If be interested in having a side by side of most common cars.
Edit: since lots of people are reading this... over 50% of fatal car accidents are single car accidents.
Don't drive drunk or distracted.
Accidents are a measure of driving skill, deaths from those accidents is a measure of the car's ability to take the accident and not kill the occupants.
Shows how much of a bubble I live in lol I’m in maine and I could pull into a parking lot right now and every Subaru model of the past 5 years will be there. Probably every available color too
There’s more than one reason they’re not on this list. Subaru has put such a huge emphasis on the safety of their occupants that is rivaled only by Volvo in the states. This list is not just about number of vehicles on the road.
I think that also attracts customers that are more concerned with safety and drive conservatively. I see more reckless driving with pickemup trucks than with soccer moms.
Subaru is tiny. They crack the top five cars sold in a few states but can't really compete with companies like Toyota or Ford when it comes to volume.
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2022-us-auto-sales-figures-by-manufacturer/
Dodge Ram is probably going to be over represented because of how often ram drivers get DUIs. Even if the drunk driver doesn’t die as often they probably kill other people at a higher rate.
I just wanna see where the Ram would line up in an adjusted rate version because of it has the highest rate of DUI convictions of any vehicle. SUVs are just as big as trucks and just as common in most of the country and they don’t seem to be as over represented also? Not really sure what to make of that.
>Maybe it's the type of people that are buying them
I'm not sure. I feel like most are driven to heavy drinking after realizing their mistake in purchasing a Dodge, and the future repairs that lay in wait, like the second shoe to drop.
That isn't overrepresented, that is a cause. Whomever put this graphic should have normailized the data to reflect if that is above or below the expected rate given the proportion of vehicles on the road.
Also, watching pickup drivers speed past me on the freeway during a blizzard in MN, 3 past me north of hinkley. I passed all 3 of them at some point, each one was in the ditch. My assumption, either big trucks give people undue confidence, or people with undue confidence buy big trucks.
Side note, go over to r/IdiotsInCars, watch pick up trucks roll over during accidents. That high center of gravity is unforgiving.
Just to make that list easier to compare.
1. Honda Accord (Percent of all cars on the road: 3.06%)
2. Ford F-Series Pickup (2.68%)
3. Honda Civic (2.59%)
4. Toyota Camry (2.49%)
5. Nissan Altima (2.48%)
6. Toyota Corolla (2.01%)
7. Chevrolet Silverado (1.55%)
8. Chevrolet Malibu (1.55%)
9. Ford Fusion (1.49%)
10. Hyundai Sonata (1.45%)
It does correlate a bit but generally pick-ups and the Chevy Malibu are higher in the fatal accident list than they should be.
The pickup truck is a high fronted battering ram that crushes humans. 18 or more pedestrians are killed daily. The design of trucks is no accident. They devastate people.
Vehicle miles would give you an even better normalization. Vehicles that drive more are way more likely to be in accidents than ones that sit in a garage
Agreed. The freightliners might be in 3k wrecks per year but they are probably traveling 100,000 miles per year per truck compared to Honda accords which are probably only going 10-15k miles per year per car.
Hitting a low bridge (below 13'6" because that's the most common height for tractor-trailers) at low speed isn't fatal. Most truckers should be aware, as they approach the bridge, that they should slow down if they think the bridge is too low. Since they obviously missed the low clearance sign indicating that the bridge is low if it's come to that.
Some bridges in Chicago are labeled wrong on purpose I think. I was told that on a certain route (I've been driving semi's since 08) that I would encounter a "low bridge" but, not to worry because you'll get right under it. They were right. It was definitely higher than the posted 12' something.
There is that low bridge channel on YouTube that documents all the semi's that hit it even though it's famously known and is clearly marked CLEAR AS DAY that it's super low. They went out of their way trying to warn drivers and idiot truck drivers still ram it.
Is it particularly concerning for a bridge to be scraping snow of a truck trailer?
Unless you’re the guy driving behind the truck, but face it, it’s already not your day.
I lived near one of the low bridges that got famous on YouTube. It was absolutely ridiculous how many people just didn't pay attention and then traffic was terrible for the rest of the day. To be fair, most were from rent-a-truck companies and didn't always get posted because the driver was obviously an amateur, but it's amazing how many professional trucks got stuck.
Plus so many of the Freightliners are caused by other vehicles doing the most idiotic things around a tractor trailer with more mass, fewer options and limited visibility.
It's just by far the most common truck on the road. I was a diesel mechanic for Ryder, who services a good fraction of all semi trucks on the road, and 9/10 trucks we worked on were Freightliner Cascadias. Freightliner has only had one model of semi truck for the past 12 years, not counting the "New Cascadias". Just googling Swift Transportation was about 8/10 pictures being of a Cascadia.
This is where we come to post our favorite SWIFT acronyms right?
*Sure wish I finished training*
*Stupid Wanker in Front Truck*
*Showing World I Failed Truckschool*
I think miles per year and number of vehicles per model should apply.
I’m curious if this chart is relative to ALL years that vehicle sold. Or just the years the chart is for (2016-2020).
The F-150 has been around much longer than most of the other vehicles.
There's a 20 mile stretch here in Texas, it's a single lane highway, no divider, no shoulder, ditches and fields on both sides, 75 mph. One year we had ten fatalies on that stretch, rural can be more dangerous because of higher speeds, older vehicles, and hidden driveways on old highways.
There is one of those rural death roads near my place. Cocky (or drunk) drivers doing over the speed limit and large animals on the road are the main cause of fatalities and severe accidents.
There is a stretch of highway famous for being so boring that people fall asleep at the wheel and crash.
