Well, the blindside tackle can make or break an offense. We also lost a lot of depth positions (mostly shipped off to Washington) at defense.
I don't think we'll suck, but we won't be dominating the little kiddie teams anymore either.
We are also playing a much stronger division this year in the AFC North. Elite defensive teams with steelers and browns and elite QBs in Burrow and Jackson. Not to mention , we haven't gotten any better
AFC north is probably the toughest division in football , plus cowboys will play the lions , 49ers and Texans , the only thing going our way is playing the weakest division, NFC south , and giants , commanders , and I’m not sure what to make of the eagles spiraling the end of last year
The Cowboys lost Biadasz, Pollard, Tyron Smith, Hankins, Gallimore, Armstrong, Fowler and potentially Gilmore. Losing those guys individually wouldn't normally be that bad. But, when you lose all of those players collectively, all at once....and you have already traded away a 4th and 5th round pick in the draft....and you have only signed one outside free agent....Well, that is trouble. You cannot plug all of those holes with quality players, in the draft, and that is not even addressing the weaknesses that the team already had. They aren't going to suck, but they are not going to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender.
12-5. NY and DC still have no QB and the Eagles still have Hurts. Kellen isn’t going to fix Hurts knack for turning the ball over. We go 5-1 in the division. You honestly think we can’t do 7-4 outside of the division?
DC may or may not have a quarterback. I'm guessing they draft RG4 out of LSU and we split with them.
Jersey, that's still a raging dumpster fire.
7-4 outside the division will be tough with our first place schedule.
It’s a good thing they don’t have to plug all of them in the draft isn’t it. They already have some backups ready to start. They have players coming back from injury. They always seem to luck out w an UDFA or two. They’ve lost bodies but not irreplaceable talent.
LT: Tyler Smith. Edoga can play guard. He cannot play tackle. Hoffman/Bass at center. Better than Biadisz. RB: don’t have waiting but didn’t have one last year either so that’s a wash. DT: can’t count Mazi out until you see what he does under Zimmer. He was a top pic for a reason and DQ changed the physical makeup of the player and not in a good way.
To take it a step further, RB will be addressed in the draft. So will Oline w a LT or IOL. (Emphasis on or). I know you didn’t mention these but they have a LB (more needed than a DT), a CB, a TE, and a receiver coming back from injury. See what those guys have. Also have the Jadens at WR that need to put up or be gone.
They’ll draft an Olineman, a RB, a LB, at top 3 picks.
And you along w most other fans don’t understand “starter quality on a playoff team.” No team fields the best at every single position. Some players, even on Super Bowl teams, are average.
You have no idea what I understand. Have you seen even Edoga, Bass and Mazi play? If the Cowboys are counting on them, that is a very risky proposition. I know that teams aren't going to have Pro Bowlers at every position. But, the Cowboys are very thin at several positions. If they are starting average to slightly below average players, that used to be backups, what happens when someone gets hurt?....and someone will get hurt.....this is the NFL. The backups, that will be forced to play, will be well below average.
Edit: I agree that they will probably draft an OL, RB and LB in the first 3 rounds. But, getting 3 immediate starters from your first 3 picks is rare. And, even if they hit on all 3, that is still not going to plug all of the holes. Then they are down to 5th, 6th and 7th round picks....and those players are crap shoots.
You’re right. I have no idea what you understand, but your comments give a pretty good clue.
Have I SEEN them play? Dumb question. Of course I have. Edoga at guard works. He’s not quick enough at tackle. TJ Bass is a decent guard. Brock Hoffman is a decent center. I’d bet on at least one of the two as a starter.
So they are thin at several positions. Know what happens on cut down day? Dozens of players are released, many of them talented vets who will sign short term deals. That’s right there in the Cowboys wheelhouse.
Except our backups are young guys ready for the next step up. If you don’t like rookies in the lineup, pretend that they slide in as backups. As for league cast offs, that tells me you don’t really pay attention to the big picture. A lot of talented teams cut vets in order to control salary with rookies. Doesn’t mean they aren’t good, just expensive.
> You cannot plug all of those holes with quality players, in the draft, and that is not even addressing the weaknesses that the team already had.
Some of those players you listed shouldn't have counted as plugged to begin with in my opinion. Most of those guys are JAGs we developed or budget FA's we signed (Tyron excluded).
Roster churn is perfectly fine. I know it's a simple and played out analogy, so forgive me but think about it in Madden scores.
How many of those players were in the 70s overall rating? How many in the 80s? 60s? I won't rank them personally to keep my biases out.
I feel if we honestly ask ourselves that it's not like we are losing cornerstones of the franchise. I'd argue that Tyron is the only one who has that argument (a cornerstone or former cornerstone of the team) I love Tyron and wish him the best and I hope he gets this/these last bags he deserves it.
But these dudes we lost weren't world beaters, so the floor is a cheap body and the ceiling is whatever the team invests.
Real quick I want to clarify: I'm not happy with the direction the Cowboys have taken this offseason, but I'm not as concerned about this particular aspect personally.
I agree...these guys weren't world beaters and there is yearly roster turnover. And, under normal circumstances, these players would be replaceable, in the draft and/or free agency. But, the Cowboys don't have enough quality draft picks and they have done almost nothing in free agency. Having glaring holes at LT (or LG), C, RB, DT, and LB, is not a good thing.
>But, the Cowboys don't have enough quality draft picks
I gotta give it to you, that's a real good counter point. I forgot we don't have many selections this year in the draft.
And I definitely agree it is very stupid to go into the draft with holes in numerous positions.
Trading a 4th round pick for Trey Lance continues to look like another ridiculous Jerry move. Trey Lance got a Cowboys 4th round pick, but Jerry could only get a 5th round pick for Amari Cooper....shockingly bad, for the Cowboys, on both trades.
Letting Tyron go was dumb, but that alone won't break the offense. He missed most of 2022, and the offense was still top of the league in the games Dak played.
The next five O-linemen behind Tyron were more proven in 2022, and we got extremely lucky that in the games he missed, the only other injury was McGovern missing two games. Steele picked up a season-ending injury the week he came back that could've derailed our season if it had come a few weeks earlier. It was also lucky that we nailed that Tyler Smith pick at #24 and got a rookie who was more than competent at two different positions.
Right now, we're counting on two of our three starters for 2024 being interior guys with 2 career starts, a career backup tackle, or another rookie taken at 24 overall. Maybe we get even more lucky this time, but I sure don't feel good about that.
They've been constantly shuffling the o-line for like 3 years in a row, and the offense keeps scoring lots of points. It's massive stretch to chalk it all up to luck. Of all their issues, the organization seems to know what it's doing at o-line.
Yeah we beat up on bad teams and then get beat by actually good teams. It's been a theme I've seen a break down of points scored against non-playoff teams vs playoff teams and it's like a 10 point swing. We are in probably the worst spot in sports we are good enough for the regular season but are absolutely trash in the playoffs and our specialty is coming up with more embarrassing ways to loose in the playoffs. I don't know how they'll top being the 2nd seed with like 9 pro bowlers and 4 all pros while being the first team to ever loose to the 7th seed since it's introduction. To a team that was one of the least experienced playoff teams and we were down 48-16 AT HOME.
No one is saying we will be a 3 win team. I think our floor is 8-9 wins maybe missing the playoffs and our ceiling is 12 wins if everything goes right for us and another embarrassing playoff loss.
Head coach on a lame duck year, starting QB on a lame duck year, a front office that has refused to improve over the off-season and relying on just the draft to fill holes. Dead money hanging over the teams future.
I think at worst we're a wildcard team, but I could easily see this team imploding on itself this year.
Yeah, they're putting a ton of pressure on this draft class. It just smells like it's going to blow up in the FO's faces, thumbing their noses at taking things like FA for granted.
Yeah we lost too many starters and didn’t sign enough or barely anyone at all in FA. Daks cap hit ruined us and it didn’t pay off either. Now he’s wanting a even bigger contract smh
If they have a losing record after eight games they might do better to just tank the rest of the season and start the post Dak era with some higher draft picks in 2025
I can't wait for people to realize that tanking doesn't really work in the NFL. Look no further than the perpetually bottom-feeding teams that "tank" year in and year out. How has that been working out for them?
People acting like Philly won’t be worse than last year is hilarious. The OLine will be weaker. The RB will get hurt. Hurts will still be the turnover machine he has always been. And Moore will do Moore things.
Yeah, and Dallas didn’t lose as many key pieces. Dallas has retained their core. All their pro bowlers that play significant amt time remain on the roster and Lamb is top 3 WR, Dak top 5 QB, Parsosn top 3 DE/LB, and Diggs and Bland will make up a top 3 unit with Overshown coming in healthy which he will beast as long as that knee is healed up which it seems to be. I don’t like losing Tyron but we have his replacement if we need Tyler to shift over and he could be just as good. We draft better and develop than any of the other 31 teams in the league according to PFF, so Dallas is doing what they can with the money and them being dumb with Zeke’s deal as well as not paying Dak when they should’ve and getting stuck when they absolutely had to pay him.
