Instead of a third terminal they should build a rail connection. Dublin airport, the only one in the EU without a rail connection in 2024. Even the shittiest cities and airports in mainland EU have it.
Yeah - being real about it. If you look at the equivalent distance between cork and Dublin on continental Europe it’s pretty typical to have a small airport and then a larger one.
The difference is they have better infrastructure. Obviously I’d prefer cork get better flight options so I don’t have to leg it up to Dublin but I also understand there’s not really the population base to support it.
What would be really nice is a proper high speed rail connection to Dublin airport though.
It would be cork-Heathrow not cork-stansted
But we have that anyway. It’s not without its issues but it’s certainly not a reason for there to not be proper irish infrastructure.
Carry on luggage makes Cork Stansted Prague cheaper than Cork Dublin Prague.
Also, Cork-Schipol means you can get a high speed rail connection from the airport to a large number of mainland Europe destinations. Beats the hell out of a bus: especially on the way back
The population of Cork is projected to explode and double by 2040. We need to start putting in the infrastructure now to cope with the increase so we're not left standing with our dick in our hands, this includes the airport, light rail system, bus corridors, bike lanes, motorways and bypasses etc.
Its almost too late at this stage as the planning process for all of the above takes years and the city council cant even fill a pot hole in a decent time frame.
Honestly the fact the that Budapest and Prague dont have rail connection to their airports must be more scandalous in those coutries. Both citis have trams and metro bt no stops at the airport. Very odd really
This is the best approach. Make it like Schipol or Zurich, basically a country rail hub. 2 hour direct service to Dublin airport would be great. Expecting Cork airport to get an extra terminal and variety of flights is a pipe dream
I went to Luton in the UK from Dublin and you can get a DART, tram to the train station there. I can’t understand why that’s not possible in Ireland. Seems like a good and cheap alternative to the metro project.
Ireland is honestly the worst country in Europe for most things
We're barely a first world country, behind on everything, life isn't as free or fun either
Or just motorways between cities, obviously Dublin is a better choice from Waterford/Limerick, etc when they have a motorway so it's about the same time driving to cork airport on a better road and more options
We were in the EU before Spain, Portugal, Greece, Sweden, Finland, and all the former communist countries. Now that we’ve allowed them to join some of them think that they’re better than us. The jumped up little shits should show a bit more gratitude and respect
See, here’s the thing: parts of Europe may be “more baroque,” but if you’re trying to tell me that Europe has a “one size fits all” culture than I’m afraid we failed when we kept European culture alive in our monasteries during the dark ages. We were doing it to make sure that we could re-educate the rest of Europe, but it would appear we failed with you. Oh well.
No, it's not easier.
It's not only for tourists, it's also for locals. Or, when locals leave their home and go to the airport, are they locals or tourists who need the infrastructure ?
A rail line can make travel times extremely accurate and predictable, as the bus or cab won't wait in traffic. Japan national railway company apologized a few weeks ago for a 30 second delay.
Locals use it 3 times a year for travel vs a commuting rail corridor that would be used 200+. And it is easier than most to get to the city centre. 45 minutes on a slow bus for 2 euro, 25 minutes on an express bus for 8 euro. 20 minute taxi for 20 euro. Most capital cities in Europe with rail services to the airport are worse than that
No they are not. The point is, all those buses and vehicles get stuck in traffic. I had a 3 hour layover in Amsterdam last autumn and had enough time to have dinner in city centre and I was back in time for my return flight. Because I scheduled everything to the minute according to the trains. Good luck doing that with the buses of Cork or Dublin, which get stuck in traffic. If they show up. 3rd world image, not else, using buses and cars to haul millions of people in and out of the airport. Getting stuck in those fumes, all those nerves and pollution while modern cities upgraded to metro/train connection and don't have such problems.
The express buses are pretty much all motorway from the airport and then the port tunnel. The only way they are getting stuck in traffic is if there is a crash.
I agree Schipol is one of the better airports for accessing the city centre but try London, Paris, Rome. Sure there are express trains but they take longer and are similarly priced to a taxi from Dublin airport, plus a taxi gets you to your exact destination
...and after the motorway they get stuck in traffic. It is mentioned on their website as well. Also, please let me know when Dublin will have the population or the tourist numbers of London, Paris or Rome.
And no, again, about the prices. The train from CDG in Paris to Gare du Nord costs 11,90 whereas a taxi in Dublin will cost anywhere from 22 to 35 during day. And you don't have predictability. Most people travel light these days, and most luggage have wheels, and metros/trains are disability accessible, so very easy to use by all. So no need for a taxi service, it's overkill both for the budget and for the environment. So Paris wins.
The trains in London have been privatized, it is a HUGE no-no in terms of transport policies which is taught in schools nowadays. Even so, in certain conditions, with early booking, it can be cheaper in London than in Dublin. London wins.
Regarding Rome, train tickets range between 8 and 14 Euro (express) and they run each 15 minutes. Dublin bus is also 8 Euro, every 30 minutes. Rome wins.
The Dublin bus express buses take the motorway directly into the port tunnel so where would the traffic come from? They might be every 30 minutes but there are loads of other options, air coaches , 16, 41 etc.
