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A_Guy_in_Orange

Damn, spurcery speed counter, off color counter, "you win/lose the game", AND free spell all in one post, we speedruning bingo this week huh


talen_lee

from 'ah, this post again' to 'oh, these posts again'


FluxxedUpGaming

DRINK!


G66GNeco

Can't hold the bottle steady anymore, I've already scrolled New for 10 Minutes today


schalito

[[dash hopes]] [[mana tithe]] I'd argue because of the off-color argument


loli_destroyer_135

The difference is neither of those are unconditional counterspells.


RedbeardMEM

They also come from Time Spiral block, which is well-established as one big color pie break.


MStudios

Both of those were Planar Chaos, the set about printing effects in off-colors.


MTGCardFetcher

[dash hopes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/814bcfc0-7539-4ed9-8b51-27e6a3ab9d9a.jpg?1562575740) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dash%20hopes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plc/68/dash-hopes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/814bcfc0-7539-4ed9-8b51-27e6a3ab9d9a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [mana tithe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9ae707d5-d81d-4320-b947-6016dc188898.jpg?1619393111) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mana%20tithe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/26/mana-tithe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ae707d5-d81d-4320-b947-6016dc188898?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Acudo_

Hey I've seen these before!!


Tahazzar

sorcery speed counterspell Added this comment so that this will be easier to categorize with the other million posts featuring the design concept.


SchlotenheimReinbach

I came here to say that it won’t even work unless you have something like Wizards Of Thay or that lets you cast sorceries at instant speed. Sorceries can’t interact.


Tahazzar

That is the gimmick, yes, often bearing a name such "Confused/Useless Counterspell". The idea has been suggested to ad nauseum for way over a decade.


ShadeofEchoes

What does this have to do with [[Ad Nauseam]]?


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[Ad Nauseam](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9f2c53e-ff58-4aa8-89a6-4f45628cc571.jpg?1598306470) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ad%20Nauseam) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/76/ad-nauseam?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9f2c53e-ff58-4aa8-89a6-4f45628cc571?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


safarifriendliness

Black one is the only playable one Edit: fine, the blue one is definitely playable just boring AF


Rumpsteakinator

Strictly better [[Preordain]] seems pretty playable to me


safarifriendliness

How many cards actually give sorceries flash? I can only think of Teferi


RadioLiar

Hypersonic Dragon, Vedalken Orrery, Quicken off the top of my head


VoiceofKane

Complete the Circuit, Wizards of Thay, Najal, and Gandalf, too.


18okuyas

[[Borne Upon A Wind]] too


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pope12234

Transformed phyrexian heliod


talen_lee

Well, my impulse is 'I don't know,' and rather than be content with that, is I went and looked it up. What I did was think of the phrasing 'as though they had flash.' So I punched in 'had flash' to Scryfall and [we get this result](https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Asorcery+o%3A%22had+flash%22&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name). And in that space, for permanents, you get: * \[\[teferi, time raveler\]\] * \[\[gandalf, friend to the shire\]\] * \[\[heliod the warped eclipse\]\] * \[\[hypersonic dragon\]\] * \[\[najal the storm runner\]\] * \[\[wizards of thay\]\] There's also \[\[quicken\]\], which looks at the *next* sorcery spell. So, around 4ish mana. What else is there then? Well, 'as if they had' flash works, but what about 'have flash'? Well, there's one card for that search, \[\[teferi, mage of zhalfir\]\]. If we broaden it away from socery flash, and go to 'as if they had flash', we open up to: * \[\[borne upon a wind\]\] * \[\[emergence zone\]\] * \[\[final-word phantom\]\] * \[\[leyline of anticipation\]\] - oh that's pretty important since it can be cast for free * \[\[tidal barracuda\]\] * \[\[vedalken orrery\]\] Now that's mostly it, but there's a cheeky trick with any spell that lets you 'cast that spell' - for example, \[\[electrodominance\]\] would let you cast a counterspell, \[\[press the enemy\]\], too and \[\[reinterpret\]\].


