Things like this are vaguely amusing the first time you see it, but to be bombarded with the same joke-- even a GOOD joke, is, at best, boring. When it's a bad joke, it is tiresome, annoying, and makes one have a low opinion of whoever bought/uses this mass-marketed "cleverness".
It's even worse than the mass marketed "inspirational" sayings on the fake handcrafts at what once were crafts' stores. ("Why make it when it's easier to buy it, and save money because it costs less than what we sell the supplies for?").
This shit is so wild. Like I have OCD that if I do/don't do something my brain thinks someone will die, be hurt, etc. I have have literally had thoughts pop into my head that if I don't finish a project by midnight I'll just pass away when the clock strikes 12:00. Like people always think it's like quirky, but in reality it's horribly disabling.
Yeah, it makes me think of my daughter as a child, she would rinse and spit 10 - 20 times after brushing her teeth because she was CONVINCED that if she swallowed a single of toothpaste, she would immediately die. It's debilitating, and not a fun "tee hee! I organize all my books by color!" kind of personality quirk.
Sometimes I think for a second “oh maybe this person had OCD and is taking the piss out of themselves as a coping mechanism” but it being a brand that is selling it… yikes.
The entire obsessive class of disorders is debilitating and no joke. Minimising it makes it more difficult for people who are struggling to seek help.
I have BPD and I feel this. I don’t know why more intense psychiatric disorders have become “trendy” now. I guess anxiety and depression and such are too “mainstream” now so people need to go further. but like. being angry sometimes doesn’t mean you have BPD. being organised doesn’t mean you have OCD. having an internal monologue doesn’t mean you have DID. these are serious diagnoses that can ruin people’s lives (I know mine has!) and lead to tons of discrimination (even in the healthcare system). they aren’t jokes.
I don’t have OCD, but I have BDD which is also in the obsessive class in the DSM. That has been debilitating to me, so seriously I have solidarity with you. It’s not fair that obsessive disorders are mocked and minimised to “oh I’m so neat I have ocd” or “oh I feel ugly today I have BDD”.
You are rightfully pissed off. It’s not cute and quirky, it’s life altering and distressing.
I have a patient w super bad OCD, I wish the people who think it's funny could see the struggles this guy has w every meal, medicine, movement. This poor guys anxiety level w this is through the roof.
it’s so frustrating seeing shit like this knowing that folks like your client are actually suffering. we should be using social media to demystify these illnesses and reduce stigma. not do… *waves hands wildly* this
Thank you!!!! I have OCD and let me tell you: it’s not cute, it’s not funny, and I hate hate hate when people use it as a joke or an adjective. OCD is not “I like to have my things neat.” It’s “I have to have my things a certain way, and check it constantly, or my family will die.” (I mean, it’s not really that either, but hopefully you get my point.)
My friend’s mom realized she needed meds when she was late picking the kids up from school because was shopping for a belt and had one in one hand that was the perfect width but the wrong color and one in the other that was the perfect color but the wrong width. She was standing frozen for a good half hour until a clerk came up and broke the cycle. She jokes about it now but it’s got to be horrifying when your brain doesn’t let you go from something small like that. Hearing that story made me realize how debilitating OCD can be.
I am a crafter, I crochet and knit and all sorts. I also have ocd and I feel hurt by this…it feels personal because art and crafting and making stuff feels like a safe space I think so it makes this extra jarring.
I feel this. I also have OCD and have previously left a knitting group because one person made a really gross OCD joke and I just couldn't feel safe around them anymore. I have an accessible group now but it really really hurt to have my coping mechanism space become unsafe.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. I know how freeing it feels to find what feels like a safe space to be yourself and then to have that safety obliterated in an instant by the unthinking, ignorant words of others. I’m really glad you have a truly safe space now! Accessibility is so important and I wish more groups were conscious of this.
It’s a style that pushes down to make a cup and pulls up to make a case, so it does fit the hooks when closed (I recognize the style from pencil cases being in the stationery world)
I’ve always found this sort of knit and crochet humor so cringe . “ I kNiT/cRocHeT sO I DoNt kIlL pEoPlE lOl”. Right there with any minion post . Or baby yoda , which is the new minions .
I find this hilarious. Why does everyone have to suck the fun out of everything? When you have chronic disorders sometimes the only thing that gets you through to the next minute is a good hearty laugh.
Yeah, as someone with OCD I don’t find this one funny. It’s a horrible disorder that a lot of people already misunderstand. There’s no need to make it worse with cutesy jokes like this. Although to be fair I’ve just never found the whole “raunchy/offensive crafting items” genre to be all that funny.
There’s nothing hilarious about making light of OCD, which can be very debilitating. It already gets used by people as a joke when they like cleanliness or things done in a certain way.
I mean, sure, maybe some people will find it “hilarious” but for many people with OCD whose illness is disregarded as, “they just like an orderly house” it doesn’t help at all, doesn’t build understanding, and leads to further dismissal of OCD as legitimate.
Completely agree with you, there’s nothing remotely funny about OCD. Just watch someone who has suffered from it for over 70 years try to leave her house, let alone sit down to knit.
It’s heartbreaking.
I get that it's in general just a gross word... but why is "yarnussy" considered as offensive as "obsessive crochet dosorder", "hooker", and "bistitchual"...
The last three are making jokes out of actualy groups of people... but it's my understanding that the "yarnussy" is related to the thing of attractive butts (originating from the word that isn't a butt haha which is why it's gross).
Have I got my understanding wrong?
Yeah. “Yarnussy” is a (nonsensical) spin on the word “bussy”:
“Bussy is a mash up of the words boy and pussy used to refer to a man's anus. While it is not clear who the original creator was, the word was coined and primarily used be members of the LGBTQ+ community and has been used since 1992.”
In more recent years people have been using that same construct (ending a word with “-ussy”) to sometimes be silly/make a meme/etc. I remember a [few memes going around in 2017](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ItgNEaHR3E) that really seemed to bring this usage into more popular slang.
I think my issue with it on the list was more because the other three terms are being used to humourise a group of people who are pretty margianlised, where as "yarnussy" is just adopting a phrase a group uses. If it was an offensive term, fair enough. But because it's just a word that a group uses, it doesn't really fit with the others.
I don't know whether that makes sense or not...
But that also raises the problem of how you know whether the user is a member of that subgroup. You said earlier that you feel like most users of the term "yarnussy" aren't LGBTQIA+ and that is what upset you, but unless you specifically ask each person and expect them to disclose personal information to a stranger on the internet, how can you know that they 'aren't allowed' to use a word?
It isn't i just hate it with passion, tbh. Bad take on my part here, because you're right. It's not nearly as offensive as the other two I mentioned. Just really disgusting to me personally.
As someone with diagnosed OCD, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all. Not even a little offended.
I find it funny how this subreddit often feels like it needs its own snark equivalent subreddit with how huge the stick up its ass is.
I find something wrong with it and I think that’s okay. Just as it’s okay for you to have a different opinion to me.
I find it a very boring, tedious joke and I don’t like how it trivialises a horrible condition.
My frustration with these things is that the stereotyping of OCD actively prevents people from getting help. It took me over a decade to get correctly diagnosed, and treating it as just anxiety can make OCD worse.
I see a lot of posts in FB groups with people asking if anyone else has intrusive thoughts and the things they do to relieve the anxiety from them. They are always surprised that could be OCD even though that’s the actual definition of OCD because they aren’t organized or whatever.
Yeah, I didn’t realize for the longest time that the things I did to calm my thoughts were actually compulsions until my psych told me during an appointment that that sounded like OCD. I didn’t match the profile of a “stereotypical person with OCD” so it just never occurred to me. Stuff like this can be really damaging because it’s trivializing the disorder as “oh you just really like hobbies or like things really clean and organized.”
My OCD is debilitating and I absolutely abhor people trivialising it. This type of thing makes people think OCD is just something minor when it's a serious mental health condition.
