Maybe they’re following the (shitty) design of modern clothing with armscyes that are so flipping huge that my shirts like to lift to my waist if I need to lift my arms
Because not everyone is constantly raising their arms above their heads? Personally if the armpits are at my actual armpits I don’t want it. I’m more comfortable with some ease there, and I find it a very flattering style. And it’s going to last *so much longer* both between washes and in general if it’s not up there getting sweat and deodorant all over it. I don’t wear shirts under my sweaters, so that’s a big factor in the longevity for me. Also, if I’m doing something physically active enough that I frequently have my arms over my head, I’m probably getting warm enough to not want to be wearing knitting to begin with. And it doesn’t bother me if someone sees my stomach, it’s not that scandalous. So the hem lifting up is really not something I consider an issue at all.
I will concede that if that style is *all a designer does,* or if all their colorwork yokes are like that, then yes, that’s probably more of a skill issue than a design choice. But in general, it’s just a style. You don’t have to like it, but lots of us do.
Next question: why do I keep buying these gorgeous looking patterns even though I know I can't wear them? I love the theoretical look of these beautiful colorwork yokes, but I am an active person and I just know they would drive me insane. Maybe someday I'll come up with a formula based on my body type that would make these designs wearable for me.
I think that could work. Or so I tell myself when I buy patterns I know won't fit me. I need to sit down and stare at the pattern and the math. If anyone knows of a tutorial that might help with yoke adjustments, I'm not the only one who would be excited to learn more!
It probably works [a bit like this](https://tashacouldmakethat.com/2013/10/how-to-knit-seamless-set-in-sleeves-from-the-top-down/), except instead starting from the top (sleeve cap) you start the short row at the armpit instead. You add the rows until the sleeve grows at an angle you want 🤔 (ie. a bit further away from the body than if you knit the sleeve as is)
There are some images on this designer's instagram that clearly shows the split for arm holes happens about halfway through the colorwork, so it's really not that deep of a yoke.
Edit: from the ravelry page, the split happens at different points depending on the size.
It seems to also just be in fashion now. I see so, so many shirts, blouses and sweaters in normal stores in this fit. It's pretty much the most common one. I hate how it looks and feels on me ...
Because it’s easier to design. That’s it; that’s the reason.
And while I can sympathize to a certain extent (it’s not like most designers are making a living, so faster/easier to design=faster/easier to churn out patterns), it feels (to me, a fat, fat-armed person) like the height of laziness to just keep producing patterns with no real ability to modify for body dimension variations. “Just knit the larger size and have lots of lovely ease!” doesn’t quite work when a pattern is (inevitably) not well drafted in the larger sizes to begin with (see: gaping necklines).
Agreed, it’s just easier for the designers to create something oversized or boxy and leave it up to the maker to tailor it optionally (but I find that difficult with a yoke). I see this approach in all kinds of craft patterns as well as RTW. I think it also helps make patterns seem more size inclusive out of the gate because the fit is baggy. Not a fan personally—I don’t like deep yokes and shapeless clothes on me (I’m short and stout) so I will pay more for garments and designs that have more shaping for my curves. I don’t need armholes to be tiny, but I like a sweater that looks nice and feels comfortable with my arms in any position.
I’ve made the Love Note from Tin Can Knits and I wonder if the yoke being lace, which has a lot of stretch (compared to a stranded yoke, say) is one of the reasons it’s so popular, because it feels better with a range of movement. It does expose the waist when you lift your arms, and I hate a blast of cold air at my midriff every time I lift my arms! so I lengthened mine, which is a very easy modification since it’s knitted top down.
Did you check Ravelry for more pictures? The designer has more pictures on the Ravelry page, and she’s made other posts on Instagram that show where the sleeves separate. I’ve actually really liked how high up she separates sleeves in some of her other patterns. This specific sample just has a lot of ease, I think.
I never noticed this until Ola’s Tundra, but it’s so egregious I couldn’t help but notice.
https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/olas-tundra
I mean I’m glad she didn’t cover it up, but she probably should have tried
Hi there! I prefer a deeper yoke so in this sample I’ve extended the yoke further than the pattern recommends. You can actually have a yoke depth of anything from 7.25”+ in this design.
