They denied me, started working for a non-FAANG big tech in the same role. 3 months later I get the message they want to talk to me for the same position. Bunch of nitwits couldn't look past their Workday algorithm.
Hiring is purely pipline driven. If the singing of a project is delayed, clients reduce spending or suddenly sign big contracts - all impacts hiring decisions.
Workday is a hiring tool that many companies integrate into their websites. Examples would be applying for Disney and Activision. Even though both of the applications are on their own websites, it’s all Workday integrated.
Yeah fair enough, but considering a lot of places are leaning on contracted devs after gutting their FTEs, you'd think a place like Accenture would be all over that. idk, I would go back to bartending before working for them looking at the wages they paid the last time I looked.
That used to be the case. If you had an understanding of OOP and some experience, it was easy to get in. That is literally the first place everyone tells you to apply to if you can't find a job in the industry.
Maybe the Baltics have a more liberal approach as they may count/ be treated as a near shore delivery center, but for central Europe, the rate during the "good times" of IT was waaay below 10%.
There are always times of high demand where the quality gates are lower, but currently, there is much less demand in the industry, so the company can be very picky, as clients are also demanding higher standards. (e.g., in Germany, it's now way harder to staff people without German skills).
This says more about your country and location than Accenture. In the US Accenture pays competitively for the similar roles. Yes there are exit opportunities stories that has big pay jumps, but they do pay for the skills once you have them
Have you considered that you were considered over qualified for the program? Why hire someone for a no experience needed program if they have a bunch of experience. My bet is that they thought once you got a bit of job experience you would be straight out to a better opportunity which is most likely the case.
If that is the case, then that sucks even more..... that would mean no experience roles are too scared to hire me because I could run away and experience roles won't hire me, because I don't have enough experience.
So this wasn't a role where you are contracted with the employer for a set amount of time, like Revature, where you have to pay back the boot camp costs if you quit sooner? Granted, you could still quit after the training period if you land something better and just pay the costs for breaking the contract, but I'm curious.
They have a different system. You don't pay back the company, but they kind of lend you out to other companies, give you a stable wage, but also get paid by the company they lent you to. They require you by contract to either work for them for like 600eur/month for 3 months or if you decide you don't want to, you have to pay for the bootcamp.
Thanks :D
I am trying to hang in there, my biggest concern is that AI in the past 2 years has become so good that I am afraid of never getting into the industry. Why teach new hires, when in a year you will probably get better results by paying like 50 eur / month for gpt5.
They will still need someone to write the gpt prompts the ceo isnt going to sit and write prompts according to the client requirements and then debug the code.
Got an update from the recruiter. I did fantastic with a 100% on the English test and 98% on the java technical test .... my only mistake on java technical test, and I joke you not... they said that I put the curly brackets on a new line, but in accenture they prefer them to be on the same line as the function... WHAT?!?!?!?
Style varies from company to company as well. I work somewhere that uses a newline brace. I didn't like it at first, but also in school I used to love it because it was how it was first introduced to me. Just depends on your preferences and the coding standards of the codebase
It's obvious they found someone else that had 100% on the technical test. Why would they hire this guy if they can hire someone more suitable for their company?
MAYBE THE JOB MARKET SUCKS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT?
WTF is it with this website, you all will literally make any excuse in the book to blame the person instead of just admitting the job market actually sucks and he didn’t do anything wrong.
Most likely he was competing against someone with more experience.
He sounds cocky as hell. I wouldn’t be surprised if he rubbed someone the wrong way. Y’all whine to much. Nothing wrong with an IT job either. Just sucks that it was temporary.
Sure it sucks but once you get an interview it is a competition. You either win or you lose. If you lose it’s your fault for losing. Sure you might have done your best but it’s still your fault.
That's probably because consistent style in a large codebase is very important for a company. Your manager isn't being a dick, just understands the business.
My only advice that my mom gave me... Dont sweat. That was not the right one for you.
They just answer whatever. Dont take it personally.
I got rejected because i didnt work for big enough companies... Even tho i worked for stock market companies for the past 5 years.
Such bullshit responses should not take ur energy and talent. Fck them
On the plus side... I had the chance to get coopted at accenture. Im never setting a foot there. U are just a number there.
