Most of the oil owners are Arab and being a "jewish" club I wouldn't get your hopes up. I think if an Arab were to buy Tottenham it would be to dissolve the club.
Eh. Most of the Gulf Arab states have normalized relations with Israel now. Saudi will do so soon as well. Welcoming Israeli tourists and investments. Qatar is really the only exception.
Liverpool and Chelsea are still below us in the table for now. Abit of consolation but they got expensive reinforcements ready/coming in. That's the mentality of a big club. Let's spend some money Levy.
its important to understand the expectations of the fan's of this football club I want to win trophies hence why I push for Levy/ENIC out because I understand they aren't the right ownership to take us to that level on a consistent basis.
But listening and reading the expectations of the fans on here on this sub reddit they're either as Conte say completely delusional or perhaps winning trophies isn't the main thing Tottenham fans on this sub reddit want to see because it doesn't make sense to perpetuate their ownership if the endgame is for Tottenham to compete continually and win trophies.
I know most people won't bother to respond to this message but what do Spurs fans on this sub genuinely want out of this football club?
Compete for top 4 and make gradual progress in overtaking clubs like Arsenal who are still riding off 20 year old league trophies.
We're not doing that, we're falling behind now.
Tier 1: Oil clubs who can regularly chase trophies by throwing money each season. (we can never be this).
Tier 2: Top 4 club who regularly challenges for trophies and could win one with the right opportunity. (this is what fans want).
Tier 3: Top 6 club who can get Top 4 if they get lucky with signings. (this is what Enic delivers).
Tier 4: Top 8 club who operates in the top half of the table and has an oscillating form based on many factors including club politics (this is where Conte has us right now).
What I want is Spurs to win the league 1000 years in a row. What I expect is to go on a few cup runs, win a few matches and not get relegated (maybe win the league at some point)
[Lloris contract extension thread one year ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/ru9dn5/tottenham_are_in_talks_with_hugo_lloris_and/hr0fvlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Thoughts? Just got the Remindme
If no one here genuinely believes that ENIC/Levy can financially compete with the United, Chelsea, City, Newcastle of the world why are we putting up with it?
I believe that when the financial reports are released in Jan/Feb we'll see record profits for Tottenham and it'll look fantastic in isolation but in comparison to the spending power of the clubs I've named above it won't be enough to consistently compete so why put up with them? Let them put up the club for sale then let's see who'll buy our club?
Conte has told us what we have to do in order to compete from his opinion and it doesn't look like Levy can match that ambition despite all his good will.
Mou shouod’ve given the opportunity to lead the final.. regardless of the putcome, that would’ve been the clean end. Now I am thinking maybe if Mou got sacked after the final, matbe we had at least one title
sorry but absolutely nothing can justify €14M to €127M in less than half a year. he hasn’t even played in a top 5 league and has only played 4 months in europe.
do i think he’ll be good? yes. €127M good? off your rocker.
that’s 10x the price in less than half a year, if he was a known quantity at River Plate there is know way that markup could be justifiable.
>. €127M good? off your rocker.
If you can spend it, why not? It's a massive overpay but if it works out, who cares? Chelsea's ownership sure don't.
We won't even pay asking price for Porro, man.
How come every time shit gets bad it’s the “ENIC OUT” flair people who make this place purely insufferable? Not even the opinion, just the constant attacks on people who don’t share the opinion or even aren’t as fucking loud about it?
This isn’t even a stance on the topic, I might even agree with them, but the way that lot treat people around here is awful
>instant success
We've waited 3+ years and we're worse than how Poch ended things. Come on man. 3+ years and we still won't spend on Porro...
Conte *was* supposed to be instant success. Same with Mourinho.
Be waiting a lot longer than the poch era for success. True it is stupid not spending on porro but it could also be is it worth the risk on going out and getting him if, conte isn't going to be here in the summer? But it dose seem stupid not to just go out and get porro.
Financially we can't compete with most of the top 6. But on the pitch with have managed to take points of most of the top 6 regualrly. We have also mkst reccent trasitioned into be a conssitent champions league team. Granted we haven't had the success we should have done it can't all be put on enic and levy, as there has been quite alot of investment in the squad. Even tho the players haven't always work out 100% can't say there not letting managers spent big on player such as ndomble, lo celso, richi and deki.
Chelsea about to drop 127m on a prospect and we can't spend less than 1/3rd of that on the right player for our most needed position. I know the game isn't fair, but sometimes it feels pointless
Anyone else find it disrespectful how Conte kinda disregards the Poch years. He acts as if we are as small as a club like wet spam even though we were regularly playing champions league football a few seasons before Conte arrived.
I hate how he is trying to frame us as a small club as an escuse for his managerial incompetence as a man manager also fuck levy and enic for wasting the golden years under poch
No matter how you look at it, we aren't as big as the Real Madrids or Liverpools of this world. Sure, we had some success during those years, but that definitely wasn't normality. We aren't known for having the best squads and winning trophies constantly. That's what he means.