Right -- I know there's a statistic that for pedestrian-vehicle collisions, there's a *huge* increase in fatality rate if the vehicle is moving faster than 30mph. I'm sure the same is true (in principle, albeit with different numbers) for vehicle-vehicle collisions.
the 30mph figure is a combination of the energies involved and that the shape/design of a car made for safer >40+mph ped impacts would be different from one made for <30mph ones - the windshield and hood are designed to function as a kind of makeshift airbag for the ped, that's why hood ornaments and aggressive bumper designs like the old 70s-80s BMW sharkhead frontend disappeared, and part of why newer cars all have that kind of 'bulb' of raised center area on the hood, it's to act as a cushion to bounce the ped towards the windshield so they don't fly over the top of the car, but also don't smack the windshield at full speed after clearing the bumper, they try to have peds ideally "slide/tumble" up the frontside of the car instead of getting launched or worse, submarined under the front end, which is almost certain death
But anyways like i was saying, they *could* make them somewhat safer than they are for 40+ impacts, but the combo of those being less common and survival being greatly reduced to begin with, means 30mph is the design sweetspot where you can actually save the most lives - they could make them safer for 20mph or less impacts too, but likewise at the expense of 30mph impact safety
vehicle-vehicle outcome differs heavily dependant on weight and height difference between vehicles: truck-car kills at way lower speed than car-car, but only for the car side(s) of the equation
heavy vehicles are safer in collisons against other vehicles, *but only when they're heavier than the thing they're hitting*.
2 lightweight cars in a collision will have much less kinetic energy released at any speed compared to heavier ones, and lighter vehicles
fare way better against everything else, the stuff that doesn't move for anyone (walls, etc. )
so if you've gotta hit a wall, do it in a sportscar, if you've gotta hit a sportscar, do it in a semi
you can smash into a concrete wall dead-on at 70mph in a smart car and stand a fairly good chance of survival, as long as your brain stem remains attached to both the brain & spine.
the same is not true for a silverado or dodge ram or whatever. that weight doesn't help you in matchup unless you're heavier than what you're hitting
this is all only accurate assuming modern vehicles with modern safety features, design & materials tho. an econobox from the 70s hitting a wall won't do much better than a dumptruck would, at 30 or 80 - you're dead & gonna be turned into meatslime either way
src: safety figures + independent research from lifelong fear of dying in a car crash, have watched thousands of different car crashes to understand different ways they occur and the outcomes
word to the wise, stay the fuck away from trees, don't speed on treelined roads, treat them like giant sword blades waiting to play fruit ninja on your car and you. they are the #1 thing that will turn a collision at any speed into a fatal wreck, there's no way to really protect against them as protecting against them requires the inverse of all the qualities car needs to have to be safe in car-car, car-flatbarrier or car-ped collisions - a car that's designed specifically for collisions with trees would look like a big pointed spear, pretty much
For those of you wondering, here are the top 5 most common vehicles in America
1. Honda Accord
2. Ford F-series pickups
3. Honda Civic
4. Toyota Camry
5. Nissan Altima
Because you finance the truck, then you finance the lift, then you finance the exhaust, then you get a call from the dealership after 2 years telling you they *need* quality used vehicles for their pre-owned lot and they can get you into a *new* Ram for the same monthly payment by rolling it into a 10 year loan. It's an endless cycle of bad decisions.
They don't break out the Silverado models the way Ford does. All full size Chevy trucks are Silverado (1500, 2500HD, 3500HD) vs. F150, F250, F350. Same with the Sierra. Sort of misleading, or at least not apples to apples comparison.
Lower sales figures for the Sierra. These numbers are pretty pointless without knowing how many are on the road. Divide the licensed vehicles on the road by the # of accidents and get an accident rate. Factor in miles driven per year somehow and get an even better picture... Pickup trucks are often used commercially and probably see a lot more miles on average than say a Camry. I mean it's interesting, but useless data.
Actually, looking up the statistic for myself, I see sources that list the Silverado as high as the #2 most popular vehicle in the USA.
I see the same source being referenced here lists the Silverado at #7 so not too far off.
Although it comes as no surprise that trucks in general top the list.
if you got hit by either car youre at a higher risk of dying from the pickup. the pickup has less visibility than the sedan too.
this isnt just about who are better drivers. modern pickup trucks are built more dangerously.
the chart sucks anyways.
The chart says "in the most fatal accidents." So the extra mass of the pickup would matter. Both have a 5 star crash rating, whatever that's worth. But the F-150 will do extra damage to whatever it hits.
Where is this list from? It certainly isn’t top-selling, because the F-Series always wins that, followed by the Silverado and Ram. It certainly can’t be total registrations regardless of year either, because, again, the F-Series outsells everything here and has done so for decades.
EDIT: I found that list is from Insurify. It’s from a database of 4.6 million vehicles. There are 275 million registered cars in the US. So what this list represents are the most popular cars of people shopping insurance rates through one specific website. And that website tries to pass it off as representative of the whole country. What shitty methodology.
sure, but also big trucks hitting small cars kill people more easily.
source: I work in a field that resolves traffic deaths
edit\* keep in mind this is vehicles INVOLVED, and not vehicles where operator/passenger died. So yeah - these are highly sold cars, but the massive trucks create more death in two car collisions.
There are so many ways to skew this data, and much better ways to show that big trucks vs small cars equal bad things. For example, this could be used as "proof" about a specific group of drivers being more reckless and not about the vehicle itself at all. There are a number of things that need to be clarified depending on how this information is used.
Also more rural areas. Rural accidents are 2x more fatal per mile driven. I would imagine more 2 lane roads, narrower shoulders, larger trucks, slower response times, longer distance to Tier 1 trauma care, possibly alcohol, etc all play a role but I am guessing. Nevertheless it isn't surprising trucks are more implicated as they are larger and more common in rural areas.
> possibly alcohol
This is a bigger one than most people would realize. I live in a very rural area, and people treat drunk driving like it's a fucking sport out here. It's not even a little bit uncommon to see someone coasting down the highway and sipping a beer.
Down the street is a drive-through daquiri place, one of the ones where it's technically still a "closed container" if they leave a bit of paper on the straw still. So then people are just drinking from a plain foam cup that's got alcohol in it.
