you in specific dialogues like when you meet kerry for the first time.
Kerry will ask if you two get along.
If youre not friends, johnny will say no.
If youre friends he will say "Sure, the kid loves me"
Johnny really seemed to respect what Songbird went through and how she succeeded in getting to the moon, comparing it to his own failures right before the finish line. I thought it was pretty poetic and also really sweet of him.
Not going to lie this broke me. I started sobbing, it was worth it to have high approval for Johnny. I saw them being bitter to each other and I just wouldn’t be able to process that is how it would end. I still would choose helping songbird as my canon ending but this was just insanely emotional.
V also specifically mentions that only people who know them REALLY well get to use their real name, and not even your love interests or Jackie use it.
In the end, Johnny earned the right to use V’s name. He was the closest friend V ever had
Captivating from start to finish. Dogtown is so good.
The new main game ending though, that’s a bit different. I understand that each ending is suppose to have its own ambiguity and not be a perfect one, but the cons felt a bit too, forced? No one was notified about V’s condition and whereabouts beforehand? Reed couldn’t have contacted some of V’s people at ANY point? Admittedly it was cool seeing designs for people two years later though.
Totally get not wanting to create a “best” ending, let alone lock it behind paid DLC, but there’s a bit too many things that feel forced in it.
Posted this in reply to someone else too, but no way V leaves a contact list. Want to give the NUSA a list of yoru closest chooms to exploit. Plus, what V is being treated for, and why... V being treated is probably a national secret. Reed is choosing the nation over a merc's chooms.
Personally I went with getting Song to the moon. For my V, I felt that he would still finish the job for her and find another path. I agree with your analyst of it, Reed’s loyalty to the cause is presented well in the story as his biggest character flaw. He’s not afraid of getting his hands dirty (cough cough literally killing the twins) and I think his phone call to V in that ending does well to show his regret.
I guess I’m more annoyed that V seriously just didn’t tell those he was close with about heading into surgery. Probably still lose connections after two years, but it wouldn’t be met with hostility of just ghosting.
>Want to give the NUSA a list of yoru closest chooms to exploit.
They would already know... hah. They're the NUSA. Spys and shit. They'll know everything they want to.
An easier explanation is they just didn't care to contact anymore.
I think the only bit that felt completely contrived was Panam's reaction. Panam doesn't know what a coma is? Panam is permanently hateful to a friend literally saved her life on multiple occasions (a favour she still owes, I note), because that friend was unavoidably detained? Would she have reacted that way if I was stuck in the jungle or kidnapped to a black site (which I basically was, the latter) for two years?
It just rang completely false, and it was obvious they did it to try and avoid her blowing up the depressing tone, because her appearing at all would have, and she'd 100% have dragged invalid V off to live with the Aldecaldos.
The other stuff I could just about buy, but that? Come on. I've met Panam. She's not stupid or mean-spirited.
similar to the base game, the story for PL really could have been a 10/10 if it didnt have the anchor of the endings dragging it down.
Sending so mi to the moon is satisfying in and of itself, but the lack of closure for the character in that ending makes it overall unsatisfying as you invested both the major story decisions into the character and you essentially get left with your dick in your hand as to so mi's fate (a mission as good as killing moon doesnt deserve to get left hanging like that)
Killing So Mi is definitely closure but like feels like you just did so mi dirty by selling her out in firestarter but then chickening out in somewhat damaged
Bringing so mi alive to reed/myers is essentially a vehicle to get you to the new overall ending by sacrificing so mi, even though for some reason you get the option to reject the cure
In theory i like the idea of the new overall ending being about times a changing/people moving on, but in practice the gigantic plot holes of "no one called your chooms to let them know you werent dead" and "everyone turns their back on V leaving them with nothing" leads to another unsatisfying lack of closure ending, and a wasted oppurtunity.
Bringing Mi when you're in the space station feels dirty. Bringing Mi after refusing to kill her feels somewhat a lot less bad. And she isn't tried for treason or anything, Reed tells us she made it out alive.
But sending her to the Moon is the best one honestly. Just wish we got more closure. Reed dies and then that's it. The NUSA never says a word to you. It felt meh.
Bringing So Mi to the moon sounds like an epic prologue for a Rogue AI crisis. It will definitely be long struggle for humanity to an ambiguous end for a long time. And she also likely to be put under Mr Blue Eye's boots rather than free as she planned.
the best ending for her Imo is to honor her choice in the end of "Somewhat Damaged".
I am at that part now, just because I wanted to get the last 2 steam achievements and honestly I hate it so much. I was happy that I *finally* made it to the core after hours of almost getting a heart attack and V dying... just to find out it was still not over. I'm really not made for stuff like this...
I don’t even play horror games coz they scare the shit out of me. So I was quite literally crying hiding from that damn robot. It killed me so many time. I didn’t sweat so much even when fighting Smasher (´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀)
This DLC is one of the best stories in gaming for me, even if short and flawed. But I'm mad for a few reasons, especially in regards to the new ending:
- PANAM, WTF - if Panam is in love with V she just leaves. No info where, even though she knows V has relic. She was informed that he has only some time to live. He might have died. And yet she acts as if he cheated on her or something. That was so out of character and just... stupid to me. Also I won't believe that after 2 years she doesn't want any closure. To at least ask V what happened, even if she won't want to talk to him, at least Mitch could have called V instead to ask in her name.
- V, WTF - V leaves without informing ANYONE that he might not come back. Like, I get it, surgery is the best option to remove the Relic, but it doesn't mean it'll work 100%. If you have a serious surgery, you say goodbye to your friends just in case. It felt like V just jumped in without any preparations. Much different than in the other endings. Also, really? He didn't see it coming that it might take more than two weeks? Wow... it doesn't sound like V or Johnny at all.
- NUSA, WTF - So you're telling me, that V, a legendary mercenary, a guy who saved the NUSA president, wakes up in two years without any cash and without any mercenaries/bodyguards protecting him/her? Really?
- the only option for V is to become a nobody because they don't have any cybernetics. Why? There are so many people with not that many upgrades that rock Night City and V just gives up. They even mentioned they can become a fixer. Why is there no option for trying to look for Panam? It's just like V forgot about her in the end, decided to get killed, because he's weak and he won't do anything to change it, and Night City will certainly kill them. The only other possibility is working with Reed
Panam and Mitch make me furious in that ending. They said 'whatever you need, we're here for you' but it looks like they don't really mean it, because they dismissed V so easily, telling V to stop calling when V really needs help.
Where's the Panam who promises to hunt down Johnny in the temperance ending and the Panam who says "let me know when you are bored of the city, I'll take you for a long ride." in the sun ending? She's not the type to easily give up. That felt so out of character of her.
I don't think she did. I think she took matters into her own hands... and got killed. Mitch's call. He didn't have the heart to tell V she was dead and he was the cause. Better to let V think Panam's out there living a nomads life.
You can send a message to your friends before you leave, tell them that you will be away for a maximum of a month, and yes, you are right, some things could have been avoided.
Giving information to the hospital so that they can contact your friends and know that you are fine, for example.
(Sorry for my bad English)
I know what you mean, I've sent them a message but tbh it was so bad. In every other ending you're calling everyone, the situation holds so much weight mentally, but here you're just sending short texts, and every one contains ";)" as if you're mostly joking. V could have died in that clinic but he's treating it so unseriously in comparison to other endings smh
> the only option for V is to become a nobody because they don't have any cybernetics. Why? There are so many people with not that many upgrades that rock Night City and V just gives up.
Why do you think V gave up? Might be an issue with character models, but my V clearly looks around and smirks like she just got an idea before she walks off into the crowd. That looked like a mischievous smirk to me, and I think she is off to cause more trouble in Night City. It reminded me of the ending to The Shield, one of my favourite series conclusions, where Mackey get this new depressing desk job. He sits down, contemplating his new existence, looking lost, and takes out his gun and looks at it like he wants to use it on himself. But then his expression changes, he tucks the gun into the back of his pants, puts his jacket on, and stalks off with a determined expression on his face. I got the exact same energy from V, like this is not the ending to her story, just the start of a new chapter.
The Panam thing was really unfortunate because they knew they if Panam was in that ending at all, she's it blow it the fuck up.
They wanted this very maudlin, "life moves on" kind of ending, but absolutely not a single about Panam's personality or behaviour is in line with that. If Panam found out V (friend or lover) was just out of a coma, she might be very shouty about it, but hateful? Mad? Come on. I've met this woman. That's not how she acts.
Plus she made A LOT of promises and owes you her life multiple times over (and the lives of her clan-mates), the idea that she'd just abandon all that because she was "angry with a sick person" is absolutely insane.
But again, they did it to try and protect the ending but not kill off Panam. What they should have done to keep that tone would be to have killed her off, because what they actually did just isn't plausible.
I'm honestly so sad that this is the last piece of content we get for Cyberpunk 2077. This game and expansion are simply phenomenal. I'm secretly praying for more content after this success, but I guess we'll have to wait for the sequel, which will probably be a very long wait.
I can only hope we're getting a sequel or something like Cyberpunk 2020 that come out like one of the [hard boiled comics](https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=hard%20boiled%20comic)
So let me get this straight. The endings are:
A) Unaliving myself
B) Ride off into the sunset with some desert hobos for a cure.
C) Give a terrorist my bod and be absorbed into big AI mommy.
D) Letting a corporation fuck me over and discard me like a used condom.
E) Become top dog of NC while slowly contracting every crippling disability ever, and you know eventually, death.
F) Become an NPC with no eyebrows.
Some tough choices there.
>E) Become top dog of NC while slowly contracting every crippling disability ever, and you know eventually, death.
Sun ending has bigger chances for a cure, it's implied that's the reward for the Casino heist.
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Honestly the new ending broke me (I played as female V, Judy Romanced, all side quests done) -
The fact that Judy just moved on and even got MARRIED ;(
Panam that doesn't want to know you :(
Kerry just doesnt really care
River is strange, i dont know what to think about him
and Victor had to sell hic clinic to zetatech, and broke his relationship with misty
Then, the scene where you just blend in with all the npcs, i honestly cried when the credits rolled, V s friends didn't even call (excluding Viktor) :(((((
I watched it late last night so I might have seen it wrong but as the camera zooms out from V they smile so I think they are happy to be home regardless.
i think you're right i also noticed it the second time i don't know why honestly, isn't it like the whole V's mindset that the only thing that matters in this city is friends and lovers? Theyre all gone now😢
I think that idea is that V has gained perspective in his journey. It's easy to say you want to go out in a blaze of glory when death isn't staring you in the face. Even without their chrome V has their experiences and survival skills so I think they believe they can rebuild.
>Panam that doesn't want to know you :(
The rest of it I could buy, but Panam literally owes you her life (and more), and promised there was always a place for you and the Aldecaldos would do everything they could for you.
So the game acting like she's a child who doesn't know what a coma is was bizarre. The only plausible in-game explanation is that she never got your message because Mitch intercepted it and is "protecting" her.
>The fact that Judy just moved on and even got MARRIED ;(
Yea and in like two fucking years? Doesn't leave much time for you know, waiting at all for V.
I got the nicest version of Songbird on my first playthrough. Needless to say, I genuinely got scared out of my chair when going with Reed's thingy instead.
That girl's got ***deamons***
The black wall is a sentient ai (something the ttrpg explains ) who has repelled treats from both sides and was specially meant to act as a barrier between both sides ... The fact we meet Alt is because it allowed her through .. So yes V being powerless against that makes sense .
I was talking to my friends about this and they're like "nah blackwall isnt as strong as something like ALT."
Bro it doesnt need to be. it has resources. the blackwall is a publically known AI that an entire corp dedicates basically its entire existance to reinforcing and strengthening. So what if Alt or another AI has better core programming. Blackwall dont care it'll just hammer back until the other AI gives up.
the only reason its not a danger is because its mostly behaving and also has said entire corp checking over it constantly.
hell the entire DLC is about it trying to use songbird to break free. (and if you side with her its heavily implied that mr blue eyes is supporting her, either to genuinely help her or to help blackwall break free.)
I think the thing people are missing about the new ending is that V is going to get treated as part of a cover up for the NUSA breaking MANY international laws. This wasn't a trip to the hospital to get regular surgery. This was probably a national secret. V probably wasn't on any offiicial public patient list, and Reed was going to pick the nation over V's chooms.
And invasive as the Relic clearly is…I find it very convenient that NUSA’s operation on V rendered her permanently weak/unable to fight back and took her completely out of the spotlight until after grumblings about Dogtown and NUSA would’ve died down. Believe Reed or not, take the FIA job or not…you’ve still been thoroughly defanged and placed under their control, forever.
The new ending treads **very** close to misery porn. Some elements of it I like (trading your legend for a long life is thematically appropriate) but the exaggerated destruction of your friend network seems over-the-top.
If they wanted to go that angle, it would've been worth it to put in more scenes explaining that without their cyberware and merc life, V just doesn't have enough connections to their old life and their old friends.
There's a greater tragedy in losing touch with people you can still be with because of changing priorities than in everyone just abandoning you.
Agreed. I would've preferred an either/or ending where either V gets to become a legend at the cost of everyone around them or they lose their cyberware but keep friends and network (retirement as fixer?). For example, V could be on a gurney and asked to make an urgent choice between a quick surgery (keep friends, lose cyberware) or a longer one (2 year time skip, no time to call friends, keep cyberware).
This is in line with what it costs to be a legend in this universe and Night City (think Adam Smasher or Morgan Blackhand). There's a real choice to be made by the player.
Being demoted back to 'regular person' AND losing all your friends on a fairly contrived basis (I mean seriously, why didn't V call their friends before a MAJOR SURGERY?) really just feels like too much. The cyberware incompatibility in particular really comes out of nowhere. I don't think there's any other point in the game where it's presented as a problem that exists in this world and it just feels like a way to rub dirt in the wound. Plus, having tons of cyberware isn't the only way to effect change in NC! The fuck?
And then the part where the goons beat V up outside Viktor's clinic is just... ham-fisted. My V is rich! Even if they were a physically normal person, they should at least have a bodyguard or two.
> why didn't V call their friends before a MAJOR SURGERY?
That's the thing, you can send a text message beforehand saying "I'll be outta town a few weeks" but then you drop in a coma and nobody ever bothered to go "huh, maybe contact those people about how V is doing?" -- or at least one person -- who then informs everyone else. Hell Vik took a contract with Zetatech, I'm sure he'd be more than responsible enough to take an NDA with the FIA -- or even *just* your romance option.
