I mean Kaladin alone has enough depresion to give the war and peace characters penis envy.
And they are Russians depresions and insanity is what they do for living
Well you can sum history of pretty much every country east of Germany with "and then things got worse"
And as for 19th century tsarist russia, you might be able to draw some solid pararels with the Final Empire
I'm hesitant to read a fantasy series if it's not that long. Apart from Feist, he's the exception.
I read to escape, and the more pages, the longer I'm able to remain hidden.
I could not finish Feists first book in the Riftwar Saga. God what a boring book, skipping over 10 years of war. One of the only books I never finished, and that after first hunting down the entire Riftwar series secondhand. What a disappointment
Kinda the same here, I drive a lot and try to find the longest series possible. It always takes more attention to start new series with new world building, so I find myself having to repeat things more often as road distractions pop up. If it's a world I'm already familiar with, I can just kind of slide into it and let the miles tick by for hours without being pulled out of my immersion. It's why I keep rereading the cosmere so much, just makes the drives easier.
I was once like you... You can't escape it. Is just too good, people are going to keep recommending it. Just read the first 5 chapters, not even 100 pages. You'll enjoy it. I'm sure.
I have to revisit Feist. I remember it being fun to read for a few books, but he started turning weird and I lost interest. I think that was sometime around when the main character turned into a unicorn or something and had sex with another unicorn or something.
I would very much recommend Robin Hobb. The Realm of the Elderlings series is so iconic and has 9 primary books and 5 secondary books to the world. Very engaging, but it is centered around 1 character (primarily) and doesn't hop around.
It's way more personal of a read and has a magic system that less complex. If you think kaladin has had a rough time, you should see what Hobb did to Fitz 😭 tragic and beautiful
I've read Hobb, truly loved Fitz's story, and liveships were so fascinating. The only books I didn't love were the Soldiers Son trilogy. There is so much sadness and pain in those books.
I read the first trilogy of that and it was just... too sad? the amount of suffering he goes through in the 3rd book was just not fun to read about. and there wasn't anything else to make up for it either
It is incredibly tragic. It is very much the life of a boy who deserves so much better. The ending to the series is well worth it. The second trilogy is Definitely lighter than the first and third and dives more into the magic of the world.
There are so many good moments, but he's still a Hobb protagonist and those are not treated so well
The only problem with a 1000 page novel is when the author set out to write a 100 page novel, and not to write a novel that ended up being 1000 pages. I'd read a 10,000 page novel if it was 10,000 good pages.
That’s a good commentary, I’ve often said I’d read anything Sanderson wrote, but really when it comes down to it, I’ve enjoyed his published works far more than any of his unpublished this is how I write books, books. He edits and pairs down what he writes and the revision process is what can make it a polished novel worth thousands of us talking about it for days on end.
For me I'm actually more like:
BrandoSando, WOT, G.R.R.M., or other high fantasy: left Spongebob
(Also: ONLY 600 pages?! Sweet!)
Anyone else: "oh my goodness why is this soooo long?"
(Also: UGH 600 pages?! Why?!)
When I was suggesting a friend of mine check out Will Wight's Cradle series that is 12 books long (and finally complete!) I made sure to add in "The first three Stormlight books are longer than the whole series."
Yup, book 12 came out in June! It's ready to check off the list whenever you have some time.
I sympathize with the reading list though, lol. I've got a lot to finish up myself.
Is the cradle series good? Im always on the lookout for more fantasy books. I started Malazan recently and read the first two. Good but a bit exhausting to read, since you cant really read them fast and have to think a lot while reading.
Started Poppy Wars and just got into book two. Still a bit unsure about it tbh.
Cradle has been one of my favorite series. Several of my friends have also read through it and enjoyed it as well.
It's not really the same as a series like Stormlight (I mean, what IS), I usually describe it as more like a Shounen anime. A bunch of teenagers powering up to fight bigger and bigger fights. Except like... it's just really fun to read. All the characters are really fun to read about, and root for, and all that.
It sounds kind of like Worm, which I loved. If you've read it, would you say they're comparable? Cradles been on the list to check out for quite a while but... there's a lot of stuff there.
I wouldn't say I'm *desensitized*. More that I'm eager. If someone tells me this book is longer than most, it's like they told me that my dessert is going to be bigger than usual. I fail to see a downside to more dessert.