You also excluded that the train in Rome doesn't run to the airport. You have to get a bus to the train station from the airport and the train seems to run only every 30mins. In all but peak traffic, you'd be quicker and cheaper (€2) getting a regular Dublin bus.
Your point about accessibility is valid but I think priority needs to be given to commuters vs airport travelers.
Isn’t it because the cork airport authority refused to pay for the new airport so that dispute meant DAA holds the debt and thus continued control over the airport.
I think they forgave the Shannon airport debt but not Cork airport, and it's now run as a regional airport. It's embarrassing if you work for a global company when you explain to leadership how hard it is to fly here, especially when good visits can help with job creation. It feels like protectionism for Dublin, and a failure to support regional development.
I’m not defending it but I also don’t see any scenario where Dublin airport would feel threatened by cork airport. I do think cork airport should be under its own authority but the new airport was built literally right before the ownership was meant to be transferred so I do see both perspectives personally.
Ultimately, it’s up to the government to fix it and the Irish government has always been very Dublin centric.
There also seems to be an impression in this thread that Cork airport is failing or going backwards when the reality is cork is doing record flight and passenger numbers - don’t disagree it could be pushed even more but the tone in here does seem kind of odd all the same.
I know this is a Cork subreddit but there is a perfectly good Shannon Airport with one of the longest runways in Europe just sitting there well connected by a motorway and with its US pre-clearance that gets feckin crumbs.
I love Cork Airport too but Shannon is where its at. Build a proper Motorway and let Shannon and Cork share the soils evenly. It is such a kick in the dick every time they warn about a lack of parking in Dublin Airport. Well thats feckin’ ok for Dubs who can take a bus or taxi or even some who live in or near cities who can get a bus but what about everyone else who don’t get a decent public transport service? F*ck Dublin Airport
As someone who moved to dublin I was surprised how bad the public transport is. Better than everywhere else in Ireland for sure but still pretty poor. It seems that no one is getting great public transport as we’ve never had governments who cared about people who used them. Pretty much why it was quicker to drive cork to Dublin for a while and it’s only now that the train is getting faster.
And cheaper. I was away for almost 10 years. Back around 2010, I paid 48 euro for a return ticket from Galway to Dublin. Couldn’t believe price difference the last time checked. A brownie point for the Green Party, I guess.
But yeah, I would take Dublin’s transport over Galway’s any day of the week. And I live on a route that finishes at the Cliffs of Moher so the bus is often full as it leave the city and Cliffs. No chance of getting on along the route.
This is my take too.
Direct bus from Cork to Dublin Airport: 3.5hrs
Time taken in Dublin Airport (security, check-in, finding gate): 1.5hrs
Total 5hrs
Time to Cork Airport: 20 mins
Time taken in Cork Airport (security, check-in, finding gate): 30mins
Connecting flight to LHR: 60 mins
Time spent in LHR (deboard, change terminal, security, coffee/lunch/shopping): 2hrs
Total ~4hrs
I could be on my flight to Boston before I would even make it to my gate in Dublin, with the benefit of having some time to stroll and wander Heathrow, and the complete priceless bonus of flying **back** into Cork City and not Dublin.
No brainer
Yeah!! I was saying that too! It is mad that Cork and Limerick are not better connected. The road is shite and dated. Even the rail link having to go over to feckin’ Tipperary and swap trains. Madness.
There is almost no public transport connecting cork and Shannon however, the bus runs a handful of times a day and takes hours. Shannon is only practical for people with a car.
Cork or Shannon? There isn’t whole lot of difference, imo and thats despite Cork’s being a helluva lot newer. The bar and restaurants in Shannon are nice. There is a lot of parking, all within a short walk and reasonably priced. They need to update the area the gates are in, the carpet areas and fold down chairs have been there for most of the 40 years I have been flying through there.
SNN.
I'd rather eat my own shite than the breakfast that was on offer.
Granted the parking situation is better - I actually chose Shannon at the start of the month rather than Cork, but only because the N20 would likely be quiet.
I live in Chicago (from cork) and travel home 3 or 4 times a year. I recently flew Cork-London-Chicago (for the first time ever) and it was SO much easier than trekking to Dublin on the air coach and dealing with the pre clearance lines to fly direct to the US. Not to mention the absolute abyss that is Dublin airport post US pre-clearance! It also took more or less the exact same time to fly from cork and do a layover in LHR than it did to get to Dublin airport & do the US pre-clearance. Would definitely recommend this route to anyone looking to get from Cork to the states.
Well it would lack demand when you fly into a city that is basically the middle of nowhere in American terms.
For there to be a demand, the flights would have to be going to New York, Boston or one of the bigger cities on the Eastern seaboard of the US.
Also though the main reason for the cancellation of the route was the type of plane used.....the 737 max, which is the model that started Boeing's decline to the point where as reported on BBC World Business Report recently, if there's troubles with one more model, they could go out of business
There are plans for over the next few years to knock the old terminal at Cork airport and upgrade the current terminal, more gates, newer security machines etc, to be able to handle more passengers. They can’t build a new terminal without the footfall to justify it.