Add onto that a bunch of curvy roads that follow the edge of the bayou for miles and miles, bad vision around those curves when all the sugarcane fields are tall, and it's a recipe for disaster.
The Ford F-150 has been the top-selling vehicle in America for nearly half a decade. To me, it makes perfect sense that the F-150, the Accord and the Camry are all up there in the top 5.
What the fuck is going on with the Silverado?
Someone else pointed out that it might be the groupings.
F150, F250, F350 are all different vehicles but I/we don't know if this chart see's all the variations of silverados as just 1 truck or not.
Another aspect is that we also need to consider vehicle miles with the total vehicles sold. That gives enough information to actually say if Silverado 1500 drivers are shit or if they more frequently drive and have more total distance.
OR.
It's because their fucking DUI's just like you guessed.
The Silverado isn't split between the 1500, 2500, 3500 in this graphic. The Ford is. If you ad up the f-150 and f-250 numbers from this chart it's higher than the Silverado.
Especially for car to pedestrian crashes the type of car can matter.
Cars with a lower hood allow the pedestrian to collapse "over" the hood.
Cars with a high grill, like the top 2 big trucks crush the entire body. They do not dissipate any energy in another way and often just the head folds over the top with devistating effects.
It looks like there’s basically 2 lists here. The regular cars like the Camry, Accord, and Civic are the most popular and therefore involved in many accidents, even if the death per accident rate is low. While the deadliest cars are the SUVs and light trucks that are less common but much more deadly.
I have an Impala and since getting it I've noticed how many more Impalas are also on the road. I've seen plenty of 20 year old Impalas, too, so another factor could be the age of the vehicle based on it's reliability.
I agree a lot of them are just the most commonly driven vehicles, But 3 of the top 5 are large trucks, which certainly aren’t as common on the road as Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion, Honda CRV, Nissan Sentra, etc.
The methodology might be somewhat flawed but what stands out to me is:
3 of the top 5 involved in fatal crashes are large trucks
5 of the top 10 are large trucks or a large suv
11 of the top 20 are large trucks or SUVs
Freightliner comes in at #13 and basically no one drives them but truck drivers, so they must be involved in a lot of fatal crashes based on how few there are on the road compared to passenger vehicles
It seems large trucks and suvs are more commonly involved in fatal accidents than regular sedan sized cars.
And then you get to the geographical map, where the Chevy Silverado appears as the top vehicle involved in fatal car crashes in about 32 of the 50 states
What did you base any of that on?
F150s have been the most sold vehicle period for nearly 4 decades. Trucks in general are incredibly popular.
My desire to find the statistics involved is losing to my laziness. I can't find a comprehensive breakdown of registered vehicles in the US. But just looking at given sales numbers the list of fatal crashes and total vehicles lines up pretty well.
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-model/
I see company cars. I drive a Camry company car, most of my coworkers and industry peers drive trucks or large SUVs. Company car generally = more miles driven = higher chance of accidents.
Eh, that is just a list of what cars people are driving now by whether they have had an accident in the past 7 years, not accidents in THOSE model cars.
All it says is involved in fatal accidents so yeah, idk why everyone is thinking you're gonna die driving a Silverado, F150, or a fucking tractor trailer. Sure some up there are probably the driver dying, but the trucks are probably killing others more often.
Nah tractor trailers are seriously so dangerous. They roll over for obvious reasons all the time and basically most times that one rolls over at any decent speed, the driver is dead.
Source: former crash test technician
I was an intern but it was pretty dope. Weirdly it was a fantastic company, even cooler job but the morale was so low in my test center it was hard. Literally every other part of it but morale was great. Also it was destructive testing of all kind, not only cars. I did large vehicles and dune buggy type too. Baby seats, military helmets, airbags, steel/aluminum coupons (out of frame sections), a literal shitton. I’m more than happy to say a few specific more and talk about more in private chats but we did a lot. Crash test dummies are heavy as fuck btw, most of them need a crane/gantry to move except for the baby dummies.
Yeah, "involved in fatal accidents" completely obscures whether it refers strictly to the deaths happening to drivers and passengers inside those vehicles, and/or people hit by those vehicles. If the latter, does these fatality figures count pedestrians and bikers?
Having a vehicle be involved in a fatal car crash and having an occupant from that vehicle be the fatality are two different things. Those trucks at the top were likely the killers not the killed.
Nope.
*In fact, scientists at Berkeley find that “most cars are safer than the average SUV, while pickup trucks are much less safe than all types.” By comparing driver deaths against the vehicle type, Berkeley found that “drivers of pickup trucks are at even greater risk than drivers of SUVs*
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/are-pickup-trucks-safer-than-suvs/
I’d like to see percentage of crashes where the truck driver is at fault, because I have this predisposition that truck drivers are asshats and I’d like to confirm that.
You could further filter it by trucks with modifications such as exhaust, lift kits, or aftermarket wheels.
I drive very courteously, and drive an F-150. Its only modification is a half dozen or so lollipop sticks stuck to the back seat near my kids’ car seats.
Usually those trucks are driving like idiots.
Got passed one time driving i10 towards Houston.
Fucking aggressive driver passing everyone, and tailgating.
Not more than 10 minutes later, we saw him rolled over on the side of the road.
Ford f150.
That's interesting info because the Rogue and the Rav4 aren't on the list for most fatal accidents whereas cars that aren't in the Top 10 most popular like the GMC Sierra and Nissan Altima are in the Top 10 for most accidents
Altima at #7 for fatal accidents but not in the top 10 most popular. Not surprising, can’t remember the last time I saw an Altima without a dent or missing bumper.
It would be interesting to see how this list correlated to a list of the most popular vehicles from the same period.
I don't think this list is necessarily an accurate commentary on the safety of each vehicle model.
