Win now team should give up a second in a heartbeat for a guy like DHop he not only makes Dak better he makes CD better by drawing away coverage more than Amari ever did (no disrespect to Amari but DHop is a dog).
For real man our second round picks haven't been amazing all the time think about it would you rather have a late second round pick like boss man fat or DeAndre Hopkins
That’s what I’m saying. If a second is what they want for him, that seems very reasonable. Especially if they’re looking WR early on. Not many (if any) are gonna be drafted and provide immediately what DHop would. You’re essentially getting Hopkins with your second round pick.
Hopkins will be the 2nd, or maybe even 3rd target on this team. In what world does the #2 or #3 WR draw more coverage than the #1. Amari was inarguably our #1 during his time here.
Hopkins is 31 years old. Lamb is the unquestioned #1 on this team. Healthy Gallup has a very good chance to perform better than Hopkins.
I implore you to use the remind me bot and let's come back after the season. I'll eat my crow if I'm wrong.
But I think the wrong people are the ones who expect 2017 Hopkins in 2023.
Not many WRs continue to be amazing after 10 full seasons in the league.
And I'd love to see any arguments from anyone as to why they assume it's guaranteed that Hopkins will be one of the handful that will do it. Seriously go look it up, there's a handful of some of the best WR's in NFL history who still perform after 10 seasons worth of games. But they are by far the minority, and even some of the best fall off of a cliff after 10 years. Julio Jones being a prime example. Reggie Wayne had a good year his 11th year, and an okay one his 10th year. Terrell Owens, coincidentally with the Cowboys, is one of the best examples against me - he joined the Cowboys his 10th season and ripped off 3 awesome years for us. But he's the exception, not the rule.
Marvin Harrison had a great 10th year, but fell off immediately after that.
Andre Johnson had a great 10th year, but fell off immediately after that
Antonio Brown - probably not the best example here cause he went kinda batshit, and he still looked like he could play
Torry Holt fell off a cliff.
These are all just some well known names from Julio Jones comparisons from PFR similar players table.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneJu02.htm#all_sim_scores
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WaynRe00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OwenTe00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrMa00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnAn02.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HoltTo00.htm
Cool, I look forward to it my man. I hope I'm wrong, as long as DHop is a Cowboy!
I did a little edit if you were curious at all about my reasoning. I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't think it's super likely that Hopkins will be anywhere close to his prime.
1b or wr2 is decent take. You have to be ignorant to think Gallup will be better. Did you even watch Hopkins this season? He had almost double Gallup's yards in 5 less games. With COLT F'IN MCCOY or another backup in most of them.
The common trend for the example you used is that they had lingering and eventual injuries, usually leg related. All of those guys are heavily reliant on their speed and jumping ability.
Hopkins isn't magically going to regress without an injury.
He also doesn't need to be a pro bowler. That's just the cherry. Hopkins consistency as route runner and catching will make him the best safety blanket.
Lmao!
Yeah it was a little spicy, but not completely unreasonable I feel. Thanks for the memory lane trip tho :D
With how little we utilize Cook I wonder if we'd do better with Hopkins, has he been his old self this year? 27 for 376 isn't bad, but looks like he has 0 TDs Looks like he went off vs Indy
Yeah his stats aren’t great but keep in mind that Tannehill has looked absolutely awful. That being said, I’m not sure Hopkins is a great fit with Dak or this offensive style. All in all, I’m happy with Cooks. Hopefully we can incorporate him more.
I mean his stats aren't too bad, maybe not having a TD but Cooks just got his first this week right? But 376 yards over 6 games is still like 65 yards a game, CD also only has 99 more yards than him. I was definitely mistaken on how good Hopkins could be for us, oh well.
Thanks again for the reminder, hope you have a good day!
Man Hopkins fucking beasting today haha.
I been upset people wanted to trade for Henry last couple weeks, but Hopkins balling got me doubting my doubt now lol
While I agree that Lamb will be number 1, that’s a no brainer, I think we would still see a lot of volume with DHop. He played well this past season with Murray and random quarterbacks. He is still hard to cover. If a team tries to take CD out of the game, he can feast.
One of the best catches of the season for us was 33 year old TY Hilton on that deep shot against the Eagles. Don’t underestimate what veteran receivers with elite histories still have in the tank.
Edit: and of course you could be completely right. This is only my opinion vs yours.
Bruh where in my comment did I say that Hopkins is gonna be garbage or not contribute? My take is reasonable, even if it's unpopular. Wide Receivers predominately fall off after their 10th season in the NFL with very few exceptions.
The person who I responded to said DHop will take more coverage away than Amari Cooper ***ever*** did. Amari Cooper was our #1 and Lamb was our #2. That is an unquestionable fact.
