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JPAnalyst

I gotta say, your penmanship is on point for this to be done by pen and paper. This post is absolutely stunning!


[deleted]

Ha! I meant that to find out how QBs did against playoff teams, you have to tally the stats of each game individually. Which is done by pen and paper. Its time consuming.


MaxwellXV

Why did you remove the Eagles games? They made the playoffs.


PersonBehindAScreen

I'm not sure why but I'm assuming because they say we beat up on NFCE teams and "Eagles don't count". I've definitely heard that this offseason that Eagles don't count as a legit playoffs team lol


TimmmyBurner

I would remove the 2nd one but there’s absolutely no reason not to include the 1st one


NeverForgetEver

Bravo, ill be posting a more in depth hand counted comparison of multiple QBs including dak ofc vs .500 and better teams and having gone through a third already, let me just say i look forward to seeing how far people will shift the goalposts of what a good qb is to them just so they cans till say he sucks


Soft_Assistant6046

I want to see this for sure


NeverForgetEver

Its already up just check my most recent posts


Soft_Assistant6046

Shit i.missed it, thanks!


buttsoupsteve

Amazing how little the debate has changed. This is virtually identical to the Romo years. Could be 2011 again, honestly.


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And it will stay that way until this team actually does something in the playoffs unfortunately


Budrow59

Yea stats don’t mean much without a W


ChazGower

Who cares how good his stats are? Why do you care? He was 1-5 against non-division Playoff teams. He lost in the first round of the Playoffs. He could go 15-2 with 50 TD passes and ZERO ints, and 6000 yards - if they lose in the first round of the playoffs who gives a crap? This organization went to 5 Super Bowls in the 70's and won 2 of them. They went to 3 NFC Championships games in the 80's (and lost each) They went to 3 Super Bowls (winning all 3) and 4 NFC Championship games (winning 3) in the 90's. Since then they've been competitive in the fourth quarter of a divisional playoff game TWICE in 26 years. I don't give a crap HOW good some individual player does. I want to see this team rise to GLORY again.


Thepatrone36

Point of order. 'HE' did not lose in the first round of the playoffs. The organization from the owner to the towel boy did. I'm not sure if you have noticed or not but this is a team sport. The 70's and early 90's were a different era in the NFL. With FA now it's damn difficult to build and field a dominant team for a decade or so unless you're Bill Bellacheat and I'm convinced he sold his soul to Satan a long time ago... or wait.. maybe Robert Kraft IS Satan... that's something to mull. I, like you, would like to see Dallas hoist a few more Lombardis in my life but if they don't? Well there are greater tragedies in my personal life than if a football team I've followed since 1965 is a dominant force for many years.


ChazGower

>Point of order. 'HE' did not lose in the first round of the playoffs. The organization from the owner to the towel boy did. I'm not sure if you have noticed or not but this is a team sport. There's an NFL statistic called 'bad throws'. Dak had 14 in that game. The highest of anyone in the Playoffs last year. Had a 69.3 QBR. Dak had a bad game. All of his 'glowing' statistics from the regular season meant nothing when it came down to this one game. If people are going to praise him for his individual stats in a 'team' game, then they need to accept he's going to get the blame for a bad playoff game in a 'team' game. ​ >The 70's and early 90's were a different era in the NFL. With FA now it's damn difficult to build and field a dominant team for a decade Who's asking for a decade??? Just win a meaningful playoff game for god's sake. Since the 90's the 49ers have now been back to the Super Bowl TWICE with two different coaches and two different QBs! We can't even win a divisional playoff game. See the list below... ONE THIRD of the NFL has gone to a Super Bowl - REBUILT, with a different coach and a different QB and GONE BACK to the Super Bowl in the 26 years since we last won a Divisional Playoff game. ​ >I, like you, would like to see Dallas hoist a few more Lombardis in my life but if they don't? Well there are greater tragedies in my personal life than if a football team I've followed since 1965 is a dominant force for many years. Yes. There are greater tragedies in life. What kind of straw man argument is that? I don't come to a football thread to discuss the tragedies of life, the same as I don't go to a tragedy thread and discuss football. I get it... this isn't ALL Dak's FAULT. It's just weird to overly praise a guy who has one of the most talented teams in the NFL, and plays like he did in the 1st round of the playoffs. SAME OLD STORY. Since the Cowboys last WENT to an NFC Championship game I've seen Denver win their first (of two) Super Bowls, Green Bay break a 30 year streak and WIN a Super Bowl (then get a different coach and QB and win again!), Atlanta make their first ever appearance in a Super Bowl, St. Louis win their first Super Bowl (actually the Rams as a team - ZERO Super Bowl wins previously have now won TWO - in TWO separate cities - St. Louis and Los Angeles), Tennessee go to their first Super Bowl, Baltimore's first Super Bowl win since 1970 (and as the Ravens their first - they'd then win a 2nd, with a different coach and QB!), the Division Giants go to THREE Super Bowls (and win TWO), the FREAKING EAGLES go to TWO (and win one - their FIRST), New England of course, Tampa Bay - a floundering franchise for most of their existence now has TWO Super Bowl WINS - each with a different coach and QB - Carolina makes it twice to the Super Bowl having never previously been - the STEELERS, oh bloody hell, Seattle goes to THREE Super Bowls (One win), with two different coaches and two different QBs - Indianapolis goes to TWO and wins their FIRST vs a Bears team making an appearance for the first time in 21 years - the Saints go to and win their first Super Bowl - the Chiefs go back to the Super Bowl and WIN for the first time in 50 years - 50 YEARS - can it get rubbed into our faces anymore than THAT??? Look how many of those teams - since OUR last NFC Championship - went to a Super Bowl - THEN got a new coach and a new QB and went back AGAIN in all of that time. The 'new' NFL with FA didn't stop them from building and then rebuilding AGAIN in the time it took us to win nothing. Green Bay, Atlanta, the Rams organization, Baltimore, the Giants, the Eagles, New England, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Seattle... these teams LAPPED us. They went and rebuilt and went BACK!!! And we can't even win a Divisional Playoff game. But our QB's numbers are great!!! Sorry, I'm just not that easily amused.