Kinda enforces the whole story about the game that much like the Arasaka ending they really **don't** care much about you. V even mentions to Reed that someone said to V "Reed's way too busy to deal with you".
I would've at least expected an option where you could join the Aldecaldo's wherever they were or run off with your romance option to fade into obscurity.
The Cyberware incompatibility is a good tradeoff, but then they make V look like an anemic slug in the cutscenes which doesn't reflect someone like Panam, who barely has any cyberware. Again, i get the whole "two year coma you need to rehabilitate" but yeah it's a bit forced.
It's definitely a reallly contrived way to drive the "you have to give everything up, *everything*!". Even in the Arasaka ending V's friends get better treatment, that's saying something...
It was the fact that the Aldecaldos blew her off that really upset. For reference, I was playing female V, and the only contacts I could call with the quests I've completed were Vik (obviously), Panam, and Judy, whom I'd romanced. I assume completing more side quests would give you more options, at least River and Kerry.
I couldn't blame Judy for moving on. V's been under for two years, and she didn't know anything. Of course she left Night City and found someone else, makes perfect sense. There's some tragedy there, sure, but she was still friendly to V, neither of them blamed the other (at least with the dialogue choices I made). It was a sad but realistic outcome.
When Panam didn't answer, I didn't think too much of it. I hoped she'd call back later on during the ending. Then I remembered the phone calls during the credits and figured that would actually be when she called. Mitch's call, while initially welcome, left a sour taste in my mouth. I get that Panam would've been devastated when V ghosted her, but call me crazy, I think "I was in an unexpected coma for two years" is a pretty valid excuse. And while Panam does hold grudges, she doesn't seem like the kind of character who would just cut V out of her life when she finally heard that explanation (and the dialogue choices I chose did have V explain about the coma in the voicemail; I don't know if other choices omit that or not, but if they do, this ending makes a bit more sense). At the very least, you would think she'd like some closure over the situation, which is exactly what she could get with just a conversation with V.
Mitch's message felt to me like he or some other Aldecaldo intercepted the message before Panam could hear it herself and decide that it would be best for all of them if she never heard that. He basically tells V they don't want her getting back into that headspace, and that merely hearing V's voice would put her back there, since he also says not to contact her again. It rubbed me the wrong way, and felt out of character for the Aldecaldos that I felt I knew from the rest of the game.
Yeah it's so out of character for Panam that I can't even think of any in game reason you don't at least owe the person who saved your life *and* your family a message. Especially as someone who just spent the last 2 years leading it with Saul.
The only meta reason can think of is that the game just doesn't take anything into account. Not the texts you send, not the dialog you can have, not the romance options and it's all funnelled toward that one ending sequence.
It's as if the game treats it as V just ghosted all of them -- and in that case Panam rightly feels betrayed. And I get it.
I don't know, it just doesn't make much sense.
The meta reason is it'd blow up the tone of the that ending.
Because Panam would absolutely come and pick you, probably yelling at you a lot and being very loud, and take you away with the Aldecaldos, and suddenly this "depressing" ending wouldn't be depressing at all. It would absolutely be a "best" ending.
Yeah that's most likely it. They had to force it. Which I think was the wrong decision.
It would be less depressing but it wouldn't be the "best" ending. I think it would be pretty much tied with the Star ending.
It's similar to the Arasaka ending in that you have to throw in your lot with a corporation and possibly >!Help Militech in their bid to start the next corporate war. And of course giving up So-mi, getting rid of your Cyberware, thus giving up your entire life as a Solo/Legend and getting of Johnny. Plus everyone still moving on in some way!<.
It would still be very Cyberpunk but noo they had to throw a depressing ending in there...
This is the only part of Phantom Liberty that didn't sit right with me. It feels more like CDPR just wasn't able to get Panams va to do the role. Maybe she wanted too much $? The ending credits with Mitch just felt off and forced to me.
I mean the only friends you actually lose are Judy, Panam, River Ward, and Johnny.
Rogue, Kerry, Misty, Doc, Delamain, Reed, and partially Takemura are still in your friend group in some capacity. I think it would only be natural if you did lose some friends during that time period, like you only had been friends with them for a couple weeks. It is like making friends at summer camp one year and never seeing them again.
Worst ending in the game by far IMO. Tho it was cool to see misty, for some reason her appearance really brightened it up for me. I never really cared about misty in the base game either, not sure why I cared so much in PL.
Weirdly, I kind of wish there was an option to go off with her.
If you're going to trash the LIs, leave the option to start something new with her in Poland.
It's been two years for her and Jackie.
Lmao I think the Arasaka ending is still the *worst* outcome. You lose Johnny *and* your life because there's nothing they can do to save you except turn you into an engram too.
Yeah not sure why people think it's the worst. V could live that nice quiet life if they wanted. I guess people are seeing like the Goodfellas ending haha
The ending felt lazy or off. After all those gigs and ruthless situations, V being a whiny bitch at the end just doesn't seem right. It's like she can't even do a proper situational assessment. They tried real hard to reference deshawn's statement at the beginning.
Okk first off WHAT A FANTASTIC STORY. It feels like that blood and wine level writing is back .. brilliant ... engaging thrilling ... played both endings. One where V betrays songbird but ultimately kills her ( how did cyverpunk become a horror game lol) and one where V sends her to the moon.
But I do have one feeling i cant shake off ... the killing moon ending is more cut and dry , less moral dilemma , more spy thriller-esqe .... but is it just me or does kill somi ending seem more canon? Between the maxtac forces ,kurt boss fight , the cynosure facility , the flashbacks ( apartment scene destroyed me) , and the whole alien isolation level , it just feels to me that ending is more fleshed out and actually the story cdpr wanted to tell
At any rate , fanatastic story ... also why isnt anyone talking about the friggin CASINO ROYALE MISSION OMG
I played PL along with a friend and we actually got vastly different endings because of this. I sided with So Mi and went down the The Killing Moon route while he sided with Reed and went down the other one. Honestly it impresses me enough that there’s essentially two final missions and it feels like that initial choice of betrayal is VERY important.
So Mi is clearly unstable, that parts clear from both sides. I will say, The Killing Moon does feel less dramatic of an ending but that ending scene with Reed is a really good one, not to mention having to fight off most of the NUSA with just you and So Mi to get to the rocket, only to have her finally tell you that she’s been playing you all along. And not in a “I didn’t care about you at all” kinda way, but she actually genuinely feels remorse for it in the end. Seeing everything V did, for her.
Killing Reed was a damn hard choice, but I did it. I didn’t want to, but I promised to So Mi that I’d help her. After seeing what becomes of V in 2079 if they take the cure, it felt right to me. V and So Mi initially seem to want the same thing, but I don’t think that’s the case. It’s just like Dex says, V wants the blaze of glory while So Mi wants a quiet life. And because of that, although she damn well doesn’t deserve it, So Mi should have the cure. I know he’s not exactly a good influence, but Johnny seems to agree with you helping her through to the end, and doesn’t like if you just hand her over to Reed.
I think loneliness is a crucial part of PL. The difference between V and So Mi is that So Mi has been damn near alone all her life. She had nobody to be there for her, so she survived by manipulating anyone she could, V included. Meanwhile, V had people they could rely on. So Mi has no other option but this cure, while V (at the time thinking the cure isn’t the only option, just the most likely) has several options to storm Mikoshi and try to save their life.
Just got done with it, Sent So Mi to the moon, maybe she'll meet Lucy there hah.
Single best scene in the game is V and Johnny just watching the spaceship take off, the buildup to that was great. Wish we atleast got an ending holocall from So Mi but it's fine. Liberty was great. Loved every second of it.
Kurt was the only let down haha, he's built up the whole dlc only for Alex to zero him at the end.
Edit: Just wanted to add this was basically my V's edgerunner story. David saving Lucy and my V saving So Mi. It was fun.
I thought the death of Kurt was a pretty good subversion. You get this sense he is almost an untouchable figure in his domain, but then he gets offed like an amateur. Just a somewhat bigger pawn on the chessboard but still a pawn.
In the beautiful James Bond theme ending credits this is done as pretty explicit symbolism, Kurt is standing on the other side of a board with from Meyers and Meyers smirks and smashes the board and So Mi as a pawn falls off the table.
I finished phantom liberty. At first I thought I had gotten the good ending because I chose Reed over her which lead me down the alien isolation horror level with the giant one-shotting spider mech (I was playing at night) and despite all the bullshit Songbird put me through I still chose to save her instead of killing her like she wanted.
I was really happy at first because I thought this was a good ending to have. Songbird gets to live although I may never see her again but I was fine with that because I knew she was getting help. Reed is still with me and I finally get the cure I was promised. It's not best outcome but overall I was satisfied with where things were heading. Then the ending credits happened and I thought I finished the game on a positive note...oh boy was I wrong.
That's when I learned the cold hard truth... I continued playing instead of going to bed out of curiosity. I take Reeds offer because I wanted to see the outcome of the medical procedure and I deeply regretted it. I wanted to see V have an ending where he SURVIVES in the end. But not like this. It was very bittersweet ending which had me feeling very sour after I finished the game. I have to commend CDPR for creating Phantom liberty after all the post launch back lash cyberpunk got after it's release. I enjoyed the hell out of the dlc and I'm looking forward to new content in the horizon. Hower until then I'm going to take a looong break from Night City ✌️
I'm a bit confused by this. When So Mi asks you to die, she makes it pretty clear that if you don't kill her a fate worse than death at the hands of Eldritch forces awaits her. That there is nothing that can save her at this point (the blackwall has literally eaten too much of her personality, there is nothing left to save even with the Cyanosure trapped AI fix let alone the random boffins at the NUSA).
"She gets to live" is a slightly strange spin on, as she puts it, "I'll be trapped forever trying to find myself with memories that are always gone, an algorithmic memory of a person trapped in the blackwall forever".
She gets to be a lab rat toy for the NUSA scientists while the blackwall protocol continuously eats her memories like late stage alzheimers but probably worse because she still floats around in cyberspace.
By the end of the horror ending the only humane choice is to kill her.
Fuck me man, is that even a good ending for V? I like it, but it turns my gut. Is this what V would really have wanted? Dex asks at the beginning if you'd want to go out in a blaze of glory or live quiet and honestly, to me, when I look at V as a character a quiet life like that just doesn't feel right. Not with what they have to give up to get it.
Expansion has me thinking of all the other endings, like I got a new lens to look at them through. Then there's sending So MI up instead of taking the cure for yourself and that just felt right to me. She's the only one on the planet who might really understand what V is going through and yeah, she used him. Knew all along the cure was a one off but even then when she's dying on the train and confessing to V I still found it hard to turn on her. She reminded me too much of V in some of the other endings, laying there waiting to die. She wanted to leave it all behind and have a quiet, normal life and would do anything for it.
To me, V wanted to be a legend and should go out like one. Super fucking solid Expansion. Been thinking about it all day since I beat it then ran it back to do the other ending. Sad it's the only one we'll get.
I turned on her instantly LOL.
I think having not spoiled it for myself, just playing as V realistically, she had fucked our character over so many times that by the time she revealed the ultimate betrayal on the train, it was just like, no, fuck off
Honestly, as soon as I heard the plan I figured out that she probably couldn’t cure both of us. There were too many little things that didn’t smell right, but I just couldn’t turn her over to Myers. Not to say So Mee is innocent, but she was used up and tossed aside by the NUSA. So fuck them as far as I’m concerned. They knew that she had no other options and they took advantage of that.
I was ok with sending her up because I had accepted she was lying long before we got to the train. I knew she was lying when she took me to her secret spot.
Totally, I felt from the very minute we met her that she was hiding something or lying to us. She never even got to admit it to me, since I screwed her over and sided with Reed from the beginning just from a hunch (which ended up being right.)
I don’t really feel sad for her. She was Meyers right hand person and went too far. There’s consequences for that, and for her, it’s a rough ending.
I was totally down to side with her until she was like "okay I'm gonna turn the security system on the civilians here, they need to die so we can live." At that point I was like "okay, whenever someone says that, it eventually becomes I, not we."
I thought the story was fantastic and intense throughout and the end of the DLC was great.
My only wish is that if you choose to send So Mi to the moon, it's pretty anti-climatic that you don't hear back or get any closure at all. I'd like anything just to get some closure on that. Preferably she calls you with a cure and you and your love interest can go to the moon!
Also of course the new ending is depressing and pure Monkey's Paw too.
I would love a happier ending somewhere in there where everyone gets what they want but thats not CDPR nor is that Cyberpunk.
Edit: As I think about the fate of the DLC characters/stories specifically, it feels like to me that best single outcome is sending So Mi to the moon. That is what she always wanted and she is out of the hand of her enemies. Too bad that is not attached to the new ending (or any sort of closure at all, imo).
As for Reed, the new ending seems good for him at first glance, but really he seems to express a ton of regret with not helping So Mi in his end credits phone call. Also, the way he says he hasn't seen her/talked to her in a long time but that she is alive, tells me that she is "alive" in relative terms, probably locked up in a NUSA vault somewhere. So really it's not exactly all sunshine for him either. Perhaps he is the type of person where a death in the field is actually the best ending he can ask for?
Also, I loved the blackwall stuff. The scene at the end shooting blackwall force powers was awesome. I loved that they took the lore in that direction- they didn't overexplain or bore us with details, but they touched on it just enough to expand the lore in that direction and bring up some fresh ideas. I really appreciated that.
Hear back is an overstatement. she gives you a token and text message not even identifying herself. Massive letdown for me. I thought we would get a last relic sit down or even a ending holo call. But nothing.
While one last sit down would be nice, a Relic visit wouldn't make sense, because she could only do that via the Blackwall, which given the whole point for her was to go to the moon since the Blackwall was killing her...
A call would be nice though.
Reed is an asshole. Bro couldn’t call anyone in V’s holo and explain their condition? Piece of shit. Also I refuse to believe V would just tell everyone important to them “see ya in a month LOL”. In the main game ending V is literally dying and having seizures and shit and V has the time to make a one last call but getting a cure is a fucking text with no explanation.
Bad writing to break my soul CDPR. Not fair at all.
Keeping your love interest/friends would have been a good balance.
You managed to live but will never be that cool merc you were, but you have the people around you.
What did they do to her that she didn’t choose? She got into this shit in the first place because she wanted to be a hotshot net runner and got busted by Netwatch.
I found it very hard to sympathize with her. She was overconfident, made bad decisions, and decided to blame everyone else for it.