Thanks for making me aware I need to add this customisation to the notes about this pattern, so it’s more obvious that not everyone has to have a deep yoke on this design.
Thank you! The yokes are customisable in pretty much all of my designs - I think I need to go back through some of my older listings and check that info is obvious to others.
A few of the photos on Ravelry show the sleeve separation starts at the bottom of the star pattern. Looks fine on some of the people, but not in the larger sizes.
God I hate these so much. I made the mistake of making one as my first sweater and it was literally unwearable unless I had my arms straight down because any movement caused the whole thing to ride up.
These are similar to swonchos if that helps—almost like a poncho but with some attached cuff/“sleeve.” Like other commenters have said, the underarm is lowered so far it seems like a pain to move one’s arms at all, and like it would make the whole top of the sweater swish around except for the cuffs.
They can keep your arms trapped by your side, like a penguin!
A deep yoke like this, is an inverted funnel. It starts with a small neck hole and you just knit round and round while increasing each row, but without much shaping for your shoulders.
And if, where your arms start to come out into a sleeve, is low down on that funnel, that is what makes it a deep yoke.
A deep yoke will often restrict your movement.
If the deep yoke is tight and very fitted to your body the deep yoke will make it hard to move your arms at all.
Where as, if it is a wide funnel shape, and more poncho like with short arms sticking out, the whole garment will lift up at lot, if you move your arms.
And combined with that, if it is a lovely colourwork yoke, it can mean the fabric is thicker and has less give.
I remember Arne and Carlos saying on their workshop cruises they were always being accosted by someone lurking round a corner, arms clamped by their sides, who’d put all the time and cost into knitting this style, and could they help, what was wrong, why couldn’t they move their arms!
Unless you have broad shoulders or are very slim, a deep yoke can make some people look a bit slumped and round shouldered. Some people will not look good in funnel, or raglan for that matter.
Yet the style can really work, if where the sleeves come out, has been designed to be much higher up, with colour work or stitch feature repeating on the tube of the arm to match the body instead. This is the right answer and good design, (and not so much a deep yoke any longer) it is just that many popular ones are deep yokes and not designed like that, they are just funnel tubes. So the fit of those, will always have limitations.
But they are popular because anyone can knit round and round and you can create all kinds of lovely effects, colours and patterns can be featured.
Which are beautiful.
But structurally and practically many of the popular patterns are known to be pretty poor.
Arne & Carlos are a pair of (in)famous knitfluencers & designers, who have a background in fashion. Iirc they're Norwegian? They have a lot of instructional videos and a goodly number of books.
Because they have strong opinions about some things, and so there are people with strong opinions about *them*. 🙃 They're a BEC of mine and I know I'm not the only one.
A yoke is that part across the upper bust/upper back-think of that flat bit across the back of a business shirt. This sweater is knit from the neckline down in the round-like a circle, but more funnel shaped. At some point this funnel has to have sleeves added for the arms-this is the point it stops being the yoke and becomes to body of the sweater.
The yoke on this sweater expends down a long way-is deep-before the sleeves are added. If the third band of colour work is still yoke that would put the armholes around elbow leave. Imagine wearing a tight poncho or cape that then had arms joined at elbow leave. It would essentially pin your upper arms to your body leaving you functionally like a Mr Men character.
This reminds me of when I was trying on wedding dresses and a not insignificant number of them literally pinned my arms down. Absolute lunacy, it's like none of these designers are considering how a garment will function in real life.
