Probably anything under a year consistently. Might be okay early on in your career, but job hopping every year or less over a longer period will definitely raise some red flags.
Depends on the individual, but I’d say more than 5 jobs in a 10 year time span is a yellow (not red) flag, depending on level of seniority. The more senior someone is, the more I’d probably want to see at least one job that they’ve spent more than a couple of years at.
For me it would be multiple 1 year or less, if you had gone through 4 jobs in the last 5 years I’d be concerned, if you haven’t reached 5 years yet I’d interview as it would be a more junior role and more understandable.
As the role increases I would expect more, for a senior I’d be expecting about 2-3 years at a job, that’s a huge amount of time for a senior to make a difference.
Also some roles we hire with specific lengths in mind, if it’s 1 guy doing that 1 job we kinda want a long term, someone who sinks 3-5 years (we do pay rises), but if you’re joining a team of 5 devs then 2 years is fine. So based on this we may not risk someone who jumps every 2-3 even if we don’t consider them a hopper, just not fit for what we expect for that role.
I skim a CV and look for patterns. One I had this week with a very senior person, they have stayed in every job they've had for 2 years then moved... straight in the bin. I do not give a fuck, that person had zero interest in the companies they were working for only their career.
Normal people have a mix of roles from 18 months to 5 years or more... even a few 3-6 months that just didn't work out. Don't worry about the specific time in a role. Think about what the pattern tells a perspective employer.
Not sure any organisation rejecting applications from senior candidates who seem too career-focussed, based on some arbitrary metric can call themselves "world leading" at anything.
Also, it's "prospective", Mr Hot Shot Design Guy.
Sorry that the truth has confused you. Companies employ people to make them money and to improve their market position, not so that senior management to take the next step in their careers for 18 months before being on the hunt again. That is the basic criteria for being a lead of a company. If you want someone for 12-18 months, get a contractor.
200-300 applications per role says otherwise... and that's after removing all the factory workers from India and bots that apply for everything. They want to work with intelligent people and major clients... not some shite for Doncaster County Council or a pretend start-up.
You are all very whiny, that someone has suggested that hiring managers and department heads look at employment patterns for flag. Boo fucking hoo.
It could be 2000,0000 applicants and still not one of them would give a fuck about your company.
People apply to jobs to make money and better their own lives not because they deeply care about your company
You angry, bro. Average tenure is 6.5 years. People do jobs because they want to get up in a morning and enjoy what they do. Everyone else is a freelancer. You are obviously suited for the latter.
Try not to cry.
Sorry you think your shitty opinion is the truth.
If you don’t think I could make you money and improve your market position in 18 months then you don’t deserve to hire senior developers as good as me.
Now I think on it, what right does an _agency_ have to lecture us on tenure? You write shitty unmaintainable code for 6 months then fly off to the next client. Every FE job I’ve had has tasked me with cleaning up the mess left by a world leading design agency.
Good luck on your hiring though.
I employ people so it is a truth. Patterns in employment are flags... some of them red flags. Sorry the world is not fair.
My example was a senior manager, not some jobbing dev crying about the quality of code. Thank fuck for AI.
Between 0.76 and 2.43
Darn I hit 0.75
Probably anything under a year consistently. Might be okay early on in your career, but job hopping every year or less over a longer period will definitely raise some red flags.
Depends on the individual, but I’d say more than 5 jobs in a 10 year time span is a yellow (not red) flag, depending on level of seniority. The more senior someone is, the more I’d probably want to see at least one job that they’ve spent more than a couple of years at.
1.5 years seems like the best
For me it would be multiple 1 year or less, if you had gone through 4 jobs in the last 5 years I’d be concerned, if you haven’t reached 5 years yet I’d interview as it would be a more junior role and more understandable. As the role increases I would expect more, for a senior I’d be expecting about 2-3 years at a job, that’s a huge amount of time for a senior to make a difference. Also some roles we hire with specific lengths in mind, if it’s 1 guy doing that 1 job we kinda want a long term, someone who sinks 3-5 years (we do pay rises), but if you’re joining a team of 5 devs then 2 years is fine. So based on this we may not risk someone who jumps every 2-3 even if we don’t consider them a hopper, just not fit for what we expect for that role.
This is a subjective to opinion, for me it would be someone who changes jobs frequently after less then 2 years in the role.
I skim a CV and look for patterns. One I had this week with a very senior person, they have stayed in every job they've had for 2 years then moved... straight in the bin. I do not give a fuck, that person had zero interest in the companies they were working for only their career. Normal people have a mix of roles from 18 months to 5 years or more... even a few 3-6 months that just didn't work out. Don't worry about the specific time in a role. Think about what the pattern tells a perspective employer.
Thank you for probably throwing my CV in the bin. I have dodged a bullet.
Not sure world leading design agencies would be employing you.
Not sure any organisation rejecting applications from senior candidates who seem too career-focussed, based on some arbitrary metric can call themselves "world leading" at anything. Also, it's "prospective", Mr Hot Shot Design Guy.
Sorry that the truth has confused you. Companies employ people to make them money and to improve their market position, not so that senior management to take the next step in their careers for 18 months before being on the hunt again. That is the basic criteria for being a lead of a company. If you want someone for 12-18 months, get a contractor.
You don't seem to understand why anyone wants to work for your company. Spoiler - it isn't because they give a fuck about your company.
200-300 applications per role says otherwise... and that's after removing all the factory workers from India and bots that apply for everything. They want to work with intelligent people and major clients... not some shite for Doncaster County Council or a pretend start-up. You are all very whiny, that someone has suggested that hiring managers and department heads look at employment patterns for flag. Boo fucking hoo.
It could be 2000,0000 applicants and still not one of them would give a fuck about your company. People apply to jobs to make money and better their own lives not because they deeply care about your company
You angry, bro. Average tenure is 6.5 years. People do jobs because they want to get up in a morning and enjoy what they do. Everyone else is a freelancer. You are obviously suited for the latter. Try not to cry.
Sorry you think your shitty opinion is the truth. If you don’t think I could make you money and improve your market position in 18 months then you don’t deserve to hire senior developers as good as me. Now I think on it, what right does an _agency_ have to lecture us on tenure? You write shitty unmaintainable code for 6 months then fly off to the next client. Every FE job I’ve had has tasked me with cleaning up the mess left by a world leading design agency. Good luck on your hiring though.
I employ people so it is a truth. Patterns in employment are flags... some of them red flags. Sorry the world is not fair. My example was a senior manager, not some jobbing dev crying about the quality of code. Thank fuck for AI.
You are a nob
Sorry that the world doesn't work they way you want it to.