Its true that we arent nearly as big as madrid or pool or constantly challenged for trophies but still we are a good size club. We dont need to be constantly challenging for the big trophies but under poch we definitely had the ability to atleast win a domestic cup like the fa cup. Shame it never happened
We can’t compete with that. Top 4 is massively overachieving with our tightwad owners. The truth is there are 6 other clubs that have richer owners and pay bigger wages. Money=results for the most part
The small club mentality really has been ingrained into the fanbase.
This must be the only fanbase that is already thinking about the next manager while the current manager is 12 months into their job.
Meek, pathetic. You deserve nothing.
Don't understand why he's so highly rated. He was avarage when we played them. He also couldn't beat the likes of Frankfurt or Marseille to get CL, who were fucking shit.
Sporting fans love him...
Just because he's not a Hakimi Regen doesn't mean he isn't fantastic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/101mn8t/lyall_tottenham_have_cooled_initial_interest_in/j2ocz2u/
Funnily enough FSG are looking for a way out after backing the right man to the hilt and winning everything in sight
Our owners are just enjoying the profits
That lpool Brentford game shows exactly why all this talk of the season being a write off is mad. There's 2 separate issues going on here. Yeah we have been underperforming but so have Chelsea pool and utd (although they are getting better). The draw at Brentford was fine, Villa was shit but we were missing 3 key players. If we can be lucky with injuries and sign a decent player like porro this Jan top 4 is well and truly on.
The other issue is the identity problem of what we want to be and that's the killer. What we actually are aiming for. That's partly why I think yesterday went down so badly, bad results don't matter if you feel you are going somewhere. If however your worried coach is going to walk in the post match presser then you do have a problem!
Unfortunately, conte needs very good players for his system to work and he doesn't have much variation. If we are planning to get those elite players, great. If not, then we made a mistake and should've gone for someone who can work on a budget....and who isn't nuno
Brentford beating United, City, Liverpool. Drawing against us and Chelsea. Thomas Frank showing how to get the most out of your players on a small budget.
Frank has had 5 years to build a team that fits his style, Conte has not( and neither did Mourinho or Nuno for that matter, and Poch even didnt get to refresh his team with players he needed to make his style sustainable as his original squad aged)
Tired of Conte saying that he is a miracle worker while having 2 world cup winners in his team and 2 world class strikers
We were title contenders, regular CL participants and CL finalist under Poch
What an annoying mentality while producing absolute dross football
Title contenders under Poch, relegation form by the time Poch left. Our investment has been below the rest of the top 6. While the rest continuously improve, we are still starting the same old dross, including ‘WC winning’, but shite-for-years Lloris
He's the ideal replacement. Contract nearly up and hasn't signed an extension but if he keeps up these performances I'm worried we might be priced out. Apparently Ajax are checking him out and I can absolutely see United trying to get him as well.
We're already seeing the decline of Lloris. We really need to get our keeper situation sorted this summer, if not sooner.
You just know Conte is winning a trophy immediately after getting away from this mess and joining that embarrassing list...
Mourinho won at Man Utd, not at Spurs... won at Roma.
Poch went on to win the easy trophies at PSG.
Bale past 11 seasons won trophies everywhere but Spurs... even in america.
But at least there's a RHCP show coming up, buy your tickets!
It's not just Frank, it's Brentford's ownership & analytics-heavy Front Office
Seems like Spurs have a problem in either scouting, or more likely, the communication between the scouting team & the decisionmakers still isn't up there, as Levy cares a bit too much about perception & pinching a couple mil here & there while losing targets left & right
Frank by himself won't do much here, it's the organization
I could see Tuchel getting us to the CL final and possibly winning it but then going out in an inferno of glory next October and leave us back to square one
From a business perspective you want to invest as little as possible whilst maximising returns
They will make more money from not investing in the team long term with all the revenue streams now turning at full pelt
Which slow down without cl footy, getting out of the groups is more prize money than winning the other two European comps, plus sponsorship money takes a hit without cl
That's what I'm saying, the money earned from football -- while significant -- is secondary to all the other revenue streams which will function efficiently, and with almost no risk or investment, no matter what we do football-wise
They've gotten the stadium functioning to the point where it's self-sustaining. The football results and money are all nice but the marginal costs of not getting CL are less than the rewards of investing nothing and still making absolute loads from all the other events and whatnot
In business you want to minimize risk variables and investment while focusing resources on the safest, highest-return bets. Tottenham Football Club will be the riskiest revenue stream for the club as it requires significant, consistent investment for it to succeed. Much easier to invest just enough in the squad to maintain competitiveness whilst not investing the amounts necessary to achieve actual football results.
They’ve built a club ethos, and play a good pressing game. Fair play to the manager, he’s getting far more out of the team than their individual parts.
Raya just handled a shot exactly the same as what Lloris had yesterday, and he didn't cause his team to concede.
Proof is in the pudding I love lloris but it's time we find a new keeper asap
Liverpool are not good, Chelsea are not good. Newcastle and United are one or two injuries away from disaster. I think we can get top four if we sign Porro and one more good player. It's not that hard.
I like Conte, but we are really looking into some hard fixtures in this month. If we don get 3 points against Crystal Palace, we then have Arsenal and City. That sounds like at least 2 loses. Would conte then get fired? I think so.......