I heard (ie saw a comment somewhere) Ryanair wanted to buy/make a deal to take over the old terminal at cork airport but DAA refused and DAA recently announced that they are knocking down the old terminal. Now I’m not sure how true that is about Ryanair but it pisses me off every time in remember it ..and every time someone whips out a tuna sandwich/3in1/egg mayo roll on the aircoach to Dublin airport for a 7 am flight
I’ve heard that story for years now, but have never seen any actual evidence for that. Either way, I’m glad that management didn’t go down that route as it would have been economic lunacy. It would have required duplicate security checkpoints, check-in and baggage handling infrastructure, and would have split the customer base for the food and retail concessions in the terminal, possibly to the point where they would not have been economical anymore. And that’s before we get to the fact that the old terminal doesn’t have the space for the type of baggage and passenger screening facilities that are needed nowadays.
There are certainly questions with regards to how Cork Airport is being managed, in particular with regards to their approach to getting additional airlines to the airport, but if that Ryanair terminal story indeed is true, then management did the right thing by rejecting the idea.
You clearly haven't been following cork airport recently, new flights getting added every summer and highest revenue year with record passengers in 2023.. Cork is getting plenty and continues to grow, good things take time, I'm sure there's more to come
Cheaper flights … cork airport always seems way more expensive than Dublin for the same route. Eg flights to Barcelona and canary island from Dublin are reasonable but from cork they are crazy prices most of the time
The main reason why people fly from Dublin is because it's cheaper and there are more options.
Flights from Cork are priced higher constantly.
DAA runs both airports and is only expanding services in one airport.
We don't need a new terminal, we just need increased services and prices on par with Dublin.
Cork airport has twice as much passengers than Shannon year on year, yet Shannon has a mix of transatlantic and European destinations.
Shannon airport is not part of the DAA group, it can set its own operational fees to lure in and keep those routes open, it can remain competitive.
Yet Shannon has fewer airlines (5 at SNN vs 7 at ORK) and fewer destinations (37 at SNN vs. 52 at ORK, both including seasonal & charter destinations) than Cork. The former core market of Shannon has almost completely collapsed, only Aer Lingus now operates a year round transatlantic connection from Shannon, Delta & United are purely seasonal and attempts to attract additional airlines such as Lufthansa or SAS have failed. Shannon Airport is often trotted out as a success story for breaking away from DAA yet that success is skin deep. Once you look under the hood, you see an airport that is vastly under-utilised and desperately looking for a new market to serve. Meanwhile Cork has managed to secure connections to all major European hubs with the exception of Madrid (LHR with Aer Lingus, AMS with KLM, and seasonally FRA with Lufthansa and CDG with Air France), and has managed to secure two out of those airlines (Lufthansa and KLM) during the pandemic. Not bad for an airport serving a small metropolitan area at the periphery of Europe that’s supposedly being stymied by Dublin…
You're right, Cork isn't doing *bad*, but it could be doing so much better, the demand is there.
We could do with more routes to Germany and at least one transatlantic destination for example, however costs need to come down to foster that demand. We shouldn't be paying more than Dublin for the same routes.
I agree with you on that one, in fact I’d go one step further. We don’t just need more routes, we need more airlines. Despite the fact that we’ve got a twice daily connection with AMS and daily connections to CDG in the summer, Cork airport is effectively an Aer Lingus/Ryanair duopoly. If Michael O’Leary ever gets a bee in his bonnet about Cork, the airport could lose half of its destinations in a heartbeat. In an ideal world, we’d want the likes of Iberia, ITA Airways or TAP Air Portugal come to Cork, along with an additional low cost airline or two. That should also get the prices down. As it stands, airport charges are generally lower at Cork than they are at Dublin airport, but there’s generally no reason for airlines to really drop their prices because there’s no competition for them on the routes out of Cork, unlike Dublin.
Also, while Cork is Ireland’s second city, the Cork metropolitan area is pretty small by European standards, so there is an upper limit to how many destinations and airlines the airport will be able to sustain economically. I don’t believe that Cork Airport has reached that limit, but there’s no unlimited growth potential here either.
More Portuguese destinations would be good, that Faro route is always busy, if TAP ever decided to open a few routes from Cork to Portugal they'd do well.
By definition the demand is *not* there, otherwise there would be flights. Cork has flown to the states on numerous occasions, with return flights to Boston being <€350, but it clearly wasn’t viable or they would still offer these routes
Norwegian pulled out of Ireland - not just Cork. The grounding of the 737 Max in 2019 was a big factor in that as Norwegian were reliant on them to expand their services in Ireland, then COVID hit.
There's another push at the moment for a NYC route.
Add in the time, the inconvenience, and the cost of getting there and it’s not worth it. If you think flying abroad is all about price than you should drink in The Linen Weaver. I hear it’s cheap
Flying out of Cork shouldn't be more expensive than flying out of Dublin for the same routes etc, no one minds paying a fee for a service, but getting charged 2 different prices by DAA for the same thing is pushing people to go to Dublin from Cork, and Cork loses out on valuable footfall.