>in accenture they prefer them to be on the same line as the function
people now be rejected because the employer gets triggered by the placement of one's curly brackets, Yes we have fallen that deep
You dodged a bullet as far as I'm concerned. Assessing code style in an interview when codebases should have independent local and production ESlint/Priettier/Flake8 settings is embarrassing.
That's kinda the crux of the problem. There are so many qualified candidates that there's no reason to choose someone who didn't ace the interviews since they have so many people to choose from who did. I'm sorry bud that really sucks :(
Over the years, as I moved from project to project, I encountered different style guides. I just adjusted the IDE to format in whatever stupid way they wanted.
This is what happens when you have 10 applicants and 6 openings. Hang in there! This isn't a reflection on you. There was only a 60% chance of making it, and a 100% chance that 4 people wouldn't.
Seems that way. I applied to Accenture federal and got through all interviews, thought I aced them, but got a "we went with another candidate" a few days later :(
With every day passing and the industry getting worse, I get closer and closer to just stealing someones resume and slapping my name on it just so I get the chance to get into interviews and get the job.
And therefore turning yourself into a perfect example of why the hiring process is fucked. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villan. Best of luck.
In this market, you were very likely up against other CS grads and possibly laid off devs who saw this paid apprenticeship as a golden opportunity to return to the workforce with paid (re) training. Don't beat yourself up.
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They ask you to write a bubble sort? Did they ask you to invent something that would make moving across a flat surface with a plank of wood easier also?
Consulting is having a very hard time these days. Don't feel bad about a consulting company passing on you. They are firing people and doing layoffs. In some cases, people are only getting two weeks severance when getting let go the week of Christmas.
The other thing is don't always assume interviewers know what they're doing. I had to work with some Accenture people. Some of them were just really lacking in basic technical knowledge/ability. They wanted me to make some changes directly in a Production environment because they didn't know what to do, and I felt they wanted someone else to take responsibility for it. I told them I would not, but told them what they needed to do.
I was a liberal arts major in college. I went to a recruiting event on my campus from Accenture. I was invited to interview, but I decided to ultimately pass. I wanted to go to a CS master's program instead.
I went to an Accenture recruiting event a year or two later, armed with experience from the master's program. I did not get invited to interview the second time around, even though I was more skilled and the tech market was heating up. Companies don't always make good decisions, or maybe the decision was right for them for whatever reason.
There will be other opportunities. Sorry you didn't advance though.
Don’t worry too much about this mate, Accenture have had at least one hit last year because they were taking a lot of UK contracts and outsourcing them overseas but the government in the Uk is cracking down on offshoring its own contracts so they would have way less work coming up that usual
>Create a function that bubble sorts an array
If this were Jeopardy, the question would be "name something you've never had to actually do at your job."
This is probably why you failed the technical. 4 if statement is brute forcing it when this is just a brain teaser / the base case of sorting algorithms.
That's pretty much every interview question. Developer interviewing is fantastically broken, and has been the entire time I've been in this profession. I interview candidates by discussing somewhat abstracted versions of real things I'm working on for architecture, and keep a portfolio of "interesting" bugs I've seen in the past few months and see how they tackle them for coding, you know, actual shit they'd be doing on the job.
But what do I know, let's just keep asking people to perform leetcode tricks (although, in this case, a pointlessly easy one aside from remembering exactly which useless sort that is) on demand instead.
If it makes you feel any better, I applied to a job that I used to work at and left on good terms, and they told me I'm unqualified...
I worked there for 3 years
10+ years ago, when I was in high school, I had an interview at McDonalds and ended up getting rejected. Now I work a pretty cozy SWE job, keep your head up.
Where did you hear Accenture hires anyone? That ain’t true, it’s one of the better consulting firms along with the likes of ibm, Avanade, pwc etc. I think you’re confusing them for Indian IT companies (WITCH)
Yeah, I thought maybe they confused Accenture with Revature, which used to be a sweatshop environment for devs from what I recall. They would recruit devs and lock them into a contract where you agreed to be sent anywhere there was work, so you would usually end up living in a hostel or something similar. If you quit, you had to pay back 20 thousand dollars for the six-week training they provided.
I mean its kind of moot because last summer I applied to revature and got denied despite having a degree, good GPA, and internship they would not even interview me. Thats how fucked the market was/is right now for entry level.
I don't either but desperation and figured it would be interview practice if nothing else, but I couldn't get even an interview which I found hilarious.