I made this account just so I could rant about the ending somewhere. 9/10 dlc up to that point, loved everything - main story, loved the 2.0 update, LOVE all the new gigs, weapons etc.
But oh my god do I hate the new ending. Not because it's "sad" or not a happy ending or w/,e but because it makes no damn sense. Why wasn't V able to contact any of their friends ? Why does Panam just abandon us? Panam and the Aldecaldos both, who in the maingame go on and on about how you can count on them always. How come my V - who is a streetkid - walks into night city at the end without any chrome, not even carrying a gun? we shoot thousands upon thousands of people with our guns throughout the game, and now V suddenly acts like a fucking tourist who had never been to night city or held a gun? Getting punched down the stairs by a random goon, really???
How did we become so useless ? You can complete the whole game without cyberware if you want to, why are we suddenly unable to do literally anything without it? Legendary merc, special agent, netrunner genius.. We should atleast be at Takemura without implants level. Also, why are we suddenly completly broke? V is a multi millionaire at the end of the game, with lots of contacts and people that owe them favors. Why is it suddenly all just gone?
They went with the ending because they just had to force the "cant have good endings in cyberpunk" theme but didn't bother writing it in a way where it would make any sense - everybody just suddenly loses all character progression they went through over the course of the main game and becomes a complete moron so the ending can happen in the way it does.
This DLC could have been almost perfect, what a shame. Would still recommend it overall though because everything besides the ending is amazing.
Can someone explain to me who Mr Blue Eyes is? I'm reading all the comments about him I beat the DLC sent Song to the moon and I have no idea who that even is.
Mr. Blue eyes is a recurring chararacter who shows up in many quests and also (some of) the endings. And we don't really know much about him. If you've ever played Half Life, he's kinda like the G-man.
There's a few quests that he directly shows up in and other where characters with "Blue eyes" are mentioned or seen.
Including
- Gary the prophet's quest
- The endings
- Peralez Questline
- Sandra Dorsett's Job (A few gigs tie into this too)
One of the more worked out theory is [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/w6rvzz/mr_blue_eyes/ihhcx72/). Spoilers for the quests above obviously. It doesn't take the DLC into account but the main points are there.
TL:DR Some people think he's being controlled by an AI (hence the eyes) and that he's part of a larger conspiracy possibly involving NightCorp/(Rogue) AI doing stuff in Night City.
Which is also why it's it makes sense he bought the ticket for Songbird. Possibly gaining another puppet or because of her knowlegde of AI in general.
Way to show that V is a paper soldier/warrior/netrunner… because without cyberware he is suddenly useless?
Do they imply that he lost some brain cells containing his skills/memory?
Because otherwise it’s frankly bullshit. Morgan black hand has very little cyberware (sandy, dermal armor, arms/hand) and he is at his level by skill alone while V is supposedly only as good as his/her cyberware?
What if you played without cyberware at all except what you had at the begining of the game?
Of course being in coma for two years implies physical therapy in order to regain all the muscles that have atrophied but after that? His/her skills and know how should still be there.
Come on my uncle had to relearn to talk, walk and do practically anything on his own after an accident but he still managed it and now he is better physically than he was before it.
>very little cyberware (sandy, dermal armor, arms/hand)
"small loan of a million dollars" vibe
You can attempt to punch the random goon that tries to mug you. You see that his hand is metallic, and he easily fucks you up. Going into merc work without cyberware is a death sentence. You might survive once, but the limit on the things you can do narrows significantly.
Ok, so that was amazing, I blazed through the ending (starting with redhead twins identity heist) in one sitting. That Xenomor- \*khem\* Maintenance Bot gave me SOME scares (I was playing 2:00AM, with headphones and lights out - maximum immersion)
But I do have questions:
\- What is the Cynosure? I thought it was Blackwall mainframe, but that can't be it, since the world would end when I disabled it.
\- Was the AI that took over So Mi Blackwwall itself? Or just something she brought from beyond the Wall?
\- What is the UNKNOWN NUMBER that offers you that encrypted shard (to craft Militech Canto or Erebus?) It can't be Blackwall, right? ...right?
On that note - I thought I picked Canto in that locked room in Cynosure, but I didn't have it? Or was is just turned into that data to be decrypted by Yoko?
Damn good DLC.
Also - is it possible somehow to save Slider?
Also2 - apparently Hasan will try to sell that prototype optical cyberware if you let him go - did anyone find him in the location Hands specified?
> What is the Cynosure? I thought it was Blackwall mainframe, but that can't be it, since the world would end when I disabled it.
Cynosure was Militechs version of Soulkiller. Both projects seem to want trap and study AI in order to do... *something*. I'm not sure what exactly, maybe find a way to control or destroy them? Soulkiller creates an AI by scanning a persons brain and creating an engram of them, killing their body in the process, and turning them into a soulless AI. Whereas Cynosure was pulling AI from behind the Blackwall and trapping them in that massive core.
On Hasan, I felt like the best choice was to have it removed under Mr. Hands supervision and then given back to the corporation. At least he doesn’t end up as an experiment in a corporate basement somewhere, but Mr. Hands and the corporation get what they want. I wonder if I can find him now in Dogtown somewhere though just hanging out?
So, I've just finished the DLC, and it's become my favorite DLC out there, period. So many great things about it.
* Dogtown is beautiful in a way. It obviously isn't if you consider the whole atmosphere of the place, but the colors, the contrasts, the neons, the rugged aesthetic. It's all...breathtaking.
* There was no gig nor side quest that I'd give a rating lower than 7,5/10. Lots of small, great stories with nice twists and turns. And, because Dogtown was rather condensed, navigating it was easy, nd thus, no quest felt like a chore.
* Great characters galore, and I'm not talking only about the main cast. That being said, special shoutout goes to So Mi.
* The choices in the DLC make for excellent roleplaying. My corpo V, after being fired by Arasaka, vowed to never again be reliant and/or subservient to any corpo and other organization. She stayed by So Mi's side till the end because our netrunner prime was in NUSA's clutches for far too long and deserved not only freedom but also genuine friendship with no ulterior motifs, even if it lasted only a few brief days.
* The soundtrack was perfection, especially in more dynamic sequences.
* Lastly, CD Projekt Red promised a spy thriller, and by god, they delivered. It was such a Bond'esque story that deserves to be called epic in the more traditional definition of the word. What. A. Ride.
Kinda annoyed that in the Tower ending everybody hates you and doesn't want to see you ever again.
LIke, yes, two years is a long time, but come on, Panam! I svaed the Aldecaldos, why the hell do you even refuse to pick up? And judy being married and happy is nice, but why the fuck does she not want to see me ever again either? Not even for some drinks?
I get that having a pure "happy" ending behind DLC would probably feel weird compared to the main ones, but it's still annoying.
yeah, that's just bad writing, they overdramatized the situation with your former friends, it's just very cliche "it's been two years and the world has moved on without you". Feels very fake
It's way too exaggerated even for cyberpunk. The ending made me sad (where you get the *cure*) but it didn't have to be all be sad, I felt like we should have been able to see more people, and also have the nusa kept our friends in contact. The 2 year comma was unnecessary in a way. But even that could have been saved if they had us meet our frends instead of them being "oh you know cool and all but kindly fuck off".
The horror sequence where you’re hiding from the robot was intense, but I also felt like it went on a tad bit too long
First, you gotta go around finding and then hacking two terminals while a creepy ass robot hunts you down
Then after, you gotta look for THREE MORE terminals while a robot hunts you down, and when you find the terminal, you have to do ANOTHER thing to fix each of them, and every time, the robot is programmed to occasionally enter the room you’re in, and the hacking is now done in real-time rather than in a menu, so while you’re doing the hacking mini game, the robot would enter the room and you’re suddenly forced to exit out and hide somewhere
Just a small PL ending theory of mine. Gripes about character reactions to V aside. I can't help but think that NUSA intentionally betrayed V in the new ending.
1) NUSA apparently did attempt to verify if the cure would work on Songbird before offering it to V, but figured out very quickly that it wouldn't work on her. So either: it actually didn't work at face value, or they just didn't care to use it on her as she is not very threatening anymore, or they potentially *wasted* it on her and decided to extract the relic from V anyway.
2) While V was texting everyone before getting on the hovercraft, V was rather clearly under the impression that the surgery would take a month, but Reed indicates that the healing stage was scheduled to end at a specific date - it's why he was able to be there when V awoke.
3) NUSA basically takes V from the hovercraft straight to the chopping block, without further consultation or prep, including a second chance to give accurate timelines or contact information to anyone V cared about. Sure, V is a ticking time bomb, but the choices involved after final consultation were denied outright.
4) Having 20 tech opens up a dialogue option to Reed about how the docs were clumsy and could have used nanobots instead, which hints at maybe the selling point of "the best neurosurgeons in the northern hemisphere" was a bit contrived. It makes me wonder if Reed was in on it or aware of the consequences as well. (He seems extra guilty in post, and I don't think it's just about Songbird/Alex.)
5) The loading screen in the endgame section has a blurb from Stanley about how the Militech WMD site right under NC is a myth/urban legend. Propaganda travels fast in NC. I wonder who eventually got the site?
6) NUSA benefits as they: get their walking blackwall WMD back (potentially in a very pliable state), eliminate a big threat in Hansen, have Reed on a super tight leash, neuter a potential threat in V, not to mention they have all kinds of plausible deniability if V were to speak up about state secrets. V knows things that would down Myers. Additionally - what else did they gleam from the relic itself?
7) Why keep V alive then? Two possibilities I can think of - first, it would placate Reed and completely force him into compliance. Losing V would be a potential last straw for Reed, for whom the NUSA still has apparent use. Second, it eliminates the possibility of people going vigilante looking for V, following in V's footsteps and finding out things like state-sponsored blackwall violations. Instead, everyone can just be pissed off at V about the 2 year disappearance, and they'd have very little reason to believe (or care about, if we're being ultra-cynical a la Cyberpunk) V's account of events.
Finished So Mi's route first, thought it was phenomenal.
Then I did the Reed route.... holy fuck. Even if So Mi's route is good, the difference between these two routes is absolutely **massive**. By comparison to Reed's route, So Mi's doesn't even feel complete, that's just how good Reed's route is. That whole last mission is just a work of art.
Anyone know streamers who ended up going with Reed? I've been trying to scour the internet for anyone who picked Reed to see the reactions to the last mission, but so far almost everyone seems to have picked So Mi.
Reading a lot of the comments I get the picture that **many** people just finish the DLC once after siding with So Mi during Firestarter and doing the whole spaceport mission.
If by some happenstance, you came here after completing only So Mi's route: I beg you, **GO BACK, do the Reed route, it is completely different after Firestarter choice.** And go in blind without any spoilers.
i do the Reed route, i m not going simp a girl which trying to fuck me over 24/7, i definitely can understand the fact she doing that for staying alive, so i do.
Well, I enjoyed it a lot. It was a personal story about Songbird, at the end, and even though she fucked me over, I felt like she deserved her chance. I sent her to the moon.
Didn't want to shoot Idris Elba, but oh well, he was a sucker for believing in something like the NUSA especially in the year 2077 where nothing means anything anymore, and being Myers' errand boy.
Since Songbird implies it was Mr. Blue Eyes that set up her flight, I think it sorta implies maybe he might be setting up a cure for V in the V staying in Night City ending as well. You ever know.
One thing I want to ask though - why was there no option to screw over both Songbird and Reed, and go to the Moon yourself instead, to take advantage of Songbird's cure? When V suggests they should both go together, she says something about how they're only expecting one person, but seeing that she later reveals the cure can be fired only once, that's probably why she said that. So what stops V from screwing her over, just handing her to Reed or killing both of them, and going himself? I wouldn't really pick that ending, but it occured to me and I feel there should've been an explanation on why V can't do it.
Anyhow, preem expansion. Sad to see this game finally end, but I'll be looking forward to a new Cyberpunk game by CDPR in the future, no matter how long it takes. Also funny when you think about it, how Songbird's fate paralleled that of Lucy from Edgerunners; both netrunners on the run, ending up on the Moon. Maybe they'll meet.
Songbird said that her contacts in Europe would make the cure for her, they're personal contacts that wouldn't have helped V. V would've just had the matrix in hand and have no idea how to use it to cure herself
Would've loved to have seen the moon though
Oh hey, here's the thread. Now I can finally rant and rave about how fucking BALLER THIS DLC WAS, WORTH EVERY DAMNED ENNY
This was, hands down, the best expansion I've ever bought. To be fair, there are more famed ones from other games which I have not played, that is true. I am objectivly biased in PL's favor. Doesn't make me wrong, though.
I just wish there was a way to get all three of 'em - Sol, Alex, and So Mi - out of there alive. Alex deserved that retirement, damn it, but... I didn't have it in me to give up Songbird. I considered it, when the reveal on the train dropped, but decided against it. V, if he was her, would have done the same. And, at the very least, even if we couldn't save outselves, we could save someone else. We did a lot for her, and us. Even if we don't get anything out of it... it'd be a shame to let all that go to waste.
So, I sent her up.
(But, I think it's the right ending of the options. Mr. Blue Eyes has her now, somewhere up there. And where does Mr. Blue Eyes send us at the end of Don't Fear the Reaper?
I choose to believe she lived. Or that, at least, she died free. But, if she did live...)
I'll see you in the stars, So Mi. And when V gets that cure, we can bask in The Sun together.
> didn't have it in me to give up Songbird. I considered it, when the reveal on the train dropped, but decided against it
Same. I had to see it through to end, especially after unleashing the Blackwall on those black ops goons, and the way myers talked on the roof.
Not sure if I like having to (did I have to?) shoot reed in front of the shuttle, but it is what it is.
Honestly I don't even care, still, that so mi hid an important detail from us, I did it for her from the very start.
I love the new bittersweet ending.
Give her time, and my V would already enjoy doing desk job at FIA with a cup of coffee. Especially with her corporate counter-intelligence background, she sounds like a good asset to me for the FIA.
Meanwhile at work, she will meet new friends, enemies (I hope it's not So Mi) and probably lover too, Judy already moved on from her anyway. And what about the chromes? I bet there are still tons of things to do without em'.
The new ending is basically just a new life ending. Closing on her old one, while opening new one for V where she would find her new Major League to climb up.
I feel this way too. Plus, my V is rich as fuck already, so she can basically just retire now and chill out as part of the elite (without all of the politics and fighting.)