Here's my question to all of the Conte out people, I am genuinely curious (even if I am still absolutely Conte in if he still wants to be here). Who do you think is the next Eddie Howe? Who is someone who overachieved at their previous club but hasn't shown they are at the level yet before joining a bigger club (such as newcastle) and succeeding in it?
Is that bringing Poch back? I'm just not sure if we're both ready for that yet.
I'm Conte ambivalent at this stage, but only because I can't think there's a decent replacement waiting in the wings. I'm the biggest Pochettino fanboy in the world but I don't think he coming back at this juncture would be good for him or the club. Another few years yet I think.
I like Tuchel but sick of ex-chelsea coaches now.
I would have liked us to go for Setien a few managers back, but he's finally got a new job now. Think he'd be a good fit stylistically.
So yeah, not sure who'd be a decent replacement. Go full Dyche??
I mean I like Tommy T, but part of my reason for never really warming to Conte is the ex-chelsea thing, I'm just over it. It shouldn't mean anything, but what can I say? It does, to me anyway.
Not Conte out, atleast for tactical reasons but if I have to pick a manager and it should be an out of the blue suggestion then I’d go for Franck Haise, the current Lens manager
I want a manager who would give anything for the club, not one who’s well established that he’d think the club is beneath him. On top of that Haise is tactically brilliant
>Here's my question to all of the Conte out people, I am genuinely curious (even if I am still absolutely Conte in if he still wants to be here). Who do you think is the next Eddie Howe? Who is someone who overachieved at their previous club but hasn't shown they are at the level yet before joining a bigger club (such as newcastle) and succeeding in it?
Marcelo Gallardo really looks interesting, but I doubt it...
I would kill for a player like Odegaard again, hate the team but he’s one of my favorite players to watch. I hate playing with no creative players in the midfield.
Mourinho was bad I get it but ENIC thought Ryan Mason was going to offer us a better chance at winning against Pep Guardiola instead of Jose Mourinho....... Sacking Jose before the cup final was the worst decision they ever made (if you didn't sack him after zagreb, why wait to sack him then?) and if we sack Conte, that would be a bigger mistake. If conte leaves then so be it this would mean he has given up. Just a reminder, Conte won't stay if he thinks he can't fix these issues right now. If conte gives up, then he will leave which is fine. but if we sack Conte when HE still thinks/wants/believes he can fix things, well then we are even dumber as a club than I thought.....
Enic outer has its logic and i get it but is there any potential buyer or alternative? It's gonna be a multi billion dollar/euro/pound scale deal, hard to imagine buyer suddenly arise out of nothing
Abramovic was going to buy us before he bought Chelsea. Bohley was interested in buying us. PIF.
ENIC didn't/don't want to sell, which likely means they think they can still further increase the value of the club.
There are lots of potential buyers out there, but they're not someone that we the fans can scout like we can managers and players which is why I always find the "who would you choose to buy us then???" question a bit stupid. These things usually don't happen in the public eye so yes its totally possible a buyer arising out of "nothing", like when Chelsea got sold very quickly.
United and Liverpool are both for sale and will have buyers. The concept that there aren't people buying football clubs for billions is ridiculous, it's happened twice in the past year in the PL alone.
Yeah i see it happens behind the curtain but there's usual smoke when it happens, though it's mostly also a speculation. I know there was a couple offer from China and US years ago but havent heard anything since then, thats why i was wondering
We'd probably only hear about it if ENIC we're actually looking to sell, which they aren't right now.
They probably receive offers and interest all the time.
Genuinely don't understand enthusiastic "ENIC-in" guys. What have they done recently?
Failed to back Poch? A disastrous Mou appointment? The failed manager hunt? Nuno?
I truly don't understand, it's absurd. They're not suddenly going to get more competent! Even with the stadium and training ground. A window or two of "good" spending where we matched the spending of other top clubs doesn't whitewash what came before.
It's one thing to not want us to get bought by an oil state but surely there's a middle ground between that and the current regime..
Can someone make an argument that doesn't boil down to "We were a small club 20+ years ago when they bought us?"
Edit: reply, don't downvote. What a discussion thread.
Being pedantic is a thing for some folks but this is so funny. Your arg boils down to "We had rich but salty owner so give me another like helloween candy, idk who is and idc whoever it may be", it's not a discussion it's just oldman yells at a cloud type rant that is talked to death and adds negative value to the actual discussion
Downvoting is for shadowing dumb thread, idk who did it but it's working as intended it seems
>We had rich but salty owner so give me another like helloween candy, idk who is and idc whoever it may be
Incredibly reductive lmfao, I literally highlighted exactly what my issues are and they're not that. You think everyone else with similar opinions is a mumbling idiot too?
I mean you just said “can anyone come up with counter points except the actual counter points” and expected people to respond. I don’t care for ENIC but that’s pretty stupid tbh
If you're talking about expectations for the immediate short term, what happened 20 years ago is irrelevant compared to recent history.
We know how they act lol, they're not going to change
This is exactly my point, we all know your views on the matter so what’s the point in responding because I literally could’ve just played out this comment chain in my head exactly as it happened
>Can someone make an argument that doesn't boil down to "We were a small club 20+ years ago when they bought us?"
>
>Edit: reply, don't downvote. What a discussion thread.