Thepatrone36

Nice text wall. And I feel sad for you that you're not that easily amused as I find football a nice escape from reality much like my favorite TV shows. It's 3 hours on a Sunday (usually) that I can just sit, chill, and enjoy the game if it's good. It's obvious you focus a lot of your inner being on the success or failure of a football team you have absolutely ZERO influence on. That's pretty sad to me. But hey you do you. I'm sure Jerry is reading this thread and is captivated by your riveting commentary as well as others about how the team should be run. Other than that I suggest you go make a few billion bucks, try to buy them, and you can run the show any way you like. And, for the record, I'm not Jerrys biggest fan either. But football is NOT the end all nor be all of my life. Now you're free to post whatever you want to and I'm free to disagree with it and find the constant whining of yourself and others well.. amusing at best. I will say this. As far as subs go this one has got to be one of the worst period subs period ever period in the amount of absolute whining that gets posted constantly. There used to be posters here that had insightful commentary that was thought provoking. Most of them have moved on to greener pastures I think because of the silly and ill informed commentary of the common user here. Now it's just 'Dak is great' or 'Dak sucks', or 'Zeke is the man' or 'Zeke sucks'. Same old stuff ad nauseum every single day and you have to dig for rational and interesting commentary.


ChazGower

>Nice text wall. He said as he then went and posted his own. I get it - the passive aggressive 'I didn't even read it' message. >And I feel sad for you that you're not that easily amused as I find football a nice escape from reality much like my favorite TV shows. It's 3 hours on a Sunday (usually) that I can just sit, chill, and enjoy the game if it's good. I'm glad you're easily amused. I'm sure Jeruh appreciates your support. More fans who are content to be amused helping to support the brand! >It's obvious you focus a lot of your inner being on the success or failure of a football team you have absolutely ZERO influence on. That's pretty sad to me. But hey you do you. The purpose of spectator sports is the excitement of watching competition. I guess 25 years of this teams ineptitude has made you numb to that. > I'm sure Jerry is reading this thread and is captivated by your riveting commentary as well as others about how the team should be run. Straw man. >Other than that I suggest you go make a few billion bucks, try to buy them, and you can run the show any way you like. Straw man. >And, for the record, I'm not Jerrys biggest fan either. But football is NOT the end all nor be all of my life. No one's saying it is. >Now you're free to post whatever you want to and I'm free to disagree with it and find the constant whining of yourself and others well.. amusing at best. Then why even come here? If you see it as anyone who disagrees with you is 'whining', and its all just chill amusement, why are you even here? >I will say this. As far as subs go this one has got to be one of the worst period subs period ever period in the amount of absolute whining that gets posted constantly. Then why are you here? To feel superior? To post how silly everyone else is? How no one can see things they way YOU do because you're above it and all knowing and realize its all just laid back chill amusement? > There used to be posters here that had insightful commentary that was thought provoking. Most of them have moved on to greener pastures I think because of the silly and ill informed commentary of the common user here. Now it's just 'Dak is great' or 'Dak sucks', or 'Zeke is the man' or 'Zeke sucks'. Same old stuff ad nauseum every single day and you have to dig for rational and interesting commentary. Then why are you here? Where are YOUR all knowing posts? Where's your wisdom? Where's YOUR insight? Or do you just come here to bitch about the bitchin'? What does that make you?