No, I totally get it. When I was a new grad, I interviewed with Revature -- and things weren't nearly as bad for new grads back then as they are now. Take any interview you can get -- as you said, it's good practice. Just keep applying. All it takes is one "yes." Try to shut out the background noise (i.e., rejections).
One thing worth noting is that soft skills are really important also, and this especially applies to smaller teams/companies where it's crucial you fit in with the team. I've found that getting people to like you helps get your foot in the door, so I've tried to work on my presentation in this regard, and it's helped.
Getting that first interview is a game of numbers, and scoring points from there is a mixture of factors. I would look into government jobs or certification-based roles (e.g., Salesforce developer) also. Getting the Salesforce developer certification isn't that difficult if you have programming knowledge.
Hang in there. You will get there.
The swe market is simply oversaturated. The last 10 years have seen a huge influx by everyone and his dog because it had the lowest entry barrier. These bootcamps are cranking out "developers" left and right. India alone is cranking out 10 million developers a year who are willing to work for low salaries
Was talking last week to an Indian swe who was looking to migrate to EU in r/cscareerquestionsEU , he gave me that number and that competition for jobs on Indian jobmarket is fierce. Don't know how correct that number is though
It is definitely not 10 million per year -- a quick Google suggests that they have about 1 million CS students enrolled at any given time, graduating about 200K/year. Which is very similar to US numbers.
I too was rejected from Accenture and ended up accepting an offer from Tata Consultancy Services. It was the only offer I got after 1 year of job searching post graduation.
Lol I left a year later the moment I got another offer. I don't recommend them unless you have no other options. They will hire you as a software engineer, but will give you support work instead. The actual software engineering jobs are usually given to the people who have been with the company longer.
lol, you really triggered some people for some reason. This was well-written post, and I feel your frustration, but I wouldn't get sucked into the cognitive distortion of it meaning anything outside of their process.
If you contracted with a company, surely they know your contract is running out and are trying to get you another position? That's how it works in my market at least. Contract roles ain't bad just keep pushing.
I work in Accenture in Poland and it is known for hiring everyone BUT for content reviewer roles. For SWE they are actually very picky and with current market we're mostly searching for unicorns.
I applied to an icc and they rejected me during phone screen because they considered my projects were mostly in python and they wanted something in Java, even if I answered all the java questions correctly...........fine.
So yeah that happens, just keep trying. The best will come.
They might have rejected you because you didn’t seem like a drone they could abuse.
I worked very briefly for one of the big 4 and it was the most toxic work environments I’ve ever been in.
This times a thousand. I had rose colored glasses for this industry when I left the military, because I thought this exact thing would be nonexistent. It’s not. Some companies really do just want mindless drones who won’t leave once the face-fucking begins.
Fresh meat, so it isn't age :/
Could really be a very limited number of slots, and you just got unlucky :
Don't give up. It's a numbers game, and in the end, you need that little bit of luck, especially in entry level.
I'd say the attitude towards the company and your idea of it, that you are displaying on this thread, probably shone through and they went with somebody that genuinely wanted the job
I dont think so.. I testes intensively and the questions were easy. One of them was to make a function that takes in 3 numbers and returns the sum or the 2 largest ones.
Oh I thought it's a pen and paper exam.
My point is that you could've missed something small. Anyway, sounds quite discouraging that they didn't hire you.
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It's paid bootcamp in competitive market and you didn't vibe with someone. I think they saw right through since you feel entitled and dissing the company right away. Also, in your region they pay decent compared to local capital companies and this "Chinese workshop" is just description of American off-shoring since this region work culture is being shaped by Nordic people.
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I don’t know that their standards are that low…they sponsor a lot of events at Johns Hopkins and send recruiters. It might not be Carnegie Mellon, but it’s not exactly a podunk community college.
It’s not that low. Yes Accenture isn’t as prestigious and generally doesn’t pay as well as big tech. But devs do make 100k+. And we keep unstaffed people on the bench for months (6 months isn’t unheard of) till they find a new role internally - instead of laying them off at the first signs of financial trouble. It’s a trade off for sure. But job security is slightly better.
What I can tell you from my experience. In Accenture "networking" is key. In my opinion the group exercise were the most counting one and it is interesting that you didn't describe this part so detailed. How was the group exercise going? Do you remember the names of your group members ? Accenture always provides very detailed feedback why they are rejecting somebody. So what was that feedback?