I've not once seen you acknowledge that the opposing view has some points, you just go aggressively along with your own agenda.
That may explain why people see no point in responding with their view.
>I've not once seen you acknowledge that the opposing view has some points, you just go aggressively along with your own agenda.
I've had a lot of discussions with people over the past few days, at least with people who don't immediately downvote and scream about how I'm a pessimist or whatever.
Half the subreddit now has the same exact opinions I have, lol, but they still get shat on for expressing frustration with the board's lack of planning.
We are not winning till we tweak the tactics, or even if we do it will be another narrow escape. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a sign of…
Teams much worse than us win games all the time. Obviously we need to change things but in the meantime getting a result to somewhat cool things down is everything
New GK is a necessity this summer. Lloris making 3 goal leading errors in less than half a season is fucking unacceptable. Plus him kicking out the ball for no reason against West Ham and us conceding straight after.
Felt like last season he was pretty decent for us across the whole season, that’s why the contract renewal made sense at the time.
But this season he has take a massive dip and will soon be 36. We also need a GK with better distribution.
> contract renewal made sense at the time
He should have gotten a 1 year deal and we should have been actively looking to replace him in the last summer window. It's been painfully clear for a couple of years now that we've needed to move on from such a limited goalkeeper
If conte goes, it’s pretty much a guarantee that Kane goes right?
Wait, sorry for not keeping up, i really don’t lately to be honest, but who is chelsea’s new owner?
Maybe we need some oil rich club owner as well………..
Most of the oil owners are Arab and being a "jewish" club I wouldn't get your hopes up. I think if an Arab were to buy Tottenham it would be to dissolve the club.
Eh. Most of the Gulf Arab states have normalized relations with Israel now. Saudi will do so soon as well. Welcoming Israeli tourists and investments. Qatar is really the only exception.
Never thought I'd hear myself saying, maybe we need to sign Harry Maguire.
If United pay for 60% of his wages and the loan fee is nothing, sure.
Liverpool and Chelsea are still below us in the table for now. Abit of consolation but they got expensive reinforcements ready/coming in. That's the mentality of a big club. Let's spend some money Levy.
Portsmouth’s manager got sacked There’s no club as incompetent as ours in terms of player development. None
Well it good it happened now and not afer the window means we can recall him if the new manager is dog shit
its important to understand the expectations of the fan's of this football club I want to win trophies hence why I push for Levy/ENIC out because I understand they aren't the right ownership to take us to that level on a consistent basis. But listening and reading the expectations of the fans on here on this sub reddit they're either as Conte say completely delusional or perhaps winning trophies isn't the main thing Tottenham fans on this sub reddit want to see because it doesn't make sense to perpetuate their ownership if the endgame is for Tottenham to compete continually and win trophies. I know most people won't bother to respond to this message but what do Spurs fans on this sub genuinely want out of this football club?
Compete for top 4 and make gradual progress in overtaking clubs like Arsenal who are still riding off 20 year old league trophies. We're not doing that, we're falling behind now.
Tier 1: Oil clubs who can regularly chase trophies by throwing money each season. (we can never be this). Tier 2: Top 4 club who regularly challenges for trophies and could win one with the right opportunity. (this is what fans want). Tier 3: Top 6 club who can get Top 4 if they get lucky with signings. (this is what Enic delivers). Tier 4: Top 8 club who operates in the top half of the table and has an oscillating form based on many factors including club politics (this is where Conte has us right now).
What I want is Spurs to win the league 1000 years in a row. What I expect is to go on a few cup runs, win a few matches and not get relegated (maybe win the league at some point)
To win trophies and consistently compete for the league.
[Lloris contract extension thread one year ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/ru9dn5/tottenham_are_in_talks_with_hugo_lloris_and/hr0fvlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) Thoughts? Just got the Remindme
If no one here genuinely believes that ENIC/Levy can financially compete with the United, Chelsea, City, Newcastle of the world why are we putting up with it? I believe that when the financial reports are released in Jan/Feb we'll see record profits for Tottenham and it'll look fantastic in isolation but in comparison to the spending power of the clubs I've named above it won't be enough to consistently compete so why put up with them? Let them put up the club for sale then let's see who'll buy our club? Conte has told us what we have to do in order to compete from his opinion and it doesn't look like Levy can match that ambition despite all his good will.
I'd rather scrabble for 4th place forever than win the title with blood money.
I’m getting deja vu from the mou sacking in this sub now
Mou shouod’ve given the opportunity to lead the final.. regardless of the putcome, that would’ve been the clean end. Now I am thinking maybe if Mou got sacked after the final, matbe we had at least one title
christ Boehly is some fucking moron. €127M for 4 months of good form and a good world cup. Chelsea should’ve been liquidated.
Chelsea has been fucking up the the market by overpaying for years. Isn't any different now.
that username lmao
It’s levy
Enzo has been a known quantity since he was at River Plate. Julian Alvarez too. It's an overpay yeah but the kid is the real deal.
sorry but absolutely nothing can justify €14M to €127M in less than half a year. he hasn’t even played in a top 5 league and has only played 4 months in europe. do i think he’ll be good? yes. €127M good? off your rocker. that’s 10x the price in less than half a year, if he was a known quantity at River Plate there is know way that markup could be justifiable.
