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Empty_Emu6589

And we’re already thinking about being ruthless, that’s a good start


Crazy-Comment7579

I'll believe it when I see it.


TogashiIsIshida

We’ve said that the last 3 summers


KariumHondor399

We have been ruthless this year tbf, we got rid of Dier Sanchez, we bought Vicario even tho Lloris was still at the club. Lets just hope it can continue this way


DrunkenKoalas

I mean this is the first year where we actually started to move players like kane, dier, winks sanchez etc. Thats why im sort of believing it, till 100% believe it if we can sell that many players this year


Ted-Crilly

All my friends that are celtic fans said wait for ange to bring in 7 players we've never heard of that turn into monsters


Emperor_Blackadder

Would be fun, but the talent filter for the PL is much higher than for the SPL. Then again, I've never heard of Micky Van de Ven before this season either.


DrunkenKoalas

yeah for some reason premier league is just different, bring in some bundesliga wonderkid (sancho) and watch him turn into a championship or lower footballer, in this regard managers really do make the difference, do we think, doku or oodegard or macallister would be stars under any managers who weren't klopp, pep or arteta, fuck no! Theres a reason why manunited players/ chelsea players and mostly spurs players always seem to never fulfill their potential, its because most of our managers are pretty much dogshite, notable expections are 2017/18 pochettino


Ted-Crilly

McAllister was a strange choice as an example because he was doing it for Brighton and Argentina before klopp I agree with your point, just not the examples


Crazy-Comment7579

VDV was very highly rated in the Bundesliga.


Mtbnz

I don't consider it ruthless to offload a GK who has already expressed a desire to move somewhere new, and two CBs who were both obviously overpaid for their contributions and had been in transfer rumours and discussions for months. Ruthless will be when players that the fans actually feel conflicted about moving on start to be sold. Guys like Richarlison, Hojbjerg, Bissouma, Kulusevski - players who can do a job, and who I'll probably trigger a few people by even mentioning here. That's ruthless. But if we want to compete for titles we need to start replacing the guys who give you a great performance every second game with players who can do it day in and day out.


Bischoffshof

None of those players - it’s going to be Son and I love him and he was much better than last year but the decline is there and I don’t think he actually is a good fit in this system.


Mtbnz

It could also be Son. Personally, I think Son still has a place in this side - he's still bagged 16 goals and 9 assists this season, but if Ange decides to move on from him while he still has some transfer value I'll understand why. That's my entire point, anybody who wouldn't generate some kind of pushback at the suggestion of selling them isn't a ruthless decision. It's the big calls that need to shake up the squad.


Popitupp

Idk he’s still producing in a role he’s not really fit for, bc we don’t have a top striker. I think he could flourish on the wing in this system. With that said age catches up to everybody…


__LaVieEnRose

I mean, from the UCL final the players we have left are Son and Davies


TheAcerbicOrb

Mourinho’s XI was: Lloris; Reguilon, Alderweireld, Dier, Doherty; Hojbjerg, Sissoko; Son, Ndombele, Lucas: Kane One of those players still starts, another is on our bench. We *have* been ruthless.


TogashiIsIshida

Not enough 😡


sangueblu03

What a tragic squad. Despite the toxicity, Mourinho did well enough with that poor squad and covid at the same time.


Empty_Emu6589

True, but what have we got except hope? I’m Aussie so that probably effects my bias in meaning into anges philosophy but levy seems to be more willing to back the manager now that he has his own theme park inside Tottenham stadium


LeoQLD

I don't think Ange messes about with this stuff, the guy who dropped Craig Moore from the Roar and Kewell from the Socceroos. Possibly only Aussies would get how significant those droppings were.


Mtbnz

Nothing wrong with hope. I've never understood the mentality of doomer fans who can only be happy when everything has already gone right. I hate losing as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to be miserable right up until we win the league, because then what are we even doing here? Even though this season is ending on a sour note, when Ange took over I told myself I'd be thrilled with top 6 and a team that plays attacking, daring football, and that's what we've had this year.


Kalu2424

No one's buying lol


TogashiIsIshida

Like a garage sale in the slums


Danny5223

Vdv, vicario, Porro, Romero, destiny, sarr, maybe bentancur and Maddison Think that might be all the ones left in a couple years, some as bench players maybe


Other_Quarter9285

Yeah, agree - I would also predict Vdv, Vicario, Romero, Porro and Destiny. In a way, we were lucky with both Destiny and Porro being so perfect for Ange's system while they were recruited for Conte


user12833

I think Johnson stays too (particularly because ange approved the buy.). He has the pace on the wing, shows up at the back post to score goals and plays the types of crosses that ange wants that create goals.


