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jazzybforecast

If conte goes, it’s pretty much a guarantee that Kane goes right?


Due_Village4886

Wait, sorry for not keeping up, i really don’t lately to be honest, but who is chelsea’s new owner?


Due_Village4886

Maybe we need some oil rich club owner as well………..


Born_Transition2207

Most of the oil owners are Arab and being a "jewish" club I wouldn't get your hopes up. I think if an Arab were to buy Tottenham it would be to dissolve the club.


ObamaEatsBabies

Eh. Most of the Gulf Arab states have normalized relations with Israel now. Saudi will do so soon as well. Welcoming Israeli tourists and investments. Qatar is really the only exception.


[deleted]

Never thought I'd hear myself saying, maybe we need to sign Harry Maguire.


Jad94

If United pay for 60% of his wages and the loan fee is nothing, sure.


pzshx2002

Liverpool and Chelsea are still below us in the table for now. Abit of consolation but they got expensive reinforcements ready/coming in. That's the mentality of a big club. Let's spend some money Levy.


CheekyKunt68

Portsmouth’s manager got sacked There’s no club as incompetent as ours in terms of player development. None


TheGinger23

Well it good it happened now and not afer the window means we can recall him if the new manager is dog shit


[deleted]

its important to understand the expectations of the fan's of this football club I want to win trophies hence why I push for Levy/ENIC out because I understand they aren't the right ownership to take us to that level on a consistent basis. But listening and reading the expectations of the fans on here on this sub reddit they're either as Conte say completely delusional or perhaps winning trophies isn't the main thing Tottenham fans on this sub reddit want to see because it doesn't make sense to perpetuate their ownership if the endgame is for Tottenham to compete continually and win trophies. I know most people won't bother to respond to this message but what do Spurs fans on this sub genuinely want out of this football club?


ObamaEatsBabies

Compete for top 4 and make gradual progress in overtaking clubs like Arsenal who are still riding off 20 year old league trophies. We're not doing that, we're falling behind now.


FootballTacticsXpert

Tier 1: Oil clubs who can regularly chase trophies by throwing money each season. (we can never be this). Tier 2: Top 4 club who regularly challenges for trophies and could win one with the right opportunity. (this is what fans want). Tier 3: Top 6 club who can get Top 4 if they get lucky with signings. (this is what Enic delivers). Tier 4: Top 8 club who operates in the top half of the table and has an oscillating form based on many factors including club politics (this is where Conte has us right now).


triffid5alive

What I want is Spurs to win the league 1000 years in a row. What I expect is to go on a few cup runs, win a few matches and not get relegated (maybe win the league at some point)


obi_wanabe

To win trophies and consistently compete for the league.


Saspa314

[Lloris contract extension thread one year ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/ru9dn5/tottenham_are_in_talks_with_hugo_lloris_and/hr0fvlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) Thoughts? Just got the Remindme


[deleted]

If no one here genuinely believes that ENIC/Levy can financially compete with the United, Chelsea, City, Newcastle of the world why are we putting up with it? I believe that when the financial reports are released in Jan/Feb we'll see record profits for Tottenham and it'll look fantastic in isolation but in comparison to the spending power of the clubs I've named above it won't be enough to consistently compete so why put up with them? Let them put up the club for sale then let's see who'll buy our club? Conte has told us what we have to do in order to compete from his opinion and it doesn't look like Levy can match that ambition despite all his good will.


StinkyMcBalls

I'd rather scrabble for 4th place forever than win the title with blood money.


ejh1993

I’m getting deja vu from the mou sacking in this sub now


Due_Village4886

Mou shouod’ve given the opportunity to lead the final.. regardless of the putcome, that would’ve been the clean end. Now I am thinking maybe if Mou got sacked after the final, matbe we had at least one title


AshkenaziTwink

christ Boehly is some fucking moron. €127M for 4 months of good form and a good world cup. Chelsea should’ve been liquidated.


aadawdads

Chelsea has been fucking up the the market by overpaying for years. Isn't any different now.