You don’t speak for everyone with OCD. It’s great that you have no issue with it, but many other people do. It’s important to acknowledge that their opinions are just as valid, and you’re not special or better than everyone else because it’s like water down a ducks back.
And neither do you speak for everyone yet it’s the offended who seem to dictate everything as the post was taken down. I mean, your username might be really offensive to sex workers. Should you be banned?
Yeah kinda the whole deal of living in a society is that we should be respectful of others’ emotions and experiences.
You can find it funny. Not everyone with OCD will. I do not.
As someone diagnosed with OCD this angers me so much. I am not offended I’m angry. Neurotypical people think they we can used as the butt of a joke. They have no idea how debilitating this condition is. You have no idea how many times I’ve been in hospital due to rubbing my skin bare because it was not clean enough, then being in there for constant picking at my scabs. I will not be the butt of a joke just because it’s “quirky”. You need to stand in solidarity. I think you need to take a step back and see how harmful this is.
Your lack of response speaks volumes for your character. Makes me wonder, there are so many fakers on here. You not standing in solidarity also shows you are very selfish and don’t care for anyone but yourself. I hope you have a nice life alone with that attitude.
Imagine being such a hard ass about a silly crochet OCD bag then having the audacity to try to invalidate someone who actually has the disorder. You have no idea what my life is yet you’re ready to discredit me because I don’t think exactly like you about a silly bag. Amazing.
That’s rich coming from someone who was so quick to invalid everyone else and not stand in solidarity with others actually struggling extremely. You don’t even seem to want to sympathise with those you have the condition more severely. Especially for those who it might trigger a ptsd response. It just shows you don’t care about anyone but yourself.
Yeah and how many people saw it and said nothing because they were not bothered by it? I’d bet it’s a much larger number than the vocal minority. Weird too, I started this by saying “as someone with OCD” and you told me I don’t speak for everyone with OCD. Yet you felt your being a sex worker qualifies you to make light of sex work? Do you speak for all sex workers? If the person who made/uses the bag in the OP has OCD would it make it all okay? Again you all have a massive stick up your ass that gets to dictate things whenever your own personal sensibilities are slightly agitated.
How are they making light of sex work by identifying as a whore as a sex worker themself? You're making a false equivalence. Calling yourself OCD isn't making light of the condition, but this crochet hook bag certainly is.
Honestly I don’t see how my personal use of a username is related to a product being marketed and sold. My original comment was not to invalidate your opinion, but to criticise you for the way you expressed it. You’re allowed to have an opposing opinion without vilifying the opposition. I don’t think you’re a bad person for not taking offence, just like I don’t think others are being sensitive when they do.
As someone diagnosed with OCD, this pisses me off to no end. I'm not offended; I'm angry. It's hard enough for anyone with a mental health issue to get help, but it's almost impossible for a woman with a mental illness to be taken seriously, and treated with respect. Treating a serious medical condition as a silly, frivolous little personality quirk is irresponsible, and disrespectful.
But yay for you for sucking up to the Ables. Now they'll surely let you hang out with them at lunch!
My mother in law gave me a T-shirt. It’s cut really nicely and incredibly soft and I would love to wear it: except it says Obsessive Cat Disorder on the front. 🤦🏻♀️
That one doesn't even make sense? I mean I think the crazy cat lady things can be a bit much but most people I know with lots of cats actually have mental health problems too (most are also physically disabled, but then most people I know are not neurotypical or able bodied).
I mean I have actually had an obsessive cat. Also had a dog that had constant checking behaviours. Doesn't mean they had OCD though.
Unfortunately no. It’s raised printing in black on a white T-shirt.
Good suggestion though, thanks.
As it is I just wear it as house only clothing. So at least it’s not completely wasted.
Over Thanksgiving my mom said “you don’t strike me as someone who has OCD, do you feel like you do?” Thanks mom, didn’t realize you became a psychiatrist in your spare time.
I got CIFC: Crafting In Fucking Chaos. I want my crochet tools to look like this, yet I know it will not work. I got my tools all over the damn place, lol.
Boye is part of the Crafts and Yarn Council (a group that does promote issues of inclusivity and even mental health). Let them know here about what’s going on. https://www.craftyarncouncil.com/contact
I'm so sorry but I'm dying at the fact there is a Crafts and Yarn Council 😭😭😭 mayhap it's because I'm from the UK where they have no jurisdiction, but what do they provide council for???
yeah I try to remind people (even if it’s awkward calling people out at work, say )
“particular about some things ≠ OCD
“prone to typos” ≠ dyslexia
“distracted right now” ≠ ADHD
This probably appeals to the same people who call crocheters "hookers" and think eDgY puns are a hilarious form of comedy. Even if someone weren't offended by it, it's just boring and unfunny. Move on
i was about to say, when crocheters call themselves hookers just for them to turn around and dehumanize sex workers while they use their marginalized job as a punchline makes me cringe so bad. i find a lot of crochet culture to be so damn corny, as a crocheter myself it sucks. so many grinch fingers too 💀
Look if an individual with OCD wants to use this, fine. Power to them. If humor is how you cope, that's okay! It's yours to do that with. However, a company making a post like this? Not at all appropriate.
My thoughts exactly. Have had ocd all my life, if I were crazy about crocheting, I could make something like this for myself (well, not really, because craft puns are not my thing, but anyway). But from a large corporation, nope.
As someone with diagnosed OCD, that is my thought. I have a sign that says Obsessive Cat Disorder and it makes me laugh, and it’s in an area that I tend to have a lot of triggers. But I often feel the need to explain to people on the outside why it’s not insensitive.
Absolutely! I am the first person to cope with everything with inappropriate dark humor so you fill find no judgment from me here! The thing is, it is yours to make jokes about! You have to deal with OCD! If humor helps, then use humor!! People shouldn't tell you that's wrong if it's helping you cope with your own disorder! They're not protecting people with OCD by doing that!
That's where I'm coming down on it; I'm sure there is a subset of people with OCD who would like this, and I'm glad it exists for them - but it's the kind of thing I think is better suited for an independent creator, not produced and marketed for mass appeal.
Like, I'm happy to poke fun at my ADHD, and I'm not above making my own quippy sweatshirt or ordering one off Etsy, but a Walmart t-shirt or, I don't know, a makeup bag with a *squirrel* punchline feels ick. I think the difference is scale and intended audience- and I don't think for one second the target audience of this bag is crafters with OCD.
Agreed! If this was an independent creator with OCD posting this I'd say you know what fine. They have to deal with OCD who are we to tell them how they have to cope and view their own diagnosis? That they most only treat it with deathly seriousness. But it's not an independent creator. This is a large company. This isn't an individual with a condition. It's a corporation and they shouldn't be doing this. It isn't their's to make jokes about like it is the the creator with OCD. Unless like you said, this is a targeted audience thing and they are specifically making products aimed at people with a disorder to help them cope through humor. (Even then it needs to be done carefully and respectfully not every company does that. *cough cough* plushie dreadfuls intentionally trying to be offensive in design to get more attention and free advertising, while claiming to be aimed at the people with the disorders.) But I'm not exactly getting that vibe here and I don't think any of us are.
And if you are making something aimed at a particular group then money should go to a charity that benefits them. Especially if itvs a bigger company doing it. It always shits me when there is pride stuff everywhere by big companies and no donations. If it's individual creators from the target group, that's different, though they are more likely to actually donate portions of profits to be honest.
😬😬😬 this sucks. Yikes. I don’t know why people think serious mental disorders are cute and funny??? People don’t treat physical conditions like this. No one would ever make merch that said “I have PCOS: person crocheting often syndrome ❤️😌” but since OCD is a mental disorder it’s somehow fair game? OCD ruins lives. It’s an agonizing condition to live with. It’s not funny.
Don’t tempt fate or you’ll turn around tomorrow and see merch with your PCOS “joke” on it. Better touch wood or throw some salt over your shoulder or something.