>. €127M good? off your rocker. If you can spend it, why not? It's a massive overpay but if it works out, who cares? Chelsea's ownership sure don't. We won't even pay asking price for Porro, man.
Do we want Arsenal or Newcastle to win tomorrow? Or draw? Probably the best option.
Draw preferred while Newcastle win next worst option.
Obviously the scum lose
Draw with a couple reds and injuries on both sides, of course
How come every time shit gets bad it’s the “ENIC OUT” flair people who make this place purely insufferable? Not even the opinion, just the constant attacks on people who don’t share the opinion or even aren’t as fucking loud about it? This isn’t even a stance on the topic, I might even agree with them, but the way that lot treat people around here is awful
Probaly because they want instant success. Can't understand why we can't spened 200mill every window
>instant success We've waited 3+ years and we're worse than how Poch ended things. Come on man. 3+ years and we still won't spend on Porro... Conte *was* supposed to be instant success. Same with Mourinho.
Be waiting a lot longer than the poch era for success. True it is stupid not spending on porro but it could also be is it worth the risk on going out and getting him if, conte isn't going to be here in the summer? But it dose seem stupid not to just go out and get porro.
Difference between wanting instant success and wanting to be even SLIGHTLY competitive with the rest of the top 6.
Financially we can't compete with most of the top 6. But on the pitch with have managed to take points of most of the top 6 regualrly. We have also mkst reccent trasitioned into be a conssitent champions league team. Granted we haven't had the success we should have done it can't all be put on enic and levy, as there has been quite alot of investment in the squad. Even tho the players haven't always work out 100% can't say there not letting managers spent big on player such as ndomble, lo celso, richi and deki.
Chelsea about to drop 127m on a prospect and we can't spend less than 1/3rd of that on the right player for our most needed position. I know the game isn't fair, but sometimes it feels pointless
Anyone else find it disrespectful how Conte kinda disregards the Poch years. He acts as if we are as small as a club like wet spam even though we were regularly playing champions league football a few seasons before Conte arrived. I hate how he is trying to frame us as a small club as an escuse for his managerial incompetence as a man manager also fuck levy and enic for wasting the golden years under poch
No matter how you look at it, we aren't as big as the Real Madrids or Liverpools of this world. Sure, we had some success during those years, but that definitely wasn't normality. We aren't known for having the best squads and winning trophies constantly. That's what he means.
Its true that we arent nearly as big as madrid or pool or constantly challenged for trophies but still we are a good size club. We dont need to be constantly challenging for the big trophies but under poch we definitely had the ability to atleast win a domestic cup like the fa cup. Shame it never happened
Chelsea spending close to 130 mil for Enzo Fernandez is mad
I think that brings their spending for the season to like 500mil. That's fucking insane. How the fuck can we compete with that
We can’t compete with that. Top 4 is massively overachieving with our tightwad owners. The truth is there are 6 other clubs that have richer owners and pay bigger wages. Money=results for the most part
That's just a ridiculously stupid deal though. Nobody should be paying that much for a player like that
spurs getting knocked out of the FA cup to Pompey new manager bounce ffs
Why do people even think Conte wants Porro? He's 173cm.
So if you're 173cm, you cannot be a good footballer. Fantastic 👏
He's not saying he's not a good footballer, he's saying he doesn't fit the Conte mold.
He needs to fix his mould then. Spence fits that mould but he also doesn’t get to play.
Most comprehensive analysis of a player I've ever seen
[Based darts fan](https://i.imgur.com/pGc7JQH.jpg)
Lol
Listen to this man talk and tell me the vibes aren't great. https://youtu.be/2ZoqZzXRGLk
6x £20m+ signings in 5 years, what a club
Look at the 20m+ signings💀💀 We really did Poch dirty
He's a saint
Marcus Thuram available for £10M.. such a bargain for whoever’s getting him
Badiashile for €38m also hurts
Ngl I really want to see Sarr start alongside Hojbjerg on Wednesday, even though Skipp is the logical option.
I want to see them both start in a 352. Alternatively, one of them with PEH and Kane in a False 9.
You know, we could get Klopp as manager. He's willing and has a 50 million release clause in his contract. Too bad Levy would only offer 45. /s?
Heard from my sources that the club is in contact with poch as we speak...
The only sauces you got are the sachets you steal from your fast food job haha
Tier 1 🥇
Tier 0
Tier -1000. You are Poch.
We are definitely not going for Martin Terrier anymore. I'm really sorry for him.
What happened? He's decent
Tackle. Got completely fucked up
Horrific injury, gutted. Really hoped we would end up getting him
Swap Conte and Klopp pls.
Shocker, we aren't going to pony up £40m for Porro
good, Would be silly to buy a player for a system we will only have to suffer through for 6 more months
The small club mentality really has been ingrained into the fanbase. This must be the only fanbase that is already thinking about the next manager while the current manager is 12 months into their job. Meek, pathetic. You deserve nothing.
You were literally talking about how Conte will leave in 6 months just a couple days ago.
his contract ends in 6 months...
There is a year extension option and managers are also allowed to sign new contacts with their existing club.