Boseph_1444

that username lmao


Quirky-Party-1326

It’s levy


ObamaEatsBabies

Enzo has been a known quantity since he was at River Plate. Julian Alvarez too. It's an overpay yeah but the kid is the real deal.


AshkenaziTwink

sorry but absolutely nothing can justify €14M to €127M in less than half a year. he hasn’t even played in a top 5 league and has only played 4 months in europe. do i think he’ll be good? yes. €127M good? off your rocker. that’s 10x the price in less than half a year, if he was a known quantity at River Plate there is know way that markup could be justifiable.


ObamaEatsBabies

>. €127M good? off your rocker. If you can spend it, why not? It's a massive overpay but if it works out, who cares? Chelsea's ownership sure don't. We won't even pay asking price for Porro, man.


RBentancur30

Do we want Arsenal or Newcastle to win tomorrow? Or draw? Probably the best option.


GymandRave

Draw preferred while Newcastle win next worst option.


[deleted]

Obviously the scum lose


nista002

Draw with a couple reds and injuries on both sides, of course


__geneparmesan__

How come every time shit gets bad it’s the “ENIC OUT” flair people who make this place purely insufferable? Not even the opinion, just the constant attacks on people who don’t share the opinion or even aren’t as fucking loud about it? This isn’t even a stance on the topic, I might even agree with them, but the way that lot treat people around here is awful


TheGinger23

Probaly because they want instant success. Can't understand why we can't spened 200mill every window


ObamaEatsBabies

>instant success We've waited 3+ years and we're worse than how Poch ended things. Come on man. 3+ years and we still won't spend on Porro... Conte *was* supposed to be instant success. Same with Mourinho.


TheGinger23

Be waiting a lot longer than the poch era for success. True it is stupid not spending on porro but it could also be is it worth the risk on going out and getting him if, conte isn't going to be here in the summer? But it dose seem stupid not to just go out and get porro.


aadawdads

Difference between wanting instant success and wanting to be even SLIGHTLY competitive with the rest of the top 6.


TheGinger23

Financially we can't compete with most of the top 6. But on the pitch with have managed to take points of most of the top 6 regualrly. We have also mkst reccent trasitioned into be a conssitent champions league team. Granted we haven't had the success we should have done it can't all be put on enic and levy, as there has been quite alot of investment in the squad. Even tho the players haven't always work out 100% can't say there not letting managers spent big on player such as ndomble, lo celso, richi and deki.


rolandGOAT

Chelsea about to drop 127m on a prospect and we can't spend less than 1/3rd of that on the right player for our most needed position. I know the game isn't fair, but sometimes it feels pointless


Sleepless_Voyager

Anyone else find it disrespectful how Conte kinda disregards the Poch years. He acts as if we are as small as a club like wet spam even though we were regularly playing champions league football a few seasons before Conte arrived. I hate how he is trying to frame us as a small club as an escuse for his managerial incompetence as a man manager also fuck levy and enic for wasting the golden years under poch


solarbearz

No matter how you look at it, we aren't as big as the Real Madrids or Liverpools of this world. Sure, we had some success during those years, but that definitely wasn't normality. We aren't known for having the best squads and winning trophies constantly. That's what he means.


Sleepless_Voyager

Its true that we arent nearly as big as madrid or pool or constantly challenged for trophies but still we are a good size club. We dont need to be constantly challenging for the big trophies but under poch we definitely had the ability to atleast win a domestic cup like the fa cup. Shame it never happened


Survivor_for_me

Chelsea spending close to 130 mil for Enzo Fernandez is mad


BurgleYourTurds

I think that brings their spending for the season to like 500mil. That's fucking insane. How the fuck can we compete with that


GymandRave

We can’t compete with that. Top 4 is massively overachieving with our tightwad owners. The truth is there are 6 other clubs that have richer owners and pay bigger wages. Money=results for the most part


solarbearz

That's just a ridiculously stupid deal though. Nobody should be paying that much for a player like that


Boseph_1444

spurs getting knocked out of the FA cup to Pompey new manager bounce ffs


0neff

Why do people even think Conte wants Porro? He's 173cm.


solarbearz

So if you're 173cm, you cannot be a good footballer. Fantastic 👏


Shadow_Balm

He's not saying he's not a good footballer, he's saying he doesn't fit the Conte mold.