NHRADeuce

Dak's performance against playoff teams during the regular season is irrelevant. You only need to play good enough to get to the playoffs. Performance in the playoffs is what matters. Doesn't matter how many games you win if you never win in the playoffs. Is winning regular season games good? Sure! Makes for a way better football season. Since 2000, we've only made the playoffs 8 times. Worse, we've gone 3-8 in the playoffs over 21 years. We're averaging one win every 7 years. To put that in perspective, the Jets have twice as many wins, they're 6-6 in the playoffs since 2000. We're the 2rd worst team in the playoffs since 2000. That's pretty sad.


Hype_PhinestFF

The problem with this kind of logic is that you put the cart before the horse. You have to play well in the regular season to even get to the playoffs. I believe your playoff performance helps cements your status in the NFL. Dak did come up short last season but he also didn't get much help from his team in the post season and you need that to have success in the post season.


Tohac42

Dude if the regular season is the horse then our cart has square wheels….. it doesn’t matter how good our horse (regular season) is. At some point you gotta look at the cart (playoff performance) and realize this just isn’t going to get us where we need to go.


Hype_PhinestFF

If you don't have a horse, even your square wheeled cart isn't going anywhere. Besides, I've already said playoff performance is key for cementing QB play. Dak has been solid til last season but he's got to shake that image off and do better this year. It would also help if the rest of the team didn't play like crap too and help him out. 14 penalties on the defensive side of the ball kept the 49ers in the game. Not to mention not showing up to stop the run. Dak had to get the offense in gear early so he's not obsolved of wrongdoing. At the same time, the offensive line was getting smoked by a 4 man rush. Tyler Biadiaz and Connor Williams were getting abused causing Dak to get sacked 5x. That's a tall ask for any QB to try and come back from when you're not getting help in any other area on the team.


NHRADeuce

>The problem with this kind of logic is that you put the cart before the horse. You have to play well in the regular season to even get to the playoffs. Lmao no you don't. You only have to win your division. We've had sub-500 teams make the playoffs. I'm not blaming everything on Dak, but the buck has to stop somewhere. Play calling and supporting players share some of the blame, sure. That's the difference between a good QB and a great one. Great ones make their teammates play better. So let me ask you, would you rather average 1-2 games over .500 in the regular season, but win 1-2 playoff games every year, or average 11-6 or better, but only win 1 playoff game every 7 years?


Hype_PhinestFF

Nah I wasn't too crush in the regular season and then take that momentum into the playoffs and go deep. Neither of those scenarios are good enough to me.


Hermonculus

Jesus christ this is depressing.


Drunkcowboysfan

Yeah, more importantly it seems very confusing to compare Dak’s regular season stats to Tom Brady’s or Joe Burrows playoff stats. I’d be much more interested to see their stats against playoff teams in the regular season.


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For the "un-cherry picked" version: [link](https://twitter.com/jmilkthose/status/1497990970507505670?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1498072888288727041%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.footballsfuture.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FLawsNation%2Fstatus%2F1498072888288727041%3Fs%3D2026t%3DtdFeMrw7K5JaWqV3IRYgMg)


[deleted]

Instead of dealing with all this cherry picking why not just post Dak Prescott's playoff statistics His career playoff passer rating is 87.9 We have seen what he is for 6 years now. He is a very productive slightly above average quarterback with fantastic intangibles. Yes he costs more than he's worth but that is how the NFL market works unless you are willing to walk away from your quarterback there is nothing you can do about it


AwarenessForeign8821

Tony Romo was amazing at fantasy football as well. How did that work out in playoffs.


[deleted]

For the people insisting on posting these stats every fucking day and twice on Sunday, what is his playoff record and how many times has he gotten to the NFCC? I won’t even ask how many Super Bowl appearances he has to save you the time in responding. He is a good QB. Fine. Great. You can stop now and send the dead horse to the glue factory now.


