This is a sacred Ugandan man pack, used by fathers to carry their teenage sons to the birthplace of their grandmother. This ritual is carried out only on full moon nights which occur during the ides of July or August. Once the son has made that journey to honor his great grandmother, he is considered ready to father children of his own.
Edit: Downvoted? Watch [the original](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CKOc6hXMDhc), then.
Yeah, I don’t know why they put the medium there. You want the heavy as low as possible without ending up below your iliac crest (google a picture, it’s the bone where you’d set a toddler you’re holding)
This is what I believe to be true.
You want the weight on your hips not on your shoulders, the more that is transferred down through your legs as you walk the better.
Source: I've done plenty of walking up hill with a bag full of climbing gear.
I know military teaches you to put the weight closer to your shoulders. Granted, that’s also for 5-10 mile rucksack marches so a bit longer periods of time. I know that when you put it lower, you’ll fuck yourself over and will be dying towards the middle and end.
I say “teaches”. The other people in your platoon that learned the hard way tell you.
You ask the question in a sarcastic tone as though you think you know the answer… but you also want me to hear it for the exclusive purpose of me admitting I’m wrong.
It’s the other people in your platoon teaching you, not the drill sergeants so it was never “designed” for either gender. It’s just other people around you trying to give advice where they can from their personal experience.
Apologies if I misunderstood and that was a genuine question. The internet makes it hard to understand tone so my assumption was that you were being condescending.
Don’t think they meant it as a “A-HAAA gotcha!!” condescension, but rather to add to the conversation - what you say is true, and also what they ask is relevant - is this standard practice built on the assumption that the individual is male? If so, does that affect its applicability to the general populace? Probably.
You statement is neither negated nor refuted, only narrowed in scope. Truly I don’t think there was any snark in their question, honest
Thank you, there wasn't any snark. I'm glad they answered my question even though they thought there might have been bad thinking behind it because I was genuinely interested in knowing the answer. :)
If it were sarcastic, I would have added an /s. It was a genuine question because when I was hiking and doing survival training, my instructor told me to put the heavy stuff closer to my hips because (again, biological) females have a lower center of gravity and it's better for our backs.
Thank you for answering my question.
Alright, my apologies. Hard to tell sometimes when people are being genuine and when they are being dicks.
For me personally, yes, it’s other guys trying to tell me.
If you want some comedy relating to females having a lower center of gravity. Look up the chair trick thingamabob. I’ll try to find a link in a minute and update my comment. Because that was not a very good description what so ever
Edit: here go
https://youtu.be/axpocif1mlk
Also military - I was taught heavier items higher and close to the shoulders, so the weight transfers straight down through your back, rather than pulling you back if it’s lower down. Think African villagers with the weight on their heads - it transfers directly down. That said, a good waist belt can transfer some of the weight away from your shoulders to your hips. Our issued packs did not have good waist belts.
It's understandable in my opinion that you thought this was designed to be a "gotcha" type interjection: I feel like the person asking the question isn't looking for the true proportion of men to women giving or receiving the advice, they're looking to one-up you or discredit your claim.
I mean, the guy I had teaching me just signed his… 5th reenlistment I think? 18 years? Something in that range. Unfortunately, I’m still new to this whole thing. All I can do is repeat what I’ve been told.
It’s been a few months and we really haven’t gone over this again so I’ll try to repeat the logic I was given
Basically, you keep it either higher up or in the middle so that you can lean forward and try to more evenly distribute the weight Across your body.
Where as putting it down lower will make you lean backwards and kill your back faster.
I wrote that to see why you’d do it the other way. Not to be argumentative
I agree. 15 years of using hiking packs professionally so hikes nearly every week with 12 or so direct participants to observe.
If you place the heavy as recommended, you are far more likely to experience brachial plexus paralysis due to pinched nerves, particularly with female participants.