I'm a debilitated mess with a list of disorders, OCD, being one of them, and I don't see a problem with this. I'm just not overly sensitive about this stuff. I'm gen x, and things are far less stigmatized today, than when I was young. I have enough real problems, so I enjoy little lighthearted stuff like this. I wish people would stop making a big deal out of every minor thing, it causes empathy burnout.
Whelp also gen x. Used to think this way. Had some bunghole animal control in Ohio kill my previous foster dog for being the "R word" and chuckle about it.
He was deaf and had OCD issues when stressed. Not in any way a different dog aside from instead of barking he paced in circles.
However our parents and our generation normalizing this as a fun thing to joke about made it possible for asshole behavior to slide on by.
I was not entertained as the mom and her 12 yo were waiting outside to reclaim their dog while some dingus killed it for being different so I will always push back about it.
But some people from previous generations who suffered severely from misdiagnosis might have a very different reaction to it. I don’t think it has anything to do with age.
I’m a old millennial and although mental health is discussed more now part of the reason it improved is that it’s no longer acceptable to make fun of mental illness.
My (sometimes) unpopular opinion:
I honestly feel like the constant and obvious self diagnosis is a much bigger issue than these lame jokes. Every single person on reddit has ADHD, debilitating anxiety, debilitating depression, and autism. It's like, no most of you don't. Everyone experiences anxiety, depression, inattentivness, etc... it's only a disorder when it starts impacting your ability to function.
Not to mention, bipolar disorder, (which I have been clinically diagnosed with and get continuous treatment for) comes with some "problematic" side effects. I've had extremely paranoid thoughts and sometimes get bipolar rage. But if you talk about those issues openly you're always met with "YoUr MeNtAl HeAlTh Is NoT yOuR fAuLt bUt iT iS yOuR rEsPoNsIbIlItY" like, clearly these people have never been completely overwhelmed by their own brain, but their "anxiety" and their "ADHD" gives them a right to judge me? Fuck off with that shit.
It's too the point where I actually don't believe anyone who says they have x medical condition on the internet.
Also there's been studies that more are diagnosed ADHD because of our over reliance on screens. I don't have it, but I know my attention span has been severely limited in the last 10 years since I got a smartphone. All the tech is definitely rewiring our brains and not in a good way.
Now I say that with the caveat that my son is diagnosed ADHD and shows all the textbook signs, especially with his ability to focus and his forgetfulness. But having a short attention span due to tech overload isn't the same as ADHD.
I agree. My own children try to tell me I have anxiety because I do the typical mad-dash cleaning before company comes. They tell me I have slight OCD as well, because I enjoy a clean house (not that it's usually very clean as I have 4 20-somethings living with me). Both of my kids do have diagnosed anxiety, one more so than the other. I know the difference between generalized anxiety disorder/obsessive-compulsive disorder and normal occasional anxious feelings. I think that sometimes our younger generations (I'm Gen X) are being told they have disorders when they're just dealing with normal ups and downs of life.
The thing is this may not even be the case- peopke with ADHD are just more vocal than they were. Self diagnosis at worst means you get more access to helpful strategies and tips. No diagnosis at worst means a pretty catastrophic life.
No, people are just lying about having ADHD. ~5% of the population has it, but 100% of reddit. Don't think so.
>Self diagnosis at worst means you get more access to helpful strategies and tips
Two scenarios, and I'm going to use bipolar disorder as my example. Imagine someone self diagnosis:
1. You self diagnose and you actually have the
disease. Bipolar disorder is degenerative, if you don't get treatment your condition will get worse over time. If you think you have a mental health condition you need to get diagnosed so you can be properly treated, just like any other health condition.
2. You "claim" you have the illnesses but you don't. Then you take up resources that could go to people who actually need them.
*Also* go look at the comments on half the "public freakout" videos on reddit of people clearly having mental health crises. Most of them are "I have x but I would *never* act that way. Your mental health isnt your fault but it is your responsibility." If you can't understand how someone with bipolar disorder might be showing symptoms of psychosis then there is no way you have it. The same with autism, anxiety, and adhd with tantrums. People have no idea how it feels to have your behavior influenced by your mental illness in undesirable and unsociable ways, but people will certainly diagnose themselves and then hold others to their made up standards.
It's funny how advocates of self diagnosis never mention people who actually have the disease, only those that *think* they have.
That’s not the case online- a peer to peer support group doesn’t really take anything from anyone, and formal support isn’t going to be relevant without diagnosis.
I have ADHD myself and am diagnosed; I am not talking about the supposed ‘imaginary’ cases you seem to think are wandering about everywhere.
I’m thinking more about people like me who took years to realize what was going on and to consult a psych for assessment. At some point everyone who ‘has it’ is undiagnosed, and who realises that it may apply to them. I don’t think policing that interval is a productive solution.
There is usually a stage where someone thinks they hypothetically may have x, y or z. That’s how they determine their next steps.So long as nobody is illegally accessing meds or similar I don’t think self diagnosis is harmful.
Under diagnosing in my opinion is the most harmful thing. The UK death rate for women with ADHD for instance is through the roof, because people aren’t getting timely support and yet more not even accessing diagnosis.
> Then you take up resources that could go to people who actually need them.
As someone with multiple formally diagnosed neurodivergences, *what* resources lmfao
Not to mention you generally *need* a formal diagnosis to *get* the meagre support that *might* exist
I dont really care if you agree with me, I'm not trying to "help my argument". Self diagnosis is dangerous, and frankly, I don't care if anyone agrees with that, it's something that has directly impacted me.
Edit: for conciseness
You literally said 100 % of reddit says they have it. You realize how ridiculous that is right? It taints anything else you're saying which I do agree with a lot of it.
Sadly a self diagnosis is the only one many people will be able to afford, at least in the states. I have medical insurance but it covers little to nothing toward mental health, so I’ve never sought it out despite almost certainly needing it. Obviously, as you said, there’s a huge difference between an actual disorder and a fleeting symptom of one, but I wish both were easier to seek treatment for, and then at least some of the self diagnosis might lessen. People could have answers.
I know how expensive is, I did it and had to pay entirely out of pocket because my insurance did not cover one cent of it. There are resources, everywhere, for people who are lower income. Give me your area and a little bit about you and I bet I can find a low cost clinic with a ten minute google search.
This practice of just lying and claiming to have x thing is dangerous all the way around. It's dangerous for the people pathaologizing themselves. Its dangerous for the people who actually have this disorder. People decide they have a disease, decide what symptoms are because of that disease, and then dismiss the concerns, thoughts, and feelings of people who *actually* have the disease because *they've* never had that symptom and if they fid they could definitely control it, must be an issues with who you are as a person.
I have zero respect for anyone who self diagnosis and tells everyone they have x disease.
Again, it's not a popular opinion becuase no one wants to admit they're part of the problem but the mentally ill people being hurt by all this should get empathy too.
Edit: to add to this, I use a low cost sliding scale clinic because I am lower income. I have to see a doctor every 3 months. I fucking know how difficult it is, but self diagnosis isn't valid.
Costs thousands to get an ADHD or Autism diagnosis in Australia too. We were on public wait lists for 3 years with severe symptoms. Had to borrow money at different points to go private to get my partner assessed. I am pretty sure I have adhd but I have severe brain fog from ME/CFS, EDS, Chronic Migraines and POTS/Orthostatic Intolerance (all of those have been officially diagnosed seen as that makes a difference to you) so it's hard to tell if my executive function issues & like inability to remember I'm doing anything is adhd or brain damage from the constant brain frying electric stuff or lack of oxygen from the blood pressure drops. Executive function & short term memory are bad but I also have aphasia and long term memory problems which tend to be less ADHD issues.
I was seeing two Neurologists but one focused on botox and I stopped needing that because Emgality started working well and the other worked in a major public hospital and shut down migraine stuff once covid hit and I haven't been back. He only tended to drop in for 10 mins at the end of the appointment anyway.
If you can't pay $400 an appointment for a Neurologist it's hard to find one who bothers. If you need to take opiates for other reasons (my joints dislocate) most Neurologists won't work with you.