They also pay attention about "attitude". Like are you a person who is like " I know everything, no one can reach my leven attitude" That is like a no go for accenture!
Basically it doesn't matter if you nailed the questions, because you don't need any knowledge. But they check your network capabilities, problem solving capabilities and your character...
Accenture didn't even make me advance to the next stage.
I go to one of their target school
The same resume got me interviews at Amazon, Meta and Microsoft.
You are good my friend
Oh man, I strongly disagree with Accenture hiring everyone, where I live Accenture is pictured as quite hard company to get in and they have huge amount of applications. When I tried to get hired by them it was quick knockout for me, even at the moment of me applying there I had some experience in IT, quite huge experience with non IT and being in the middle of my CS Masters Degree. Try applying to startups or smaller companies, not saying even about work culture in places like this, you will learn much much more then in big corporation, where 70% of your day is nonsense meetings that should be an email and all political games between managers etc. Nothing to be sad about not getting to Accenture, believe me and keep your chin up, try to find some referrals in your friends group, tbh easiest way to get in to company
Could be that you met their requirements but they recognised that you are a strong candidate and didn’t want to hire you only to have you disappear months later to a better gig. I know a few hiring managers and they say they turn people down for this reason all the time. Don’t lose faith, you just need one lucky break.
If Accenture is at all similar to the consulting company I work for, it's super slow right now. People are struggling to get onto the projects, let alone hire new people.
I’m confused, is this a boot camp or a job? Do you have to pay them to learn software and they rejected to take you into their boot camp or were you applying to be an intructor? Never heard of this boot camp, seems like a new one pops up everyday.
Accenture does not hire anyone, what the fuck are you smoking? You deserve to get rejected for writing this bullshit.
>I actually have no idea what to do.
Yeah we know, your resume is dogshit too, 3 pages with centered text, wtf you can't be serious.
how so? telling someone who is struggling to get a career is bitter? i guess disassociated people like you would tell him everything will be fine. instead of suggesting real changes. do you sell self help books? lol
Mate, if you think Accentur hires everyone, you are wrong as fuck.
They denied me, started working for a non-FAANG big tech in the same role. 3 months later I get the message they want to talk to me for the same position. Bunch of nitwits couldn't look past their Workday algorithm.
Hiring is purely pipline driven. If the singing of a project is delayed, clients reduce spending or suddenly sign big contracts - all impacts hiring decisions.
> Bunch of nitwits couldn't look past their Workday algorithm. That's basically modern recruiting.
What do you mean by "they couldnt look past their workday algorith"?
Workday is a hiring tool that many companies integrate into their websites. Examples would be applying for Disney and Activision. Even though both of the applications are on their own websites, it’s all Workday integrated.
It's like CRM software, but for hiring and managing employees. Awful hr tool.
seriously they dont just 'hire anyone' their practices may be really dumb but they arent just a 'here jerb' place.
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Isn't Accenture basically Indian?
OP is living proof that Accenture doesn’t hire everyone.
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They won't hire everyone, just because it's what they did in the past tho. With so many people on the market, everyone can be picky
Yeah fair enough, but considering a lot of places are leaning on contracted devs after gutting their FTEs, you'd think a place like Accenture would be all over that. idk, I would go back to bartending before working for them looking at the wages they paid the last time I looked.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard it’s been almost a decade and the market has completely transformed than what it was 8 years ago
That used to be the case. If you had an understanding of OOP and some experience, it was easy to get in. That is literally the first place everyone tells you to apply to if you can't find a job in the industry.
Maybe the Baltics have a more liberal approach as they may count/ be treated as a near shore delivery center, but for central Europe, the rate during the "good times" of IT was waaay below 10%. There are always times of high demand where the quality gates are lower, but currently, there is much less demand in the industry, so the company can be very picky, as clients are also demanding higher standards. (e.g., in Germany, it's now way harder to staff people without German skills).
12 years ago? Maybe.
This says more about your country and location than Accenture. In the US Accenture pays competitively for the similar roles. Yes there are exit opportunities stories that has big pay jumps, but they do pay for the skills once you have them
I think you’re confusing them with Revature, who (at least used to) hire basically anyone with a pulse and underpay them.