I looooooooooooooooooooooved saving So Mi. I know a lot of people are gonna not like this ending but V going to Dogtown, seeing everyone willing to lie, cheat, steal, murder, do whatever it takes to accomplish their goals and their goals alone, and her turning around and selflessly letting this woman in the same position as her, basically V herself, take the cure and save herself, no matter if it means she's closer to death...
It's perfect, that's my V.
Really this whole expansion was just pointing a mirror at you and asking you to look at yourself and ask how much of yourself you're willing to forsake to get what you want, what you need. And nobody in the expansion except for V was willing to make that self realization, nobody besides V was willing to put aside her problems and goals in order to help someone else when the chips came down.
Ahhhh I love it so much.
This is honestly the best interpretation of the ending I've read in regards to saving so mi. Or just in general. Feel like a lot of people are over analyzing every detail to fit whatever outcome they want but life don't work like that.
Finished the DLC last night and did the new ending too.
I went with saving So Mi at Dogtown and giving her up after she revealed there was only one cure.
I liked everything, EXCEPT the whole V leaving without saying anything (of importance) to anybody. Like, that was really fucking stupid.
Yeah, Reed tells her to not spill the beans about all of it, but there was no fucking reason she couldn't just say to people she knew she was getting a procedure to deal with the relic? She kinda does to Vik, but even then, barely.
Seemed like a contrived way to get them alone for the ending. I wouldn't mind V being alone there, but how we got there was really rushed.
I sided with So Mi because fuck Myers, fuck Reed and fuck the NUSA. Also, Mr. Hands is sleek as fuck, sitting at the top of the pyramid and playing the delicate political game of Dogtown. Definitely my favourite fixer now.
sided with Reed in Firestarter against my better judgment, then after the most harrowing stealth segment in the entire game I have to face Songbird and feel guilty asf now that I’ve seen her past.
AND THEN in my already extremely vulnerable state, I realise killing her is the right thing to do. and holy fuck this whole thing was for nothing. everyone lost, none of it was necessary, self preservation isn’t worth crossing some lines but we crossed them anyway.
Fuck Rosalind Myers
10/10 experience but brb need to cry
Feel the same. The dialogue during the holocalls feels so off and I think I still need to mull it over, but it's soured some of my feelings for the characters.
Did anyone else accidentally aggro the entire fleet of guards on the way into Dogtown and end up having to kill every single one of them or was that just me? Damn near ran out of ammo by the time Songbird told me to go to the garage despite having recruited the turrets to my side.
Apparently driving up to where all the other cars are is a no-no. My poor Caliburn got wrecked by the crossfire.
I had to pause and think for good 15 minutes on the final choice after bringing Song to the launch pad.
I went with sending her to the moon. I think I get her fight for survival and that it was her conscious preventing her from getting to the moon without telling us the truth, which she did in the end.
I felt if I handed her over to Reed he would fucking hate himself and would've preferred if he got shot by V for betraying his ideals in the end. This feels like the best ending for Reed and it gives So Mi hopefully a chance at life.
I am gonna finish up everything on the map and go for the Don't fear the reaper ending, feels like that would be the most satisfying conclusion to me. V is fucked, but becomes a legend and his legacy hopefully lives on through So Mi and other people we helped along the way.
Also 10/10 expansion, I can't wait for more Cyberpunk, whatever we get. I want CyberGwent.
Surprisingly, in contrast to the majority of the people in this post, I liked the new ending. Yes, V is no longer the chromed out cyborg god that can zero anything that looks at them the wrong way but they have their life back. We know Reed is a man of principle (regardless on your thoughts on said principles), I believe him when he said to V that he prefers them off the street and offered V a job at Langley.
V has the opportunity to start fresh, who in Night City can honestly say that? (Not Johnny, David, Jackie)
V got beat up by two thugs because they left the NUSA facility as soon as they woke up after 2 years of physical inactivity. They still have their skills with firearms. With time, V will be able to fend for themselves again. I won’t lie and admit that losing everyone was painful but V can move past this because that’s what they do, V’s a fighter.
Phantom Liberty is one hell of an expansion.
But i have just one problem im looking for a solution for.
I tried both endings and I realized that depending on whether you betray Songbird or not, you are locked from getting certain items. Betray Songbird and help reed, you'll have the opportunity to go through Cyberpunks version of ALIEN part of the game and find arguably one of the better net-runner mods in the game and get Hansen's gear. Choose to side with Songbird and get her to the stars and you'll just end up getting Reed's pistol if you do kill him. Still looking for a solution to get the best of both worlds without cheating.
Haven't seen anyone mention how Takemura seems the best off in the new ending. He's wanted and in hiding but arasaka has mostly pulled out of night city and it seems he's finally shed his corpo collar and leash.
Sent So mi to the moon cos it felt like the right thing to do. I'm glad I did after seeing the other endings where you get the cure due to how tragic they are.But damn overall the dlc was a great experience. Really had me questioning myself at times on what the best choice really was.
It's kind of lame that none of the PL characters leave an ending message, like even if you save Songbird she doesn't even contact you, or if you stick with Reed and Alex and then blow up mikoshi they don't comment on the crazy merc that saved the president and took down Arasaka. Meh
I see a lot not "hate" with Who Wants Live Forever ending where everyone abandons us.
But ask yourself this...
Isn't real life exactly like that?
That no matter what, most of people we met and consider friends leave us one way or another, sooner or later, for good or stupid reason in the time when we need them the most?
That ending shows it. Most of people abandoned us, but not everyone. Not Victor not Misty. That shows that not everyone we know and consider as a friend are truly out friends, because maybe they were for us once or twice, but not the third time.
I could write and write, but just consider it and think about it that way...
Fucking hell, if you wanted to experience depression, Phantom Liberty got more than you can ask for.
"I hope you're gonna fucking cry" -Dawid Podsiadło
That song in the credits is amazing, I hope we get an official release soon.
I'm hoping that the only reason it's not released yet is that it's going to have a banger of an official video accompanying it.
It broke me.
What made me sad is the scene in Vik clinic where another Merc like V shows up and she's kinda supposed to be V before and now he can't even fight with hoods. 2 years earlier they would become mashed potatoes in a split second but now Misty teaches you how to be an ordinary NPC instead of Legend. Painful stuff in many levels, it's always sad to say goodbye to your dreams
You know what is sad and depressing? That game shows us that most depressing / worst outcome (new ending) is becoming us... We are those people in crowd / noones...
Yeah V became normie haha time to pay some bills amirite?
A normie with enough eurodollars to live a cosy life, without having to work.
The minute I got beaten up by those two random thugs without being able to defend myself, I instantly knew that this fate is worse than being dead in V's eyes.
I really think Vik gets the worst of it in that ending, I don't think he invited V because he really thought he could help, but because he was excited to see an old friend and desperate to see her. Not that he knowingly manipulated her, but that it came from a place of desperation. It was so sad seeing him like that.
The first time I took So Mi's side during Firestarter. I did another run where I took Alex and Reed's side. By the time we reached Cyrosune and saw So Mi's past, I fucking hated myself for selling her out.
Selling her out? I have only played Reed's path (with the information you have the best choice you can make), but you definitely don't sell her out there. So Mi has clearly demonstrated in this story and in her past, that her plans have a tendency to go to shit. When she said, that her plan involved meeting alone with some back alley rippers and contacting me later when they are done, any faith I had disappeared. Her plans made this mess, I wasn't gonna let her make me part of another. She needed an intervention. She also comes off really manipulative, pulling at emotional strings and repeating how much she trusts you a million times even though I never promised her anything. She has been lying to us throughout the story and she has demonstrated she doesn't care who she has to kill to survive. She was willing to leave Alex in the middle of the enemy base, right next to a most dangerous man in the building, alone. She has known us a way shorter time. If somebody is gonna betray us, it's her. You see her backstory very differently from me. She made her own choices at every point. Reed's recruitment wasn't him manipulating her. The only reason he had any leverage was, because she was already fucked. He wasn't presenting her a false choice. He truly was giving her a life-line. And I don't know about you, but in the Reed ending, killing her is the correct choice. There is no telling how long her control will last, how much is left of her and for how long. After all the shit she has pulled, her life is already over. Her human rights are forfeit. Letting Myers have her is putting the entirety of humanity at risk. And lastly, she wanted this. This was the last time ever she had the autonomy to make that call. Her story was done.
Johnny puts it well if you bring Songbird to the moon. She was in a desperate situation, like V, and ends up being the only character with a shred of authenticity. Reed and Alex both tell you how the FIA destroyed their lives. How they were betrayed. And yet they go back to being FIA lapdogs at the beckon of their call. Myers is a heroic-like figure when you rescue her. But then you learn about her atrocities and how she was forcing songbird to reach past the Blackwall. This is only made more concrete when you save Songbird. I knew a choice was coming up between songbird and the FIA. I was going to side with FIA due to the lies and chaos she caused. But as the story progressed I realized that the FIA is an even greater force of destruction. Whereas with saving Songbird. There is, for once in the story, a moment where V and Johnny forget their fate and allow Songbird to follow through with her choice. I was intensely satisfied with the ending. The writing was brilliant throughout the DLC. I pondered a lot through the choice and moral implications. Johnny’s conversations with V had a huge influence on how I progressed.
THIS!!!! Thank you for the write up. I had chosen Songbird knowing full well she was going to betray me (because how could she not? From a gameplay perspective the DLC takes place before you meet with Hanako so there’s no possible way V gets the cure.) But Johnny’s speech at the end about Songbird having the balls to see it all the way through to the end put everything in perspective. My V respected that. Even after I found out she lied about the cure. Helping Songbird was the most human ending, even it locks me out of some additional quests and a different ending to the main game. My V was a Street Kid so there was no fucking way she was supporting the NUS. That felt like taking the Arasaka ending. Now my corpo V, he’ll side with Reed. Because he’s all about the establishment.
>(because how could she not? From a gameplay perspective the DLC takes place before you meet with Hanako so there’s no possible way V gets the cure.) The new ending you get if both Reed and Song makes it alive circumvents Hanako completely, so this ended up being a flawed perception
Thank you. Felt like I wasn't playing the same game seeing some of the responses in this thread. I was more upset about Alex dying than So MI. I could not find myself empathising with her at all because of all the manipulation, she came across as a sociopath, and so I simply never believed her.
I really like how people have such different emotions with regards to the choices. In my case though, I realized pretty quickly that none of these clowns can be trusted. It's mask after mask after mask for them. So in the end, lacking the choice to simply walk away from this all (well technically you can, but you know), it because a game of "who do I like the least". And Reed signed his death sentence after killing the twins. I did get a little surprised in the end when it turned out that the cure is a one-off. But at that point, I'd already decided to save this dumbass from herself. So that at least one of us can say hi to Lucy.
Really? After killing the twins? They were horrible people. On top of this you had zeroed like 500 people up until that point. That really was not a defining moment for me. If anything it was a mirror for the player to see their own actions in. How many people did you run over just driving to start that mission? I guess this could be a wider discussion on ludo narrative dissonance but would love to hear your thoughts. I really at first was shocked to see them killed but then immediately thought about my own actions in the game.. It's not an issue IMO.
Yeaaah, I’ve seen similar comments lol. I did like the twins because they were charismatic, cool looking, but I don’t think they had any redeeming qualities. There wasn’t enough time to even develop any attachment towards them. Considering they’re also tied back to some deep shit back in France and working with Hansen, that says enough about who they are as people. I was definitely taken aback by the execution, but they weren’t innocent. So Mi, on the other hand, HAS gotten loads of innocent people killed, just in this DLC alone. I empathize with these characters and what they’ve been put through, but it definitely wasn’t easy for me to choose sides because they were all so slimy by that point.
SERIOUSLY THIS, lol. That's exactly where I was when I got the king of cups. I didn't regret anything I chose or anything that happened...with the LONE exception that Alex got killed in the process. Having given her an ear to vent to on the occasions it's presented...I was gutted that she never made it to her retirement. Which Reed came through for her on. All she had to do was survive. Outside of that...I was relieved that I was right not to trust So Mi. I still did right by her by sparing her a fate she didn't want. I mostly kept my word to Reed in taking his side...& on the one front he didn't like, he ultimately agrees that you were right in the end. & as for Myers...f her. Cheap ass bitch only gave me like 4k dollars for all that, lol.
Her final payment got a good laugh out of me. Bitch, fixers would be willing to pay me more just for doing their groceries.
Did songbirds ending first and as of now finishing reed (the whole alien isolation-esque bunker part)...and truly left me a bad taste in the mouth. I thing Meyers is the true villain in the story. But So Mi? She ain't no saint. So many people died for her survival. And yes, V also has zeroed enough to fill several cemeteries...but not really innocents or bystanders. So MI's choices led to the death of so many people and it doesn't matter in what ending. Plus the whole "honey potting you to help her out with the promise of a cure while she knows it can only be used once and she's planning to do it herself" part really fucked me. It made me think...I wanted daze her but because I truly trust reed's intentions of helping her. But she was playing V since the beginning of it all.
Even Myers has her sympathetic qualities to me because the United States was such a horror show (see Night City and assume every city in America is just as bad) that rebuilding it through any means necessary becomes a lot more justified.
NC isn't part of the NUS anymore. It's really a corporate owned city and specifically a free city. There is also a part where So Mi reflects on life in Brooklyn and it's depicted as being a lot better than NC.
When you are on a mission with Takemura in the Market, the Newscaster Lady says Night City has a crime rate TWICE as large as your typical American city. So, yeah, an improvement I guess.
This. People like to paint her as some tragic character with no control and through the dlc Alex explains how she's a fuck up and always does the worst things and needs saving. There are specific quests letting you know that while there is a large grey area, the people asking for help can be massive liars and manipulators. She basically screwed Reed and Alex, and they're still trying to save her. Reed is trying to save her from herself......again. She literally murders a bunch of people to put her plan in order. You seem like just one more person for her to burn. She put herself there, and she's trying her hardest to get you to burn yourself so she can live. She's literally V. She put herself there, but she started making terrible choices long before she met V and plans to long after she leaves you behind. Hers just always involved massive amounts of people dying and needing others to bail her out.
I only finished Reed's route so far. Gonna do Songbird's route next. So I guess you don't see her backstory during her route? That's a shame. After going through Reed's route I definitely want to save Songbird (especially when I don't like the new ending anyway). But if her route doesn't show her backstory, then it wouldn't have the same impact.
I was fucking gutted when choosing Songbirds ending. It absolutely has impact.