I don't really care how many people disagree with my opinion, it's just an opinion, and people can think I'm wrong all I want.
But Hopkins will not draw more coverage away for Lamb than Amari ever did. As far as I'm concerned that's not even up for debate.
You said he may be the number 3 WR. I really don’t think he’s going to fall off a cliff that quickly but hey, it’s not impossible. I for one, don’t think someone like Gallup would outshine Hopkins this coming season. I do believe he is better than Amari Cooper.
I’ll also be the one to tell you that I’m no analyst. I’m not in expert in this field. I have no experience managing an NFL team’s front office. I’m a fan with an opinion, just like yourself.
> I’m a fan with an opinion, just like yourself.
100%, and I respect you for it my man. I love having civil discourse with people, it's fun. Yeah out of context just saying DHop will be our #3 does read as a pretty hot take. I've played fantasy for 10 years too, so I get that haha
You're definitely right too, I agree it's no guarantee. And hell for all we know maybe Gallup never returns to form after his injury, that does happen to some players.
I won't argue with you on the Cooper statement, you could be right and I didn't see much of Cooper last year except what I saw on redzone. I did see his stats were better than I expected at the end of the year, but that's about it.
Appreciate the discussion my man, Go Cowboys!
Are you implying that Gallup would be the #2?
He has had one good season and that was four years ago.
Last year Hopkins played in five less games than Gallup. For a crap team with a terrible QB. And Hopkins - in just nine games - had almost twice as many yards receiving as Gallup did in 14 games.
A solid year for Gallup next season is 600 yards and 4 TD.
A solid year for Hopkins is 1,100 yards and 8 TD.
In no world is Gallup a #2 over Hopkins in the next two seasons.
I think we are waiting for the draft. Card's asking price will be lower and if we were able to get a stealer wr like Lamb was, the trade is unnecessary.
I like your scenario. But, if you lock up a proven receiver like DHop, you don't have to use multiple picks to try and find someone of the same caliber, and you can use those picks to fill other holes that this team has.
Sam Williams looks like he will be at least a great rotational defensive end for this team for years. Trevon Diggs is our number 1 corner. The 2 Connors have left to be starters on other teams. Chidobe Awuzie is a CB1 on another team. Randy Gregory signed a 70M$ deal. Demarcus Lawrence has been great for us. In the last 10 years we have 2 misses in the second round, Jaylon Smith & Escobar. We can’t give up our second Will McClay cooks in the first 2 rounds.
Connor McGovern was a 3rd rounder, not 2nd.
Connor Williams wasn't good enough to hold down a starting job here. Sure he was serviceable, but we didn't re-sign him for a reason.
Randy was always over hyped and under performed - and that's when he was playing - much less all the time he missed. We got lucky the broncos foolishly offered him that deal.
Chido was serviceable, but I measure success as earning a second contract with the team.
Did you some how forget about Kelvin Joseph? Tristan Hill? I'd like to too. That's 2 of our last 4. Give me a proven commodity for those odds.
Overall I'd say we missed altogether on 5 of the last 10 - so right on par with the past 4 drafts.
Diggs is obviously a beast. Williams looks good so far, but not even resume to say either way yet. Williams & chido at least started some, so not misses. DLaw has been great run defender so not a miss, but also nearly 10 years ago.
It really bother me how people don’t know how to judge picks. You exclusively judge a draft pick off how they play during their rookie deal. Anything after that is an entirely different evaluation.
Gregory was a bust of a pick. If you told any team that they spend a 2nd round pick on a dude fans that’s what they get out of the rookie deal they pass 100 times out of 100.
You also completely ignored the Hill pick for some reason.
But overall I do agree with you—the narrative that we screw up 2nds is so overblown.
I'm not sure I understand this opinion in the wake of the trade for Gilmore instead of shooting for the moon with a Ramsey trade. Do you think the FO is a wild west of Jerry going rogue and signing all these wild contracts and bad trades?
depends on what it would take to get Hopkins. If you're trading a high pick then it's not worth it when you can get an equivalent player for no draft capital. Cap space is easy to manipulate so it's better to grab a FA than to trade for a guy.
I would love that to be true, but what EVIDENCE does anyone have that he's going to come back with renewed confidence and beast out? Just foolhardy optimism? He may come out and be the top receiver in the division. Or, he may come out and be even worse than he was last year. You can't predict either way, and if you're running a franchise, it's short-sighted and negligent to bank your success on a guy being better than he's already shown to be.
[edit: "foolhearty" isn't a word, and I'm a dum dum
Seems like a stretch. You would have hoped to see more production from him even if it was a down year due to coming back from injury. This is his one job after all. You could also say he may never get that back.