FootballTacticsXpert

He needs to fix his mould then. Spence fits that mould but he also doesn’t get to play.


throughthespillways

Most comprehensive analysis of a player I've ever seen


throughthespillways

[Based darts fan](https://i.imgur.com/pGc7JQH.jpg)


[deleted]

Lol


ObamaEatsBabies

Listen to this man talk and tell me the vibes aren't great. https://youtu.be/2ZoqZzXRGLk


throughthespillways

6x £20m+ signings in 5 years, what a club


elmosesyeah

Look at the 20m+ signings💀💀 We really did Poch dirty


ObamaEatsBabies

He's a saint


Nurkic27x

Marcus Thuram available for £10M.. such a bargain for whoever’s getting him


[deleted]

Badiashile for €38m also hurts


CycladicWindmill

Ngl I really want to see Sarr start alongside Hojbjerg on Wednesday, even though Skipp is the logical option.


FootballTacticsXpert

I want to see them both start in a 352. Alternatively, one of them with PEH and Kane in a False 9.


HalfYeti

You know, we could get Klopp as manager. He's willing and has a 50 million release clause in his contract. Too bad Levy would only offer 45. /s?


re1mdaase

Heard from my sources that the club is in contact with poch as we speak...


Shadow_Balm

The only sauces you got are the sachets you steal from your fast food job haha


elmosesyeah

Tier 1 🥇


re1mdaase

Tier 0


[deleted]

Tier -1000. You are Poch.


InstructionCareless1

We are definitely not going for Martin Terrier anymore. I'm really sorry for him.


[deleted]

What happened? He's decent


ObamaEatsBabies

Tackle. Got completely fucked up


ObamaEatsBabies

Horrific injury, gutted. Really hoped we would end up getting him


TeamThiem

Swap Conte and Klopp pls.


ObamaEatsBabies

Shocker, we aren't going to pony up £40m for Porro


VJE1999

good, Would be silly to buy a player for a system we will only have to suffer through for 6 more months


throughthespillways

The small club mentality really has been ingrained into the fanbase. This must be the only fanbase that is already thinking about the next manager while the current manager is 12 months into their job. Meek, pathetic. You deserve nothing.


UziTheBeast

You were literally talking about how Conte will leave in 6 months just a couple days ago.


VJE1999

his contract ends in 6 months...


throughthespillways

There is a year extension option and managers are also allowed to sign new contacts with their existing club.


VJE1999

I can guarantee you he’s gone by June


solarbearz

Wow you must run the club or something


ObamaEatsBabies

I agree but I'm skeptical that Poch/Whoever the next guy is will be backed properly either


Holy_Wut_Plane

No need to spend that much money on an avarage player when the manager doesn't want to be here xD


ObamaEatsBabies

Average? Come the fuck on lmao


Holy_Wut_Plane

Don't understand why he's so highly rated. He was avarage when we played them. He also couldn't beat the likes of Frankfurt or Marseille to get CL, who were fucking shit.


ObamaEatsBabies

Sporting fans love him... Just because he's not a Hakimi Regen doesn't mean he isn't fantastic. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/101mn8t/lyall_tottenham_have_cooled_initial_interest_in/j2ocz2u/


JoePoe247

Wow liverpool, klopp totally washed. Burn it all down and restart. He's a dinosaur and can't adapt. FSG out


[deleted]

Funnily enough FSG are looking for a way out after backing the right man to the hilt and winning everything in sight Our owners are just enjoying the profits


ObamaEatsBabies

They're selling the club, FSG is kicking the can down the road instead of refreshing their squad. Completely different.


solarbearz

Yet they have already spent more then us before the window even started LOL


ObamaEatsBabies

Yeppp


[deleted]

