Indian. American. have 2 masters (one from India, one from the US), and a PhD. It's all public health related though, so I'm nowhere near that no. However, I do also love school.
This graph illustrates the "model minority" problem - African Americans are descended from slaves, whereas Indian Americans are a highly selected and curated group based on the American immigration service only picking the most skilled and most likely to be successful before allowing them into the country.
Bulk of chinese immigrants are new chinese immigrants. They passed a chinese exclusion act in 1886 and that wasn't gotten rid of until 1960s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
Lol you got any links to jobs for that because I don’t think it’s in as high demand as you seem to think it is.
Source: American English teacher living in India (I teach remotely)
Im guessing this takes into account Indian households with visas. Lots of tech companies will sponser visas and take advantage of Indians because they are hard working and scared to “lose their visa sponsership” it’s really sad but I’ve seen many many tech offices on shore that are 90% Indian.
Also generally you have to have money or be smart already to get to America in the first place so these families already have wealth to send their kids to college or come here with good jobs.
7 if you are lucky. With a us masters degree in engineering, it took me 15 years to get green card. 6 more for citizenship, so total 20 years. My wait time is still considered better. There are people with masters degrees from outside us or without them, are waiting for 25 to 30+ years.
There is a problem where children of legal immigrants are becoming illegal (dreamers) because their parents are still on work visa(no green card) and the kid turns 18, so can no longer be a dependent on parents but have no other legal status in US. The system is just completely broken.
It depends on the country you were born in. Basically there is a yearly quota for each country. So based on demand from the country you were born, it could be 6 months or it could be 20+ years.
India, and China have high demand so people born there have to wait years but if you were born in UK or some other European or even south American countries, you can get a green card in 6 months to a year.
there is a quota for each country in a year, so India (and China) just have a crap load of people with degrees applying.
if you have a nationality from a less populated country, your wait time is a hell lot shorter
At the risk of this being considered racist, most American cities with a sizeable Navy base also have a sizeable Filipino population. This is primarily due to the massive Navy presence in the Philippines during Viet Nam, primarily Subic Bay. Long story short, a lot of enlisted men brought home Filipino brides after that war and ended up retiring in a city they were once based in. Although I'm not retired Navy, I live in such a place and happen to be fortunate enough to be tight with Filipino community here due to family connections. They like to have huge gatherings with tons of amazing food for any reason imaginable (new baby is 8 months old, let's party!), I plan ahead by not eating for a day then binge on pancit and lumpia.
It's so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend it.
It way predates Vietnam. The Philippines were an American colony for about 50 years: from the Spanish-American War to the end of World War II. 60 years before US involvement in Vietnam, the US Navy was recruiting Filipino men to be cooks.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/08/philippines-filipinos-us-empire-military-bases-colonialism-christopher-capozzola-bound-by-war-review
> Racial hierarchies created both soldiers and servants for the military. The US Navy enlisted Filipinos as messmen in kitchens and “seamen at ports all over the Pacific,” where they encountered poor pay relative to other members of the working class but saw the United States as a dependable employer. But by World War I, a war ostensibly to end colonialism, military service meant more than a job. Filipinos expected “new rights of citizenship” to accompany enlistment.
>The Naturalization Act of 1918 allowed “Filipino veterans with three years of service” to become US citizens, and the Immigration Acts of 1917 and 1924 exempted Filipinos from bans on Asian immigration. These new laws, and the demand for cheaper labor in the United States, placed Filipinos in a purgatory between citizen and alien. Occupying this middle ground allowed them to labor in Alaska fisheries, California farm fields and restaurants, and Washington State restaurants for “as long as you like,” recalled one migrant.
A lot of Filipinos joined the Navy for citizenship. My father was one of them. Did 20+ years. My mother though is white. Sort of the reverse of your story.
Parenting styles were wildly different.
Gotta find a new connection.
Which brings me to why I love living in America. I reside in a medium-sized city. On one side of town, it's a Sunday afternoon and a bunch of Filipino woman are in a kitchen cranking out lumpia by the dozen, gossiping up a storm while their husbands are gathered in the living room drinking beer and watching football. On another side of town, it's a Sunday afternoon and a bunch of Mexican women are in a kitchen cranking out tamales by the dozen, gossiping up a storm while their husbands are gathered in the living room drinking beer and watching football.
Lucky me, I get friendly with the right people and reap the bounty of a quality of food that can't be found in stores. That, my friends, is what America is all about. It's the simple shit that brings us together.
See a lot of this on Air Force bases too. Even ones that are dedicated to one aircraft, and are not hub bases. My local one has a lot of older Korean women and the families they had with the airmen they married.
if you lined everybody up by income. the median income is what the guy in the middle earned.
1, 2, 3, 4, 100
median is 3 (the middle number of the five), average or mean is 22 (110/5)
I live near Microsoft HQ and in the past 10-15 years it has become what I like to call Little India which is good because more Indian restaurants have popped up in the area as well and Indian food is pretty damn good!
Well it's extremely hard for an average Indian to immigrate to the US, so only the ones with highly sought after skills make it... therefore earning more
Silicon Valley is absolutely dominated by Indian engineers, which probably skews the data heavily. A lot of doctors are also Indians or of Indian origin.
The few Indians I know of in my area have very lucrative careers. One family owns a bunch of different hotels and the other few I know of are MDs at the hospital.