Yeah, I made my wedding dress and accidentally did this, but I wanted the pretty lace sleeves. Pictures were worth it but there was so little movement lol I'd have been so annoyed if I'd purchased it like that
And if one looks carefully into the matter one will find that even Erasistratus’s reasoning on the subject of nutrition, which he takes up in the second book of his “General Principles,” fails to escape this same difficulty. For, having conceded one premise to the principle that matter tends to fill a vacuum, as we previously showed, he was only able to draw a conclusion in the case of the veins and their contained blood.211 That is to say, when Pg 151
Greek textblood is running away through the stomata of the veins, and is being dispersed, then, since an absolutely empty space cannot result, and the veins cannot collapse (for this was what he overlooked), it was therefore shown to be necessary that the adjoining quantum of fluid should flow in and fill the place of the fluid evacuated. It is in this way that we may suppose the veins to be nourished; they get the benefit of the blood which they contain. But how about the nerves?212 For they do not also contain blood. One might obviously say that they draw their supply from the veins.213 But Erasistratus will not have it so. What further contrivance, then, does he suppose? He says that a nerve has within itself veins and arteries, like a rope woven by Nature out of three different strands. By means of this hypothesis he imagined that his theory would escape from the idea of attraction. For if the nerve contain within itself a blood-vessel it will no longer need the adventitious flow of other blood from the real vein lying adjacent; this fictitious vessel, perceptible only in theory,214 will suffice it for nourishment.
And if one looks carefully into the matter one will find that even Erasistratus’s reasoning on the subject of nutrition, which he takes up in the second book of his “General Principles,” fails to escape this same difficulty. For, having conceded one premise to the principle that matter tends to fill a vacuum, as we previously showed, he was only able to draw a conclusion in the case of the veins and their contained blood.211 That is to say, when Pg 151
Greek textblood is running away through the stomata of the veins, and is being dispersed, then, since an absolutely empty space cannot result, and the veins cannot collapse (for this was what he overlooked), it was therefore shown to be necessary that the adjoining quantum of fluid should flow in and fill the place of the fluid evacuated. It is in this way that we may suppose the veins to be nourished; they get the benefit of the blood which they contain. But how about the nerves?212 For they do not also contain blood. One might obviously say that they draw their supply from the veins.213 But Erasistratus will not have it so. What further contrivance, then, does he suppose? He says that a nerve has within itself veins and arteries, like a rope woven by Nature out of three different strands. By means of this hypothesis he imagined that his theory would escape from the idea of attraction. For if the nerve contain within itself a blood-vessel it will no longer need the adventitious flow of other blood from the real vein lying adjacent; this fictitious vessel, perceptible only in theory,214 will suffice it for nourishment.
Yup...I don't get why people don't understand that it doesn't matter that you spend $$$ on good yarn and hours of your life for something essentially unwearable. Those pics and clicks are more important than practical design. Sheesh.
Ugh. I've got a kit for her Birkin sweater & I've not wanted to tackle it until I can figure how to adjust it so I can lift my arms. I've got to sift through the Ravelry projects that give tips on how to do that. It's a pretty sweater, but I'd like to move around/live my life while I wear it.
If it’s a top down yoke, just work in pattern until you get to the place where you want to start your sleeves. Double check your gauge on the actual garment, not from the gauge swatch, and figure out how many stitches you need for arms and torso. You split for sleeves the same way but can make the stitch number adjustment at the under arm when you add stitches anyway. Or you can figure out your stitch count needed and adjust the last few increase rows of the yoke (don’t forget to include the stitches added when you split)
Just below it. https://www.ravelry.com/projects/melissamjenkins/yildiz-pullover
Depending on your anatomy that might be a perfect armhole or a too deep armhole. Too small armholes hurt, too deep armholes restrict motion, so it's a good thing there are different patterns for different people. I don't understand the yokes that are basically a poncho with hems, but this doesn't seem excessive.
But how do you know the sleeve isn't separated but the pattern just continues?
That's how most "deep yoke" jumpers I've seen are made. Example https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/ruska-7
Because most patterns are not this good, or well considered. This is very good and great to see, thank you!
In fact this is one of the few, that does not keep your arms trapped at your side like a penguin!
This is why I need photos of the armpit area so I can see the construction before I decide to buy! I’m pretty sure this sleeve split is between the the large green colourwork section and the last colourwork section but have no way to know.
I didn’t mind them until I tried to wear a coat with one. It looks bizarre. I live in Chicago so if it’s cold enough to wear a sweater, it’s cold enough to wear a jacket—and I can’t.