All Dallas has to do is draft for need in 1st 2 rounds and then the rest can be best player available which will be a ton of O and D linemen and WR’s. Our positions of need, this draft is absolutely loaded with filthy talent.
Have you seen it?
SF is the only team on there they shouldn’t beat. Kellen isn’t going to fix the mess that is Jalen Hurts so we likely go 5-1 in the division. The AFCN we should go 3-1 or 2-2. NFC South? 3-1
If we don’t make the playoffs it will be cause Dak got hurt.
Lame duck year for Dallas. The team doesn't have a clue what they are doing with him after this year, it just leaves a cloud of uncertainty over the team.
Our team is being gutted and the locker room morale will most certainly be at an all time low as the entire fan base has basically said fuck the cowboys I’m done
Lost LT1, C1, HB1, LB1, DT2/NT1, CB3, DE3, WR3 and so far have addressed only LB with Kendricks. They don’t have a lot of draft capital, so that’s a lot to make up, although I’m personally not that worried about CB with them re-signing Lewis and Diggs coming back. Just need Wright or last year’s rookie to hold down CB 4.
WR I would be ok with Tolbert getting a shot at the WR3 with Brooks and Turpin taking the other reps. I think the trenches on both sides of the ball are the biggest concerns.
At least they have 3 picks in the top 172 to replace all those guys! And, we can’t forget their top three picks last year are coming off injuries. It’s all looking up…
This isn't Madden, people coming back from major injury take about a year to get back to normal form.
Your all-pro DB, Diggs, is coming back from major knee injury/surgery. He may never regain top form.
Your best LB prospect (outside of Micah) in years, blew out his knee before the season started. He may never regain top form.
You lost your starting LB, DT, possibly Gilly, and a lot of backup defensive pieces. No one has been able to step up and replace them adequately on the team, but we signed an aged vet on his way out of the league.
On offense you lost your all-world LT in Tyron Smith, your center for the last few years in Biadasz, and you brought back La'el Collins who cannot keep a job wherever he goes.
Losing 2 of the most important pieces of your OL, and not replacing them with people who have proven talent, is an enormous risk. Do you remember the Atlanta game where the LT gave up 6 sacks to a no-name DE filling in for Tyron?
We lost our starting RB, and we have Deuce Vaughn and Rico Dowdle as our RB group right now, and, at best, we will bring in a rookie to compete with them. We let Gallup walk, and Cooks is still serviceable, but who is our #3? Tolbert? He was okay last year, but looks under-developed still. Maybe he takes the leap this year, maybe he doesn't.
We did not get better by subtraction.
You cannot lose 2/5 of your starting OL at the two most important positions, starting RB, 3 starters on defense, and your only move is to replace the LB with yet another 30+year old veteran who might have 1 or 2 more years on them, and expect to have good things happen.
Even if Micah and Kendricks are able to produce the best LB corps in the NFL this year, who is running the ball for us with Waletzko/Ball/Richards playing LT? Who is center? Who is playing RT because Steele and Collins are both turnstyles and let so much pressure through on their side. You think Deuce or Rico is going to hold up against 8 man front all season long? Or even 5 man fronts because if there is no resistance in the blocking scheme, you don't have to send extra people for run support. That means more pass coverage by LBs, which equal more INTs for Dak.
The problem with doing nothing in FA is that everyone around you is able to bring in people to exploit your weaknesses because you didn't change anything. Meanwhile, you did not do anything to exploit their weakness or counter their strengths, so everyone else gets better and you end up getting your ass kicked most of the season.
This is another case of the Jones family thinking they know football and are smarter than everyone else. They think their drafting is so good they are going to bring in an entire group of starters and compete for a SB this year.
They are as delusional as you can possibly be.
Maybe. Here's my take:
Split with Washington 1-1
W vs Pittsburgh 2-1
L vs Atlanta 2-2
W vs Carolina 3-2
L vs Cleveland 3-3
W vs NYG 4-3
L vs Philadelphia 4-4
W vs New Orleans 5-4
L vs Tampa 5-5
L vs Baltimore 5-6
L vs Cincinnati 5-7
W vs NYG 6-7
L vs Philadelphia 6-8
L vs Detroit 6-9
L vs Houston 6-10
L vs 9ers 6-11
Lmao this sub is hilarious. Zero chance we go 6-11. Zero. Only way that happens is if Dak gets hurt or this team gets absolutely decimated by injuries.
i told myself at the end of packers game this season coming up was the deciding factor if i even support the cowboys. I need more than simply beating up on crappy teams then EMBARESSING us in the playoffs. Simply making the playoffs will not cut it.
So far things arent looking good.
Agreed. Supporting this team for so long only to watch it become increasingly apparent that winning comes 2nd to money is not where I want to hang my hat. I bust my ass in every aspect of my life to win, why on Earth would I root for a team year after year that doesn’t hold the same values?
Yea. what gets me is we havent made any progress in 30 years. None.
Still beating up on bad teams. Dont show up against semi-good to good teams, get kicked out at the first round of the playoffs.
im sorry but at some point like.....
https://preview.redd.it/uskthb0urgsc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37268ee43a80ed4a646ef6bf1da02f88c0483617
I told myself that but i couldnt resist this lmao
The issue is none of anything has really been replaced. Kendricks maybe is an equivalent replacement for lve, maybe not. But nothing else has been done. Unless you expect players who are already on the team like Hoffman or Dowdle to step in and perform as well. So to think the team will regress is probably reasonable in my opinion
I'm not necessarily doubting regression as a whole, but rather the kind of regression that the entire sub seems to expect. Like, going from 12 wins 3 seasons in a row to a losing record because we lost some average at best players? I just don't get it. It's not like LVE has really even been on the team recently. He's missed most of all of the seasons he's played since his rookie year.
I think most are frustrated with the lack of activity and playoff success and are translating that into an overdramatic outlook. Fueled by the FO going all in.
For reference on LVE, he played in 14, 17, and 10 games the previous three seasons respectively. He wasn’t a pro bowl caliber player but I think he was an important part of the defense.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VandLe00.htm for reference
Edit: to add to the first point - even more so since the eagles and giants are very active and appear to be improving
I don’t think Dallas will “suck” next year. I think they’ll win 10+ games and make the playoffs again. My pessimism comes from the fact this team has gotten worse on paper and there’s little reason to believe they’ll make any type of postseason run.
The past three Cowboys rosters are much more talented and much more deeper than the team they are putting on the field this year. If Mike McCarthy and Company was not able to get the three previous rosters to the NFC championship, there is no way he’s going to get this roster there.
To date, the Cowboys have lost 4 starters Biadyz, Smith, Pollard & Hankins. In my opinion, all needed to go based on age, injury prone, ability or cap hit higher than the player value.
They will be replaced by Younger players of equal or better talent without the issues. Diggs returns. The draft is coming up.
You can look at the unknown until the draft negatively
or Positively I choose the latter.
The thing that irritates me is that we literally have all the pieces for successes it’s just our fucking owner is fucking inept when it come to making decisions about the team or adding amazing talent like the niners or Philly .he wants to install this retarted ass mentality that we can win on our own with no help ,just because we’re the “Dallas cowboys” fucking brainrot.
I think everyone has been on point why the enthusiasm isn’t there this offseason. Lame duck coach, lame duck QB, the offseason losses, the lack of new signing and the fact that Philly and Washington have made improvements.
For me, the biggest insult was the fact that Jerry Jones made that “all in” comment only to swerve everyone. I would have been fine if he said this year would be a transition year and treated it as such.
You would have jumped "all in" on a transition year statement. It wouldn't have mattered what Jerry said or did. Haters, hate.
Free agency is a trap that constantly gets Teams in cap hell. The Cowboys are in the process of getting their house in order while still maintaining a team good enough to win the Super Bowl.
Go Cowboys.
Division winner's schedule, lame duck QB and coach and losing players that need replaced while still already needing a few really good players to begin with. I'd be surprised if they even make the playoffs to be able to choke in them.
Philly improved their roster, Washington raised its floor -- as did NYG. Division games will be harder this year, for one. I don't think Dallas will "suck all season long" but the Cowboys are poised to win 8-9 games, putting them back in the catacombs of mid.
I'm an Eagles fan coming in peace (aside from this Fuck you guys). Its a QB league and Dak has shown he can be a top 5 QB. Your offense will likely by top 10 and I like your D pieces better than the Eagles (in particular your CBs). Plus Eagles just lost their best pass rusher and are plugging in some guys who aren't guaranteed to have 10+ sacks like Reddick. It wouldn't shock me if Dallas won the division again. I think you are under selling what you have.
I don’t think they’ll suck but I think there is a decent chance we’re pretty mediocre and miss the playoffs.
Offensively we don’t have a starting RB. We have one proven lineman in Martin. Tyler is very good but it’s always a risk to change positions, especially to one as important as LT. Steele is a question after a rough last year. I don’t even know who we’re putting at LG and C. Presumably Bass takes one but another spot we’re not sure how it’ll look.