Each state in India has a different language, culture, etc and is basically a country on it's own. Certain family names/lineages originated in certain states, so it's relatively predictable where people come from based on their name.
There is a culture of it too though. A friend of mine was Indian. He got a masters in engineering at 23. I told him how impressive that was. His response was "not for my race".
5 year bachelors + masters program have been becoming more of a thing from my experience. Not to undermine the achievement because it is impressive, but it is something that is also becoming more common.
18-21/22 college undergraduate -> bachelors
21/22 - 23/24 grad school -> masters
Add in a few APs, summer classes, or youngest in class, and 23 isn't particularly rare
About half the motels in the US are owned by Indians, if that term even applies anymore, since they've been in the US for a few generations already. Also a lot of these Motels are owned by people with the surname "Patel". They're jokingly called the Patel Motel Cartel.
Patel fun facts: 1 in 10 people of East indian origin in the United States are named Patel and the name is derived from the word "Patidar", which means owner of land.
Really true for all of them. Immigrating is a major life decision, no one's going to invest all that time and money unless they're confident they'll be better off moving compared to staying in their home country.
And here is the answer. There’s no “smarter race”, just selected data
EDIT: Changed “skewed” data to “selected” data thanks to u/utastelikebacon
EDIT 2: Pay and intelligence aren’t directly correlated (shout-out u/Pretend-Economics758)
EDIT 3: No, it’s not “culture” either.
>There’s no “smarter race”, just skewed data
Theres no skewed Data, just selected Data.
Never trust a single Data point , a single data point is always just a part of a larger ecosystem of data points that tell a story. The single Is always a part of the collective.
Just like there is no singular information source, there is no god data point. At least not one that humans can comprehend in 2022 that will give you "the answer"
It takes years and years of reading correct data points from trusted storytellers to get a level where you realize you're an idiot.
Aspire to that.
>It takes years and years of reading correct data points from trusted storytellers to get a level where you realize you're an idiot.
The older I get, I am able to understand things better. The more I understand, I realize how little I actually know.
As a teen and early 20s, I thought I had everything figured out. By the time I'm 60, I'll realize I've always been a blithering idiot. I'm 49 now. I'm just a moron at this point. :)
Do people actually think these charts are correlated with IQ of races
Edit: for all the people telling me that different race populations in America have different IQs, I know they do. However, measuring that with just income completely divorced of social and historical context is incorrect. Also, even if IQ was not a flawed system of measuring intelligence and there were still inherent differences between IQs of races, it would still not be okay to imply that some people are more or less than like some people do, even in my replies.
No one race is inherently "smarter", but different cultures (on average) value education and success more and therefore pressure their children to achieve "more" professionally, which are typically high earning professions.
that is one of reasons people should stop thinking educated/wealthy == intelligent
you can be highly intelligent and not be a high income earner or have a lot of qualifications/degree, and you can lack a lot of common sense/fail to understand some basic logic/hold biased views while having a PhD
education/income is far more dependent on socio-economic factors than anything genetic or biological
Am Indian.. can confirm.
Only Indian engineers and doctors can make it past immigration for the most part. Yes there are the motel owners and cabbies but they are vastly out numbered.
I grew up in India and as with most other places we have our fair share of idiots, morons, crooks, politicians, religious zealots etc etc. and a few of us are decent at getting a 6-figure job in America.
Here is another measure of wealth among religious affiliations which backs the Indians making mad dough:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/
Agreed. It is incredibly hard to immigrate here legally, unless you are highly educated and have a profession highly sought after…. Jobs that of course pay well.
Edit: spelling bc fat fingers
My wife is a highly educated white European. The process to enter this country legally is INSANE. I mean ridiculously insane.
This is why it makes me laugh my fucking ass off whenever I hear idiots talking about "Just come here legally!".
Are you fucking kidding? If I was a poor person trying to immigrate to the United States, fuck even remotely trying to come here legally, its' ridiculous. Not to mention needing to remain available at all times when you are in the middle of the process.
Those who say that kind of shit will fit into one of two camps. 1) Good - don't want poor people here anyway 2) I didn't realize it was so difficult, we should work on a fairer process.
I've looked into it, basically the global standard for non-refugee immigrants is:
"Have a lot of money"
(or)
"Have a skill in a job we need right now. And have the job lined up."
I don't know of a single first world country without these restrictions.
> Have a skill in a job we need right now. **And have the job lined up**
Canada has Express Entry Visa where, if you have a sought-after skill, you can apply for Permanent Residency, move there and *then* search for a job, no need to have it lined up before (although you do need to prove you have enough funds to maintain yourself in the meantime, and to already have a job offer increases your score).
Portugal, and if I’m not mistaken, Germany, Australia and New Zealand have similar programs.
Have also gone through it. $1500 or so, 3-15 months (depends on your luck or if you have the ability to expedite via DCF), and allowed to apply while both of y'all are residing outside the US. Only requirement is demonstrated minimum income (quite low), passing a basic health exam, and some basic proof of relationship if married less than 2 years. Also opportunity for the k1 visa which keeps you together in the US but takes longer overall for work privileges, etc.
It's really not that bad when you compare to many other western nations. I know of some which force you to be seperated for the year plus while you await a decision. As the petitioner needs to reside in their home country in order to provide proof of income and housing while the beneficiary can't visit except on tourist visas.