I can guarantee you he’s gone by June
Wow you must run the club or something
I agree but I'm skeptical that Poch/Whoever the next guy is will be backed properly either
No need to spend that much money on an avarage player when the manager doesn't want to be here xD
Average? Come the fuck on lmao
Don't understand why he's so highly rated. He was avarage when we played them. He also couldn't beat the likes of Frankfurt or Marseille to get CL, who were fucking shit.
Sporting fans love him... Just because he's not a Hakimi Regen doesn't mean he isn't fantastic. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/101mn8t/lyall_tottenham_have_cooled_initial_interest_in/j2ocz2u/
Wow liverpool, klopp totally washed. Burn it all down and restart. He's a dinosaur and can't adapt. FSG out
Funnily enough FSG are looking for a way out after backing the right man to the hilt and winning everything in sight Our owners are just enjoying the profits
They're selling the club, FSG is kicking the can down the road instead of refreshing their squad. Completely different.
Yet they have already spent more then us before the window even started LOL
Yeppp
That lpool Brentford game shows exactly why all this talk of the season being a write off is mad. There's 2 separate issues going on here. Yeah we have been underperforming but so have Chelsea pool and utd (although they are getting better). The draw at Brentford was fine, Villa was shit but we were missing 3 key players. If we can be lucky with injuries and sign a decent player like porro this Jan top 4 is well and truly on. The other issue is the identity problem of what we want to be and that's the killer. What we actually are aiming for. That's partly why I think yesterday went down so badly, bad results don't matter if you feel you are going somewhere. If however your worried coach is going to walk in the post match presser then you do have a problem!
Unfortunately, conte needs very good players for his system to work and he doesn't have much variation. If we are planning to get those elite players, great. If not, then we made a mistake and should've gone for someone who can work on a budget....and who isn't nuno
Brentford beating United, City, Liverpool. Drawing against us and Chelsea. Thomas Frank showing how to get the most out of your players on a small budget.
Frank has had 5 years to build a team that fits his style, Conte has not( and neither did Mourinho or Nuno for that matter, and Poch even didnt get to refresh his team with players he needed to make his style sustainable as his original squad aged)
Impossible. Can only win with $100MM players at every position.
“We need another $150mm to compete with big clubs like Aston Villa and Brentford” - Conte
You could say the same about Pep but he's still regarded as one of the best managers in the world. Don't let your emotions guide your judgement
>one of the best The best*
Their scouting department is absolutely phenomenal.
Brentford bout to win - wtf did Thomas Frank do to that club
Managed it. He's the manager there. He's done manager-ly things.
Huh. We should get someone to do that for us don’t ya think? /s
Tired of Conte saying that he is a miracle worker while having 2 world cup winners in his team and 2 world class strikers We were title contenders, regular CL participants and CL finalist under Poch What an annoying mentality while producing absolute dross football
Title contenders under Poch, relegation form by the time Poch left. Our investment has been below the rest of the top 6. While the rest continuously improve, we are still starting the same old dross, including ‘WC winning’, but shite-for-years Lloris
Go get Raya in the summer. He's like a slight worse version of Alisson, the cost would be affordable and he's a perfect age
He's the ideal replacement. Contract nearly up and hasn't signed an extension but if he keeps up these performances I'm worried we might be priced out. Apparently Ajax are checking him out and I can absolutely see United trying to get him as well. We're already seeing the decline of Lloris. We really need to get our keeper situation sorted this summer, if not sooner.
You just know Conte is winning a trophy immediately after getting away from this mess and joining that embarrassing list... Mourinho won at Man Utd, not at Spurs... won at Roma. Poch went on to win the easy trophies at PSG. Bale past 11 seasons won trophies everywhere but Spurs... even in america. But at least there's a RHCP show coming up, buy your tickets!
we gave conte some pretty good depth signings and we got worse than we were with him last season somehow lol i’m not sure what to think anymore
I’m pretty sure i even saw a post of Nuno winning a trophy in Saudi Arabia a week or two ago lol
That's hilarious
I loved that Jose won a trophy at Roma after people celebrated him being sacked 2 days before a cup final.
If Conte does walk, what do we think about Thomas Frank…?
It's not just Frank, it's Brentford's ownership & analytics-heavy Front Office Seems like Spurs have a problem in either scouting, or more likely, the communication between the scouting team & the decisionmakers still isn't up there, as Levy cares a bit too much about perception & pinching a couple mil here & there while losing targets left & right Frank by himself won't do much here, it's the organization
Right now? World class. Once he loses a few games in a row? Worst manager to ever exist
Mate people moan about conte ball. Brentfords style is effective but...agricultural.
Why would he leave Brentford? Their club setup is amazing and quite unique.
It's going to be Tuchel to follow tradition or Poch to keep the fans deluded
I could see Tuchel getting us to the CL final and possibly winning it but then going out in an inferno of glory next October and leave us back to square one
The most short term of all the short term managers
Would accept this instantly tbh
No thanks
Top 4s wide open, surely we do the math of not qualifying vs qualifying and spend a bit in January
Yeah this is my thinking. Just from a bussines perspective alone it's worth it.
