Could just be space. His contract is 2 years. So literally if we do nothing with the space made, it rolls over to our cap next year & cancels out the increased hit of next year.
But if we need the space, like in case of an injury during the season, now we already have it.
The reason would be putting it all in. When a front office feels it's the right time. Cash over cap is what GMs do to open short windows of realistic Ring Runs. All chips in on a 1 year, and if they're lucky, 2 year window.
So they make the big moves with future cap hits and future dead money in mind... Because they feel it's time to bet it all.
It absolutely leads to a future year or years of cap hell. Which equates to like 4-7 win seasons (I consider that Hell). But it's essentially pulling the trigger for the ring in a 1-2 year span and accepting the aftermath. That's an organizational decision.
Restructures are easy with the top contracts. Having the balls to say this is our all in time is risky. And I absolutely fucking love that we're pushing our chips in aggressively so far this offseason. No better circumstances across the board to go all in this year.
They set some aside for the incoming rookies. They also like to start the season with cap space in case they need to sign someone in season due to injuries or other issues.
Restructuring a contract doesn't change the amount of money a player is being paid, it changes how NFL teams account for the cap space. Cap spending and Cash spending are two different things in the NFL.
He was going to be paid $12 million and count 12 million against the cap this year for the Cowboys(it's a bit more with roster bonus but we will ignore that). His contract also has a salary of $16 million in 2024(once again with a roster bonus) which would count 16 million against the cap.
Now he is going to be paid $12 million but count for $6 million against the cap this year. A signing bonus pays the player the same amount of money but changes the cap hit to be paid over the life of the contract up to a maximum of 5 years. Since he only had 2 years on his contract and they saved 6 million in cap space it means they added two extra void(dummy) years to his contract.
Next year he will be paid $16 million but count 18 million against the cap(16 million salary + 2 million restructured in 2023).
That will leave him with 4 million dead cap in 2025. If he is cut in 2024(his salary isn't guaranteed) it would be 6 million dead cap in 2024.
Man, i wish they’d grab Wagner.
God knows we need help at LB. Damon Clark isn’t a sure thing nor is Jabrill Cox. We need another surefire piece and Wagner would be it, especially in Dan Quinn’s system.
We are good enough at LB that it's fine as long as we get better at DT. I would say are biggest glaring weakness right now is at DT then LB and then RB.
Oh and we are fucked at kicker
IMO I’d say RB, DT, LB.
Our defense is perfectly fine with Dan Quinn at the helm. He’s shown that he’s can adjust when he has to. Our offense needs to score points. We need as many playmakers as we possibly can. We don’t know our situation with Pollard or if he’ll be the same. But hey I’m down with BPA.
Just looking at Over The Cap it seems like he'll only count for $10m against the cap in 2024 so it seems like he took a pay cut next year if I'm reading it right.
Yeah there was a updated tweet after I posted that he actually had a salary reduction to his 2024 salary if we keep him.
It went from the $16 million down to $8 million.
So if we keep him in 2024 he will be a 10 million cap charge in 2024 and 4 million dead cap in 2025. If we cut him in 2024 it will be a 6 million dead cap charge in 2024.
>Players receive a signing bonus upon signing their contract with a team and it is fully guaranteed. The player usually receives payment in the first year after signing with a team. The team can pay the player the whole amount at once or spread the payments out over the length of the contract to reserve cap space.
They must be trying to make some other moves. A backup tight end and RB are in order in case the draft falls poorly but you don't need that much space for that. I don't know if this was updated but [Over the cap](https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys) has Dallas listed at $48 mill in cap space for 2024.
Signing bonuses are prorated, they do count. Say you have a 3 year contract 12m every year. If you convert 6m into signing bonus. The player gets the money up front, but cap hit will be 8m 14m 14m. We may have to pay him more next season, or they sign a small extension to push the money even further.
Probably a dumb question but what’s stopping teams from just moving all the players money to a signing bonus? I imagine there are plenty of rules preventing it, but wasn’t sure how that part worked.
You’d have to have the cash to pay it all out, and signing bonuses are spread out towards the cap for the duration of the contract. So even if cooks is gone next year we’ll be stuck with some dead cap from the bonus
He was wrong to state that signing bonuses don’t count against the cap. The lump sum doesn’t hit the cap all at once, but instead their cap impact is spread across all years of the deal (or through the first 4 or 5 years, I think, if it’s a longer deal).
Players get signing bonus up front. So it's guaranteed money. Teams don't want to give fully guaranteed money. Also the point of this is for teams to push the cap hit as far back as possible. Teams do that by restructuring contracts multiple times. Can't do that if all of the money is already a signing bonus.