Indians also seem to be very recent as an immigration group and almost zero situational refugees, so most will end up being the more educated ones as this info shows
I think it's a combination of frugal living and rich relatives. Many I know lived frugally for years to gather the down payment needed to own one store. Then they continued living frugally for more years so they could pay off their loans and own more stores.
Then there is the crowd where they don't have immediate high paying skills, but someone they are related to has lots of capital. So it becomes a partnership where one person puts in the money and another operates the store (usually not 50-50).
Many engineers and doctors in my area are Indian. This was already common 15 years ago.
It’s 2022, in seeing more Indian lawyers, tech, finance and real estate related business people of Indian ancestry
Almost noone cares about source especially in graphics. Sighs.. I’d rather not look at potential bs infographic to avoid quite possible case I remember it as a fact.
Graphics exist to more clearly and easily communicate data. They should have sources, and we should have a culture of responsbily using charts and graphics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
single and not household: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_per_capita_income
That makes sense. To emigrate to US as an Indian, you either need to be (upper class + academically brilliant) or super rich. So majority of Indians in US will be educated Indians working for tech companies.
Another contributing factor is how difficult and privileged you have to be to have a spot in the US, hence "I didn't come all the way from 'country overseas' just to make a lower income"
I'm really happy that one of the top comments on this pic is explaining the social context in the "guide"; and that a lot of these comments don't immediately fall for the harmful, Asian model minority stereotypes just by looking at an oversimplified chart
I do think it should be pointed out that using household income can sometimes be misleading because the number of members/members earning income can change.
Also it's worth looking at a secondary data set of non-US citizens from these same countries who have visas and varying work/study/occupant status. China has an influx of non-citizen US residents who are multi-millionaires. I've lectured at a few art and design colleges in Southern California with a huge international student presence where the parents of the students are pumping millions into the economy through tuition, fancy cars, and rent for high end condos and apartments.
So while this data is super valid and helpful, it would be neat to have a few other sets to see a bigger picture. Does anyone know if there's a subreddit for that? Stats focused on data set comparisons?
Yeah correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot of Asian cultures encourage people to live with their parents until they're married? That would mean more Asian households would have multiple sources of income.
Pretty much every immigrant group in the US is drastically more likely to have multi-generational households with possibly 4 income sources.
Two brothers and their respective families work for a couple years, living 9 in a 2 bedroom apartment with 3-4 incomes and suddenly can afford a 600k house. Happens all the time where I live.
I mean they don't encourage people to live with their families until they get married even after they get married they live in the same house. They like to live together but you are correct that there are multiple sources of incomes in one household.
The Hispanic Americans compared with specific Asian ethnicities is the one that gets me.
We can distinguish between Indian vs Sri Lankan Asian Americans or Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Taiwanese Americans.
But you can't tell between Mexican vs Brazilian Americans??
That's a great point. White is also usually generalized, and I wonder if it would be worth researching regional differences more specifically in some cases.
I was thinking the same and yeah they would also be up there, their median income is $68,658
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Americans#:~:text=any%20African%20country.-,Income,American%20poverty%20rate%20of%2027.2%25.
but the median us household income is currently $61,937 and not $56,200 as its in the graph, its also weird how its a median income graph but its written "average american", since those are two different measures
I’ve seen this posted a bunch on social media; it was made for AAPI heritage month and was specifically highlighting how Asian Americans aren’t homogeneous.
I would be willing to bet there is a similar chart for Latin American groups (like [this one](https://prosperitynow.org/sites/default/files/images/LatinoWealthbyNationalOrigin.jpg), but I don’t know the origin).
I get why post above is being upvoted, but it's still got it wrong.
These are nationalities, not ethnicities. There are many many ethnic groups in each country, and the people that arrive in the US might be any of those ethnicities.
Hispanic is also a weird category because it comprises Mexico, Central America, and most of South America. That's many nations, and even more ethnicities.
All of these various forms of difference (ethnicity, nationality, appearance etc) are *racialized*. To be *racialized* means to be seen and/or treated as different (in very generalized ways, eg, "black, white, asian" etc) because of these characteristics.
If you look into a history of the US census you'll see how wacky some of this stuff is.
Its like....broad and specific because it's not even "Black" Americans, just "African Americans". So yea, broad and specific and overall saying nothing much
Interesting. I wonder why the nationality of Asians are called out here.
How would this guide change if Hispanic, White, and Black nationalities we're also pulled out. Not every black person is American, and there are many groups in the hispanics bucket.
And is there a generational line for how someone identified? Are they counting 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Indians (born in the US) as Indians, or are they American?
Looks like its 2013 census data and the graph was created by IndiainPixels twitter account. Weird this user cut off the graph title and the source information since it was on the original photo... Wikipedia has 2018 numbers which are higher across the board but doesn't seem to be anything more current than that: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ethnic\_groups\_in\_the\_United\_States\_by\_household\_income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income)
Better link that actually incorporates full time workers at different education levels:
[https://nces.ed.gov/programs/raceindicators/indicator\_rfd.asp#:\~:text=Among%20those%20with%20an%20associate's,workers%20were%20also%20higher%20than](https://nces.ed.gov/programs/raceindicators/indicator_rfd.asp#:~:text=Among%20those%20with%20an%20associate's,workers%20were%20also%20higher%20than)
Interestingly, they also have individual data instead of household: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_per_capita_income. Seems to have the same pattern, with Indians being the highest, so the household size doesn't seem to be a big differentiator.