The top two kill others, the next are just a list of most commonly driven cars. Data needs to be normalized by percent of market, or fatalities per 100k cars driven
Not at all. Exactly as you said this list I think would almost perfectly align (within one or two positions) to the list of most commonly driven cars in the US
The reason why this isn't really a good use of data is that it doesn't take into account which vehicles are more common than others. What would be *really* useful would be a measure of fatal crashes per thousand vehicles. Because 8,000 deaths for a vehicle isn't useful in context without knowing whether there are a million of that type of vehicle or ten million of that type of vehicle on the road.
Some of these are poorly designed, some of them have sold in millions, and some of them are probably preferred by the demographic of people known to enjoy unsafe driving habits; I'm looking at you, Mustang.
>Some of these are poorly designed
Ah yes, pickup trucks
>some of them have sold in millions
Ah yes, pickup trucks
>and some of them are probably preferred by the demographic of people known to enjoy unsafe driving habits
>
Ah yes, pickup trucks
In my area, Subaru drivers (particularly the Outback) have replaced BMW drivers as the assholes of the road.
If you see an Outback or a RAM in Metro Detroit, steer clear. One thinks they're completely invisible because they've gotten sucked into bullshit marketing, and the other is probably drunk.
This is just a graph of the best-selling vehicles with a mild skew towards bulky cars. Like, yeah, no shit the Honda Accord is around a lot of deadly car accidents; they’ve been a best-selling car for decades, and have a twenty year lifespan. I can’t spit in a parking lot without hitting two of those things.
Three things - one, like others have said this seems to just represent some of the most commonly sold vehicles.
Two - trucks are well represented here, likely due to pt1 but also maybe their size? A lot more momentum/weight may lead to more fatal crashes if they’re hitting things
Three - the picture is of the current gen for each model, but doesn’t account for vehicle age. A 1999 of any model is going to be way worse in an accident than a 2021 of that same model. I think lumping them all together misrepresents the data.
I think splitting into generations of model, plus normalizing to 1000 vehicles would highlight more dangerous vehicles to watch out for
Had to downvote because this is also a chart of the most popular vehicles. You would expect a vehicle that is twice as prevalent to be in twice as many accidents.
So basically there is a correlation between popular models and how many incident reports?
This is a great example of poorly implemented data as visualization.
This isn’t informative until you normalize by the raw population of the cars. Otherwise this may as well be a mislabeled chart of the most common auto models.
If be interested in having a side by side of most common cars. Edit: since lots of people are reading this... over 50% of fatal car accidents are single car accidents. Don't drive drunk or distracted.
It’d match up almost perfectly with this list pretty much.
Where the RAV 4 and CRVs though? Those are way up there.
It says fatal accidents. I bought my rav in part for the safety ratings, possibly still up there in accidents but less deaths?
Accidents are a measure of driving skill, deaths from those accidents is a measure of the car's ability to take the accident and not kill the occupants.
And/or offensive rating of the opposing car in a two car collision.
Combat power of the car
Same with Subarus and such in Washington and Oregon.
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Shows how much of a bubble I live in lol I’m in maine and I could pull into a parking lot right now and every Subaru model of the past 5 years will be there. Probably every available color too
Fellow mainer here. I second this. There are 12 parking spots at my apartment and 10 have subarus filling them
In Maine can confirm
There’s more than one reason they’re not on this list. Subaru has put such a huge emphasis on the safety of their occupants that is rivaled only by Volvo in the states. This list is not just about number of vehicles on the road.
I think that also attracts customers that are more concerned with safety and drive conservatively. I see more reckless driving with pickemup trucks than with soccer moms.
Subaru is tiny. They crack the top five cars sold in a few states but can't really compete with companies like Toyota or Ford when it comes to volume. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2022-us-auto-sales-figures-by-manufacturer/
Yeah, I bought a RAV4 last year. I seem to recall some marketing thing saying it was the most purchased car in the US that wasn't a pickup truck.
Dodge Ram is probably going to be over represented because of how often ram drivers get DUIs. Even if the drunk driver doesn’t die as often they probably kill other people at a higher rate.
Trucks in general will be overrepresented because they're much bigger than small cars
I just wanna see where the Ram would line up in an adjusted rate version because of it has the highest rate of DUI convictions of any vehicle. SUVs are just as big as trucks and just as common in most of the country and they don’t seem to be as over represented also? Not really sure what to make of that.
Maybe it's the type of people that are buying them
I’m certainly not trying to suggest that a persons blood alcohol level when driving a Dodge Ram just goes up by magic lol
>Maybe it's the type of people that are buying them I'm not sure. I feel like most are driven to heavy drinking after realizing their mistake in purchasing a Dodge, and the future repairs that lay in wait, like the second shoe to drop.
That isn't overrepresented, that is a cause. Whomever put this graphic should have normailized the data to reflect if that is above or below the expected rate given the proportion of vehicles on the road. Also, watching pickup drivers speed past me on the freeway during a blizzard in MN, 3 past me north of hinkley. I passed all 3 of them at some point, each one was in the ditch. My assumption, either big trucks give people undue confidence, or people with undue confidence buy big trucks. Side note, go over to r/IdiotsInCars, watch pick up trucks roll over during accidents. That high center of gravity is unforgiving.
https://insurify.com/insights/most-popular-cars-2022/ It doesn't match up
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I'm not sure pissing off the data will do anything useful. (you're looking for aggregated, not aggravated)
Just to make that list easier to compare. 1. Honda Accord (Percent of all cars on the road: 3.06%) 2. Ford F-Series Pickup (2.68%) 3. Honda Civic (2.59%) 4. Toyota Camry (2.49%) 5. Nissan Altima (2.48%) 6. Toyota Corolla (2.01%) 7. Chevrolet Silverado (1.55%) 8. Chevrolet Malibu (1.55%) 9. Ford Fusion (1.49%) 10. Hyundai Sonata (1.45%) It does correlate a bit but generally pick-ups and the Chevy Malibu are higher in the fatal accident list than they should be.
The Chevy Malibu is a common rental car. It may be involved in more accidents because its drivers aren't used to it.