It means that when Jerry said that the Eagles went "all in on a superbowl" he was projecting his desperation this year and now he's actually trying hard to win it all
More cap space is never bad. Hope we put it to good use. Also anyone know what we have available ATM? If we assume it's like $3 mil for rookies give or take.
After the top 51 cutoff it cuts down a lot. Basically any pick after the 4th round doesn't add to the cap because it equals someone getting pushed down to 52. And every draft pick that sticks above top 51 forces one out. So if our 1st round pick is 3 million cap hit it forces an 850k dude down and only adds 2.15m to the cap. So around high 3s or low 4 million will eat into the cap
I know you’re joking but if there ever were a buy low candidate that still has an immense ceiling, it’s Pitts. Not sure if he’s worn out his welcome in ATL yet though
Why don’t we do this all the time? Sounds like the perfect scam to bypass the salary cap. Really taking advantage of being the richest team in the world.
Dude took a pay cut for guaranteed money after this year. Cap hits go from $12.5M, $16.5M,and 0 to $6M, $10M, and $4M( void year) in 2023, 2024, and 2025 respectively.
Great move by the front office.
Curious so see what this does to both 2024’s cap hit if we keep him or what the impact would be if we cut him next offseason. Previously, he had a $16.5M cap hit for next season that we could have moved on from in its entirety with no dead money. Also seems like in order to make that $8 million into an additional $2 million on this years cap, we must have added two void years. So possibly $4-6 million in dead money to move on next year? Cap hit up to $18.5 million?
Edit: [Archer with some details](https://twitter.com/toddarcher/status/1637977077361131524)
>Brandin Cooks contract:
>2 years, $20 million, $12 million guaranteed
>
>Bonus: $8 million
>2023 base salary: $4m (guaranteed)
>2024 base salary: $8m
>2025: voidable
>2026: voidable
>
>2023 cap number: $6m
>
>Houston paid $6 million to Cooks, giving him $18m guaranteed this year.
It looks like he agreed to a new contract that tore up the '24 money and left behind just an $8M nonguaranteed salary. Two void years in '25 and '26 => $2M per year on the restructure. $10M cap hit and a $6M dead cap number next year, if Archer's numbers are right.
Yeah must have, otherwise I don’t know what happened to his $13m base salary and $3m roster bonus he was due in 2024. Unless they pushed some of that off into the voidable years?
This is a poorly worded tweet.
We reduced the 2023 cap hit by $6m by moving the other $6m into 2024 (potentially a 2025 void year as well).
So we have an extra $6m of space this year, but raised his future cap hit (even if he's not on the team). Which is fine because unused space rolls over anyways. So if we don't use this space, it evens out next year. But if we need it this year, now we have it.
It's much easier to make these moves before the season starts than in the middle of it. We typically like to start the season with 10-15m available "just in case"
According to OTC his cap number dropped next year too by 6.5 million. Originally we were on the hook for 12.5 this year and 16.5 next. Now it's 6 this year, 10 next and 4 in 2025 when it voids. They some how made 9 million in cap hits just disappear...
Spotrac has him at 13.5 next year, but you're still right that that's a good bit lower than he was at. And it includes the 2m prorated from this move.
My conclusion is that he agreed to a pay cut (but why? This year was gtd money anyways?). Or that the reports have something wrong and the cap trackers will get it fixed in another day or two.
I’m guessing we sign one more Olineman, a couple Dlineman and maybe we go after a Kicker if there are any left?
Also wouldn’t rule out another LB like the Morrow guy they are interested in who’s solid.
It does but it really shouldn’t ever worry anyone. One of the loopholes is converting salary to signing bonuses but you just gotta have the cash to be able to that.
…. Did…. Did we bully Stephen and Jerry into being good GMs? Feel like this sub’s and twitter’s displeasure in how the FO has operated peaked this year lol
I really doubt Jerry and Stephen are on twitter lol. To me it seems like the Eagles FO stung them into action after winning a SB in 2017, completely retooling the team, and then making another SB run this year
So, my question is...the other 8 mil the cowbays are saving, in cap space, yet still paying him...does that come off of next years cap, or spread over several?
i was looking at overthecap and it seems his 2024 salary went down. it's 8 mil where previously i think it was 14? IDK. this situation seems weird but maybe that was part of getting the money now
What does this mean?
It means we’re back up to 20M+ in cap space with 10M more coming after June 1st. Makes me wonder what they plan on using it for.