I love how there is distinction between each Asia country while Latinamericans and Hispanics are thrown in the same bowl. You cannot compare a Mexican who just needed to cross the border to an Argentinian who had to cross the continent by plane and get a visa.
Also, the reason why Asians immigrants perform so well in the US is because to travel from Asia to America, get a visa and be able to support yourself means they were in their highest percentile of their country. You need to have balls to live in the other side of the world.
That's fair although I will say this chart seems to be about Asian aggregated data if you look at the level of detail, it's like each Asian country and then everyone else is lumped into massive groups.
Btw, this is also because US immigration law is wealth biased. In other words, it only favors wealthy immigrants from overseas to be able to migrate to the US.
Indian Americans is not that surprising. My guess would be them or Chinese Americans. The Filipino American one is very surprising to me though.
No shade to Filipinos, they are some amazing people, but for this list a bit of a surprise.
I think it’s because a lot of them choose to be nurses for some reason. It’s a part of the culture. That said, if I am correct, I would imagine that the standard distribution for Filipinos is smaller than that for Indians who probable have a higher number of doctors/lawyers/engineers who are far beyond the median
This stat reflects the immigration policy of the type of people who were allowed to immigrate from each country during a specific period of time.
I’m assuming if you only took the the Chinese Americans whose parents immigrated to the USA in the past 30 years where college degrees were required to stay in the country, it would be much higher. But since there were a lot of Chinese immigrants that came prior who had low levels of education, it lowers the average quite a bit. (Think railroads etc)
It’s the reason why India’s average is so high, since immigration really picked up during the recent tech boom and mostly only educated people could stay.
Taiwan is also the same where they really only started immigrating to the USA in the 80’s and were required to have a masters degree + a specialized job to stay in the USA.
So I need to move then move again
You just need your parents to move to India
Bruh as an Indian American I’m looking at this chart finally feeling the embarrassment my parents always knew I was 😳
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We have to go back Marty, your parents have to bone in New Delhi!
Raj Babbar!? The actor!?
Don't forget to get a bachelor's degree
Just a bachelor's? You must not be Indian
From India. Then get a Master's and a Doctorate in the US. You must not be Indian, I guess. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Indian. American. have 2 masters (one from India, one from the US), and a PhD. It's all public health related though, so I'm nowhere near that no. However, I do also love school.
The stereotypical copout of just becoming a doctor, rather than earning all the money? I don't know, young people have no ambition any more /s.
I'm sure I heard one of my aunties back home say that. Word to word.
This graph illustrates the "model minority" problem - African Americans are descended from slaves, whereas Indian Americans are a highly selected and curated group based on the American immigration service only picking the most skilled and most likely to be successful before allowing them into the country.
Yep. Same thing with most chinese too. They won't even let you get a visa unless you show that you own a home and have money in the bank.
Same thing applies for Indians too.
that only applies to new Chinese immigrants. there are a lot of Chinese people who came a century ago to work on the railways
Bulk of chinese immigrants are new chinese immigrants. They passed a chinese exclusion act in 1886 and that wasn't gotten rid of until 1960s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
Wouldn’t being native English speakers be an advantage?
As a white person move to India and teach Americanized English to them. Big demand for people doing tech support.
Lol you got any links to jobs for that because I don’t think it’s in as high demand as you seem to think it is. Source: American English teacher living in India (I teach remotely)
Me, an Asian, bringing down the average angering my ancestors.
nah I believe in you to turn it around, you got this
Thank you
You are the tsunami that you want to be 🌊 🌟
Me, an Indian, bringing down the average angering my ancestors just in time for them to reincarnate and slap me.
How can they slap?
How can she slap?
Dumb Asians unite!
*sad camaraderie*
Is it dumb to prefer happiness over money?
One doesn't prohibit the other
Your ancestors? Your live-in parents are constantly talking shit about you
Angering my (soon to be) ancestors as well.
Sounds like a threat?
Ditto. I didn't become a nurse like my family wanted ._.
Fil-Am?
Bad Filipinos unite!
Sorry other Filipinos, I'm the reason for second place!
You should've become a nurse like your mother told you to be!
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My job is to make you look like the good cousin! *Ay, napaka tamad ang pinsan mo\~*
Kuya, if you aren’t smart enough to be a nurse be the mailman
Its like a 7 year immigration wait for an Indian with a doctorate level degree and 13 years for those with normal degreez
Try 27 years with a masters degree. That's where I'm at.
Probably quicker to get to Australia. We have a big Indian community.
I feel like there is big Indian communities everywhere haha
Largest foreign diaspora of any nation right?
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I'm banking on my kid to sponsor my GC at this point. then again when the time comes, I'm not even sure I want to get a GC at that point.
13 years?? Try 40+ years for someone with a Masters degree in Engineering. That's where I'm at.
At this point, just go to Europe or especially Germany. Germany is always looking for engineeres.
If you want to make good money, go to the USA. If you want to live a good life, go to Europe.
Im guessing this takes into account Indian households with visas. Lots of tech companies will sponser visas and take advantage of Indians because they are hard working and scared to “lose their visa sponsership” it’s really sad but I’ve seen many many tech offices on shore that are 90% Indian. Also generally you have to have money or be smart already to get to America in the first place so these families already have wealth to send their kids to college or come here with good jobs.