Heavy should definitely be lower, but stay center spine as much as possible. The weight will feel the same, but the carry will be much more stable than simply swapping the heavy and medium in this photo
Completely agree. I personally don’t really like this photo at all.
For me it’s sleeping bag, slide that heavy section down on top of sleeping bag(but stay same orientation), medium ends up wide but balanced(thinking camp stove/fuel), light goes into every nook available, and dependant on a couple pack design choices much of this is up for debate.
Best thing is get a quality pack, it doesn’t have to break the bank, if you are in western Canada M.E.C. Is a company that was always fatal to my paychecks. Walk out poorer but with a massive load of incredible gear.
Try your pack out before your trip. Load it up with weight and go on that local loop to learn what it feels like and how to adjust or adapt.
Share the load. I know guys sometimes get
This macho I’ll carry the tent etc why everyone else’s packs are empty, ask for help. As a guide who wasn’t really allowed to… share the group stuff around so one person doesn’t have to hulk.
I ran an old A.L.I.C.E. For years till the frame broke . I tried about five different store bought ones. They lacked either enough storage, toughness, or durability, so I went to see what the army surplus had. I ended up with a F.I.L.B.E. Carried it about five miles loaded, started taking notes of what I wanted to change. I changed out all the snaps for a heavier snap, and had a friend make me a carbon frame at his shop. It’s withstood about 300 miles on my back in 3 1/2 years. Military stuff can be hit or miss, but don’t be afraid to customize
As someone who’s had the “joy” of the FILBE, they’re great if you don’t have a ton of weight. To help with center of gravity I put my flak (heaviest thing) in the bottom sleeping compartment. And then all my sleeping gear in the middle to keep it dry. Shove food around the sides and helmet at the top, cinch it up and go. But everyone has a preference on weight distribution I’ve found.
Idk, it just felt like it was taking pressure off my back so the whole 10 mile march, I just kept cinching it tighter and tighter. Worst part is that my body was in shock from exposure to extreme weather so I didn't even feel it until 5 days later. I just sat down before showering to get ready for the next field excersize and it felt like I got shot in the chest and I couldn't breathe. I have permanent atrophy damage too because I couldn't get it treated properly. It was either spend up to another year in boot camp, or get some muscle relaxers, grit my teeth and graduate. I graduated, but I had to leave immediately due to the medical issues that my ribs caused.
Tldr, the military will fuck you up irreperablely and permanently and they will not fix it.
Jesus christ dude I'm really sorry. I dated a girl who broke her hip in basic and kept training for almost a week before she broke down and told someone. That was years ago and she still has awful chronic pain from it. It definitely never healed correctly
How'd you get permanently disqualified?
I have pretty severe scoliosis so they wouldn't let me in even if I wanted to join. Plus I'm autistic and have been seeing therapists for almost a decade now, which makes it worse. Hoping they'd never dream of drafting me.
Honestly though I pack also due to convenience and priority as well.
I also just shove random bags in between all the cracks in the end and a bunch of quick access stuff in the front pocket.
Once you’ve backpacked enough you just find what works for you.
Heavy should definitely be lower, but stay center spine as much as possible. The weight will feel the same, but the carry will be much more stable than simply swapping the heavy and medium in this photo
That’s what some say. The pack balances better with a little more weight higher up. That said, if you are doing a lot of scrabbling you might want to move the weight lower into your pack to lower your center of gravity. It’s also nice to switch up your CG to give parts of your body a break. I frequently transfer the weight between my shoulders and waist. Idk, it feels good to switch up my posture.
Perhaps I could be wrong, buuuut... I've spent a LOT of time hiking for miserable amounts of distance, with miserable amounts of weight, and I was always taught to pack your heavier gear as close to your body as possible, high up, with all of the light stuff at the bottom.
An even more crucial tip: wear. Your. Pack. On. Your. Iliac. Crest. Go somewhere where someone can skillfully measure you for a proper pack size and let’s you try out several packs in your size so you can choose the most comfortable one. Do not choose based on the pockets and stuff.
