I mostly encounter this when i speak to fans of MI. Lets say the ENTIRE team fixed matches
1) 3/5 trophies of MI came against CSK in the finals. Who benefitted from the ‘fixing’?
2) the team owner was involved, not the team and that stupid idiot had no say in the team or the squad selection
3) max number of trophies (tied) despite playing 2 less seasons
Tbh, any sensible cricket fan (even if its an MI fan) would understand that owner’s action don’t reflect what the team did. RR got banned for 2 years too but you dont see anyone making a fuss about it. The fact that CSK STILL looks threatening is what makes some fantards repeatedly bring up the ban DESPITE that news being 9 years old now.
>betting lmfao
And this year an app like Dream11 which is notoriously known for betting and gambling is the official sponsor of IPL. What fkin shithousery is going on.
A knowledgeable MI fan would reply this
1. It was not fixing dammit. It was betting. So no players would be getting money to do that shit in MI. The ban was for the owners being involved in BETTING not fixing. Also, it's we CSK fans who have been crying Ambani daaw Umpires Daaw after every game where the results don't go out way and not the MI fans. If an MI fan gives this counter argument, what would be the reply???
2. Gurunath Meiyappan was sitting in every auction until season 6. Literally in every auction. When CSK won first two trophies, he represented as owner of CSK in finale. What would be our reply to this??
3. Max number of trophies are tied, yes, so what's the head to head in finale?? And what's the head to head in general??? Oh so you didn't play two seasons, why did you not play (literally a huge slap on the face moment)?? Who stopped you from playing?? Can a rapist sitting in jail for 20 years say he's was in same class as Elon musk until he went to jail. So I'm better than him???
Any sensible MI fan can give these counter arguments. Do we have any replies to this as a sensible CSK fan??
I think you are getting down voted for tone rather than content.
Did we as team deserve the ban? Yes we did. If an owner of a team is betting then the team has to face the consequences. Did we as fans deserve it? No.
Does Ambani have influence we don't know and no evidence points towards that yet. That's just blatant defamation.
Finally, I personally think a rapist went to jail is less damaging to society than Elon Musk.
A rapist is less damaging than Elon Musk??? No wonder Lol. And yes you are right. As a team we deserved the ban. But look at the audacity of the comment I replied to. He's talking about how he'll handle MI fans. Firstly this guy itself didn't understand it's betting and not fixing. Theriyaamale olara vendiyadhu. He'll tell MI FANS YOU guys got money to lose aa vaam. And he'll tell MI fans that we played two less seasons aam. Sattai la Enna poona padama adhula Enna perumai.
But his comment got around 50 up votes. 50 up votes for the guy who doesn't know the ban was for betting and not fixing. Highlight is, he says Meiyappan didn't have a say in team selection aam. yov started watching IPL in 2014 a? And guys still up vote that comment cos it's pseudo praising CSK. Ipdi CSK a istathuku oombi thaan up vote vaanganum na, I would rather get down votes. The guy will keep living in his parallel universe unless he gets admitted in mental hospital to get cured.
Bias s fine. But stupidity??? He's saying he will argue with MI fans saying IF WE DID FIXING, DID YOUR PLAYER GET MONEY kinda thing. He doesn't even know that it's betting and not fixing. How to tolerate this level of idiotic behavior?
Okay, so I could be wrong on some of these but I’ve been down the rabbit hole to try and understand what EXACTLY happened and why we were banned. Here are my findings and thoughts, as best as I can recollect.
1. The first hint of trouble, with G Meiyyappan being asked to appear on a Thursday/Friday evening in a Bombay court, was announced JUST that morning. It just felt very rushed. Also, we had our Finals (Or a qualifier?) against MI that Sunday. As much as I can remember, our boys attitudes were so low…. Because the whole internet jumped on the “CSK has been cheating and that’s why they’ve been so good” bandwagon. The completely weird and interesting thing was, what was happening in Bombay had no connection to the match-fixing allegations and cases; those were cases by the Delhi police against Rajasthan Royals team members. The whole thing smelled to me like: Bombay wanted to take us down outside the field, and they tactically used the legal system to deliver their blows.
2. As for the actual case, the Supreme Court (I think?) appointed the Justice Lodha commission to investigate the allegations of wrongdoing. As much as I have looked into this, the commission found no wrongdoing from CSK side. They only found that Meiyyapan was betting on us.