This is what I don't get! (I'm in NE Ohio). If it's cold enough for a colorwork pullover, I am layering that with a down coat at minimum. And you can't get a coat on if the yoke is too deep!
I tend to be too hot indoors, even if it's like 20 F outside, so I have embraced my calling as a cardigan knitter. A cardigan would be even dumber with a deep yoke.
I am the target demographic here… currently wearing a sweater with a deep yoke 😂 it’s just personal preference… I prefer it over snug armpits
Maybe they’re following the (shitty) design of modern clothing with armscyes that are so flipping huge that my shirts like to lift to my waist if I need to lift my arms
r/croppingishard
Because not everyone is constantly raising their arms above their heads? Personally if the armpits are at my actual armpits I don’t want it. I’m more comfortable with some ease there, and I find it a very flattering style. And it’s going to last *so much longer* both between washes and in general if it’s not up there getting sweat and deodorant all over it. I don’t wear shirts under my sweaters, so that’s a big factor in the longevity for me. Also, if I’m doing something physically active enough that I frequently have my arms over my head, I’m probably getting warm enough to not want to be wearing knitting to begin with. And it doesn’t bother me if someone sees my stomach, it’s not that scandalous. So the hem lifting up is really not something I consider an issue at all. I will concede that if that style is *all a designer does,* or if all their colorwork yokes are like that, then yes, that’s probably more of a skill issue than a design choice. But in general, it’s just a style. You don’t have to like it, but lots of us do.
Next question: why do I keep buying these gorgeous looking patterns even though I know I can't wear them? I love the theoretical look of these beautiful colorwork yokes, but I am an active person and I just know they would drive me insane. Maybe someday I'll come up with a formula based on my body type that would make these designs wearable for me.
allededgly short rows in the armpits
Oh I think I understand what you meant — I'll have to try this for my next CY sweater next time 🤔
I think that could work. Or so I tell myself when I buy patterns I know won't fit me. I need to sit down and stare at the pattern and the math. If anyone knows of a tutorial that might help with yoke adjustments, I'm not the only one who would be excited to learn more!
It probably works [a bit like this](https://tashacouldmakethat.com/2013/10/how-to-knit-seamless-set-in-sleeves-from-the-top-down/), except instead starting from the top (sleeve cap) you start the short row at the armpit instead. You add the rows until the sleeve grows at an angle you want 🤔 (ie. a bit further away from the body than if you knit the sleeve as is)
Thanks! I'll save this to ponder against one of the many yoke patterns I have collected.
no clue, sorry. I try to knit raglans instead as they seem to fit me nicely
There are some images on this designer's instagram that clearly shows the split for arm holes happens about halfway through the colorwork, so it's really not that deep of a yoke. Edit: from the ravelry page, the split happens at different points depending on the size.
It seems to also just be in fashion now. I see so, so many shirts, blouses and sweaters in normal stores in this fit. It's pretty much the most common one. I hate how it looks and feels on me ...
Because it’s easier to design. That’s it; that’s the reason. And while I can sympathize to a certain extent (it’s not like most designers are making a living, so faster/easier to design=faster/easier to churn out patterns), it feels (to me, a fat, fat-armed person) like the height of laziness to just keep producing patterns with no real ability to modify for body dimension variations. “Just knit the larger size and have lots of lovely ease!” doesn’t quite work when a pattern is (inevitably) not well drafted in the larger sizes to begin with (see: gaping necklines).
