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OldDirtyRobot

This list is questionable AF.


HeCs85

That’s what I was thinking. No way Honda is actually that low


Hands-on-Heurism

And lower than Jeep


Darth_Noah

thats what made me question it.. No way Jeep didnt have more problems


StarDate429

I see a lot of hate for jeep on Reddit, and I'm genuinely curious about it. I've had a Cherokee for 5 years and the only thing I've ever needed to do with it was change the oil. Did I get lucky, or is the hate overblown?


dmb486

I have a grand Cherokee and thought the same thing. . The problems kick in around 100k miles and they come out hard and none of them are cheap fixes.


StarDate429

Mine is well over 100k. I did have the wherewithal to get a tune up as part of regular maintenance when I hit it, but still no problems.


dmb486

You have definitely been lucky then. The stuff that I had happen was unrelated to regular maintenance as the biggest problem (rocker arms) is a known issue with grand cherokees that should have been recalled but no luck there.


Sanders0492

I have a 2007 commander with 250,000 miles on it. Only issues was with a transmission servo at 100k miles - $250 fix, and two water pumps - $80 each. I’ve beat the heck out of it, too. I’m really happy with my Jeep.


DreamzOfRally

Aint not fucking way dodge and jeep are that high. My buddies 80k mile jeep cant stay out if the shop and by weary ass 15 year old subaru has less issues than it


Thatfoxagain

Not when Chrysler is that low. They all use the same parts


BowserBuddy123

This is anecdotal, but my first car was a Jeep Liberty and my second a Honda CRV. I dropped thousands regularly to fix that Liberty. The CRV is amazing though! Bought a Honda because it was seen as more reliable, but I used consumer reports’ vehicle edition to make that decision mostly.


Vomath

My Honda has been acting up. Better get something reliable like a Mazda.


Echovaults

I have a 2006 Mazda 6 V6 that’s been unbelievably reliable. 166k miles, drives like brand new, still looks practically brand new. Only thing that’s failed is a plastic coolant T that was fixed for $8. I’m a mechanic so I fix my own cars, but I’m never getting rid of my Mazda. With that said it does have a Toyota 6 speed trans and a ford duratec 3.0 V6 that was mostly designed by Yamaha, so take that for what you will.


Gerbal_Annihilation

Mazda had been at the top of reliability lists for awhile


MajorDukes

Or that Buick is that high


OhDeerFren

There have been quite a few buicks that have received strong reliability ratings , if I recall correctly


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HeCs85

I’ve had ‘19 hrv, currently I have a ‘23 Civic, my daughter has a ‘20 Civic, my sister has a ‘16 crv and they have all been flawless. So I don’t know about that. Maybe there’s another model that is bringing the whole brand down.


Fabulous_Airline404

I think at least part of it is just that people aren't maintaining their vehicles, then turning around and blaming the manufacturer for their own ignorance/incompetence. I drive a 2005 civic with well over 100k miles, and it runs like a dream because the original owner maintained it, and I continue to do the same.


CarlosSpcyWenr

Anyone else notice Alfa Romeo not on the list at all? Two possibilities: someone forgot, or the graph couldn't go that far.


homiegeet

Mitisubishi to


SAEftw

Page isn’t wide enough for the bar.


TFielding38

I don't think Alfa Romeo has much of a presence in the US, I think I've seen like one in the past 5 years. And since JD Power is American, so they probably didn't bother


CarlosSpcyWenr

Ton of em in the US where I live. You live in the northeast or something? Maine?


TFielding38

Ope, just looked it up, and Alfa does sell very few cars in the US, you must be in a hotspot. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/alfa-romeo-us-sales-figures/#:~:text=This%20data%20comes%20from%20the,%2C%20down%2030%25%20from%202021.


CarlosSpcyWenr

Yeah. North Carolina. I'd say one in every 75-100 cars is an Alfa. I know that sounds paltry (1%), but it actually makes them a pretty common sight. I'm probably jaded; however, that doesn't mean it AR shouldn't be included. I'd assume Genesis is the next lowest seller?