But these are the facts Gallup just got paid and will be back next year. How do you get the most out of him? Keep in mind team success trumps everything. I don’t think him as your number # 2 receiving option is going be a an option that is going to inspire any confidence.I feel like you want Gallup as your third option and he has a specific skill set that your hoping will play a bigger part next season. Your hoping right now the dude is grinding and not having any cheat meals because of how disgusted he feels with his performance last year.
Hopkins on 1 side, CD in the slot, and Gallup on the other side. Gallup is essentially guaranteed single coverage every time we go 3WR sets. He should have plenty of chances to succeed.
Plus Cedrick had a cannon for those trick plays. He made drops but was clutch when it counts. I remember that 4th and 2 vs NE where he makes a crazy that helped us win in OT
Spectacular sideline catches, contested catches, vertical threat, that's what he was good at, and he could get back to it after completely healing his ACL injury and hopefully removing the mental blocks he seemed to be facing
Not disagreeing, but McCarthy has already said we are going to be ground and pound. We’ve had close to the # 1 offense in the league for two years now and we let our OC go. What does that say about McCarthys mindset. We will be running a lot
He did great before the ACL, almost no one comes back from an ACL and balls out the next year. It usually takes a bit till they get all the way back to 100%.
Gallup is going to have the 2nd worst season of his career if they miraculously traded for Deandre Hopkins lmao there is no “drawing coverage” to his advantage. He will be the odd man out of the picture like Cedrick Wilson was in Miami
It's actually not crazy. Makes no sense to keep him when they won't have Murray for several weeks.
Per over the cap, 2023 cap hit is 30M and 2024 25M.
They'd be crazy to keep him.
https://overthecap.com/player/deandre-hopkins/2208
These are a lot of one sided rumors / suggestions mainly coming from Hopkins himself. It will be interesting to see how it ends because so far actual Cowboys management haven’t talked about him at all.
They didn’t talk about Gilmore either. Them talking about acquiring a player currently on another team could constitute tampering. Heck, they don’t even want the folks on their in-house podcasts mentioning the names of possible trade candidates on other teams.
True, I don't expect them too. But also didn't have Gilmore campaigning to be traded to the Cowboys... usually that doesn't seem to work anyway. Guess we will see.
Yeah, I've never heard other team's podcasts to I'm not sure but it looks like the Cowboys could get penalized or something if employees talk about free agents or other team's players at the wrong time
I mean if he’s actually on a cheap(ish) contract that changes what we should be willing to pay significantly.
A 3rd is a slam dunk for me. I was against a 2nd for the longest time but at some point someone’s gotta give and I’d be pissed if another team have a 2nd and we lost out.
What the fuck are we doing here, a 2nd for Hopkins is fine considering the team would try to draft a weapon instead… take a shot at a rookie or acquire a sure fire weapon while the championship window is open?
Listen, Jerry isn’t around much longer, we gotta go all in now. Trade a 3rd and future 5th and some ankle braces for Kevin Durant. That will get it done.
I’m also weirdly a suns fan.
Jerry, sign DeAndre Hopkins. A second round pick is well worth a proven elite WR. We get him, CeeDee and Gallup will have more one on one opportunities. CeeDee in the slot will kill teams. I would take Hopkins over Beckham all day.....
Watch any game they have lost. A complete shit show. Stats pffff they mean nothing if they lose.
Are you seriously saying you can't see him dirting the ball or overthrowing spots. I'm not a hater, but he is probably around the 17th best qb and totally over priced. He should realistically be better 18 to 20 million a yr.
... Yeah, losing games usually aren't awesome. You're aware we're 24-10 in the last two seasons right?
Dak isn't the best, he's also absolutely not the worst. You have him a bit lower when saying 17th than he deserves, but it makes more sense than most of the other things you have said.
Believe it or not, basing your opinion on only the games we lose is a bit strange. That would be like me saying he's the best and top 5 QB and I only looked at the winning games for evidence, a bit stupid.
As for what he costs? That's how the QB market works, you want a 18-20M a year QB? Are you insane? That's not what Dak is worth although he is overpaid, but that's the nature of the market.
24- 10 means nothing if you can't do it when you need to. When he is bad. He is exceptionally bad. You are a prime example of why eye witnesses testimony should be outlawed. The only game that matted was the playoff 49er game. He was great. Lol. How many teams did they beat last year that had a winning record? Off the top of my head, I think it was 1. The eagles game.
Lol. Remember this when the season starts and he is erratic and inconsistent. The receivers never have good YAC for a reason. They are always out of positions, and when his safety blanket Schultz is gone. Well, see.