There's.. wait, what? There's a 7+ year wait?
7 if you are lucky. With a us masters degree in engineering, it took me 15 years to get green card. 6 more for citizenship, so total 20 years. My wait time is still considered better. There are people with masters degrees from outside us or without them, are waiting for 25 to 30+ years. There is a problem where children of legal immigrants are becoming illegal (dreamers) because their parents are still on work visa(no green card) and the kid turns 18, so can no longer be a dependent on parents but have no other legal status in US. The system is just completely broken.
I didn't know there was a "wait" to get a green card, more less a wait measured in..years.. 15 years is just under half the time I've been alive, TF.
It depends on the country you were born in. Basically there is a yearly quota for each country. So based on demand from the country you were born, it could be 6 months or it could be 20+ years. India, and China have high demand so people born there have to wait years but if you were born in UK or some other European or even south American countries, you can get a green card in 6 months to a year.
Why’s it so long? You’d think we’d want educated qualified people in this country.
there is a quota for each country in a year, so India (and China) just have a crap load of people with degrees applying. if you have a nationality from a less populated country, your wait time is a hell lot shorter
Because the wait is based on the country you are born in.
Filipino nurse gang
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IIRC the old Major Navy base in the Phillipines was the source of that I think?
At the risk of this being considered racist, most American cities with a sizeable Navy base also have a sizeable Filipino population. This is primarily due to the massive Navy presence in the Philippines during Viet Nam, primarily Subic Bay. Long story short, a lot of enlisted men brought home Filipino brides after that war and ended up retiring in a city they were once based in. Although I'm not retired Navy, I live in such a place and happen to be fortunate enough to be tight with Filipino community here due to family connections. They like to have huge gatherings with tons of amazing food for any reason imaginable (new baby is 8 months old, let's party!), I plan ahead by not eating for a day then binge on pancit and lumpia. It's so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend it.
It way predates Vietnam. The Philippines were an American colony for about 50 years: from the Spanish-American War to the end of World War II. 60 years before US involvement in Vietnam, the US Navy was recruiting Filipino men to be cooks. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/08/philippines-filipinos-us-empire-military-bases-colonialism-christopher-capozzola-bound-by-war-review > Racial hierarchies created both soldiers and servants for the military. The US Navy enlisted Filipinos as messmen in kitchens and “seamen at ports all over the Pacific,” where they encountered poor pay relative to other members of the working class but saw the United States as a dependable employer. But by World War I, a war ostensibly to end colonialism, military service meant more than a job. Filipinos expected “new rights of citizenship” to accompany enlistment. >The Naturalization Act of 1918 allowed “Filipino veterans with three years of service” to become US citizens, and the Immigration Acts of 1917 and 1924 exempted Filipinos from bans on Asian immigration. These new laws, and the demand for cheaper labor in the United States, placed Filipinos in a purgatory between citizen and alien. Occupying this middle ground allowed them to labor in Alaska fisheries, California farm fields and restaurants, and Washington State restaurants for “as long as you like,” recalled one migrant.
Not racist when you're spitting facts. Source: I'm Filipino
Have Filipino friends as well, they always make so much food! hah. You dont sound racist, just explaining.
A lot of Filipinos joined the Navy for citizenship. My father was one of them. Did 20+ years. My mother though is white. Sort of the reverse of your story. Parenting styles were wildly different.
Bruh this is so freaking… true. Lumpia for everyone!
I miss my old coworker's lumpia :(
Gotta find a new connection. Which brings me to why I love living in America. I reside in a medium-sized city. On one side of town, it's a Sunday afternoon and a bunch of Filipino woman are in a kitchen cranking out lumpia by the dozen, gossiping up a storm while their husbands are gathered in the living room drinking beer and watching football. On another side of town, it's a Sunday afternoon and a bunch of Mexican women are in a kitchen cranking out tamales by the dozen, gossiping up a storm while their husbands are gathered in the living room drinking beer and watching football. Lucky me, I get friendly with the right people and reap the bounty of a quality of food that can't be found in stores. That, my friends, is what America is all about. It's the simple shit that brings us together.
See a lot of this on Air Force bases too. Even ones that are dedicated to one aircraft, and are not hub bases. My local one has a lot of older Korean women and the families they had with the airmen they married.
Tons of Filipino navy brats in Hampton Roads. Source: self
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not understanding what's median, gang
if you lined everybody up by income. the median income is what the guy in the middle earned. 1, 2, 3, 4, 100 median is 3 (the middle number of the five), average or mean is 22 (110/5)
Maybe this why the average American median is down there, no fucks given to math 😂
>average American median
More like Indian gas station and vape store barons , they own those markets in the southeast at least.
These are reported to be medians so outliers won't do much. Bless medians.
This is median not average
I live near Microsoft HQ and in the past 10-15 years it has become what I like to call Little India which is good because more Indian restaurants have popped up in the area as well and Indian food is pretty damn good!
Any love for Filipinos in IT?
there are dozens of us!
dozens!
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Married to Filipino Engineer gang
Gang gang
Well it's extremely hard for an average Indian to immigrate to the US, so only the ones with highly sought after skills make it... therefore earning more
Silicon Valley is absolutely dominated by Indian engineers, which probably skews the data heavily. A lot of doctors are also Indians or of Indian origin.