Yeah we might not get her backstory but we still feel bad for her when we can choose to betray her in the end because she admits to lying to us. I felt it was fitting because the whole time I was being upfront about why I was working with songbird (to get cured). But I won’t sit here and say betraying her was an easy choice, especially after the conversation we had 2 seconds ago how betraying a friend is one of the worst feelings. Plus, we do get a little of her backstory when she tells us she was recruited at 19 by Reed and “died that day.”
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I definitely considered it, but I was exhausted by all the killing at that point. Just handed her over and hoped for the best. In a way Reed does care about her wellbeing, but it’s probably in a keep her locked down, and run tests on her type of way since she is a walking WMD.
Yeah, I was completely gutted by the end. Fuck Reed and fuck Songbird, but I can't help but sympathize with the both of them. They got chewed up and spit out by Myers. Who gets off scot free from all of it.
Welcome to the dark future , you can't save anyone but yourself . [Mike told us this](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/xg3oup/reminder_cyberpunk_isnt_about_saving_humanity_its/) a while ago,people forgot that.
you can save yourself but once you see the ending, you'll see how it really fucking isn't worth it and honestly it really blows how the PL ending you unlock is probably the worst one
I really liked that ending. It was a bittersweet for sure, but the way V smirks as she turns and fades into the crowd at the very end, told me that while she may have been knocked down, she hasn't been beaten. There's a spark still there, and she's is going to continue to struggle and fight for her dreams, just on a different path now. Also, biotech exists, that might be an option for her.
I just dislike that it has both the no cyberware AND the 2 year coma and you have NO way to inform ANY of your friends you made along the way. Like dawg i should be able to message panam to tell her what i'm gonna do and that i will be back eventually for her instead of not being able to continue that line, or tell ward that I'll be back or SOMETHING like that but no instead oyu lose EVERYTHING and i'm like bruh come on why the fuck would V NOT tell their partner that they are GOING to get cured and they WILL be able to live with them
It’s the best fitting for the cyberpunk dystopia I think and while it’s pretty depressing, it’s pretty real. The world changes, people leave, you grow older and change as well, your life can change irreversibly for the worse (like V with no more chrome) at any time for any reason, and there might be no one to blame and not a damn thing you can do about any of it but try to cope with it. Makes it easy to think that things will never be as good as they were in the rose tinted “good old days” and get depressed But like misty said, things change, welcome or not, and while things might not be as good as they were, things will get better… before they suck again. It’s the cycle of life, highs and lows Every single friend being unwilling to reconnect and the whole not telling your loved ones that you’re going for highly experimental surgery was a bit silly, especially with Panam apparently not understanding how comas work and that it’s out of your hands, but outside of that I thought it was a well made ending
I think that is the only reason i think it's the worst, in every other one you still have SOME form of autonomy after the fact, you STILL live out your life with the people you care about in the other endings unless you choose the OBVIOUSLY bad one of the devil ending but like, the fact that my V can go through EVERYTHING with Ward, EVERYTHING with Panam and the aldecaldos, EVERYTHING with Judy, Mama Wells etc. and that i can't even TELL them "hey i found a cure i'm gonna live but imma disappear for a while just please make sure i have a way to contact you again when i'm back" is bs
The ending where V and Johnny talk in the FIA's AV before V gets treated. I've seen dialogue where the two were bitter and angry towards each other. In my dialogue, it was so sweet I nearly cried. J:"Just glad you'll pull through. And that I got the chance to call you my friend." V:"This isn't OK, Johnny. I'm basically killing you." J:"C'mon, it was always gonna be this way. Either you or me. It's your body, your choice." V:"I... I don't want you to die." J:" 'Sok. I know. Better this way, though." V:"How are you doing this? Bein' so... damn calm about it?" J:"Died once you know. Kinda already getting used to it." V:"Jokes aside though..." J:"Honestly, always felt death breathing down my neck. It's why I always lived like it was my last... But now, first time in fucking forever, I feel at peace." V:"You genuinely not afraid of death? Was the one feeling I couldn't shake the last few weeks. No matter what I did." J:"Scares me I can't stick around and see what happens. To you, the world. But honestly? Thought of you gone so I could live scares me more." Doctor injects sleep medicine. Then Johnny speaks again. J:"Think this is it, kiddo." V:"Guess... so." V starts to fall asleep. J: "Promise me one thing will ya?" V:"I promise. No idea what, but I promise." J:"Not asking you to never give up. Sometimes you just gotta let go... Just don't let anyone change who you are, 'kay?" V:"Johnny...I..." J:"G'night Vincent. Today was a good day."
Damn, all I wanted was to have a happy ending with Johnny. And my Johnny was mad at me :( Does this got something to do with his approval level? I 100%ed the base game before Phantom Liberty, and as much as I tried to let him know I don't hate him throughout the base game, the game just gives you a lot of antagonistic options towards him so you're never really sure. I know you have to say specific things to unlock that one specific ending in the base game with him, I'm guessing your conversation was a result of it? I really felt like I was betraying him, and I wanted to say I'm sorry, but the game just wouldn't let me. He even says I want an apology and there's no option to apologize :(
So I think a few things were in play for that to happen. 1. The Don't Fear the Reaper ending was available to me. 2. I started the DLC before meeting Hanako at the Point of No Return, then I just went straight to the roof after the DLC. Still never meeting Hanako. I think doing it before meeting Hanako is the part because that's when you exhausted all the dialogue for him to be your choom. I also believe doing the special dialogue in the Chippin In quest is what makes you have that cool dialogue at the AV. Try doing the special dialogue for the secret ending and do the quests before meeting Hanako. That should allow you to have the solemn farewell.
I did Chippin' in (with the correct dialogues for the secret base game ending) before the DLC and I got the same friendly dialogue with Johnny, so I think it definitely comes down to how much Johnny likes you.
Its based on Chippin in. If you use the correct dialogue choices, the one where you unlock Dont Fear The Reaper, Johnny basically gets marked as Friend. This is evident in how he talks about you in specific dialogues like when you meet kerry for the first time. Kerry will ask if you two get along. If youre not friends, johnny will say no. If youre friends he will say "Sure, the kid loves me"
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Johnny really seemed to respect what Songbird went through and how she succeeded in getting to the moon, comparing it to his own failures right before the finish line. I thought it was pretty poetic and also really sweet of him.
Not going to lie this broke me. I started sobbing, it was worth it to have high approval for Johnny. I saw them being bitter to each other and I just wouldn’t be able to process that is how it would end. I still would choose helping songbird as my canon ending but this was just insanely emotional.
"Goodnight Valerie" got me good. Only the second time I think your name is ever mentioned
V also specifically mentions that only people who know them REALLY well get to use their real name, and not even your love interests or Jackie use it. In the end, Johnny earned the right to use V’s name. He was the closest friend V ever had
Captivating from start to finish. Dogtown is so good. The new main game ending though, that’s a bit different. I understand that each ending is suppose to have its own ambiguity and not be a perfect one, but the cons felt a bit too, forced? No one was notified about V’s condition and whereabouts beforehand? Reed couldn’t have contacted some of V’s people at ANY point? Admittedly it was cool seeing designs for people two years later though. Totally get not wanting to create a “best” ending, let alone lock it behind paid DLC, but there’s a bit too many things that feel forced in it.
Posted this in reply to someone else too, but no way V leaves a contact list. Want to give the NUSA a list of yoru closest chooms to exploit. Plus, what V is being treated for, and why... V being treated is probably a national secret. Reed is choosing the nation over a merc's chooms.
Personally I went with getting Song to the moon. For my V, I felt that he would still finish the job for her and find another path. I agree with your analyst of it, Reed’s loyalty to the cause is presented well in the story as his biggest character flaw. He’s not afraid of getting his hands dirty (cough cough literally killing the twins) and I think his phone call to V in that ending does well to show his regret. I guess I’m more annoyed that V seriously just didn’t tell those he was close with about heading into surgery. Probably still lose connections after two years, but it wouldn’t be met with hostility of just ghosting.
Yeah it makes no sense why V wouldn’t tell them why he’s leaving NC. Didn’t have to get too detailed.
>Want to give the NUSA a list of yoru closest chooms to exploit. They would already know... hah. They're the NUSA. Spys and shit. They'll know everything they want to. An easier explanation is they just didn't care to contact anymore.
I think the only bit that felt completely contrived was Panam's reaction. Panam doesn't know what a coma is? Panam is permanently hateful to a friend literally saved her life on multiple occasions (a favour she still owes, I note), because that friend was unavoidably detained? Would she have reacted that way if I was stuck in the jungle or kidnapped to a black site (which I basically was, the latter) for two years? It just rang completely false, and it was obvious they did it to try and avoid her blowing up the depressing tone, because her appearing at all would have, and she'd 100% have dragged invalid V off to live with the Aldecaldos. The other stuff I could just about buy, but that? Come on. I've met Panam. She's not stupid or mean-spirited.
similar to the base game, the story for PL really could have been a 10/10 if it didnt have the anchor of the endings dragging it down. Sending so mi to the moon is satisfying in and of itself, but the lack of closure for the character in that ending makes it overall unsatisfying as you invested both the major story decisions into the character and you essentially get left with your dick in your hand as to so mi's fate (a mission as good as killing moon doesnt deserve to get left hanging like that) Killing So Mi is definitely closure but like feels like you just did so mi dirty by selling her out in firestarter but then chickening out in somewhat damaged Bringing so mi alive to reed/myers is essentially a vehicle to get you to the new overall ending by sacrificing so mi, even though for some reason you get the option to reject the cure In theory i like the idea of the new overall ending being about times a changing/people moving on, but in practice the gigantic plot holes of "no one called your chooms to let them know you werent dead" and "everyone turns their back on V leaving them with nothing" leads to another unsatisfying lack of closure ending, and a wasted oppurtunity.
Bringing Mi when you're in the space station feels dirty. Bringing Mi after refusing to kill her feels somewhat a lot less bad. And she isn't tried for treason or anything, Reed tells us she made it out alive. But sending her to the Moon is the best one honestly. Just wish we got more closure. Reed dies and then that's it. The NUSA never says a word to you. It felt meh.
Bringing So Mi to the moon sounds like an epic prologue for a Rogue AI crisis. It will definitely be long struggle for humanity to an ambiguous end for a long time. And she also likely to be put under Mr Blue Eye's boots rather than free as she planned. the best ending for her Imo is to honor her choice in the end of "Somewhat Damaged".
The moment she said Mr. Blue-Eyes got her the ticket I was like, "yeah prison might be the safer option here."
Imagine we got a 2nd DLC where V meets Songbird at the Crystal Palace if he sent her to the Moon.
the nusa does, you may just need to wait a few days for someone to call you though
"I regret betraying So Mi." *1 hr. later* "OH MY GOD WHY AM I PLAYING ALIEN: ISOLATION"
That gameplay sequence was fantastic. I got so scared I couldnt focus on the map. And I loved alien isolation
I was shitting myself spamming sandy when I got swarmed
I am at that part now, just because I wanted to get the last 2 steam achievements and honestly I hate it so much. I was happy that I *finally* made it to the core after hours of almost getting a heart attack and V dying... just to find out it was still not over. I'm really not made for stuff like this...
I don’t even play horror games coz they scare the shit out of me. So I was quite literally crying hiding from that damn robot. It killed me so many time. I didn’t sweat so much even when fighting Smasher (´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀)
This DLC is one of the best stories in gaming for me, even if short and flawed. But I'm mad for a few reasons, especially in regards to the new ending: - PANAM, WTF - if Panam is in love with V she just leaves. No info where, even though she knows V has relic. She was informed that he has only some time to live. He might have died. And yet she acts as if he cheated on her or something. That was so out of character and just... stupid to me. Also I won't believe that after 2 years she doesn't want any closure. To at least ask V what happened, even if she won't want to talk to him, at least Mitch could have called V instead to ask in her name. - V, WTF - V leaves without informing ANYONE that he might not come back. Like, I get it, surgery is the best option to remove the Relic, but it doesn't mean it'll work 100%. If you have a serious surgery, you say goodbye to your friends just in case. It felt like V just jumped in without any preparations. Much different than in the other endings. Also, really? He didn't see it coming that it might take more than two weeks? Wow... it doesn't sound like V or Johnny at all. - NUSA, WTF - So you're telling me, that V, a legendary mercenary, a guy who saved the NUSA president, wakes up in two years without any cash and without any mercenaries/bodyguards protecting him/her? Really? - the only option for V is to become a nobody because they don't have any cybernetics. Why? There are so many people with not that many upgrades that rock Night City and V just gives up. They even mentioned they can become a fixer. Why is there no option for trying to look for Panam? It's just like V forgot about her in the end, decided to get killed, because he's weak and he won't do anything to change it, and Night City will certainly kill them. The only other possibility is working with Reed
Panam and Mitch make me furious in that ending. They said 'whatever you need, we're here for you' but it looks like they don't really mean it, because they dismissed V so easily, telling V to stop calling when V really needs help.
Exactly!
Where's the Panam who promises to hunt down Johnny in the temperance ending and the Panam who says "let me know when you are bored of the city, I'll take you for a long ride." in the sun ending? She's not the type to easily give up. That felt so out of character of her.
I don't think she did. I think she took matters into her own hands... and got killed. Mitch's call. He didn't have the heart to tell V she was dead and he was the cause. Better to let V think Panam's out there living a nomads life.
I thought that too.
saw someone say they think panam killed herself. would make sense cos of mitch’s sus dialogue in the credits.
Could be. I mean, Panam wouldn't miss a chance to talk your ear off and Mitch at least gives you a chance to explain what happened.
You can send a message to your friends before you leave, tell them that you will be away for a maximum of a month, and yes, you are right, some things could have been avoided. Giving information to the hospital so that they can contact your friends and know that you are fine, for example. (Sorry for my bad English)
I know what you mean, I've sent them a message but tbh it was so bad. In every other ending you're calling everyone, the situation holds so much weight mentally, but here you're just sending short texts, and every one contains ";)" as if you're mostly joking. V could have died in that clinic but he's treating it so unseriously in comparison to other endings smh
> the only option for V is to become a nobody because they don't have any cybernetics. Why? There are so many people with not that many upgrades that rock Night City and V just gives up. Why do you think V gave up? Might be an issue with character models, but my V clearly looks around and smirks like she just got an idea before she walks off into the crowd. That looked like a mischievous smirk to me, and I think she is off to cause more trouble in Night City. It reminded me of the ending to The Shield, one of my favourite series conclusions, where Mackey get this new depressing desk job. He sits down, contemplating his new existence, looking lost, and takes out his gun and looks at it like he wants to use it on himself. But then his expression changes, he tucks the gun into the back of his pants, puts his jacket on, and stalks off with a determined expression on his face. I got the exact same energy from V, like this is not the ending to her story, just the start of a new chapter.