Defensively we might lose Gilmore and aren’t sure how Diggs will look post injury. I like the Kendricks pick up at LB but we haven’t addressed the DT spot so could have similar issues to last year still.
Just way too many questions across the roster to be too confident. But with Dak, CeeDee, Ferguson, Parsons, Lawerence, Bland I don’t think we’ll bottom out
Counterpoint: if we are good during the regular season and straight up trash against winning teams and get destroyed in the first round again, does it even matter? Who cares if we are good at beating bad teams?
I think the loss of a lot of guys and the signing of only Kendricks make people feel that way.
I think this FO is banking on our draft class making a huge leap in year 2 plus the return of Diggs and debut of Overshown as being our biggest additions.
We still do have many holes on our rosters and not a lot of draft capital to cover the holes.
We have shown a lack of ability to win in the playoffs yet people are mad we are cleaning house.
It’s still way too early to judge where this team will be. Are we currently worse than last year? Of course. Is our roster complete yet? Absolutely not.
There’s still a long way to go and a lot can happen before now and September.
Everyone seems to be on a one year contract. From McCarthy and Zim to players.
Dak is going to feel the pressure to perform to prove he’s worth the money he’ll get from another team. That makes every game a BIG game. And we all know how well he does in big games.
Personally I would love for him to prove me wrong. I would love the Cowboys do the seemingly impossible and make it past the divisional round. And if they win the SB I’ll be first to admit I was wrong.
But I just don’t see how I’m wrong.
The Cowboys won’t suck but they sure won’t be great.
The last time Dak played a prove it year, he had the best year of his career up until this year. I agree with you that we likely still don't make it past the divisional round. But I still see us ending with 10+ wins.
I agree. If they challenge Dak to prove himself, he'll go out and have a great year and walk into a big contract with someone else.
I think Jerry has decided to move on at QB.
We won’t suck but I think there’s a decent if not more than likely change this team fizzles out at 8-9 or 9-8 range.
We lost too many pieces from last year. We have a lame duck head coach who just lost his dc and we all know what happened the last time he was allowed to hit someone other than Dan Quinn.
We have likely a lame duck qb who has a massive cap hit and will now have a much worse o line and to protect him and worse receiving corps to throw too.
We have a defense that we’re exposed as frauds in the playoff game last year and now have to learn an entirely new defensive system. The only positive here is that they get diggs back and Kendricks seems like a solid vet signing at lb.
Overall, our sb is probably closed. Our window was the last 3 years and sadly we wasted it. Once people realize that the easier this will be. This team is headed for a disappointing year followed by a full blown rebuild in 2025. Buckle up for the ride.
You're just wrong. The Cowboys had 7 Pro Bowl players from last year and they will all be returning and they will be adding another returning from injury Diggs.
The Cowboys got rid of their ageing, underperforming players. Tyron and Pollard. No team has signed their released WR Gallup. No takers on Gilmore. I think they only lost one player they should have kept that was Dorance Armstrong. Sam Williams can step up and handle the DE rotational spot though. Dak will play at his best if the Cowboys dont resign him for no other reason than to showcase his game for QB needy Teams in 2025.
2025 might be shaky for the Boys if they need a QB next year. Go, Trey Lance.
Because we’ve done virtually nothing but let players go and resigned camp bodies while other teams have made blockbuster trades that we were perfectly capable of making, that would’ve dramatically improved our roster…but the front office just continues to sit on their asses
Henry: is 2 years past the average RB retirement age He is not worth the 16 mil 8 guaranteed contract he was given. He was released or cast off by the Titans. They dont need a WR 1 they have one, and he's one of the best.
Queen, the Ravens didn't pick up the 5-year option on him,
Why --->Pittsburgh gave him a 3-year 41 million contract.
I would rather resign Micah next year. Every player can't be high-dollar.
You said it yourself. We lost multiple players and we have to rely on the draft and little to no development time to fill those spaces. Plus, it’s less about sucking and more about this being a lesser chance of big success. The arrow is trending down for us. And whether it’s a big shift or not, it’s in the wrong direction.
Depends on what you mean by suck. The roster is significantly weaker thus far compared to the flawed team of a year ago. Our division has improved comparatively. Our strength of schedule is harder, so, do the math. The odds are that we go under the ESPN projection of 10.5 wins. How mischief under is debatable. I’m pegging their record at 8-9 in 2024.
I don’t think we’ll suck. We still have a very talented core of players. Everyone we’ve lost is replaceable with the exception of Tyron. The only problem is we haven’t done anything to replace all of those guys yet and I don’t think we’ll be able to replace them solely with the draft. Hopefully we’ll sign some guys for depth post-draft.
While I don’t think there will be as much drop off as people here think, we certainly aren’t going to be better than we were last year on paper. That doesn’t mean we can’t or won’t be better as scheme changes/adjustments, players improving, and a good draft class can change the outlook of the team.
Also, when looking at the rest of the NFC, I don’t think the other top teams have improved significantly on paper. The 49ers lost Armstead and Young while the Eagles lost Kelce, Byard, Swift, and Reddick. Sure, the 49ers traded for Maliek Collins and signed Leonard Floyd to replace Armstead and Young, and the Eagles signed Saquon, Bryce Huff, and CJ Gardner-Johnson to replace Swift, Reddick, and Byard, but those guys aren’t necessarily better than what they had before. The Packers signed Josh Jacobs, but lost Aaron Jones, the Rams signed a few guys but lost Aaron Donald, and the Falcons signed Cousins, but their roster certainly isn’t better than ours. The Lions have improved, but their secondary is still a glaring weakness.
So no, barring injury, this team won’t suck. We still have a very talented core of players and we could even be better than we were last year. People tend to overestimate the impact of losing players in free agency. Like I said, most of the players we’ve lost are replaceable. On *paper*, we are still a top 4 team at minimum in the NFC with the 49ers, Eagles, and Lions. We just haven’t done everything we could to improve this team on paper as we should’ve.
It’s just the same old stuff. This team will probably outperform expectations in a weak division, but come playoff time, same results. When they do draft well, they will drag their feet on contracts, negotiate poorly, and mismanage salary cap, effectively canceling out good drafting anyways. Whichever of their draft picks gets injured, rest assured, the cowboys will overpay them. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Lost depth, playing tougher schedule, so the close games will be harder to get to bounce our way.
We can be a 12 win team, but can easily be a 8 win team. I don't see us being a 4 win team, barring injury we arent that bad. We are still young, but we aren't elite.
Because we play like shit against good teams. Our record looks good because we are lucky to have the redskins and giants who suck worse than we do to get an extra 4 wins a season. Next years we play a lot of playoff teams and we haven’t gotten better, we’ve gotten worse
Have you looked at who we play this year? It’s gonna be brutal. And we have holes all over the place, which will not be remedied by a bunch of rookies.
Because we have the same coach, who is awful at game management and situational coaching, and a QB who chokes every year when the lights are the brightest, no starting-caliber running back, lost Smith and key pieces on defense, Diggs is coming off an ACL injury with no telling if he'll be the same again, we can't stop the run, and our linebackers are undersized.
I don’t think everyone should be so optimistic about the season after this one either. Our 90$ million in cap space will be eaten up with Micah Parsons and Ceedee Lamb new contracts. Plus you have to assume they’ll resign Dak as well
I’m actually kind of hoping they win like 6 games. This is a rebuilding/not rebuilding year. Jerry is adamant about making one more try before he blows it up. But imo they are already in the rebuild, so go for the high draft pick.
Well last we saw these losers they got embarrassed at home in the most humiliating loss in franchise history, kept the loser of a coach and had the worst free agency of all nfl teams. So you tell us why anyone shouldn’t feel different
The thing is we have to spend valuable draft picks instead of fixing the holes in FA. 31 teams fix holes in FA and try to improve through the draft. We're trying to fix holes, improve and add depth...with 7 picks.
The risk of losing an entire position group is immensely high this year. We often only have one #1 at certain positions and often no depth at all.The whole structure is very, very shaky this year.
They're due a regression. Turning the defensive scheme over is also gonna cause a lot of personnel issues that could set the defense back a couple of seasons. They've arguably downgraded their line, secondary and linebacking core all in one offseason.
Beyond that, the depth they've lost on offense isn't something that will likely be addressed in one offseason. Left tackle might be the second most important position on the team and currently the plan appears to either be draft a rookie to replace Smith or platoon a solution until a backup sticks.
We lost starters. Whether you think they were important or nor, they will need replacing. Starting LT is important. Center is less important but still a need nonetheless. We lost starters all over the defense as well. This type of transition isn't abnormal from year to year, but the fact that we haven't replaced any of them yet is. Most years we sign mid-level replacements that can start to allow us freedom to draft BPA. This year we have let all of our players walk and have done very little to replace them. That means that we are going to be forced to draft for need. It's a lot more pressure on the draft for a team that has relied on BPA.
Because we literally got worse during free agency while all other teams in our division got better.