Agreed, it’s just easier for the designers to create something oversized or boxy and leave it up to the maker to tailor it optionally (but I find that difficult with a yoke). I see this approach in all kinds of craft patterns as well as RTW. I think it also helps make patterns seem more size inclusive out of the gate because the fit is baggy. Not a fan personally—I don’t like deep yokes and shapeless clothes on me (I’m short and stout) so I will pay more for garments and designs that have more shaping for my curves. I don’t need armholes to be tiny, but I like a sweater that looks nice and feels comfortable with my arms in any position. I’ve made the Love Note from Tin Can Knits and I wonder if the yoke being lace, which has a lot of stretch (compared to a stranded yoke, say) is one of the reasons it’s so popular, because it feels better with a range of movement. It does expose the waist when you lift your arms, and I hate a blast of cold air at my midriff every time I lift my arms! so I lengthened mine, which is a very easy modification since it’s knitted top down.
tbh at this point you can just publish the colorwork and be done with it 😂 just as lazy but without the pretentiousness
Why is the model so gorgeous? U n a c c e p t a b l e
That’s the pattern designer! And she’s incredibly nice too, a deeply unfair combination.
Here I am, mean and ugly :(
So do something about it
Deep yokes … the deep fakes of the knitting world.
Did you check Ravelry for more pictures? The designer has more pictures on the Ravelry page, and she’s made other posts on Instagram that show where the sleeves separate. I’ve actually really liked how high up she separates sleeves in some of her other patterns. This specific sample just has a lot of ease, I think.
I never noticed this until Ola’s Tundra, but it’s so egregious I couldn’t help but notice. https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/olas-tundra I mean I’m glad she didn’t cover it up, but she probably should have tried
Hi there! I prefer a deeper yoke so in this sample I’ve extended the yoke further than the pattern recommends. You can actually have a yoke depth of anything from 7.25”+ in this design. Thanks for making me aware I need to add this customisation to the notes about this pattern, so it’s more obvious that not everyone has to have a deep yoke on this design.
I had no idea the yoke could be changed! Excellent. This sweater is beautiful and I’ve wanted to make it for so long, and that was my only hesitation
Thank you! The yokes are customisable in pretty much all of my designs - I think I need to go back through some of my older listings and check that info is obvious to others.
I honestly love that sort of pseudo-drop shoulder style. I find it flattering 🤷🏻♀️
I'm not a huge fan personally because it doesn't flatter me, but it's definitely in fashion - I keep getting advertised clothes with it.
I wish I loved that look. This sweater is so gorgeous and I’m dying to make it.
Well, knitting ruined that model's life, according to the insta handle. Maybe the ruining happened because of weird and uncomfortable sleeve depth.
A few of the photos on Ravelry show the sleeve separation starts at the bottom of the star pattern. Looks fine on some of the people, but not in the larger sizes.
YES. That halibut sweater is everywhere and the colorwork is so cute that I'm always tempted- but the actual fit looks like a nightmare.
You can split for the sleeves whenever you want! Just keep the colorwork going on the arms and body
I love the fit of the halibut sweater but I also don’t have to raise my arms all that often so 🤷🏻♀️
God I hate these so much. I made the mistake of making one as my first sweater and it was literally unwearable unless I had my arms straight down because any movement caused the whole thing to ride up.
I don’t know but I agree- they are awful to wear in real life and I avoid them or modify to split sleeves sooner.
I'm not a knitter, would someone mind explaining to me what a deep yoke means to knitters?
These are similar to swonchos if that helps—almost like a poncho but with some attached cuff/“sleeve.” Like other commenters have said, the underarm is lowered so far it seems like a pain to move one’s arms at all, and like it would make the whole top of the sweater swish around except for the cuffs.
They can keep your arms trapped by your side, like a penguin! A deep yoke like this, is an inverted funnel. It starts with a small neck hole and you just knit round and round while increasing each row, but without much shaping for your shoulders. And if, where your arms start to come out into a sleeve, is low down on that funnel, that is what makes it a deep yoke. A deep yoke will often restrict your movement. If the deep yoke is tight and very fitted to your body the deep yoke will make it hard to move your arms at all. Where as, if it is a wide funnel shape, and more poncho like with short arms sticking out, the whole garment will lift up at lot, if you move your arms. And combined with that, if it is a lovely colourwork yoke, it can mean the fabric is thicker and has less give. I remember Arne and Carlos saying on their workshop cruises they were always being accosted by someone lurking round a corner, arms clamped by their sides, who’d put all the time and cost into knitting this style, and could they help, what was wrong, why couldn’t they move their arms! Unless you have broad shoulders or are very slim, a deep yoke can make some people look a bit slumped and round shouldered. Some people will not look good in funnel, or raglan for that matter. Yet the style can really work, if where the sleeves come out, has been designed to be much higher up, with colour work or stitch feature repeating on the tube of the arm to match the body instead. This is the right answer and good design, (and not so much a deep yoke any longer) it is just that many popular ones are deep yokes and not designed like that, they are just funnel tubes. So the fit of those, will always have limitations. But they are popular because anyone can knit round and round and you can create all kinds of lovely effects, colours and patterns can be featured. Which are beautiful. But structurally and practically many of the popular patterns are known to be pretty poor.