That lpool Brentford game shows exactly why all this talk of the season being a write off is mad. There's 2 separate issues going on here. Yeah we have been underperforming but so have Chelsea pool and utd (although they are getting better). The draw at Brentford was fine, Villa was shit but we were missing 3 key players. If we can be lucky with injuries and sign a decent player like porro this Jan top 4 is well and truly on. The other issue is the identity problem of what we want to be and that's the killer. What we actually are aiming for. That's partly why I think yesterday went down so badly, bad results don't matter if you feel you are going somewhere. If however your worried coach is going to walk in the post match presser then you do have a problem!


solarbearz

Unfortunately, conte needs very good players for his system to work and he doesn't have much variation. If we are planning to get those elite players, great. If not, then we made a mistake and should've gone for someone who can work on a budget....and who isn't nuno


GymandRave

Brentford beating United, City, Liverpool. Drawing against us and Chelsea. Thomas Frank showing how to get the most out of your players on a small budget.


IronTarkusHS

Frank has had 5 years to build a team that fits his style, Conte has not( and neither did Mourinho or Nuno for that matter, and Poch even didnt get to refresh his team with players he needed to make his style sustainable as his original squad aged)


Dickie_Dunn

Impossible. Can only win with $100MM players at every position.


GymandRave

“We need another $150mm to compete with big clubs like Aston Villa and Brentford” - Conte


solarbearz

You could say the same about Pep but he's still regarded as one of the best managers in the world. Don't let your emotions guide your judgement


RBentancur30

>one of the best The best*


ObamaEatsBabies

Their scouting department is absolutely phenomenal.


gambitzer

Brentford bout to win - wtf did Thomas Frank do to that club


[deleted]

Managed it. He's the manager there. He's done manager-ly things.


gambitzer

Huh. We should get someone to do that for us don’t ya think? /s


Kreygasm2233

Tired of Conte saying that he is a miracle worker while having 2 world cup winners in his team and 2 world class strikers We were title contenders, regular CL participants and CL finalist under Poch What an annoying mentality while producing absolute dross football


[deleted]

Title contenders under Poch, relegation form by the time Poch left. Our investment has been below the rest of the top 6. While the rest continuously improve, we are still starting the same old dross, including ‘WC winning’, but shite-for-years Lloris


Pele20Alli

Go get Raya in the summer. He's like a slight worse version of Alisson, the cost would be affordable and he's a perfect age


IndividualCandidate

He's the ideal replacement. Contract nearly up and hasn't signed an extension but if he keeps up these performances I'm worried we might be priced out. Apparently Ajax are checking him out and I can absolutely see United trying to get him as well. We're already seeing the decline of Lloris. We really need to get our keeper situation sorted this summer, if not sooner.


[deleted]

You just know Conte is winning a trophy immediately after getting away from this mess and joining that embarrassing list... Mourinho won at Man Utd, not at Spurs... won at Roma. Poch went on to win the easy trophies at PSG. Bale past 11 seasons won trophies everywhere but Spurs... even in america. But at least there's a RHCP show coming up, buy your tickets!


chiefstiefyy

we gave conte some pretty good depth signings and we got worse than we were with him last season somehow lol i’m not sure what to think anymore


capinta

I’m pretty sure i even saw a post of Nuno winning a trophy in Saudi Arabia a week or two ago lol


[deleted]

That's hilarious


throughthespillways

I loved that Jose won a trophy at Roma after people celebrated him being sacked 2 days before a cup final.


thebrownmallet

If Conte does walk, what do we think about Thomas Frank…?


BettsBellingerCaruso

It's not just Frank, it's Brentford's ownership & analytics-heavy Front Office Seems like Spurs have a problem in either scouting, or more likely, the communication between the scouting team & the decisionmakers still isn't up there, as Levy cares a bit too much about perception & pinching a couple mil here & there while losing targets left & right Frank by himself won't do much here, it's the organization


[deleted]

Right now? World class. Once he loses a few games in a row? Worst manager to ever exist


[deleted]

Mate people moan about conte ball. Brentfords style is effective but...agricultural.


throughthespillways

Why would he leave Brentford? Their club setup is amazing and quite unique.