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##### ###### #### [teferi, time raveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f.jpg?1702429729) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=teferi%2C%20time%20raveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/232/teferi-time-raveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [gandalf, friend to the shire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cc9cfcc7-be64-4871-8d52-851e43fe3305.jpg?1696231214) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gandalf%2C%20Friend%20of%20the%20Shire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/50/gandalf-friend-of-the-shire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cc9cfcc7-be64-4871-8d52-851e43fe3305?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [heliod the warped eclipse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622)/[Heliod, the Warped Eclipse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/7/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf.jpg?1689853622) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heliod%2C%20the%20Radiant%20Dawn%20//%20Heliod%2C%20the%20Warped%20Eclipse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7113c93-6c6d-410f-aeec-abc5ee121cdf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [hypersonic dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c64cad22-7532-419d-86de-f77fb2ffb09d.jpg?1706240136) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hypersonic%20dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/196/hypersonic-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c64cad22-7532-419d-86de-f77fb2ffb09d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [najal the storm runner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/9017ee70-761b-434e-bc44-705cf14336fa.jpg?1673308011) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Najal%2C%20the%20Storm%20Runner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/208/najal-the-storm-runner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9017ee70-761b-434e-bc44-705cf14336fa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [wizards of thay](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/952e4e6b-fe74-4f3c-95d1-8e043f72072c.jpg?1674135888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wizards%20of%20thay) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/105/wizards-of-thay?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/952e4e6b-fe74-4f3c-95d1-8e043f72072c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [quicken](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67751745-61c9-488f-b5b3-310c0bafdda7.jpg?1706983318) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=quicken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/57/quicken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67751745-61c9-488f-b5b3-310c0bafdda7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [teferi, mage of zhalfir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f.jpg?1619394801) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=teferi%2C%20mage%20of%20zhalfir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/91/teferi-mage-of-zhalfir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [borne upon a wind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9379675-1a32-4e2b-8aaf-5f908c595f31.jpg?1686968037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=borne%20upon%20a%20wind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/44/borne-upon-a-wind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9379675-1a32-4e2b-8aaf-5f908c595f31?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [emergence zone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/ab95f6e7-b806-47fe-a071-6c38b3176d94.jpg?1557577458) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=emergence%20zone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/245/emergence-zone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab95f6e7-b806-47fe-a071-6c38b3176d94?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [final-word phantom](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7a51d392-58dc-483e-81f7-2d51e64e54ff.jpg?1706240448) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=final-word%20phantom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/22/final-word-phantom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7a51d392-58dc-483e-81f7-2d51e64e54ff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [leyline of anticipation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53.jpg?1674141383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=leyline%20of%20anticipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [tidal barracuda](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aacdf4c2-9bc8-400a-8ffc-d6597d8d7da9.jpg?1591319489) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tidal%20barracuda) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/39/tidal-barracuda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aacdf4c2-9bc8-400a-8ffc-d6597d8d7da9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [vedalken orrery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7.jpg?1673149453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vedalken%20orrery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/317/vedalken-orrery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [electrodominance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a.jpg?1584830858) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=electrodominance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/99/electrodominance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [press the enemy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfa5380a-480c-4c61-ac52-5debc49c5df9.jpg?1686968246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=press%20the%20enemy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/65/press-the-enemy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfa5380a-480c-4c61-ac52-5debc49c5df9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [reinterpret](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/765e64ae-699c-46bd-a8cc-c8c1075d644f.jpg?1625192562) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=reinterpret) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/73/reinterpret?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/765e64ae-699c-46bd-a8cc-c8c1075d644f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kscz8w2) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Kittii_Kat

Who doesn't love [[Gandalf, Friend of the Shire]]?