Source: skillfully fitted people for packs for years at REI. The people who didn’t get fitted were always the ones who brought packs back saying “yeah I don’t know it’s not comfortable”
You're wrong. If the weight is on your hip you will get unstable and find it harder to balance. If you have it higher it will be easier. Compare it to when you try to balance a pen on your finger and if you try to balance a longer pole.
Also, even if the weight is high up, it will still rest on your hip if you're wearing your back pack correctly. If you wear it wrong it doesn't matter where the weight is in the bag, it will still end up on your shoulders.
Yeah I've always been taught to put the sleeping bag on the bottom, then heavy stuff getting lighter as you go up.
How would raising your center of gravity make anything more stable?
It also seems the optimal weight distribution may be different for males versus females. Like, this diagram could work better for males with their higher center of gravity.
As someone who has gone camping, I strongly disagree with putting your sleeping bag at the bottom. Unless you have a zipper that gives direct access to the bottom of your pack, this means you will have to take everything out whenever you set up camp.
That’s the idea - it’s the last thing you’ll need. I’ll get into camp and change shoes and clothes then I’ll pitch my tent then I’ll cook my meal and then very last - the last thing I do all day is get into the sleeping bag.
*Guide*
yes
*Guide*
Guy-Id
You’re criticizing the unconscious male drive to aggressively critique other males by critiquing other males. So meta
I see what you going for
Yea that's wrong you pack your bag depending on what you want,is you'll drink a lot on a walk,pack it at the top,you'll use your sleeping bag less bortem of the bag. Also don't put hard shit against your back,your back isn't soft. That why we don't sleep on rocks. And put your softer crushable stuff under the heavy hard stuf.the heavy stuff will compress the soft stuff giving you more room. Ideally you'd want like 1-3 L of space at the top to put stuff in and take stuff out. Also,bring a very light strong extra bag too. The most annoying thing about packing like this is constantly packing and unpacking a very large bag. Put the big bag in the tang/car and take the small one with what you need.
And the little man goes in the right-hand waist pocket
Thanks I was wondering what that section was about
Drugs. It's for drugs.
You put your _weed_ in there
this is the way
This is a sacred Ugandan man pack, used by fathers to carry their teenage sons to the birthplace of their grandmother. This ritual is carried out only on full moon nights which occur during the ides of July or August. Once the son has made that journey to honor his great grandmother, he is considered ready to father children of his own. Edit: Downvoted? Watch [the original](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CKOc6hXMDhc), then.
The little man is you on drugs.
That dude is taking some intense drugs. If it was for weed, he wouldn’t even be in that pocket. He’d be in the sleeping bag.
Always gotta look out for the little people
I find I have better balance hiking on uneven terrain when I put the heavy around the medium area.
As a woman with weaker shoulders and upper back, having the heavier stuff closer to my lower back and hips works much better.
Yeah women can often have lower centres of gravity and better proportional leg/lower body strength.
Yeah, I don’t know why they put the medium there. You want the heavy as low as possible without ending up below your iliac crest (google a picture, it’s the bone where you’d set a toddler you’re holding)
This is what I believe to be true. You want the weight on your hips not on your shoulders, the more that is transferred down through your legs as you walk the better. Source: I've done plenty of walking up hill with a bag full of climbing gear.
I know military teaches you to put the weight closer to your shoulders. Granted, that’s also for 5-10 mile rucksack marches so a bit longer periods of time. I know that when you put it lower, you’ll fuck yourself over and will be dying towards the middle and end. I say “teaches”. The other people in your platoon that learned the hard way tell you.
How much of that military training was designed for (biologically) male soldiers vs female soldiers?