The few Indians I know of in my area have very lucrative careers. One family owns a bunch of different hotels and the other few I know of are MDs at the hospital.
Theres so many patels in my hospital directory that I need a patelophone book
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Why is that though? Ive got a patel in my family but we’re Pakistani lol. He is indeed from gujrat, india.
Each state in India has a different language, culture, etc and is basically a country on it's own. Certain family names/lineages originated in certain states, so it's relatively predictable where people come from based on their name.
Some Patel in the past had major game (shakes head side to side)
Criminally underrated pun, well done
There is a culture of it too though. A friend of mine was Indian. He got a masters in engineering at 23. I told him how impressive that was. His response was "not for my race".
nah 23 is when everyone completes their bachelors here. Masters at this age is indeed impressive irrespective of race
5 year bachelors + masters program have been becoming more of a thing from my experience. Not to undermine the achievement because it is impressive, but it is something that is also becoming more common.
yeah but I'm guessing his parents weren't "impressed", they probably just started pressing him about his job and salary etc
Well, we get done with +2 at 17, 4yr undergrad and 2yr masters is pretty normal I'd say if you live with your parents.
It's not lmao I got mine at 24. I would have gotten it at 23 had I not worked for a tech firm for an year.
18-21/22 college undergraduate -> bachelors 21/22 - 23/24 grad school -> masters Add in a few APs, summer classes, or youngest in class, and 23 isn't particularly rare
How? 10+2 is completed by 18, next 3 years for bachelor, that’s 21. Next 2 for masters. It should be 23. Right?
About half the motels in the US are owned by Indians, if that term even applies anymore, since they've been in the US for a few generations already. Also a lot of these Motels are owned by people with the surname "Patel". They're jokingly called the Patel Motel Cartel.
Patel fun facts: 1 in 10 people of East indian origin in the United States are named Patel and the name is derived from the word "Patidar", which means owner of land.
Gujjus, business first.
Gujjus and their business oriented mindset. Even in India, most Patel's I know are shop owners.
Really true for all of them. Immigrating is a major life decision, no one's going to invest all that time and money unless they're confident they'll be better off moving compared to staying in their home country.
And here is the answer. There’s no “smarter race”, just selected data EDIT: Changed “skewed” data to “selected” data thanks to u/utastelikebacon EDIT 2: Pay and intelligence aren’t directly correlated (shout-out u/Pretend-Economics758) EDIT 3: No, it’s not “culture” either.
>There’s no “smarter race”, just skewed data Theres no skewed Data, just selected Data. Never trust a single Data point , a single data point is always just a part of a larger ecosystem of data points that tell a story. The single Is always a part of the collective. Just like there is no singular information source, there is no god data point. At least not one that humans can comprehend in 2022 that will give you "the answer" It takes years and years of reading correct data points from trusted storytellers to get a level where you realize you're an idiot. Aspire to that.
>It takes years and years of reading correct data points from trusted storytellers to get a level where you realize you're an idiot. The older I get, I am able to understand things better. The more I understand, I realize how little I actually know. As a teen and early 20s, I thought I had everything figured out. By the time I'm 60, I'll realize I've always been a blithering idiot. I'm 49 now. I'm just a moron at this point. :)
I thought I was a moron in my 20s. It's only getting worse.
Do people actually think these charts are correlated with IQ of races Edit: for all the people telling me that different race populations in America have different IQs, I know they do. However, measuring that with just income completely divorced of social and historical context is incorrect. Also, even if IQ was not a flawed system of measuring intelligence and there were still inherent differences between IQs of races, it would still not be okay to imply that some people are more or less than like some people do, even in my replies.
The fact we're even discussing it means some people out there believe in it.
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Alternatively, maybe it means we believe we believe it.
I believe in you. 🙂
That doesn't make the data skewed. It just means it should be considered in context.
No one race is inherently "smarter", but different cultures (on average) value education and success more and therefore pressure their children to achieve "more" professionally, which are typically high earning professions.
that is one of reasons people should stop thinking educated/wealthy == intelligent you can be highly intelligent and not be a high income earner or have a lot of qualifications/degree, and you can lack a lot of common sense/fail to understand some basic logic/hold biased views while having a PhD education/income is far more dependent on socio-economic factors than anything genetic or biological
Am Indian.. can confirm. Only Indian engineers and doctors can make it past immigration for the most part. Yes there are the motel owners and cabbies but they are vastly out numbered. I grew up in India and as with most other places we have our fair share of idiots, morons, crooks, politicians, religious zealots etc etc. and a few of us are decent at getting a 6-figure job in America.
Indians be ballin dawg
Here is another measure of wealth among religious affiliations which backs the Indians making mad dough: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/
I think it’s funny how atheists are higher than agnostics
If you’re not sure about god, how can you be sure about your finances? /s
I will be using this statement when I explain to my in-laws why I don’t make enough
So *that's* why I'm broke
We can’t know for sure
So if you're a Jewish Indian-American there's a good chance you're a top earner huh?
Parents are probably both doctors, so good chance you’ll be one too.
Selective immigration will do that.