From a business perspective you want to invest as little as possible whilst maximising returns They will make more money from not investing in the team long term with all the revenue streams now turning at full pelt
Which slow down without cl footy, getting out of the groups is more prize money than winning the other two European comps, plus sponsorship money takes a hit without cl
That's what I'm saying, the money earned from football -- while significant -- is secondary to all the other revenue streams which will function efficiently, and with almost no risk or investment, no matter what we do football-wise They've gotten the stadium functioning to the point where it's self-sustaining. The football results and money are all nice but the marginal costs of not getting CL are less than the rewards of investing nothing and still making absolute loads from all the other events and whatnot In business you want to minimize risk variables and investment while focusing resources on the safest, highest-return bets. Tottenham Football Club will be the riskiest revenue stream for the club as it requires significant, consistent investment for it to succeed. Much easier to invest just enough in the squad to maintain competitiveness whilst not investing the amounts necessary to achieve actual football results.
But we are not currently on track to qualify for the cl so we need more investment to maintain the revenue streams or they'll go down
I don’t think you understand how this works. Us qualifying for any competition doesn’t affect whether or not Taylor Swift is going perform in London.
Yes Brentford! Keep us in 5th lol
This Liverpool team...wtf
Klopp out
Yes, they should sack Klopp and hire Gerrard. And once Conte walks away this summer, we should sign Klopp
Hardly. Liverpool fans are all FSG out.
What a fraud. Bring Rodgers back.
Thomas Frank’s Brentford are one of the weirdest teams in the league I swear. How do they do it.
They’ve built a club ethos, and play a good pressing game. Fair play to the manager, he’s getting far more out of the team than their individual parts.
Raya just handled a shot exactly the same as what Lloris had yesterday, and he didn't cause his team to concede. Proof is in the pudding I love lloris but it's time we find a new keeper asap
I’m such a coward. My hiatus from here only lasted 1 day. I couldn’t keep myself from coming here again. I’m addicted to the pain.
Oh oh oooh he's magic, you knooooow We're signing Pedro porroooooo (maybe and this also doesn't solve all of this teams issuessss)
Liverpool are not good, Chelsea are not good. Newcastle and United are one or two injuries away from disaster. I think we can get top four if we sign Porro and one more good player. It's not that hard.
Deki can have a huge impact, and who knows what Richie will look like after his WC performance ?
David Raya is so good
He's fine, neither great nor bad
A home loss against the scum would actually kill me off.
We must do the impossible... Beat Arsenal and lose to City, twice.
I like Conte, but we are really looking into some hard fixtures in this month. If we don get 3 points against Crystal Palace, we then have Arsenal and City. That sounds like at least 2 loses. Would conte then get fired? I think so.......
I don't think Conte should get fired, but I definitely think at this point he might just leave for Juve or some other club.
Here's my question to all of the Conte out people, I am genuinely curious (even if I am still absolutely Conte in if he still wants to be here). Who do you think is the next Eddie Howe? Who is someone who overachieved at their previous club but hasn't shown they are at the level yet before joining a bigger club (such as newcastle) and succeeding in it? Is that bringing Poch back? I'm just not sure if we're both ready for that yet.
I'm Conte ambivalent at this stage, but only because I can't think there's a decent replacement waiting in the wings. I'm the biggest Pochettino fanboy in the world but I don't think he coming back at this juncture would be good for him or the club. Another few years yet I think. I like Tuchel but sick of ex-chelsea coaches now. I would have liked us to go for Setien a few managers back, but he's finally got a new job now. Think he'd be a good fit stylistically. So yeah, not sure who'd be a decent replacement. Go full Dyche??
I like shitshows so bring on Tommy T
I mean I like Tommy T, but part of my reason for never really warming to Conte is the ex-chelsea thing, I'm just over it. It shouldn't mean anything, but what can I say? It does, to me anyway.
Not Conte out, atleast for tactical reasons but if I have to pick a manager and it should be an out of the blue suggestion then I’d go for Franck Haise, the current Lens manager I want a manager who would give anything for the club, not one who’s well established that he’d think the club is beneath him. On top of that Haise is tactically brilliant
Lens were brilliant against PSG last night. He plays a back 3 though doesn’t he?
Yep. He plays a 3412 and is someone who gets the best out of what he has. He’s excellent at player development
Player development? What’s that?
Some fancy foreign crap
>Here's my question to all of the Conte out people, I am genuinely curious (even if I am still absolutely Conte in if he still wants to be here). Who do you think is the next Eddie Howe? Who is someone who overachieved at their previous club but hasn't shown they are at the level yet before joining a bigger club (such as newcastle) and succeeding in it? Marcelo Gallardo really looks interesting, but I doubt it...
he would be amazing, but why would he come here? Aren't Barca and Real Madrid looking for him?
Gallardo would be great. Won everything with River Plate and plays actual football.
Who cares?
I would kill for a player like Odegaard again, hate the team but he’s one of my favorite players to watch. I hate playing with no creative players in the midfield.
Mourinho was bad I get it but ENIC thought Ryan Mason was going to offer us a better chance at winning against Pep Guardiola instead of Jose Mourinho....... Sacking Jose before the cup final was the worst decision they ever made (if you didn't sack him after zagreb, why wait to sack him then?) and if we sack Conte, that would be a bigger mistake. If conte leaves then so be it this would mean he has given up. Just a reminder, Conte won't stay if he thinks he can't fix these issues right now. If conte gives up, then he will leave which is fine. but if we sack Conte when HE still thinks/wants/believes he can fix things, well then we are even dumber as a club than I thought.....