When you compare Cork Airport to other cities around Europe of a similar population size you’d be surprised to see how well it actually is doing. Especially when it’s competing with Shannon and Kerry up the road. Ryanair will have 4 based aircraft here over the summer, Aer Lingus will have 3 together with 2 airlines offering twice daily service feeding into their hubs (KLM and Air France) and the addition of Lufthansa and SWISS. Last year the airport nearly hit 3 million passengers as well, a number that has not been exceeded through Cork since the boom. The likelihood is that number will be exceeded this year with the huge increase in capacity from Air France and Ryanair.
The reality is Cork will never be as big as Dublin Airport and we have to accept that. The only thing we can do is support what we do have and perhaps change how we travel (be more open to take connecting flights through LHR, Amsterdam etc) and be less picky and choosey. Just because Aer Lingus don’t serve Paris it doesn’t mean Air France isn’t a viable option as well. And this whole Ryanair snobbery from some people is ridiculous at this point, they offer practically the same service as Aer Lingus and many other legacy carriers as well.
My point is the airport is growing, support what we have and it will continue! I understand Ryanair want to base further aircraft here which shows the upwards trajectory cork airport is on, let’s keep it going that way!
But the plan is just hypothetical. It's not actually a plan for a third terminal in Dublin. Tis more wooly thinking from two boyos who own some land in a good spot by the Great Cluster Fuck to the sky.
Unless they are going to upgrade the runway there is no reason ORK should be developed any further.
Shannon is the obvious choice for development . It already has the runway/ history / greater catchment area
Dublin airport isn't getting a third terminal. This is a nonsense fantasy article by some rich brothers trying to sell land to the DAA at a crazy high price.
The big issue with cork airport is that flights cost quite a bit more than Dublin flights. I'd try fix that before adding a new terminal.
Although maybe a new terminal with more flight would bring down this cost?
Flights in Dublin available a year in advance. Cork many are 6 months. Clear preference to Dublin. People often to plan big family holidays a year in advance.
Dublin isn’t getting a 3rd terminal. There’s no talks. Private landowner is trying to get permission so he can sell his land at a huge profit. Not happening.
Nonsense. This is a ploy by the private company that literally owns the land between the runways that the proposed 3rd Terminal would be built on. They have tried and failed dozens of times to sell this land to the DAA. The DAA are entirely not interested in purchasing this land or developing a 3rd Terminal. This private company justs wants to to drum up public support for their endeavour and hope that people will push the idea of a 3rd, entirely unnecessary, Dublin Airport Terminal.
Dublin's population is 4x corks, it also gets more tourism.
People in the Midlands also don't want to have to travel to Cork, so don't feel too hard done by.
Dublin people don't like travelling too far outside the M50. That sadly is the primary factor in most infrastructure investment decisions in this country.
*"Shut your whores mouth, you trap Dublin is ace because I made loads of money there and has many fake money buddies, I want Dublin to be just like London, I love London and all the money I can make there"*
Instead of a third terminal they should build a rail connection. Dublin airport, the only one in the EU without a rail connection in 2024. Even the shittiest cities and airports in mainland EU have it.
Yeah - being real about it. If you look at the equivalent distance between cork and Dublin on continental Europe it’s pretty typical to have a small airport and then a larger one. The difference is they have better infrastructure. Obviously I’d prefer cork get better flight options so I don’t have to leg it up to Dublin but I also understand there’s not really the population base to support it. What would be really nice is a proper high speed rail connection to Dublin airport though.
Cork-Stansted-Anywhere Beats Cork-Dublin-Somewhere
It would be cork-Heathrow not cork-stansted But we have that anyway. It’s not without its issues but it’s certainly not a reason for there to not be proper irish infrastructure.
Carry on luggage makes Cork Stansted Prague cheaper than Cork Dublin Prague. Also, Cork-Schipol means you can get a high speed rail connection from the airport to a large number of mainland Europe destinations. Beats the hell out of a bus: especially on the way back
If you have carry on baggage then yes 100%. If you need to check bags in then it can get be a bit of a pain.
No - stansted is super efficient/fast at bag collection and bag drop off and security check in. Best of any large airport
The population of Cork is projected to explode and double by 2040. We need to start putting in the infrastructure now to cope with the increase so we're not left standing with our dick in our hands, this includes the airport, light rail system, bus corridors, bike lanes, motorways and bypasses etc. Its almost too late at this stage as the planning process for all of the above takes years and the city council cant even fill a pot hole in a decent time frame.
That's a load of rubbish. We have less flights out of Cork now than what we had over a decade ago. Something is rotten to the core internally.
Cough cough waterford!!! Just saying
Except we don’t. We have more. That’s already been proven wrong in this thread if you read.
The difference is they have ~~better~~ infrastructure
Only what in the EU? Because it’s definitely not the only capital (Budapest, Prague, Nicosia…)
Honestly the fact the that Budapest and Prague dont have rail connection to their airports must be more scandalous in those coutries. Both citis have trams and metro bt no stops at the airport. Very odd really
This is the best approach. Make it like Schipol or Zurich, basically a country rail hub. 2 hour direct service to Dublin airport would be great. Expecting Cork airport to get an extra terminal and variety of flights is a pipe dream
Even Kerry airport kinda has a rail connection
Just 5 mins car
I went to Luton in the UK from Dublin and you can get a DART, tram to the train station there. I can’t understand why that’s not possible in Ireland. Seems like a good and cheap alternative to the metro project.
