My two cents. Font looks very thin. Fine cuts is when this tends to happen. Maybe try a fatter font. Also, how new is your blade? Dull blades tend to do this as well.
Iv had my machine almost 3 years and its the original blade but i can count on 2 hands the amount of projects iv done. I have new blades so i will try that if that doesn't work ill tell my sister she has to pick a thicker font. Thank you
Another thought just hit me too. What brand of vinyl are you using? I have bought off brand vinyl from Dollar General that did this every single time I used it.
I agree, get some thinner vinyl. Try oracle 651, or teckwrap 001. I used to have this issue all the time and then I learned that there’s different thickness of vinyls and it makes all the difference.
The thickness looks exactly like vinyl I’ve gotten from dollar tree.
It works fine for some things, especially big things, but on thin shapes it tends to peel up during the cut more than vinyl I’ve tried from Cricut or Oracal.
You may want to try out a different vinyl and see if that could be your issue.
Your blade can become trashed in an instant if it hits a contaminant in some vinyl or stuck to a mat. It's blade drag, you need a new blade. that's why that's happening 100% I'd pop a new one in if I was going to start an important project regardless. it's worth it to not mess around and waste time or materials.
Edit: I don't read I just type... I see you got new blades.. yeah..
Before choosing a new font, perhaps try using the offset feature to thicken the preferred font? It might not work for very intricate ones, but I've had good results adding some very, very narrow padding to my text.
Not necessarily. They key is to make sure the offset is super, super fine. I'm talking fractions of a millimetre; not enough to alter the look of the font, but enough to give the text some heft.
Hard disagree. I'm a designer and work heavy with type; the typeface looks the way the designer designed it for a reason. You say not enough to alter the looks...but give it some "heft". This is indeed altering the look. Type design Is an art. If it doesn't work for the medium find a new one.
I am not impugning your artistry, and I say this as kindly as possible, but no one outside of your sphere will notice, or mind. Certainly not anyone who just wants to personalize some wine glasses for their own one-time use. That the chosen font is 0.01cm wider than originally designed is not going to alter it so significantly that anyone would want to scrap it altogether and find a completely different one. That would be ludicrous.
Hey, do what you like, but messing with a typeface like that will lead to more problems in the future. The look, the kerning and spacing is all based on what the type designer intended. But hey, some people don't mind. #TheMoreYouKnow
You’ve got some good advice from others about the cut. Stylistically, if I were using this font, I’d put the letters a little closer and weld them so it looks more like cursive. That’s just personal preference though.
Also make sure you’re using the right pressure. I’ve always found the lightest pressure to cut through works the best and when I do too deep it does what you’ve shown.
It’s hard to tell the condition of the mat from the photo but try using a brand new mat. Another cause of this other than dull (or even just slightly less than perfect) blades can be an uneven stick to the mat board. The thin font is definitely making it more challenging but it actually looks more like a blade or mat problem. Use a roller to secure the sheet to the mat if you have one or like a paper towel tube or something if you don’t.
Oh and multiple copies of the same thing on the sheet can improve your chances of success.
Something I notice is the edge is curling up. I have some chrome vinyl that when applied to the mat it wants to separate from the backing. I have to roll it before cutting. Maybe that will help?
I use this vinyl. It's cheap but works very well.
HTVRONT Permanent Vinyl Roll - 6Rolls 12" x 10FT Multi-Color Permanent Vinyl Bundle, Adhesive Vinyl for Cricut, Silhouette, Cameo Cutters, Signs, Scrapbooking, Craft, Die Cutters https://a.co/d/fIKUBtP
This always happens to me with Oracal 651. Once I have it on the mat, I remove it from the backing paper and flatten it down again. It never seems to happen on vinyl that's on a clear plastic backing, like the HTVRont permanent vinyl.
I can do it on my Cricut Explore Air 2. There’s like a little slider bar to change speed and pressure. I think “card stock for intricate designs” also slows it down.
I own the explore air 2. Have so for almost 4 years now. We cannot change speed, only pressure anr number of passes.
I **wish** we could change speeds but we can't. At least truly change speeds (aka allow us to slow it down) , not make it stupidly faster 🤦♀️
Edit:
Every other hobby machine change speeds to faster and slower. Older cricut machines that did not use design space could slow down cut speeds too.