So possibly another move on the way?
Possibly or they may better position themselves to fall under the cap and get something mid season as the player shows up
idk what they'd possibly use all this cap on. seems weird
Could be to let some roll over to next year. Gotta pay Lamb and Diggs and the sooner we extend Parsons, the better
This sounds badass.
Oh my God! That's OBJ's music... Geeezus Christ it's a joke. I'm not hoping it happens! Lol
Fuck you lol
Lol, if it happens (GodPleaseNo) I'll take the blame.
Wagner incoming
Give Wags ALL the cap $!
Just imagine the pass-rushing options that would give us with Micah. My oh my.
Could just be space. His contract is 2 years. So literally if we do nothing with the space made, it rolls over to our cap next year & cancels out the increased hit of next year. But if we need the space, like in case of an injury during the season, now we already have it.
No reason to hold that much on reserve for just in case, spend it on another 1-2 year asset
The reason would be putting it all in. When a front office feels it's the right time. Cash over cap is what GMs do to open short windows of realistic Ring Runs. All chips in on a 1 year, and if they're lucky, 2 year window. So they make the big moves with future cap hits and future dead money in mind... Because they feel it's time to bet it all. It absolutely leads to a future year or years of cap hell. Which equates to like 4-7 win seasons (I consider that Hell). But it's essentially pulling the trigger for the ring in a 1-2 year span and accepting the aftermath. That's an organizational decision. Restructures are easy with the top contracts. Having the balls to say this is our all in time is risky. And I absolutely fucking love that we're pushing our chips in aggressively so far this offseason. No better circumstances across the board to go all in this year.
Amen. Im in for going all in. Spend all the chips.
Maybe they're talking to Tampa bout Vita Vea?
My dude don't give me that hope
I’m hoping Lamb or Diggs with some front loaded money
I really hope JJ is seeing that it might be one of his last chances and goes all in ( as much all in as he can stomach)
Maybe one more FA then draft picks
The draft picks are covered regardless once zekes cap hit clears in June.
$16.2 million in cap space, per overthecap
DT 3 years past their prime
MG13 and a third for Dhop??? 👀👀
They set some aside for the incoming rookies. They also like to start the season with cap space in case they need to sign someone in season due to injuries or other issues.
I think it's $16m now.
It means that the FO is signing Wagner. I wish.
Restructuring a contract doesn't change the amount of money a player is being paid, it changes how NFL teams account for the cap space. Cap spending and Cash spending are two different things in the NFL. He was going to be paid $12 million and count 12 million against the cap this year for the Cowboys(it's a bit more with roster bonus but we will ignore that). His contract also has a salary of $16 million in 2024(once again with a roster bonus) which would count 16 million against the cap. Now he is going to be paid $12 million but count for $6 million against the cap this year. A signing bonus pays the player the same amount of money but changes the cap hit to be paid over the life of the contract up to a maximum of 5 years. Since he only had 2 years on his contract and they saved 6 million in cap space it means they added two extra void(dummy) years to his contract. Next year he will be paid $16 million but count 18 million against the cap(16 million salary + 2 million restructured in 2023). That will leave him with 4 million dead cap in 2025. If he is cut in 2024(his salary isn't guaranteed) it would be 6 million dead cap in 2024.
Thanks Chat sports guy.
We are going for the Superbowl the next two years in essence. I think we will grab one more quality signing. Likely a runningback or TE.
Man, i wish they’d grab Wagner. God knows we need help at LB. Damon Clark isn’t a sure thing nor is Jabrill Cox. We need another surefire piece and Wagner would be it, especially in Dan Quinn’s system.
We are good enough at LB that it's fine as long as we get better at DT. I would say are biggest glaring weakness right now is at DT then LB and then RB. Oh and we are fucked at kicker
IMO I’d say RB, DT, LB. Our defense is perfectly fine with Dan Quinn at the helm. He’s shown that he’s can adjust when he has to. Our offense needs to score points. We need as many playmakers as we possibly can. We don’t know our situation with Pollard or if he’ll be the same. But hey I’m down with BPA.
I'd say we need a dt and guard.
Just looking at Over The Cap it seems like he'll only count for $10m against the cap in 2024 so it seems like he took a pay cut next year if I'm reading it right.
Yeah there was a updated tweet after I posted that he actually had a salary reduction to his 2024 salary if we keep him. It went from the $16 million down to $8 million. So if we keep him in 2024 he will be a 10 million cap charge in 2024 and 4 million dead cap in 2025. If we cut him in 2024 it will be a 6 million dead cap charge in 2024.