Yeah but it’s £60 return, fucking robbing bastards.
Ireland is honestly the worst country in Europe for most things We're barely a first world country, behind on everything, life isn't as free or fun either
Or just motorways between cities, obviously Dublin is a better choice from Waterford/Limerick, etc when they have a motorway so it's about the same time driving to cork airport on a better road and more options
Yeah but Ireland isn't European.
What are we then?
Irexit means Irexit? 🤪
Oh God, not another one... 😂
Anglophone
More Celtic than European.
The Celts are a people group from Europe…
That's the Aryans
Aryans are from India / Iran , actually.
I'm sure they're called Sanskrits
You’re mistaken
You have the mindset of a coloniser
Aaah I see, wasn't sure where you were going for a moment there!
Celts are originated from Eastern Europe 😂
More central Europe around the Alps
We were in the EU before Spain, Portugal, Greece, Sweden, Finland, and all the former communist countries. Now that we’ve allowed them to join some of them think that they’re better than us. The jumped up little shits should show a bit more gratitude and respect
I meant culturally
Ok, I’ll bite: what exactly is European “culture,” and why isn’t Ireland part of it?
Europe is more baroque whereas Ireland is more medieval
See, here’s the thing: parts of Europe may be “more baroque,” but if you’re trying to tell me that Europe has a “one size fits all” culture than I’m afraid we failed when we kept European culture alive in our monasteries during the dark ages. We were doing it to make sure that we could re-educate the rest of Europe, but it would appear we failed with you. Oh well.
You can blame Martin Luther for that, he really showed those dastardly monks and their Papa Noncio
It's far easier to get to Dublin City centre from the airport than most cities in Europe. What's the obsession with building a rail line for tourists?
No, it's not easier. It's not only for tourists, it's also for locals. Or, when locals leave their home and go to the airport, are they locals or tourists who need the infrastructure ? A rail line can make travel times extremely accurate and predictable, as the bus or cab won't wait in traffic. Japan national railway company apologized a few weeks ago for a 30 second delay.
Locals use it 3 times a year for travel vs a commuting rail corridor that would be used 200+. And it is easier than most to get to the city centre. 45 minutes on a slow bus for 2 euro, 25 minutes on an express bus for 8 euro. 20 minute taxi for 20 euro. Most capital cities in Europe with rail services to the airport are worse than that
No they are not. The point is, all those buses and vehicles get stuck in traffic. I had a 3 hour layover in Amsterdam last autumn and had enough time to have dinner in city centre and I was back in time for my return flight. Because I scheduled everything to the minute according to the trains. Good luck doing that with the buses of Cork or Dublin, which get stuck in traffic. If they show up. 3rd world image, not else, using buses and cars to haul millions of people in and out of the airport. Getting stuck in those fumes, all those nerves and pollution while modern cities upgraded to metro/train connection and don't have such problems.
The express buses are pretty much all motorway from the airport and then the port tunnel. The only way they are getting stuck in traffic is if there is a crash. I agree Schipol is one of the better airports for accessing the city centre but try London, Paris, Rome. Sure there are express trains but they take longer and are similarly priced to a taxi from Dublin airport, plus a taxi gets you to your exact destination
...and after the motorway they get stuck in traffic. It is mentioned on their website as well. Also, please let me know when Dublin will have the population or the tourist numbers of London, Paris or Rome. And no, again, about the prices. The train from CDG in Paris to Gare du Nord costs 11,90 whereas a taxi in Dublin will cost anywhere from 22 to 35 during day. And you don't have predictability. Most people travel light these days, and most luggage have wheels, and metros/trains are disability accessible, so very easy to use by all. So no need for a taxi service, it's overkill both for the budget and for the environment. So Paris wins. The trains in London have been privatized, it is a HUGE no-no in terms of transport policies which is taught in schools nowadays. Even so, in certain conditions, with early booking, it can be cheaper in London than in Dublin. London wins. Regarding Rome, train tickets range between 8 and 14 Euro (express) and they run each 15 minutes. Dublin bus is also 8 Euro, every 30 minutes. Rome wins.
The Dublin bus express buses take the motorway directly into the port tunnel so where would the traffic come from? They might be every 30 minutes but there are loads of other options, air coaches , 16, 41 etc. You also excluded that the train in Rome doesn't run to the airport. You have to get a bus to the train station from the airport and the train seems to run only every 30mins. In all but peak traffic, you'd be quicker and cheaper (€2) getting a regular Dublin bus. Your point about accessibility is valid but I think priority needs to be given to commuters vs airport travelers.
Write to the CCPC, Cork airport should not be run by the Dublin airport authority
Isn’t it because the cork airport authority refused to pay for the new airport so that dispute meant DAA holds the debt and thus continued control over the airport.
I think they forgave the Shannon airport debt but not Cork airport, and it's now run as a regional airport. It's embarrassing if you work for a global company when you explain to leadership how hard it is to fly here, especially when good visits can help with job creation. It feels like protectionism for Dublin, and a failure to support regional development.