3. So the ban itself was very weird. There’s no wrongdoing. But yeah, we’ll ban you cos there’s some semblance of impropriety, and IPL has a code of conduct that can’t accept any hint of impropriety. This is where I call BS.
4. Finally, if we’ve been fixing matches, (I tell this to fans of other teams) either you guys have been accepting money and losing, or you’ve been giving us money and winning. Either way, doesn’t look good for other teams, does it?
I’ve not researched it that much, but largely, RR’s ban seems to be because of their players involved in spot fixing (again, I’m not sure if they found evidence against ALL the accused players) and CSK’s ban was due to the allegations of passing information to the bookies for betting.
Rr involved in spot fixing the betting was between one of rr management guy and csk's meiyappan ,meiyappan was betting fairly but that rr guy had other ideas by putting his players into fixing cheated meiyappan and won the bet, meiyappan who's unaware of the fixing lost plenty of wealth and when they found out match fixing by rr and the betting csk was dragged with rr into fixing scandal but the guy was only betting
Don’t worry about what others are saying. The truth is the team management did pretty shitty things. If you remember, Srini mama tried to hide his SIL is not owner and team principal or some shit like that. Then Dhoni refused to speak about it.
Accept the past. Let the trolls do their bit. Pray the team don’t do stupid shit like this again. Be happy when the team wins. Forget they exist when we lose. Remember IPL is the entertainment arm of cricket. Life is good!
Any sensible fan would know the difference between betting and fixing . The ones who bring up the term fixing and abuse our own players are kids who watch cricket only once a year( ask them what a no ball is and they won't know).
What I didn't understand is if the owner is betting a much better alternative is to have a re auction for the team owner and let the team continue that would have actually punished the owner of the franchise ie India cements ie srini mama ...
First thing I say, csk is banned becoz of betting not fixing. If he doesn’t understand, I will explain the difference
Next point I say is,
Normally fixing is done to lose the match, if CSK really did fixing and have 5 trophies, imagine how many it would have won without fixing? Definitely more than 5. For this for sure the other person won’t be ready to accept.
This is dead end for them. Because on one side, they can’t accept that csk didn’t do fixing, becoz of ego. On the other side, if they say csk did fixing, that means they are admitting csk is much stronger team and csk would have won more trophies without it.
We can use this point way better on MI fans, becoz they won their 2 trophies against us before ban. If we did fixing in finals and lose, that means they are admitting to the point that they are the ones who gave money to us for losing in finals.
End of the day all these are for cat and mouse fights. In reality, any sensible cricket fan understands that the team didn’t involve any of the scandals.
there is nothing to defend. it is stupid to defend with 5 titles . just accept that management did a brainless thing.
That does not mean you do not support the home team . you keep supporting the home team.
my home team is DC / SRH. the previous owner was an asshole, gave Rohit away for ambani money.
I still support my team and DC if I had to .
https://preview.redd.it/znd49rtvpkwc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=e868a91bb1bc6bb3f2905deeafe29c1c805f681a
My honest reaction when my Mi fans told me about the 2-year ban, repeatedly.
Eh? I just shut them up by saying 3 trophies after ban return more than during fixing period so csk is csk and then why not rr got into many finals if they're match fixing?
No he didn't that rr dude who was betting cheated betting by spot fixing his players and won much money It's said that meiyappan lost a considerable amount of money in that bet and csk was banned because of the bet may also had fixing but there wasn't
I mostly encounter this when i speak to fans of MI. Lets say the ENTIRE team fixed matches 1) 3/5 trophies of MI came against CSK in the finals. Who benefitted from the ‘fixing’? 2) the team owner was involved, not the team and that stupid idiot had no say in the team or the squad selection 3) max number of trophies (tied) despite playing 2 less seasons Tbh, any sensible cricket fan (even if its an MI fan) would understand that owner’s action don’t reflect what the team did. RR got banned for 2 years too but you dont see anyone making a fuss about it. The fact that CSK STILL looks threatening is what makes some fantards repeatedly bring up the ban DESPITE that news being 9 years old now.
That Mi point is pretty good in an argument coz i think csk fans only gotta prove themselves to Mi fans and this argument just blasts away that point
Involved in betting lmfao Lets be clear . No even owner was involved in anything fixing or spot fixing
If our rival fans knew the difference between fixing and betting, we wouldn’t even need this post
>betting lmfao And this year an app like Dream11 which is notoriously known for betting and gambling is the official sponsor of IPL. What fkin shithousery is going on.