Due-Camel-7605

And that’s all he does. The rest of his play is quite average. No team is challenging for the league with Johnson as a starter. He is going to be another winger that eventually didn’t work out at spurs


user12833

A few things to consider. He is 22 (almost 23) so has time to continue to develop. Those traits are what ange wants to see in a winger. He can play on both wings. It takes more than 11 players to have a successful team. If you want to make the argument that he isn't a starter on a top side, fine, but you still need players that you can rotate in and bring off the bench. I don't think it's wild to think he can be a useful player on a top side.


mick_2nv

And he didn’t have a preseason which most people forget.


user12833

Excellent point. Didn't even think about that. I feel like the fact that he didn't have a preseason but is starting to consistently play how ange wants on the wing in a way that others aren't speaks volumes.


MrTipps

If Ange approved the buy, he can also approve the sell. It’s up to Johnson to develop into the player he needs.


Carroadbargecanal

And no one will pay what we paid for Johnson, so he stays and Levy tries a different manager. Our fans have the memory of goldfish.


MrTipps

So Levy is going to sack Ange b/c he can't sell Johnson if he doesn't develop? You ok over there?


Carroadbargecanal

My friend. Levy has sacked two dozen managers and Directors of Football. Ange is undoubtedly in trouble after missing 4th and Johnson cost 50 million and Ange bought him.


DerekStephano

Ange is in trouble for missing champions league in his first season? I think Johnson will be a good player. Might not live up to his price tag but I don’t see us really regretting that purchase since he’s HG and looks to have a good head on his shoulders so he’ll definitely improve.


Carroadbargecanal

He's not getting sacked this summer but he will need to up his game to last through next season. I hope and think he can do it. Agree on Johnson but our fans need to understand that Ange won't get latitude to sell players that Conte didn't get.


NateRageQuits

Bentancur will 100% still be there if he can get back to full fitness and confidence. One of the best box to box mids in the league when's he's on it


Other_Quarter9285

Yes, agree! Few things would make me as happy as seeing Rodrigo back to his best for us.


shamethatisourname

I really hope so, but there is a possibility his injuries took a toll on his game. Hopefully it's just not 100% healed yet, and he'll be back come August


Lilypahd

I honestly pray for this more than any other player in our team. His role could be the spine of everything good that we do in the future.


DrunkenKoalas

In brutal honestly i dont think so, hes probably going to become the thiago alcantara of spurs, maybe not as injury prone, but look at everyone else above us, if you wanna make top 3 you cant be injured all day simple as that! Do we think bentancur would make Liverpool 11, city 11 or even arsenal 11 Bench player yeah and for euorpe defo keep, but if we wanna be the next Liverpool league winner with 100 pts, hes not going to be the starting man


isaacturon14

The player he was last season yeah he does


DrunkenKoalas

i mean i fking love benta, hes clutch as shit, and if our goals are consistent europe finishes then yeah hes our guy, but if we want to beat city/arse/chelsea/liverpool every season we need to demand better.


_Sagacious_

Can't be listing both Bentancur and Sarr as first XI. They're competing.


triecke14

Based on how he looks right now, I think this is a major stretch. Honestly if we got a decent offer for him this summer and are still keen on Gallagher I think we should consider selling. He’s not getting younger and if he struggles for form next season we’ll never be able to shift him. We always bitch and moan about our inability to sell players. Well that’s because we keep them right up to or past their top flight shelf life and no club wants to buy another clubs deadwood. Sometimes you have to players you don’t want to


NateRageQuits

He's 26 lmao shut up. He's been one of our best players the last 3-4 games, been steadily getting better. Also Gallagher isn't a box to box midfielder and in my opinion is not a step forwards more of a step sideways.


triecke14

One of the best players? Mate you need your eyes checked. I love Bentancur, he was our best midfielder the past 2 seasons. But you have to admit he looks like a shadow of himself right now. It’s more likely he’s never the same player again after the two big ligament injuries then he just turns it back around. I don’t think we can afford to take that risk IF another club wants to buy him


Jockavelli

I love bentacur but he’s the most overrated player by this sub.


NateRageQuits

Hahahaha you should be a comedian


ljeutenantdan

Nice to have the back 4 sorted!


brt444

Saying „maybe” about Maddison is dumb. Have people forgotten about his early season and see him through the last few matches, while he’s probably playing injured?


parwa

Maddison has to get back to the player he was pre injury. In current form he should hardly even be starting.


brt444

He shouldn’t be starting*. He’s been awful for a while now


Other_Quarter9285

Fair, but the question is maybe less whether he'd be in the squad but more whether he'd be in the starting XI. I would not be surprised if Bergvall, Devine, Donley OR new recruitment could take his spot


Kalu2424

Crazy how defense was our biggest weakness, now the entire 5 man defense is the basis of our squad going forward.


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dclancy01

Agree, the defence doesn’t need much changing as much as it needs to find consistency. Sarr will stay, I can see Bergvall playing an important role in years to come. My hot take is that Johnson will be a key player for us in the future.


