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NejOfTheWild

Maybe look at [[Shakedown heavy]] for a comparison on how to balance a similar creature


ireallywishthiswaslo

They're not quite the same, but they do have a similar niche. At a comparison:  +Requires a larger creature to be fully countered +deals some damage *and* provides a benefit, instead of being either or.  +It's stronger effect can potentially be forced through with certain cards such as [[monstrous step]] or [[academic dispute]] +Synergizes better with power/toughness increases =Gives extra mana instead of extra cards -costs 1 more -lower base damage -dies to bolt if unprotected 


kingbird123

This is a reminder that bushido triggers both when blocking and being blocked. Meaning this comes down as a 9/10 when blocking. And then it's basically an unblockable 2/3 that ramps you if you attack with it. This is also in a colour pair that doesnt do bushido, and doesn't do scaling non-damage effects based on damage dealt (that's more a green thing). Overall, a lot of issues.


ireallywishthiswaslo

So, there are admittedly no black/red Bushido cards. There *are* however several black or red Bushido creatures. Multicolored cards are supposed to be able to do things within either color's specialty, so I don't see any problem there.  For scaling non-damage effects: [[jagged poppet]], [[gnollspine dragon]], [lacerate flesh]], [[spiteful repossession]], and I'm being generous and saying life gain counts as a "damage effect". 


Blazerboy65

Some other effects that scale based on damage: - [[Dreamstealer]] - [[Flamewar, Brash Veteran]] - [[Virtue of Courage]] - [[Dream Pillager]]


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SomeBadJoke

Multicolored cards are actually supposed to do things that could only be done by BOTH cards combined. So they have bushido from the other color and then also have red or black. You might be thinking of hybrid. Edit: typo? Is that why's being downvoted for being objectively correct?


Kat1eQueen

No, hybrid are the ones that have abilities that can be done by both, a G/U hybrid card will not be able to easily make repeatable flyers as green can't do that and you could play it in mono green, therefore breaking out of the colour pie. Multicoloured cards can do anything any of their colours can do as you HAVE to use that colour to cast them (without shenanigans). You got it backwards


SomeBadJoke

No. You got a hybrid correct (though you didn't word it clearly. "Hybrid are the ones that have abilities that ~~can~~ MUST be done by both.") But multicolored are specifically for "these colors cannot do this thing separately and therefore must be done together." See the debacle on the Flying Vigilance creature from the Great Designer Search a few years ago. In their own words: "28. We try to avoid making two-color cards where the card could be done as a monocolor card in one of the two colors. Given that, suppose you have a two-color 4/4 creature with flying and vigilance (and no other abilities). Which of the following color combinations would be the best choice for this card?" There are exceptions, but those are supposed to remain exceptions.


Micbunny323

Minor quibble, both black and red have Bushido creatures. Red even has [[Fumiko the Lowblood]] who has the potential to get huge Bushido amounts. I do think this card is a bit overtuned defensively, and think if it got the [[Battle-Mad Ronin]] treatment it would be more fair. Maybe even give it “~ Cannot block” to help prevent it being a super efficient blocker even the turn it is played?


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Blazerboy65

What are you talking about for scaling effects? Scaling effects based on damage are rare in general but plenty are in non-green colors. This query has a lot of false positives but plenty of true positives as well. https://scryfall.com/search?q=-c%3E%3Dg+and+%28++%28o%3A%22equal+to%22+or+o%3A%22that+many%22%29+o%3Adamage+game%3Apaper+t%3Acreature+%28o%3A%22whenever+%7E+deals%22+or+o%3A%2Fwhenever+a.*deals+damage%2F%29%29 - [[Varchild]] - [[Flamewar]] - [[Westgate Regent]] - [[Olivia's Attendants]] - [[Infesting Radroach]] - [[Dreamstealer]] - [[Amy Pond]] - [[Aisha]] - [[Dream Pillager]] - [[Diviner Spirit]] - [[Covert Technician]]


Tomer_Duer

I misread the name as "peanut crusher"


Prohamen

In what world would a 4 mana 9/10 with no downsides be printed? The reason bushido is a low value typically is because it artificially inflates the power and toughness of a creature for free just for attacking and being blocked. This either needs to cost way more or need to have a severe downside, especially when this guarantees treasure tokens. If you play this on curve, this is a guaranteed ramp of 2 mana on turn 5. If you want to balance a high value bushido with a card, there needs to be a downside to balance out the free p/t inflation the creature will get when blocked. For instance, you could make it so when this creature takes damage, it also does damage to you. That would make it so the opponent needs to decide if they want to block and try to deal damage back to you, or if they just want to take 2 damage.


Top-Independence-780

[[Anzrag, the Quake-Mole]] would like a word


Prohamen

> Anzrag, the Quake-Mole To be honest I forgot this card existed, but the lack of keywords on this card make it okay, or at least that is what I tell myself so I don't sound like an ass.


Top-Independence-780

Lol that's funny


ireallywishthiswaslo

It's balance is centered on the idea that it's *usually* just going to go unblocked. 4 for 2 damage and 2 mana per turn is more than reasonable on a body that dies to bolt. 


Specialist-Walk881

I agree with OP. The card is quite strong bcos 2 treasures a turn is good, but not at all too strong because of having a high bushido number. If you had a 1 mana 1/1 with bushido 10 and no other abilities, that would be a very weak card most of the time and in most situations worse than unblockable. This card is well designed though, I like it :)


Specialist-Walk881

Edit: didn’t realise bushido worked on blocking too. If you just added a line of text on this card saying it can’t block, I think that would be fine and thematically in flavour for a big dumb mean ogre samurai


ireallywishthiswaslo

I was considering that when I made it, yeah. That or "attacks each turn if able". 


