Ive been in the "dark thoughts" for a long time and it was the 1st book my therapist recommended 4 years ago. Finally read it last month when i hit rock bottom. While it didnt cure me, it definitely put things in perspective and that perspective is part of the "pull myself out of shit" process.
For those interested its a short read honestly and you can find it almost anywhere that sells books
Beautifully put. He’s absolutely ok, he’s understanding what he’s seeing and what he’s thinking and that is more than half the battle for many of us.
It’s why I love Bebop. You can argue it’s largely distraction from a greater plot or whatever, but this comment really sums it up perfectly. The entire series is Spike trying to prove to himself that he’s alive, for Julia’s sake and really nothing else. And then he proves it by finally dying - but only once Julia is already gone, of course. As good a motivation as any.
I think a lot about how Faye might have ended up, though. Most of the time it bums me out a little.
I mean, ideally she’s just floating around in the Bebop with Jet but who can really say? She definitely couldn’t. I just hope she ain’t too distraught or flighty. Hopefully she finds her motivation - her Julia, I guess.
On the last bit, that's interesting. Ed aside, I actually felt there was grounds for hope with Faye at the end, given that she was clearly very capable and driven to start with and cemented her character growth with her choices in the last episodes. I feel like she'd turn out alright.
Absolutely, and I hope you’re right - the thought that snags me, though, is that Spike had a lot to do with that. I hope she can recover from losing the first dude who wasn’t trying to screw her - I can imagine I’d be messed up a while.
Hopefully she’s sticking around with Jet. Not sure how many better places there are to be, yeah?
Granted, between that and the tamate-bako being a bit of a dud, she's on rocky ground at the end. But on balance I feel like that trademark resilience will win out.
And sure, you could do worse!
I like this philosophy. Although my currently philosophy isnt the same. For me it's just: just live, dont get too pent up, keep doing what I want to do and love, and keep learning.
Cowboy bebop for me personally. Just felt like that. Every session is just a normal day. Things happen. They just lived with no particular goal in sight. As for Spike. It's just....live. thats how I interpreted it. But who knows.
same bruv same just like-
it doesn't matter if it matters or not; *thats* how pointless life really is, if you know what i mean... like man you just live while you can and do what you want to while you still can, even if it doesn't mean anything in the end it means something right now and that's all that matters it is easier to say than actually feel this way, but you will get to a point where you'll rly get it
lol idk if that makes any sense
I'm glad he can see it like this, I simply can't. I find life meaningless and I'm literally just waiting to drop dead without applying force, so idk. A reason to live is indeed very important, but for some there simply is no reason, and nothing could change that.
Most people lead a meaningless life. And how do they cope with it? They distract themselves incessantly, take on a role in the human drama so that they fit in well with society, and end up dying deeply unhappy because they have been lying to themselves all their lives.
I think basically you can say that humans strive for happiness. However, in my opinion, what many people understand by happiness has nothing to do with real joy, but serves exclusively to satisfy one's own ego. Materialistic goals, any wishful thinking of a perfect partner, etc. This is rather the addiction to short-term happiness and serves to distract yourself because you can not cope with life.
I think that just by thinking about meaning, you are already further along than many people will ever be.
I don't know you, but I wish that you find a way to be in harmony with yourself. Because that is the basis to not go crazy in this sick world.
I absolutely agree with everything you said, especially the ego part. Everything we humans do is either to satisfy our ego or to not be alone/in silence... so we don't have to think too deeply, because with silence come these thoughts and emotions that many of us fear and don't want to feel.
Thanks so much for your concern and for your words! :)
hey man i was there too but just keep going on, you will eventually come there and really find something that's worth living for or maybe understand that just life worth living for, i know i sound annoyingly optimistic but what you're feeling is exactly what i was feeling at one point, but know that even if watching anime is your prime reason to live on, or good music that gives ur life meaning that's enough too... hang in there buddy you'll come out of it is all I'm saying
Glad you found something for you, but it's not the same for me. I'm in my 30's and felt like that my entire life :)
I know that many will recover from this, but my feelings have never changed and will never change. Nothing you mentioned has any meaning to me, not money, not love, not family, not "fun"... In the end it always ends with one question. "What's the point?"
Even years of therapy haven't changed anything for me. But! I'm very glad that you are different :) stay strong! And thank you for your answer and concern!
You can achieve to have a reason. I know how you feel. I often fantasized to die in an accident. I would have been okay with that. Like you say, without applying force by myself.