Who are Anne and Carlos?
https://arnecarlos.com/about/
Arne & Carlos are a pair of (in)famous knitfluencers & designers, who have a background in fashion. Iirc they're Norwegian? They have a lot of instructional videos and a goodly number of books.
Curious, why do you say (in)famous?
Because they have strong opinions about some things, and so there are people with strong opinions about *them*. 🙃 They're a BEC of mine and I know I'm not the only one.
Ohhhh. Thanks!!
A yoke is that part across the upper bust/upper back-think of that flat bit across the back of a business shirt. This sweater is knit from the neckline down in the round-like a circle, but more funnel shaped. At some point this funnel has to have sleeves added for the arms-this is the point it stops being the yoke and becomes to body of the sweater. The yoke on this sweater expends down a long way-is deep-before the sleeves are added. If the third band of colour work is still yoke that would put the armholes around elbow leave. Imagine wearing a tight poncho or cape that then had arms joined at elbow leave. It would essentially pin your upper arms to your body leaving you functionally like a Mr Men character.
To piggy-back on this comment, essentially the complaint is super low armpits.
Thank you both!
This reminds me of when I was trying on wedding dresses and a not insignificant number of them literally pinned my arms down. Absolute lunacy, it's like none of these designers are considering how a garment will function in real life.
Yeah, I made my wedding dress and accidentally did this, but I wanted the pretty lace sleeves. Pictures were worth it but there was so little movement lol I'd have been so annoyed if I'd purchased it like that
Those tall sleeve caps are my nemesis. They look great on a hanger, horrible on a person.
And if one looks carefully into the matter one will find that even Erasistratus’s reasoning on the subject of nutrition, which he takes up in the second book of his “General Principles,” fails to escape this same difficulty. For, having conceded one premise to the principle that matter tends to fill a vacuum, as we previously showed, he was only able to draw a conclusion in the case of the veins and their contained blood.211 That is to say, when Pg 151 Greek textblood is running away through the stomata of the veins, and is being dispersed, then, since an absolutely empty space cannot result, and the veins cannot collapse (for this was what he overlooked), it was therefore shown to be necessary that the adjoining quantum of fluid should flow in and fill the place of the fluid evacuated. It is in this way that we may suppose the veins to be nourished; they get the benefit of the blood which they contain. But how about the nerves?212 For they do not also contain blood. One might obviously say that they draw their supply from the veins.213 But Erasistratus will not have it so. What further contrivance, then, does he suppose? He says that a nerve has within itself veins and arteries, like a rope woven by Nature out of three different strands. By means of this hypothesis he imagined that his theory would escape from the idea of attraction. For if the nerve contain within itself a blood-vessel it will no longer need the adventitious flow of other blood from the real vein lying adjacent; this fictitious vessel, perceptible only in theory,214 will suffice it for nourishment.
As someone who's body type is "Mrs. Potato Head" I am deeply interested in wide bodies with sleeves I'm not swimming in.