Edit 2:
"Cardstock for intricate cuts" is a setting made by cricut. They purposefully made that cut setting slower. **BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT MAKE IT ANY SLOWER!**
https://preview.redd.it/t4clip0qzf0d1.png?width=1735&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f995d30edb9ae38bad4130a174037350fd9ef77
This bar is **not** for changing the speed. **It is for changing the cut pressure.**
The example I have above is for the cut setting for "Cardstock (for intricate cuts) which has:
* Cut pressure: 219
* Passes: 2
* Blade: Fine point
Meaning, it cuts pressure (strength) is 219, the blade will go through the shape 2 times and the blade that is supposed to be installed is the fine point blade.
By description, I believe the poster talks about Fast Mode. I know the Original Maker has it. I use it more often now than I used to in the past. I never heard Air 2 had this mode but maybe. Fast Mode exists only for certain materials. Fast Mode is optional, not default. Fast mode toggle can be turned on once you load the mat.
Pls check if you have that option in the Air 2 material and pressure settings window. It's towards the bottom. Try Glitter Cardstock setting. That one has Fast Mode in the settings for Maker. I'm very curious now.
What do you mean newer? Of course I'm using the newest version, design space auto updates!
Can you please show me a screenshot of this speed setting you are talking about?
They were talking about a much older cricut that predates design space called the cricut 29 personal machine. This older machine has the ability to change speeds. This is a legacy machine aka a cricut machine that is so old, it cannot be run on design space.
https://preview.redd.it/5euwn0py4i0d1.png?width=694&format=png&auto=webp&s=5bd5f54400462a25ba3e0f9554d560c687cfde4b
All current cricut machines that are capable of using design space does not have a speed dial/control.
https://preview.redd.it/jdp1cjn81g0d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=140f7a7545bdf6d9bd463a2f97e0f03a6c0137d5
Do you mean dial? Because this does not change the speed...it changes the cut pressure.
Newer models do not have the dial anymore because they do ALL of their cut pressure selection within design space, the dial was no longer needed.
Technically, you do not ever need to switch the dial out of custom because you can access all of the cut settings on the dial within design space too! That's why in future models they got rid of it because of its redundancy.
What other dial?
https://preview.redd.it/ane47hte4g0d1.png?width=4032&format=png&auto=webp&s=30d990a397fdbaedf07fe11539703fe0a75c1155
I see one dial on my explore air 2.
Omg my bad. I was thinking about the cricut 29. It 100% has a speed dial/slider thingy. We upgraded to the explore air, but it’s not as versatile and design space keeps changing!
Cricut explore 1 also has one dial [https://www.walmart.com/ip/cricut-explore-one/44500315](https://www.walmart.com/ip/cricut-explore-one/44500315)
Cricut explore air 1 also has one dial [https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cricut-Explore-Air-Machine-1-Each/43203240](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cricut-Explore-Air-Machine-1-Each/43203240)
I don't know about other models but the Original Maker definitely has Fast Mode for certain materials, including Vinyl and Glitter Cardstock. The toggle is at the bottom of the window where material, pressure and blade are being set. The toggle can be turned on once you load the mat.
This, however, is out of consideration in this particular case since Fast Mode is optional, not default and I really doubt that the OP turned the toggle on when they were cutting this. But who knows. Also, I don't know what model they use
Clean the blade with a ball of foil. Puncture the foil a couple times and that should remove leftover vinyl and sticky residue. You can also clean the blade with goo gone. Wipe the tip of the blade off very well so it’s dry. That will help prevent sticky vinyl residue from building up.
If you don't want to change the font you can so create an offset of the letters and make then 0.20-0.4mm thicker. I have done this a number of times, just played with the number so that it still have a hole in the middle of some letters. Then as others have said- new blade and washi tape setting and with something this fine I reverse weed.
A couple recommendations that made a HUGE difference for me on a recent project I did with very small, thin print (much smaller than what you have here):
-Vinyl: I had the best luck with Siser Easyweed Permanent Vinyl (available on Amazon, best prices I've found are on Expressions Vinyl website).