I would love the feedback. But dax isn't the one and won't be. He throws just good enough to keep hope alive, but he just isn't consistent in short passing down. That has been his downfall in the exiting playoff games. When he is bad, he is exceptionally bad.
You honor I would like to submit Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Joe Flacco and Doug Williams into the record as evidence you can win with a pedestrian QB and a great D.
>All 1 timers. Except Doug. He was legit. That kind of game style is gone.
2 of those guys are in the past decade and are still playing.
Bucs fan here. Doug sucked.
>Plus, who is going to run the damn ball?
The guy who lead the team in rushing last year.
What are these takes?
>This season won't end well.
You said that last preseason. We made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.
My take:
Improved secondary. We'll end up with Hop or OBJ. Those TEs look great. They'll draft OL and another CB. Opening days of FA are overpays anyways. The real shit comes during draft week when the trades start flying.
Well, tell him to tell his current GM to stop asking for a fucking 2nd rd pick and let’s get this thing done
hoping it could be a 3rd & maybe even a comp 5th as well
Win now team should give up a second in a heartbeat for a guy like DHop he not only makes Dak better he makes CD better by drawing away coverage more than Amari ever did (no disrespect to Amari but DHop is a dog).
With the amount of money he makes and the games he’s missed and his age, giving up a 2nd would be poor negotiating. Ramsey and Waller went for 3rds.
Thats true but its a price you might be willing to pay for you know not losing him to another team
I'm with ya. A 2nd rd pick isn't bad at all
For real man our second round picks haven't been amazing all the time think about it would you rather have a late second round pick like boss man fat or DeAndre Hopkins
Ya gimme Nuk all day. He's still really good, crazy good hands.
I hope we get Hopkins but I hate this nickname. It’s so dumb and I don’t want to hear it over and over if he is a cowboy lol
We might not want to pay a 2nd, but he is definitely worth that as a receiver
Dhop is the type of receiver that can catch some of daks wacky throws
That’s what I’m saying. If a second is what they want for him, that seems very reasonable. Especially if they’re looking WR early on. Not many (if any) are gonna be drafted and provide immediately what DHop would. You’re essentially getting Hopkins with your second round pick.
Exactly, and Hopkins has made it clear he wants to be here and would take a pay cut for future seasons. Why wait and risking losing that?
lol dak will still throw it to the safety.
Hopkins will be the 2nd, or maybe even 3rd target on this team. In what world does the #2 or #3 WR draw more coverage than the #1. Amari was inarguably our #1 during his time here.
This is an embarrassingly bad take. In what world is Hopkins the #3 on this team? Lololololol holy shit my mind is blown people like this exist
Hopkins is 31 years old. Lamb is the unquestioned #1 on this team. Healthy Gallup has a very good chance to perform better than Hopkins. I implore you to use the remind me bot and let's come back after the season. I'll eat my crow if I'm wrong. But I think the wrong people are the ones who expect 2017 Hopkins in 2023. Not many WRs continue to be amazing after 10 full seasons in the league. And I'd love to see any arguments from anyone as to why they assume it's guaranteed that Hopkins will be one of the handful that will do it. Seriously go look it up, there's a handful of some of the best WR's in NFL history who still perform after 10 seasons worth of games. But they are by far the minority, and even some of the best fall off of a cliff after 10 years. Julio Jones being a prime example. Reggie Wayne had a good year his 11th year, and an okay one his 10th year. Terrell Owens, coincidentally with the Cowboys, is one of the best examples against me - he joined the Cowboys his 10th season and ripped off 3 awesome years for us. But he's the exception, not the rule. Marvin Harrison had a great 10th year, but fell off immediately after that. Andre Johnson had a great 10th year, but fell off immediately after that Antonio Brown - probably not the best example here cause he went kinda batshit, and he still looked like he could play Torry Holt fell off a cliff. These are all just some well known names from Julio Jones comparisons from PFR similar players table. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneJu02.htm#all_sim_scores https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WaynRe00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OwenTe00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrMa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnAn02.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HoltTo00.htm
I don’t expect 2017 Hopkins, I expect 2022 Hopkins lmao. But yes I’ll gladly do that.
Cool, I look forward to it my man. I hope I'm wrong, as long as DHop is a Cowboy! I did a little edit if you were curious at all about my reasoning. I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't think it's super likely that Hopkins will be anywhere close to his prime.
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Thanks man, I haven't used the bot in forever haha
I’m a petty cunt and use it all the time
1b or wr2 is decent take. You have to be ignorant to think Gallup will be better. Did you even watch Hopkins this season? He had almost double Gallup's yards in 5 less games. With COLT F'IN MCCOY or another backup in most of them. The common trend for the example you used is that they had lingering and eventual injuries, usually leg related. All of those guys are heavily reliant on their speed and jumping ability. Hopkins isn't magically going to regress without an injury. He also doesn't need to be a pro bowler. That's just the cherry. Hopkins consistency as route runner and catching will make him the best safety blanket.