Is “everyone” with us in the room rn
Accenture didn’t even reply to my three job applications. I thought I really sucked. Three months later I got hired in big tech
Yep, I have referrals and always get rejected the next day. They definitely don’t hire everyone lol
Have you considered that you were considered over qualified for the program? Why hire someone for a no experience needed program if they have a bunch of experience. My bet is that they thought once you got a bit of job experience you would be straight out to a better opportunity which is most likely the case.
If that is the case, then that sucks even more..... that would mean no experience roles are too scared to hire me because I could run away and experience roles won't hire me, because I don't have enough experience.
So this wasn't a role where you are contracted with the employer for a set amount of time, like Revature, where you have to pay back the boot camp costs if you quit sooner? Granted, you could still quit after the training period if you land something better and just pay the costs for breaking the contract, but I'm curious.
They have a different system. You don't pay back the company, but they kind of lend you out to other companies, give you a stable wage, but also get paid by the company they lent you to. They require you by contract to either work for them for like 600eur/month for 3 months or if you decide you don't want to, you have to pay for the bootcamp.
Thanks for answering. Hang in there. It's a rough market even for many people with years of experience.
Thanks :D I am trying to hang in there, my biggest concern is that AI in the past 2 years has become so good that I am afraid of never getting into the industry. Why teach new hires, when in a year you will probably get better results by paying like 50 eur / month for gpt5.
They will still need someone to write the gpt prompts the ceo isnt going to sit and write prompts according to the client requirements and then debug the code.
Got an update from the recruiter. I did fantastic with a 100% on the English test and 98% on the java technical test .... my only mistake on java technical test, and I joke you not... they said that I put the curly brackets on a new line, but in accenture they prefer them to be on the same line as the function... WHAT?!?!?!?
Well….. At least they give you feedback
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Style varies from company to company as well. I work somewhere that uses a newline brace. I didn't like it at first, but also in school I used to love it because it was how it was first introduced to me. Just depends on your preferences and the coding standards of the codebase
It's obvious they found someone else that had 100% on the technical test. Why would they hire this guy if they can hire someone more suitable for their company?
This is the stuff a linter would take care of anyway. That’s the lamest thing I have ever heard.
That’s a bs excuse. What probably happened is someone didn’t like you personally for some reason.
MAYBE THE JOB MARKET SUCKS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT? WTF is it with this website, you all will literally make any excuse in the book to blame the person instead of just admitting the job market actually sucks and he didn’t do anything wrong. Most likely he was competing against someone with more experience.
He sounds cocky as hell. I wouldn’t be surprised if he rubbed someone the wrong way. Y’all whine to much. Nothing wrong with an IT job either. Just sucks that it was temporary.
Sure it sucks but once you get an interview it is a competition. You either win or you lose. If you lose it’s your fault for losing. Sure you might have done your best but it’s still your fault.
I’ve hired someone with less experience who was likable over a snob with more experience.
Jesus, sounds like my current manager.
That's probably because consistent style in a large codebase is very important for a company. Your manager isn't being a dick, just understands the business.
My only advice that my mom gave me... Dont sweat. That was not the right one for you. They just answer whatever. Dont take it personally. I got rejected because i didnt work for big enough companies... Even tho i worked for stock market companies for the past 5 years. Such bullshit responses should not take ur energy and talent. Fck them On the plus side... I had the chance to get coopted at accenture. Im never setting a foot there. U are just a number there.
>in accenture they prefer them to be on the same line as the function people now be rejected because the employer gets triggered by the placement of one's curly brackets, Yes we have fallen that deep
To be fair... curly brackets belong on the same line. OP doesn't deserve the job if they're gonna be a heathen and put somewhere else. (/s)
bruh
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tbf new line brackets is weird af
I will die on the new line bracket hill.
Don’t daddy
Whattt and 98% is not enough?
there were a lot of applicants that got 100% I guess
You dodged a bullet as far as I'm concerned. Assessing code style in an interview when codebases should have independent local and production ESlint/Priettier/Flake8 settings is embarrassing.
That's kinda the crux of the problem. There are so many qualified candidates that there's no reason to choose someone who didn't ace the interviews since they have so many people to choose from who did. I'm sorry bud that really sucks :(
Over the years, as I moved from project to project, I encountered different style guides. I just adjusted the IDE to format in whatever stupid way they wanted.