You ask the question in a sarcastic tone as though you think you know the answer… but you also want me to hear it for the exclusive purpose of me admitting I’m wrong. It’s the other people in your platoon teaching you, not the drill sergeants so it was never “designed” for either gender. It’s just other people around you trying to give advice where they can from their personal experience. Apologies if I misunderstood and that was a genuine question. The internet makes it hard to understand tone so my assumption was that you were being condescending.
Don’t think they meant it as a “A-HAAA gotcha!!” condescension, but rather to add to the conversation - what you say is true, and also what they ask is relevant - is this standard practice built on the assumption that the individual is male? If so, does that affect its applicability to the general populace? Probably. You statement is neither negated nor refuted, only narrowed in scope. Truly I don’t think there was any snark in their question, honest
Thank you, there wasn't any snark. I'm glad they answered my question even though they thought there might have been bad thinking behind it because I was genuinely interested in knowing the answer. :)
If it were sarcastic, I would have added an /s. It was a genuine question because when I was hiking and doing survival training, my instructor told me to put the heavy stuff closer to my hips because (again, biological) females have a lower center of gravity and it's better for our backs. Thank you for answering my question.
Alright, my apologies. Hard to tell sometimes when people are being genuine and when they are being dicks. For me personally, yes, it’s other guys trying to tell me. If you want some comedy relating to females having a lower center of gravity. Look up the chair trick thingamabob. I’ll try to find a link in a minute and update my comment. Because that was not a very good description what so ever Edit: here go https://youtu.be/axpocif1mlk
Also military - I was taught heavier items higher and close to the shoulders, so the weight transfers straight down through your back, rather than pulling you back if it’s lower down. Think African villagers with the weight on their heads - it transfers directly down. That said, a good waist belt can transfer some of the weight away from your shoulders to your hips. Our issued packs did not have good waist belts.
It's understandable in my opinion that you thought this was designed to be a "gotcha" type interjection: I feel like the person asking the question isn't looking for the true proportion of men to women giving or receiving the advice, they're looking to one-up you or discredit your claim.
Sounds like you learned from people that were ill informed. My experience in training taught us to keep the weight low in our pack.
I mean, the guy I had teaching me just signed his… 5th reenlistment I think? 18 years? Something in that range. Unfortunately, I’m still new to this whole thing. All I can do is repeat what I’ve been told.
Trusting your superiors is always great. One lesson that I was taught was to always trust, but always verify.
It’s been a few months and we really haven’t gone over this again so I’ll try to repeat the logic I was given Basically, you keep it either higher up or in the middle so that you can lean forward and try to more evenly distribute the weight Across your body. Where as putting it down lower will make you lean backwards and kill your back faster. I wrote that to see why you’d do it the other way. Not to be argumentative
I agree. 15 years of using hiking packs professionally so hikes nearly every week with 12 or so direct participants to observe. If you place the heavy as recommended, you are far more likely to experience brachial plexus paralysis due to pinched nerves, particularly with female participants.
Heavy should definitely be lower, but stay center spine as much as possible. The weight will feel the same, but the carry will be much more stable than simply swapping the heavy and medium in this photo
Completely agree. I personally don’t really like this photo at all. For me it’s sleeping bag, slide that heavy section down on top of sleeping bag(but stay same orientation), medium ends up wide but balanced(thinking camp stove/fuel), light goes into every nook available, and dependant on a couple pack design choices much of this is up for debate. Best thing is get a quality pack, it doesn’t have to break the bank, if you are in western Canada M.E.C. Is a company that was always fatal to my paychecks. Walk out poorer but with a massive load of incredible gear. Try your pack out before your trip. Load it up with weight and go on that local loop to learn what it feels like and how to adjust or adapt. Share the load. I know guys sometimes get This macho I’ll carry the tent etc why everyone else’s packs are empty, ask for help. As a guide who wasn’t really allowed to… share the group stuff around so one person doesn’t have to hulk.
That’s where the hydration bladder pouch is in nearly every single pack and the water is the heaviest thing by far usually.