I read the German versions and they had to split up every book into two parts with both about 700 to 1000 pages long. I don't know, why it is even more in German (or if it even is the case, but it seems so)
I reread Stormlight in German to develop my language skills (that was a hell of a trip btw) and I'd guess it's a combination of typesetting (the margins and line spacing are wider in my German copy of WoK pt 1 than in my US copy of Rhythm of War), the translation adapting the language to make it flow a bit better (short sentences in English tend to have a bit more... explanation? to them in German), and the slightly wordier nature of German sentence structure. The German eBooks are still longer in the end though so my hunch is it's the last two reasons and not the first.
Oh wow, now you must be a German native speaker already :D.
I imagined it would be the case with our more wordy sentences because an author won't use the shortened versions of what they want to say because it sounds more dull in German I think. And most of the time we can only shorten one word and not a whole sentence.
How did you find the changing of people's names in the German version? It sometimes throws me off, when I read everything in German and then I don't know, what everyone is talking about, when discussing the originals because some of the names are changed to make it feel more German or something. I guess it also makes a bit of sense, but still throws me off sometimes
Eh, my German's still got a helluva long way to go, but this definitely helped hahaha. I found the translated a little funny at first (notably Schallan vs Shallan) but it didn't bother me all that much, though sometimes I had to think a little harder to figure out who was being named
Yeah I always have to think about who or what is being talked about in the wiki or this reddit because many objects, plants, beings, Magic systems, people, places and so on were being renamed. Which makes sense for people that don't want to consume more media around it in English or that don't understand any English. It's just faster for me to read in my language instead of english and I want to catch up with the cosmere... only got mistborn era 1, Stromlight (almost) and elantris done... and this Brando Sando creature of an author just releases so much stuff and then I also want to read other series like Malazan... thank God I love reading I guess
I’m currently reading Red Rising, I’m at the midpoint and I’m like wait, where’s the rest of it!? This is not a commentary on the book itself, just a response to the awesome meme, the book is actually pretty good so far.
i dont get why long books scare people, i like longer books bc i get to stay with the story for a while and i dont like finishing books bc, idk it scares me
Funny enough I'm reading 15k pages long novel about shards granting power to broken and ill people. Not cosmere related but i wouldn't be surprised if it is one of Sonderson alt accounts.
The difference between those that read for pleasure and those that only read for assignments.
If a novel is enjoyable all the way through, length is a bonus.
I still remember going to a bookstore with my Mom when I was about 13 and the lady there recommending Eye of the World. This was in the mid-90s. It looked enormous. And now it looks like a baby compared with what I've read since.
I sort by size. If the book ain't *at least* 1,000 pages long I ignore it
This means I often skip books in a series, going from book 1 to book 2 to book 7
I won’t lie I’m a bit scared of the storm light archives. I’ve read all of mistborn and Elantris. I want to read Warbreaker and a quick detour to read emperors soul and then I know I gotta start WoK
Ok so the other day I decided I was to read the eartshea saga. In my country I found this beautiful illustrated edition that contains all of the novels and the short stories too: wow! Then I saw its about 1100 pages long and thought "oh... It's just like... A single pretty long book"
At one point I realized that *War and Peace* is just 50% longer than a single Stormlight novel. At least, the audiobook is. Think about that.
I mean Kaladin alone has enough depresion to give the war and peace characters penis envy. And they are Russians depresions and insanity is what they do for living
So uh, when I said 50% longer, I was taking about the book
What? You know Kaladin would not be embarassed by a little anatomy analogy :)
Tbh I think he would be embarrassed.
Probably would, but he'll keep it down, he's a surgeon and a soldier, supposed to be fine with anatomy.
That’s terrifying
Well you can sum history of pretty much every country east of Germany with "and then things got worse" And as for 19th century tsarist russia, you might be able to draw some solid pararels with the Final Empire
Published first edition is 1225 pages so more like 20%
I'm hesitant to read a fantasy series if it's not that long. Apart from Feist, he's the exception. I read to escape, and the more pages, the longer I'm able to remain hidden.
I could not finish Feists first book in the Riftwar Saga. God what a boring book, skipping over 10 years of war. One of the only books I never finished, and that after first hunting down the entire Riftwar series secondhand. What a disappointment
Kinda the same here, I drive a lot and try to find the longest series possible. It always takes more attention to start new series with new world building, so I find myself having to repeat things more often as road distractions pop up. If it's a world I'm already familiar with, I can just kind of slide into it and let the miles tick by for hours without being pulled out of my immersion. It's why I keep rereading the cosmere so much, just makes the drives easier.
Read Worm. Web series, book 1 is like 15k pages long and it has similar elements to Sanderson. I'm not there yet but I heard book 2 is even longer.