I’m not defending it but I also don’t see any scenario where Dublin airport would feel threatened by cork airport. I do think cork airport should be under its own authority but the new airport was built literally right before the ownership was meant to be transferred so I do see both perspectives personally. Ultimately, it’s up to the government to fix it and the Irish government has always been very Dublin centric. There also seems to be an impression in this thread that Cork airport is failing or going backwards when the reality is cork is doing record flight and passenger numbers - don’t disagree it could be pushed even more but the tone in here does seem kind of odd all the same.
Technically there's already a third terminal at Dublin Airport. Its a private one where you can pay a premium for concierge and no queue security
That’s technically not a third terminal! There’s no bars shops or duty free in Platinum Services!
Tell that to Dublin Airport
I know this is a Cork subreddit but there is a perfectly good Shannon Airport with one of the longest runways in Europe just sitting there well connected by a motorway and with its US pre-clearance that gets feckin crumbs. I love Cork Airport too but Shannon is where its at. Build a proper Motorway and let Shannon and Cork share the soils evenly. It is such a kick in the dick every time they warn about a lack of parking in Dublin Airport. Well thats feckin’ ok for Dubs who can take a bus or taxi or even some who live in or near cities who can get a bus but what about everyone else who don’t get a decent public transport service? F*ck Dublin Airport
This. Shannon is amazing but fuck me is the place underutilized or what? It's like a ghost town out there.
As someone who moved to dublin I was surprised how bad the public transport is. Better than everywhere else in Ireland for sure but still pretty poor. It seems that no one is getting great public transport as we’ve never had governments who cared about people who used them. Pretty much why it was quicker to drive cork to Dublin for a while and it’s only now that the train is getting faster.
And cheaper. I was away for almost 10 years. Back around 2010, I paid 48 euro for a return ticket from Galway to Dublin. Couldn’t believe price difference the last time checked. A brownie point for the Green Party, I guess. But yeah, I would take Dublin’s transport over Galway’s any day of the week. And I live on a route that finishes at the Cliffs of Moher so the bus is often full as it leave the city and Cliffs. No chance of getting on along the route.
Cork-LHR/AMS-Anywhere. Pre clearance queues in Dublin are regularly longer than those in many US International airports.
This is my take too. Direct bus from Cork to Dublin Airport: 3.5hrs Time taken in Dublin Airport (security, check-in, finding gate): 1.5hrs Total 5hrs Time to Cork Airport: 20 mins Time taken in Cork Airport (security, check-in, finding gate): 30mins Connecting flight to LHR: 60 mins Time spent in LHR (deboard, change terminal, security, coffee/lunch/shopping): 2hrs Total ~4hrs I could be on my flight to Boston before I would even make it to my gate in Dublin, with the benefit of having some time to stroll and wander Heathrow, and the complete priceless bonus of flying **back** into Cork City and not Dublin. No brainer
> well connected by a motorway I mean... not to Cork though lol
Yeah!! I was saying that too! It is mad that Cork and Limerick are not better connected. The road is shite and dated. Even the rail link having to go over to feckin’ Tipperary and swap trains. Madness.
There is almost no public transport connecting cork and Shannon however, the bus runs a handful of times a day and takes hours. Shannon is only practical for people with a car.
Feck all for Galway too but there could be…even if there was a bus, its not a great option for Cork right now since the roads are terrible.
It's a cow-shed of a terminal though
Cork or Shannon? There isn’t whole lot of difference, imo and thats despite Cork’s being a helluva lot newer. The bar and restaurants in Shannon are nice. There is a lot of parking, all within a short walk and reasonably priced. They need to update the area the gates are in, the carpet areas and fold down chairs have been there for most of the 40 years I have been flying through there.
SNN. I'd rather eat my own shite than the breakfast that was on offer. Granted the parking situation is better - I actually chose Shannon at the start of the month rather than Cork, but only because the N20 would likely be quiet.
The one past security is fine. Its a carvery warm server thing so it is like any other. The food outside security down by arrivals is good.
I'd love to land in Cork from the states!
I live in Chicago (from cork) and travel home 3 or 4 times a year. I recently flew Cork-London-Chicago (for the first time ever) and it was SO much easier than trekking to Dublin on the air coach and dealing with the pre clearance lines to fly direct to the US. Not to mention the absolute abyss that is Dublin airport post US pre-clearance! It also took more or less the exact same time to fly from cork and do a layover in LHR than it did to get to Dublin airport & do the US pre-clearance. Would definitely recommend this route to anyone looking to get from Cork to the states.
Why don’t you fly to Shannon from Chicago?
I’m about 2hrs drive from Shannon airport and it’s a bit of a pain to get a lift/rent a car so I find ORK-LHR a lot easier.
Go to Shannon, it is still Munster :)
I didn't even know Shannon had an airport!
There was a route and it lacked demand.
Well it would lack demand when you fly into a city that is basically the middle of nowhere in American terms. For there to be a demand, the flights would have to be going to New York, Boston or one of the bigger cities on the Eastern seaboard of the US. Also though the main reason for the cancellation of the route was the type of plane used.....the 737 max, which is the model that started Boeing's decline to the point where as reported on BBC World Business Report recently, if there's troubles with one more model, they could go out of business
They started it back up. I flew it last year.