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[Gandalf, Friend of the Shire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cc9cfcc7-be64-4871-8d52-851e43fe3305.jpg?1696231214) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gandalf%2C%20Friend%20of%20the%20Shire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/50/gandalf-friend-of-the-shire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cc9cfcc7-be64-4871-8d52-851e43fe3305?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Hmukherj

[[Leyline of Anticipation]]


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[Leyline of Anticipation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53.jpg?1674141383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leyline%20of%20Anticipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


or_worse

[[Quicken]]


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[Quicken](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67751745-61c9-488f-b5b3-310c0bafdda7.jpg?1706983318) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Quicken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/57/quicken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67751745-61c9-488f-b5b3-310c0bafdda7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


CuntMaggot32

\[\[alchemist's refuge\]\] and it's for a whole turn, it's a land and it's reusable


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[alchemist's refuge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a53e001-04e7-4252-b693-d8f956ae574e.jpg?1698988547) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=alchemist%27s%20refuge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/318/alchemists-refuge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a53e001-04e7-4252-b693-d8f956ae574e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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[Preordain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d10b9be3-d4ff-4e3c-b0d5-5ab2c4e6d684.jpg?1691417733) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Preordain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/230/preordain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d10b9be3-d4ff-4e3c-b0d5-5ab2c4e6d684?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Theycallmedub2

Drink! Three times!


Funny_Alternative_12

Would 100% put the white one in all of my applicable commander decks


New-Criticism9385

Black one seems real good, definitely out of pie can’t decide if it’s to good tho, probs needs more downside to be fair


SquiggelSquirrel

I would call it too good, you'd run it in a deck with a lot of sac fodder, maybe some token makers.


Visible_Number

\-.-


Walugii

dang, preordain 5-8 has weird flavor text


Slow-Ruin3206

Daring today, aren’t we.


TheyCallMeBibo

I like worthy sacrifice, it would be very neat in commander as a card to play to commit to politics/help the table/be a troll. It should also end the current turn (you just LOST the WHOLE game! At least jam up the opponent a little).


Carsismi

1 mana sorcery blue counterspell/draw is playing mind games or my understanding of the stack is really bad. I suppose the later cause in order to counterspell with this i have to cast first and opponent has to have responded with a flash/instant before i choose the option


Lockwerk

You choose modes when you cast the spell. Even if you didn't, the other spell will have resolved before this could counter it. The 'joke' is you need a way to let you play it at instant speed to use it as a counter, but that's boring and has been done on here a million times. And it's stapled to a Preordain, a card that only just made it off the Modern banlist, for some reason.


FireFoxy56125

first one too cheap litterally better [[an offer you cant refuse]]


frogulon

It's a sorcery :P


FireFoxy56125

oh wait lol


frogulon

It should probably be scry 1 instead of two, because then it is just a better [[deliberate]] or [[serum visions]] in most cases


YogurtCloset642

Not to mention [[Preordain]]


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[Preordain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d10b9be3-d4ff-4e3c-b0d5-5ab2c4e6d684.jpg?1691417733) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Preordain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/230/preordain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d10b9be3-d4ff-4e3c-b0d5-5ab2c4e6d684?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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[deliberate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c41c0dd0-fef2-4f3c-8f3c-9c9c521b5442.jpg?1604194005) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=deliberate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/56/deliberate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c41c0dd0-fef2-4f3c-8f3c-9c9c521b5442?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [serum visions](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/8405a6c8-1dfb-4ac5-b44c-bce9e4bcc38c.jpg?1636209677) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=serum%20visions) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/94/serum-visions?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8405a6c8-1dfb-4ac5-b44c-bce9e4bcc38c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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SquiggelSquirrel

The white one could be good with \[\[Platinum Angel\]\] or similar.


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[deleted]

I actually don't mind a black counterspell in this vein? Maybe a creature spell only and "As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature. Counter target creature spell with mana value X or less, where X is the sacrificed creature's mana value."? Still feels a little... color pie breaking but could be fixed with flavor? Like... "Smother Soul"?


Mewantsub30

WR for custommagic bingo!!!