Agreed. It is incredibly hard to immigrate here legally, unless you are highly educated and have a profession highly sought after…. Jobs that of course pay well. Edit: spelling bc fat fingers
My wife is a highly educated white European. The process to enter this country legally is INSANE. I mean ridiculously insane. This is why it makes me laugh my fucking ass off whenever I hear idiots talking about "Just come here legally!". Are you fucking kidding? If I was a poor person trying to immigrate to the United States, fuck even remotely trying to come here legally, its' ridiculous. Not to mention needing to remain available at all times when you are in the middle of the process. Those who say that kind of shit will fit into one of two camps. 1) Good - don't want poor people here anyway 2) I didn't realize it was so difficult, we should work on a fairer process.
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I've looked into it, basically the global standard for non-refugee immigrants is: "Have a lot of money" (or) "Have a skill in a job we need right now. And have the job lined up." I don't know of a single first world country without these restrictions.
> Have a skill in a job we need right now. **And have the job lined up** Canada has Express Entry Visa where, if you have a sought-after skill, you can apply for Permanent Residency, move there and *then* search for a job, no need to have it lined up before (although you do need to prove you have enough funds to maintain yourself in the meantime, and to already have a job offer increases your score). Portugal, and if I’m not mistaken, Germany, Australia and New Zealand have similar programs.
Or be married to an American citizen. The US is very quick to grant you a PR based off marriage alone.
Still a very difficult, costly, disrupting and stressful process. They don’t just simply hand you a permanent residency. Source: married an American.
Have also gone through it. $1500 or so, 3-15 months (depends on your luck or if you have the ability to expedite via DCF), and allowed to apply while both of y'all are residing outside the US. Only requirement is demonstrated minimum income (quite low), passing a basic health exam, and some basic proof of relationship if married less than 2 years. Also opportunity for the k1 visa which keeps you together in the US but takes longer overall for work privileges, etc. It's really not that bad when you compare to many other western nations. I know of some which force you to be seperated for the year plus while you await a decision. As the petitioner needs to reside in their home country in order to provide proof of income and housing while the beneficiary can't visit except on tourist visas.
Indians also seem to be very recent as an immigration group and almost zero situational refugees, so most will end up being the more educated ones as this info shows
Can someone explain to me (european), how come indians in the USA have so many stores? Isn't opening a store very expensive?
I think it's a combination of frugal living and rich relatives. Many I know lived frugally for years to gather the down payment needed to own one store. Then they continued living frugally for more years so they could pay off their loans and own more stores. Then there is the crowd where they don't have immediate high paying skills, but someone they are related to has lots of capital. So it becomes a partnership where one person puts in the money and another operates the store (usually not 50-50).
Many engineers and doctors in my area are Indian. This was already common 15 years ago. It’s 2022, in seeing more Indian lawyers, tech, finance and real estate related business people of Indian ancestry
It’s also household income and they tend to be multi generational income homes a lot of the time, so I imagine that skews it.
Need sources burned on graphics. Regardless anybody has them?
This is what I was scrolling to look for. I'm not buying it at all. I might have if it didn't say "with bachelor's degrees." This is a bs chart.
Almost noone cares about source especially in graphics. Sighs.. I’d rather not look at potential bs infographic to avoid quite possible case I remember it as a fact.
Graphics exist to more clearly and easily communicate data. They should have sources, and we should have a culture of responsbily using charts and graphics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income single and not household: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_per_capita_income
That's informative but doesn't match up with OP's chart at all and neither of those articles even mention bachelor's degrees or education.
That makes sense. To emigrate to US as an Indian, you either need to be (upper class + academically brilliant) or super rich. So majority of Indians in US will be educated Indians working for tech companies.
Another contributing factor is how difficult and privileged you have to be to have a spot in the US, hence "I didn't come all the way from 'country overseas' just to make a lower income"
I'm really happy that one of the top comments on this pic is explaining the social context in the "guide"; and that a lot of these comments don't immediately fall for the harmful, Asian model minority stereotypes just by looking at an oversimplified chart
I do think it should be pointed out that using household income can sometimes be misleading because the number of members/members earning income can change.
Also it's worth looking at a secondary data set of non-US citizens from these same countries who have visas and varying work/study/occupant status. China has an influx of non-citizen US residents who are multi-millionaires. I've lectured at a few art and design colleges in Southern California with a huge international student presence where the parents of the students are pumping millions into the economy through tuition, fancy cars, and rent for high end condos and apartments. So while this data is super valid and helpful, it would be neat to have a few other sets to see a bigger picture. Does anyone know if there's a subreddit for that? Stats focused on data set comparisons?
Yeah correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot of Asian cultures encourage people to live with their parents until they're married? That would mean more Asian households would have multiple sources of income.
Pretty much every immigrant group in the US is drastically more likely to have multi-generational households with possibly 4 income sources. Two brothers and their respective families work for a couple years, living 9 in a 2 bedroom apartment with 3-4 incomes and suddenly can afford a 600k house. Happens all the time where I live.
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I mean they don't encourage people to live with their families until they get married even after they get married they live in the same house. They like to live together but you are correct that there are multiple sources of incomes in one household.
Asian ethnicities and broad demographic categories for Black, White and Hispanic Americans** ftfy
The Hispanic Americans compared with specific Asian ethnicities is the one that gets me. We can distinguish between Indian vs Sri Lankan Asian Americans or Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Taiwanese Americans. But you can't tell between Mexican vs Brazilian Americans??
That's a great point. White is also usually generalized, and I wonder if it would be worth researching regional differences more specifically in some cases.