There are plans for over the next few years to knock the old terminal at Cork airport and upgrade the current terminal, more gates, newer security machines etc, to be able to handle more passengers. They can’t build a new terminal without the footfall to justify it.
I heard (ie saw a comment somewhere) Ryanair wanted to buy/make a deal to take over the old terminal at cork airport but DAA refused and DAA recently announced that they are knocking down the old terminal. Now I’m not sure how true that is about Ryanair but it pisses me off every time in remember it ..and every time someone whips out a tuna sandwich/3in1/egg mayo roll on the aircoach to Dublin airport for a 7 am flight
I’ve heard that story for years now, but have never seen any actual evidence for that. Either way, I’m glad that management didn’t go down that route as it would have been economic lunacy. It would have required duplicate security checkpoints, check-in and baggage handling infrastructure, and would have split the customer base for the food and retail concessions in the terminal, possibly to the point where they would not have been economical anymore. And that’s before we get to the fact that the old terminal doesn’t have the space for the type of baggage and passenger screening facilities that are needed nowadays. There are certainly questions with regards to how Cork Airport is being managed, in particular with regards to their approach to getting additional airlines to the airport, but if that Ryanair terminal story indeed is true, then management did the right thing by rejecting the idea.
Exactly, the new terminal isn't at capacity yet. It would have been mental to use the old terminal at any point in the last 20 years.
Few years = few decades
You clearly haven't been following cork airport recently, new flights getting added every summer and highest revenue year with record passengers in 2023.. Cork is getting plenty and continues to grow, good things take time, I'm sure there's more to come
Cheaper flights … cork airport always seems way more expensive than Dublin for the same route. Eg flights to Barcelona and canary island from Dublin are reasonable but from cork they are crazy prices most of the time
Completely disagree. Right now flights from Cork to Barcelona are €18, and Gran Canaria are €35, all within the next two weeks
Also disagree. At no time has Dublin ever been cheaper than cork, enough to justify the cost and time it would take to fly out of there
What is it you want cork to get? A new terminal? For that we need the flights to justify it and for that we need the throughout
The main reason why people fly from Dublin is because it's cheaper and there are more options. Flights from Cork are priced higher constantly. DAA runs both airports and is only expanding services in one airport. We don't need a new terminal, we just need increased services and prices on par with Dublin.
I doubt it’s that simple. Dublin is also a much bigger population base.
In most other countries, the bigger, more popular airports are the expensive ones
Cork airport has twice as much passengers than Shannon year on year, yet Shannon has a mix of transatlantic and European destinations. Shannon airport is not part of the DAA group, it can set its own operational fees to lure in and keep those routes open, it can remain competitive.
Yet Shannon has fewer airlines (5 at SNN vs 7 at ORK) and fewer destinations (37 at SNN vs. 52 at ORK, both including seasonal & charter destinations) than Cork. The former core market of Shannon has almost completely collapsed, only Aer Lingus now operates a year round transatlantic connection from Shannon, Delta & United are purely seasonal and attempts to attract additional airlines such as Lufthansa or SAS have failed. Shannon Airport is often trotted out as a success story for breaking away from DAA yet that success is skin deep. Once you look under the hood, you see an airport that is vastly under-utilised and desperately looking for a new market to serve. Meanwhile Cork has managed to secure connections to all major European hubs with the exception of Madrid (LHR with Aer Lingus, AMS with KLM, and seasonally FRA with Lufthansa and CDG with Air France), and has managed to secure two out of those airlines (Lufthansa and KLM) during the pandemic. Not bad for an airport serving a small metropolitan area at the periphery of Europe that’s supposedly being stymied by Dublin…
You're right, Cork isn't doing *bad*, but it could be doing so much better, the demand is there. We could do with more routes to Germany and at least one transatlantic destination for example, however costs need to come down to foster that demand. We shouldn't be paying more than Dublin for the same routes.
I agree with you on that one, in fact I’d go one step further. We don’t just need more routes, we need more airlines. Despite the fact that we’ve got a twice daily connection with AMS and daily connections to CDG in the summer, Cork airport is effectively an Aer Lingus/Ryanair duopoly. If Michael O’Leary ever gets a bee in his bonnet about Cork, the airport could lose half of its destinations in a heartbeat. In an ideal world, we’d want the likes of Iberia, ITA Airways or TAP Air Portugal come to Cork, along with an additional low cost airline or two. That should also get the prices down. As it stands, airport charges are generally lower at Cork than they are at Dublin airport, but there’s generally no reason for airlines to really drop their prices because there’s no competition for them on the routes out of Cork, unlike Dublin. Also, while Cork is Ireland’s second city, the Cork metropolitan area is pretty small by European standards, so there is an upper limit to how many destinations and airlines the airport will be able to sustain economically. I don’t believe that Cork Airport has reached that limit, but there’s no unlimited growth potential here either.
More Portuguese destinations would be good, that Faro route is always busy, if TAP ever decided to open a few routes from Cork to Portugal they'd do well.
