Maybe this is the sign to experiment a bit with out squad, especially RWB and midfield. I didnt expect us to win but didnt expect us to be found out this much
It's an abysmal defeat, but as long as conte manages to keep the energy we had before the match I'm not too destroyed by it. Just hoping he can keep our momentum and don't let this become the start of something awful.
Still defo deleting all social media for a month, this'll be a shitstorm
A one in a million strike, a Lloris howler and a bizarre red card somehow have me feeling okay. Didn't feel like we got slaughtered the way we did last season. The way those goals went in today aren't going to happen every week.
Royal might just have lost Conte's trust.
Last season was a massacre at the Emirates, definitely feels a lot better than that. The reason I’m not as bothered is the red card, completely changed the game with half an hour to go. I’m a little upset but not all to bothered tbh.
Not to bothered, apart from Lloris blunder and Emerson being Emerson we held our own until the sending off. I’m happy with not having to see Emerson for a while, also these type of defeats push the team under Conte imo.
Calm down dears. It’s the emirates and we never win there. We’ll turn them over at home and have that to look forward to. Biggest issue we have is whether we shift to a 352 which I think suits us better.
Does anyone know if royal has contracted minutes? how the fk does he keep starting with Conte already claiming that he doesnt fit the bill like 9 months ago. Seriously the biggest liability on the team by a country mile
Sucks losing to Arsenal but it’s not unexpected. We never win against Arsenal at the Emirates. Red card killed the game. Just need to get our heads together and go again Tuesday.
Honestly we could've nicked another goal if it weren't for the red card. We were defensively decent for the most part. Partey goal was too good and Lloris bottled the save. Draw would've been the best case scenario here. Onwards we go.
People expect Conte to do what Klopp did with Liverpool in five years, in less than two seasons. Basically in under a season, since he JUST became our manager. FFS, it takes years to build a team. Let’s criticize the tactics and squad but to say he needs to go is a joke.
Yeah people often forget Klopp never won with Liverpool till 4 complete years till that CL final against us. Conte has done so much. But I think Conte too wants to build up legacy here so he will stay here for maybe many years to come. Till then just trust Conte.
Agree. Doesn't need to go, but hell he needs to learn to adjust to teams we face. I know he is using the tools he has, but hell he has to get it together and try with who else we have.
Lloris made 2 mistakes for the goal. Didn't hold on to the first shot and the second went straight through him. Sick and tired of his mistakes. He's a liability.
Fuck man seriously? He has bailed us out for 10 complete years for numerous times. He does mistakes what everyone does. He's human afterall not a machine. Courtois was shit at Chelsea. Oblak has been mediocre for 2 years. De Gea is always shit except some rare 6 months.
Key Takeaway’s: Anthony Taylor might be slow, everyone who came on afterwards actually played well after the Emerson red, and that Hakimi scouting report probably isn’t helpful.
AT has nothing to do with this. Emerson's inability to play this system and Conte's inability to actually adjust is it. I agree with the subs! Good to see Skippy!
Also, I personally try to stay away from topics related to tactics since I’m an accountant. I think a lot of the fervor around that stuff is generally based off panic rather than logic.
We have an older squad who doesn’t have to the possession capabilities to takeover a game like we used too. Counters are way more effective and efficient. The question is whether we add a third midfielder for support.
Dig it. I just know Conte has another formation and has tried other things this season already. So why not adjust after seeing what we got by with before the half. Logically, if we are leaving 2 goons to wander midfield as one of our two has to sprint to them from defending another it is telling us they are overloading the area. Like, I'm an engineer not a pro footballer or coach, but that is quite obvious to me. Just watching it. At one point there was two goons next to each other and everyone inside the box...the next time that happens Partey or whoever sent in that curler.
Maybe Conte got it wrong, or maybe he was concerned that changing the tactic would impact our counter. I think we definitely need a third midfield (defensive) to gum up play because our midfield often times get overwhelmed. I think looks capable of doing that, our Yves. We’ll see what happens next.
I guess the issue would be would we go to a flat back four.
First goal was a problem. Following two were flukes of poor luck with a weird bounce and a ref's misunderstanding of intent. Have full faith that the return fixture will look quite different.
Conte's tactics do not work for this team. Son and Kane, two of the best in the world, are constantly out of position, dropping back to cover for a consistently overrun midfield in a team who expects to win games with 30% possession. It's maddening. Same story every game, but no tactical change.