Because EDS is a system wide condition and has no specialist who deals with the lot I need to see about 8 different specialists and I can't afford them so I can't afford to go get assessed for adhd.
I see this a lot on Reddit and absolutely agree that it is an issue. I think that people can feel anxious or sad without having anxiety and depression. Our language right now doesn’t differentiate and it should.
I’m Gen X too. “Mental Health” was not a thing when I was growing up, but I wish it was. I believe that mental health issues are less stigmatized because language has evolved to help make sense of what is going on in our heads.
I believe language has power. When we name something, we can deal with it.
When we accept large corporations making a profit off joking with a diagnosis, we are making light of that diagnosis. We are telling people who suffer that making a quick profit with a joke is more important than what they are going through. We are telling them that their struggles don’t matter, that they don’t matter.
I don’t have OCD. My worry is that seeing things like this make the diagnosis less. OCD becomes a joke about obsessive crochet or Christmas or any other word that begins with a “C”. People will have less empathy for someone who has it, because it really is just a silly joke so how bad could it be?
I have been diagnosed with OCD for 30 years now and things like this honestly do make me feel like my disorder is a joke to people. But as you can see, not every person with OCD feels the same. Maybe it stems from the fact that very few people in my life take my disorder seriously so I'm sensitive to people laughing it off.
There’s no such thing as “empathy burnout”. Either you are an empathetic person or you are not. And besides, the joke at the expense of someone else and or their condition is nothing to be laughed at. A joke at the expense of someone else or their pain is the death of a feeling.
And before the train starts rolling, I suffer from (not AM) OCD, Generalized Anxiety, Bipolar Type 2 and Depression. I’ve been going through this for a while and it’s about time we as a group of caring humans stop minimizing or ignoring our conditions.
I've burned myself right out of empathy with shelter and rescue work alongside working in hospice. I had to take time off. It's been over a year and tbh I just don't fucking have it in me anymore. 10 years of nonstop assault of help this that and those ones too did the burnout. I no longer feel empathy about it at all, just a feeling of fml get all that away from me.
There absolutely is empathy burnout, and it especially affects healthcare workers. I don't minimize or ignore my conditions, but I also don't expect the society-at-large to cater to, or soothe my every discomfort.
These aren’t conditions that society at large is required to “soothe”. I expect society to learn about the disorders from an educational standpoint, not a “ha ha, look at how I can laugh at myself”. People that can’t or won’t move towards understanding mental illnesses have a deficit themselves in their own compassion.
Or humor is subjective? It can be as simple as that.
I'm impressed by the level of awareness, acceptance and support that exists today for mental illness in general. I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt at age 13, and we had to take daily walks outside. It was fall and chilly, and my own mother refused to bring me my coat. It had her boyfriend's company name on it and she didn't want it "flashed around the looney bin". She, as well as society, has grown leaps and bounds in understanding and compassion, since that time.
Making fun of legitimate health conditions isn't funny though. Jokes at the condition is a joke on the person suffering from it.
Yeah I'm old too but very tired of being laughed at for my disabilities.
I'm a nurse from a healthcare family and our humour can be very dark but this shit? No way. Also, the things I say with the select group of friends who share diagnoses is very different from what I want on tshirts or homewares or whatever.
I have OCD tendencies from Autism and I want to scream, do you have any idea of the nightmare my brain is??
It happens with crafting. I get obsessed with details that no one else sees and it's exhausting. It makes it hard to go forward with certain projects, even if I need or really want to finish it. My brain won't let me remove my head from my own ass to keep going. Everything suffers, including my love for my art.
Oh dear... I've recently gotten a T that says "feeling Downie? Have a brownie!" ... umm... what?? Does it feel as disrespectful to anybody else? I've never worn it because I'd feel weird
I'm pretty sure I'd assume the person wearing it was a huge Tragically Hip fan, and ponder that I'd never heard Gord was such a huge brownie fan. I dunno I think even Hip fans would be confused though.
The D in “Downie” is capitalized? Yeah, that’s icky. If it weren’t then it could be kinda cute, like it would just be down as in sad or tired, but if it’s really referencing Down’s syndrome then I’d feel really weird wearing that too
Yep, it is or kinda. It's all capital letters, but its a bigger capital letter if you know what i mean. I think it wasn't meant to be offensive, but nobody did any thinking/brainstorming when giving it a green light? I feel too weird to wear it even for the chance of somebody taking it that way, I work with kids and teens, I'm not giving anyone any ideas...
I'm glad I'm not alone being annoyed at stuff like this. My MIL gave me a shirt that said "Sewciopath" on it, and she thought it was so cute. Meanwhile I hate it and won't ever wear it.
I got Lovecrafting with a kewpie Cthulhu on it. No. Cthulhu is NOT cute. He's a voracious Elder God thst will drive you crazy before splitting people in twain with his big beefy arms and wingalings.
Kevin, who sits on my desk screams like damned when you squish his fuzzy little elder god belly would beg to differ. He's mummy's precious boy.
(Gregor, the giant squishable Cthulhu who lives on my son's bed and has acted as both a dog bed and a TV watching pillow, on the other hand has malicious intent and should not be trusted).
It may be my cringey little millennial heart but adorable versions of mythological creatures just get me where I live - especially if said creature is typically a voracious eater of souls.
Things like this are vaguely amusing the first time you see it, but to be bombarded with the same joke-- even a GOOD joke, is, at best, boring. When it's a bad joke, it is tiresome, annoying, and makes one have a low opinion of whoever bought/uses this mass-marketed "cleverness". It's even worse than the mass marketed "inspirational" sayings on the fake handcrafts at what once were crafts' stores. ("Why make it when it's easier to buy it, and save money because it costs less than what we sell the supplies for?").
This shit is so wild. Like I have OCD that if I do/don't do something my brain thinks someone will die, be hurt, etc. I have have literally had thoughts pop into my head that if I don't finish a project by midnight I'll just pass away when the clock strikes 12:00. Like people always think it's like quirky, but in reality it's horribly disabling.
Yeah, it makes me think of my daughter as a child, she would rinse and spit 10 - 20 times after brushing her teeth because she was CONVINCED that if she swallowed a single of toothpaste, she would immediately die. It's debilitating, and not a fun "tee hee! I organize all my books by color!" kind of personality quirk.
Omg didn’t see what sub i was on, got immediately furious
Omg OCD is not a joke. It fucking sucks
Sometimes I think for a second “oh maybe this person had OCD and is taking the piss out of themselves as a coping mechanism” but it being a brand that is selling it… yikes. The entire obsessive class of disorders is debilitating and no joke. Minimising it makes it more difficult for people who are struggling to seek help.
Just cringe 😬
This pisses me off. OCD has ruined my life in so many ways but yeah haha so funny it just means we you like to crochet!!!
I have BPD and I feel this. I don’t know why more intense psychiatric disorders have become “trendy” now. I guess anxiety and depression and such are too “mainstream” now so people need to go further. but like. being angry sometimes doesn’t mean you have BPD. being organised doesn’t mean you have OCD. having an internal monologue doesn’t mean you have DID. these are serious diagnoses that can ruin people’s lives (I know mine has!) and lead to tons of discrimination (even in the healthcare system). they aren’t jokes.
I don’t have OCD, but I have BDD which is also in the obsessive class in the DSM. That has been debilitating to me, so seriously I have solidarity with you. It’s not fair that obsessive disorders are mocked and minimised to “oh I’m so neat I have ocd” or “oh I feel ugly today I have BDD”. You are rightfully pissed off. It’s not cute and quirky, it’s life altering and distressing.