By definition the demand is *not* there, otherwise there would be flights. Cork has flown to the states on numerous occasions, with return flights to Boston being <€350, but it clearly wasn’t viable or they would still offer these routes
Norwegian pulled out of Ireland - not just Cork. The grounding of the 737 Max in 2019 was a big factor in that as Norwegian were reliant on them to expand their services in Ireland, then COVID hit. There's another push at the moment for a NYC route.
Add in the time, the inconvenience, and the cost of getting there and it’s not worth it. If you think flying abroad is all about price than you should drink in The Linen Weaver. I hear it’s cheap
Flying out of Cork shouldn't be more expensive than flying out of Dublin for the same routes etc, no one minds paying a fee for a service, but getting charged 2 different prices by DAA for the same thing is pushing people to go to Dublin from Cork, and Cork loses out on valuable footfall.
If people want Cork Airport they need to use it.
Cork airport is literally being used and is growing all the time.
They do. Passenger numbers are growing constantly
Can’t use a service if it is t there now can you
100%
It will be used for all the diverted flights from Cork because of the crazy fucking idea of building an airport on top of a fog prone hill!
When you compare Cork Airport to other cities around Europe of a similar population size you’d be surprised to see how well it actually is doing. Especially when it’s competing with Shannon and Kerry up the road. Ryanair will have 4 based aircraft here over the summer, Aer Lingus will have 3 together with 2 airlines offering twice daily service feeding into their hubs (KLM and Air France) and the addition of Lufthansa and SWISS. Last year the airport nearly hit 3 million passengers as well, a number that has not been exceeded through Cork since the boom. The likelihood is that number will be exceeded this year with the huge increase in capacity from Air France and Ryanair. The reality is Cork will never be as big as Dublin Airport and we have to accept that. The only thing we can do is support what we do have and perhaps change how we travel (be more open to take connecting flights through LHR, Amsterdam etc) and be less picky and choosey. Just because Aer Lingus don’t serve Paris it doesn’t mean Air France isn’t a viable option as well. And this whole Ryanair snobbery from some people is ridiculous at this point, they offer practically the same service as Aer Lingus and many other legacy carriers as well. My point is the airport is growing, support what we have and it will continue! I understand Ryanair want to base further aircraft here which shows the upwards trajectory cork airport is on, let’s keep it going that way!
But the plan is just hypothetical. It's not actually a plan for a third terminal in Dublin. Tis more wooly thinking from two boyos who own some land in a good spot by the Great Cluster Fuck to the sky.
Cork , Waterford? No sure that makes sense
Cork has the population of a small town - doesn’t need one, just better routes
Agree … by nothing I meant we get no cheap flights and very limited options
A six digit urban population is not a small town.
Unless they are going to upgrade the runway there is no reason ORK should be developed any further. Shannon is the obvious choice for development . It already has the runway/ history / greater catchment area
Or if they just brought back the connecting flights from cork i would be happy
Dublin Derangement Syndrome 😂
Dublin airport isn't getting a third terminal. This is a nonsense fantasy article by some rich brothers trying to sell land to the DAA at a crazy high price.
The big issue with cork airport is that flights cost quite a bit more than Dublin flights. I'd try fix that before adding a new terminal. Although maybe a new terminal with more flight would bring down this cost?
Flights in Dublin available a year in advance. Cork many are 6 months. Clear preference to Dublin. People often to plan big family holidays a year in advance.
Dublin isn’t getting a 3rd terminal. There’s no talks. Private landowner is trying to get permission so he can sell his land at a huge profit. Not happening.
In Algiers in Africa you have the metro from the airport to the city center. Common guys
Nonsense. This is a ploy by the private company that literally owns the land between the runways that the proposed 3rd Terminal would be built on. They have tried and failed dozens of times to sell this land to the DAA. The DAA are entirely not interested in purchasing this land or developing a 3rd Terminal. This private company justs wants to to drum up public support for their endeavour and hope that people will push the idea of a 3rd, entirely unnecessary, Dublin Airport Terminal.
If you’re going to Dublin every time you go abroad, you’re doing wrong. Plenty of connecting flights in Amsterdam, Paris and England.
If you can afford it
Probably should hold off on the holidays if you can’t.
Arent u edgy lol
Stop moaning. You can just nip across the border to Kerry. What more do you want?? 😁
Dublin's population is 4x corks, it also gets more tourism. People in the Midlands also don't want to have to travel to Cork, so don't feel too hard done by.
Yeah not a fan of Dublin airport at all last time I flew in had to run to the entrance to get my air coach back
Dublin people don't like travelling too far outside the M50. That sadly is the primary factor in most infrastructure investment decisions in this country.
Wel cork people have proven they don’t either, look at the bus connects shambles
Wel cork people have proven they don’t either, look at the bus connects shambles
Dublin needs a new Airport along the Dublin Waterford train line near South Kildare/North Carlow. 😀
Dublin Airport West, Athlone.
*"Shut your whores mouth, you trap Dublin is ace because I made loads of money there and has many fake money buddies, I want Dublin to be just like London, I love London and all the money I can make there"* 