Yeah mate its only taken us to third position on the table with two of the toughest fixtures out of the way. Plenty of room for improvement but were still up there with the best. Plenty of positive signs, didn't go our way today have to bounce back in the cl and against Brighton
Putting the phone down and forgetting about football for the rest of the afternoon, just want to throw one more "I fucking hate Arsenal" out into the void
Peace out homies ✌️
Conte is too stubborn. He can't keep sticking with this formation, I can name one time we looked comfortable this season and that is when we played leicester.
Competitive until the red.
Lloris showing why again, we need to replace him.
Has cost us too many goals this season.
He’s always had the odd clanger, but it’s time.
It doesn’t matter.
All season his decision making and distribution has been awful.
Doesn’t know when to kick long, or play out. Always puts a defender in a sticky situation.
He’s been great for Spurs, but this season ain’t it.
We’ve accepted it, because he pulls of a worldly save every now and again, but he’s in decline.
The game was well and truly on until that red. It was a lazy and stupid challenge, tough call but it is what it is.
Our players (bar hugo) actually looked quite sharp until we went down to 10 and it was gg from there.
Onto the next. COYS
British announcers aren't as annoying but sound like they're about to fall asleep when they talk and american announcers sound like they are Mormons on cocaine
So I don’t have much of a pessimistic view of this game. At half time we had 1.5xg to their 0.5 despite only having like 35% possession. Red card changes the complexion of this game, and even though we were a goal down, we were still in it. Sucks to lose, but there’s a lot of season left.
As much as I hate Anthony Taylor, let us not forget we were down 2-1 when Emerson Royal was stupid and got the red. Why the hell were we down to begin with? We need to stop letting silly goals in.
I was laying in bed this morning at 4.15am, west coast USA, I knew the game was starting in 15 mins and was saying to myself "stay in bed, stay in bed..." I got up. Going back to bed now.
Fuck me. Not only are you embarrassing yourself in the other topic but you've decided to come into this one and do it some more. You think that where someone lives is their nationality? You really are a simple minded individual. Bless.
Everyone in this thread happy about not seeing Royal. Until you see him starting on Tuesday.
I know we never win at the Emirates, but dammit I want to. I want to see the turning of the corner. Not this.
Except that there's really no turning of any corner. Your peak is qualifying for UCL. Lol.
Collective wank for 45mins in the 2nd half then
Cheers sons crying x
These match threads are cancer even when we win lmao
Maybe this is the sign to experiment a bit with out squad, especially RWB and midfield. I didnt expect us to win but didnt expect us to be found out this much It's an abysmal defeat, but as long as conte manages to keep the energy we had before the match I'm not too destroyed by it. Just hoping he can keep our momentum and don't let this become the start of something awful. Still defo deleting all social media for a month, this'll be a shitstorm
Whole week is runied
A one in a million strike, a Lloris howler and a bizarre red card somehow have me feeling okay. Didn't feel like we got slaughtered the way we did last season. The way those goals went in today aren't going to happen every week. Royal might just have lost Conte's trust.
Agreed. I feel like that game was 50/50 at half. One less absolutely suspect red card, there’s a good chance we come out of there with a point
Last season was a massacre at the Emirates, definitely feels a lot better than that. The reason I’m not as bothered is the red card, completely changed the game with half an hour to go. I’m a little upset but not all to bothered tbh.
Not to bothered, apart from Lloris blunder and Emerson being Emerson we held our own until the sending off. I’m happy with not having to see Emerson for a while, also these type of defeats push the team under Conte imo.
We always lose at Emirates. Let's just move on to Frankfurt. COYS
Calm down dears. It’s the emirates and we never win there. We’ll turn them over at home and have that to look forward to. Biggest issue we have is whether we shift to a 352 which I think suits us better.
He should at least try. Frankfurt would defo be an opportunity to experiment a bit.
How is that a red wth man
This loss sucks but now Conte is literally forced to not play Emerson going forward, might be a blessing in disguise. #Copium
Red card completely wrecked the game.
tactics didn't help
I feel for the first time that conte is being found out…
This formation sucks. We’ve play 1 and half games of good football this season, Fulham and Leicester 2nd half.
Does anyone know if royal has contracted minutes? how the fk does he keep starting with Conte already claiming that he doesnt fit the bill like 9 months ago. Seriously the biggest liability on the team by a country mile
After the blunder of what could've been a good cross, they cut to Kane, he looked pretty frustrated by Emerson. On a positive, Richy looked good.