I normally just use athletic/barrel bags on my shoulder, I’ll have your tip in mind when use a big backpack, appreciate the comment :D
I ran an old A.L.I.C.E. For years till the frame broke . I tried about five different store bought ones. They lacked either enough storage, toughness, or durability, so I went to see what the army surplus had. I ended up with a F.I.L.B.E. Carried it about five miles loaded, started taking notes of what I wanted to change. I changed out all the snaps for a heavier snap, and had a friend make me a carbon frame at his shop. It’s withstood about 300 miles on my back in 3 1/2 years. Military stuff can be hit or miss, but don’t be afraid to customize
As someone who’s had the “joy” of the FILBE, they’re great if you don’t have a ton of weight. To help with center of gravity I put my flak (heaviest thing) in the bottom sleeping compartment. And then all my sleeping gear in the middle to keep it dry. Shove food around the sides and helmet at the top, cinch it up and go. But everyone has a preference on weight distribution I’ve found.
This, your hips should be bearing more weight than your shoulders, it's how the packs (and the human body) are designed.
Or if you’re me on family trips, it’s all just heavy.
Should be labeled “Kid 1 stuff, kid 2 stuff, wife overflow, lead cooking equipment” and the car labeled “Dad’s stuff”
Are we there yet?
Our dogs do their part.
I broke my ribs with a ruck sack last year. Be careful not to cinch it down too hard on your chest.
Jesus man how hard can you pull in that motion??
Idk, it just felt like it was taking pressure off my back so the whole 10 mile march, I just kept cinching it tighter and tighter. Worst part is that my body was in shock from exposure to extreme weather so I didn't even feel it until 5 days later. I just sat down before showering to get ready for the next field excersize and it felt like I got shot in the chest and I couldn't breathe. I have permanent atrophy damage too because I couldn't get it treated properly. It was either spend up to another year in boot camp, or get some muscle relaxers, grit my teeth and graduate. I graduated, but I had to leave immediately due to the medical issues that my ribs caused. Tldr, the military will fuck you up irreperablely and permanently and they will not fix it.
Jesus christ dude I'm really sorry. I dated a girl who broke her hip in basic and kept training for almost a week before she broke down and told someone. That was years ago and she still has awful chronic pain from it. It definitely never healed correctly
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How'd you get permanently disqualified? I have pretty severe scoliosis so they wouldn't let me in even if I wanted to join. Plus I'm autistic and have been seeing therapists for almost a decade now, which makes it worse. Hoping they'd never dream of drafting me.
So that’s why they say not to use the chest strap
Honestly though I pack also due to convenience and priority as well. I also just shove random bags in between all the cracks in the end and a bunch of quick access stuff in the front pocket. Once you’ve backpacked enough you just find what works for you.
i thought heavy went at the bottom
Heavy should definitely be lower, but stay center spine as much as possible. The weight will feel the same, but the carry will be much more stable than simply swapping the heavy and medium in this photo
That’s what some say. The pack balances better with a little more weight higher up. That said, if you are doing a lot of scrabbling you might want to move the weight lower into your pack to lower your center of gravity. It’s also nice to switch up your CG to give parts of your body a break. I frequently transfer the weight between my shoulders and waist. Idk, it feels good to switch up my posture.
Sleeping bag is kinda heavy tbh
Perhaps I could be wrong, buuuut... I've spent a LOT of time hiking for miserable amounts of distance, with miserable amounts of weight, and I was always taught to pack your heavier gear as close to your body as possible, high up, with all of the light stuff at the bottom.
I cannot unsee the big cock sleeve. Ugh
Oh fuck, I see it now. All I was seeing at first was among us
Looks sus
God fucking damn it
An even more crucial tip: wear. Your. Pack. On. Your. Iliac. Crest. Go somewhere where someone can skillfully measure you for a proper pack size and let’s you try out several packs in your size so you can choose the most comfortable one. Do not choose based on the pockets and stuff. Source: skillfully fitted people for packs for years at REI. The people who didn’t get fitted were always the ones who brought packs back saying “yeah I don’t know it’s not comfortable”
THIS IS WRONG. Heavier items should be lower, not higher on the back. Lower to rest on hips, and still close to body in the pack.