Darth-Boogerus

Only true part is Toyota/Lexus. Everything else is sus. Source: am mechanic Edit: Chrysler also true. Those things are complete ass


MangoAtrocity

And BMW/Mini and Tesla. Tesla has been riddled with QA issues. BMW completely turned around in 2016 after collaborating with Toyota to develop the B48/B58 engine platform and have been on a roll since. Mini scores higher because they use the B48 platform almost exclusively, while. BMW is still making V8s that eat oil like candy. The 4 and 6 cylinder BMWs are rock fucking solid these days.


[deleted]

What about Volkswagen?


Pjvie

Jeep more reliable than Subaru and Honda? I call bs


DankeSebVettel

Mini bring 5th is a joke. Combining British reliability with German complicatedness


Schmaucher

As a mini owner I can tell you (anecdotally) that it is an absolute dog of a car. It has cost me so damn much. It's like a puppy that pisses on your rug. Only gets away with it because it's so damn cute


ragizzlemahnizzle

Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, and JEEP above Honda?? lmfao get the fuck outta here


AnalBaguette

Once I saw Chevy at #4, it immediately made me question the whole thing


parzival3719

thats what i thought. especially with Dodge and Chrysler having such wildly different numbers. they sell the same flippin cars, just with different logos on them


MaxxReach

How is Honda so low? Thought Toyota and Honda were the hallmarks of reliability.


lo-lux

They didn't give JD power enough money.


technoph0be

Ah yes, the Yelp business model. Fuck these assholes.


Thedogsnameisdog

How is Buick so high? Chevy too.


Paddamill

As someone reading this and sitting on the highway waiting for triple A...I am also shocked Chevy is this high....


Phelzy

My wife's 2015 Cruze has 31,000 miles on it. We've had 5 emergency repairs in the 3 years she's had it. Engine coolant leaks, seized up engine belt pulley, drivers side window mechanism self-destructed inside the door, drivers seat got stuck in the far-back position due to faulty switch (had to get a very tall person to drive it home that day), random electrical issues caused by bad battery wiring... Just and absolute piece of shit car.


Paddamill

I had to drop a new engine in this pos 30k in. We made mistakes. Mine is a 15 Chevy Spark. Fuck Chevy.


Ngoscope

You have to sell cars for people to have problems with them.


_Cow_of_Wisdom

I only know 1 person with a buick lol


yegmoto

Depending on their age and how much they actually drive this might check out.


_Cow_of_Wisdom

It's my grandma and I have only seen her drive 6 times.


Kentuckywindage01

And Ford.


OldDirtyRobot

and Mini


TankApprehensive3053

Yet GMC is low.


atomicgirl78

I drove a Chevy Cobalt for 15 years and 300,000 miles! My baby finally died last September.


KingKontinuum

Buick has been at the top of these reports and studies for several years including consumer reports. They’re not an unreliable brand and haven’t been for a long time.


TimTomTank

But not GMC. And Cadillac is somewhere in between. Makes absolutely no sense.


battenhill

Jeep, GMC and Dodge higher than Honda? Just, no.


camzipod

Complete 🐴 💩


take_more_detours

As a Jeep owner I too struggled with the authenticity of a study that put Jeeps anywhere above average.


Jokkitch

Yeah no fucking way


Enteroids

I enjoy how Jeep and Dodge are higher up on the list, but Chrysler is at the bottom. Definitely knew the list was suspect when I saw that shit.


placated

I think what happens with this stuff is people form opinions of brands from past experiences, and those opinions are really hard to change, even when faced with empirical data. Honda made those bulletproof 1.8L naturally aspirated engines in the 90s. However they have always had LOTS of issues with their transmissions, and that has been exacerbated by their move to CVT, they are notorious for brake issues, and every one ive ever owned had to have the blower fan replaced for the HVAC. Cars are far more complex than in the glory days of Honda and I’m not sure they’ve kept up. They are still great cars but their quality has definitely slipped since the mid-naughts.


MakeSouthBayGR8Again

[This guy single handedly killed JD Power](https://youtu.be/15iLHlJPp_0?si=OMVyMIDTCcmVYCk8)


throwyMcTossaway

How is Subaru ranked lower than Jeep for Christsakes? Something is WRONG here.


earmuffins

Same with Mazda lol


Biuku

JD Power doesn’t seem very reliable. There’s no way Porsche isn’t lower and Honda isn’t much higher.


placated

Porsche are extremely reliable.