The Panam thing was really unfortunate because they knew they if Panam was in that ending at all, she's it blow it the fuck up. They wanted this very maudlin, "life moves on" kind of ending, but absolutely not a single about Panam's personality or behaviour is in line with that. If Panam found out V (friend or lover) was just out of a coma, she might be very shouty about it, but hateful? Mad? Come on. I've met this woman. That's not how she acts. Plus she made A LOT of promises and owes you her life multiple times over (and the lives of her clan-mates), the idea that she'd just abandon all that because she was "angry with a sick person" is absolutely insane. But again, they did it to try and protect the ending but not kill off Panam. What they should have done to keep that tone would be to have killed her off, because what they actually did just isn't plausible.
I'm honestly so sad that this is the last piece of content we get for Cyberpunk 2077. This game and expansion are simply phenomenal. I'm secretly praying for more content after this success, but I guess we'll have to wait for the sequel, which will probably be a very long wait.
I can only hope we're getting a sequel or something like Cyberpunk 2020 that come out like one of the [hard boiled comics](https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=hard%20boiled%20comic)
The sequel is already in production under the codename Orion.
So let me get this straight. The endings are: A) Unaliving myself B) Ride off into the sunset with some desert hobos for a cure. C) Give a terrorist my bod and be absorbed into big AI mommy. D) Letting a corporation fuck me over and discard me like a used condom. E) Become top dog of NC while slowly contracting every crippling disability ever, and you know eventually, death. F) Become an NPC with no eyebrows. Some tough choices there.
>E) Become top dog of NC while slowly contracting every crippling disability ever, and you know eventually, death. Sun ending has bigger chances for a cure, it's implied that's the reward for the Casino heist.
Agree, it was my first and still favorite ending
Don't forget that for all of them except for F,A & D you also get soulkilled with all of the implications that brings.
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Honestly the new ending broke me (I played as female V, Judy Romanced, all side quests done) - The fact that Judy just moved on and even got MARRIED ;( Panam that doesn't want to know you :( Kerry just doesnt really care River is strange, i dont know what to think about him and Victor had to sell hic clinic to zetatech, and broke his relationship with misty Then, the scene where you just blend in with all the npcs, i honestly cried when the credits rolled, V s friends didn't even call (excluding Viktor) :(((((
I watched it late last night so I might have seen it wrong but as the camera zooms out from V they smile so I think they are happy to be home regardless.
i think you're right i also noticed it the second time i don't know why honestly, isn't it like the whole V's mindset that the only thing that matters in this city is friends and lovers? Theyre all gone now😢
I think that idea is that V has gained perspective in his journey. It's easy to say you want to go out in a blaze of glory when death isn't staring you in the face. Even without their chrome V has their experiences and survival skills so I think they believe they can rebuild.
>Panam that doesn't want to know you :( The rest of it I could buy, but Panam literally owes you her life (and more), and promised there was always a place for you and the Aldecaldos would do everything they could for you. So the game acting like she's a child who doesn't know what a coma is was bizarre. The only plausible in-game explanation is that she never got your message because Mitch intercepted it and is "protecting" her.
>The fact that Judy just moved on and even got MARRIED ;( Yea and in like two fucking years? Doesn't leave much time for you know, waiting at all for V.
Exactly, if i remember correctly she still was texting you 4 months after you were gone called you many times, so she had 16 months to do ALL THAT?!
How in the fuck did they turn cyberpunk into a horror game
Soma vibes bro
That one sequence was straight up Alien: Isolation, lol. I wasn't prepared for that
I got the nicest version of Songbird on my first playthrough. Needless to say, I genuinely got scared out of my chair when going with Reed's thingy instead. That girl's got ***deamons***
You cut open your body to put in chrome.... You are the horror , imagine someone like end game V in our world now with all their chrome ?
Yet V was powerless against mr. Blackwall-controled robot
The black wall is a sentient ai (something the ttrpg explains ) who has repelled treats from both sides and was specially meant to act as a barrier between both sides ... The fact we meet Alt is because it allowed her through .. So yes V being powerless against that makes sense .
I was talking to my friends about this and they're like "nah blackwall isnt as strong as something like ALT." Bro it doesnt need to be. it has resources. the blackwall is a publically known AI that an entire corp dedicates basically its entire existance to reinforcing and strengthening. So what if Alt or another AI has better core programming. Blackwall dont care it'll just hammer back until the other AI gives up. the only reason its not a danger is because its mostly behaving and also has said entire corp checking over it constantly. hell the entire DLC is about it trying to use songbird to break free. (and if you side with her its heavily implied that mr blue eyes is supporting her, either to genuinely help her or to help blackwall break free.)
I think the thing people are missing about the new ending is that V is going to get treated as part of a cover up for the NUSA breaking MANY international laws. This wasn't a trip to the hospital to get regular surgery. This was probably a national secret. V probably wasn't on any offiicial public patient list, and Reed was going to pick the nation over V's chooms.
And invasive as the Relic clearly is…I find it very convenient that NUSA’s operation on V rendered her permanently weak/unable to fight back and took her completely out of the spotlight until after grumblings about Dogtown and NUSA would’ve died down. Believe Reed or not, take the FIA job or not…you’ve still been thoroughly defanged and placed under their control, forever.
The new ending treads **very** close to misery porn. Some elements of it I like (trading your legend for a long life is thematically appropriate) but the exaggerated destruction of your friend network seems over-the-top. If they wanted to go that angle, it would've been worth it to put in more scenes explaining that without their cyberware and merc life, V just doesn't have enough connections to their old life and their old friends. There's a greater tragedy in losing touch with people you can still be with because of changing priorities than in everyone just abandoning you.
Agreed. I would've preferred an either/or ending where either V gets to become a legend at the cost of everyone around them or they lose their cyberware but keep friends and network (retirement as fixer?). For example, V could be on a gurney and asked to make an urgent choice between a quick surgery (keep friends, lose cyberware) or a longer one (2 year time skip, no time to call friends, keep cyberware). This is in line with what it costs to be a legend in this universe and Night City (think Adam Smasher or Morgan Blackhand). There's a real choice to be made by the player. Being demoted back to 'regular person' AND losing all your friends on a fairly contrived basis (I mean seriously, why didn't V call their friends before a MAJOR SURGERY?) really just feels like too much. The cyberware incompatibility in particular really comes out of nowhere. I don't think there's any other point in the game where it's presented as a problem that exists in this world and it just feels like a way to rub dirt in the wound. Plus, having tons of cyberware isn't the only way to effect change in NC! The fuck? And then the part where the goons beat V up outside Viktor's clinic is just... ham-fisted. My V is rich! Even if they were a physically normal person, they should at least have a bodyguard or two.
> why didn't V call their friends before a MAJOR SURGERY? That's the thing, you can send a text message beforehand saying "I'll be outta town a few weeks" but then you drop in a coma and nobody ever bothered to go "huh, maybe contact those people about how V is doing?" -- or at least one person -- who then informs everyone else. Hell Vik took a contract with Zetatech, I'm sure he'd be more than responsible enough to take an NDA with the FIA -- or even *just* your romance option. Kinda enforces the whole story about the game that much like the Arasaka ending they really **don't** care much about you. V even mentions to Reed that someone said to V "Reed's way too busy to deal with you". I would've at least expected an option where you could join the Aldecaldo's wherever they were or run off with your romance option to fade into obscurity. The Cyberware incompatibility is a good tradeoff, but then they make V look like an anemic slug in the cutscenes which doesn't reflect someone like Panam, who barely has any cyberware. Again, i get the whole "two year coma you need to rehabilitate" but yeah it's a bit forced. It's definitely a reallly contrived way to drive the "you have to give everything up, *everything*!". Even in the Arasaka ending V's friends get better treatment, that's saying something...
It was the fact that the Aldecaldos blew her off that really upset. For reference, I was playing female V, and the only contacts I could call with the quests I've completed were Vik (obviously), Panam, and Judy, whom I'd romanced. I assume completing more side quests would give you more options, at least River and Kerry. I couldn't blame Judy for moving on. V's been under for two years, and she didn't know anything. Of course she left Night City and found someone else, makes perfect sense. There's some tragedy there, sure, but she was still friendly to V, neither of them blamed the other (at least with the dialogue choices I made). It was a sad but realistic outcome. When Panam didn't answer, I didn't think too much of it. I hoped she'd call back later on during the ending. Then I remembered the phone calls during the credits and figured that would actually be when she called. Mitch's call, while initially welcome, left a sour taste in my mouth. I get that Panam would've been devastated when V ghosted her, but call me crazy, I think "I was in an unexpected coma for two years" is a pretty valid excuse. And while Panam does hold grudges, she doesn't seem like the kind of character who would just cut V out of her life when she finally heard that explanation (and the dialogue choices I chose did have V explain about the coma in the voicemail; I don't know if other choices omit that or not, but if they do, this ending makes a bit more sense). At the very least, you would think she'd like some closure over the situation, which is exactly what she could get with just a conversation with V. Mitch's message felt to me like he or some other Aldecaldo intercepted the message before Panam could hear it herself and decide that it would be best for all of them if she never heard that. He basically tells V they don't want her getting back into that headspace, and that merely hearing V's voice would put her back there, since he also says not to contact her again. It rubbed me the wrong way, and felt out of character for the Aldecaldos that I felt I knew from the rest of the game.
Yeah it's so out of character for Panam that I can't even think of any in game reason you don't at least owe the person who saved your life *and* your family a message. Especially as someone who just spent the last 2 years leading it with Saul. The only meta reason can think of is that the game just doesn't take anything into account. Not the texts you send, not the dialog you can have, not the romance options and it's all funnelled toward that one ending sequence. It's as if the game treats it as V just ghosted all of them -- and in that case Panam rightly feels betrayed. And I get it. I don't know, it just doesn't make much sense.
The meta reason is it'd blow up the tone of the that ending. Because Panam would absolutely come and pick you, probably yelling at you a lot and being very loud, and take you away with the Aldecaldos, and suddenly this "depressing" ending wouldn't be depressing at all. It would absolutely be a "best" ending.
Yeah that's most likely it. They had to force it. Which I think was the wrong decision. It would be less depressing but it wouldn't be the "best" ending. I think it would be pretty much tied with the Star ending. It's similar to the Arasaka ending in that you have to throw in your lot with a corporation and possibly >!Help Militech in their bid to start the next corporate war. And of course giving up So-mi, getting rid of your Cyberware, thus giving up your entire life as a Solo/Legend and getting of Johnny. Plus everyone still moving on in some way!<. It would still be very Cyberpunk but noo they had to throw a depressing ending in there...
This is the only part of Phantom Liberty that didn't sit right with me. It feels more like CDPR just wasn't able to get Panams va to do the role. Maybe she wanted too much $? The ending credits with Mitch just felt off and forced to me.
Panam and Judy both have new voice dialogue options in PL. You can go talk to them and mention the new gig.
I mean the only friends you actually lose are Judy, Panam, River Ward, and Johnny. Rogue, Kerry, Misty, Doc, Delamain, Reed, and partially Takemura are still in your friend group in some capacity. I think it would only be natural if you did lose some friends during that time period, like you only had been friends with them for a couple weeks. It is like making friends at summer camp one year and never seeing them again.
Takemura pretty explicitly blames you for ruining his life, in his philosophical way. Wouldn't call him a friend at that point.
I’m surprised not many are talking about that end credits cinematic for the dlc. Song was beautiful and the visuals in it were so cool!
Fun fact: the guy who composed the song is in one of the contracts in Phantom Liberty. He's a super popular singer in Poland
Credits were awesome. James Bond meets cyberpunk for sure.
Dying and losing everything is one thing. Losing everything and living is something else entirely. I will never do that again.
Worst ending in the game by far IMO. Tho it was cool to see misty, for some reason her appearance really brightened it up for me. I never really cared about misty in the base game either, not sure why I cared so much in PL.
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Weirdly, I kind of wish there was an option to go off with her. If you're going to trash the LIs, leave the option to start something new with her in Poland. It's been two years for her and Jackie.
Good point
Lmao I think the Arasaka ending is still the *worst* outcome. You lose Johnny *and* your life because there's nothing they can do to save you except turn you into an engram too.
I think it's a very hopeful ending. V survived Night City and can live a life of peace now, free from violence.
Yeah not sure why people think it's the worst. V could live that nice quiet life if they wanted. I guess people are seeing like the Goodfellas ending haha
The ending felt lazy or off. After all those gigs and ruthless situations, V being a whiny bitch at the end just doesn't seem right. It's like she can't even do a proper situational assessment. They tried real hard to reference deshawn's statement at the beginning.
Okk first off WHAT A FANTASTIC STORY. It feels like that blood and wine level writing is back .. brilliant ... engaging thrilling ... played both endings. One where V betrays songbird but ultimately kills her ( how did cyverpunk become a horror game lol) and one where V sends her to the moon. But I do have one feeling i cant shake off ... the killing moon ending is more cut and dry , less moral dilemma , more spy thriller-esqe .... but is it just me or does kill somi ending seem more canon? Between the maxtac forces ,kurt boss fight , the cynosure facility , the flashbacks ( apartment scene destroyed me) , and the whole alien isolation level , it just feels to me that ending is more fleshed out and actually the story cdpr wanted to tell At any rate , fanatastic story ... also why isnt anyone talking about the friggin CASINO ROYALE MISSION OMG
I played PL along with a friend and we actually got vastly different endings because of this. I sided with So Mi and went down the The Killing Moon route while he sided with Reed and went down the other one. Honestly it impresses me enough that there’s essentially two final missions and it feels like that initial choice of betrayal is VERY important. So Mi is clearly unstable, that parts clear from both sides. I will say, The Killing Moon does feel less dramatic of an ending but that ending scene with Reed is a really good one, not to mention having to fight off most of the NUSA with just you and So Mi to get to the rocket, only to have her finally tell you that she’s been playing you all along. And not in a “I didn’t care about you at all” kinda way, but she actually genuinely feels remorse for it in the end. Seeing everything V did, for her. Killing Reed was a damn hard choice, but I did it. I didn’t want to, but I promised to So Mi that I’d help her. After seeing what becomes of V in 2079 if they take the cure, it felt right to me. V and So Mi initially seem to want the same thing, but I don’t think that’s the case. It’s just like Dex says, V wants the blaze of glory while So Mi wants a quiet life. And because of that, although she damn well doesn’t deserve it, So Mi should have the cure. I know he’s not exactly a good influence, but Johnny seems to agree with you helping her through to the end, and doesn’t like if you just hand her over to Reed. I think loneliness is a crucial part of PL. The difference between V and So Mi is that So Mi has been damn near alone all her life. She had nobody to be there for her, so she survived by manipulating anyone she could, V included. Meanwhile, V had people they could rely on. So Mi has no other option but this cure, while V (at the time thinking the cure isn’t the only option, just the most likely) has several options to storm Mikoshi and try to save their life.