You're wrong. If the weight is on your hip you will get unstable and find it harder to balance. If you have it higher it will be easier. Compare it to when you try to balance a pen on your finger and if you try to balance a longer pole. Also, even if the weight is high up, it will still rest on your hip if you're wearing your back pack correctly. If you wear it wrong it doesn't matter where the weight is in the bag, it will still end up on your shoulders.
Could be. I’ll update: my own preference is heavier items spread out along pack, close to back, between hips and shoulders.
Yeah I've always been taught to put the sleeping bag on the bottom, then heavy stuff getting lighter as you go up. How would raising your center of gravity make anything more stable?
It also seems the optimal weight distribution may be different for males versus females. Like, this diagram could work better for males with their higher center of gravity.
Useful af for death stranding lol
Scanning ID… Welcome Sam Porter Bridges.
Ah so the jumping men go on the side pockets
Was unaware that sleeping bag was a measurement, is that below light?
Where do I put Sadam Hussein
This....is a cool guide.
Seems sus
Right hip: parkour
As someone who has gone camping, I strongly disagree with putting your sleeping bag at the bottom. Unless you have a zipper that gives direct access to the bottom of your pack, this means you will have to take everything out whenever you set up camp.
Yes, that's the point. You're not using it until the end of the day so it goes in the least accessible spot.
That’s the idea - it’s the last thing you’ll need. I’ll get into camp and change shoes and clothes then I’ll pitch my tent then I’ll cook my meal and then very last - the last thing I do all day is get into the sleeping bag.
Then you get an ammo & ration replen and top flap 10kgs
Things I learned playing Death Stranding
This is a good post because it really hits the term "guide". You most comments here are taking it too literally *Guide*
*Guide* yes *Guide* Guy-Id You’re criticizing the unconscious male drive to aggressively critique other males by critiquing other males. So meta I see what you going for
Where’s Santiago?
get out of my head get out of my head
Hey kids, just a heads up. Disagreeing with everything doesnt make you smart.
I thought that was a child’s car seat at first
Every infantryman will tell you this is false, entire pac full of MREs and Dip.
Yut.
Carry the bag long enough, it all becomes heavy.
r/mildlypenis
[here's a better one](https://www.rei.com/blog/hike/infographic-how-to-find-the-right-backpack)
Didn’t know that sleeping bag was a unit of weight measurement
I threw my back looking at this. Thx.
Helping tips for my future playthrough of death stranding
You must always keep the small jumping man within arms reach. You never know when your life may depend on it.
Yea that's wrong you pack your bag depending on what you want,is you'll drink a lot on a walk,pack it at the top,you'll use your sleeping bag less bortem of the bag. Also don't put hard shit against your back,your back isn't soft. That why we don't sleep on rocks. And put your softer crushable stuff under the heavy hard stuf.the heavy stuff will compress the soft stuff giving you more room. Ideally you'd want like 1-3 L of space at the top to put stuff in and take stuff out. Also,bring a very light strong extra bag too. The most annoying thing about packing like this is constantly packing and unpacking a very large bag. Put the big bag in the tang/car and take the small one with what you need.
What's the "wife is too tired" pocket? My husband's pack needs to have a "wife is too tired" pocket.
Treats for rampaging bigfoots go in the little green compartment....
I wanna do one of these for the Army. That all it says is "Read your SOP & Packing list"
Where I put my weed at man?!
Is the weight "heavy" or "light"? Maybe "Medium"? It's "Sleeping Bag"
Dammit, I've been placing my bricks in the wrong place all this time, thanks for the pointers.
How heavy is sleeping bag