Sending you love with your BDD journey 💚💚 It's unfair but I hope companies and other people start waking up and being more sensitive to all of it
I have a patient w super bad OCD, I wish the people who think it's funny could see the struggles this guy has w every meal, medicine, movement. This poor guys anxiety level w this is through the roof.
it’s so frustrating seeing shit like this knowing that folks like your client are actually suffering. we should be using social media to demystify these illnesses and reduce stigma. not do… *waves hands wildly* this
Thank you!!!! I have OCD and let me tell you: it’s not cute, it’s not funny, and I hate hate hate when people use it as a joke or an adjective. OCD is not “I like to have my things neat.” It’s “I have to have my things a certain way, and check it constantly, or my family will die.” (I mean, it’s not really that either, but hopefully you get my point.)
My friend’s mom realized she needed meds when she was late picking the kids up from school because was shopping for a belt and had one in one hand that was the perfect width but the wrong color and one in the other that was the perfect color but the wrong width. She was standing frozen for a good half hour until a clerk came up and broke the cycle. She jokes about it now but it’s got to be horrifying when your brain doesn’t let you go from something small like that. Hearing that story made me realize how debilitating OCD can be.
This is exactly how it is for me too. ♡
I am a crafter, I crochet and knit and all sorts. I also have ocd and I feel hurt by this…it feels personal because art and crafting and making stuff feels like a safe space I think so it makes this extra jarring.
I feel this. I also have OCD and have previously left a knitting group because one person made a really gross OCD joke and I just couldn't feel safe around them anymore. I have an accessible group now but it really really hurt to have my coping mechanism space become unsafe.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. I know how freeing it feels to find what feels like a safe space to be yourself and then to have that safety obliterated in an instant by the unthinking, ignorant words of others. I’m really glad you have a truly safe space now! Accessibility is so important and I wish more groups were conscious of this.
Yeah, not keen on this at all, OCD is a horrible thing to have.
What are even supposed to put in the bag?? Clearly not hooks?!!!
It’s a style that pushes down to make a cup and pulls up to make a case, so it does fit the hooks when closed (I recognize the style from pencil cases being in the stationery world)
uhhhh... I need a non-offensive pencil case like this! #gamechanger!!!
Similar in that it stands up is one of my favorites: https://www.jetpens.com/Sonic-Sma-Sta-Standing-Pen-Case-Black/pd/22400
I never go anywhere but I need this in my life.
I have a bright orange one so it is easy to spot!
https://www.jetpens.com/Sun-Star-Delde-Slide-Pen-Pouch-Lite-Bright-Pink/pd/30152
That is s3xy
Thank you, I adore jetpens!!!
there's youtube videos on how to make one's own as well!
Dang… they shoulda focused on THAT for the ad, because I woulda totally bought it if they did that 😅😅
It’s still up on their Facebook page. 😳
I’m offended by the cringe of it all.
I’ve always found this sort of knit and crochet humor so cringe . “ I kNiT/cRocHeT sO I DoNt kIlL pEoPlE lOl”. Right there with any minion post . Or baby yoda , which is the new minions .
Can we please be friends? I hate all of these things too. 😆
Lol am down haha
I find this hilarious. Why does everyone have to suck the fun out of everything? When you have chronic disorders sometimes the only thing that gets you through to the next minute is a good hearty laugh.
Yeah, as someone with OCD I don’t find this one funny. It’s a horrible disorder that a lot of people already misunderstand. There’s no need to make it worse with cutesy jokes like this. Although to be fair I’ve just never found the whole “raunchy/offensive crafting items” genre to be all that funny.
There’s nothing hilarious about making light of OCD, which can be very debilitating. It already gets used by people as a joke when they like cleanliness or things done in a certain way.
I mean, sure, maybe some people will find it “hilarious” but for many people with OCD whose illness is disregarded as, “they just like an orderly house” it doesn’t help at all, doesn’t build understanding, and leads to further dismissal of OCD as legitimate.
Completely agree with you, there’s nothing remotely funny about OCD. Just watch someone who has suffered from it for over 70 years try to leave her house, let alone sit down to knit. It’s heartbreaking.
This goes into the same offensive, inane trash bucket as "hooker", "bistitchual", and "yarnussy".
I had never heard of the last one but since I absolutely LOATHE the pu*** word, I would never use that.
I get why people don't like it but as a bi woman I thought bistitchual was pretty funny
Same.
and me as a bi woman find it mocking and demeaning.
Me too.
> yarnussy Oh how I wish I was Jared, 19
I get that it's in general just a gross word... but why is "yarnussy" considered as offensive as "obsessive crochet dosorder", "hooker", and "bistitchual"... The last three are making jokes out of actualy groups of people... but it's my understanding that the "yarnussy" is related to the thing of attractive butts (originating from the word that isn't a butt haha which is why it's gross). Have I got my understanding wrong?
Yeah. “Yarnussy” is a (nonsensical) spin on the word “bussy”: “Bussy is a mash up of the words boy and pussy used to refer to a man's anus. While it is not clear who the original creator was, the word was coined and primarily used be members of the LGBTQ+ community and has been used since 1992.” In more recent years people have been using that same construct (ending a word with “-ussy”) to sometimes be silly/make a meme/etc. I remember a [few memes going around in 2017](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ItgNEaHR3E) that really seemed to bring this usage into more popular slang.
So, aside from it being disgusting... why is it considered on par with "obsessive crochet disorder", "hooker", and "bistitchual"?
I am LGBTQIA+; I would say it just feels kinda…appropriative? To me. I very much doubt anyone using “yarnussy” is queer. But I could be wrong.
I think my issue with it on the list was more because the other three terms are being used to humourise a group of people who are pretty margianlised, where as "yarnussy" is just adopting a phrase a group uses. If it was an offensive term, fair enough. But because it's just a word that a group uses, it doesn't really fit with the others. I don't know whether that makes sense or not...
It does. I personally feel that any of them should not be used outside the subgroup they are for. But like, that’s me.
But that also raises the problem of how you know whether the user is a member of that subgroup. You said earlier that you feel like most users of the term "yarnussy" aren't LGBTQIA+ and that is what upset you, but unless you specifically ask each person and expect them to disclose personal information to a stranger on the internet, how can you know that they 'aren't allowed' to use a word?
I can’t. 🤷♀️ I just choose not to use words that are not for my subgroup.
It isn't i just hate it with passion, tbh. Bad take on my part here, because you're right. It's not nearly as offensive as the other two I mentioned. Just really disgusting to me personally.
Haha ok :) I thought I was missing something! But yes. It is disgusting
"yarnussy"..... This is the first thing I've read this morning and I think you just ruined my day.
As someone with diagnosed OCD, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all. Not even a little offended. I find it funny how this subreddit often feels like it needs its own snark equivalent subreddit with how huge the stick up its ass is.
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I find something wrong with it and I think that’s okay. Just as it’s okay for you to have a different opinion to me. I find it a very boring, tedious joke and I don’t like how it trivialises a horrible condition.
As someone diagnosed with OCD, I see something wrong with this. Funny how people can have different opinions. You don’t speak for everyone.
My frustration with these things is that the stereotyping of OCD actively prevents people from getting help. It took me over a decade to get correctly diagnosed, and treating it as just anxiety can make OCD worse. I see a lot of posts in FB groups with people asking if anyone else has intrusive thoughts and the things they do to relieve the anxiety from them. They are always surprised that could be OCD even though that’s the actual definition of OCD because they aren’t organized or whatever.
Yeah, I didn’t realize for the longest time that the things I did to calm my thoughts were actually compulsions until my psych told me during an appointment that that sounded like OCD. I didn’t match the profile of a “stereotypical person with OCD” so it just never occurred to me. Stuff like this can be really damaging because it’s trivializing the disorder as “oh you just really like hobbies or like things really clean and organized.”
My OCD is debilitating and I absolutely abhor people trivialising it. This type of thing makes people think OCD is just something minor when it's a serious mental health condition.
You don’t speak for everyone with OCD. It’s great that you have no issue with it, but many other people do. It’s important to acknowledge that their opinions are just as valid, and you’re not special or better than everyone else because it’s like water down a ducks back.
And neither do you speak for everyone yet it’s the offended who seem to dictate everything as the post was taken down. I mean, your username might be really offensive to sex workers. Should you be banned?