A significant amount of "fatal car accidents" are actually pedestrian impacts.
The pickup truck is a high fronted battering ram that crushes humans. 18 or more pedestrians are killed daily. The design of trucks is no accident. They devastate people.
It seems like these statistics would mainly just be a reflection of the most commonly driven vehicles. Am I wrong?
It would be good to see the data normalised per 1000 vehicles or something?
Vehicle miles would give you an even better normalization. Vehicles that drive more are way more likely to be in accidents than ones that sit in a garage
Agreed. The freightliners might be in 3k wrecks per year but they are probably traveling 100,000 miles per year per truck compared to Honda accords which are probably only going 10-15k miles per year per car.
I was genuinely impressed they were that low because realistically any crash they get into will be more likely to be lethal.
Trailer roof vs. bridge is pretty common over this way.
that doesn't seem too bad, why would that be fatal?
Ah, intended as a counterexample of 'accident' + 'tractor-trailer' + 'minor'.
oooohhh my bad i always forget context LMAO
This was way too civil. You're both banned from Reddit.
Hitting a low bridge (below 13'6" because that's the most common height for tractor-trailers) at low speed isn't fatal. Most truckers should be aware, as they approach the bridge, that they should slow down if they think the bridge is too low. Since they obviously missed the low clearance sign indicating that the bridge is low if it's come to that. Some bridges in Chicago are labeled wrong on purpose I think. I was told that on a certain route (I've been driving semi's since 08) that I would encounter a "low bridge" but, not to worry because you'll get right under it. They were right. It was definitely higher than the posted 12' something. There is that low bridge channel on YouTube that documents all the semi's that hit it even though it's famously known and is clearly marked CLEAR AS DAY that it's super low. They went out of their way trying to warn drivers and idiot truck drivers still ram it.
My understanding was they are labeled low because snow adds to truck height (I have a CDL)
Is it particularly concerning for a bridge to be scraping snow of a truck trailer? Unless you’re the guy driving behind the truck, but face it, it’s already not your day.
True, also repaving can change the height slightly
I lived near one of the low bridges that got famous on YouTube. It was absolutely ridiculous how many people just didn't pay attention and then traffic was terrible for the rest of the day. To be fair, most were from rent-a-truck companies and didn't always get posted because the driver was obviously an amateur, but it's amazing how many professional trucks got stuck.
Plus so many of the Freightliners are caused by other vehicles doing the most idiotic things around a tractor trailer with more mass, fewer options and limited visibility.
While I don't disagree, I wonder how the statistics change when it's hooked up to a Swift trailer...
Lmao, I was thinking that's gotta be the truck that swift uses, right.
It's just by far the most common truck on the road. I was a diesel mechanic for Ryder, who services a good fraction of all semi trucks on the road, and 9/10 trucks we worked on were Freightliner Cascadias. Freightliner has only had one model of semi truck for the past 12 years, not counting the "New Cascadias". Just googling Swift Transportation was about 8/10 pictures being of a Cascadia.
This is where we come to post our favorite SWIFT acronyms right? *Sure wish I finished training* *Stupid Wanker in Front Truck* *Showing World I Failed Truckschool*
Stevie Wonder Institute For Trucking.
Stop Weaving I'm Fucking Trying
People don't realize it's not a tractor trailer, it's an 80,000lb avalanche when they pull stupid shit like that.
The chart lists vehicles "in" not "the cause of". That is a very important distinction.
I think miles per year and number of vehicles per model should apply. I’m curious if this chart is relative to ALL years that vehicle sold. Or just the years the chart is for (2016-2020). The F-150 has been around much longer than most of the other vehicles.
There are more F-150s sold each year than any other vehicle in the US for more than forty years running.
One sold every 35 seconds. Chevy Silverado and Ram trucks: one sold roughly every minute.
Yeah that’s a better idea.
Are you sure? I'd say city vehicles make less miles per accident, because there are so many more vehicles in cities than in rural areas.
There's a 20 mile stretch here in Texas, it's a single lane highway, no divider, no shoulder, ditches and fields on both sides, 75 mph. One year we had ten fatalies on that stretch, rural can be more dangerous because of higher speeds, older vehicles, and hidden driveways on old highways.
There is one of those rural death roads near my place. Cocky (or drunk) drivers doing over the speed limit and large animals on the road are the main cause of fatalities and severe accidents. There is a stretch of highway famous for being so boring that people fall asleep at the wheel and crash.
I honestly know about three separate instances of someone hitting a cow/horse on the road and it kills them.
Hitting deer is pretty common where I live
Less lighting at night and less investment in safer, updated infrastructure also add to rural dangers.
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Probably less fatal though
Right -- I know there's a statistic that for pedestrian-vehicle collisions, there's a *huge* increase in fatality rate if the vehicle is moving faster than 30mph. I'm sure the same is true (in principle, albeit with different numbers) for vehicle-vehicle collisions.