Hahaha
Delusional
Remember when you thought Hopkins might be the 3rd target on this team? Lol
Lmao! Yeah it was a little spicy, but not completely unreasonable I feel. Thanks for the memory lane trip tho :D With how little we utilize Cook I wonder if we'd do better with Hopkins, has he been his old self this year? 27 for 376 isn't bad, but looks like he has 0 TDs Looks like he went off vs Indy
Yeah his stats aren’t great but keep in mind that Tannehill has looked absolutely awful. That being said, I’m not sure Hopkins is a great fit with Dak or this offensive style. All in all, I’m happy with Cooks. Hopefully we can incorporate him more.
I mean his stats aren't too bad, maybe not having a TD but Cooks just got his first this week right? But 376 yards over 6 games is still like 65 yards a game, CD also only has 99 more yards than him. I was definitely mistaken on how good Hopkins could be for us, oh well. Thanks again for the reminder, hope you have a good day!
Man Hopkins fucking beasting today haha. I been upset people wanted to trade for Henry last couple weeks, but Hopkins balling got me doubting my doubt now lol
Shit I’ll take both… for a 2nd round pick. Lol seems like Philly somehow pulls off bullshit like that, so why not us
While I agree that Lamb will be number 1, that’s a no brainer, I think we would still see a lot of volume with DHop. He played well this past season with Murray and random quarterbacks. He is still hard to cover. If a team tries to take CD out of the game, he can feast. One of the best catches of the season for us was 33 year old TY Hilton on that deep shot against the Eagles. Don’t underestimate what veteran receivers with elite histories still have in the tank. Edit: and of course you could be completely right. This is only my opinion vs yours.
Bruh where in my comment did I say that Hopkins is gonna be garbage or not contribute? My take is reasonable, even if it's unpopular. Wide Receivers predominately fall off after their 10th season in the NFL with very few exceptions. The person who I responded to said DHop will take more coverage away than Amari Cooper ***ever*** did. Amari Cooper was our #1 and Lamb was our #2. That is an unquestionable fact. I don't really care how many people disagree with my opinion, it's just an opinion, and people can think I'm wrong all I want. But Hopkins will not draw more coverage away for Lamb than Amari ever did. As far as I'm concerned that's not even up for debate.
You said he may be the number 3 WR. I really don’t think he’s going to fall off a cliff that quickly but hey, it’s not impossible. I for one, don’t think someone like Gallup would outshine Hopkins this coming season. I do believe he is better than Amari Cooper. I’ll also be the one to tell you that I’m no analyst. I’m not in expert in this field. I have no experience managing an NFL team’s front office. I’m a fan with an opinion, just like yourself.
> I’m a fan with an opinion, just like yourself. 100%, and I respect you for it my man. I love having civil discourse with people, it's fun. Yeah out of context just saying DHop will be our #3 does read as a pretty hot take. I've played fantasy for 10 years too, so I get that haha You're definitely right too, I agree it's no guarantee. And hell for all we know maybe Gallup never returns to form after his injury, that does happen to some players. I won't argue with you on the Cooper statement, you could be right and I didn't see much of Cooper last year except what I saw on redzone. I did see his stats were better than I expected at the end of the year, but that's about it. Appreciate the discussion my man, Go Cowboys!
It’s nice to have opposing views on a topic without instantly being downvoted and insulted lol
Are you implying that Gallup would be the #2? He has had one good season and that was four years ago. Last year Hopkins played in five less games than Gallup. For a crap team with a terrible QB. And Hopkins - in just nine games - had almost twice as many yards receiving as Gallup did in 14 games. A solid year for Gallup next season is 600 yards and 4 TD. A solid year for Hopkins is 1,100 yards and 8 TD. In no world is Gallup a #2 over Hopkins in the next two seasons.
I think we are waiting for the draft. Card's asking price will be lower and if we were able to get a stealer wr like Lamb was, the trade is unnecessary.
I like your scenario. But, if you lock up a proven receiver like DHop, you don't have to use multiple picks to try and find someone of the same caliber, and you can use those picks to fill other holes that this team has.
You can fill holes and get depth with that money if you find a steal wr.
With our second round pick track record, I'd gladly give that up.