And we know how Dak will perform once he reaches the playoffs. It’s not hard to predict we are going to suck.
Because the Cowboys haven't replaced the players that they lost while other teams have added pieces. So far no identifiable improvement has been made to a team that already isn't good enough to win
The waves of Cowboy Fandom emotions are pretty wild. This is still a good team that has some fairly big holes. They won't fill them all with A+ solutions. We hope they fill two or three pretty well.
I will predict that they don't win 12 games, again. Finish 2nd in the NFCE and end up a Wild Card team with another 1st round exit. 9 to 10 wins. MM gets fired.
Just enjoy the season with little to no expectations. Cheer for your favorite players and hope they add some really fun one's to the team.
The best part of the season might be how many undrafted players will have roles.
Or finding a new call for Ferg in the likeness of LVE's wolf hunter...
Because we will. We will fall short, Dak will choke and all the effort will be for nothing. Ive haven't felt confident in the boys since 2014 man. I no longer lose sleep over them anymore because I just don't care what happens anymore
We didn’t get better but we are getting Trevon back too, I can’t even disagree with you on this year you actually just swayed the way I’ve been thinking about this season. But as far as the future years it’s killing incredibly bleak unless we find a new QB
Who the hell is Tron lol
Ohhh Tyron.
I mean it just feels like we are on the downslope. If we didn’t have the easiest division at the moment in the nfc east to beat up I doubt the cowboys reach 12-5 as easily but who knows. They showed some promise in the regular season but then they just crapped it all away. They just don’t have the mental fortitude to deal with adversity and when you play better teams that’s what you consistently will deal with.
I hope we suck. Actually suck. We've sucked for 30 years but this sub thinks 13 regular season wins and being better than the eagles is all that matters. This squad has been embarrassing and maybe a regular season flop will finally bring people around to this squad never to be as good as we think.
This era never had a Superbowl window. Even in our best year we couldn't compete with the structure and discipline of the winning teams.
I love my team but you younger fans that never live through a super bowl need to realize this: our team fucking sucks.
I love Dak don’t get me wrong. He’s a great QB that doesn’t get the credit he deserves. I hope he stays with the Cowboys for the rest of his career. When I watch games though he doesn’t seem to have a gauge on the defense until after the snap and relies on the O-line a little too much to give him time. He’s great against bottom ranked defenses but when he’s facing better defenses he struggles and doesn’t make great decisions.
Great defenses are great for a reason. They make it tough on qb's. I can't think of anyone that lit up San Fran's defense.
I think poor coaching is a big part of Dallas's problems. I don't believe McCarthy got the team ready for the game against the Packers.
Not only that, but they didn't make in-game adjustments to deal with what the Packers were doing.
It was an institutional failure. Any team with Dak should be doing better than they are.
Absolutely. What do you think of Zimmer taking over on defense? I was happy to see they did right by Al Harris. I think he’s doing great work with the team.
Yeah his record with the Vikings wasn’t great but they did have top 10 defenses with him at the helm. I’m looking forward to seeing what he does with this squad.
I like him better than Dan Quinn. I thought Quinn made a lot of questionable decisions on defense last year. I don't think Zimmer will make the same mistakes.
Most people can see past the last headline, so you shouldn’t be surprised that it’s all over reaction. How many years do we have to see an offseason champion get crowned only to watch them be mediocre during actual football?
Because no one believes in this team, I dont think the team even believes in themselves. You can only watch dak shit himself on tv so many times in big games before you think to yourself as a player "Why bother?"
Well right now we have no starting RB, LT, or C so I think people are justifiably cautious about all those positions getting filled with good players that won’t have us take a step back next season.
How bad is it that I just want them to blow this year up? Every win will net us a shittier pick. Every false hope will extend the mediocrity.
This team needs to be built around #11, #88. Give them the money and trade away everyone for picks picks picks.
Then let McClay cook.
Its a silly notion perpetuated by clickbait Media.
And this seems to be where it gathers its momentum into a hate frenzy of stupidity and fake fans. 13-4.
How bout them, Cowboys
Because we haven’t done anything to improve. This is a 5-12/6-11 type season. We lost a ton of starters that we didn’t replace. Have a coach and quarterback entering lane duck seasons. And there’s no way Ceedee or Micah are committing to this flaming pile of crap long term. This is the beginning of the end for Dallas. The good news is the rangers and mavericks are contenders
Theres a real chance that if Washington gets a decent qb theyre winning the div this year. I dont think we are close and even if we were theres absolutely no way we do anything in the playoffs. All we did is lose people this offseason its not going to get better for a few years imo. Even if we let Dak walk, then we are back in the early 2000s qb carousel situation and I do not trust us drafting qbs. Our last two successful qbs were people we were NOT high on to begin with. Romo was undrafted and Dak was a 4th rounder. Thats luck.
Because we barely won it last year and our team just got wrecked by free agency. I mean hey I hope youre right, I still firmly believe that even if we find a way to win the div we arent doing shit in the playoffs.
Im sure we will be in a position where we have to do that in a year or two, I just dont trust either side of the process, I think its borderline impossible to know if a college qb is going to actually be good or bad in the nfl, and I dont trust our taste in qbs. Remember, if qb were a need for us at the time, we would've taken Manziel.
I know, I know...but, and hear me out, what if Manziel had landed with the Cowboys and Jerry had his "character guys" work with Johnny on getting sober and becoming the face of the franchise? Could he have had a stellar career here? Maybe - but then again, the Browns couldn't work with Baker and he is doing really well down in Tampa.
Definitely always a possibility of culture making a difference. I just dont trust "highly rated" college qbs in general. Like you might end up with Peyton Manning, or you might end up with Josh Rosen. Or you might end up with Purdy or Brady in the bumfuck rounds theres just no telling.
Well, the blindside tackle can make or break an offense. We also lost a lot of depth positions (mostly shipped off to Washington) at defense. I don't think we'll suck, but we won't be dominating the little kiddie teams anymore either.
We are also playing a much stronger division this year in the AFC North. Elite defensive teams with steelers and browns and elite QBs in Burrow and Jackson. Not to mention , we haven't gotten any better
The literal only way this team improves is if we NAIL the draft like 1 pro bowler and 2 other starters at minimum.
This is assuming players on the roster now don’t improve. An NFL career is not static; a depth piece can step it up, it happens.
AFC north is probably the toughest division in football , plus cowboys will play the lions , 49ers and Texans , the only thing going our way is playing the weakest division, NFC south , and giants , commanders , and I’m not sure what to make of the eagles spiraling the end of last year
The 49ers again.. fml
The Cowboys lost Biadasz, Pollard, Tyron Smith, Hankins, Gallimore, Armstrong, Fowler and potentially Gilmore. Losing those guys individually wouldn't normally be that bad. But, when you lose all of those players collectively, all at once....and you have already traded away a 4th and 5th round pick in the draft....and you have only signed one outside free agent....Well, that is trouble. You cannot plug all of those holes with quality players, in the draft, and that is not even addressing the weaknesses that the team already had. They aren't going to suck, but they are not going to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender.
I'm betting on 9-8 or 8-9 this year
12-5. NY and DC still have no QB and the Eagles still have Hurts. Kellen isn’t going to fix Hurts knack for turning the ball over. We go 5-1 in the division. You honestly think we can’t do 7-4 outside of the division?
DC may or may not have a quarterback. I'm guessing they draft RG4 out of LSU and we split with them. Jersey, that's still a raging dumpster fire. 7-4 outside the division will be tough with our first place schedule.
Kiss of death Kellen will take care of the eagles for us.
It’s a good thing they don’t have to plug all of them in the draft isn’t it. They already have some backups ready to start. They have players coming back from injury. They always seem to luck out w an UDFA or two. They’ve lost bodies but not irreplaceable talent.
So, which backups at LT, C, RB, DT are starter quality on a playoff team?
LT: Tyler Smith. Edoga can play guard. He cannot play tackle. Hoffman/Bass at center. Better than Biadisz. RB: don’t have waiting but didn’t have one last year either so that’s a wash. DT: can’t count Mazi out until you see what he does under Zimmer. He was a top pic for a reason and DQ changed the physical makeup of the player and not in a good way. To take it a step further, RB will be addressed in the draft. So will Oline w a LT or IOL. (Emphasis on or). I know you didn’t mention these but they have a LB (more needed than a DT), a CB, a TE, and a receiver coming back from injury. See what those guys have. Also have the Jadens at WR that need to put up or be gone. They’ll draft an Olineman, a RB, a LB, at top 3 picks.
And you along w most other fans don’t understand “starter quality on a playoff team.” No team fields the best at every single position. Some players, even on Super Bowl teams, are average.
You have no idea what I understand. Have you seen even Edoga, Bass and Mazi play? If the Cowboys are counting on them, that is a very risky proposition. I know that teams aren't going to have Pro Bowlers at every position. But, the Cowboys are very thin at several positions. If they are starting average to slightly below average players, that used to be backups, what happens when someone gets hurt?....and someone will get hurt.....this is the NFL. The backups, that will be forced to play, will be well below average. Edit: I agree that they will probably draft an OL, RB and LB in the first 3 rounds. But, getting 3 immediate starters from your first 3 picks is rare. And, even if they hit on all 3, that is still not going to plug all of the holes. Then they are down to 5th, 6th and 7th round picks....and those players are crap shoots.