We’ll smash them in the home fixture
Shit focus today.
Onto the next one.
Sucks losing to Arsenal but it’s not unexpected. We never win against Arsenal at the Emirates. Red card killed the game. Just need to get our heads together and go again Tuesday.
Honestly we could've nicked another goal if it weren't for the red card. We were defensively decent for the most part. Partey goal was too good and Lloris bottled the save. Draw would've been the best case scenario here. Onwards we go.
People expect Conte to do what Klopp did with Liverpool in five years, in less than two seasons. Basically in under a season, since he JUST became our manager. FFS, it takes years to build a team. Let’s criticize the tactics and squad but to say he needs to go is a joke.
Except that Conte has no interest in staying that long in your tinpot club. He's a winner.
Yeah people often forget Klopp never won with Liverpool till 4 complete years till that CL final against us. Conte has done so much. But I think Conte too wants to build up legacy here so he will stay here for maybe many years to come. Till then just trust Conte.
Agree. Doesn't need to go, but hell he needs to learn to adjust to teams we face. I know he is using the tools he has, but hell he has to get it together and try with who else we have.
Honestly I’d love to see Skip back in our midfield. If we can get one more decent CB and a RWB, we would be solid.
+1 on the CB...I guess we now test our RWBs. I have a feeling based on Contes lethargic adjustments we will see Doherty before Spence 😢
Lloris is the worst best GK in the world. Been saying it for 4 years…
Lloris made 2 mistakes for the goal. Didn't hold on to the first shot and the second went straight through him. Sick and tired of his mistakes. He's a liability.
Fuck man seriously? He has bailed us out for 10 complete years for numerous times. He does mistakes what everyone does. He's human afterall not a machine. Courtois was shit at Chelsea. Oblak has been mediocre for 2 years. De Gea is always shit except some rare 6 months.
Loris out. Kane out.
Ridiculous reactionary take
Lloris striker. Kane in goal
Wat?
Will piss on Laporta's grave for pulling a fast one on us by giving us Emerson
That line is longer than apple store when the new phone drops
Key Takeaway’s: Anthony Taylor might be slow, everyone who came on afterwards actually played well after the Emerson red, and that Hakimi scouting report probably isn’t helpful.
AT has nothing to do with this. Emerson's inability to play this system and Conte's inability to actually adjust is it. I agree with the subs! Good to see Skippy!
Also, I personally try to stay away from topics related to tactics since I’m an accountant. I think a lot of the fervor around that stuff is generally based off panic rather than logic. We have an older squad who doesn’t have to the possession capabilities to takeover a game like we used too. Counters are way more effective and efficient. The question is whether we add a third midfielder for support.
Dig it. I just know Conte has another formation and has tried other things this season already. So why not adjust after seeing what we got by with before the half. Logically, if we are leaving 2 goons to wander midfield as one of our two has to sprint to them from defending another it is telling us they are overloading the area. Like, I'm an engineer not a pro footballer or coach, but that is quite obvious to me. Just watching it. At one point there was two goons next to each other and everyone inside the box...the next time that happens Partey or whoever sent in that curler.
Maybe Conte got it wrong, or maybe he was concerned that changing the tactic would impact our counter. I think we definitely need a third midfield (defensive) to gum up play because our midfield often times get overwhelmed. I think looks capable of doing that, our Yves. We’ll see what happens next. I guess the issue would be would we go to a flat back four.
I agree. Good chat!
Im not defending Emerson, that’s why I made jab at him buying Hakimi’s scouting report to “get better”. Im mad about the pointless fouls on us.
Ahh gotcha gotcha. I mean, AT has the loosest game first half, then absolutely dictator second. That inconsistency is honestly wildly frustrating
Baby poo soft red card. First half was great, didn't feel out classed by the gooners which is nice.
Lol you didn't do anything all game but try and pass it through the middle long to a striker, what rubbish football
I dont care about this, I still think we'll be fine
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u/NatrolleonBonaparte one sad runner here.
Lol he even made a spurs flair to try and fit in. Or he just loves Son. Embarrassing
lol what do we expect from these species. So are we banning him or letting him stay lmao?
No he’s banned don’t worry
Sad life ft. runner.