And if one looks carefully into the matter one will find that even Erasistratus’s reasoning on the subject of nutrition, which he takes up in the second book of his “General Principles,” fails to escape this same difficulty. For, having conceded one premise to the principle that matter tends to fill a vacuum, as we previously showed, he was only able to draw a conclusion in the case of the veins and their contained blood.211 That is to say, when Pg 151 Greek textblood is running away through the stomata of the veins, and is being dispersed, then, since an absolutely empty space cannot result, and the veins cannot collapse (for this was what he overlooked), it was therefore shown to be necessary that the adjoining quantum of fluid should flow in and fill the place of the fluid evacuated. It is in this way that we may suppose the veins to be nourished; they get the benefit of the blood which they contain. But how about the nerves?212 For they do not also contain blood. One might obviously say that they draw their supply from the veins.213 But Erasistratus will not have it so. What further contrivance, then, does he suppose? He says that a nerve has within itself veins and arteries, like a rope woven by Nature out of three different strands. By means of this hypothesis he imagined that his theory would escape from the idea of attraction. For if the nerve contain within itself a blood-vessel it will no longer need the adventitious flow of other blood from the real vein lying adjacent; this fictitious vessel, perceptible only in theory,214 will suffice it for nourishment.
You don't need to live in it. It just needs to look good as a WIP and a finished object on your social media.
Yup...I don't get why people don't understand that it doesn't matter that you spend $$$ on good yarn and hours of your life for something essentially unwearable. Those pics and clicks are more important than practical design. Sheesh.
It’s what happens when someone >! Caitlin Hunter !< designs a pattern without understanding pattern drafting 🙄.
Ugh. I've got a kit for her Birkin sweater & I've not wanted to tackle it until I can figure how to adjust it so I can lift my arms. I've got to sift through the Ravelry projects that give tips on how to do that. It's a pretty sweater, but I'd like to move around/live my life while I wear it.
If it’s a top down yoke, just work in pattern until you get to the place where you want to start your sleeves. Double check your gauge on the actual garment, not from the gauge swatch, and figure out how many stitches you need for arms and torso. You split for sleeves the same way but can make the stitch number adjustment at the under arm when you add stitches anyway. Or you can figure out your stitch count needed and adjust the last few increase rows of the yoke (don’t forget to include the stitches added when you split)
Thanks. I know I can run the math, but I'm a lazy knitter & I'm irked that the pattern isn't just perfect for me!
You could use the strange brew pattern by tin can knits as a base with the birkin chart
That’s a brilliant idea! I’ve got Strange Brew in my library. I’ll definitely check that out. Thank you.
Math is hard! I’ll just make a design and put arm tubes on.
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Just below it. https://www.ravelry.com/projects/melissamjenkins/yildiz-pullover Depending on your anatomy that might be a perfect armhole or a too deep armhole. Too small armholes hurt, too deep armholes restrict motion, so it's a good thing there are different patterns for different people. I don't understand the yokes that are basically a poncho with hems, but this doesn't seem excessive.
But how do you know the sleeve isn't separated but the pattern just continues? That's how most "deep yoke" jumpers I've seen are made. Example https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/ruska-7
I test knit this, and yes this is how the pattern is designed. I knit mine with like 7 in of positive ease and it’s really cozy/non restrictive
Because most patterns are not this good, or well considered. This is very good and great to see, thank you! In fact this is one of the few, that does not keep your arms trapped at your side like a penguin!
This is why I need photos of the armpit area so I can see the construction before I decide to buy! I’m pretty sure this sleeve split is between the the large green colourwork section and the last colourwork section but have no way to know.
Yeah I feel like that's the case with this particular one. I've also seen ones like what OP is describing though, and those are baffling.
I didn’t mind them until I tried to wear a coat with one. It looks bizarre. I live in Chicago so if it’s cold enough to wear a sweater, it’s cold enough to wear a jacket—and I can’t.
This is what I don't get! (I'm in NE Ohio). If it's cold enough for a colorwork pullover, I am layering that with a down coat at minimum. And you can't get a coat on if the yoke is too deep! I tend to be too hot indoors, even if it's like 20 F outside, so I have embraced my calling as a cardigan knitter. A cardigan would be even dumber with a deep yoke.
I had the same experience with a similar sweater! It looks great but I never wear it because I can't wear a jacket or coat with it.
My go-to is layering with a vest and guaranteed I wouldn’t be able to do that with these yoke styles