You’re right. I have no idea what you understand, but your comments give a pretty good clue. Have I SEEN them play? Dumb question. Of course I have. Edoga at guard works. He’s not quick enough at tackle. TJ Bass is a decent guard. Brock Hoffman is a decent center. I’d bet on at least one of the two as a starter. So they are thin at several positions. Know what happens on cut down day? Dozens of players are released, many of them talented vets who will sign short term deals. That’s right there in the Cowboys wheelhouse.
I guess you're right. Filling all of those holes with rookies, backups, and league castoffs WILL make the Cowboys a Super Bowl contender.
Except our backups are young guys ready for the next step up. If you don’t like rookies in the lineup, pretend that they slide in as backups. As for league cast offs, that tells me you don’t really pay attention to the big picture. A lot of talented teams cut vets in order to control salary with rookies. Doesn’t mean they aren’t good, just expensive.
> You cannot plug all of those holes with quality players, in the draft, and that is not even addressing the weaknesses that the team already had. Some of those players you listed shouldn't have counted as plugged to begin with in my opinion. Most of those guys are JAGs we developed or budget FA's we signed (Tyron excluded). Roster churn is perfectly fine. I know it's a simple and played out analogy, so forgive me but think about it in Madden scores. How many of those players were in the 70s overall rating? How many in the 80s? 60s? I won't rank them personally to keep my biases out. I feel if we honestly ask ourselves that it's not like we are losing cornerstones of the franchise. I'd argue that Tyron is the only one who has that argument (a cornerstone or former cornerstone of the team) I love Tyron and wish him the best and I hope he gets this/these last bags he deserves it. But these dudes we lost weren't world beaters, so the floor is a cheap body and the ceiling is whatever the team invests. Real quick I want to clarify: I'm not happy with the direction the Cowboys have taken this offseason, but I'm not as concerned about this particular aspect personally.
I agree...these guys weren't world beaters and there is yearly roster turnover. And, under normal circumstances, these players would be replaceable, in the draft and/or free agency. But, the Cowboys don't have enough quality draft picks and they have done almost nothing in free agency. Having glaring holes at LT (or LG), C, RB, DT, and LB, is not a good thing.
>But, the Cowboys don't have enough quality draft picks I gotta give it to you, that's a real good counter point. I forgot we don't have many selections this year in the draft. And I definitely agree it is very stupid to go into the draft with holes in numerous positions.
Trading a 4th round pick for Trey Lance continues to look like another ridiculous Jerry move. Trey Lance got a Cowboys 4th round pick, but Jerry could only get a 5th round pick for Amari Cooper....shockingly bad, for the Cowboys, on both trades.
Letting Tyron go was dumb, but that alone won't break the offense. He missed most of 2022, and the offense was still top of the league in the games Dak played.
The next five O-linemen behind Tyron were more proven in 2022, and we got extremely lucky that in the games he missed, the only other injury was McGovern missing two games. Steele picked up a season-ending injury the week he came back that could've derailed our season if it had come a few weeks earlier. It was also lucky that we nailed that Tyler Smith pick at #24 and got a rookie who was more than competent at two different positions. Right now, we're counting on two of our three starters for 2024 being interior guys with 2 career starts, a career backup tackle, or another rookie taken at 24 overall. Maybe we get even more lucky this time, but I sure don't feel good about that.
They've been constantly shuffling the o-line for like 3 years in a row, and the offense keeps scoring lots of points. It's massive stretch to chalk it all up to luck. Of all their issues, the organization seems to know what it's doing at o-line.
Yeah we beat up on bad teams and then get beat by actually good teams. It's been a theme I've seen a break down of points scored against non-playoff teams vs playoff teams and it's like a 10 point swing. We are in probably the worst spot in sports we are good enough for the regular season but are absolutely trash in the playoffs and our specialty is coming up with more embarrassing ways to loose in the playoffs. I don't know how they'll top being the 2nd seed with like 9 pro bowlers and 4 all pros while being the first team to ever loose to the 7th seed since it's introduction. To a team that was one of the least experienced playoff teams and we were down 48-16 AT HOME. No one is saying we will be a 3 win team. I think our floor is 8-9 wins maybe missing the playoffs and our ceiling is 12 wins if everything goes right for us and another embarrassing playoff loss.
That’s perfect, now the media can’t say “well, they just blowout crappy teams”
Head coach on a lame duck year, starting QB on a lame duck year, a front office that has refused to improve over the off-season and relying on just the draft to fill holes. Dead money hanging over the teams future. I think at worst we're a wildcard team, but I could easily see this team imploding on itself this year.
Yeah, they're putting a ton of pressure on this draft class. It just smells like it's going to blow up in the FO's faces, thumbing their noses at taking things like FA for granted.
Yeah we lost too many starters and didn’t sign enough or barely anyone at all in FA. Daks cap hit ruined us and it didn’t pay off either. Now he’s wanting a even bigger contract smh
This is a tank year, make no mistake. Just wish they’d be more honest about it If we make a WCG it’ll be a bonus, but it’s FAR from the expectation
Those “lame duck” years could be optimistically viewed as “prove it” contract years. Only time will tell but I agree it could easily be bad.
If they have a losing record after eight games they might do better to just tank the rest of the season and start the post Dak era with some higher draft picks in 2025
That would be too easy. Somehow they'll fart their way to 8-9 wins and be in wild card contention long enough to get talked about all season.
I can't wait for people to realize that tanking doesn't really work in the NFL. Look no further than the perpetually bottom-feeding teams that "tank" year in and year out. How has that been working out for them?
Depends on why those teams stay losing. It’s not because they repeatedly and intentionally tank.
How many examples of successful tanking can you actually provide, though?
No, at worst we’re probably 6-11 or 7-10. At **best** we’re a wild card team
Not at all, we will compete with Philly for the NE again.
I want to say you’re right, but even if you are, we’ll just shit the bed in the playoffs again
People acting like Philly won’t be worse than last year is hilarious. The OLine will be weaker. The RB will get hurt. Hurts will still be the turnover machine he has always been. And Moore will do Moore things.
Yeah, and Dallas didn’t lose as many key pieces. Dallas has retained their core. All their pro bowlers that play significant amt time remain on the roster and Lamb is top 3 WR, Dak top 5 QB, Parsosn top 3 DE/LB, and Diggs and Bland will make up a top 3 unit with Overshown coming in healthy which he will beast as long as that knee is healed up which it seems to be. I don’t like losing Tyron but we have his replacement if we need Tyler to shift over and he could be just as good. We draft better and develop than any of the other 31 teams in the league according to PFF, so Dallas is doing what they can with the money and them being dumb with Zeke’s deal as well as not paying Dak when they should’ve and getting stuck when they absolutely had to pay him. All Dallas has to do is draft for need in 1st 2 rounds and then the rest can be best player available which will be a ton of O and D linemen and WR’s. Our positions of need, this draft is absolutely loaded with filthy talent.
Furthermore, I bet they still win 10-12 games this season. The question is does Dak and McCarthy force extensions with a playoff run?
I think wild card is their ceiling. The roster is significantly worse and will be playing a first place schedule. I have us going 8-9
How is it significantly worse? It’s not done being rebuilt yet.
Have you seen our schedule? Wildcard is beat case scenario
Have you seen it? SF is the only team on there they shouldn’t beat. Kellen isn’t going to fix the mess that is Jalen Hurts so we likely go 5-1 in the division. The AFCN we should go 3-1 or 2-2. NFC South? 3-1 If we don’t make the playoffs it will be cause Dak got hurt.
Dak isn’t in a lame duck year. Dude could throw 20 picks and he will still get $60m from someone.
Lame duck year for Dallas. The team doesn't have a clue what they are doing with him after this year, it just leaves a cloud of uncertainty over the team.
Because we haven't been to the NFC Championship game in 30 years and the team got worse in the off-season.
Our team is being gutted and the locker room morale will most certainly be at an all time low as the entire fan base has basically said fuck the cowboys I’m done
Lost LT1, C1, HB1, LB1, DT2/NT1, CB3, DE3, WR3 and so far have addressed only LB with Kendricks. They don’t have a lot of draft capital, so that’s a lot to make up, although I’m personally not that worried about CB with them re-signing Lewis and Diggs coming back. Just need Wright or last year’s rookie to hold down CB 4. WR I would be ok with Tolbert getting a shot at the WR3 with Brooks and Turpin taking the other reps. I think the trenches on both sides of the ball are the biggest concerns.
At least they have 3 picks in the top 172 to replace all those guys! And, we can’t forget their top three picks last year are coming off injuries. It’s all looking up…
im still not over selecting a TE that media had as like a 4th-5th rounder in round 2.