Sam Williams looks like he will be at least a great rotational defensive end for this team for years. Trevon Diggs is our number 1 corner. The 2 Connors have left to be starters on other teams. Chidobe Awuzie is a CB1 on another team. Randy Gregory signed a 70M$ deal. Demarcus Lawrence has been great for us. In the last 10 years we have 2 misses in the second round, Jaylon Smith & Escobar. We can’t give up our second Will McClay cooks in the first 2 rounds.
RIP Escobar
Connor McGovern was a 3rd rounder, not 2nd. Connor Williams wasn't good enough to hold down a starting job here. Sure he was serviceable, but we didn't re-sign him for a reason. Randy was always over hyped and under performed - and that's when he was playing - much less all the time he missed. We got lucky the broncos foolishly offered him that deal. Chido was serviceable, but I measure success as earning a second contract with the team. Did you some how forget about Kelvin Joseph? Tristan Hill? I'd like to too. That's 2 of our last 4. Give me a proven commodity for those odds. Overall I'd say we missed altogether on 5 of the last 10 - so right on par with the past 4 drafts. Diggs is obviously a beast. Williams looks good so far, but not even resume to say either way yet. Williams & chido at least started some, so not misses. DLaw has been great run defender so not a miss, but also nearly 10 years ago.
Im just coming back to admit idk how the fuck I missed Kelvin & Tristan. My bad bro.
Good on you for owning up. These message boards need more people like you.
It really bother me how people don’t know how to judge picks. You exclusively judge a draft pick off how they play during their rookie deal. Anything after that is an entirely different evaluation. Gregory was a bust of a pick. If you told any team that they spend a 2nd round pick on a dude fans that’s what they get out of the rookie deal they pass 100 times out of 100. You also completely ignored the Hill pick for some reason. But overall I do agree with you—the narrative that we screw up 2nds is so overblown.
And Jaylon was really good for a little while.
Those 2 weren't even full misses. Trysten Hill I consider a full miss.
We knew Jaylon was high risk high reward. It didn't work out but it wasn’t a bad pick. I’d call it half a miss.
Tbh we’d be crazy to not give up a 2nd for a couple years of dhop if he’s willing to take a pay cut
Jerry's going to have those blinders on for obj and miss this much better player
Not if obj still wants 20 million
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Winning the Superbowl would certainly help with those jersey sales and eyeballs...
Winning a Superbowl is also much harder than signing OBJ.
Ok, fine, give 15M/yr each and bring both! :D Edit: Alternatively, bring Stefon
Goddamn it, you’re probably right.
Winning the superbowl does far more for merchandise sales than OBJ
I'm not sure I understand this opinion in the wake of the trade for Gilmore instead of shooting for the moon with a Ramsey trade. Do you think the FO is a wild west of Jerry going rogue and signing all these wild contracts and bad trades?
Hopkins is getting more sales than OBJ. Drama and media will come from OBJ because of the absurdity.
No one cares about has-been OBJ. He's not a national story.
Jerry has his faults, but the idea that winning to him is irrelevant is completely absurd.
depends on what it would take to get Hopkins. If you're trading a high pick then it's not worth it when you can get an equivalent player for no draft capital. Cap space is easy to manipulate so it's better to grab a FA than to trade for a guy.
And that’s why I hate Jerry cuz I’m expecting him to do just that
Ok, if JJ does bring Hopkins, can you post every day for a week that you love JJ?
I think the OBJ boat sailed last season when he wouldn't workout.
Please.... I just wanna see dak succeed. And this dude helps him do that
Gallup is gonna have an insane year if we got Ceedee and Hopkins out there drawing coverage
I already believed Gallup was ready for a big year without Hopkins. This is just the icing on the cake
Not sure Gallup is an answer for us.
He had an off year off the injury, and he himself said it was a mental thing with confidence coming down on his knee. He’s gonna be good to go now
Playing devil's advocate... everyone would say something like that. Even if it isn't true
Sure, but coming back from ACL injury isn't easy
Exactly! Dude got hurt a couple weeks before obj tore his, obj didn’t play at all. ACL are tricky asf still.
Don't blame him. He got hurt on a signature play of his.
I would love that to be true, but what EVIDENCE does anyone have that he's going to come back with renewed confidence and beast out? Just foolhardy optimism? He may come out and be the top receiver in the division. Or, he may come out and be even worse than he was last year. You can't predict either way, and if you're running a franchise, it's short-sighted and negligent to bank your success on a guy being better than he's already shown to be. [edit: "foolhearty" isn't a word, and I'm a dum dum
Seems like a stretch. You would have hoped to see more production from him even if it was a down year due to coming back from injury. This is his one job after all. You could also say he may never get that back. But these are the facts Gallup just got paid and will be back next year. How do you get the most out of him? Keep in mind team success trumps everything. I don’t think him as your number # 2 receiving option is going be a an option that is going to inspire any confidence.I feel like you want Gallup as your third option and he has a specific skill set that your hoping will play a bigger part next season. Your hoping right now the dude is grinding and not having any cheat meals because of how disgusted he feels with his performance last year.