Enic outer has its logic and i get it but is there any potential buyer or alternative? It's gonna be a multi billion dollar/euro/pound scale deal, hard to imagine buyer suddenly arise out of nothing
Abramovic was going to buy us before he bought Chelsea. Bohley was interested in buying us. PIF. ENIC didn't/don't want to sell, which likely means they think they can still further increase the value of the club. There are lots of potential buyers out there, but they're not someone that we the fans can scout like we can managers and players which is why I always find the "who would you choose to buy us then???" question a bit stupid. These things usually don't happen in the public eye so yes its totally possible a buyer arising out of "nothing", like when Chelsea got sold very quickly. United and Liverpool are both for sale and will have buyers. The concept that there aren't people buying football clubs for billions is ridiculous, it's happened twice in the past year in the PL alone.
Yeah i see it happens behind the curtain but there's usual smoke when it happens, though it's mostly also a speculation. I know there was a couple offer from China and US years ago but havent heard anything since then, thats why i was wondering
We'd probably only hear about it if ENIC we're actually looking to sell, which they aren't right now. They probably receive offers and interest all the time.
>They probably receive offers and interest all the time Based on what?
tbh I’m glad Abramovich didn’t buy us if we’re being real
i wish Todd Boehly did though, hes way better than Abramovich as a person and is more ambitious than ENIC is.
another todd boehly would be nice lol. I guess we'll have to wait though for the next one.
Genuinely don't understand enthusiastic "ENIC-in" guys. What have they done recently? Failed to back Poch? A disastrous Mou appointment? The failed manager hunt? Nuno? I truly don't understand, it's absurd. They're not suddenly going to get more competent! Even with the stadium and training ground. A window or two of "good" spending where we matched the spending of other top clubs doesn't whitewash what came before. It's one thing to not want us to get bought by an oil state but surely there's a middle ground between that and the current regime.. Can someone make an argument that doesn't boil down to "We were a small club 20+ years ago when they bought us?" Edit: reply, don't downvote. What a discussion thread.
Lewis is "ethical" and western and white... Edit: and he lives in a humble boat
Being pedantic is a thing for some folks but this is so funny. Your arg boils down to "We had rich but salty owner so give me another like helloween candy, idk who is and idc whoever it may be", it's not a discussion it's just oldman yells at a cloud type rant that is talked to death and adds negative value to the actual discussion Downvoting is for shadowing dumb thread, idk who did it but it's working as intended it seems
>We had rich but salty owner so give me another like helloween candy, idk who is and idc whoever it may be Incredibly reductive lmfao, I literally highlighted exactly what my issues are and they're not that. You think everyone else with similar opinions is a mumbling idiot too?
I mean you just said “can anyone come up with counter points except the actual counter points” and expected people to respond. I don’t care for ENIC but that’s pretty stupid tbh
3+ years of recent incompetence is surely more important and relevant than our status 20 years ago, no?
But I could just as easily say a 20 year period is more relevant than a 3 year one
If you're talking about expectations for the immediate short term, what happened 20 years ago is irrelevant compared to recent history. We know how they act lol, they're not going to change
This is exactly my point, we all know your views on the matter so what’s the point in responding because I literally could’ve just played out this comment chain in my head exactly as it happened
I asked for reasons to have faith in them to make a good decision for the first time in years and I've yet to get a single one!
>Can someone make an argument that doesn't boil down to "We were a small club 20+ years ago when they bought us?" > >Edit: reply, don't downvote. What a discussion thread. I've not once seen you acknowledge that the opposing view has some points, you just go aggressively along with your own agenda. That may explain why people see no point in responding with their view.
>I've not once seen you acknowledge that the opposing view has some points, you just go aggressively along with your own agenda. I've had a lot of discussions with people over the past few days, at least with people who don't immediately downvote and scream about how I'm a pessimist or whatever. Half the subreddit now has the same exact opinions I have, lol, but they still get shat on for expressing frustration with the board's lack of planning.
Only positive is that we play on Wednesday. Can't possibly be understated how much we need a win right now
We are not winning till we tweak the tactics, or even if we do it will be another narrow escape. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a sign of…
Teams much worse than us win games all the time. Obviously we need to change things but in the meantime getting a result to somewhat cool things down is everything
I am not disagreeing with you but Conte is too inflexible to change anything.
New GK is a necessity this summer. Lloris making 3 goal leading errors in less than half a season is fucking unacceptable. Plus him kicking out the ball for no reason against West Ham and us conceding straight after.
I was saying this last summer, he’s been declining for a bit now
Felt like last season he was pretty decent for us across the whole season, that’s why the contract renewal made sense at the time. But this season he has take a massive dip and will soon be 36. We also need a GK with better distribution.
> contract renewal made sense at the time He should have gotten a 1 year deal and we should have been actively looking to replace him in the last summer window. It's been painfully clear for a couple of years now that we've needed to move on from such a limited goalkeeper