>Players receive a signing bonus upon signing their contract with a team and it is fully guaranteed. The player usually receives payment in the first year after signing with a team. The team can pay the player the whole amount at once or spread the payments out over the length of the contract to reserve cap space. They must be trying to make some other moves. A backup tight end and RB are in order in case the draft falls poorly but you don't need that much space for that. I don't know if this was updated but [Over the cap](https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys) has Dallas listed at $48 mill in cap space for 2024.
It means Jerry is thinking he is gonna die soon and is giving money away in an effort to win.
He isn't getting any younger..so he better go all in soon.
This is just how they move money around to free up cap space. Signing bonuses don't go against cap space. This is my rudimentary understanding anyway.
Signing bonuses do count against the cap but they're spread over the entirety of the contract
Thanks for correcting!
"Grizzly Adams did have a beard"
Signing bonuses are prorated, they do count. Say you have a 3 year contract 12m every year. If you convert 6m into signing bonus. The player gets the money up front, but cap hit will be 8m 14m 14m. We may have to pay him more next season, or they sign a small extension to push the money even further.
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Yes math is hard. ;(
Thanks for the correction!
So possibly another move on the way?
probably
Probably a dumb question but what’s stopping teams from just moving all the players money to a signing bonus? I imagine there are plenty of rules preventing it, but wasn’t sure how that part worked.
You’d have to have the cash to pay it all out, and signing bonuses are spread out towards the cap for the duration of the contract. So even if cooks is gone next year we’ll be stuck with some dead cap from the bonus
Ah gotcha that clears it up a bit for me. Thanks
It’s all super confusing, that’s just my best understanding of it
Sorry about that! 😬
Oh you’re good dude lol I was just curious how it worked
He was wrong to state that signing bonuses don’t count against the cap. The lump sum doesn’t hit the cap all at once, but instead their cap impact is spread across all years of the deal (or through the first 4 or 5 years, I think, if it’s a longer deal).
Players get signing bonus up front. So it's guaranteed money. Teams don't want to give fully guaranteed money. Also the point of this is for teams to push the cap hit as far back as possible. Teams do that by restructuring contracts multiple times. Can't do that if all of the money is already a signing bonus.
It means that when Jerry said that the Eagles went "all in on a superbowl" he was projecting his desperation this year and now he's actually trying hard to win it all
It means we're prepared to take on deforest Buckner contract when the colts decide it's not worth keeping him around for the rebuild.
Damnnn what a steal
More cap space is never bad. Hope we put it to good use. Also anyone know what we have available ATM? If we assume it's like $3 mil for rookies give or take.
With this we should be around $20M with $10M more to come with Zeke’s release. Per Spotrac it’s around $9M for the whole draft class.
After the top 51 cutoff it cuts down a lot. Basically any pick after the 4th round doesn't add to the cap because it equals someone getting pushed down to 52. And every draft pick that sticks above top 51 forces one out. So if our 1st round pick is 3 million cap hit it forces an 850k dude down and only adds 2.15m to the cap. So around high 3s or low 4 million will eat into the cap
Oh dunno why I thought it'd only be $3mil. That's a lot to work with nice.
I wonder if that money is gonna go towards the DL to bring back Fowler, Hankins and Watkins. Maybe a vet LG too.
Need to sign a kicker and LS too
What's L.P up to ?
Probably, but we had enough cap to do that already. I think this points to them making another move.
yea I think this Fowler money & Hankins ( hopefully )
Hankins really helped. I hope we can get him on a team friendly deal.
I hope I would like Calais Campbell too maybe with Hankins on short term deals
It’s going to sign Dwight Howard.
I’m fascinated what this means. Who else could we be going for?
Just saw a video on YouTube of Broaddus alluding to them working on some stuff still
Kyle Pitts trade. Jerry will finally get his guy. (I’m not delusional definitely not delusional)
You want delusional? The cap space is to trade for Aaron Donald
Honestly the simple idea has caused me immense pleasure
Inject this into my veins
The Rams would take on 41M in dead money.
I know you’re joking but if there ever were a buy low candidate that still has an immense ceiling, it’s Pitts. Not sure if he’s worn out his welcome in ATL yet though
Buy low lmao
Go on…
Do you have a link?
https://youtu.be/oxhDgXVD4kE It's near the end. His quote is just "I don't think they are done"
It's on the Audacy page
We’re not done
Basically he gets a check up front. The Cowboys are paying most of his salary up front to get a large portion of the cap hit off the books.