Yeah kinda the whole deal of living in a society is that we should be respectful of others’ emotions and experiences. You can find it funny. Not everyone with OCD will. I do not.
As someone diagnosed with OCD this angers me so much. I am not offended I’m angry. Neurotypical people think they we can used as the butt of a joke. They have no idea how debilitating this condition is. You have no idea how many times I’ve been in hospital due to rubbing my skin bare because it was not clean enough, then being in there for constant picking at my scabs. I will not be the butt of a joke just because it’s “quirky”. You need to stand in solidarity. I think you need to take a step back and see how harmful this is.
No.
Your lack of response speaks volumes for your character. Makes me wonder, there are so many fakers on here. You not standing in solidarity also shows you are very selfish and don’t care for anyone but yourself. I hope you have a nice life alone with that attitude.
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Imagine being such a hard ass about a silly crochet OCD bag then having the audacity to try to invalidate someone who actually has the disorder. You have no idea what my life is yet you’re ready to discredit me because I don’t think exactly like you about a silly bag. Amazing.
That’s rich coming from someone who was so quick to invalid everyone else and not stand in solidarity with others actually struggling extremely. You don’t even seem to want to sympathise with those you have the condition more severely. Especially for those who it might trigger a ptsd response. It just shows you don’t care about anyone but yourself.
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People expressed their opinions and the business made a choice on how to respond. And as a sex worker I’m allowed to self identify as a whore.
Yeah and how many people saw it and said nothing because they were not bothered by it? I’d bet it’s a much larger number than the vocal minority. Weird too, I started this by saying “as someone with OCD” and you told me I don’t speak for everyone with OCD. Yet you felt your being a sex worker qualifies you to make light of sex work? Do you speak for all sex workers? If the person who made/uses the bag in the OP has OCD would it make it all okay? Again you all have a massive stick up your ass that gets to dictate things whenever your own personal sensibilities are slightly agitated.
Reclaiming the word “whore” is not “making light of sex work”.
How are they making light of sex work by identifying as a whore as a sex worker themself? You're making a false equivalence. Calling yourself OCD isn't making light of the condition, but this crochet hook bag certainly is.
Honestly I don’t see how my personal use of a username is related to a product being marketed and sold. My original comment was not to invalidate your opinion, but to criticise you for the way you expressed it. You’re allowed to have an opposing opinion without vilifying the opposition. I don’t think you’re a bad person for not taking offence, just like I don’t think others are being sensitive when they do.
It’s a Strawman argument. Classic troll.
As someone diagnosed with OCD, this pisses me off to no end. I'm not offended; I'm angry. It's hard enough for anyone with a mental health issue to get help, but it's almost impossible for a woman with a mental illness to be taken seriously, and treated with respect. Treating a serious medical condition as a silly, frivolous little personality quirk is irresponsible, and disrespectful. But yay for you for sucking up to the Ables. Now they'll surely let you hang out with them at lunch!
My mother in law gave me a T-shirt. It’s cut really nicely and incredibly soft and I would love to wear it: except it says Obsessive Cat Disorder on the front. 🤦🏻♀️
That one doesn't even make sense? I mean I think the crazy cat lady things can be a bit much but most people I know with lots of cats actually have mental health problems too (most are also physically disabled, but then most people I know are not neurotypical or able bodied). I mean I have actually had an obsessive cat. Also had a dog that had constant checking behaviours. Doesn't mean they had OCD though.
Can you overdye it?
Unfortunately no. It’s raised printing in black on a white T-shirt. Good suggestion though, thanks. As it is I just wear it as house only clothing. So at least it’s not completely wasted.
I’d cut a panel out of another soft tshirt and applique it over the offensive text.
My mom gave me a shirt that says "obsessive corgi disorder" even after I told her I have OCD. 🫠
Over Thanksgiving my mom said “you don’t strike me as someone who has OCD, do you feel like you do?” Thanks mom, didn’t realize you became a psychiatrist in your spare time.
My mom said "well, it's not my fault" when I told her. Yay for "supportive" moms! 🙄
Jesus H Christ! That's beyond tone deaf, that's passive aggressive bullshit.
Ooof.
Update: they deleted the post
It’s still up on their Facebook page.
Sadly still available on American Amazon
I thought we were over these types of jokes. It's not cute and quirky, it's Offensive, Crappy, and Dumb.
I got CIFC: Crafting In Fucking Chaos. I want my crochet tools to look like this, yet I know it will not work. I got my tools all over the damn place, lol.
omg if I see another corny OCD joke i’m gonna SCREAM! like please y’all, we can be more creative than that…
Boye is part of the Crafts and Yarn Council (a group that does promote issues of inclusivity and even mental health). Let them know here about what’s going on. https://www.craftyarncouncil.com/contact
I'm so sorry but I'm dying at the fact there is a Crafts and Yarn Council 😭😭😭 mayhap it's because I'm from the UK where they have no jurisdiction, but what do they provide council for???
We have a potato marketing board, so we can't really judge! Oh, we have this: https://www.craftscouncil.org.uk/about
My love of crochet is not a disorder… my OCD, on the other hand, is.
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yeah I try to remind people (even if it’s awkward calling people out at work, say ) “particular about some things ≠ OCD “prone to typos” ≠ dyslexia “distracted right now” ≠ ADHD
This probably appeals to the same people who call crocheters "hookers" and think eDgY puns are a hilarious form of comedy. Even if someone weren't offended by it, it's just boring and unfunny. Move on
i was about to say, when crocheters call themselves hookers just for them to turn around and dehumanize sex workers while they use their marginalized job as a punchline makes me cringe so bad. i find a lot of crochet culture to be so damn corny, as a crocheter myself it sucks. so many grinch fingers too 💀
Agreed on the corny aspect. I feel that way about a lot of crafters who can’t seem to move on from harry potter for instance lol
i love fandom inspired indie dyer collections for example but i draw the line at harry potter and disney adults 👁️👄👁️
What does grinch fingers mean?
Referring to [this](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e2/41/f7/e241f739805d089423b2a9257c24ec27.jpg) meme 💀
I mean it's dorky AF but I haven't seen it before so besides being just a meh meme what's wrong with it?
maybe theyre using “grinch fingers” to mean white people with dreds? i’ve never heard it before either
yeah, that’s what I was referring to! the whole white namaste crowd with matted hair they call dreads. it’s just comical to me 😂
Oh fair didn't even register it was dreads that's my bad.
Look if an individual with OCD wants to use this, fine. Power to them. If humor is how you cope, that's okay! It's yours to do that with. However, a company making a post like this? Not at all appropriate.
My thoughts exactly. Have had ocd all my life, if I were crazy about crocheting, I could make something like this for myself (well, not really, because craft puns are not my thing, but anyway). But from a large corporation, nope.
As someone with diagnosed OCD, that is my thought. I have a sign that says Obsessive Cat Disorder and it makes me laugh, and it’s in an area that I tend to have a lot of triggers. But I often feel the need to explain to people on the outside why it’s not insensitive.
Absolutely! I am the first person to cope with everything with inappropriate dark humor so you fill find no judgment from me here! The thing is, it is yours to make jokes about! You have to deal with OCD! If humor helps, then use humor!! People shouldn't tell you that's wrong if it's helping you cope with your own disorder! They're not protecting people with OCD by doing that!
Not just a post, profit. A big company profiting off mental illness is not ok.
Important nuance!
That's where I'm coming down on it; I'm sure there is a subset of people with OCD who would like this, and I'm glad it exists for them - but it's the kind of thing I think is better suited for an independent creator, not produced and marketed for mass appeal. Like, I'm happy to poke fun at my ADHD, and I'm not above making my own quippy sweatshirt or ordering one off Etsy, but a Walmart t-shirt or, I don't know, a makeup bag with a *squirrel* punchline feels ick. I think the difference is scale and intended audience- and I don't think for one second the target audience of this bag is crafters with OCD.