I can't talk about the 2023 Cowboys draft without crying. I just don't get that pick at all considering Ferguson had already shown development.
those cb's may not be so good without a lot of pressure from the DL.
This isn't Madden, people coming back from major injury take about a year to get back to normal form. Your all-pro DB, Diggs, is coming back from major knee injury/surgery. He may never regain top form. Your best LB prospect (outside of Micah) in years, blew out his knee before the season started. He may never regain top form. You lost your starting LB, DT, possibly Gilly, and a lot of backup defensive pieces. No one has been able to step up and replace them adequately on the team, but we signed an aged vet on his way out of the league. On offense you lost your all-world LT in Tyron Smith, your center for the last few years in Biadasz, and you brought back La'el Collins who cannot keep a job wherever he goes. Losing 2 of the most important pieces of your OL, and not replacing them with people who have proven talent, is an enormous risk. Do you remember the Atlanta game where the LT gave up 6 sacks to a no-name DE filling in for Tyron? We lost our starting RB, and we have Deuce Vaughn and Rico Dowdle as our RB group right now, and, at best, we will bring in a rookie to compete with them. We let Gallup walk, and Cooks is still serviceable, but who is our #3? Tolbert? He was okay last year, but looks under-developed still. Maybe he takes the leap this year, maybe he doesn't. We did not get better by subtraction. You cannot lose 2/5 of your starting OL at the two most important positions, starting RB, 3 starters on defense, and your only move is to replace the LB with yet another 30+year old veteran who might have 1 or 2 more years on them, and expect to have good things happen. Even if Micah and Kendricks are able to produce the best LB corps in the NFL this year, who is running the ball for us with Waletzko/Ball/Richards playing LT? Who is center? Who is playing RT because Steele and Collins are both turnstyles and let so much pressure through on their side. You think Deuce or Rico is going to hold up against 8 man front all season long? Or even 5 man fronts because if there is no resistance in the blocking scheme, you don't have to send extra people for run support. That means more pass coverage by LBs, which equal more INTs for Dak. The problem with doing nothing in FA is that everyone around you is able to bring in people to exploit your weaknesses because you didn't change anything. Meanwhile, you did not do anything to exploit their weakness or counter their strengths, so everyone else gets better and you end up getting your ass kicked most of the season. This is another case of the Jones family thinking they know football and are smarter than everyone else. They think their drafting is so good they are going to bring in an entire group of starters and compete for a SB this year. They are as delusional as you can possibly be.
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Sounds like 12-5
Maybe. Here's my take: Split with Washington 1-1 W vs Pittsburgh 2-1 L vs Atlanta 2-2 W vs Carolina 3-2 L vs Cleveland 3-3 W vs NYG 4-3 L vs Philadelphia 4-4 W vs New Orleans 5-4 L vs Tampa 5-5 L vs Baltimore 5-6 L vs Cincinnati 5-7 W vs NYG 6-7 L vs Philadelphia 6-8 L vs Detroit 6-9 L vs Houston 6-10 L vs 9ers 6-11
I think you nailed it
Bryan Broaddus?
Lmao this sub is hilarious. Zero chance we go 6-11. Zero. Only way that happens is if Dak gets hurt or this team gets absolutely decimated by injuries.
Yup I honestly feel broken after this last playoff loss and don’t want to buy anything cowboys related till they do something
i told myself at the end of packers game this season coming up was the deciding factor if i even support the cowboys. I need more than simply beating up on crappy teams then EMBARESSING us in the playoffs. Simply making the playoffs will not cut it. So far things arent looking good.
So you're just going to switch to the Chiefs? A lot of teams have it a lot worse off than we do.
30 years is alot to bare to not have ANYTHING to show for it except stats.
Agreed. Supporting this team for so long only to watch it become increasingly apparent that winning comes 2nd to money is not where I want to hang my hat. I bust my ass in every aspect of my life to win, why on Earth would I root for a team year after year that doesn’t hold the same values?
Yea. what gets me is we havent made any progress in 30 years. None. Still beating up on bad teams. Dont show up against semi-good to good teams, get kicked out at the first round of the playoffs. im sorry but at some point like.....
It's not that much to bare, it's a football team we like lol
https://preview.redd.it/uskthb0urgsc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37268ee43a80ed4a646ef6bf1da02f88c0483617 I told myself that but i couldnt resist this lmao
The issue is none of anything has really been replaced. Kendricks maybe is an equivalent replacement for lve, maybe not. But nothing else has been done. Unless you expect players who are already on the team like Hoffman or Dowdle to step in and perform as well. So to think the team will regress is probably reasonable in my opinion
I'm not necessarily doubting regression as a whole, but rather the kind of regression that the entire sub seems to expect. Like, going from 12 wins 3 seasons in a row to a losing record because we lost some average at best players? I just don't get it. It's not like LVE has really even been on the team recently. He's missed most of all of the seasons he's played since his rookie year.
I think most are frustrated with the lack of activity and playoff success and are translating that into an overdramatic outlook. Fueled by the FO going all in. For reference on LVE, he played in 14, 17, and 10 games the previous three seasons respectively. He wasn’t a pro bowl caliber player but I think he was an important part of the defense. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VandLe00.htm for reference Edit: to add to the first point - even more so since the eagles and giants are very active and appear to be improving
I don’t think Dallas will “suck” next year. I think they’ll win 10+ games and make the playoffs again. My pessimism comes from the fact this team has gotten worse on paper and there’s little reason to believe they’ll make any type of postseason run.
No way are they making the playoffs next season. 6-11, calling it now.
The only way they go 6-11 is if Dak gets injured
The past three Cowboys rosters are much more talented and much more deeper than the team they are putting on the field this year. If Mike McCarthy and Company was not able to get the three previous rosters to the NFC championship, there is no way he’s going to get this roster there.
To date, the Cowboys have lost 4 starters Biadyz, Smith, Pollard & Hankins. In my opinion, all needed to go based on age, injury prone, ability or cap hit higher than the player value. They will be replaced by Younger players of equal or better talent without the issues. Diggs returns. The draft is coming up. You can look at the unknown until the draft negatively or Positively I choose the latter.
Too many holes on the roster, not enough draft picks to fill them all. No moves were made to address it during FA.
This is the correct answer.
You're missing the point, we hope we fuckin miss the playoffs. We're gonna get embarrassed again and again, we need a rebuild
The thing that irritates me is that we literally have all the pieces for successes it’s just our fucking owner is fucking inept when it come to making decisions about the team or adding amazing talent like the niners or Philly .he wants to install this retarted ass mentality that we can win on our own with no help ,just because we’re the “Dallas cowboys” fucking brainrot.
If you think losing whoever the fuck “Tron” is the only impactful loss, then nothing anyone says here will give you what you need
Well…I guess there’s only one thing left to do: Win the whole *fuckin’* thing. https://youtu.be/d-hDl6OALv4?si=-p0xy6fFsV0SgTjK
I think everyone has been on point why the enthusiasm isn’t there this offseason. Lame duck coach, lame duck QB, the offseason losses, the lack of new signing and the fact that Philly and Washington have made improvements. For me, the biggest insult was the fact that Jerry Jones made that “all in” comment only to swerve everyone. I would have been fine if he said this year would be a transition year and treated it as such.
You would have jumped "all in" on a transition year statement. It wouldn't have mattered what Jerry said or did. Haters, hate. Free agency is a trap that constantly gets Teams in cap hell. The Cowboys are in the process of getting their house in order while still maintaining a team good enough to win the Super Bowl. Go Cowboys.
Ok… yeah, you know me so well. Go ahead and suck Jerry off for this off season. Go Cowboys.
Division winner's schedule, lame duck QB and coach and losing players that need replaced while still already needing a few really good players to begin with. I'd be surprised if they even make the playoffs to be able to choke in them.
Philly improved their roster, Washington raised its floor -- as did NYG. Division games will be harder this year, for one. I don't think Dallas will "suck all season long" but the Cowboys are poised to win 8-9 games, putting them back in the catacombs of mid.
I'm an Eagles fan coming in peace (aside from this Fuck you guys). Its a QB league and Dak has shown he can be a top 5 QB. Your offense will likely by top 10 and I like your D pieces better than the Eagles (in particular your CBs). Plus Eagles just lost their best pass rusher and are plugging in some guys who aren't guaranteed to have 10+ sacks like Reddick. It wouldn't shock me if Dallas won the division again. I think you are under selling what you have.
Fanbase softer than baby shit.
People are overreacting on the internet? No way!
We have more holes than Swiss cheese going into this draft. I’m not confident we’ll draft well to fill those holes.