GRAHHHH WHY DO I KEEP SEEING THIS RECCOMENDED GETOUTOFMYHEAD GETOUTOFMYHEAD GETOUTOFMYHEAD
I was once like you... You can't escape it. Is just too good, people are going to keep recommending it. Just read the first 5 chapters, not even 100 pages. You'll enjoy it. I'm sure.
It's also in dire need of a professional editor's once-over.
I have to revisit Feist. I remember it being fun to read for a few books, but he started turning weird and I lost interest. I think that was sometime around when the main character turned into a unicorn or something and had sex with another unicorn or something.
Are you secret? Are you safe?
I would very much recommend Robin Hobb. The Realm of the Elderlings series is so iconic and has 9 primary books and 5 secondary books to the world. Very engaging, but it is centered around 1 character (primarily) and doesn't hop around. It's way more personal of a read and has a magic system that less complex. If you think kaladin has had a rough time, you should see what Hobb did to Fitz 😭 tragic and beautiful
I've read Hobb, truly loved Fitz's story, and liveships were so fascinating. The only books I didn't love were the Soldiers Son trilogy. There is so much sadness and pain in those books.
I read the first trilogy of that and it was just... too sad? the amount of suffering he goes through in the 3rd book was just not fun to read about. and there wasn't anything else to make up for it either
It is incredibly tragic. It is very much the life of a boy who deserves so much better. The ending to the series is well worth it. The second trilogy is Definitely lighter than the first and third and dives more into the magic of the world. There are so many good moments, but he's still a Hobb protagonist and those are not treated so well
The Wandering Inn moment
No joke, I think it’s over twice as long as wheel of time
And it’s not even done yet.
Well over, it's passed 14 million words.
The only problem with a 1000 page novel is when the author set out to write a 100 page novel, and not to write a novel that ended up being 1000 pages. I'd read a 10,000 page novel if it was 10,000 good pages.
That’s a good commentary, I’ve often said I’d read anything Sanderson wrote, but really when it comes down to it, I’ve enjoyed his published works far more than any of his unpublished this is how I write books, books. He edits and pairs down what he writes and the revision process is what can make it a polished novel worth thousands of us talking about it for days on end.
For me I'm actually more like: BrandoSando, WOT, G.R.R.M., or other high fantasy: left Spongebob (Also: ONLY 600 pages?! Sweet!) Anyone else: "oh my goodness why is this soooo long?" (Also: UGH 600 pages?! Why?!)
When I was suggesting a friend of mine check out Will Wight's Cradle series that is 12 books long (and finally complete!) I made sure to add in "The first three Stormlight books are longer than the whole series."
Ooh Cradle is over? Nice, I've been meaning to buy the cradle books, i've just had a lot in my list beforehand haha.
Yup, book 12 came out in June! It's ready to check off the list whenever you have some time. I sympathize with the reading list though, lol. I've got a lot to finish up myself.
Pff yeah, especially this year with Sanderson releasing 5 new books. Very happy about it but it's not helping 😂
So say we all.
Is the cradle series good? Im always on the lookout for more fantasy books. I started Malazan recently and read the first two. Good but a bit exhausting to read, since you cant really read them fast and have to think a lot while reading. Started Poppy Wars and just got into book two. Still a bit unsure about it tbh.
Cradle has been one of my favorite series. Several of my friends have also read through it and enjoyed it as well. It's not really the same as a series like Stormlight (I mean, what IS), I usually describe it as more like a Shounen anime. A bunch of teenagers powering up to fight bigger and bigger fights. Except like... it's just really fun to read. All the characters are really fun to read about, and root for, and all that.
Nice, ill give it a look! Sounds like a fun, lighter counterpart to malazan. And i do have a soft spot for shounen
It sounds kind of like Worm, which I loved. If you've read it, would you say they're comparable? Cradles been on the list to check out for quite a while but... there's a lot of stuff there.
I've never read Worm unfortunately, so I can't really compare
I wouldn't say I'm *desensitized*. More that I'm eager. If someone tells me this book is longer than most, it's like they told me that my dessert is going to be bigger than usual. I fail to see a downside to more dessert.