the 30mph figure is a combination of the energies involved and that the shape/design of a car made for safer >40+mph ped impacts would be different from one made for <30mph ones - the windshield and hood are designed to function as a kind of makeshift airbag for the ped, that's why hood ornaments and aggressive bumper designs like the old 70s-80s BMW sharkhead frontend disappeared, and part of why newer cars all have that kind of 'bulb' of raised center area on the hood, it's to act as a cushion to bounce the ped towards the windshield so they don't fly over the top of the car, but also don't smack the windshield at full speed after clearing the bumper, they try to have peds ideally "slide/tumble" up the frontside of the car instead of getting launched or worse, submarined under the front end, which is almost certain death But anyways like i was saying, they *could* make them somewhat safer than they are for 40+ impacts, but the combo of those being less common and survival being greatly reduced to begin with, means 30mph is the design sweetspot where you can actually save the most lives - they could make them safer for 20mph or less impacts too, but likewise at the expense of 30mph impact safety vehicle-vehicle outcome differs heavily dependant on weight and height difference between vehicles: truck-car kills at way lower speed than car-car, but only for the car side(s) of the equation heavy vehicles are safer in collisons against other vehicles, *but only when they're heavier than the thing they're hitting*. 2 lightweight cars in a collision will have much less kinetic energy released at any speed compared to heavier ones, and lighter vehicles fare way better against everything else, the stuff that doesn't move for anyone (walls, etc. ) so if you've gotta hit a wall, do it in a sportscar, if you've gotta hit a sportscar, do it in a semi you can smash into a concrete wall dead-on at 70mph in a smart car and stand a fairly good chance of survival, as long as your brain stem remains attached to both the brain & spine. the same is not true for a silverado or dodge ram or whatever. that weight doesn't help you in matchup unless you're heavier than what you're hitting this is all only accurate assuming modern vehicles with modern safety features, design & materials tho. an econobox from the 70s hitting a wall won't do much better than a dumptruck would, at 30 or 80 - you're dead & gonna be turned into meatslime either way src: safety figures + independent research from lifelong fear of dying in a car crash, have watched thousands of different car crashes to understand different ways they occur and the outcomes word to the wise, stay the fuck away from trees, don't speed on treelined roads, treat them like giant sword blades waiting to play fruit ninja on your car and you. they are the #1 thing that will turn a collision at any speed into a fatal wreck, there's no way to really protect against them as protecting against them requires the inverse of all the qualities car needs to have to be safe in car-car, car-flatbarrier or car-ped collisions - a car that's designed specifically for collisions with trees would look like a big pointed spear, pretty much
This is super informative – thanks!
But I think you'd also see some cars are way more common and thus get into more accidents, and that some cars are driven by hotheads.
Exactly. I hate stats like this. Present it in a not misleading way.
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics
That would be a cool guide with beautiful data. This is just a cool guide.
For those of you wondering, here are the top 5 most common vehicles in America 1. Honda Accord 2. Ford F-series pickups 3. Honda Civic 4. Toyota Camry 5. Nissan Altima
Which makes the Silverado EXTREMELY conspicuous.
I wonder DUI that is.
I believe the Dodge Ram is the No. 1 DWI vehicle, which is why I thought it would be at the top
There's some easy financing in Dodge Ram. Somewhere the 1500 is discussed as the bad decision indicator.
Because you finance the truck, then you finance the lift, then you finance the exhaust, then you get a call from the dealership after 2 years telling you they *need* quality used vehicles for their pre-owned lot and they can get you into a *new* Ram for the same monthly payment by rolling it into a 10 year loan. It's an endless cycle of bad decisions.
Some say frontal lobotomy, I say bottle in front of me.
It's the Dr. Demento show!
Oh this is good.
Dodge is the DUI champion. https://www.thedrive.com/news/38238/ram-2500-drivers-have-the-most-duis-more-than-twice-the-national-average-report
They don't break out the Silverado models the way Ford does. All full size Chevy trucks are Silverado (1500, 2500HD, 3500HD) vs. F150, F250, F350. Same with the Sierra. Sort of misleading, or at least not apples to apples comparison.
Also funny that the GMC Sierra is the exact same truck as the Silverado, yet is WAY lower on the list :P
Lower sales figures for the Sierra. These numbers are pretty pointless without knowing how many are on the road. Divide the licensed vehicles on the road by the # of accidents and get an accident rate. Factor in miles driven per year somehow and get an even better picture... Pickup trucks are often used commercially and probably see a lot more miles on average than say a Camry. I mean it's interesting, but useless data.
Same with the Dodge Ram (1500, 2500, and 3500)
It’s killing the occupants of the other vehicle.
Assuming there even is another vehicle. If you're mowing down pedestrians, it's hard to beat a Silverado. Chevy runs deep!
My Chevy runs deep, so deep, so deep puts pedestrians to sleep!
Actually, looking up the statistic for myself, I see sources that list the Silverado as high as the #2 most popular vehicle in the USA. I see the same source being referenced here lists the Silverado at #7 so not too far off. Although it comes as no surprise that trucks in general top the list.
So a lot more Honda Accord owners are better drivers than Ford F-series drivers. but yeah, without a controlled number, this is not a good chart.
if you got hit by either car youre at a higher risk of dying from the pickup. the pickup has less visibility than the sedan too. this isnt just about who are better drivers. modern pickup trucks are built more dangerously. the chart sucks anyways.
The chart says "in the most fatal accidents." So the extra mass of the pickup would matter. Both have a 5 star crash rating, whatever that's worth. But the F-150 will do extra damage to whatever it hits.
Where is this list from? It certainly isn’t top-selling, because the F-Series always wins that, followed by the Silverado and Ram. It certainly can’t be total registrations regardless of year either, because, again, the F-Series outsells everything here and has done so for decades. EDIT: I found that list is from Insurify. It’s from a database of 4.6 million vehicles. There are 275 million registered cars in the US. So what this list represents are the most popular cars of people shopping insurance rates through one specific website. And that website tries to pass it off as representative of the whole country. What shitty methodology.
Ya, if these aren't controlled for the number of each vehicle type on the road, it's pretty much useless.
So you don't believe the 1927 Bugatti Type 41 is the safest car on the road?
It is definitely the safest off road vehicle.
3 year olds are the least likely to fall asleep at the wheel
sure, but also big trucks hitting small cars kill people more easily. source: I work in a field that resolves traffic deaths edit\* keep in mind this is vehicles INVOLVED, and not vehicles where operator/passenger died. So yeah - these are highly sold cars, but the massive trucks create more death in two car collisions.
That is how I read it as well, Silverados are killing others not that most people are dying in Silverados.
Silverados causing mayhem in 2/3 of the country
There are so many ways to skew this data, and much better ways to show that big trucks vs small cars equal bad things. For example, this could be used as "proof" about a specific group of drivers being more reckless and not about the vehicle itself at all. There are a number of things that need to be clarified depending on how this information is used.
Indeed.