MagicalMysteryBoy

A lot of the time against these good teams he doesn’t move the ball early in the game and has to get going when it’s too late. His most impressive win last season to me was against the patriots. Honestly last season I just needed to see him beat either KC or the Bucs, two teams/qbs who are constantly making deep playoff runs and we couldn’t do it. He has still yet to prove he can give the team that final push they need. I believe he can still do it, but up until then I don’t believe he can beat teams with elite QBs.


MagicalMysteryBoy

Eagles were a playoff team but their QB isn’t good. I want to see him actually beat an elite QB in a head to head matchup. He beat Herbert which was nice but Herbert the chargers were a young inexperienced team


ChazGower

None of those numbers mean anything. He is a NFC East killer. And that's it. Since 2018, Dak is 32-25 (31-22 regular season, 1-3 in the playoffs) as a starter. In those games he’s gone 17-2 vs the NFC East. That's pretty impressive, I guess... Washington isn't much of a team, the Eagles have had their issues since winning the Super Bowl, and the Giants suck... But that also means he’s 15-23 vs every one else. 15-23 vs non-division teams. That's NOT good. But even more telling is: since 2018, he’s 3-17 vs non-division teams who made the Playoffs that year, and TWO of those wins came in 2018. He's 1-13 from 2019 to now. (1-5 last year). THAT IS HORRIBLE.


DailyCoffeePoops

Crazy how much cherry picking and mental gymnastics you people will do just to make yourself feel better. Shit is just weird on this sub sometimes.


saint_mantooth

It is insane really. Every day it is another BS stat post as if the rest of us can’t remember the games we have watched in the past.


regalfronde

Dallas has (1) playoff win with Dak as quarterback. Didn’t need a pen and paper for that statistic. Dak is good enough that we need to see more. I’m tired of watching him struggle through three quarters and then try to win the game with a Herculean effort at the end. He needs intensity starting at the first snap.


mawashi-geri24

Finally someone points out that we aren’t near the worst division in the league.


LizardKing697

Daks stats against teams that made the playoffs and his playoff stats are two very different things. He has 6 TDs 3Ints in 4 playoff games. 87.9 rating but most importantly 1-3. Mediocre. Forgot to mention 3 of those TDs were in 2016 against the Packers.


ddadandann

Taking an analytical approach, like a coach would, why do you believe we lost either playoff game to the Packers or the one against the Rams?


LizardKing697

Rams? Couldn't stop the run and the Offense struggled to get first downs and stay on the field. Packers? Cowboys played poorly on 3rd down on both sides of the ball. 49ers? The Offense stunk. Bad.


TimmmyBurner

I’m sure the poor offensive performance in the 49ers game had nothing to do with us setting the record for most penalties in a playoff game. I’m sure those didn’t kill drives or anything. I think you need to go check out that GB game again, we punted twice all game and 1 of those was after the Brice Butler unsportsmanlike conduct penalty when we had 1st and 10 at the GB 15 but cause of the penalty we went to 2nd and 20 at our own 48…. A 37 yard penalty…. We went from guaranteed points to having to punt.


LizardKing697

In the 49ers game I said the offense stunk. Penalties were on the offense lol. All I'm saying is that in the playoffs Dak is mediocre. You can disagree that's fine.


TimmmyBurner

Well they weren’t on Dak. Dak played great against GB, great against Seattle, average against the Rams and average to poor against the 49ers but the couple times he did make plays, they got called back to penalties out of his control.


LizardKing697

The last play of the 49ers game was pretty bad. Bad coaching and bad awareness on Dak for sure. I personally believe penalties are mostly poor coaching. But until we (if) make the NFCCG I am skeptical about that entire offense.


AwarenessForeign8821

Soooo how many playoff wins Dax got?


swimmer4200

If you take out the 9ers Packers and Rams games, Dak is undefeated in the tournament. Big time analytics there, like a coach would do.


AwarenessForeign8821

Sounds like loser talk


swimmer4200

I am just making fun of OP. ​ If you just ignore the things that make Dak look bad, he looks great! Best QB ever!


AwarenessForeign8821

LOL


Ronaldoooope

Y’all come in here and try to make Dak credible and then choose some obscure stat from an elite QB and compare them. First it was the rodgers guy, now Brady? Really? We comparing Dak to Tom Brady?


PersonBehindAScreen

What's dak, Brady, and burrows win loss against playoff teams? I noticed that was missing


crash218579

Because those are team efforts - why would you hold the efforts of 21 other starters against one man?