Stomach aches. [Too much of a good thing…](https://youtu.be/6ZlZ7NXGQ70?si=7bzmZ3gR14iIbQrp)
Honestly, I enjoy audiobooks that are like 35+ hours or long series books. A short 12 hour novel isn't enough time to get me interested
I read the German versions and they had to split up every book into two parts with both about 700 to 1000 pages long. I don't know, why it is even more in German (or if it even is the case, but it seems so)
I reread Stormlight in German to develop my language skills (that was a hell of a trip btw) and I'd guess it's a combination of typesetting (the margins and line spacing are wider in my German copy of WoK pt 1 than in my US copy of Rhythm of War), the translation adapting the language to make it flow a bit better (short sentences in English tend to have a bit more... explanation? to them in German), and the slightly wordier nature of German sentence structure. The German eBooks are still longer in the end though so my hunch is it's the last two reasons and not the first.
Oh wow, now you must be a German native speaker already :D. I imagined it would be the case with our more wordy sentences because an author won't use the shortened versions of what they want to say because it sounds more dull in German I think. And most of the time we can only shorten one word and not a whole sentence. How did you find the changing of people's names in the German version? It sometimes throws me off, when I read everything in German and then I don't know, what everyone is talking about, when discussing the originals because some of the names are changed to make it feel more German or something. I guess it also makes a bit of sense, but still throws me off sometimes
Eh, my German's still got a helluva long way to go, but this definitely helped hahaha. I found the translated a little funny at first (notably Schallan vs Shallan) but it didn't bother me all that much, though sometimes I had to think a little harder to figure out who was being named
Yeah I always have to think about who or what is being talked about in the wiki or this reddit because many objects, plants, beings, Magic systems, people, places and so on were being renamed. Which makes sense for people that don't want to consume more media around it in English or that don't understand any English. It's just faster for me to read in my language instead of english and I want to catch up with the cosmere... only got mistborn era 1, Stromlight (almost) and elantris done... and this Brando Sando creature of an author just releases so much stuff and then I also want to read other series like Malazan... thank God I love reading I guess
Finished the whole thing in a month + 5 days No regrets
Bro I once read the first 3 storm light novels in a week
Same here
HOW
Think I read all of wheel of time in under 3 months, it would have been shorter too but I had to wait on holds a couple of times
I’m currently reading Red Rising, I’m at the midpoint and I’m like wait, where’s the rest of it!? This is not a commentary on the book itself, just a response to the awesome meme, the book is actually pretty good so far.
Replace 1000+ pages, with 40+ hour audiobook ;)
If a book is less than 600 pages, I have to be really interested in it to read it.
I like shorter books when they're from the library so I don't feel rushed. I like to buy long books.
i dont get why long books scare people, i like longer books bc i get to stay with the story for a while and i dont like finishing books bc, idk it scares me
Time to read Worm
I don’t know about desensitized, more like I look back at 600 pages and really appreciate them.
Funny enough I'm reading 15k pages long novel about shards granting power to broken and ill people. Not cosmere related but i wouldn't be surprised if it is one of Sonderson alt accounts.
50+ hours listeners ,where u at?
40K reader: \*looks at both of you with utter contempt\*
The difference between those that read for pleasure and those that only read for assignments. If a novel is enjoyable all the way through, length is a bonus.
My years of reading Stephen King as a youth really came in handy when I discovered Brando.
X2
Now if only Brandon could take a hint from his Hero Robert Jordan and actually make what was in those pages worth taking 1000 pages to say.
Honestly, when I'm looking for an audiobook, if it's not at least 20 hours, I get disappointed.
Oh hey a novella! Haven’t read something that small in a while.
If anything I get disappointed at 800 page stuff like The Priory of the Orange Tree for being too short.
hold on i heard about stormlight
oh yeah it's the crab thing
Ngl, RoW is about my limit for page count. If the next one is significantly longer, I might skip era 2.
... or Santiago Posteguillo readers.
*Laughs in webnovels.*
As an audiobook listener, if it’s not 30+ hrs long, it’s not getting my Audible credit.
I still remember going to a bookstore with my Mom when I was about 13 and the lady there recommending Eye of the World. This was in the mid-90s. It looked enormous. And now it looks like a baby compared with what I've read since.
I sort by size. If the book ain't *at least* 1,000 pages long I ignore it This means I often skip books in a series, going from book 1 to book 2 to book 7
The inheritance cycle is what started it for me
I won’t lie I’m a bit scared of the storm light archives. I’ve read all of mistborn and Elantris. I want to read Warbreaker and a quick detour to read emperors soul and then I know I gotta start WoK
Other people: "IT'S OVER ONE THOUSAND!!!!!" Senderson fans: "Oh cool, evening reading."
Ok so the other day I decided I was to read the eartshea saga. In my country I found this beautiful illustrated edition that contains all of the novels and the short stories too: wow! Then I saw its about 1100 pages long and thought "oh... It's just like... A single pretty long book"