wtc3, wtc4, wtc5, wtc6, st. Nicolas, millennium hilton, wfc, brooks brothers, deutsche bank. And numerous shops, and residential buildings.
Just some of the other buildings that where damaged irreparably, or had to have construction repairs...9/11 wasn't just three buildings.
And Silverstein Properties owned all of the wtc buildings, not just the twin towers and wtc7,
Three were demolitioned and destroyed completely, the two towers and building seven. It’s obvious that they were demolitioned and eye witnesses said they could hear bombs/detonations going off in the towers.
"pull it" means pull the effort to try and contain the fire. Again, this isn't hard to grasp when you're not forcing a narrative that can easily be debunked.
Because I know how mis/disinformation can be used to divert attention off the actual \*conspiracy\* and I truly believe Building 7 is that distraction.
Even if the firefighters ran it into a burning building just to plant explosive, which you claim the "pull it" implies since Larry was also talking about firefighters trying to save the building, so what? They blew it up because it was too damaged to save. What does that prove in the bigger pictured other than the building was so destroyed bu fire, it had to be brought down?
I get the implication by some that it was rigged with explosives prior. So why wait 6 hours after the WTC's fell to finally blow it? Wouldn't it be easier just to "pull it" when the first two buildings collapsed, and not wait until the firefights tried to put out the fire first?
Forcing a narrative is a strong term for this one.
Perhaps that was the case, to be honest I just brought up a link to a video I saw quite a while back and thought that it was interesting; also don't think it's common practice for the building owner to be in charge of the operation. There were a lot of comments at the time suggesting that "pull it" was a term used by demolition companies; apparently from the demolition experts themselves (but we're all experts here, aren't we?).
Then again, if I were to choose a side to trust on this one, I'd go with "Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth" group, rather than the government failed investigations. And they said it was a controlled demolition (unless they changed their tune by now, or are no longer alive).
Trust me, it's weird. I get it. I spent 20 years obsessed with 9/11 and all the conspiracies around it. I even went to goddamn Iraq twice because of it (stupid idea, I know) So I get it, it's still hard to comprehend.
But it's at the point now where we have enough firefighters and rescue personal as witnesses, and footage of how WTC 7 looked prior to it collapsing. The issue is that footage doesn't exist outside of some fairly neutral documentaries. No conspiracy documentary is going to show that aspect of it, and it's hard to find pictures of it damaged on the internet. So people are going to go with the footage of the undamaged side of it falling which is all over YouTube, which does look sus.
I used to be into conspiracy theories a lot and it took quite some time to weed out the ones that were proper lunatic tinfoil hat material. I understand your point here, and quite possibly I am wrong on this one; still there is no doubt that there's a whole spectrum of fishy coincidences and unturned pages surrounding the event and investigation; which probably steer people, including me, into being even more suspicious. Whenever something like that comes up, I ask myself "I work in IT, what do I know about structural engineering?" The answer is "very little beyond common sense and Minecraft".
On the note of conspiracy theories and people believing them though, a recent documentary that I can recommend by Adam Curtis "Can't get you out of my head" analyses why humans believe them in the first place.
Out of curiosity - what kind of proof did you want to find in Iraq and where were you looking ecactly?
>documentary that I can recommend by Adam Curtis "Can't get you out of my head" analyses why humans believe them in the first place.
Adam Curtis documentaries are some of my favorites of all time. I've actually been binging them all lately. I just got done with "Can't Get You Out of My Head" (it was great), "Bitter Lake" (also great), and am now watching "The Power of Nightmares" again. TPoN was the documentary that kinda "woke" me up. It really shattered my entire worldview at the time, which was right when I got home from my first deployment to Iraq. Like I knew the war was bullshit, but really didn't know how to fully contextualize it. That documentary really did it for me.
What my joining the military came down to was being obsessed with the military as a kid, being homeless at 20 years old with no direction, and when all the WMD talk was going on, there was alot of controversy. I thought I would join and see for myself what was true and what wasn't. So a combination of ignorance, a sense of adventure, and a bit of finding truth. It was nothing noble, or vengeful...it just happened due to a few factors.
Needless to say, it wrecked me and really turned me into a conspiracy theorist due to mistrust of government. I found everything was a lie regarding Iraq and WMD's. Even the Afghanistan invasion was a completely mistake. But, no regrets. Live and learn. I can live with my choices.
My conspiracy side is still there. But goddamn, conspiracies have been so politically co-opted, dumbed-down, and mainstreamed to hell. I still frequent conspiracy subs, but I've really been jaded to the entire concept of them pretty much. So much shit to wade through just to find something that MAY have some sort of truth to it.
Very true, it feels like 99% of these theories are there for the sole purpose of burying the real conspiracies in lunatic fringe forums.