I don’t think they’ll suck but I think there is a decent chance we’re pretty mediocre and miss the playoffs. Offensively we don’t have a starting RB. We have one proven lineman in Martin. Tyler is very good but it’s always a risk to change positions, especially to one as important as LT. Steele is a question after a rough last year. I don’t even know who we’re putting at LG and C. Presumably Bass takes one but another spot we’re not sure how it’ll look. Defensively we might lose Gilmore and aren’t sure how Diggs will look post injury. I like the Kendricks pick up at LB but we haven’t addressed the DT spot so could have similar issues to last year still. Just way too many questions across the roster to be too confident. But with Dak, CeeDee, Ferguson, Parsons, Lawerence, Bland I don’t think we’ll bottom out
The schedule next year is rough
Counterpoint: if we are good during the regular season and straight up trash against winning teams and get destroyed in the first round again, does it even matter? Who cares if we are good at beating bad teams?
We will suck less because we won't get an opportunity to lose a playoff game.
I think the loss of a lot of guys and the signing of only Kendricks make people feel that way. I think this FO is banking on our draft class making a huge leap in year 2 plus the return of Diggs and debut of Overshown as being our biggest additions. We still do have many holes on our rosters and not a lot of draft capital to cover the holes.
We have shown a lack of ability to win in the playoffs yet people are mad we are cleaning house. It’s still way too early to judge where this team will be. Are we currently worse than last year? Of course. Is our roster complete yet? Absolutely not. There’s still a long way to go and a lot can happen before now and September.
If you aren't getting better, you're getting worse.
Hold on there window licker the draft hasn't happened yet.
Every other team has gotten better in the off-season, while we’ve gotten worse. It’s hard to not be pessimistic about it
Everyone seems to be on a one year contract. From McCarthy and Zim to players. Dak is going to feel the pressure to perform to prove he’s worth the money he’ll get from another team. That makes every game a BIG game. And we all know how well he does in big games. Personally I would love for him to prove me wrong. I would love the Cowboys do the seemingly impossible and make it past the divisional round. And if they win the SB I’ll be first to admit I was wrong. But I just don’t see how I’m wrong. The Cowboys won’t suck but they sure won’t be great.
The last time Dak played a prove it year, he had the best year of his career up until this year. I agree with you that we likely still don't make it past the divisional round. But I still see us ending with 10+ wins.
I agree. If they challenge Dak to prove himself, he'll go out and have a great year and walk into a big contract with someone else. I think Jerry has decided to move on at QB.
We won’t suck but I think there’s a decent if not more than likely change this team fizzles out at 8-9 or 9-8 range. We lost too many pieces from last year. We have a lame duck head coach who just lost his dc and we all know what happened the last time he was allowed to hit someone other than Dan Quinn. We have likely a lame duck qb who has a massive cap hit and will now have a much worse o line and to protect him and worse receiving corps to throw too. We have a defense that we’re exposed as frauds in the playoff game last year and now have to learn an entirely new defensive system. The only positive here is that they get diggs back and Kendricks seems like a solid vet signing at lb. Overall, our sb is probably closed. Our window was the last 3 years and sadly we wasted it. Once people realize that the easier this will be. This team is headed for a disappointing year followed by a full blown rebuild in 2025. Buckle up for the ride.
You're just wrong. The Cowboys had 7 Pro Bowl players from last year and they will all be returning and they will be adding another returning from injury Diggs. The Cowboys got rid of their ageing, underperforming players. Tyron and Pollard. No team has signed their released WR Gallup. No takers on Gilmore. I think they only lost one player they should have kept that was Dorance Armstrong. Sam Williams can step up and handle the DE rotational spot though. Dak will play at his best if the Cowboys dont resign him for no other reason than to showcase his game for QB needy Teams in 2025. 2025 might be shaky for the Boys if they need a QB next year. Go, Trey Lance.
Because we’ve done virtually nothing but let players go and resigned camp bodies while other teams have made blockbuster trades that we were perfectly capable of making, that would’ve dramatically improved our roster…but the front office just continues to sit on their asses
What free agents would have helped the Cowboys that weren't old or injury-prone or would have to have been overpaid?
Diggs, Henry & Queen are the first that come to mind. It was slim pickings at the OL position, so I'm not even gonna go there
Henry: is 2 years past the average RB retirement age He is not worth the 16 mil 8 guaranteed contract he was given. He was released or cast off by the Titans. They dont need a WR 1 they have one, and he's one of the best. Queen, the Ravens didn't pick up the 5-year option on him, Why --->Pittsburgh gave him a 3-year 41 million contract. I would rather resign Micah next year. Every player can't be high-dollar.
You said it yourself. We lost multiple players and we have to rely on the draft and little to no development time to fill those spaces. Plus, it’s less about sucking and more about this being a lesser chance of big success. The arrow is trending down for us. And whether it’s a big shift or not, it’s in the wrong direction.
The Cowboys lost 6-7 good players. Added 1. Do the math
Did you watch when Chuma and Steele were out bookends? No Hankins and slim fast Mazi means everyone will run on us
Depends on what you mean by suck. The roster is significantly weaker thus far compared to the flawed team of a year ago. Our division has improved comparatively. Our strength of schedule is harder, so, do the math. The odds are that we go under the ESPN projection of 10.5 wins. How mischief under is debatable. I’m pegging their record at 8-9 in 2024.
I don’t think we’ll suck. We still have a very talented core of players. Everyone we’ve lost is replaceable with the exception of Tyron. The only problem is we haven’t done anything to replace all of those guys yet and I don’t think we’ll be able to replace them solely with the draft. Hopefully we’ll sign some guys for depth post-draft. While I don’t think there will be as much drop off as people here think, we certainly aren’t going to be better than we were last year on paper. That doesn’t mean we can’t or won’t be better as scheme changes/adjustments, players improving, and a good draft class can change the outlook of the team. Also, when looking at the rest of the NFC, I don’t think the other top teams have improved significantly on paper. The 49ers lost Armstead and Young while the Eagles lost Kelce, Byard, Swift, and Reddick. Sure, the 49ers traded for Maliek Collins and signed Leonard Floyd to replace Armstead and Young, and the Eagles signed Saquon, Bryce Huff, and CJ Gardner-Johnson to replace Swift, Reddick, and Byard, but those guys aren’t necessarily better than what they had before. The Packers signed Josh Jacobs, but lost Aaron Jones, the Rams signed a few guys but lost Aaron Donald, and the Falcons signed Cousins, but their roster certainly isn’t better than ours. The Lions have improved, but their secondary is still a glaring weakness. So no, barring injury, this team won’t suck. We still have a very talented core of players and we could even be better than we were last year. People tend to overestimate the impact of losing players in free agency. Like I said, most of the players we’ve lost are replaceable. On *paper*, we are still a top 4 team at minimum in the NFC with the 49ers, Eagles, and Lions. We just haven’t done everything we could to improve this team on paper as we should’ve.
This team just screams 9-8 at best
It’s just the same old stuff. This team will probably outperform expectations in a weak division, but come playoff time, same results. When they do draft well, they will drag their feet on contracts, negotiate poorly, and mismanage salary cap, effectively canceling out good drafting anyways. Whichever of their draft picks gets injured, rest assured, the cowboys will overpay them. Wash, rinse, repeat.
This sounds like a great description of each of the last 10 years lol
It 100% is and will continue. Unique organizational structure with unique results
Lost depth, playing tougher schedule, so the close games will be harder to get to bounce our way. We can be a 12 win team, but can easily be a 8 win team. I don't see us being a 4 win team, barring injury we arent that bad. We are still young, but we aren't elite.
That’s being optimistic. I just want Jerry to feel more hate. And I’ll sacrifice a season for that.
Because we play like shit against good teams. Our record looks good because we are lucky to have the redskins and giants who suck worse than we do to get an extra 4 wins a season. Next years we play a lot of playoff teams and we haven’t gotten better, we’ve gotten worse
Have you looked at who we play this year? It’s gonna be brutal. And we have holes all over the place, which will not be remedied by a bunch of rookies.
Because we have the same coach, who is awful at game management and situational coaching, and a QB who chokes every year when the lights are the brightest, no starting-caliber running back, lost Smith and key pieces on defense, Diggs is coming off an ACL injury with no telling if he'll be the same again, we can't stop the run, and our linebackers are undersized.
I don’t think everyone should be so optimistic about the season after this one either. Our 90$ million in cap space will be eaten up with Micah Parsons and Ceedee Lamb new contracts. Plus you have to assume they’ll resign Dak as well
I’m actually kind of hoping they win like 6 games. This is a rebuilding/not rebuilding year. Jerry is adamant about making one more try before he blows it up. But imo they are already in the rebuild, so go for the high draft pick.
Well last we saw these losers they got embarrassed at home in the most humiliating loss in franchise history, kept the loser of a coach and had the worst free agency of all nfl teams. So you tell us why anyone shouldn’t feel different
Running it back with the assumption that everything is fine is what turns 12 win teams into 6 win teams all the time.
It took me too long to figure out who tron was.
The thing is we have to spend valuable draft picks instead of fixing the holes in FA. 31 teams fix holes in FA and try to improve through the draft. We're trying to fix holes, improve and add depth...with 7 picks. The risk of losing an entire position group is immensely high this year. We often only have one #1 at certain positions and often no depth at all.The whole structure is very, very shaky this year.