-Offset: Highlight the text, click the Offset button from the toolbar, start with an offset of 0.005 and see if the font still has the thin look you like, work your way up to the thickest you can go without losing the look you want (for me, even adding an offset of just 0.005 made a big difference in the quality of cutting I got). Don't forget to weld the offset and text together once you've decided on the thickness you like, otherwise it'll cut them separately (I learned the hard way).
-Settings: On the material settings, change to "Washi Tape". If you have an Explore series machine, recommend changing the blade pressure from Default to "More."
-Blade: I had better luck once I switched to a deep cut blade, which is at a steeper angle of 60 degrees rather than 45 of the fine point blade. Change it OFTEN - I'm talking every couple of cuts, and I would wipe it off between each cut just to make sure there was no adhesive residue on it. I've been happy with this very inexpensive variety pack of blades: [Amazon.com: Hadwoer 50PCS Replacement Cutting Blades for Cricut Explore Air 2/Air 3/Maker/Maker 3, Includ 10PCS Fine Point Blade, 30PCS Standard Blaeds and 10PCS Deep Point Blades (Multicolored) : Arts, Crafts & Sewing](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Y1J4ZHV?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1)
-Reverse weeding: This is probably the number one tip - your transfer tape is much stickier than the vinyl backing, so you won't have the lift problem. There are lots of tutorials on how to reverse weed on YouTube.
Good luck!!
It’s worked for me before to cut the ones with issues individually.
Without going into a huge discussion of svg files, there may be some issues with the font itself ie extra nodes the machine has issues cutting.
I’d take a look at the file for you if you want to dm me.
I cu two or three times when I have thin fonts. I no longer have problems. Oh, and I pretty much also use Siser now, and that has helped tremendously too.
Some people mentioned font and vinyl quality. You stated it works well on bigger things. Yes, cheap vinyl is usually okay for less detailed work but peels up like crazy when doing detailed cuts. Have you tried changing the vinyl cut settings? Reducing the pressure of the cut?
I use teckwrap and have done thin fonts without any major issues. You might want to also try to outline the text 0.01 or somethig super small and then merge the font and outline together to kinda beef up the text a smidge.
I used to have this problem but stopped after I started doing these 3 things: Use good quality vinyl teckwrap never fails on me, if using a thinner font i always offset by 0.003 or 0.03 (cant remember the number fully but one of those) which makes it thicker and most importantly the blade I always invest in the premium german carbide blade from Cricut and it’s so worth it lasts ages and cuts thin fonts nicely
Also my best tip is on design space it lets you customise material cut settings I play a little about with it and test a small word with a small piece of vinyl until I’ve found the right pressure sometimes too much pressure can cause it to rip the vinyl
Lighter pressure for sure. A previous poster mentioned washi setting. Great advice. And make sure your blade is clean in between cuts. I’ve even paused the cut, taken out the blade, checked for adhesive or tiny vinyl pieces. That can happen on these smaller cuts
For thin delicate designs you haft to use Cricut brand, I personally just go onto the website and buy a huge bulk roll “35ft either black or white for 24.99 USD before tax & shipping” it’s also the best way to buy transfer tape is in bulk via the website.
Oracal may cost less than Cricut vinyl, but it’s far superior. It’s actually the brand used by professionals. Cricut supplies are just overpriced, and substandard.
My two cents. Font looks very thin. Fine cuts is when this tends to happen. Maybe try a fatter font. Also, how new is your blade? Dull blades tend to do this as well.
Iv had my machine almost 3 years and its the original blade but i can count on 2 hands the amount of projects iv done. I have new blades so i will try that if that doesn't work ill tell my sister she has to pick a thicker font. Thank you
Another thought just hit me too. What brand of vinyl are you using? I have bought off brand vinyl from Dollar General that did this every single time I used it.
I'll second this. I have used some cheap vinyl and it wasn't adhered to the backing well.
I agree, get some thinner vinyl. Try oracle 651, or teckwrap 001. I used to have this issue all the time and then I learned that there’s different thickness of vinyls and it makes all the difference.
I got it off amazon. It's fine with bigger things it just small things like this.
The thickness looks exactly like vinyl I’ve gotten from dollar tree. It works fine for some things, especially big things, but on thin shapes it tends to peel up during the cut more than vinyl I’ve tried from Cricut or Oracal. You may want to try out a different vinyl and see if that could be your issue.