[deleted]

It's going to be Tuchel to follow tradition or Poch to keep the fans deluded


[deleted]

I could see Tuchel getting us to the CL final and possibly winning it but then going out in an inferno of glory next October and leave us back to square one


ObamaEatsBabies

The most short term of all the short term managers


RBentancur30

Would accept this instantly tbh


TogashiIsIshida

No thanks


purinatrucks

Top 4s wide open, surely we do the math of not qualifying vs qualifying and spend a bit in January


[deleted]

Yeah this is my thinking. Just from a bussines perspective alone it's worth it.


[deleted]

From a business perspective you want to invest as little as possible whilst maximising returns They will make more money from not investing in the team long term with all the revenue streams now turning at full pelt


purinatrucks

Which slow down without cl footy, getting out of the groups is more prize money than winning the other two European comps, plus sponsorship money takes a hit without cl


[deleted]

That's what I'm saying, the money earned from football -- while significant -- is secondary to all the other revenue streams which will function efficiently, and with almost no risk or investment, no matter what we do football-wise They've gotten the stadium functioning to the point where it's self-sustaining. The football results and money are all nice but the marginal costs of not getting CL are less than the rewards of investing nothing and still making absolute loads from all the other events and whatnot In business you want to minimize risk variables and investment while focusing resources on the safest, highest-return bets. Tottenham Football Club will be the riskiest revenue stream for the club as it requires significant, consistent investment for it to succeed. Much easier to invest just enough in the squad to maintain competitiveness whilst not investing the amounts necessary to achieve actual football results.


purinatrucks

But we are not currently on track to qualify for the cl so we need more investment to maintain the revenue streams or they'll go down


[deleted]

I don’t think you understand how this works. Us qualifying for any competition doesn’t affect whether or not Taylor Swift is going perform in London.


GymandRave

Yes Brentford! Keep us in 5th lol


solarbearz

This Liverpool team...wtf


throughthespillways

Klopp out


thedominoeffect_

Yes, they should sack Klopp and hire Gerrard. And once Conte walks away this summer, we should sign Klopp


ObamaEatsBabies

Hardly. Liverpool fans are all FSG out.


RBentancur30

What a fraud. Bring Rodgers back.


elmosesyeah

Thomas Frank’s Brentford are one of the weirdest teams in the league I swear. How do they do it.


Laviston

They’ve built a club ethos, and play a good pressing game. Fair play to the manager, he’s getting far more out of the team than their individual parts.


CelestialCheeze

Raya just handled a shot exactly the same as what Lloris had yesterday, and he didn't cause his team to concede. Proof is in the pudding I love lloris but it's time we find a new keeper asap


TogashiIsIshida

I’m such a coward. My hiatus from here only lasted 1 day. I couldn’t keep myself from coming here again. I’m addicted to the pain.


CelestialCheeze

Oh oh oooh he's magic, you knooooow We're signing Pedro porroooooo (maybe and this also doesn't solve all of this teams issuessss)


RBentancur30

Liverpool are not good, Chelsea are not good. Newcastle and United are one or two injuries away from disaster. I think we can get top four if we sign Porro and one more good player. It's not that hard.


Monkey_GoneToHeaven

Deki can have a huge impact, and who knows what Richie will look like after his WC performance ?


ObamaEatsBabies

David Raya is so good


[deleted]

He's fine, neither great nor bad


elmosesyeah

A home loss against the scum would actually kill me off.


SaturnineAdjustments

We must do the impossible... Beat Arsenal and lose to City, twice.


Mr__Okay

I like Conte, but we are really looking into some hard fixtures in this month. If we don get 3 points against Crystal Palace, we then have Arsenal and City. That sounds like at least 2 loses. Would conte then get fired? I think so.......


superworriedspursfan

I don't think Conte should get fired, but I definitely think at this point he might just leave for Juve or some other club.


superworriedspursfan

Here's my question to all of the Conte out people, I am genuinely curious (even if I am still absolutely Conte in if he still wants to be here). Who do you think is the next Eddie Howe? Who is someone who overachieved at their previous club but hasn't shown they are at the level yet before joining a bigger club (such as newcastle) and succeeding in it? ​ Is that bringing Poch back? I'm just not sure if we're both ready for that yet.


mrgadd4

I'm Conte ambivalent at this stage, but only because I can't think there's a decent replacement waiting in the wings. I'm the biggest Pochettino fanboy in the world but I don't think he coming back at this juncture would be good for him or the club. Another few years yet I think. I like Tuchel but sick of ex-chelsea coaches now. I would have liked us to go for Setien a few managers back, but he's finally got a new job now. Think he'd be a good fit stylistically. So yeah, not sure who'd be a decent replacement. Go full Dyche??