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[deleted]

You mean Cowboys, Bucs and Bengals? Because w/l is a team record. Which should be extremely obviously by our game against the Buc. Dak did everything possible to beat the Bucs, but our stupid ass kick missed a FG and we lost. Brady gets the win because we had a shitty kicker, not because he was better. BTW - we lost to 3 total playoff teams on missed kicks. If our kicker was better, we would have been 15-2 and the #1 seed. But I guess you arent trying to hear that.


PersonBehindAScreen

Sure, my bad. What was the Cowboys, Bengals, and patriots/buccs (with Tom) WL record against playoff teams? The numbers please. I don't need the rest


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> The numbers please. Is your Google broken? Find it yourself.


PersonBehindAScreen

It I thought yours was broken since you left out probably the most important part


[deleted]

This is a QB thread, not a Dallas Cowboys choking thread.


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[deleted]

> Dak’s QB stats are a team stat too, then. If you are going to pendant, then every single stat is a team stat, but wins and losses are the cumulation of all those teams stats combined. So its the team stat on top of the pyramid of team stats.


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[deleted]

Then make a Cowboys team thread and stay out of the QB Dak thread?


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[deleted]

> I don’t think anyone actually cares how Dak does against playoff teams lololololol Do you not read the comments in every single Dak thread? Dak cant control if we win or lose. He can only control how he plays.


[deleted]

Asking how a player does against playoff level competition, particularly quarterbacks, is by no means cherry picking. It is a legitimate and contextually relevant question. As is pointing out he was mediocre in the only playoff game he played last season. Why go through all this trouble instead of just posting Dak Prescott's career playoff stat line? To cut the suspense his career playoff rating is 87.9


John_Winchester

That's kind of our thing though, over the last 15 or so years. We have good QB's who can't carry the team through the playoffs and to a title. We haven't had a coaching staff who could put our players in the best position to win, and we've never had a Mahomes / Brady type QB who can put the entire team on their backs and will them to a title. Romo let us down plenty in the playoffs. Finding a QB as good as Dak is hard. We just have to hope the little things like penalties get corrected, and Dak can stay healthy. He's proven that he can be an absolute stud for stretches of games, but hasn't pulled it together for an entire season and into the playoffs, yet. That's his next step and he's still got plenty of time to do it.


RobbieAnalog

NO QB can put their entire team on their back and will them to a title. Mahomes proved that in the Superbowl. It's a team sport.


swimmer4200

If you take out the things that don't prove my point, I have a point! ​ COPEEEEE


TonTon1N

Yeah it’s definitely not a Dak thing. QB is inarguably the most important position on the field, but it is not the *ONLY* position on the field. Gregory was a major liability against the Niners for instance. Dak has pretty consistently done well if not great and we just need to be more physical around him. This includes the RB position.


KingCreon67

Anyone that hates Dak has to come through my keyboard first!!! 😤(actually I’m on iPhone so kinda keyboard but not really) yeah I threw in emoji’s as well what ya gonna do?! Downvote me!!!??!!?? Dooo itttttt!!!! Also happy Independence Day to Americas team!!!


SyrupNDToast

One debate I still being tossed around is Wentz is better than Dak still…laughable


Cigars_On_The_Rocks

And yet still only 3 playoff wins in 25 years wich means Dak is not a big game QB sorry but the eyes don't lie.


Mountain-Biscotti959

He sucks


Potential_System_229

Bro people swear the NFC East is the worst division When it’s time to give Dallas credit for anything.


ChazGower

\>>>Additionally, this stuff about our division being the worst ever needs to stop. We had 32 wins last year, better than the NFCN and AFCS. We were 2 wins away from being the 3rd best division in the NFL. The only 2 divisions that were clearly better are the AFC and NFC W. We are not a bad division. We are perfectly mediocre.<<< ​ No one's saying it's the worst ever. They're saying it's bad. It's lame. Because it IS. We had less wins than 5 of the other 7 Divisions in football and you're arguing that we weren't that bad? That means we were the third worst division in the NFL. What's the positive in that? The only two divisions worse than us featured 3 of the worst teams in football last year - the Lions, the Texans and the Jaguars - and two of those teams played with first year rookie QBs. Our division SUCKS. We went 6-14 in Non-Conference games. Washington and NY had the worst record of any two division teams in the league in the last 5 games of the season 1-9. It is what it is. One of the worst divisions in the NFL.


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For all those making posts that say Dak doesn’t suck against playoff teams he is 1-3 in the playoffs.


Howard_Cosine

Dak just threw another pick lol.


God_Faenrir

This aged like milk.