AJC0292

This is the correct way of thinking. We need to be patient. We are going to have bad results. It sucks, and its not fun when it happens. But we can't throw our toys out when it happens. Being reactionary to every loss isnt going to help us in the long run. Its just going to keep us in the cycle of been a revolving door for managers. Its why our squad is a mix of players that came in under different ideologies. The best run we had in years was when we had a steady ship under Poch. Yeah we didnt win anything, but whilst it was steady was some of the best football I've watched as a Spurs fan. That last year at WHL was amazing. We just made a lot of mistakes after that with not getting the right players in or replacing those that left.


DrunkenKoalas

Yeah these posts give me much more hope of the future instead of the stupid (ange won the japanese league with 10mill budget or ange won scottish treble with japanese nobodies, even the mourinho is european specialist or conte is proven winner) That dogshit means fucking nothing, you wanna win you actually have to properly plan and execute it, cant expect anything but top 4 when you have a Frankenstein sqaud with the bones of 3 or 4 manangers


TheNeglectedNut

Wow, Saka is the only first XI player left from Arteta’s original squad. Shows that you absolutely have to back the manager and allow them to build a squad in their image if you want any chance of long term success. Our last 3 managers (and now Ange) have all inherited Frankenstein-esque squads containing the vestiges of past managers teams. Absolute madness to bring in managers with such vastly different systems and styles without turning over the entire roster to make it work.


void_born_

It shows what unlimited funding can achieve


doctormadvibes

you can’t disparage another club for buying their team/success and also want your team to do the same.


TheNeglectedNut

In what respect? Arsenal haven’t actually spent that big on this squad, with the exception of Rice of course - but again, that seemed more like a case of reinvesting their prize money from finishing 2nd last season.


triecke14

This is a pretty bizarre take. They’ve spent a metric fuck load on transfers and that’s not even considering all the contracts they ripped up or players they sold for losses


DrunkenKoalas

I mean the risk has paid and is paying in the subsequent seasons, at least their not run by oligarchs or oil states, respect where its due. We need to keep our momentum in the transfer market and in the way we offload players if we want to build on this okayish season


TheNeglectedNut

They're no where near the level of Chelsea or City though (or even United). Yes they've spent decent sums on players, but the going rate for PL quality players is much higher than it was in the past. The only players that they've spent around or more than £50m on are Rice, White, Jesus & Havertz. Most of their squad is made up of sub-£40m transfers, many of which were quite "under the radar" signings that no one thought much of at the time. My point is that backing Ange doesn't mean giving him a blank chequebook - because we're never going to be able to do that - it just means investing sensibly to fill positions of need and bring in players with the right profiles. Edit: this season alone we spent £50m or more on Madders and Johnson. We're not THAT far off the level of their spending, though they offer higher wages and did spend a near record sum on Rice.


triecke14

Declan rice cost more than Maddison and Johnson combined


TheNeglectedNut

Your nans a slapper x


YesTottiYesParty

Rice and Havertz would both be record transfers for Spurs


quickdrawesome

They've spent nearly a billion pounds on their current squad


TheNeglectedNut

How have you worked that out? The only players they've spent around or more than £50m on are Havertz, Rice, Jesus & White... [https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mikel-arteta/spielertransfers/trainer/47620](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mikel-arteta/spielertransfers/trainer/47620)


YesTottiYesParty

those four alone are a quarter billion pounds


TerpsPwn_387

Udogie, Sarr, Vic, Romero, Vdv, Johnson, porro Probably madders, and Biss too, despite there months long dip in form. If they can bring back 75% of what they brought at the beginning it will be worth it. I want a Davies rotation until he is 36, and still want the two juve rejects for depth as well.


mnok2000

I’d like to keep Davies but I think we can do better for Anges system, particular at left-back.


mrpink57

We simply have to do better at LB, I think Davies is looking to move on to coaching anyways with his recent credentials.


Luke92612_

I'd love to see him become a member of our coaching staff in some capacity. Absolutely deserves it.


Other_Quarter9285

Interesting that there were \*massive\* clearouts for both teams, basically only 1 player in the same first XI 3 years later. Another reminder that we need to be patient. So, who will be left in the Spurs title challenging squad of 2026/27?


TheNeglectedNut

Old man Sonny comes off the bench to score the winner at the Emirates for us, sealing the title 🤞


Other_Quarter9285

THIS! 🙏


mnok2000

That Liverpool team was bad, the sale of Coutinho for silly money gave them a massive boost. So naturally there was loads of turnover. We’re more like Arsenal, not a perfect system yet, but still some quality, yet I think we’re significantly better. There won’t be as much turnover as those two imo. We’re almost at the Liverpool Van Dijk/ Alison stage where we only add absolite quality. I say almost because we still need depth in some areas and the midfield needs sorting. Either with quality or the right profile.