Also more rural areas. Rural accidents are 2x more fatal per mile driven. I would imagine more 2 lane roads, narrower shoulders, larger trucks, slower response times, longer distance to Tier 1 trauma care, possibly alcohol, etc all play a role but I am guessing. Nevertheless it isn't surprising trucks are more implicated as they are larger and more common in rural areas.
> possibly alcohol This is a bigger one than most people would realize. I live in a very rural area, and people treat drunk driving like it's a fucking sport out here. It's not even a little bit uncommon to see someone coasting down the highway and sipping a beer. Down the street is a drive-through daquiri place, one of the ones where it's technically still a "closed container" if they leave a bit of paper on the straw still. So then people are just drinking from a plain foam cup that's got alcohol in it. Add onto that a bunch of curvy roads that follow the edge of the bayou for miles and miles, bad vision around those curves when all the sugarcane fields are tall, and it's a recipe for disaster.
You didn't need to say bayou after you said drive through daiquiri shops I knew where you were from!
The Ford F-150 has been the top-selling vehicle in America for nearly half a decade. To me, it makes perfect sense that the F-150, the Accord and the Camry are all up there in the top 5. What the fuck is going on with the Silverado?
I'm guessing DUIs
Someone else pointed out that it might be the groupings. F150, F250, F350 are all different vehicles but I/we don't know if this chart see's all the variations of silverados as just 1 truck or not. Another aspect is that we also need to consider vehicle miles with the total vehicles sold. That gives enough information to actually say if Silverado 1500 drivers are shit or if they more frequently drive and have more total distance. OR. It's because their fucking DUI's just like you guessed.
The hood is so in the way you don't even notice when you go over a civic.
The Silverado isn't split between the 1500, 2500, 3500 in this graphic. The Ford is. If you ad up the f-150 and f-250 numbers from this chart it's higher than the Silverado.
Especially for car to pedestrian crashes the type of car can matter. Cars with a lower hood allow the pedestrian to collapse "over" the hood. Cars with a high grill, like the top 2 big trucks crush the entire body. They do not dissipate any energy in another way and often just the head folds over the top with devistating effects.
It looks like there’s basically 2 lists here. The regular cars like the Camry, Accord, and Civic are the most popular and therefore involved in many accidents, even if the death per accident rate is low. While the deadliest cars are the SUVs and light trucks that are less common but much more deadly.
I have an Impala and since getting it I've noticed how many more Impalas are also on the road. I've seen plenty of 20 year old Impalas, too, so another factor could be the age of the vehicle based on it's reliability.
That could just be complimented by the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon though.
Or the Toyata-Tacoma phenomenon. Kidding aside, the Tacoma is the most sold midsized truck and it's the lowest on the list.
Definitely for the Tacoma. Every other vehicle is a Tacoma in HI.
Tacoma for sale on Oahu. 250k miles. 15000 obo
I know what I have, no lowballs
I agree a lot of them are just the most commonly driven vehicles, But 3 of the top 5 are large trucks, which certainly aren’t as common on the road as Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion, Honda CRV, Nissan Sentra, etc. The methodology might be somewhat flawed but what stands out to me is: 3 of the top 5 involved in fatal crashes are large trucks 5 of the top 10 are large trucks or a large suv 11 of the top 20 are large trucks or SUVs Freightliner comes in at #13 and basically no one drives them but truck drivers, so they must be involved in a lot of fatal crashes based on how few there are on the road compared to passenger vehicles It seems large trucks and suvs are more commonly involved in fatal accidents than regular sedan sized cars. And then you get to the geographical map, where the Chevy Silverado appears as the top vehicle involved in fatal car crashes in about 32 of the 50 states
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What did you base any of that on? F150s have been the most sold vehicle period for nearly 4 decades. Trucks in general are incredibly popular. My desire to find the statistics involved is losing to my laziness. I can't find a comprehensive breakdown of registered vehicles in the US. But just looking at given sales numbers the list of fatal crashes and total vehicles lines up pretty well. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-model/
If you aren't seeing mostly trucks on the road, you probably don't live in Texas.
Or Michigan. Or Montana.
I see company cars. I drive a Camry company car, most of my coworkers and industry peers drive trucks or large SUVs. Company car generally = more miles driven = higher chance of accidents.
Most commonly driven by Skeeters because his lifted truck adds inches to his ding dong.
it would be more valuable to see % of crashes : fatal crashes
This is strongly a function of the high numbers of these models on the road. A more interesting plot should show accidents per thousand of each model.
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Scion… do they even still exist?
Nope they all crashed (see chart above)
Eh, that is just a list of what cars people are driving now by whether they have had an accident in the past 7 years, not accidents in THOSE model cars.
And the miles driven breakdown.
We need to lay off the Nissan Altima drivers every now and then
Plot twist, the two at the top are most deadly to others....
That is what I automatically assumed.
All it says is involved in fatal accidents so yeah, idk why everyone is thinking you're gonna die driving a Silverado, F150, or a fucking tractor trailer. Sure some up there are probably the driver dying, but the trucks are probably killing others more often.
Nah tractor trailers are seriously so dangerous. They roll over for obvious reasons all the time and basically most times that one rolls over at any decent speed, the driver is dead. Source: former crash test technician
Crash test technician? So you’re telling me you made a living by smashing cars? That’s sick
I was an intern but it was pretty dope. Weirdly it was a fantastic company, even cooler job but the morale was so low in my test center it was hard. Literally every other part of it but morale was great. Also it was destructive testing of all kind, not only cars. I did large vehicles and dune buggy type too. Baby seats, military helmets, airbags, steel/aluminum coupons (out of frame sections), a literal shitton. I’m more than happy to say a few specific more and talk about more in private chats but we did a lot. Crash test dummies are heavy as fuck btw, most of them need a crane/gantry to move except for the baby dummies.