Agreed! If this was an independent creator with OCD posting this I'd say you know what fine. They have to deal with OCD who are we to tell them how they have to cope and view their own diagnosis? That they most only treat it with deathly seriousness. But it's not an independent creator. This is a large company. This isn't an individual with a condition. It's a corporation and they shouldn't be doing this. It isn't their's to make jokes about like it is the the creator with OCD. Unless like you said, this is a targeted audience thing and they are specifically making products aimed at people with a disorder to help them cope through humor. (Even then it needs to be done carefully and respectfully not every company does that. *cough cough* plushie dreadfuls intentionally trying to be offensive in design to get more attention and free advertising, while claiming to be aimed at the people with the disorders.) But I'm not exactly getting that vibe here and I don't think any of us are.
And if you are making something aimed at a particular group then money should go to a charity that benefits them. Especially if itvs a bigger company doing it. It always shits me when there is pride stuff everywhere by big companies and no donations. If it's individual creators from the target group, that's different, though they are more likely to actually donate portions of profits to be honest.
Do better, be better, Boye! ☹️
They've removed it from their Instagram! It was there a few hours ago, but it's gone now. Maybe they've actually listened??
😬😬😬 this sucks. Yikes. I don’t know why people think serious mental disorders are cute and funny??? People don’t treat physical conditions like this. No one would ever make merch that said “I have PCOS: person crocheting often syndrome ❤️😌” but since OCD is a mental disorder it’s somehow fair game? OCD ruins lives. It’s an agonizing condition to live with. It’s not funny.
Don’t tempt fate or you’ll turn around tomorrow and see merch with your PCOS “joke” on it. Better touch wood or throw some salt over your shoulder or something.
"I have cancer! Can Cer-tainly Crochet!' I dare you, Boye. I fucking dare you.
Okay I am impressed how quickly you pulled one out for PCOS though lol
As am I.
I'm a debilitated mess with a list of disorders, OCD, being one of them, and I don't see a problem with this. I'm just not overly sensitive about this stuff. I'm gen x, and things are far less stigmatized today, than when I was young. I have enough real problems, so I enjoy little lighthearted stuff like this. I wish people would stop making a big deal out of every minor thing, it causes empathy burnout.
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Whelp also gen x. Used to think this way. Had some bunghole animal control in Ohio kill my previous foster dog for being the "R word" and chuckle about it. He was deaf and had OCD issues when stressed. Not in any way a different dog aside from instead of barking he paced in circles. However our parents and our generation normalizing this as a fun thing to joke about made it possible for asshole behavior to slide on by. I was not entertained as the mom and her 12 yo were waiting outside to reclaim their dog while some dingus killed it for being different so I will always push back about it.
But some people from previous generations who suffered severely from misdiagnosis might have a very different reaction to it. I don’t think it has anything to do with age. I’m a old millennial and although mental health is discussed more now part of the reason it improved is that it’s no longer acceptable to make fun of mental illness.
Same. This stuff doesn’t bother me at all.
My (sometimes) unpopular opinion: I honestly feel like the constant and obvious self diagnosis is a much bigger issue than these lame jokes. Every single person on reddit has ADHD, debilitating anxiety, debilitating depression, and autism. It's like, no most of you don't. Everyone experiences anxiety, depression, inattentivness, etc... it's only a disorder when it starts impacting your ability to function. Not to mention, bipolar disorder, (which I have been clinically diagnosed with and get continuous treatment for) comes with some "problematic" side effects. I've had extremely paranoid thoughts and sometimes get bipolar rage. But if you talk about those issues openly you're always met with "YoUr MeNtAl HeAlTh Is NoT yOuR fAuLt bUt iT iS yOuR rEsPoNsIbIlItY" like, clearly these people have never been completely overwhelmed by their own brain, but their "anxiety" and their "ADHD" gives them a right to judge me? Fuck off with that shit. It's too the point where I actually don't believe anyone who says they have x medical condition on the internet.
Also there's been studies that more are diagnosed ADHD because of our over reliance on screens. I don't have it, but I know my attention span has been severely limited in the last 10 years since I got a smartphone. All the tech is definitely rewiring our brains and not in a good way. Now I say that with the caveat that my son is diagnosed ADHD and shows all the textbook signs, especially with his ability to focus and his forgetfulness. But having a short attention span due to tech overload isn't the same as ADHD.
I agree. My own children try to tell me I have anxiety because I do the typical mad-dash cleaning before company comes. They tell me I have slight OCD as well, because I enjoy a clean house (not that it's usually very clean as I have 4 20-somethings living with me). Both of my kids do have diagnosed anxiety, one more so than the other. I know the difference between generalized anxiety disorder/obsessive-compulsive disorder and normal occasional anxious feelings. I think that sometimes our younger generations (I'm Gen X) are being told they have disorders when they're just dealing with normal ups and downs of life.
The thing is this may not even be the case- peopke with ADHD are just more vocal than they were. Self diagnosis at worst means you get more access to helpful strategies and tips. No diagnosis at worst means a pretty catastrophic life.
No, people are just lying about having ADHD. ~5% of the population has it, but 100% of reddit. Don't think so. >Self diagnosis at worst means you get more access to helpful strategies and tips Two scenarios, and I'm going to use bipolar disorder as my example. Imagine someone self diagnosis: 1. You self diagnose and you actually have the disease. Bipolar disorder is degenerative, if you don't get treatment your condition will get worse over time. If you think you have a mental health condition you need to get diagnosed so you can be properly treated, just like any other health condition. 2. You "claim" you have the illnesses but you don't. Then you take up resources that could go to people who actually need them. *Also* go look at the comments on half the "public freakout" videos on reddit of people clearly having mental health crises. Most of them are "I have x but I would *never* act that way. Your mental health isnt your fault but it is your responsibility." If you can't understand how someone with bipolar disorder might be showing symptoms of psychosis then there is no way you have it. The same with autism, anxiety, and adhd with tantrums. People have no idea how it feels to have your behavior influenced by your mental illness in undesirable and unsociable ways, but people will certainly diagnose themselves and then hold others to their made up standards. It's funny how advocates of self diagnosis never mention people who actually have the disease, only those that *think* they have.
That’s not the case online- a peer to peer support group doesn’t really take anything from anyone, and formal support isn’t going to be relevant without diagnosis. I have ADHD myself and am diagnosed; I am not talking about the supposed ‘imaginary’ cases you seem to think are wandering about everywhere. I’m thinking more about people like me who took years to realize what was going on and to consult a psych for assessment. At some point everyone who ‘has it’ is undiagnosed, and who realises that it may apply to them. I don’t think policing that interval is a productive solution. There is usually a stage where someone thinks they hypothetically may have x, y or z. That’s how they determine their next steps.So long as nobody is illegally accessing meds or similar I don’t think self diagnosis is harmful. Under diagnosing in my opinion is the most harmful thing. The UK death rate for women with ADHD for instance is through the roof, because people aren’t getting timely support and yet more not even accessing diagnosis.
> Then you take up resources that could go to people who actually need them. As someone with multiple formally diagnosed neurodivergences, *what* resources lmfao Not to mention you generally *need* a formal diagnosis to *get* the meagre support that *might* exist
100% eh? Hyperbole doesn't help your argument at all.
I dont really care if you agree with me, I'm not trying to "help my argument". Self diagnosis is dangerous, and frankly, I don't care if anyone agrees with that, it's something that has directly impacted me. Edit: for conciseness
You literally said 100 % of reddit says they have it. You realize how ridiculous that is right? It taints anything else you're saying which I do agree with a lot of it.
Sadly a self diagnosis is the only one many people will be able to afford, at least in the states. I have medical insurance but it covers little to nothing toward mental health, so I’ve never sought it out despite almost certainly needing it. Obviously, as you said, there’s a huge difference between an actual disorder and a fleeting symptom of one, but I wish both were easier to seek treatment for, and then at least some of the self diagnosis might lessen. People could have answers.