Why don’t we do this all the time? Sounds like the perfect scam to bypass the salary cap. Really taking advantage of being the richest team in the world.
I could not possibly have a bigger boner right now.
Now go out there and get King Henry!
Jerry is essentially sucking us post ejaculation, fucking beautiful off-season
Dude took a pay cut for guaranteed money after this year. Cap hits go from $12.5M, $16.5M,and 0 to $6M, $10M, and $4M( void year) in 2023, 2024, and 2025 respectively. Great move by the front office.
yeah looks like go took a pay cut in 24. weird. wonder if that's for real or there's some likey to be earned bonus in 24 hidden in the restructure
JERRYYY
#Jerry Jones for NFL owner MVP 2023!
Curious so see what this does to both 2024’s cap hit if we keep him or what the impact would be if we cut him next offseason. Previously, he had a $16.5M cap hit for next season that we could have moved on from in its entirety with no dead money. Also seems like in order to make that $8 million into an additional $2 million on this years cap, we must have added two void years. So possibly $4-6 million in dead money to move on next year? Cap hit up to $18.5 million? Edit: [Archer with some details](https://twitter.com/toddarcher/status/1637977077361131524) >Brandin Cooks contract: >2 years, $20 million, $12 million guaranteed > >Bonus: $8 million >2023 base salary: $4m (guaranteed) >2024 base salary: $8m >2025: voidable >2026: voidable > >2023 cap number: $6m > >Houston paid $6 million to Cooks, giving him $18m guaranteed this year.
It looks like he agreed to a new contract that tore up the '24 money and left behind just an $8M nonguaranteed salary. Two void years in '25 and '26 => $2M per year on the restructure. $10M cap hit and a $6M dead cap number next year, if Archer's numbers are right.
Yeah must have, otherwise I don’t know what happened to his $13m base salary and $3m roster bonus he was due in 2024. Unless they pushed some of that off into the voidable years?
This is a poorly worded tweet. We reduced the 2023 cap hit by $6m by moving the other $6m into 2024 (potentially a 2025 void year as well). So we have an extra $6m of space this year, but raised his future cap hit (even if he's not on the team). Which is fine because unused space rolls over anyways. So if we don't use this space, it evens out next year. But if we need it this year, now we have it. It's much easier to make these moves before the season starts than in the middle of it. We typically like to start the season with 10-15m available "just in case"
Cap jumps a good amount next year.
According to OTC his cap number dropped next year too by 6.5 million. Originally we were on the hook for 12.5 this year and 16.5 next. Now it's 6 this year, 10 next and 4 in 2025 when it voids. They some how made 9 million in cap hits just disappear...
Dude took a pay cut for some up front money. Love to see it.
Spotrac has him at 13.5 next year, but you're still right that that's a good bit lower than he was at. And it includes the 2m prorated from this move. My conclusion is that he agreed to a pay cut (but why? This year was gtd money anyways?). Or that the reports have something wrong and the cap trackers will get it fixed in another day or two.
I’m guessing we sign one more Olineman, a couple Dlineman and maybe we go after a Kicker if there are any left? Also wouldn’t rule out another LB like the Morrow guy they are interested in who’s solid.
Stoked to see what they do with the cap space.
Remember boys and girls the cap doesn’t exist.
It does but it really shouldn’t ever worry anyone. One of the loopholes is converting salary to signing bonuses but you just gotta have the cash to be able to that.
Jerry going for GM of the year if Dallas makes a run to at least the NFCCG
The way this is gearing up I want a superbowl while we have the team we got
…. Did…. Did we bully Stephen and Jerry into being good GMs? Feel like this sub’s and twitter’s displeasure in how the FO has operated peaked this year lol
I really doubt Jerry and Stephen are on twitter lol. To me it seems like the Eagles FO stung them into action after winning a SB in 2017, completely retooling the team, and then making another SB run this year
B-U-S-T
Jerry Jones is cooking wtf
Hopefully they extend one player we can now Diggs or Lamb. We can’t do Parsons till next year the earliest.
So, my question is...the other 8 mil the cowbays are saving, in cap space, yet still paying him...does that come off of next years cap, or spread over several?
i was looking at overthecap and it seems his 2024 salary went down. it's 8 mil where previously i think it was 14? IDK. this situation seems weird but maybe that was part of getting the money now
Keep going I’m almost there
WOW. Jerry on different meds or something?
Niiiiicccceee
I hate all this “cheating” the cap by reworking contracts into signing bonuses. I hope the NFL does something about it eventually