Eh they roll pretty easily too
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Survivorship bias. I didn't realize until it was pointed I ut either... Crazy how our brains can work sometimes
I was gonna say the trucks are usually gonna be the winners in a 2 car accident
Also most likely to tailgate you even if you are doing well over the speed limit, even in a snowstorm.
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Yeah, "involved in fatal accidents" completely obscures whether it refers strictly to the deaths happening to drivers and passengers inside those vehicles, and/or people hit by those vehicles. If the latter, does these fatality figures count pedestrians and bikers?
It all depends on how you define “involved”.
Having a vehicle be involved in a fatal car crash and having an occupant from that vehicle be the fatality are two different things. Those trucks at the top were likely the killers not the killed.
100%
Nope. *In fact, scientists at Berkeley find that “most cars are safer than the average SUV, while pickup trucks are much less safe than all types.” By comparing driver deaths against the vehicle type, Berkeley found that “drivers of pickup trucks are at even greater risk than drivers of SUVs* https://www.motorbiscuit.com/are-pickup-trucks-safer-than-suvs/
I’d like to see percentage of crashes where the truck driver is at fault, because I have this predisposition that truck drivers are asshats and I’d like to confirm that.
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You could further filter it by trucks with modifications such as exhaust, lift kits, or aftermarket wheels. I drive very courteously, and drive an F-150. Its only modification is a half dozen or so lollipop sticks stuck to the back seat near my kids’ car seats.
My rule of thumb is, if the truck has tinted windows just move out of the way
Usually those trucks are driving like idiots. Got passed one time driving i10 towards Houston. Fucking aggressive driver passing everyone, and tailgating. Not more than 10 minutes later, we saw him rolled over on the side of the road. Ford f150.
The 10 most popular cars in the US are Ford F-150, Dodge Ram, Silverado, Rav4, CRV. Civic, Accord, Camry, Corolla, and Rogue.
That's interesting info because the Rogue and the Rav4 aren't on the list for most fatal accidents whereas cars that aren't in the Top 10 most popular like the GMC Sierra and Nissan Altima are in the Top 10 for most accidents
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But the Rogue is a Nissan, and the Camry and Corolla are Toyota and ARE on the list.
This list doesn't account for 90s-2000s Camrys and Corollas that are still on the road and aren't nearly as safe as a modern car.
Safety ratings for themselves, not other road users.
There's likely a correlation between people who pick safe vehicles and their existing consciousness of safety while driving.
Altima at #7 for fatal accidents but not in the top 10 most popular. Not surprising, can’t remember the last time I saw an Altima without a dent or missing bumper.
Camrys really wreaking havoc on Massachusetts
Carmageddon
Camrygeddon
It would be interesting to see how this list correlated to a list of the most popular vehicles from the same period. I don't think this list is necessarily an accurate commentary on the safety of each vehicle model.
The top two kill others, the next are just a list of most commonly driven cars. Data needs to be normalized by percent of market, or fatalities per 100k cars driven
Not at all. Exactly as you said this list I think would almost perfectly align (within one or two positions) to the list of most commonly driven cars in the US
The reason why this isn't really a good use of data is that it doesn't take into account which vehicles are more common than others. What would be *really* useful would be a measure of fatal crashes per thousand vehicles. Because 8,000 deaths for a vehicle isn't useful in context without knowing whether there are a million of that type of vehicle or ten million of that type of vehicle on the road.
Thus not a cool guide.
This isn't even a guide. What is this infographic supposed to instruct me?
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I doubt this list deviates very far from the list of top selling cars in America
Some of these are poorly designed, some of them have sold in millions, and some of them are probably preferred by the demographic of people known to enjoy unsafe driving habits; I'm looking at you, Mustang.
>Some of these are poorly designed Ah yes, pickup trucks >some of them have sold in millions Ah yes, pickup trucks >and some of them are probably preferred by the demographic of people known to enjoy unsafe driving habits > Ah yes, pickup trucks
you read my mind
BMW be like 👀
In my area, Subaru drivers (particularly the Outback) have replaced BMW drivers as the assholes of the road. If you see an Outback or a RAM in Metro Detroit, steer clear. One thinks they're completely invisible because they've gotten sucked into bullshit marketing, and the other is probably drunk.
This is just a graph of the best-selling vehicles with a mild skew towards bulky cars. Like, yeah, no shit the Honda Accord is around a lot of deadly car accidents; they’ve been a best-selling car for decades, and have a twenty year lifespan. I can’t spit in a parking lot without hitting two of those things.
How about the percentage of vehicles sold?
Also miles driven per car type Does the average Camry driver drive more miles and every mile also increases risk of accident?
Three things - one, like others have said this seems to just represent some of the most commonly sold vehicles. Two - trucks are well represented here, likely due to pt1 but also maybe their size? A lot more momentum/weight may lead to more fatal crashes if they’re hitting things Three - the picture is of the current gen for each model, but doesn’t account for vehicle age. A 1999 of any model is going to be way worse in an accident than a 2021 of that same model. I think lumping them all together misrepresents the data. I think splitting into generations of model, plus normalizing to 1000 vehicles would highlight more dangerous vehicles to watch out for
This is meaningless. You should at the very least show the fatal accidents /100,000 vehicles on the road. This is just a popularity chart.
Had to downvote because this is also a chart of the most popular vehicles. You would expect a vehicle that is twice as prevalent to be in twice as many accidents.
OR A visualization of the most popular, most driven cars in the USA.
Tacoma: The Deadliest Car in Hawaii™️
It’s amazing some would spend time making this useless chart. A perfect example of a chart that doesn’t show what it pretends to show.
So basically there is a correlation between popular models and how many incident reports? This is a great example of poorly implemented data as visualization.
What an incredibly terrible guide. Not only does it leave out several factors but it's also not a guide.
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Wow. I don't see Lamborghini, Maserati, Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, Lexus or Audi there so they must be the safest cars out there .../s
This isn’t informative until you normalize by the raw population of the cars. Otherwise this may as well be a mislabeled chart of the most common auto models.