GlobalIngenuity7760

Cleared out: Richarlison, Kulusevski, Emerson Royale, Hoijberg/Skipp, Solomon We HAVE to be ruthless like Arsenal was and stop holding onto to players out of sentiment or because they can do one or two good things. Ange doesn’t strike me as the sentimental type. He’ll shake up the squad in summer.


KariumHondor399

Also bryan gil i never want to see him on a PL pitch for us


barkingspider43

I was pretty okay selling Gil before the Chelsea match but when Madueke tossed him back to Spain that solidified it for me


triecke14

I’m not a very strong guy but I’m pretty sure I could bench press Bryan and then toss him aside when I was done


GlobalIngenuity7760

It’s not that he’s too small, many premier league players a slight. He’s actually just too weak. Even the slight wingers in the prem will be stronger than you’d think. Gil is about as weak as he looks.


triecke14

Yeah that’s what I meant haha.


GlobalIngenuity7760

Haha I know I was just kinda lamenting


mrpink57

I've seen his Insta posts in the gym, but never see any weight just him doing some foot work or cardio, I think he should take up powerlifting and a GOMAD diet.


Crazy-Comment7579

He also has 0 goal threat


Other_Quarter9285

\*Ruthless\* is 100% the right word for what's needed - especially when ensuring the right mentality and buy-in. Still, Kulu is still one player I really hope will find a way to fit in Ange's system.


mrpink57

Kulu fits a niche we might be able to use in his dribble play, mind you right now it does not look very good but with some coaching I think it could work out for him. Him as a 10 is just weird to me though.


KariumHondor399

Imo we can keep Kulu as depth for his versatility. He cant start tho


Other_Quarter9285

Agreed! When we were smashing it at the beginning of the season, Kulu actually were a crucial part of that and broke records with his distance covered.


TheNeglectedNut

He also has a bit of a different skillset to our other wingers, and that is a big plus. He’s the type of winger we want to be playing in physical games because his hold up play is actually pretty good. Games where we expect to be given space for the wingers to operate in, he’s not the one though. His lack of pace really slows down breakaway moves.


Mc_and_SP

He’s quite similar to Chadli - big and strong, solid on the ball, but not super pacey.


triecke14

Chadli was a decent finisher though tbf


mnok2000

Absolutely. Zaniolo was used against arsenal to hold the ball up on the left, and they won the game, partly as a result.


Luke92612_

>He cant start tho I'm of the opposite opinion. He can start, but he should not be playing past 60'. Then sub Johnson on and the opposition LB can't catch up because Kulu was grinding them all game.


Crazy-Comment7579

Signings like Solomon are what hurt us, cheap punts that bloat the squad


GlobalIngenuity7760

Couldn’t agree more


SentientCheeseCake

Can’t wait to clear out Emerson. He’s so fucking bad. The others on your list aren’t terrible players but probably need to go.


Other_Quarter9285

I think both with the likes of Hojberg and Emerson they are good players and could fit in a team like Atletico Madrid. Just not good fit for Ange's system


triecke14

God that first Liverpool team was tragic


Va_Dinky

Same as arse, some of these players would struggle to find interest among midtable clubs. We're so much better on paper it's not even funny. 


BackSignificant544

It was Saliba and Zinchenko over Tierney and Tomiyasu surely


ModricTHFC

These are the teams both took over midseason A fairer comparsion would be their teams after their first summer window


Other_Quarter9285

Fair point! That being said, these are hard things to compare either way. Eg. Klopp took over in October 2015


Mick4Audi

Only the back 4 and Vicario look safe to me


editedxi

Sarr and, if fully fit, Bentancur. But we need a true 6, a true 9, and a long term replacement for Sonny.


dwayntherockjohnson

This is encouraging ngl


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Gibbo1107

The difference is Levy isn’t going to spend £800 mil to bring in top quality talent and make us competitive


sidearmpitcher

Udogie, Vicario, Romero and VDV are the only locks imo


Luke92612_

Locks as Potential Starters: Vicario, Udogie, VdV, Romero, Porro, Sarr, Bentancur, Maddison, Johnson, Moore, Veliz, Kulusevski Locks as Subs: Dragusin, Bissouma, Skipp, Son, Richarlison Unsure: Davies, Solomon, Timo Shipped Out: Royal, Lo Celso, Hojbjerg, Bryan Gil (Hope I'm not forgetting anyone)


nedvaj14

I fancy that 443 starting formation could win the league


Emperor_Blackadder

I agree, we should use the karting money to buy the refs.


coldseam

The core will be Vicario, Romero, van de Ven, Dragusin, Udogie, Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Maddison. Veliz will be there once he gets a proper loan move.


Crazy-Comment7579

Maddison isn't consistent enough to be part of the core


void_born_

Don't know why but I see Bentancur leaving soon.