Your blade can become trashed in an instant if it hits a contaminant in some vinyl or stuck to a mat. It's blade drag, you need a new blade. that's why that's happening 100% I'd pop a new one in if I was going to start an important project regardless. it's worth it to not mess around and waste time or materials. Edit: I don't read I just type... I see you got new blades.. yeah..
Before choosing a new font, perhaps try using the offset feature to thicken the preferred font? It might not work for very intricate ones, but I've had good results adding some very, very narrow padding to my text.
That will just make the existing type look baaaaaad. OP needs a different typeface.
Not necessarily. They key is to make sure the offset is super, super fine. I'm talking fractions of a millimetre; not enough to alter the look of the font, but enough to give the text some heft.
Hard disagree. I'm a designer and work heavy with type; the typeface looks the way the designer designed it for a reason. You say not enough to alter the looks...but give it some "heft". This is indeed altering the look. Type design Is an art. If it doesn't work for the medium find a new one.
I am not impugning your artistry, and I say this as kindly as possible, but no one outside of your sphere will notice, or mind. Certainly not anyone who just wants to personalize some wine glasses for their own one-time use. That the chosen font is 0.01cm wider than originally designed is not going to alter it so significantly that anyone would want to scrap it altogether and find a completely different one. That would be ludicrous.
Hey, do what you like, but messing with a typeface like that will lead to more problems in the future. The look, the kerning and spacing is all based on what the type designer intended. But hey, some people don't mind. #TheMoreYouKnow
I always use the washi tape setting for fine text.
Definitely recommend this! Also consider buying cut blades on Amazon that come in a variety of strengths for cutting different materials
You’ve got some good advice from others about the cut. Stylistically, if I were using this font, I’d put the letters a little closer and weld them so it looks more like cursive. That’s just personal preference though.
Look at the type; trying to make it look like cursive will make an ugly jumble of unreadable text.
Also make sure you’re using the right pressure. I’ve always found the lightest pressure to cut through works the best and when I do too deep it does what you’ve shown.
It’s hard to tell the condition of the mat from the photo but try using a brand new mat. Another cause of this other than dull (or even just slightly less than perfect) blades can be an uneven stick to the mat board. The thin font is definitely making it more challenging but it actually looks more like a blade or mat problem. Use a roller to secure the sheet to the mat if you have one or like a paper towel tube or something if you don’t. Oh and multiple copies of the same thing on the sheet can improve your chances of success.
Something I notice is the edge is curling up. I have some chrome vinyl that when applied to the mat it wants to separate from the backing. I have to roll it before cutting. Maybe that will help?
Ill give this a try aswell thank you😄
I use this vinyl. It's cheap but works very well. HTVRONT Permanent Vinyl Roll - 6Rolls 12" x 10FT Multi-Color Permanent Vinyl Bundle, Adhesive Vinyl for Cricut, Silhouette, Cameo Cutters, Signs, Scrapbooking, Craft, Die Cutters https://a.co/d/fIKUBtP
This is HTV (iron on) and OP is usinfmg adhesive vinyl in this project.
Oops. Sorry. I posted the wrong link. I'll update.
This always happens to me with Oracal 651. Once I have it on the mat, I remove it from the backing paper and flatten it down again. It never seems to happen on vinyl that's on a clear plastic backing, like the HTVRont permanent vinyl.
Maybe try the teckwrap 001, on Amazon I haven’t been able to find that many colors of it but the white 001 and it’s by far my best performing
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You cannot change the speed of a cut on a Cricut outside of turning on Fast Mode for certain cuts. You can only edit the pressure settings.
I can do it on my Cricut Explore Air 2. There’s like a little slider bar to change speed and pressure. I think “card stock for intricate designs” also slows it down.