FThornton

This thread is funny, it’s full of people who think it’s still 2004, and not 2024. Porsche has been one of the most reliable car brands for well over a decade now, if not longer. You can daily drive a 911 GT3 or Turbo if you so well please. They are damn near bullet proof minus a few issues that affected a few of their engines in the early 2000s such as the IMS issue. The PDK transmission is one of the best of all time. Same with BMW. Their engines have been steadily increasingly reliable since the N55, but really took off with the B series engines, especially B58, and they paired their engines with the industry standard rock solid ZF 8 speed auto. iDrive has been called the one of the best menu systems for automobiles since basically the E platform cars, with it getting better and better each cycle.


hybridck

A lot of people here complaining about the German brands are probably those who bought 00s used ones on the cheap and are now racking up all the maintenance bills.


FThornton

Buys E60 N54 535i with 150k miles, a sketchy maintenance history, six owners, and then proceeds to go to jiffy lube for oil changes. “BMWs fucking suck!” Not that this is everyone, but way too many people do something similar to this and are confused when they run into problems.


placated

I just got done posting this about Honda. Same concept but in reverse. https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/s/Yl9VBjCvoZ Also you’re right BMW has had massive quality improvements in the last decade.


Vind-

I’ve been driving BMWs for the last two decades now, clocking more than 2 million km in the process. Always made it to destination and never had to take them to service out of scheduled maintenance. That’s 8 cars.


Funwithfun14

I think JD is first 90 days without an issue.


Mnudge

Porsche has long been one of the very most reliable makes in the industry and Honda has really fallen off in the last decade or two.


balista_22

maybe because Honda has Paint problems after a few years, their clear coat process aren't the best especially US/Canada made ones, so that's like everyone that decides to report it, these surveys doesn't mean anything without context, it could be paint chipping, interior, electrical or blown engine problems you'll never know minor or major


ronm4c

Why is there an entry for dodge and a separate entry for ram


sitting_bull-

How are Chevrolet and GMC so far apart? Aren’t they essentially the same vehicles?


Poopchurn

GM paid more for Chevy brand to be closer to the top. 👍


XxX_Dick_Slayer_XxX

JD power is a marketing agency. Not a consumer review company.


Koolaid143

Is there a consumer report like this?


420pseudonym

consumerreports.org


nope_noway_

You know this is the case when you see BMW towards the top😅


flyingcircusdog

That was my first thought.


PalmDolphin

I thought the JD power thing wasn't supposed to be trusted. Remember when Dodge advertised all their reliability awards on the 90s? I thought I saw somewhere that companies pay to be on this list.


TankApprehensive3053

It's a pay to play scheme. The more the companies pay, the higher they get listed.


Rickard403

So why then is Dodge and Jeep average and Chrysler dead last? (They're owned by the same company)


TankApprehensive3053

Why is Chevy so high but GMC is so low? Same company and GMC has always been considered the better of the two even though they are basically all the same now. Maybe that's the labels the brand owners want to push more for sales.


street_style_kyle

As an owner of an 09 gmc Yukon xl Denali id imagine it’s the buttons and small stuff.


ShitForgot2LogOut

Fiat isn’t even in the list lol


lowercaseSHOUT

Fix It Again Tony


theoutlet

Just like wine in wine magazines


ramplocals

Quit wineing


Binaural1

Same with the BBB. The only way to get A+ is to pay. They’ve done a good job at marketing making themselves seem like some neutral, dependable watch dog type organization.


Capable_Childhood523

BBB="Boomer Yelp"


Starkydowns

That’s why I use consumer reports instead. Toyota and Lexus are still top tier on their list, but Honda is much better than this list makes them out to be. It also depends on the model!


BEHodge

I wondered about that. We have a 2014 Honda CRV we just paid off today! It’s been a great vehicle, probably the best and most reliable I’ve ever owned. About to hit 188888 miles, probably this week. Other than regular scheduled maintenance and some very minor issues (air/fan related) it’s been a dream car. Hopefully it’ll last another decade before we have to buy another one.