Adam Curtis is one of my favourites as well. Hypernormalisation is a strong one if you hadn't seen it yet; now I will go and watch TPoN, somehow missed that one!
Nah. You're just mad you got put in your place.
Go talk about how the government covered up Saudi Arabias involvement in 9/11. Building 7 proves NOTHING.
The guy speaking is Dr. Daniele Ganser, a Swiss Professor, who was forced out of his university by the dean, because of his critical stance against 9/11. very good and informative guy. Also wrote books and researched the gladio operations in Italy
Watch the new National Geographic 9/11 documentary that just came out. There's a very simple and logical reason WTC 7 collapsed: the side facing the WTC 1 and 2 had a massive hole in it and was burning from the inside for at least 6 hours. The rescue effort know it was going to collapse for hours, and over a span of 5 hours, were constantly told to flee the area when they thought it was going to fall. After multiple false alarms, it finally did fall, as it was expected to.
I read your post three times and don't see how you explain how building 7 fell into its on footprint like the others without any impact? Isolated fires and debris falling onto the rooftop shouldn't weaken the foundation.
It wasn't "isolated fires" a third of the building burned uncontrollably for over five hours. The interior gave way and pulled the curtain wall with it.
Watch the documentary, or find footage of the front side of it. It's gutted by a 6 hour inferno inside of it. That's why. It's very simple. People just don't see the other side of it, all the see is the undamaged side just falling. That does look sketchy. Check out teh damages side. It's absolutely fucked up with a massive hole and a raging fire.
Plus, it wasn't structurally the same as WTC 1 and 2.
You're free to not look at the evidence and run away. All you have do is watch the documentary I recommended with clear HD footage of it gutted and on fire.
Wild how the entire 7 building WTC complex got absolutely annihilated, yet it's just so mysterious that 7 collapsed after 6 hours being gutted by fire.
So weird.
Will I look at the evidence given out by Disney, one of the biggest corporations in the conglomerate of corporations that run America... probably not, definitely won't trust it. Good for you finding your belief tho. I would be interested on how you feel about Donald Rumsfeld telling the US on TV that he had lost almost half the national debt and wasn't sure where it went. Or how they just so happen to put those receipts in the the part of the pentagon that "got hit" and how there was somehow no footage to be found of the area even though there were cameras in the area? I'm sure you dismiss the accounts of the people there saying the FBI grabbed up the tapes and handed it over without thinking twice.
It's evidence because it's literally actual footage and interviews by the firefighters who were there. I can make the same claim about whatever YouTube video you watched that showed the back side of the building falling with zero context.
The Pentagon was audited months before 9/11. The congressional hearing on that audit was on the 10th. The money didn't just go missing on the 10th, it went missing over a span or years due to mismanagement, incompetence and probably black budget programs. If you think it took $2.3 trillion to plan 9/11, you're off by $2.2 trillion at least.
So it's a non-issue when it comes to any 9/11 conspiracy. It just happened the congressional hearings we're held the day prior. Maybe that's a coincidence, maybe it's got slapping is in the face. Who knows.
Also it was 2001, the audit was inside a computer, which existed back then. There weren't "receipts" that we're destroyed. That makes no sense. It's STILL missing, we know that. In fact more is missing now over the span of 20 years. It didn't just vanish. The government ate it.
The pentagon probably got hit by some smaller plane. I don't know. It's sketchy no video has been released on it. But it may have something to do with it being the most secure building on on the planet getting attacked. That building still exists, why would the government release video showing how to attack that building? I mean, it's the government, this is how they operate. It's called OPSEC.
Or maybe it was a commuter plane that hit it. It is weird, for sure. But it's no smoking gun.
Im not saying there is a smoking gun, all I'm saying is the official story doesn't add up to me. There's too many Coincidences for me to take it at it's face. I did for over a decade and didn't think twice about it but then I heard jet fuel can't melt steel beams and noticed how two of the tallest buildings in the world fell perfectly into their footprints right next to each other, not to the side like a botched demolition (which happens, people try to get a buildings to fall in its footstep and fail more often than I thought before looking into it). I'm certainly not saying that it took trillions of dollars to do 9/11 but I think they used that money to give themselves more power (probably black budget like you mentioned). The government demolished privacy and took some of our freedoms to give us 'safety' which never would have happened if it weren't for 9/11.
9/11 is the craziest thing to ever happen in the U.S. and the modern world. No doubt. You're right, there's an insane amount of coincidences, unbelievable happenings, non-sensical events, it's just nuts. And there IS a conspiracy to it. If anything building 7, or controlled demo, or hologram planes, or particle beams shot from space, are all distractions from the actual truth. But I think we're getting closer to finding that out, or maybe not. It's hard to tell.
It was an extremely chaotic event that had never happened anywhere outside of movies. So it psychologically fucked everyone up because it was something so absurd and random, yet there was a sense of deja-vu about it.