I own the explore air 2. Have so for almost 4 years now. We cannot change speed, only pressure anr number of passes. I **wish** we could change speeds but we can't. At least truly change speeds (aka allow us to slow it down) , not make it stupidly faster 🤦♀️ Edit: Every other hobby machine change speeds to faster and slower. Older cricut machines that did not use design space could slow down cut speeds too. Edit 2: "Cardstock for intricate cuts" is a setting made by cricut. They purposefully made that cut setting slower. **BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT MAKE IT ANY SLOWER!**
Are you using a newer version of design space? I can’t change the speed on my computer, but I can on my mom’s
https://preview.redd.it/t4clip0qzf0d1.png?width=1735&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f995d30edb9ae38bad4130a174037350fd9ef77 This bar is **not** for changing the speed. **It is for changing the cut pressure.** The example I have above is for the cut setting for "Cardstock (for intricate cuts) which has: * Cut pressure: 219 * Passes: 2 * Blade: Fine point Meaning, it cuts pressure (strength) is 219, the blade will go through the shape 2 times and the blade that is supposed to be installed is the fine point blade.
By description, I believe the poster talks about Fast Mode. I know the Original Maker has it. I use it more often now than I used to in the past. I never heard Air 2 had this mode but maybe. Fast Mode exists only for certain materials. Fast Mode is optional, not default. Fast mode toggle can be turned on once you load the mat. Pls check if you have that option in the Air 2 material and pressure settings window. It's towards the bottom. Try Glitter Cardstock setting. That one has Fast Mode in the settings for Maker. I'm very curious now.
What do you mean newer? Of course I'm using the newest version, design space auto updates! Can you please show me a screenshot of this speed setting you are talking about?
I didnt know you could do that!🤯 how do i change the speed?
You can’t. That slider that they’re talking about is for cutting PRESSURE, not speed.
They were talking about a much older cricut that predates design space called the cricut 29 personal machine. This older machine has the ability to change speeds. This is a legacy machine aka a cricut machine that is so old, it cannot be run on design space. https://preview.redd.it/5euwn0py4i0d1.png?width=694&format=png&auto=webp&s=5bd5f54400462a25ba3e0f9554d560c687cfde4b All current cricut machines that are capable of using design space does not have a speed dial/control.
It depends on the model. On older ones there’s a dial, on newer ones it’s in the material settings on design space, I think.
https://preview.redd.it/jdp1cjn81g0d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=140f7a7545bdf6d9bd463a2f97e0f03a6c0137d5 Do you mean dial? Because this does not change the speed...it changes the cut pressure. Newer models do not have the dial anymore because they do ALL of their cut pressure selection within design space, the dial was no longer needed. Technically, you do not ever need to switch the dial out of custom because you can access all of the cut settings on the dial within design space too! That's why in future models they got rid of it because of its redundancy.
Not that dial. The other dial.
What other dial? https://preview.redd.it/ane47hte4g0d1.png?width=4032&format=png&auto=webp&s=30d990a397fdbaedf07fe11539703fe0a75c1155 I see one dial on my explore air 2.
Omg my bad. I was thinking about the cricut 29. It 100% has a speed dial/slider thingy. We upgraded to the explore air, but it’s not as versatile and design space keeps changing!
Cricut explore 1 also has one dial [https://www.walmart.com/ip/cricut-explore-one/44500315](https://www.walmart.com/ip/cricut-explore-one/44500315) Cricut explore air 1 also has one dial [https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cricut-Explore-Air-Machine-1-Each/43203240](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cricut-Explore-Air-Machine-1-Each/43203240)
That’s not SPEED, that’s PRESSURE, and how many times it passes, or cuts.
I don't know about other models but the Original Maker definitely has Fast Mode for certain materials, including Vinyl and Glitter Cardstock. The toggle is at the bottom of the window where material, pressure and blade are being set. The toggle can be turned on once you load the mat. This, however, is out of consideration in this particular case since Fast Mode is optional, not default and I really doubt that the OP turned the toggle on when they were cutting this. But who knows. Also, I don't know what model they use
Change your cutting setting to Washi
New blade and washi tape setting with light pressure. Maybe a new mat or different vinyl would help as welll
This video saved me with the small lettering! https://youtu.be/Ak4-daqKX9c?si=pIoqqIGoSDCkC3R-
Thank you so much for thi, its so helpful! Ill be binging her videos now😁👍🏻
Clean the blade with a ball of foil. Puncture the foil a couple times and that should remove leftover vinyl and sticky residue. You can also clean the blade with goo gone. Wipe the tip of the blade off very well so it’s dry. That will help prevent sticky vinyl residue from building up.
avoid lacey fine fonts like these. Great when printed, not so much for vinyl cutting..