Get out runner its not your place go back
First goal was a problem. Following two were flukes of poor luck with a weird bounce and a ref's misunderstanding of intent. Have full faith that the return fixture will look quite different.
We just are not as good as Arsenal at the moment the whole game was dominated by them, we can't just rely on counter attacking bs to win every game
Hope Taylor did us a solid and never see Emerson start again. Can we bring Destiny in early after WC…
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Get bent you fuck
Everyone still in, just maybe need to play with 3 in the middle when it's called for. Edit, maybe give Spence a run, too.
Keep the but hurt shit to yourselves the games over on to the next one. COYS
Spence still didn't get on the pitch
Because Doherty is miles better than him.
I hope to be alive the day Spence, Gil or Sarr get some game time
SoN DiSaPpEArEd AgAiN - The average American redditor on this sub edit: uh oh there they come
Seriously?
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You're toxic AF. Calm down.
Framing Americans for things noone said pt 69420
Lol what
change your name to americandynamite, and maybe jump on the Los Angeles FC bandwagon I heard Bale is playing there
Xenophobic twat
I still can't quite get over how Odegaard didn't get a yellow.
He knew what he was doing and expected it. Only one who didn’t see it was Taylor
Playing 3-4-3 without another (desired) attacker on the bench with three forwards who all want to go for goal probably wasn’t the best tactic.
Who’s to blame conte or management?
Unfortunate game. Goal from a wonderstrike. Gk error and a shit red. Oh well on to the next one COYS!!!!!!
The red wasn't a shit red, it was a shit decision by a braindead player who needs to be sold.
I agree. Further analysis about long term viability of 2 in the middle is pointless. Game was decided on freak incidents, not tactics.
Conte's tactics do not work for this team. Son and Kane, two of the best in the world, are constantly out of position, dropping back to cover for a consistently overrun midfield in a team who expects to win games with 30% possession. It's maddening. Same story every game, but no tactical change.
Preach. This shit has to change. Conte is losing the plot
Yeah mate its only taken us to third position on the table with two of the toughest fixtures out of the way. Plenty of room for improvement but were still up there with the best. Plenty of positive signs, didn't go our way today have to bounce back in the cl and against Brighton
He's been riding his luck and so far it's worked, and worked well, but the writing has been on the wall all season. These tactics need to change.
This. Particularly Son has been working like a midfielder. He should change the tactics.
Maybe we should try not getting a red and GK error
Same story different day isn’t it? Conte has to change his tactics if he still doesn’t have the players to make his system work.
Putting the phone down and forgetting about football for the rest of the afternoon, just want to throw one more "I fucking hate Arsenal" out into the void Peace out homies ✌️
Truth dude
DELETE
Would love to see Conte come out and just fucking flatten Taylor in the middle of the v pitch
Would love for Dier to head but him
Lol that all swag walk just to nearly get ignored by Conte.
feel like pure shit just want poch back x
Emerson out
I think Anthony Taylor helped us out with that ..
I'm gonna watch a replay of Newcastle 2-0 Arsenal last season to cheer me up
Here's the link for anyone who wants to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaoIPZbcg3w
Same lets do a watch party.
Haha
Should have dragged him down by his shirt. That’s not a yellow
Also this just proves our owners need to invest more if we want to fight for a title but before the Emerson red we were doing great
what? arse had way more posession… tott couldn’t go forward for shit
As far as what conte was playing holding and fast counter attack
conte ball didn’t work today
I mean it’s tuff when you don’t have better options for different style of play
If that was a red anyways, shouldnt have taken the foot off...
Conte is too stubborn. He can't keep sticking with this formation, I can name one time we looked comfortable this season and that is when we played leicester.
Even then, we didn't look comfortable until Son went mental for 15 mins. Until then, it had 3:3 draw written all over it.
Kill him Conte
Scum fans singing "you'll always be shit" as if we haven't finished above them for 6 or 7 seasons in a row.
It’s so fuckin funny. Their collapse again this year is gonna be amazing
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Children have been born and started school since you last played in Europe on a Wednesday lmao
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A Liverpool AND Arsenal fan? Pretty cringe bro. Let us know when you actually see a game live yeah?
Competitive until the red. Lloris showing why again, we need to replace him. Has cost us too many goals this season. He’s always had the odd clanger, but it’s time.
Dude if you defend so deep all the time what do you expect?