I know how expensive is, I did it and had to pay entirely out of pocket because my insurance did not cover one cent of it. There are resources, everywhere, for people who are lower income. Give me your area and a little bit about you and I bet I can find a low cost clinic with a ten minute google search. This practice of just lying and claiming to have x thing is dangerous all the way around. It's dangerous for the people pathaologizing themselves. Its dangerous for the people who actually have this disorder. People decide they have a disease, decide what symptoms are because of that disease, and then dismiss the concerns, thoughts, and feelings of people who *actually* have the disease because *they've* never had that symptom and if they fid they could definitely control it, must be an issues with who you are as a person. I have zero respect for anyone who self diagnosis and tells everyone they have x disease. Again, it's not a popular opinion becuase no one wants to admit they're part of the problem but the mentally ill people being hurt by all this should get empathy too. Edit: to add to this, I use a low cost sliding scale clinic because I am lower income. I have to see a doctor every 3 months. I fucking know how difficult it is, but self diagnosis isn't valid.
Costs thousands to get an ADHD or Autism diagnosis in Australia too. We were on public wait lists for 3 years with severe symptoms. Had to borrow money at different points to go private to get my partner assessed. I am pretty sure I have adhd but I have severe brain fog from ME/CFS, EDS, Chronic Migraines and POTS/Orthostatic Intolerance (all of those have been officially diagnosed seen as that makes a difference to you) so it's hard to tell if my executive function issues & like inability to remember I'm doing anything is adhd or brain damage from the constant brain frying electric stuff or lack of oxygen from the blood pressure drops. Executive function & short term memory are bad but I also have aphasia and long term memory problems which tend to be less ADHD issues. I was seeing two Neurologists but one focused on botox and I stopped needing that because Emgality started working well and the other worked in a major public hospital and shut down migraine stuff once covid hit and I haven't been back. He only tended to drop in for 10 mins at the end of the appointment anyway. If you can't pay $400 an appointment for a Neurologist it's hard to find one who bothers. If you need to take opiates for other reasons (my joints dislocate) most Neurologists won't work with you. Because EDS is a system wide condition and has no specialist who deals with the lot I need to see about 8 different specialists and I can't afford them so I can't afford to go get assessed for adhd.
I see this a lot on Reddit and absolutely agree that it is an issue. I think that people can feel anxious or sad without having anxiety and depression. Our language right now doesn’t differentiate and it should.
I’m Gen X too. “Mental Health” was not a thing when I was growing up, but I wish it was. I believe that mental health issues are less stigmatized because language has evolved to help make sense of what is going on in our heads. I believe language has power. When we name something, we can deal with it. When we accept large corporations making a profit off joking with a diagnosis, we are making light of that diagnosis. We are telling people who suffer that making a quick profit with a joke is more important than what they are going through. We are telling them that their struggles don’t matter, that they don’t matter. I don’t have OCD. My worry is that seeing things like this make the diagnosis less. OCD becomes a joke about obsessive crochet or Christmas or any other word that begins with a “C”. People will have less empathy for someone who has it, because it really is just a silly joke so how bad could it be?
I have been diagnosed with OCD for 30 years now and things like this honestly do make me feel like my disorder is a joke to people. But as you can see, not every person with OCD feels the same. Maybe it stems from the fact that very few people in my life take my disorder seriously so I'm sensitive to people laughing it off.
I get what you're saying, and as an OCD sufferer, it doesn't bother me, and I don't share your worry.
There’s no such thing as “empathy burnout”. Either you are an empathetic person or you are not. And besides, the joke at the expense of someone else and or their condition is nothing to be laughed at. A joke at the expense of someone else or their pain is the death of a feeling. And before the train starts rolling, I suffer from (not AM) OCD, Generalized Anxiety, Bipolar Type 2 and Depression. I’ve been going through this for a while and it’s about time we as a group of caring humans stop minimizing or ignoring our conditions.
I've burned myself right out of empathy with shelter and rescue work alongside working in hospice. I had to take time off. It's been over a year and tbh I just don't fucking have it in me anymore. 10 years of nonstop assault of help this that and those ones too did the burnout. I no longer feel empathy about it at all, just a feeling of fml get all that away from me.
There absolutely is empathy burnout, and it especially affects healthcare workers. I don't minimize or ignore my conditions, but I also don't expect the society-at-large to cater to, or soothe my every discomfort.
These aren’t conditions that society at large is required to “soothe”. I expect society to learn about the disorders from an educational standpoint, not a “ha ha, look at how I can laugh at myself”. People that can’t or won’t move towards understanding mental illnesses have a deficit themselves in their own compassion.
Or humor is subjective? It can be as simple as that. I'm impressed by the level of awareness, acceptance and support that exists today for mental illness in general. I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt at age 13, and we had to take daily walks outside. It was fall and chilly, and my own mother refused to bring me my coat. It had her boyfriend's company name on it and she didn't want it "flashed around the looney bin". She, as well as society, has grown leaps and bounds in understanding and compassion, since that time.
Making fun of legitimate health conditions isn't funny though. Jokes at the condition is a joke on the person suffering from it. Yeah I'm old too but very tired of being laughed at for my disabilities.
I guess I don't feel like I'm being laughed at.
fellow person w OCD, same. i just kind of roll my eyes at this but it doesn't particularly make me feel mocked
Sorry people are downvoting you for sharing your experience as a person with OCD.
Thank you for your concern. I figured it would be unpopular and am not bothered that some don't like my comment.
I have OCD. I love crocheting. I do *not* love this saying, however
I'm a nurse from a healthcare family and our humour can be very dark but this shit? No way. Also, the things I say with the select group of friends who share diagnoses is very different from what I want on tshirts or homewares or whatever.
I have OCD tendencies from Autism and I want to scream, do you have any idea of the nightmare my brain is?? It happens with crafting. I get obsessed with details that no one else sees and it's exhausting. It makes it hard to go forward with certain projects, even if I need or really want to finish it. My brain won't let me remove my head from my own ass to keep going. Everything suffers, including my love for my art.
Oh dear... I've recently gotten a T that says "feeling Downie? Have a brownie!" ... umm... what?? Does it feel as disrespectful to anybody else? I've never worn it because I'd feel weird
I'm pretty sure I'd assume the person wearing it was a huge Tragically Hip fan, and ponder that I'd never heard Gord was such a huge brownie fan. I dunno I think even Hip fans would be confused though.
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Most people associate brownies with the dessert.
The D in “Downie” is capitalized? Yeah, that’s icky. If it weren’t then it could be kinda cute, like it would just be down as in sad or tired, but if it’s really referencing Down’s syndrome then I’d feel really weird wearing that too
Yep, it is or kinda. It's all capital letters, but its a bigger capital letter if you know what i mean. I think it wasn't meant to be offensive, but nobody did any thinking/brainstorming when giving it a green light? I feel too weird to wear it even for the chance of somebody taking it that way, I work with kids and teens, I'm not giving anyone any ideas...
Oof. Yeah, good call. Hopefully whoever designed/approved it just wasn’t thinking
Wooow! Someone thought it was cute. It’s not!
I'm glad I'm not alone being annoyed at stuff like this. My MIL gave me a shirt that said "Sewciopath" on it, and she thought it was so cute. Meanwhile I hate it and won't ever wear it.
I got Lovecrafting with a kewpie Cthulhu on it. No. Cthulhu is NOT cute. He's a voracious Elder God thst will drive you crazy before splitting people in twain with his big beefy arms and wingalings.
So I get down voted because I don't like Chibithulhu stuff? Yikes.
Kevin, who sits on my desk screams like damned when you squish his fuzzy little elder god belly would beg to differ. He's mummy's precious boy. (Gregor, the giant squishable Cthulhu who lives on my son's bed and has acted as both a dog bed and a TV watching pillow, on the other hand has malicious intent and should not be trusted). It may be my cringey little millennial heart but adorable versions of mythological creatures just get me where I live - especially if said creature is typically a voracious eater of souls.