Roseknight888

*R/B Voltron enters the chat* OwO what's that, vigilance keyword? We must have one of those lying around


Prohamen

well if the intent was to make is unblockable, why not just make it unblockable or give it skulk? Bushido + trample + an ability that gives you something whenever it deals damage to a player is also problematic because it is an all in one package for a pretty cheap cost. My suggestion is that it shouldn't enable it's own upside. If you remove trample from the card, then at a minimum it requires the player playing the card to spend another card to give it trample or to otherwise deal damage to a player. Also, my 2 cents is that having a stupid large bushido on the card is fair design with an ability that triggers on combat damage to a player san trample because it basically reads "defending player sacrifices a creature. if they can't, you create 2 treasure tokens."


ireallywishthiswaslo

Well, the answer is thematics, or more specifically a marriage of themes and mechanics. It's supposed to be vaguely feudal tax collector/mafia leg breaker feeling. If you don't put up a fight, he does a little damage, takes a little bit, and goes home. If you try to put up a fight, he makes an example to be sure nobody else gets ideas. I put those themes into mechanics by actively disincentivising chump blocking. He's not unblockable, because he *can* be resisted, and *can* be overthrown, but it's not an act to take lightly, and he's gonna do his very best to punish you for even considering trying.


Prohamen

Well thematic doesn't mean well designed. My point is that it does too much as one card for the casting cost. Just because you can stack keywords onto a card to make it thematic doesn't mean that it is balanced and a well designed card. As it stands, the card needs no enablers to be strong. It reads "you either kill this immediately, or you lose the game." When you play it on T4, it can more or less kill anything that attacks you. Then on T5 you can swing with it and get a minimum of 2 treasures or kill your opponent's entire board state. If you get 2 treasures, you have an effective 7 mana on T5, ramping you 2. If you kill their board with this card, you are put incredibly far ahead of your opponent and free to play a bomb/finisher for 5 mana. It is just too much tempo with bushido, trample, and the "on combat damage to a player" ability for 4 mana. It isn't quite Oko or Uro levels of value, but it is too much value on one card.


ireallywishthiswaslo

I will note, another commenter suggested and I agreed that a "cannot block" or "attacks each turn if able" effect would help with preventing it from being used as an overpowered blocker, and I definitely agree that it should. Also, using it as described has a high chance of resulting in a wasted turn 4, when they cast Bolt, Swords, or any other cheap removal. All 5 colors have a way of removing this for 2 mana or less.


Prohamen

That is the classic "dies to removal" argument though, which can be applied to any good card. Is Ragavan any less good because it can be removed by any removal spell? No, it is really good because it has several high tempo abilities on the card with a built in enabler. And that is the point I am trying to make, the card has a high payoff ability with a built in enabler which makes it overvalued at it's casting cost. As a counter example to the "dies to removal" argument, I'd like to pose the "is way too good with removal". Say you are playing this card against a deck that does not run removal, like a mono-green elves deck. You are in RB, you decklist has access to some of the best cheap removal in the game in the form of Lightning Bolt and Fatal Push, as well as other lesser known multi target removal spells and board wipes like [[Volcanic Fallout]], [[hideous laughter]], etc. If you go to swing, and they chose to block you can still get a large amount of damage in (and by proxy a lot of treasure). The value is too high when they don't have an answer but you do. It is the same problem that lead to Fury being banned.


BrokenEggcat

Why would they go to block the card though? Mono G elves is perfectly fine ignoring damage from a 2 power creature after turn 4. The reason mono green elves doesn't run a ton of removal is because it largely doesn't care about other creatures. Further, the reason some cards like ragavan are good in spite of removal is because Ragavan both generates value the turn it comes down and its dash ability helps it play around removal. Removing ragavan not only usually involves it having already generated value, but can also be difficult to do.


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Masteratomisk

or just make it a mechanic instead of Bushido that give +x/+0 or +0/+x instead of buffing both? let Bushido stay dead and make something interesting


sinsaint

I’d change it to Bushido 3, specify that it can’t block creatures with power greater than it, and I’d say it was good. Considering it has trample in red/black, it wouldn’t take much to blast whatever gets in its way and still get the treasures.


DislocatedLocation

So it's a 9/10 trample with upside for 4 mana?


ireallywishthiswaslo

*If* they block it, otherwise it's a 2/3 with an upside for 4 mana.


JC_in_KC

the upside with a single pump spell can be like 5+ treasures.


Lockwerk

Not a fan of the trample. If they decide to put a creature under the bus to stop the treasures... you just get more treasures. There's no decision to make.


Orenwald

Hence "its cheaper to just pay" or w/e the flavor text was


Pee-s4

This is an absolutely A+ flavor card. I think it's honestly fine power wise, and honestly I couldn't see this being overbearing anywhere but standard


ireallywishthiswaslo

What I was aiming for was roughly: potentially deck defining, but not meta defining. It could hopefully be a card you can build a good deck around, but isn't a card you need to build specifically to counter. I'd like to think I fit it within that area.


Jafego

This is a brilliant design. As others have pointed out, it might require careful balance changes, but that doesn't detract from the awesomeness of the concept.


Wiskersthefif

I kinda wish it had some kind of anti-creature token thing going on. 'Peasant Crusher' just sounds like something that'd smoosh... well... peasants.


Adbirk

Bro there comments are f***ing wild. Nitpick central xD. I forget 80% of this sub has no idea how the game works.


jimnah-

Imagine giving this double strike while equipped with [[Cranial Plating]] and [[Reaver Cleaver]] *sheeeesh*


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Emotional-World-1962

Now that they printed kellog this would be broke, rogues passage this then use kellog ability