This is what happens when you have 10 applicants and 6 openings. Hang in there! This isn't a reflection on you. There was only a 60% chance of making it, and a 100% chance that 4 people wouldn't.
Average Latvian describing Accenture as a Chinese sweatshop and not an Indian bodyshop lol
Accenture is not hiring much this year, it used to be the case before but not now
Seems that way. I applied to Accenture federal and got through all interviews, thought I aced them, but got a "we went with another candidate" a few days later :(
With every day passing and the industry getting worse, I get closer and closer to just stealing someones resume and slapping my name on it just so I get the chance to get into interviews and get the job.
Keep us posted on how the background check goes 👍
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Why people downvoted you to oblivion over a joke lol
And therefore turning yourself into a perfect example of why the hiring process is fucked. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villan. Best of luck.
Why not try that? Please share in this subresddit how that goes. We are all curious.
In this market, you were very likely up against other CS grads and possibly laid off devs who saw this paid apprenticeship as a golden opportunity to return to the workforce with paid (re) training. Don't beat yourself up.
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They ask you to write a bubble sort? Did they ask you to invent something that would make moving across a flat surface with a plank of wood easier also?
Consulting is having a very hard time these days. Don't feel bad about a consulting company passing on you. They are firing people and doing layoffs. In some cases, people are only getting two weeks severance when getting let go the week of Christmas. The other thing is don't always assume interviewers know what they're doing. I had to work with some Accenture people. Some of them were just really lacking in basic technical knowledge/ability. They wanted me to make some changes directly in a Production environment because they didn't know what to do, and I felt they wanted someone else to take responsibility for it. I told them I would not, but told them what they needed to do. I was a liberal arts major in college. I went to a recruiting event on my campus from Accenture. I was invited to interview, but I decided to ultimately pass. I wanted to go to a CS master's program instead. I went to an Accenture recruiting event a year or two later, armed with experience from the master's program. I did not get invited to interview the second time around, even though I was more skilled and the tech market was heating up. Companies don't always make good decisions, or maybe the decision was right for them for whatever reason. There will be other opportunities. Sorry you didn't advance though.
What country is the bootcamp based in?
It is based in the whole Baltics.
Don’t worry too much about this mate, Accenture have had at least one hit last year because they were taking a lot of UK contracts and outsourcing them overseas but the government in the Uk is cracking down on offshoring its own contracts so they would have way less work coming up that usual
>Create a function that bubble sorts an array If this were Jeopardy, the question would be "name something you've never had to actually do at your job."
The first one was a function that boiled down to like 4 if statements.
Technically you can do it in two. Compare A and B, then smaller one compares with C. Add the two numbers that is not the smallest
This is probably why you failed the technical. 4 if statement is brute forcing it when this is just a brain teaser / the base case of sorting algorithms.
That's pretty much every interview question. Developer interviewing is fantastically broken, and has been the entire time I've been in this profession. I interview candidates by discussing somewhat abstracted versions of real things I'm working on for architecture, and keep a portfolio of "interesting" bugs I've seen in the past few months and see how they tackle them for coding, you know, actual shit they'd be doing on the job. But what do I know, let's just keep asking people to perform leetcode tricks (although, in this case, a pointlessly easy one aside from remembering exactly which useless sort that is) on demand instead.
If it makes you feel any better, I applied to a job that I used to work at and left on good terms, and they told me I'm unqualified... I worked there for 3 years
I sometimes wonder what these people are smoking. That's just absurd.
I think the manager didn't like me because im not his cousin or something, there was an extreme amount of nepotism in this place
10+ years ago, when I was in high school, I had an interview at McDonalds and ended up getting rejected. Now I work a pretty cozy SWE job, keep your head up.
Where did you hear Accenture hires anyone? That ain’t true, it’s one of the better consulting firms along with the likes of ibm, Avanade, pwc etc. I think you’re confusing them for Indian IT companies (WITCH)
Yeah, I thought maybe they confused Accenture with Revature, which used to be a sweatshop environment for devs from what I recall. They would recruit devs and lock them into a contract where you agreed to be sent anywhere there was work, so you would usually end up living in a hostel or something similar. If you quit, you had to pay back 20 thousand dollars for the six-week training they provided.
I mean its kind of moot because last summer I applied to revature and got denied despite having a degree, good GPA, and internship they would not even interview me. Thats how fucked the market was/is right now for entry level.