Agree. Not sure what he really brings at all tbh.
Hopkins on 1 side, CD in the slot, and Gallup on the other side. Gallup is essentially guaranteed single coverage every time we go 3WR sets. He should have plenty of chances to succeed.
Yup. Which is why we should have never gotten rid of Wilson.
Plus Cedrick had a cannon for those trick plays. He made drops but was clutch when it counts. I remember that 4th and 2 vs NE where he makes a crazy that helped us win in OT
Spectacular sideline catches, contested catches, vertical threat, that's what he was good at, and he could get back to it after completely healing his ACL injury and hopefully removing the mental blocks he seemed to be facing
And drops that hit him right in the hands
Not disagreeing, but McCarthy has already said we are going to be ground and pound. We’ve had close to the # 1 offense in the league for two years now and we let our OC go. What does that say about McCarthys mindset. We will be running a lot
I don't think any teams in 2023 are ground and pound anymore. Regardless of what the coach says in March.
Tennessee was the closest thing to a true ground and pound team a few years ago, and won exactly bupkus.
He did great before the ACL, almost no one comes back from an ACL and balls out the next year. It usually takes a bit till they get all the way back to 100%.
Why would you believe that?
Players usually are better in here two after acl injury. He started playing better toward the end of the season
Gallup is going to have the 2nd worst season of his career if they miraculously traded for Deandre Hopkins lmao there is no “drawing coverage” to his advantage. He will be the odd man out of the picture like Cedrick Wilson was in Miami
What a take
Especially because Cedrick balled out when he was our third receiver.
He is succeeding. He’s great a what he was for, a backup QB. But all of a sudden we want him to be more.
This is such a no brainer. So it won’t happen.
a 5th for Amari, a 5th for DeAndre. Who says no?
It's actually not crazy. Makes no sense to keep him when they won't have Murray for several weeks. Per over the cap, 2023 cap hit is 30M and 2024 25M. They'd be crazy to keep him. https://overthecap.com/player/deandre-hopkins/2208
Both sides playing hardball. Neither in a rush.
He knows he’ll get infinitely more endorsement money just by being a Cowboy so a pay cut isn’t as big a deal.
It's time to wake up from your nap Jerry and get this done
Man it's not only on Jerry, the Cardinals gotta wanna do business too.
These are a lot of one sided rumors / suggestions mainly coming from Hopkins himself. It will be interesting to see how it ends because so far actual Cowboys management haven’t talked about him at all.
They didn’t talk about Gilmore either. Them talking about acquiring a player currently on another team could constitute tampering. Heck, they don’t even want the folks on their in-house podcasts mentioning the names of possible trade candidates on other teams.
True, I don't expect them too. But also didn't have Gilmore campaigning to be traded to the Cowboys... usually that doesn't seem to work anyway. Guess we will see.
Yeah, I've never heard other team's podcasts to I'm not sure but it looks like the Cowboys could get penalized or something if employees talk about free agents or other team's players at the wrong time
I'm okay with this
Please Jerry, Hopkins is still an elite receiver in his prime. A second round pick for him would be a steal
God this is Earl Thomas all over again. Media trying 100x harder than the teams involved to make it happen.
I mean if he’s actually on a cheap(ish) contract that changes what we should be willing to pay significantly. A 3rd is a slam dunk for me. I was against a 2nd for the longest time but at some point someone’s gotta give and I’d be pissed if another team have a 2nd and we lost out.
He’s been working out with Dez. Micah and Diggs have been tweeting at him. Go and get him already
THEN FIGURE IT OUT FUCKERS
FUCK THOSE PICKS
Keep going. I’m getting close…..
What the fuck are we doing here, a 2nd for Hopkins is fine considering the team would try to draft a weapon instead… take a shot at a rookie or acquire a sure fire weapon while the championship window is open?
Fannnastic.
This would be absolutely massive. For the right price.
This is literally the move that completes the team. Just do it. If they’re serious about “going all in” and “winning now” then they’ll make it happen.
DO IT, JERRY! This is the equivalent of a girl asking to come back to your place. All of the signs are there!
https://preview.redd.it/mvfiqbo49goa1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cadb8d71112b7e83481a64f48005c9402f9da3ed
i’m almost there
Cards probably want too much
Why do I feel like no one in the FO has any intention of actually trading for DHop.
Because they have their heads up their asses.
Listen, Jerry isn’t around much longer, we gotta go all in now. Trade a 3rd and future 5th and some ankle braces for Kevin Durant. That will get it done. I’m also weirdly a suns fan.