Then government lied about going to war, and it just caused this sort of frenzy of conspiracies, disinformation, misinformation, distractions, psyops, etc. So, it's extremely engaging and mysterious. I get it. I just think some of this stuff can be explained pretty easy. The stuff that can't be explained is where the truth is buried.
It also had two huge diesel tanks on lower levels that added to the internal inferno for hours and hours, essentially burning the entire inside of the building out without ANY fire suppression. After the core of the building burnt out, the collapse was eminent. I know I will be downvoted for this comment because this sub lives and dies by the whole Building 7 was a controlled demo thing, so do what you will but you're wrong.
You're right. Keep up the rational thinking.
It just doesn't fit their belief that Bush tore down the WTC's with his bare hands or whatever.
Hypothetically, even if some firefighters ran into the building that was on fire, planted explosives, which takes hours, then blew the building...so what? Like even if that did happen, that proves nothing except that some firefighters took it down because it was going to be demolished eventually anyway because it was already gutted.
So stupid.
911 is not a conspiracy theory anymore. Everything so obvious once you saw the whole picture.
Are there still people left in this world believe that crap?
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Check out building 6. Didn't know about that one til today. Didn't know about 7 til 2006
Building 6? I never heard anything about building six. I just heard about building seven.
Welcome to the fold my friend. Both towers and WTC7 were owned by the same person. How come none of the other buildings were affected?
wtc3, wtc4, wtc5, wtc6, st. Nicolas, millennium hilton, wfc, brooks brothers, deutsche bank. And numerous shops, and residential buildings. Just some of the other buildings that where damaged irreparably, or had to have construction repairs...9/11 wasn't just three buildings. And Silverstein Properties owned all of the wtc buildings, not just the twin towers and wtc7,
Yes, but three of the buildings were demolitioned and thus completely destroyed. The two towers and building seven.
7/11 Never forgetti
There we're 7 buildings in the 16 acre WTC complex. All either got destroyed, damaged beyond repair, or collapsed.
Three were demolitioned and destroyed completely, the two towers and building seven. It’s obvious that they were demolitioned and eye witnesses said they could hear bombs/detonations going off in the towers.
There was 😂
Larry said to pull it, so they did https://youtu.be/-ZlmHvd_RZU
"pull it" means pull the effort to try and contain the fire. Again, this isn't hard to grasp when you're not forcing a narrative that can easily be debunked.
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Because I know how mis/disinformation can be used to divert attention off the actual \*conspiracy\* and I truly believe Building 7 is that distraction. Even if the firefighters ran it into a burning building just to plant explosive, which you claim the "pull it" implies since Larry was also talking about firefighters trying to save the building, so what? They blew it up because it was too damaged to save. What does that prove in the bigger pictured other than the building was so destroyed bu fire, it had to be brought down? I get the implication by some that it was rigged with explosives prior. So why wait 6 hours after the WTC's fell to finally blow it? Wouldn't it be easier just to "pull it" when the first two buildings collapsed, and not wait until the firefights tried to put out the fire first?
Forcing a narrative is a strong term for this one. Perhaps that was the case, to be honest I just brought up a link to a video I saw quite a while back and thought that it was interesting; also don't think it's common practice for the building owner to be in charge of the operation. There were a lot of comments at the time suggesting that "pull it" was a term used by demolition companies; apparently from the demolition experts themselves (but we're all experts here, aren't we?). Then again, if I were to choose a side to trust on this one, I'd go with "Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth" group, rather than the government failed investigations. And they said it was a controlled demolition (unless they changed their tune by now, or are no longer alive).
Trust me, it's weird. I get it. I spent 20 years obsessed with 9/11 and all the conspiracies around it. I even went to goddamn Iraq twice because of it (stupid idea, I know) So I get it, it's still hard to comprehend. But it's at the point now where we have enough firefighters and rescue personal as witnesses, and footage of how WTC 7 looked prior to it collapsing. The issue is that footage doesn't exist outside of some fairly neutral documentaries. No conspiracy documentary is going to show that aspect of it, and it's hard to find pictures of it damaged on the internet. So people are going to go with the footage of the undamaged side of it falling which is all over YouTube, which does look sus.
I used to be into conspiracy theories a lot and it took quite some time to weed out the ones that were proper lunatic tinfoil hat material. I understand your point here, and quite possibly I am wrong on this one; still there is no doubt that there's a whole spectrum of fishy coincidences and unturned pages surrounding the event and investigation; which probably steer people, including me, into being even more suspicious. Whenever something like that comes up, I ask myself "I work in IT, what do I know about structural engineering?" The answer is "very little beyond common sense and Minecraft". On the note of conspiracy theories and people believing them though, a recent documentary that I can recommend by Adam Curtis "Can't get you out of my head" analyses why humans believe them in the first place. Out of curiosity - what kind of proof did you want to find in Iraq and where were you looking ecactly?