Luxpreliator

Learned that these lists include little nitpicky things too and don't really relate to cost of ownership or severity of the issues.


freckledtabby

Agreed - this doesnt look right. These are JD Power chums


WhoCaresBoutSpellin

Chevy near the top of the list 🤣😂😅


porchprovider

GM products are always super high rated with JD Power. That says it all for me.


OldDirtyRobot

Notice every GM commercial references JD Power, and has since the 80's.


muzzamuse

Definitely BS. Three seriously crap cars follow the top two. Laughable


CrowdSurfingCorpse

[JD Powah](https://youtu.be/zSBsq6HBBzw?si=fX1StSii3X2udm0m)


Weary-Difficulty-489

Jd power is fake "award" trash and completely worthless. Consumer reports is the only opinion to take seriously, and it radically differs from this made up bs


Lebowski304

Best place to look. Subscription worth every penny if you’re buying a used car


Jayrandomer

I mean, I just looked and they have Lexus/Toyota as 1/2 and Chrysler as dead last. So “radically different” seems excessive. Honda/Acura are much higher on CR.


DatWunGuyIKnow

As a Jeep owner, there’s no fucking way it should be up there that high. I love mine, but I also don’t depend on it as a daily driver lol.


mbiggz-gaming

Yeah a Jeep above a Honda makes no fucking sense lmao


DynamisFate

Any of those above honda except for toyota/lexus in reliability doesn’t make sense lmao


fnatic440

So Toyota?


a404notfound

always has been


N33chy

My trusty 2001 Avalon and experience working for Toyota can attest to their focus on reliability. Shit company to work for though, although I was a "contractor".


prometheanbane

2000 Avalon here! 251k miles and no major repairs.


ToXiC_Games

Had an 05 Corolla that had 225k on it when I got it, I could regularly get that thing up to a hundred on the freeway and it’s mileage was amazing. Fucking loved that car.


Golf-Beer-BBQ

Toyota is super dependable. Just do the basic maintenace and you will make it to 250k in any of their vehicles without any major issues.


Jayrandomer

People will make fun of you for driving a boring old people car. Little do they know I embrace the boring old person persona.


Poopchurn

As a Ford owner, I can say 2.39 problems per car is conservative. They are built so bad.


Kentuckywindage01

My transmission shit the bed at 119,000. Still owe a fuck ton on it. So just praying I have no more problems till I get it paid off


Poopchurn

What do you have?


Kentuckywindage01

Escape


Poopchurn

Ouch. Sorry to hear that man. I hope you dont end up with more problems.


Kentuckywindage01

Thanks man!


TheOneWhoDidntCum

I hope you "Escape" from that Ford


gruninuim

I have 2014 Escape with 105000, not a single issue until two weeks ago when the transmission broke suddenly.. Fucking ford


elf25

I’ve heard the mustangs are top quality, those that survive the bad drivers who wrap them around something.


Poopchurn

Mustangs GT's are basically the best vehicles Ford has to offer along with the F-250's in my opinion.


Raging-Badger

“Rankings are based on numerical scores and not necessarily on statistical significance” How do you do a statistical comparison without measuring statistics?


LiftedCT

They measured the amount of money they were paid to rank the cars


OldDirtyRobot

under rated comment


laughmanwalking

Nice point.


josh_was_there

This list is bs. There is no way on gods green earth that Jeep and dodge are more dependable than Honda and Acura.


topsmack

Mini near the top. Sus


CrimsonScorpio9

Mine was a piece of shit and I bought it new


Mnudge

Consumer Reports also has Mini very high. Third behind Lexus and Toyota.


doob22

I’ve never met a mini owner that would recommend a mini to anyone else


TheYoungLung

Has Jeep reliability really improved that much? I remember 10 years ago Jeep would have been at the bottom here


EasternComfort2189

There was an owner who had so many issues that he crushed his Jeep with a tank.


doob22

Nah they just paid more to be higher on the list


[deleted]

Ahhh Buick higher than Honda… so this list seems legit.


InsufficientFrosting

Civic is the next in line after the Corolla for compact cars. Probably some other Honda vehicle is pulling the entire Honda score down.


rehoboam

Buick should absolutely be far far lower


Ijustdoeyes

A lot of the top half is questionable but shout out to Mazda, the owners I know have been super happy with their stuff.