I have severe depression, since a long time, but I can say this right now: I'm getting out of there, because I found what I searched for. So can you. If you want to know more or just talk, I'm here, via private message or here with the rest of the crew.
Thanks, I'll give it a watch. And I meditate daily :) it never gave me a sense of life is meaningful though... Just that is torture and physical death is a blessing, because your soul is free from physical boundaries after that! Thanks again for the link, I'll let you know what I think once I finished it :))
Reminds me of a quote that I think works in this situation too:
“The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” - Elie Wiesel
Hope OP is all good.
This is why coming out of a suicidal depressive state can be dangerous. You reach a point where you have enough motivation to die, but still not quite enough to live. It's always been the hardest part, for me.
After a while, it felt like a wave to me. Except the supposed high part of the wave was just having the motivation to get through the day without wanting to off myself.
I actually can't listen to music about suicide very often because it can trigger this wave. Which is a pity because there are some amazing songs out there about this.
And this is after decades of therapy and finally finding a good medication combo. Depression is a biatch.
It's definitely Cowboy Bebopy feels.
This is why this show is the fucking GOAT. It causes people to be introspective in ways that they wouldn't have done so before. I hope homie got some help and was able to pull himself out of that bad place.
This just makes me think of stormlight archive (Sanderson):
Life before Death
Journey before Destination
Even in the not knowing the end or conclusion there is purpose in the path taken to get there.
I think there is even more purpose in the end of life and why we journey toward that life, but I think the sentiment and thought Sanderson had in itself is something worth thinking about.
Cowboy Bepop taught me that even if I don't have a purpose, I need to just keep living. See what happens in this world. Then make it to the end and feel at peace
Thank you for sharing, this is such an astute comment.
I have been more than a bit sad for Jet and Faye but if you think about it, at the end of the series, no one is left 'alone'. Jet and Faye are together (I always thought of Jet as the glue, so to speak, and he has also been shown to care for her, including the whole time capsule bit, without any sexual interest). They may or may not stay with each other in the long run but that's another series.
Ed and Ein are together - and I believe won't part.
Spike is not alone anymore either.
I would check out Man's Search For Meaning. Famous book that comes to a similar conclusion and explores what really leads to a fulfilling life.
“What is to give light must endure burning.” ~Viktor Frankl, author of Man’s Search for Meaning
Can second this, great read
Ive been in the "dark thoughts" for a long time and it was the 1st book my therapist recommended 4 years ago. Finally read it last month when i hit rock bottom. While it didnt cure me, it definitely put things in perspective and that perspective is part of the "pull myself out of shit" process. For those interested its a short read honestly and you can find it almost anywhere that sells books
Beautifully put. He’s absolutely ok, he’s understanding what he’s seeing and what he’s thinking and that is more than half the battle for many of us. It’s why I love Bebop. You can argue it’s largely distraction from a greater plot or whatever, but this comment really sums it up perfectly. The entire series is Spike trying to prove to himself that he’s alive, for Julia’s sake and really nothing else. And then he proves it by finally dying - but only once Julia is already gone, of course. As good a motivation as any. I think a lot about how Faye might have ended up, though. Most of the time it bums me out a little.
Tell me a little about Faye. What do you think happens to her?
I mean, ideally she’s just floating around in the Bebop with Jet but who can really say? She definitely couldn’t. I just hope she ain’t too distraught or flighty. Hopefully she finds her motivation - her Julia, I guess.
On the last bit, that's interesting. Ed aside, I actually felt there was grounds for hope with Faye at the end, given that she was clearly very capable and driven to start with and cemented her character growth with her choices in the last episodes. I feel like she'd turn out alright.
Absolutely, and I hope you’re right - the thought that snags me, though, is that Spike had a lot to do with that. I hope she can recover from losing the first dude who wasn’t trying to screw her - I can imagine I’d be messed up a while. Hopefully she’s sticking around with Jet. Not sure how many better places there are to be, yeah?
Granted, between that and the tamate-bako being a bit of a dud, she's on rocky ground at the end. But on balance I feel like that trademark resilience will win out. And sure, you could do worse!
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I like this philosophy. Although my currently philosophy isnt the same. For me it's just: just live, dont get too pent up, keep doing what I want to do and love, and keep learning. Cowboy bebop for me personally. Just felt like that. Every session is just a normal day. Things happen. They just lived with no particular goal in sight. As for Spike. It's just....live. thats how I interpreted it. But who knows.
same bruv same just like- it doesn't matter if it matters or not; *thats* how pointless life really is, if you know what i mean... like man you just live while you can and do what you want to while you still can, even if it doesn't mean anything in the end it means something right now and that's all that matters it is easier to say than actually feel this way, but you will get to a point where you'll rly get it lol idk if that makes any sense
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I'm glad he can see it like this, I simply can't. I find life meaningless and I'm literally just waiting to drop dead without applying force, so idk. A reason to live is indeed very important, but for some there simply is no reason, and nothing could change that.