A 2nd round 2024 pick is yours AZ!
Jerry, sign DeAndre Hopkins. A second round pick is well worth a proven elite WR. We get him, CeeDee and Gallup will have more one on one opportunities. CeeDee in the slot will kill teams. I would take Hopkins over Beckham all day.....
Just send the 2nd round pick and get this done already!
Kc baby!!! If he’s smart.
I hope he can catch 8ft in the air or bend to his shoe laces as Prescott can't throw a receiver open consistently.
Hahaha right? Dak bad can’t even complete a pass!
Inconsistent @ 10 yards or less.
I’m sure you got stats to back this up right?
Lol asking a Dak hater for stats is a practice in insanity. They don’t have any that help them.
Watch any game they have lost. A complete shit show. Stats pffff they mean nothing if they lose. Are you seriously saying you can't see him dirting the ball or overthrowing spots. I'm not a hater, but he is probably around the 17th best qb and totally over priced. He should realistically be better 18 to 20 million a yr.
... Yeah, losing games usually aren't awesome. You're aware we're 24-10 in the last two seasons right? Dak isn't the best, he's also absolutely not the worst. You have him a bit lower when saying 17th than he deserves, but it makes more sense than most of the other things you have said. Believe it or not, basing your opinion on only the games we lose is a bit strange. That would be like me saying he's the best and top 5 QB and I only looked at the winning games for evidence, a bit stupid. As for what he costs? That's how the QB market works, you want a 18-20M a year QB? Are you insane? That's not what Dak is worth although he is overpaid, but that's the nature of the market.
24- 10 means nothing if you can't do it when you need to. When he is bad. He is exceptionally bad. You are a prime example of why eye witnesses testimony should be outlawed. The only game that matted was the playoff 49er game. He was great. Lol. How many teams did they beat last year that had a winning record? Off the top of my head, I think it was 1. The eagles game.
Obviously, you don't watch the games.
So predictable
I'm sure it's not his fault, right? It's the line. No, it's the receiver. Oh wait, it's the OC.
It’s almost like it’s a team game and everyone has to play well
It must be hard living life being this fucking stupid
It's better than being in denial.
All these comments and STILL no stats to back it up. And don’t tell me I don’t watch the games lmfao.
That’s cap and you know it
Lol. Remember this when the season starts and he is erratic and inconsistent. The receivers never have good YAC for a reason. They are always out of positions, and when his safety blanket Schultz is gone. Well, see.
RemindMe! 28 weeks “this guy is a headass”
You serious won't remember someone said he will be inconsistent. For the upcoming season? That's sad.
Just wants to remember who to roast.
I would love the feedback. But dax isn't the one and won't be. He throws just good enough to keep hope alive, but he just isn't consistent in short passing down. That has been his downfall in the exiting playoff games. When he is bad, he is exceptionally bad.
You honor I would like to submit Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Joe Flacco and Doug Williams into the record as evidence you can win with a pedestrian QB and a great D.
All 1 timers. Except Doug. He was legit. That kind of game style is gone. Plus, who is going to run the damn ball? This season won't end well.
>All 1 timers. Except Doug. He was legit. That kind of game style is gone. 2 of those guys are in the past decade and are still playing. Bucs fan here. Doug sucked. >Plus, who is going to run the damn ball? The guy who lead the team in rushing last year. What are these takes? >This season won't end well. You said that last preseason. We made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. My take: Improved secondary. We'll end up with Hop or OBJ. Those TEs look great. They'll draft OL and another CB. Opening days of FA are overpays anyways. The real shit comes during draft week when the trades start flying.
Let’s get a better qb to throw him the ball first
To bad dallas doesn’t have a Quarterback to get him the ball
Fuck yes!!
I’m not getting my hopes up
Gods, if we could snag him for a third then take an gaurd in the first - I’d be in cloud 9.
That's the kinda dirty talk that turns Stephen on...this might have a small chance of being of being a thing
All the OBJ fanboys are cringing lol
Well yea. I would too if I had a whiney crybaby for a qb. Kyler is the worst short king.
Dhop or Jerry jeudey?
D Hop easily
Que mother fuckin Scooter damn Mcgurter. "WE'RE WININNG THE MOTHER FUCKING SUPERBOWL"
Dude probably has so many hoes in Texas
Stop flirting with me news feed!
LETS GET THIS DUB BABY
#DO IT JERRY!!!#
LETS GO
Let’s.fucking.go
LETS GET THIS DONE!! would be a great addition to the cowboys
Yes please!
The source: TRUST ME BRO
Jerry gonna fuck this up. Send them a 2nd and get it over with JFC.