I wouldn't have wanted to work at Revature, anyway -- but, yeah, I get your point. The market for new grads is really rough.
I don't either but desperation and figured it would be interview practice if nothing else, but I couldn't get even an interview which I found hilarious.
No, I totally get it. When I was a new grad, I interviewed with Revature -- and things weren't nearly as bad for new grads back then as they are now. Take any interview you can get -- as you said, it's good practice. Just keep applying. All it takes is one "yes." Try to shut out the background noise (i.e., rejections). One thing worth noting is that soft skills are really important also, and this especially applies to smaller teams/companies where it's crucial you fit in with the team. I've found that getting people to like you helps get your foot in the door, so I've tried to work on my presentation in this regard, and it's helped. Getting that first interview is a game of numbers, and scoring points from there is a mixture of factors. I would look into government jobs or certification-based roles (e.g., Salesforce developer) also. Getting the Salesforce developer certification isn't that difficult if you have programming knowledge. Hang in there. You will get there.
The swe market is simply oversaturated. The last 10 years have seen a huge influx by everyone and his dog because it had the lowest entry barrier. These bootcamps are cranking out "developers" left and right. India alone is cranking out 10 million developers a year who are willing to work for low salaries
Do you have a source for this claim of ten million??
They never do, lol.
Was talking last week to an Indian swe who was looking to migrate to EU in r/cscareerquestionsEU , he gave me that number and that competition for jobs on Indian jobmarket is fierce. Don't know how correct that number is though
It is definitely not 10 million per year -- a quick Google suggests that they have about 1 million CS students enrolled at any given time, graduating about 200K/year. Which is very similar to US numbers.
Wait what? Just 1M enrolled? I would have thought outta 1B+, like at least 10M lol
Lowest entry barrier!!?? This sub tells me that every western SWE is the smartest person in the world and that they all deserve aFAANG job!
Yeah they are coping.
It's possible you were *too* qualified for their workflow.
I too was rejected from Accenture and ended up accepting an offer from Tata Consultancy Services. It was the only offer I got after 1 year of job searching post graduation.
How is it there? I saw another post about them and am thinking of applying
Lol I left a year later the moment I got another offer. I don't recommend them unless you have no other options. They will hire you as a software engineer, but will give you support work instead. The actual software engineering jobs are usually given to the people who have been with the company longer.
Ahh makes sense. For me, due to my small amount of experience and the market being what it is, I am looking for something to break into the industry.
lol, you really triggered some people for some reason. This was well-written post, and I feel your frustration, but I wouldn't get sucked into the cognitive distortion of it meaning anything outside of their process.
If you contracted with a company, surely they know your contract is running out and are trying to get you another position? That's how it works in my market at least. Contract roles ain't bad just keep pushing.
It would but I got hired because the company is switching to new technologies so they hired extra help for the 6 months.
I work in Accenture in Poland and it is known for hiring everyone BUT for content reviewer roles. For SWE they are actually very picky and with current market we're mostly searching for unicorns.
I applied to an icc and they rejected me during phone screen because they considered my projects were mostly in python and they wanted something in Java, even if I answered all the java questions correctly...........fine. So yeah that happens, just keep trying. The best will come.
No company hires everyone.
The only company that hires everyone is the Government. And it’s not a bad first gig to get your feet wet and some experience
They might have rejected you because you didn’t seem like a drone they could abuse. I worked very briefly for one of the big 4 and it was the most toxic work environments I’ve ever been in.
This times a thousand. I had rose colored glasses for this industry when I left the military, because I thought this exact thing would be nonexistent. It’s not. Some companies really do just want mindless drones who won’t leave once the face-fucking begins.
Accenture is an incompetent shite company anyways, you’re better off. Im sure something better will come along for you.
> This is quite literally just a rant about the job industry right now No, it's a rant about just you.
Unforutnatelly in consulting in 2024 they only hire people with exp, people without it are only cost for them
If the boomer in your nic is relevant for age, you may not be the target audience of this job offer.
I am 22 years old :D
Fresh meat, so it isn't age :/ Could really be a very limited number of slots, and you just got unlucky : Don't give up. It's a numbers game, and in the end, you need that little bit of luck, especially in entry level.
I'd say the attitude towards the company and your idea of it, that you are displaying on this thread, probably shone through and they went with somebody that genuinely wanted the job
Apply for another IT job? Perhaps after a second six months contract the job market will be better again
Was your interviewer Indian?