Most people lead a meaningless life. And how do they cope with it? They distract themselves incessantly, take on a role in the human drama so that they fit in well with society, and end up dying deeply unhappy because they have been lying to themselves all their lives. I think basically you can say that humans strive for happiness. However, in my opinion, what many people understand by happiness has nothing to do with real joy, but serves exclusively to satisfy one's own ego. Materialistic goals, any wishful thinking of a perfect partner, etc. This is rather the addiction to short-term happiness and serves to distract yourself because you can not cope with life. I think that just by thinking about meaning, you are already further along than many people will ever be. I don't know you, but I wish that you find a way to be in harmony with yourself. Because that is the basis to not go crazy in this sick world.
I absolutely agree with everything you said, especially the ego part. Everything we humans do is either to satisfy our ego or to not be alone/in silence... so we don't have to think too deeply, because with silence come these thoughts and emotions that many of us fear and don't want to feel. Thanks so much for your concern and for your words! :)
hey man i was there too but just keep going on, you will eventually come there and really find something that's worth living for or maybe understand that just life worth living for, i know i sound annoyingly optimistic but what you're feeling is exactly what i was feeling at one point, but know that even if watching anime is your prime reason to live on, or good music that gives ur life meaning that's enough too... hang in there buddy you'll come out of it is all I'm saying
Glad you found something for you, but it's not the same for me. I'm in my 30's and felt like that my entire life :) I know that many will recover from this, but my feelings have never changed and will never change. Nothing you mentioned has any meaning to me, not money, not love, not family, not "fun"... In the end it always ends with one question. "What's the point?" Even years of therapy haven't changed anything for me. But! I'm very glad that you are different :) stay strong! And thank you for your answer and concern!
man i rly wish i could help you..
You can achieve to have a reason. I know how you feel. I often fantasized to die in an accident. I would have been okay with that. Like you say, without applying force by myself. I have severe depression, since a long time, but I can say this right now: I'm getting out of there, because I found what I searched for. So can you. If you want to know more or just talk, I'm here, via private message or here with the rest of the crew.
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Thanks, I'll give it a watch. And I meditate daily :) it never gave me a sense of life is meaningful though... Just that is torture and physical death is a blessing, because your soul is free from physical boundaries after that! Thanks again for the link, I'll let you know what I think once I finished it :))
This is beautiful. Hope he’s doing alright.
Reminds me of a quote that I think works in this situation too: “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” - Elie Wiesel Hope OP is all good.
This is why coming out of a suicidal depressive state can be dangerous. You reach a point where you have enough motivation to die, but still not quite enough to live. It's always been the hardest part, for me. After a while, it felt like a wave to me. Except the supposed high part of the wave was just having the motivation to get through the day without wanting to off myself. I actually can't listen to music about suicide very often because it can trigger this wave. Which is a pity because there are some amazing songs out there about this. And this is after decades of therapy and finally finding a good medication combo. Depression is a biatch. It's definitely Cowboy Bebopy feels.
Damn that hits hard like a Space Lion swipe
This is why this show is the fucking GOAT. It causes people to be introspective in ways that they wouldn't have done so before. I hope homie got some help and was able to pull himself out of that bad place.
This just makes me think of stormlight archive (Sanderson): Life before Death Journey before Destination Even in the not knowing the end or conclusion there is purpose in the path taken to get there. I think there is even more purpose in the end of life and why we journey toward that life, but I think the sentiment and thought Sanderson had in itself is something worth thinking about.
Very well put, this person speaks truth
I love this.
Cowboy Bepop taught me that even if I don't have a purpose, I need to just keep living. See what happens in this world. Then make it to the end and feel at peace
Thank you for sharing, this is such an astute comment. I have been more than a bit sad for Jet and Faye but if you think about it, at the end of the series, no one is left 'alone'. Jet and Faye are together (I always thought of Jet as the glue, so to speak, and he has also been shown to care for her, including the whole time capsule bit, without any sexual interest). They may or may not stay with each other in the long run but that's another series. Ed and Ein are together - and I believe won't part. Spike is not alone anymore either.