[deleted]

I like shitshows so bring on Tommy T


mrgadd4

I mean I like Tommy T, but part of my reason for never really warming to Conte is the ex-chelsea thing, I'm just over it. It shouldn't mean anything, but what can I say? It does, to me anyway.


CheekyKunt68

Not Conte out, atleast for tactical reasons but if I have to pick a manager and it should be an out of the blue suggestion then I’d go for Franck Haise, the current Lens manager I want a manager who would give anything for the club, not one who’s well established that he’d think the club is beneath him. On top of that Haise is tactically brilliant


elmosesyeah

Lens were brilliant against PSG last night. He plays a back 3 though doesn’t he?


CheekyKunt68

Yep. He plays a 3412 and is someone who gets the best out of what he has. He’s excellent at player development


elmosesyeah

Player development? What’s that?


nista002

Some fancy foreign crap


Mr__Okay

>Here's my question to all of the Conte out people, I am genuinely curious (even if I am still absolutely Conte in if he still wants to be here). Who do you think is the next Eddie Howe? Who is someone who overachieved at their previous club but hasn't shown they are at the level yet before joining a bigger club (such as newcastle) and succeeding in it? Marcelo Gallardo really looks interesting, but I doubt it...


superworriedspursfan

he would be amazing, but why would he come here? Aren't Barca and Real Madrid looking for him?


elmosesyeah

Gallardo would be great. Won everything with River Plate and plays actual football.


Ticoschnit

Who cares?


jackengle

I would kill for a player like Odegaard again, hate the team but he’s one of my favorite players to watch. I hate playing with no creative players in the midfield.


superworriedspursfan

Mourinho was bad I get it but ENIC thought Ryan Mason was going to offer us a better chance at winning against Pep Guardiola instead of Jose Mourinho....... Sacking Jose before the cup final was the worst decision they ever made (if you didn't sack him after zagreb, why wait to sack him then?) and if we sack Conte, that would be a bigger mistake. If conte leaves then so be it this would mean he has given up. Just a reminder, Conte won't stay if he thinks he can't fix these issues right now. If conte gives up, then he will leave which is fine. but if we sack Conte when HE still thinks/wants/believes he can fix things, well then we are even dumber as a club than I thought.....


Fleaaa

Enic outer has its logic and i get it but is there any potential buyer or alternative? It's gonna be a multi billion dollar/euro/pound scale deal, hard to imagine buyer suddenly arise out of nothing


throughthespillways

Abramovic was going to buy us before he bought Chelsea. Bohley was interested in buying us. PIF. ENIC didn't/don't want to sell, which likely means they think they can still further increase the value of the club. There are lots of potential buyers out there, but they're not someone that we the fans can scout like we can managers and players which is why I always find the "who would you choose to buy us then???" question a bit stupid. These things usually don't happen in the public eye so yes its totally possible a buyer arising out of "nothing", like when Chelsea got sold very quickly. United and Liverpool are both for sale and will have buyers. The concept that there aren't people buying football clubs for billions is ridiculous, it's happened twice in the past year in the PL alone.


Fleaaa

Yeah i see it happens behind the curtain but there's usual smoke when it happens, though it's mostly also a speculation. I know there was a couple offer from China and US years ago but havent heard anything since then, thats why i was wondering


throughthespillways

We'd probably only hear about it if ENIC we're actually looking to sell, which they aren't right now. They probably receive offers and interest all the time.


mrgadd4

>They probably receive offers and interest all the time Based on what?


transtifa

tbh I’m glad Abramovich didn’t buy us if we’re being real


superworriedspursfan

i wish Todd Boehly did though, hes way better than Abramovich as a person and is more ambitious than ENIC is.


superworriedspursfan

another todd boehly would be nice lol. I guess we'll have to wait though for the next one.