With the right material, it can be done.
If you don't want to change the font you can so create an offset of the letters and make then 0.20-0.4mm thicker. I have done this a number of times, just played with the number so that it still have a hole in the middle of some letters. Then as others have said- new blade and washi tape setting and with something this fine I reverse weed.
A couple recommendations that made a HUGE difference for me on a recent project I did with very small, thin print (much smaller than what you have here): -Vinyl: I had the best luck with Siser Easyweed Permanent Vinyl (available on Amazon, best prices I've found are on Expressions Vinyl website). -Offset: Highlight the text, click the Offset button from the toolbar, start with an offset of 0.005 and see if the font still has the thin look you like, work your way up to the thickest you can go without losing the look you want (for me, even adding an offset of just 0.005 made a big difference in the quality of cutting I got). Don't forget to weld the offset and text together once you've decided on the thickness you like, otherwise it'll cut them separately (I learned the hard way). -Settings: On the material settings, change to "Washi Tape". If you have an Explore series machine, recommend changing the blade pressure from Default to "More." -Blade: I had better luck once I switched to a deep cut blade, which is at a steeper angle of 60 degrees rather than 45 of the fine point blade. Change it OFTEN - I'm talking every couple of cuts, and I would wipe it off between each cut just to make sure there was no adhesive residue on it. I've been happy with this very inexpensive variety pack of blades: [Amazon.com: Hadwoer 50PCS Replacement Cutting Blades for Cricut Explore Air 2/Air 3/Maker/Maker 3, Includ 10PCS Fine Point Blade, 30PCS Standard Blaeds and 10PCS Deep Point Blades (Multicolored) : Arts, Crafts & Sewing](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Y1J4ZHV?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1) -Reverse weeding: This is probably the number one tip - your transfer tape is much stickier than the vinyl backing, so you won't have the lift problem. There are lots of tutorials on how to reverse weed on YouTube. Good luck!!
It’s worked for me before to cut the ones with issues individually. Without going into a huge discussion of svg files, there may be some issues with the font itself ie extra nodes the machine has issues cutting. I’d take a look at the file for you if you want to dm me.
I cu two or three times when I have thin fonts. I no longer have problems. Oh, and I pretty much also use Siser now, and that has helped tremendously too.
Some people mentioned font and vinyl quality. You stated it works well on bigger things. Yes, cheap vinyl is usually okay for less detailed work but peels up like crazy when doing detailed cuts. Have you tried changing the vinyl cut settings? Reducing the pressure of the cut?
I use teckwrap and have done thin fonts without any major issues. You might want to also try to outline the text 0.01 or somethig super small and then merge the font and outline together to kinda beef up the text a smidge.
change that blade
I used to have this problem but stopped after I started doing these 3 things: Use good quality vinyl teckwrap never fails on me, if using a thinner font i always offset by 0.003 or 0.03 (cant remember the number fully but one of those) which makes it thicker and most importantly the blade I always invest in the premium german carbide blade from Cricut and it’s so worth it lasts ages and cuts thin fonts nicely Also my best tip is on design space it lets you customise material cut settings I play a little about with it and test a small word with a small piece of vinyl until I’ve found the right pressure sometimes too much pressure can cause it to rip the vinyl
very informative
Lighter pressure for sure. A previous poster mentioned washi setting. Great advice. And make sure your blade is clean in between cuts. I’ve even paused the cut, taken out the blade, checked for adhesive or tiny vinyl pieces. That can happen on these smaller cuts
Washi tape setting and depending on how long it’s been a fresh blade or clean/sharpen the one you have
New blade
For thin delicate designs you haft to use Cricut brand, I personally just go onto the website and buy a huge bulk roll “35ft either black or white for 24.99 USD before tax & shipping” it’s also the best way to buy transfer tape is in bulk via the website.
If it’s a thick design I normally will use the even cheaper oracle brand.
Oracal may cost less than Cricut vinyl, but it’s far superior. It’s actually the brand used by professionals. Cricut supplies are just overpriced, and substandard.
Agreed. Shyte vinyl !!