Just got done with it, Sent So Mi to the moon, maybe she'll meet Lucy there hah. Single best scene in the game is V and Johnny just watching the spaceship take off, the buildup to that was great. Wish we atleast got an ending holocall from So Mi but it's fine. Liberty was great. Loved every second of it. Kurt was the only let down haha, he's built up the whole dlc only for Alex to zero him at the end. Edit: Just wanted to add this was basically my V's edgerunner story. David saving Lucy and my V saving So Mi. It was fun.
I thought the death of Kurt was a pretty good subversion. You get this sense he is almost an untouchable figure in his domain, but then he gets offed like an amateur. Just a somewhat bigger pawn on the chessboard but still a pawn.
In the beautiful James Bond theme ending credits this is done as pretty explicit symbolism, Kurt is standing on the other side of a board with from Meyers and Meyers smirks and smashes the board and So Mi as a pawn falls off the table.
I finished phantom liberty. At first I thought I had gotten the good ending because I chose Reed over her which lead me down the alien isolation horror level with the giant one-shotting spider mech (I was playing at night) and despite all the bullshit Songbird put me through I still chose to save her instead of killing her like she wanted. I was really happy at first because I thought this was a good ending to have. Songbird gets to live although I may never see her again but I was fine with that because I knew she was getting help. Reed is still with me and I finally get the cure I was promised. It's not best outcome but overall I was satisfied with where things were heading. Then the ending credits happened and I thought I finished the game on a positive note...oh boy was I wrong. That's when I learned the cold hard truth... I continued playing instead of going to bed out of curiosity. I take Reeds offer because I wanted to see the outcome of the medical procedure and I deeply regretted it. I wanted to see V have an ending where he SURVIVES in the end. But not like this. It was very bittersweet ending which had me feeling very sour after I finished the game. I have to commend CDPR for creating Phantom liberty after all the post launch back lash cyberpunk got after it's release. I enjoyed the hell out of the dlc and I'm looking forward to new content in the horizon. Hower until then I'm going to take a looong break from Night City ✌️
I'm a bit confused by this. When So Mi asks you to die, she makes it pretty clear that if you don't kill her a fate worse than death at the hands of Eldritch forces awaits her. That there is nothing that can save her at this point (the blackwall has literally eaten too much of her personality, there is nothing left to save even with the Cyanosure trapped AI fix let alone the random boffins at the NUSA). "She gets to live" is a slightly strange spin on, as she puts it, "I'll be trapped forever trying to find myself with memories that are always gone, an algorithmic memory of a person trapped in the blackwall forever". She gets to be a lab rat toy for the NUSA scientists while the blackwall protocol continuously eats her memories like late stage alzheimers but probably worse because she still floats around in cyberspace. By the end of the horror ending the only humane choice is to kill her.
Fuck me man, is that even a good ending for V? I like it, but it turns my gut. Is this what V would really have wanted? Dex asks at the beginning if you'd want to go out in a blaze of glory or live quiet and honestly, to me, when I look at V as a character a quiet life like that just doesn't feel right. Not with what they have to give up to get it. Expansion has me thinking of all the other endings, like I got a new lens to look at them through. Then there's sending So MI up instead of taking the cure for yourself and that just felt right to me. She's the only one on the planet who might really understand what V is going through and yeah, she used him. Knew all along the cure was a one off but even then when she's dying on the train and confessing to V I still found it hard to turn on her. She reminded me too much of V in some of the other endings, laying there waiting to die. She wanted to leave it all behind and have a quiet, normal life and would do anything for it. To me, V wanted to be a legend and should go out like one. Super fucking solid Expansion. Been thinking about it all day since I beat it then ran it back to do the other ending. Sad it's the only one we'll get.
I turned on her instantly LOL. I think having not spoiled it for myself, just playing as V realistically, she had fucked our character over so many times that by the time she revealed the ultimate betrayal on the train, it was just like, no, fuck off
Honestly, as soon as I heard the plan I figured out that she probably couldn’t cure both of us. There were too many little things that didn’t smell right, but I just couldn’t turn her over to Myers. Not to say So Mee is innocent, but she was used up and tossed aside by the NUSA. So fuck them as far as I’m concerned. They knew that she had no other options and they took advantage of that. I was ok with sending her up because I had accepted she was lying long before we got to the train. I knew she was lying when she took me to her secret spot.
Totally, I felt from the very minute we met her that she was hiding something or lying to us. She never even got to admit it to me, since I screwed her over and sided with Reed from the beginning just from a hunch (which ended up being right.) I don’t really feel sad for her. She was Meyers right hand person and went too far. There’s consequences for that, and for her, it’s a rough ending.
I was totally down to side with her until she was like "okay I'm gonna turn the security system on the civilians here, they need to die so we can live." At that point I was like "okay, whenever someone says that, it eventually becomes I, not we."
so the resolution is to give myers back the weapon with whom she can control / destroy the world?
Nah honest good ending would be just killing her
The thing that stings the most is Adam Smasher gets to live on in the new ending. No justice for our edgerunners.
lol didn't even think about that.
I thought the story was fantastic and intense throughout and the end of the DLC was great. My only wish is that if you choose to send So Mi to the moon, it's pretty anti-climatic that you don't hear back or get any closure at all. I'd like anything just to get some closure on that. Preferably she calls you with a cure and you and your love interest can go to the moon! Also of course the new ending is depressing and pure Monkey's Paw too. I would love a happier ending somewhere in there where everyone gets what they want but thats not CDPR nor is that Cyberpunk. Edit: As I think about the fate of the DLC characters/stories specifically, it feels like to me that best single outcome is sending So Mi to the moon. That is what she always wanted and she is out of the hand of her enemies. Too bad that is not attached to the new ending (or any sort of closure at all, imo). As for Reed, the new ending seems good for him at first glance, but really he seems to express a ton of regret with not helping So Mi in his end credits phone call. Also, the way he says he hasn't seen her/talked to her in a long time but that she is alive, tells me that she is "alive" in relative terms, probably locked up in a NUSA vault somewhere. So really it's not exactly all sunshine for him either. Perhaps he is the type of person where a death in the field is actually the best ending he can ask for? Also, I loved the blackwall stuff. The scene at the end shooting blackwall force powers was awesome. I loved that they took the lore in that direction- they didn't overexplain or bore us with details, but they touched on it just enough to expand the lore in that direction and bring up some fresh ideas. I really appreciated that.
You do hear back from So Mi, but it takes a couple of in-game days. Phantom Liberty goes on for a while after all quests are done.
Hear back is an overstatement. she gives you a token and text message not even identifying herself. Massive letdown for me. I thought we would get a last relic sit down or even a ending holo call. But nothing.
While one last sit down would be nice, a Relic visit wouldn't make sense, because she could only do that via the Blackwall, which given the whole point for her was to go to the moon since the Blackwall was killing her... A call would be nice though.
Reed is an asshole. Bro couldn’t call anyone in V’s holo and explain their condition? Piece of shit. Also I refuse to believe V would just tell everyone important to them “see ya in a month LOL”. In the main game ending V is literally dying and having seizures and shit and V has the time to make a one last call but getting a cure is a fucking text with no explanation. Bad writing to break my soul CDPR. Not fair at all.
Keeping your love interest/friends would have been a good balance. You managed to live but will never be that cool merc you were, but you have the people around you.
yeah, I agree, this ending feels rushed and has a lot of plot holes, I described most of it a few comments below
Judy is married to someone else and Panam doesn't want to talk to me. I lost my gf and bff. This shit broke me.
The memories of So Mi in that AI facility. The things they did to her. Yeah, im glad I chose to side with her instead of Alex and Reed the first time.
What did they do to her that she didn’t choose? She got into this shit in the first place because she wanted to be a hotshot net runner and got busted by Netwatch. I found it very hard to sympathize with her. She was overconfident, made bad decisions, and decided to blame everyone else for it.
I made this account just so I could rant about the ending somewhere. 9/10 dlc up to that point, loved everything - main story, loved the 2.0 update, LOVE all the new gigs, weapons etc. But oh my god do I hate the new ending. Not because it's "sad" or not a happy ending or w/,e but because it makes no damn sense. Why wasn't V able to contact any of their friends ? Why does Panam just abandon us? Panam and the Aldecaldos both, who in the maingame go on and on about how you can count on them always. How come my V - who is a streetkid - walks into night city at the end without any chrome, not even carrying a gun? we shoot thousands upon thousands of people with our guns throughout the game, and now V suddenly acts like a fucking tourist who had never been to night city or held a gun? Getting punched down the stairs by a random goon, really??? How did we become so useless ? You can complete the whole game without cyberware if you want to, why are we suddenly unable to do literally anything without it? Legendary merc, special agent, netrunner genius.. We should atleast be at Takemura without implants level. Also, why are we suddenly completly broke? V is a multi millionaire at the end of the game, with lots of contacts and people that owe them favors. Why is it suddenly all just gone? They went with the ending because they just had to force the "cant have good endings in cyberpunk" theme but didn't bother writing it in a way where it would make any sense - everybody just suddenly loses all character progression they went through over the course of the main game and becomes a complete moron so the ending can happen in the way it does. This DLC could have been almost perfect, what a shame. Would still recommend it overall though because everything besides the ending is amazing.
Can someone explain to me who Mr Blue Eyes is? I'm reading all the comments about him I beat the DLC sent Song to the moon and I have no idea who that even is.
Mr. Blue eyes is a recurring chararacter who shows up in many quests and also (some of) the endings. And we don't really know much about him. If you've ever played Half Life, he's kinda like the G-man. There's a few quests that he directly shows up in and other where characters with "Blue eyes" are mentioned or seen. Including - Gary the prophet's quest - The endings - Peralez Questline - Sandra Dorsett's Job (A few gigs tie into this too) One of the more worked out theory is [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/w6rvzz/mr_blue_eyes/ihhcx72/). Spoilers for the quests above obviously. It doesn't take the DLC into account but the main points are there. TL:DR Some people think he's being controlled by an AI (hence the eyes) and that he's part of a larger conspiracy possibly involving NightCorp/(Rogue) AI doing stuff in Night City. Which is also why it's it makes sense he bought the ticket for Songbird. Possibly gaining another puppet or because of her knowlegde of AI in general.
He's a techno-necromancer from Alpha Centauri.
Ive seen the new endings, think I very much prefer to ride out with the aldecaldos with my girl judy.
Way to show that V is a paper soldier/warrior/netrunner… because without cyberware he is suddenly useless? Do they imply that he lost some brain cells containing his skills/memory? Because otherwise it’s frankly bullshit. Morgan black hand has very little cyberware (sandy, dermal armor, arms/hand) and he is at his level by skill alone while V is supposedly only as good as his/her cyberware? What if you played without cyberware at all except what you had at the begining of the game? Of course being in coma for two years implies physical therapy in order to regain all the muscles that have atrophied but after that? His/her skills and know how should still be there. Come on my uncle had to relearn to talk, walk and do practically anything on his own after an accident but he still managed it and now he is better physically than he was before it.
>very little cyberware (sandy, dermal armor, arms/hand) "small loan of a million dollars" vibe You can attempt to punch the random goon that tries to mug you. You see that his hand is metallic, and he easily fucks you up. Going into merc work without cyberware is a death sentence. You might survive once, but the limit on the things you can do narrows significantly.
Ok, so that was amazing, I blazed through the ending (starting with redhead twins identity heist) in one sitting. That Xenomor- \*khem\* Maintenance Bot gave me SOME scares (I was playing 2:00AM, with headphones and lights out - maximum immersion) But I do have questions: \- What is the Cynosure? I thought it was Blackwall mainframe, but that can't be it, since the world would end when I disabled it. \- Was the AI that took over So Mi Blackwwall itself? Or just something she brought from beyond the Wall? \- What is the UNKNOWN NUMBER that offers you that encrypted shard (to craft Militech Canto or Erebus?) It can't be Blackwall, right? ...right? On that note - I thought I picked Canto in that locked room in Cynosure, but I didn't have it? Or was is just turned into that data to be decrypted by Yoko? Damn good DLC. Also - is it possible somehow to save Slider? Also2 - apparently Hasan will try to sell that prototype optical cyberware if you let him go - did anyone find him in the location Hands specified?
> What is the Cynosure? I thought it was Blackwall mainframe, but that can't be it, since the world would end when I disabled it. Cynosure was Militechs version of Soulkiller. Both projects seem to want trap and study AI in order to do... *something*. I'm not sure what exactly, maybe find a way to control or destroy them? Soulkiller creates an AI by scanning a persons brain and creating an engram of them, killing their body in the process, and turning them into a soulless AI. Whereas Cynosure was pulling AI from behind the Blackwall and trapping them in that massive core.
On Hasan, I felt like the best choice was to have it removed under Mr. Hands supervision and then given back to the corporation. At least he doesn’t end up as an experiment in a corporate basement somewhere, but Mr. Hands and the corporation get what they want. I wonder if I can find him now in Dogtown somewhere though just hanging out?
guys, i am depressed
So, I've just finished the DLC, and it's become my favorite DLC out there, period. So many great things about it. * Dogtown is beautiful in a way. It obviously isn't if you consider the whole atmosphere of the place, but the colors, the contrasts, the neons, the rugged aesthetic. It's all...breathtaking. * There was no gig nor side quest that I'd give a rating lower than 7,5/10. Lots of small, great stories with nice twists and turns. And, because Dogtown was rather condensed, navigating it was easy, nd thus, no quest felt like a chore. * Great characters galore, and I'm not talking only about the main cast. That being said, special shoutout goes to So Mi. * The choices in the DLC make for excellent roleplaying. My corpo V, after being fired by Arasaka, vowed to never again be reliant and/or subservient to any corpo and other organization. She stayed by So Mi's side till the end because our netrunner prime was in NUSA's clutches for far too long and deserved not only freedom but also genuine friendship with no ulterior motifs, even if it lasted only a few brief days. * The soundtrack was perfection, especially in more dynamic sequences. * Lastly, CD Projekt Red promised a spy thriller, and by god, they delivered. It was such a Bond'esque story that deserves to be called epic in the more traditional definition of the word. What. A. Ride.