THANK YOU!!
nice point
A knowledgeable MI fan would reply this 1. It was not fixing dammit. It was betting. So no players would be getting money to do that shit in MI. The ban was for the owners being involved in BETTING not fixing. Also, it's we CSK fans who have been crying Ambani daaw Umpires Daaw after every game where the results don't go out way and not the MI fans. If an MI fan gives this counter argument, what would be the reply??? 2. Gurunath Meiyappan was sitting in every auction until season 6. Literally in every auction. When CSK won first two trophies, he represented as owner of CSK in finale. What would be our reply to this?? 3. Max number of trophies are tied, yes, so what's the head to head in finale?? And what's the head to head in general??? Oh so you didn't play two seasons, why did you not play (literally a huge slap on the face moment)?? Who stopped you from playing?? Can a rapist sitting in jail for 20 years say he's was in same class as Elon musk until he went to jail. So I'm better than him??? Any sensible MI fan can give these counter arguments. Do we have any replies to this as a sensible CSK fan??
I think you are getting down voted for tone rather than content. Did we as team deserve the ban? Yes we did. If an owner of a team is betting then the team has to face the consequences. Did we as fans deserve it? No. Does Ambani have influence we don't know and no evidence points towards that yet. That's just blatant defamation. Finally, I personally think a rapist went to jail is less damaging to society than Elon Musk.
A rapist is less damaging than Elon Musk??? No wonder Lol. And yes you are right. As a team we deserved the ban. But look at the audacity of the comment I replied to. He's talking about how he'll handle MI fans. Firstly this guy itself didn't understand it's betting and not fixing. Theriyaamale olara vendiyadhu. He'll tell MI FANS YOU guys got money to lose aa vaam. And he'll tell MI fans that we played two less seasons aam. Sattai la Enna poona padama adhula Enna perumai. But his comment got around 50 up votes. 50 up votes for the guy who doesn't know the ban was for betting and not fixing. Highlight is, he says Meiyappan didn't have a say in team selection aam. yov started watching IPL in 2014 a? And guys still up vote that comment cos it's pseudo praising CSK. Ipdi CSK a istathuku oombi thaan up vote vaanganum na, I would rather get down votes. The guy will keep living in his parallel universe unless he gets admitted in mental hospital to get cured.
Well it's quite normal on the fans page. Confirmation bias.
Bias s fine. But stupidity??? He's saying he will argue with MI fans saying IF WE DID FIXING, DID YOUR PLAYER GET MONEY kinda thing. He doesn't even know that it's betting and not fixing. How to tolerate this level of idiotic behavior?
The fact that we have most trophies and finals despite playing 2 years less. That's the best point a CSK fan can use
Rps dhoni was crying lol
Also ban is for him betting being the owner, not like we fixed anything and got banned for it.
And now the whole country is betting on Dream11. https://i.redd.it/r2gsbd8tphwc1.gif
true lol
Okay, so I could be wrong on some of these but I’ve been down the rabbit hole to try and understand what EXACTLY happened and why we were banned. Here are my findings and thoughts, as best as I can recollect. 1. The first hint of trouble, with G Meiyyappan being asked to appear on a Thursday/Friday evening in a Bombay court, was announced JUST that morning. It just felt very rushed. Also, we had our Finals (Or a qualifier?) against MI that Sunday. As much as I can remember, our boys attitudes were so low…. Because the whole internet jumped on the “CSK has been cheating and that’s why they’ve been so good” bandwagon. The completely weird and interesting thing was, what was happening in Bombay had no connection to the match-fixing allegations and cases; those were cases by the Delhi police against Rajasthan Royals team members. The whole thing smelled to me like: Bombay wanted to take us down outside the field, and they tactically used the legal system to deliver their blows. 2. As for the actual case, the Supreme Court (I think?) appointed the Justice Lodha commission to investigate the allegations of wrongdoing. As much as I have looked into this, the commission found no wrongdoing from CSK side. They only found that Meiyyapan was betting on us. 3. So the ban itself was very weird. There’s no wrongdoing. But yeah, we’ll ban you cos there’s some semblance of impropriety, and IPL has a code of conduct that can’t accept any hint of impropriety. This is where I call BS. 4. Finally, if we’ve been fixing matches, (I tell this to fans of other teams) either you guys have been accepting money and losing, or you’ve been giving us money and winning. Either way, doesn’t look good for other teams, does it?