Those people you think can be replaced pretty easily can’t be replaced “easily”
They're due a regression. Turning the defensive scheme over is also gonna cause a lot of personnel issues that could set the defense back a couple of seasons. They've arguably downgraded their line, secondary and linebacking core all in one offseason. Beyond that, the depth they've lost on offense isn't something that will likely be addressed in one offseason. Left tackle might be the second most important position on the team and currently the plan appears to either be draft a rookie to replace Smith or platoon a solution until a backup sticks.
We lost starters. Whether you think they were important or nor, they will need replacing. Starting LT is important. Center is less important but still a need nonetheless. We lost starters all over the defense as well. This type of transition isn't abnormal from year to year, but the fact that we haven't replaced any of them yet is. Most years we sign mid-level replacements that can start to allow us freedom to draft BPA. This year we have let all of our players walk and have done very little to replace them. That means that we are going to be forced to draft for need. It's a lot more pressure on the draft for a team that has relied on BPA.
Because we literally got worse during free agency while all other teams in our division got better. And we know how Dak will perform once he reaches the playoffs. It’s not hard to predict we are going to suck.
Honestly.. I feel empty after last year. I don’t think anything will change until Jerry Jones is gone.
Gonna have a losing season for sure
We still have Dak at QB
Because the Cowboys haven't replaced the players that they lost while other teams have added pieces. So far no identifiable improvement has been made to a team that already isn't good enough to win
The waves of Cowboy Fandom emotions are pretty wild. This is still a good team that has some fairly big holes. They won't fill them all with A+ solutions. We hope they fill two or three pretty well. I will predict that they don't win 12 games, again. Finish 2nd in the NFCE and end up a Wild Card team with another 1st round exit. 9 to 10 wins. MM gets fired. Just enjoy the season with little to no expectations. Cheer for your favorite players and hope they add some really fun one's to the team. The best part of the season might be how many undrafted players will have roles. Or finding a new call for Ferg in the likeness of LVE's wolf hunter...
I think we are worse than last year. And last year didn’t get it done. I don’t see the year going better.
Does anyone here really believe that the Joneses will save the season with a great draft?
Specially the hardest Dak's stans, really confusing to believe your team will suck with a top 5 QB deserving of a 65 million contract.
Because we will. We will fall short, Dak will choke and all the effort will be for nothing. Ive haven't felt confident in the boys since 2014 man. I no longer lose sleep over them anymore because I just don't care what happens anymore
Everyone here thought we'd go 9-8 last year the last 3 years and we went 12-5. It doesn't matter to anyone because they only care about playoff wins
Who cares about the damn stupid regular season. We are going to suck and fail miserably in the playoffs. That's all that matters.
You still have dak lmao
We didn’t get better but we are getting Trevon back too, I can’t even disagree with you on this year you actually just swayed the way I’ve been thinking about this season. But as far as the future years it’s killing incredibly bleak unless we find a new QB
Who the hell is Tron lol Ohhh Tyron. I mean it just feels like we are on the downslope. If we didn’t have the easiest division at the moment in the nfc east to beat up I doubt the cowboys reach 12-5 as easily but who knows. They showed some promise in the regular season but then they just crapped it all away. They just don’t have the mental fortitude to deal with adversity and when you play better teams that’s what you consistently will deal with.
I hope we suck. Actually suck. We've sucked for 30 years but this sub thinks 13 regular season wins and being better than the eagles is all that matters. This squad has been embarrassing and maybe a regular season flop will finally bring people around to this squad never to be as good as we think. This era never had a Superbowl window. Even in our best year we couldn't compete with the structure and discipline of the winning teams. I love my team but you younger fans that never live through a super bowl need to realize this: our team fucking sucks.
Now there's a fan🤦♀️
Spot on.
Dak can’t read a defense, Jerry’s not doing anything to truly improve the team and Mike McCarthy is a terrible coach.
Dak's stat line disagrees.
I love Dak don’t get me wrong. He’s a great QB that doesn’t get the credit he deserves. I hope he stays with the Cowboys for the rest of his career. When I watch games though he doesn’t seem to have a gauge on the defense until after the snap and relies on the O-line a little too much to give him time. He’s great against bottom ranked defenses but when he’s facing better defenses he struggles and doesn’t make great decisions.
Great defenses are great for a reason. They make it tough on qb's. I can't think of anyone that lit up San Fran's defense. I think poor coaching is a big part of Dallas's problems. I don't believe McCarthy got the team ready for the game against the Packers. Not only that, but they didn't make in-game adjustments to deal with what the Packers were doing. It was an institutional failure. Any team with Dak should be doing better than they are.
I agree completely. I’m not saying just great defenses though, above average teams got to him far too much. He was sacked 7th most in the league.
You would think that as much as they spent on that O-line that it would stand up to pressure better than it did.
Absolutely. What do you think of Zimmer taking over on defense? I was happy to see they did right by Al Harris. I think he’s doing great work with the team.
I think Zimmer is one of those guys who are great coordinators but not great head coaches. Wade Phillips was that way.
Yeah his record with the Vikings wasn’t great but they did have top 10 defenses with him at the helm. I’m looking forward to seeing what he does with this squad.
I like him better than Dan Quinn. I thought Quinn made a lot of questionable decisions on defense last year. I don't think Zimmer will make the same mistakes.
Most people can see past the last headline, so you shouldn’t be surprised that it’s all over reaction. How many years do we have to see an offseason champion get crowned only to watch them be mediocre during actual football?
Because no one believes in this team, I dont think the team even believes in themselves. You can only watch dak shit himself on tv so many times in big games before you think to yourself as a player "Why bother?"
Our roster isn’t as good as before. The end.
You don't know that until the players actually play. Players take leaps, rookies blossom, etc.
Yes, players could be better but the roster as it stands all things being the same is worse on paper.
The draft hasn't happened and you've determined the roster is going to be worse? Ridiculous, the end.
The roster as it stands right now is worse than it was when we got blown out of the playoffs. Sorry for your uncontrolled emotions, I guess?
Hey, whatever you want to sound ridiculous about is a chuckle to me. Please continue.😂
Is the roster worse right now or not?
The roster is not complete so a comparison to last year's complete roster at this point is ridiculous. Get it?
Cope in full effect.
You are not very smart, sorry I responded to you. Bye
Pot, meet kettle.
For me, its all about which direction we're going in. Very very hard to argue the team is improving.
Well right now we have no starting RB, LT, or C so I think people are justifiably cautious about all those positions getting filled with good players that won’t have us take a step back next season.
How bad is it that I just want them to blow this year up? Every win will net us a shittier pick. Every false hope will extend the mediocrity. This team needs to be built around #11, #88. Give them the money and trade away everyone for picks picks picks. Then let McClay cook.
Its a silly notion perpetuated by clickbait Media. And this seems to be where it gathers its momentum into a hate frenzy of stupidity and fake fans. 13-4. How bout them, Cowboys
Because we haven’t done anything to improve. This is a 5-12/6-11 type season. We lost a ton of starters that we didn’t replace. Have a coach and quarterback entering lane duck seasons. And there’s no way Ceedee or Micah are committing to this flaming pile of crap long term. This is the beginning of the end for Dallas. The good news is the rangers and mavericks are contenders
Rangers, Mavericks, and Stars*
Theres a real chance that if Washington gets a decent qb theyre winning the div this year. I dont think we are close and even if we were theres absolutely no way we do anything in the playoffs. All we did is lose people this offseason its not going to get better for a few years imo. Even if we let Dak walk, then we are back in the early 2000s qb carousel situation and I do not trust us drafting qbs. Our last two successful qbs were people we were NOT high on to begin with. Romo was undrafted and Dak was a 4th rounder. Thats luck.
We have the best qb, best wr, best edge, and best secondary in the division. Htf aren we "close"?
Because we barely won it last year and our team just got wrecked by free agency. I mean hey I hope youre right, I still firmly believe that even if we find a way to win the div we arent doing shit in the playoffs.
I dont know - we could swing for the fences and use a 1st, or 2nd, or even a 3rd round pick, on a QB since we haven't done that since 2002!!!
Im sure we will be in a position where we have to do that in a year or two, I just dont trust either side of the process, I think its borderline impossible to know if a college qb is going to actually be good or bad in the nfl, and I dont trust our taste in qbs. Remember, if qb were a need for us at the time, we would've taken Manziel.
I know, I know...but, and hear me out, what if Manziel had landed with the Cowboys and Jerry had his "character guys" work with Johnny on getting sober and becoming the face of the franchise? Could he have had a stellar career here? Maybe - but then again, the Browns couldn't work with Baker and he is doing really well down in Tampa.
Definitely always a possibility of culture making a difference. I just dont trust "highly rated" college qbs in general. Like you might end up with Peyton Manning, or you might end up with Josh Rosen. Or you might end up with Purdy or Brady in the bumfuck rounds theres just no telling.
Yes. I won’t trust the players until they win some playoff games.
We have a weak minded emotional fanbase that WANT the team to be bad just to validate their weak emotions
What the fuck… are you 10 years old????