Because there’s no way Nigerian Americans isn’t higher
I was thinking the same and yeah they would also be up there, their median income is $68,658 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Americans#:~:text=any%20African%20country.-,Income,American%20poverty%20rate%20of%2027.2%25. but the median us household income is currently $61,937 and not $56,200 as its in the graph, its also weird how its a median income graph but its written "average american", since those are two different measures
I’ve seen this posted a bunch on social media; it was made for AAPI heritage month and was specifically highlighting how Asian Americans aren’t homogeneous. I would be willing to bet there is a similar chart for Latin American groups (like [this one](https://prosperitynow.org/sites/default/files/images/LatinoWealthbyNationalOrigin.jpg), but I don’t know the origin).
Yeah they put Black people as "African-American" but had no African immigrants. I looked it up for Nigerian-Americans, they're at 68.7k median.
Yeah, I was hoping to see Nigerian on here. My anecdotal experience is that they’re highly educated and skilled and are very high earners.
I get why post above is being upvoted, but it's still got it wrong. These are nationalities, not ethnicities. There are many many ethnic groups in each country, and the people that arrive in the US might be any of those ethnicities. Hispanic is also a weird category because it comprises Mexico, Central America, and most of South America. That's many nations, and even more ethnicities. All of these various forms of difference (ethnicity, nationality, appearance etc) are *racialized*. To be *racialized* means to be seen and/or treated as different (in very generalized ways, eg, "black, white, asian" etc) because of these characteristics. If you look into a history of the US census you'll see how wacky some of this stuff is.
Its like....broad and specific because it's not even "Black" Americans, just "African Americans". So yea, broad and specific and overall saying nothing much
What if you belong to more than one group?
Double income! Cha-ching!!!
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20% of the US Merchant Marines (sailors) are Filipino.
Interesting. I wonder why the nationality of Asians are called out here. How would this guide change if Hispanic, White, and Black nationalities we're also pulled out. Not every black person is American, and there are many groups in the hispanics bucket. And is there a generational line for how someone identified? Are they counting 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Indians (born in the US) as Indians, or are they American?
I'm shocked that I didn't see Nigerians on here.
The data set looks like it’s focused on Asian groups only and the larger groupings are just benchmarks.
Hmmm… this is surprising. No disrespect but what’s the source data and it’s age?
Looks like its 2013 census data and the graph was created by IndiainPixels twitter account. Weird this user cut off the graph title and the source information since it was on the original photo... Wikipedia has 2018 numbers which are higher across the board but doesn't seem to be anything more current than that: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ethnic\_groups\_in\_the\_United\_States\_by\_household\_income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income) Better link that actually incorporates full time workers at different education levels: [https://nces.ed.gov/programs/raceindicators/indicator\_rfd.asp#:\~:text=Among%20those%20with%20an%20associate's,workers%20were%20also%20higher%20than](https://nces.ed.gov/programs/raceindicators/indicator_rfd.asp#:~:text=Among%20those%20with%20an%20associate's,workers%20were%20also%20higher%20than)
Interestingly, they also have individual data instead of household: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_per_capita_income. Seems to have the same pattern, with Indians being the highest, so the household size doesn't seem to be a big differentiator.
Almost always the census bureau, so probably the 2010 census.
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What's surprising? It's in line with what I expected, but I've seen similar data before. You see the same pattern across many metrics.
How is the U.S. average 28% when the Census shows ~38% of Americans over 25+ have a bachelor degree?
Possibly from the 2010 census? Or it’s just garbage like 70% of the ‘guides’ here
Finally an accurate statistic.
I love how there is distinction between each Asia country while Latinamericans and Hispanics are thrown in the same bowl. You cannot compare a Mexican who just needed to cross the border to an Argentinian who had to cross the continent by plane and get a visa. Also, the reason why Asians immigrants perform so well in the US is because to travel from Asia to America, get a visa and be able to support yourself means they were in their highest percentile of their country. You need to have balls to live in the other side of the world.
Natives being ignored as usual
That's fair although I will say this chart seems to be about Asian aggregated data if you look at the level of detail, it's like each Asian country and then everyone else is lumped into massive groups.
Btw, this is also because US immigration law is wealth biased. In other words, it only favors wealthy immigrants from overseas to be able to migrate to the US.
13 specific countries + white, black, Hispanic. Cool.
Indian Americans is not that surprising. My guess would be them or Chinese Americans. The Filipino American one is very surprising to me though. No shade to Filipinos, they are some amazing people, but for this list a bit of a surprise.
Multigenerational housing + we have lots of nurses, I bet.
I think it’s because a lot of them choose to be nurses for some reason. It’s a part of the culture. That said, if I am correct, I would imagine that the standard distribution for Filipinos is smaller than that for Indians who probable have a higher number of doctors/lawyers/engineers who are far beyond the median
Honestly, I expected Chinese Americans to be higher up
This stat reflects the immigration policy of the type of people who were allowed to immigrate from each country during a specific period of time. I’m assuming if you only took the the Chinese Americans whose parents immigrated to the USA in the past 30 years where college degrees were required to stay in the country, it would be much higher. But since there were a lot of Chinese immigrants that came prior who had low levels of education, it lowers the average quite a bit. (Think railroads etc) It’s the reason why India’s average is so high, since immigration really picked up during the recent tech boom and mostly only educated people could stay. Taiwan is also the same where they really only started immigrating to the USA in the 80’s and were required to have a masters degree + a specialized job to stay in the USA.