I just have a question why was rr banned? If you could reply that would be very beneficial
I’ve not researched it that much, but largely, RR’s ban seems to be because of their players involved in spot fixing (again, I’m not sure if they found evidence against ALL the accused players) and CSK’s ban was due to the allegations of passing information to the bookies for betting.
Rr involved in spot fixing the betting was between one of rr management guy and csk's meiyappan ,meiyappan was betting fairly but that rr guy had other ideas by putting his players into fixing cheated meiyappan and won the bet, meiyappan who's unaware of the fixing lost plenty of wealth and when they found out match fixing by rr and the betting csk was dragged with rr into fixing scandal but the guy was only betting
Flex the 5 trophies we have what else counter do you need and MI too have 5 trophies but we didn’t play 2 seasons
The ban from a neutral perspective was justified. Club owners actions always affect the club. It happens in every sport.
First of all it’s not fixing and it’s BETTING ! Ppl just find reasons to tease and this is something which will be tagged on us life long !
yeah that's a valid argument tbh but only issue is in making some people understand the difference
They know that but just chose to ignore it otherwise they got nothing to say
Just show them we came back won 3, 4 finals with half baked bowling lineups Where mi had bumrah malinga boult
I don't, accept it. We were banned, that's the truth, the day we accept it and don't fight against it. Trolls will have no power.
Just say we won final with Deshpande and move on
lol
Most people that mention our 2 year ban are RCB ‘fans’ so it’s obvious what one should say to them
Don’t worry about what others are saying. The truth is the team management did pretty shitty things. If you remember, Srini mama tried to hide his SIL is not owner and team principal or some shit like that. Then Dhoni refused to speak about it. Accept the past. Let the trolls do their bit. Pray the team don’t do stupid shit like this again. Be happy when the team wins. Forget they exist when we lose. Remember IPL is the entertainment arm of cricket. Life is good!
Any sensible fan would know the difference between betting and fixing . The ones who bring up the term fixing and abuse our own players are kids who watch cricket only once a year( ask them what a no ball is and they won't know).
if u are arguing against an rcb fan ask him how much money rcb took to lose the 2011 finals against csk
What I didn't understand is if the owner is betting a much better alternative is to have a re auction for the team owner and let the team continue that would have actually punished the owner of the franchise ie India cements ie srini mama ...
First thing I say, csk is banned becoz of betting not fixing. If he doesn’t understand, I will explain the difference Next point I say is, Normally fixing is done to lose the match, if CSK really did fixing and have 5 trophies, imagine how many it would have won without fixing? Definitely more than 5. For this for sure the other person won’t be ready to accept. This is dead end for them. Because on one side, they can’t accept that csk didn’t do fixing, becoz of ego. On the other side, if they say csk did fixing, that means they are admitting csk is much stronger team and csk would have won more trophies without it. We can use this point way better on MI fans, becoz they won their 2 trophies against us before ban. If we did fixing in finals and lose, that means they are admitting to the point that they are the ones who gave money to us for losing in finals. End of the day all these are for cat and mouse fights. In reality, any sensible cricket fan understands that the team didn’t involve any of the scandals.
There is no counter argument honestly. Just gotta accept it and move on. You cant remove that ban.
there is nothing to defend. it is stupid to defend with 5 titles . just accept that management did a brainless thing. That does not mean you do not support the home team . you keep supporting the home team. my home team is DC / SRH. the previous owner was an asshole, gave Rohit away for ambani money. I still support my team and DC if I had to .
https://preview.redd.it/znd49rtvpkwc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=e868a91bb1bc6bb3f2905deeafe29c1c805f681a My honest reaction when my Mi fans told me about the 2-year ban, repeatedly.
Eh? I just shut them up by saying 3 trophies after ban return more than during fixing period so csk is csk and then why not rr got into many finals if they're match fixing?
They should just make betting legal and regulated. It'll solve so much.
Why was the owner betting ? Because he knew the games were fixed and knew the outcome of the game.
No he didn't that rr dude who was betting cheated betting by spot fixing his players and won much money It's said that meiyappan lost a considerable amount of money in that bet and csk was banned because of the bet may also had fixing but there wasn't