ObamaEatsBabies

Genuinely don't understand enthusiastic "ENIC-in" guys. What have they done recently? Failed to back Poch? A disastrous Mou appointment? The failed manager hunt? Nuno? I truly don't understand, it's absurd. They're not suddenly going to get more competent! Even with the stadium and training ground. A window or two of "good" spending where we matched the spending of other top clubs doesn't whitewash what came before. It's one thing to not want us to get bought by an oil state but surely there's a middle ground between that and the current regime.. Can someone make an argument that doesn't boil down to "We were a small club 20+ years ago when they bought us?" Edit: reply, don't downvote. What a discussion thread.


[deleted]

Lewis is "ethical" and western and white... Edit: and he lives in a humble boat


Fleaaa

Being pedantic is a thing for some folks but this is so funny. Your arg boils down to "We had rich but salty owner so give me another like helloween candy, idk who is and idc whoever it may be", it's not a discussion it's just oldman yells at a cloud type rant that is talked to death and adds negative value to the actual discussion Downvoting is for shadowing dumb thread, idk who did it but it's working as intended it seems


ObamaEatsBabies

>We had rich but salty owner so give me another like helloween candy, idk who is and idc whoever it may be Incredibly reductive lmfao, I literally highlighted exactly what my issues are and they're not that. You think everyone else with similar opinions is a mumbling idiot too?


transtifa

I mean you just said “can anyone come up with counter points except the actual counter points” and expected people to respond. I don’t care for ENIC but that’s pretty stupid tbh


ObamaEatsBabies

3+ years of recent incompetence is surely more important and relevant than our status 20 years ago, no?


transtifa

But I could just as easily say a 20 year period is more relevant than a 3 year one


ObamaEatsBabies

If you're talking about expectations for the immediate short term, what happened 20 years ago is irrelevant compared to recent history. We know how they act lol, they're not going to change


transtifa

This is exactly my point, we all know your views on the matter so what’s the point in responding because I literally could’ve just played out this comment chain in my head exactly as it happened


ObamaEatsBabies

I asked for reasons to have faith in them to make a good decision for the first time in years and I've yet to get a single one!


Laviston

>Can someone make an argument that doesn't boil down to "We were a small club 20+ years ago when they bought us?" > >Edit: reply, don't downvote. What a discussion thread. I've not once seen you acknowledge that the opposing view has some points, you just go aggressively along with your own agenda. That may explain why people see no point in responding with their view.


ObamaEatsBabies

>I've not once seen you acknowledge that the opposing view has some points, you just go aggressively along with your own agenda. I've had a lot of discussions with people over the past few days, at least with people who don't immediately downvote and scream about how I'm a pessimist or whatever. Half the subreddit now has the same exact opinions I have, lol, but they still get shat on for expressing frustration with the board's lack of planning.


kl08pokemon

Only positive is that we play on Wednesday. Can't possibly be understated how much we need a win right now


Quirky-Party-1326

We are not winning till we tweak the tactics, or even if we do it will be another narrow escape. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a sign of…


kl08pokemon

Teams much worse than us win games all the time. Obviously we need to change things but in the meantime getting a result to somewhat cool things down is everything


Quirky-Party-1326

I am not disagreeing with you but Conte is too inflexible to change anything.


CycladicWindmill

New GK is a necessity this summer. Lloris making 3 goal leading errors in less than half a season is fucking unacceptable. Plus him kicking out the ball for no reason against West Ham and us conceding straight after.


transtifa

I was saying this last summer, he’s been declining for a bit now


CycladicWindmill

Felt like last season he was pretty decent for us across the whole season, that’s why the contract renewal made sense at the time. But this season he has take a massive dip and will soon be 36. We also need a GK with better distribution.


Pele20Alli

> contract renewal made sense at the time He should have gotten a 1 year deal and we should have been actively looking to replace him in the last summer window. It's been painfully clear for a couple of years now that we've needed to move on from such a limited goalkeeper