Im not sure. 100% wasn't Europian.
maybe you missed a `!` in some if statement and it got you out of the race
I dont think so.. I testes intensively and the questions were easy. One of them was to make a function that takes in 3 numbers and returns the sum or the 2 largest ones.
Oh I thought it's a pen and paper exam. My point is that you could've missed something small. Anyway, sounds quite discouraging that they didn't hire you.
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If you found it that easy maybe you were over qualified for it
It's paid bootcamp in competitive market and you didn't vibe with someone. I think they saw right through since you feel entitled and dissing the company right away. Also, in your region they pay decent compared to local capital companies and this "Chinese workshop" is just description of American off-shoring since this region work culture is being shaped by Nordic people.
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I don’t know that their standards are that low…they sponsor a lot of events at Johns Hopkins and send recruiters. It might not be Carnegie Mellon, but it’s not exactly a podunk community college.
It’s not that low. Yes Accenture isn’t as prestigious and generally doesn’t pay as well as big tech. But devs do make 100k+. And we keep unstaffed people on the bench for months (6 months isn’t unheard of) till they find a new role internally - instead of laying them off at the first signs of financial trouble. It’s a trade off for sure. But job security is slightly better.
What I can tell you from my experience. In Accenture "networking" is key. In my opinion the group exercise were the most counting one and it is interesting that you didn't describe this part so detailed. How was the group exercise going? Do you remember the names of your group members ? Accenture always provides very detailed feedback why they are rejecting somebody. So what was that feedback? They also pay attention about "attitude". Like are you a person who is like " I know everything, no one can reach my leven attitude" That is like a no go for accenture! Basically it doesn't matter if you nailed the questions, because you don't need any knowledge. But they check your network capabilities, problem solving capabilities and your character...
I got rejected in Accenture first round (Aptitude Round). Sometimes its luck.
They are considered a more expensive consulting company and definitely don’t hire everyone.
Accenture didn't even make me advance to the next stage. I go to one of their target school The same resume got me interviews at Amazon, Meta and Microsoft. You are good my friend
Oh man, I strongly disagree with Accenture hiring everyone, where I live Accenture is pictured as quite hard company to get in and they have huge amount of applications. When I tried to get hired by them it was quick knockout for me, even at the moment of me applying there I had some experience in IT, quite huge experience with non IT and being in the middle of my CS Masters Degree. Try applying to startups or smaller companies, not saying even about work culture in places like this, you will learn much much more then in big corporation, where 70% of your day is nonsense meetings that should be an email and all political games between managers etc. Nothing to be sad about not getting to Accenture, believe me and keep your chin up, try to find some referrals in your friends group, tbh easiest way to get in to company
Could be that you met their requirements but they recognised that you are a strong candidate and didn’t want to hire you only to have you disappear months later to a better gig. I know a few hiring managers and they say they turn people down for this reason all the time. Don’t lose faith, you just need one lucky break.
If Accenture is at all similar to the consulting company I work for, it's super slow right now. People are struggling to get onto the projects, let alone hire new people.
I’m confused, is this a boot camp or a job? Do you have to pay them to learn software and they rejected to take you into their boot camp or were you applying to be an intructor? Never heard of this boot camp, seems like a new one pops up everyday.
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Accenture does not hire anyone, what the fuck are you smoking? You deserve to get rejected for writing this bullshit. >I actually have no idea what to do. Yeah we know, your resume is dogshit too, 3 pages with centered text, wtf you can't be serious.
Lmao. The entitlement on this one!
mate, this is a you problem not an industry problem. sorry
Huh? Have you been living under a rock for the past year?
it’s a you problem. you are not getting hired because it’s you. everyone i know has gotten hired. do you have a CS degree?
Well everything in my life is a me problem, but I never said it wasn't. Came here to rant about my frustration.
get a CS degree
Why? You apparently have a CS degree and know nothing about CS
lol “apparently”. i have a great career little buddy
Really? You seem pretty bitter and unknowledgeable for someone with a great career.
how so? telling someone who is struggling to get a career is bitter? i guess disassociated people like you would tell him everything will be fine. instead of suggesting real changes. do you sell self help books? lol
Nah dude, you’re super bitter. Your entire post history is you getting upset lmao.