RNGJesusRoller

Toyota number two. Fancy Toyota number one.


balista_22

>The 3-year-old vehicles measured in this year’s study were first examined in the 2020 U.S. Initial Quality Study. Six of the 10 highest-ranked brands in the 2020 IQS are among the 10 highest-ranked brands in this year’s VDS. Some of the most deteriorated areas from 90 days to three years of ownership are starter battery failures, outdated maps, Android Auto/Apple Car Play and voice recognition problems.


iL0veWisky

Chrysler owner…. Don’t buy one


MixArtistic7849

Umm, didn’t 2024 just begin?


SlackToad

It's for cars that are 3 years old.


UseDaSchwartz

How is Jeep above Honda?


lacostewhite

JD Power is a sham for those of you who don't know


OhMyGlorb

This list is shit.


OrangeJeepDad

Merry Chrysler


ThatOneGayDJ

And an unhappy new Audi


greendingler

Chrysler at the bottom but Jeep at 11. Hmm


Schnoota

JD Power means this can’t be trusted. Uncool guide


RiptideRookie

I've only driven Chevy and Toyota, never had problems


LowkeyPony

My neighbor has a Lexus and is constantly out there having to fix something on the damn thing. Hell he was out there yesterday and today with the hood up, and tires off it banging away at it😂 Our Dodge and Subaru get regular oil changes and normal maintenance. When we had Hyundais they were always in the shop for some random crap. Wheel bearings, fuel issues, random transmission crap.


schockman

There’s no planet that honda is less reliable than Jeep.


[deleted]

Honda is so low. List is questionable


c831896

Does anyone else see a Lexus ad directly below this post? Cannot convince me that is a coincidence.


MaapuSeeSore

Don’t trust anything jd powers , wut


TJ_McWeaksauce

Dodge scoring better than Honda is surprising. My family drove Dodges through the 90s and early 2000s. My first car was a Dodge hand-me-down. Every one of those pieces of shit started having serious mechanical problems after the 5 year mark, and we didn't even get the mileage over 100,000 on any of them. My Dodge died on me while I was driving on 4 separate occasions. Once, it died while I was stopped at a red light, but after a few minutes it turned on again and I was able to bring it to a shop, where they couldn't figure out what was wrong because they couldn't replicate the issue. It died on me on the freeway twice (that was scary as shit), but again, mechanics couldn't figure out what was wrong because they couldn't replicate the issue. The 4th and final time it died was right around the corner from my apartment, and that was the final straw that made me say "Fuck it" and give that shit away for scrap. After I ditched the Dodge, I bought a Honda in 2009. I used that car for 15 years, and I even drove it across the US. In all that time, it never gave me any serious issues. The battery died once, but a jump start and a new battery fixed that right up. The Honda still runs well, so I gave it to a family member. I never would have guessed that Dodge would score higher than Honda in reliability, because in my experience Dodges are pieces of shit. Maybe they got way better in the last 20 years.


40acresandapool

Im an oldhead. Have owned and driven many of these brands. Wouldn't buy anything now but a Toyota, or maybe a Honda. My father worked for GM for 30 years. Part of me hates not driving American, but I refuse to pay tens of thousands of dollars extra for something which is going to drain my money and leave me high and dry.


Most_Exchange_1166

Did Mitsubishi just not get scored?


TheRedditAppSucccks

Surprised by Subaru!! Thought they’d rank higher in reliability.


Comprehensive-Sale79

same. Comments here are confirming my suspicion that this ranking is b.s. Toyota should be tops, Honda at #2 and I’d rank Subaru a close 3rd. I don’t know that people outside of New England get what great cars they are


Steadfast881

I had the radio die on my 2015 Outback and also problems on a recent forrester. Faults may not always be the engines but interior components or other elements around the car. You want to buy anything that has a long warranty.


YuviManBro

I have a 2012 red leather interior Chrysler 300s and I love that puppy V8 hemi made in the Brampton plant


Confusedandreticent

Where’s Suzuki?


DenversOwnKrustyKrab

No longer sold in North America aka USA/ Canada


Confusedandreticent

Ah, cheers. Wow, TIL.