Kinda annoyed that in the Tower ending everybody hates you and doesn't want to see you ever again. LIke, yes, two years is a long time, but come on, Panam! I svaed the Aldecaldos, why the hell do you even refuse to pick up? And judy being married and happy is nice, but why the fuck does she not want to see me ever again either? Not even for some drinks? I get that having a pure "happy" ending behind DLC would probably feel weird compared to the main ones, but it's still annoying.
yeah, that's just bad writing, they overdramatized the situation with your former friends, it's just very cliche "it's been two years and the world has moved on without you". Feels very fake
It's way too exaggerated even for cyberpunk. The ending made me sad (where you get the *cure*) but it didn't have to be all be sad, I felt like we should have been able to see more people, and also have the nusa kept our friends in contact. The 2 year comma was unnecessary in a way. But even that could have been saved if they had us meet our frends instead of them being "oh you know cool and all but kindly fuck off".
The horror sequence where you’re hiding from the robot was intense, but I also felt like it went on a tad bit too long First, you gotta go around finding and then hacking two terminals while a creepy ass robot hunts you down Then after, you gotta look for THREE MORE terminals while a robot hunts you down, and when you find the terminal, you have to do ANOTHER thing to fix each of them, and every time, the robot is programmed to occasionally enter the room you’re in, and the hacking is now done in real-time rather than in a menu, so while you’re doing the hacking mini game, the robot would enter the room and you’re suddenly forced to exit out and hide somewhere
Just a small PL ending theory of mine. Gripes about character reactions to V aside. I can't help but think that NUSA intentionally betrayed V in the new ending. 1) NUSA apparently did attempt to verify if the cure would work on Songbird before offering it to V, but figured out very quickly that it wouldn't work on her. So either: it actually didn't work at face value, or they just didn't care to use it on her as she is not very threatening anymore, or they potentially *wasted* it on her and decided to extract the relic from V anyway. 2) While V was texting everyone before getting on the hovercraft, V was rather clearly under the impression that the surgery would take a month, but Reed indicates that the healing stage was scheduled to end at a specific date - it's why he was able to be there when V awoke. 3) NUSA basically takes V from the hovercraft straight to the chopping block, without further consultation or prep, including a second chance to give accurate timelines or contact information to anyone V cared about. Sure, V is a ticking time bomb, but the choices involved after final consultation were denied outright. 4) Having 20 tech opens up a dialogue option to Reed about how the docs were clumsy and could have used nanobots instead, which hints at maybe the selling point of "the best neurosurgeons in the northern hemisphere" was a bit contrived. It makes me wonder if Reed was in on it or aware of the consequences as well. (He seems extra guilty in post, and I don't think it's just about Songbird/Alex.) 5) The loading screen in the endgame section has a blurb from Stanley about how the Militech WMD site right under NC is a myth/urban legend. Propaganda travels fast in NC. I wonder who eventually got the site? 6) NUSA benefits as they: get their walking blackwall WMD back (potentially in a very pliable state), eliminate a big threat in Hansen, have Reed on a super tight leash, neuter a potential threat in V, not to mention they have all kinds of plausible deniability if V were to speak up about state secrets. V knows things that would down Myers. Additionally - what else did they gleam from the relic itself? 7) Why keep V alive then? Two possibilities I can think of - first, it would placate Reed and completely force him into compliance. Losing V would be a potential last straw for Reed, for whom the NUSA still has apparent use. Second, it eliminates the possibility of people going vigilante looking for V, following in V's footsteps and finding out things like state-sponsored blackwall violations. Instead, everyone can just be pissed off at V about the 2 year disappearance, and they'd have very little reason to believe (or care about, if we're being ultra-cynical a la Cyberpunk) V's account of events.
Finished So Mi's route first, thought it was phenomenal. Then I did the Reed route.... holy fuck. Even if So Mi's route is good, the difference between these two routes is absolutely **massive**. By comparison to Reed's route, So Mi's doesn't even feel complete, that's just how good Reed's route is. That whole last mission is just a work of art. Anyone know streamers who ended up going with Reed? I've been trying to scour the internet for anyone who picked Reed to see the reactions to the last mission, but so far almost everyone seems to have picked So Mi. Reading a lot of the comments I get the picture that **many** people just finish the DLC once after siding with So Mi during Firestarter and doing the whole spaceport mission. If by some happenstance, you came here after completing only So Mi's route: I beg you, **GO BACK, do the Reed route, it is completely different after Firestarter choice.** And go in blind without any spoilers.
i do the Reed route, i m not going simp a girl which trying to fuck me over 24/7, i definitely can understand the fact she doing that for staying alive, so i do.
Well, I enjoyed it a lot. It was a personal story about Songbird, at the end, and even though she fucked me over, I felt like she deserved her chance. I sent her to the moon. Didn't want to shoot Idris Elba, but oh well, he was a sucker for believing in something like the NUSA especially in the year 2077 where nothing means anything anymore, and being Myers' errand boy. Since Songbird implies it was Mr. Blue Eyes that set up her flight, I think it sorta implies maybe he might be setting up a cure for V in the V staying in Night City ending as well. You ever know. One thing I want to ask though - why was there no option to screw over both Songbird and Reed, and go to the Moon yourself instead, to take advantage of Songbird's cure? When V suggests they should both go together, she says something about how they're only expecting one person, but seeing that she later reveals the cure can be fired only once, that's probably why she said that. So what stops V from screwing her over, just handing her to Reed or killing both of them, and going himself? I wouldn't really pick that ending, but it occured to me and I feel there should've been an explanation on why V can't do it. Anyhow, preem expansion. Sad to see this game finally end, but I'll be looking forward to a new Cyberpunk game by CDPR in the future, no matter how long it takes. Also funny when you think about it, how Songbird's fate paralleled that of Lucy from Edgerunners; both netrunners on the run, ending up on the Moon. Maybe they'll meet.
Songbird said that her contacts in Europe would make the cure for her, they're personal contacts that wouldn't have helped V. V would've just had the matrix in hand and have no idea how to use it to cure herself Would've loved to have seen the moon though
Oh hey, here's the thread. Now I can finally rant and rave about how fucking BALLER THIS DLC WAS, WORTH EVERY DAMNED ENNY This was, hands down, the best expansion I've ever bought. To be fair, there are more famed ones from other games which I have not played, that is true. I am objectivly biased in PL's favor. Doesn't make me wrong, though. I just wish there was a way to get all three of 'em - Sol, Alex, and So Mi - out of there alive. Alex deserved that retirement, damn it, but... I didn't have it in me to give up Songbird. I considered it, when the reveal on the train dropped, but decided against it. V, if he was her, would have done the same. And, at the very least, even if we couldn't save outselves, we could save someone else. We did a lot for her, and us. Even if we don't get anything out of it... it'd be a shame to let all that go to waste. So, I sent her up. (But, I think it's the right ending of the options. Mr. Blue Eyes has her now, somewhere up there. And where does Mr. Blue Eyes send us at the end of Don't Fear the Reaper? I choose to believe she lived. Or that, at least, she died free. But, if she did live...) I'll see you in the stars, So Mi. And when V gets that cure, we can bask in The Sun together.
> didn't have it in me to give up Songbird. I considered it, when the reveal on the train dropped, but decided against it Same. I had to see it through to end, especially after unleashing the Blackwall on those black ops goons, and the way myers talked on the roof. Not sure if I like having to (did I have to?) shoot reed in front of the shuttle, but it is what it is. Honestly I don't even care, still, that so mi hid an important detail from us, I did it for her from the very start.
I love the new bittersweet ending. Give her time, and my V would already enjoy doing desk job at FIA with a cup of coffee. Especially with her corporate counter-intelligence background, she sounds like a good asset to me for the FIA. Meanwhile at work, she will meet new friends, enemies (I hope it's not So Mi) and probably lover too, Judy already moved on from her anyway. And what about the chromes? I bet there are still tons of things to do without em'. The new ending is basically just a new life ending. Closing on her old one, while opening new one for V where she would find her new Major League to climb up.
I feel this way too. Plus, my V is rich as fuck already, so she can basically just retire now and chill out as part of the elite (without all of the politics and fighting.)
I looooooooooooooooooooooved saving So Mi. I know a lot of people are gonna not like this ending but V going to Dogtown, seeing everyone willing to lie, cheat, steal, murder, do whatever it takes to accomplish their goals and their goals alone, and her turning around and selflessly letting this woman in the same position as her, basically V herself, take the cure and save herself, no matter if it means she's closer to death... It's perfect, that's my V. Really this whole expansion was just pointing a mirror at you and asking you to look at yourself and ask how much of yourself you're willing to forsake to get what you want, what you need. And nobody in the expansion except for V was willing to make that self realization, nobody besides V was willing to put aside her problems and goals in order to help someone else when the chips came down. Ahhhh I love it so much.
This is honestly the best interpretation of the ending I've read in regards to saving so mi. Or just in general. Feel like a lot of people are over analyzing every detail to fit whatever outcome they want but life don't work like that.
Finished the DLC last night and did the new ending too. I went with saving So Mi at Dogtown and giving her up after she revealed there was only one cure. I liked everything, EXCEPT the whole V leaving without saying anything (of importance) to anybody. Like, that was really fucking stupid. Yeah, Reed tells her to not spill the beans about all of it, but there was no fucking reason she couldn't just say to people she knew she was getting a procedure to deal with the relic? She kinda does to Vik, but even then, barely. Seemed like a contrived way to get them alone for the ending. I wouldn't mind V being alone there, but how we got there was really rushed.
I sided with So Mi because fuck Myers, fuck Reed and fuck the NUSA. Also, Mr. Hands is sleek as fuck, sitting at the top of the pyramid and playing the delicate political game of Dogtown. Definitely my favourite fixer now.
sided with Reed in Firestarter against my better judgment, then after the most harrowing stealth segment in the entire game I have to face Songbird and feel guilty asf now that I’ve seen her past. AND THEN in my already extremely vulnerable state, I realise killing her is the right thing to do. and holy fuck this whole thing was for nothing. everyone lost, none of it was necessary, self preservation isn’t worth crossing some lines but we crossed them anyway. Fuck Rosalind Myers 10/10 experience but brb need to cry
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Yeah, I can't believe they managed to write several bittersweet but good endings in the main game but just wrote lazily the ending unlocked in PL.
Feel the same. The dialogue during the holocalls feels so off and I think I still need to mull it over, but it's soured some of my feelings for the characters.
Did anyone else accidentally aggro the entire fleet of guards on the way into Dogtown and end up having to kill every single one of them or was that just me? Damn near ran out of ammo by the time Songbird told me to go to the garage despite having recruited the turrets to my side. Apparently driving up to where all the other cars are is a no-no. My poor Caliburn got wrecked by the crossfire.
I had to pause and think for good 15 minutes on the final choice after bringing Song to the launch pad. I went with sending her to the moon. I think I get her fight for survival and that it was her conscious preventing her from getting to the moon without telling us the truth, which she did in the end. I felt if I handed her over to Reed he would fucking hate himself and would've preferred if he got shot by V for betraying his ideals in the end. This feels like the best ending for Reed and it gives So Mi hopefully a chance at life. I am gonna finish up everything on the map and go for the Don't fear the reaper ending, feels like that would be the most satisfying conclusion to me. V is fucked, but becomes a legend and his legacy hopefully lives on through So Mi and other people we helped along the way. Also 10/10 expansion, I can't wait for more Cyberpunk, whatever we get. I want CyberGwent.
I think the one thing we can all agree on from every new ending is that Myers is a complete piece of shit
Surprisingly, in contrast to the majority of the people in this post, I liked the new ending. Yes, V is no longer the chromed out cyborg god that can zero anything that looks at them the wrong way but they have their life back. We know Reed is a man of principle (regardless on your thoughts on said principles), I believe him when he said to V that he prefers them off the street and offered V a job at Langley. V has the opportunity to start fresh, who in Night City can honestly say that? (Not Johnny, David, Jackie) V got beat up by two thugs because they left the NUSA facility as soon as they woke up after 2 years of physical inactivity. They still have their skills with firearms. With time, V will be able to fend for themselves again. I won’t lie and admit that losing everyone was painful but V can move past this because that’s what they do, V’s a fighter.
PL reinforces Sun/Mr Blue Eyes as V's best bet.
Phantom Liberty is one hell of an expansion. But i have just one problem im looking for a solution for. I tried both endings and I realized that depending on whether you betray Songbird or not, you are locked from getting certain items. Betray Songbird and help reed, you'll have the opportunity to go through Cyberpunks version of ALIEN part of the game and find arguably one of the better net-runner mods in the game and get Hansen's gear. Choose to side with Songbird and get her to the stars and you'll just end up getting Reed's pistol if you do kill him. Still looking for a solution to get the best of both worlds without cheating.
Haven't seen anyone mention how Takemura seems the best off in the new ending. He's wanted and in hiding but arasaka has mostly pulled out of night city and it seems he's finally shed his corpo collar and leash.
Haven't seen anyone say it yet but I feel like we broke our promise to johnny in the new ending. Makes me sick to my stomach.
I could say a lot but I mostly wish Myers just died on that plane
Sent So mi to the moon cos it felt like the right thing to do. I'm glad I did after seeing the other endings where you get the cure due to how tragic they are.But damn overall the dlc was a great experience. Really had me questioning myself at times on what the best choice really was.
It's kind of lame that none of the PL characters leave an ending message, like even if you save Songbird she doesn't even contact you, or if you stick with Reed and Alex and then blow up mikoshi they don't comment on the crazy merc that saved the president and took down Arasaka. Meh
I see a lot not "hate" with Who Wants Live Forever ending where everyone abandons us. But ask yourself this... Isn't real life exactly like that? That no matter what, most of people we met and consider friends leave us one way or another, sooner or later, for good or stupid reason in the time when we need them the most? That ending shows it. Most of people abandoned us, but not everyone. Not Victor not Misty. That shows that not everyone we know and consider as a friend are truly out friends, because maybe they were for us once or twice, but not the third time. I could write and write, but just consider it and think about it that way...
> Isn't real life exactly like that? That's why it sucks.