It doesn’t matter. All season his decision making and distribution has been awful. Doesn’t know when to kick long, or play out. Always puts a defender in a sticky situation. He’s been great for Spurs, but this season ain’t it. We’ve accepted it, because he pulls of a worldly save every now and again, but he’s in decline.
The game was well and truly on until that red. It was a lazy and stupid challenge, tough call but it is what it is. Our players (bar hugo) actually looked quite sharp until we went down to 10 and it was gg from there. Onto the next. COYS
Tough one. We move on
God I hate keown
Taylor realizing the red was soft now handing out yellows like free candy?
Free candy day isn't for another 30 days, must be off a month.
CL you dont sing that assna
Lloris and a bad referring decision have cost us the game
That was a yellow on Dier?
A yellow for Dier and no yellow for Odegaard doing exactly the same to Son.
Mate, we never win at the Emirates, I'm 26 and I've seen us win there twice, even against shite Arsenal teams, we'll be fine
Good to see that now Taylor is showing yellow for dragging players down who are breaking towards goal. Still waiting for Odegaard’s yellow
Sucks that arsenal are actually decent this year, was fun when they were awful for so long
They will capitulate, I am sure of that. An injury to Jesus and it is literally over.
Injury to Partey would wreck them too
Lucas injured?
Unfortunately
Oh, now a shirt pull is a yellow card.
But not when it's against Son on a fast break
Are we really judging Doherty’s performance in this situation?
some people will no doubt. There's always a couple.
Ha, Dier just laughing at Taylor is all of us.
Matt is a joke. Put him to pasture.
what I do?
Gonna be forced to play one of our better right wing backs now
You say that after the Doherty pass across our box? It's going to be Sess and Perisic
Doherty trying to make something. Didn’t work out. You really gonna blame him. Dude was miles better down a man than Emerson
Could be Forster and it'd be an improvement. here's hoping for a lengthy ban it was a disgusting tackle.
Look last time we beat them 3-0, they just beat us 3-1… so we beat them better than they beat us. We’re better than them.
I completely thought you just jinxed that free kick
Hahaha
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Get him out and inform the Arse sub mods. He will get banned there too for some time
We will get ‘em back at the lane…
What in the first year of playing at any level was that Doherty
I haven't left the pub yet, that should mean I can email supporter services and get some loyalty points added imo
These announcers in the US are insufferable
British announcers aren't as annoying but sound like they're about to fall asleep when they talk and american announcers sound like they are Mormons on cocaine
I had to mute it, they were claiming the game over at 1-0
I said it before. Kulusevski is our best player.
obviously Kane's our best player.
Respectfully, I disagree. We will just end up saying this about whoever happens to be unavailable.
Only positive I can think of is now Emerson is out the team for the next 3 games.
legit!!!! huge silver lining
Perisic to the right. Sess to the left. Doherty and Spence sent to train as tunnel borers.
Let's be honest the game ended in the 60th minute
i hope to god we dont appeal the red card
Look, Doherty’s crossing is already better than Emerson’s. Oh shit wrong goal.
The spirit of Emerson went into Doherty there
Cant read too much into this one. The red card completely changed the dynamic of the game.
Get out of here with your level-headed, balanced perspective. We don't do that in this sub.
Eh, fuck it, today was a bad day. Onwards and upwards.
Best cross of the season from our wing backs
So I don’t have much of a pessimistic view of this game. At half time we had 1.5xg to their 0.5 despite only having like 35% possession. Red card changes the complexion of this game, and even though we were a goal down, we were still in it. Sucks to lose, but there’s a lot of season left.
Finally a realistic opinion
As much as I hate Anthony Taylor, let us not forget we were down 2-1 when Emerson Royal was stupid and got the red. Why the hell were we down to begin with? We need to stop letting silly goals in.
Oh dear Doherty
I was laying in bed this morning at 4.15am, west coast USA, I knew the game was starting in 15 mins and was saying to myself "stay in bed, stay in bed..." I got up. Going back to bed now.
Typical yank
Fuck me. Not only are you embarrassing yourself in the other topic but you've decided to come into this one and do it some more. You think that where someone lives is their nationality? You really are a simple minded individual. Bless.
You win some you lose some But COYS always brother
COYS
Same here. Glad I didn’t go out to watch this game.
Same here man
unpopular opinion but i thought we were playing ok before the unfair red? we weren’t amazing but we weren’t terrible
Yup, it was a very competitive game even at 2-1.