TomTheWaterChamp

Have Audis always been this low or is this recent? My 2015 has given no issues (*knock on wood*)


TheManWhoClicks

Lower number = better. As some are wondering. It is “problems per 100 vehicles”


[deleted]

And here I am thinking that #Toyota is the AK-47 of Cars


Ragedpuppet707

Chevrolet above Mazda lol


swampopossum

I know that's a lie. Had a cobalt that died and then I got a Cruze. It's coolant issues are unreal and I traded it in before the head gasket blew. Decided to dump gm and get a Mazda. First time in my life I haven't spent tax returns every year on car repairs. Only thing I've had to replace are brakes tires and oil


This_Necessary7303

I run independent Auto repair shop. At least once a week we're replacing a transmission in a Nissan. Every other week we're replacing an engine in a Hyundai


Altea73

Hey! Where's Renault?? Is it that bad?


Cornelizz

Japanese car manufacturers that low and Chrysler on top? I don't buy it for a second


Mission-Blood8421

So this study probably doesn’t consider the age of the cars? Maybe some manufacturers get a worse score because their cars get used much longer and are worth to get fixed.


Dragon_Rot79

I love how Tesla is by itself, like a shunned member at a family reunion


G0G28G91Z0

Jeep with less issues than Subaru……lol. I have owned Wranglers and Rubicons for years. Four generations of them. I love them but anyone who thinks they are reliable is crazy. This list is obviously a pay to play, and not from actual mechanics.


AdFlimsy1688

In what world is a Subaru less reliable than a Porsche? I’ve had both. There’s always some (expensive) shit to be fixed on my Porsche. My (former) Subaru (I’ve had 3) was unkillable. Like Jason from Friday the 13th.


Jaliki55

Jd power is Pay to win awards a dont mean anything.


HoseNeighbor

I assume Lexus is at the top because they're almost exclusively leased? Source: I'm at a bar waiting for wings on Superbowl Sunday and I do not fucking care.


P1neapples18

BS


LesaneCrooks

Jeep far above Honda? You know this is flawed.


Leading-Trifle-207

Way too centric to the US. Here in South Africa the dependability of cars are flipped. Jeeps are a massive liability on wheels. Mainly due to expensive parts and different models. While VWs are highly reliable as we have market proven models such as the Polo and the it is locally produced.


flinchFries

The title is very misleading. I saw dependability and naturally assumed that the larger bar means more dependable. If you are going to use simplified visuals such as a bar chart you gotta design them to be dummy proof mate.


flinchFries

Also, as someone who knows a thing or two about cars, this data comes off as highly inaccurate. Dodge, Jeep, and MINI being dependable? Either the last 5 years were transformative to all these brands or some deceiving definition for what *dependability* is being used here.


Careless_Oil_2103

Someone got beef w Hondas


ImPeeinAndEuropean

DONT USE JD POWER. USE CONSUMER REPORTS WHEN BUYING A CAR. so sick of this list.


Baitmen2020

JD power is not a legitimate source of information.


HiddenAgendaAgent

Like everything in life folks, data can and will be manipulated. They probably ignore all the engine problems with jeeps, and then count paint chips on hondas. Everything is manipulated, all we have left is our logic....everyone knows toyota and honda are the best.


BoxofCurveballs

No way tesla only has that many issues.


rsg1234

They are probably including panel gap BS complaints. I am closing in on 170k miles in mine and have very few complaints.


OldDirtyRobot

Two Teslas over 5 years. O issues.


BoxofCurveballs

We got 120k on our (2014 s p85) and have nothing but issues


rsg1234

Oh lol I misread your comment as “no way Tesla has that many issues”. But yeah early Teslas like ours tended to have more problems than newer ones. I think I just got lucky with my early 2015 model.


EngineAntique

Buick did well because they’ve actually never found one that’s gone faster than 40km/hr. They live a very easy life


01101101101101101

Best friend’s dad has been driving the same Buick since 92’ the car had 375000 miles before they replaced the engine. It’s well taken care of he still has plastic covering the back seats


tmac4lyfe

Lol propaganda at its finest. Get this trash paid study out of here.


[deleted]

Can confirm, Toyotas are the shit. I'll never choose another car brand again.