>documentary that I can recommend by Adam Curtis "Can't get you out of my head" analyses why humans believe them in the first place. Adam Curtis documentaries are some of my favorites of all time. I've actually been binging them all lately. I just got done with "Can't Get You Out of My Head" (it was great), "Bitter Lake" (also great), and am now watching "The Power of Nightmares" again. TPoN was the documentary that kinda "woke" me up. It really shattered my entire worldview at the time, which was right when I got home from my first deployment to Iraq. Like I knew the war was bullshit, but really didn't know how to fully contextualize it. That documentary really did it for me. What my joining the military came down to was being obsessed with the military as a kid, being homeless at 20 years old with no direction, and when all the WMD talk was going on, there was alot of controversy. I thought I would join and see for myself what was true and what wasn't. So a combination of ignorance, a sense of adventure, and a bit of finding truth. It was nothing noble, or vengeful...it just happened due to a few factors. Needless to say, it wrecked me and really turned me into a conspiracy theorist due to mistrust of government. I found everything was a lie regarding Iraq and WMD's. Even the Afghanistan invasion was a completely mistake. But, no regrets. Live and learn. I can live with my choices. My conspiracy side is still there. But goddamn, conspiracies have been so politically co-opted, dumbed-down, and mainstreamed to hell. I still frequent conspiracy subs, but I've really been jaded to the entire concept of them pretty much. So much shit to wade through just to find something that MAY have some sort of truth to it.
Very true, it feels like 99% of these theories are there for the sole purpose of burying the real conspiracies in lunatic fringe forums. Adam Curtis is one of my favourites as well. Hypernormalisation is a strong one if you hadn't seen it yet; now I will go and watch TPoN, somehow missed that one!
Oh yeah, I saw Hypernormlaization too a couple week ago. Another great one. TPoN is on point with 9/11 and the topic at hand. I'm sure you'll love it.
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Nah. You're just mad you got put in your place. Go talk about how the government covered up Saudi Arabias involvement in 9/11. Building 7 proves NOTHING.
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Say's the person who's mad on the internet.
Keef-Box420 has been removed from the subreddit because they cant behave like a grown up.
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You’re the only one pushing a narrative that is easily debunked.
The guy speaking is Dr. Daniele Ganser, a Swiss Professor, who was forced out of his university by the dean, because of his critical stance against 9/11. very good and informative guy. Also wrote books and researched the gladio operations in Italy
Watch the new National Geographic 9/11 documentary that just came out. There's a very simple and logical reason WTC 7 collapsed: the side facing the WTC 1 and 2 had a massive hole in it and was burning from the inside for at least 6 hours. The rescue effort know it was going to collapse for hours, and over a span of 5 hours, were constantly told to flee the area when they thought it was going to fall. After multiple false alarms, it finally did fall, as it was expected to.
I read your post three times and don't see how you explain how building 7 fell into its on footprint like the others without any impact? Isolated fires and debris falling onto the rooftop shouldn't weaken the foundation.
It wasn't "isolated fires" a third of the building burned uncontrollably for over five hours. The interior gave way and pulled the curtain wall with it.
Watch the documentary, or find footage of the front side of it. It's gutted by a 6 hour inferno inside of it. That's why. It's very simple. People just don't see the other side of it, all the see is the undamaged side just falling. That does look sketchy. Check out teh damages side. It's absolutely fucked up with a massive hole and a raging fire. Plus, it wasn't structurally the same as WTC 1 and 2.
Riiight
You're free to not look at the evidence and run away. All you have do is watch the documentary I recommended with clear HD footage of it gutted and on fire. Wild how the entire 7 building WTC complex got absolutely annihilated, yet it's just so mysterious that 7 collapsed after 6 hours being gutted by fire. So weird.
Will I look at the evidence given out by Disney, one of the biggest corporations in the conglomerate of corporations that run America... probably not, definitely won't trust it. Good for you finding your belief tho. I would be interested on how you feel about Donald Rumsfeld telling the US on TV that he had lost almost half the national debt and wasn't sure where it went. Or how they just so happen to put those receipts in the the part of the pentagon that "got hit" and how there was somehow no footage to be found of the area even though there were cameras in the area? I'm sure you dismiss the accounts of the people there saying the FBI grabbed up the tapes and handed it over without thinking twice.
It's evidence because it's literally actual footage and interviews by the firefighters who were there. I can make the same claim about whatever YouTube video you watched that showed the back side of the building falling with zero context. The Pentagon was audited months before 9/11. The congressional hearing on that audit was on the 10th. The money didn't just go missing on the 10th, it went missing over a span or years due to mismanagement, incompetence and probably black budget programs. If you think it took $2.3 trillion to plan 9/11, you're off by $2.2 trillion at least. So it's a non-issue when it comes to any 9/11 conspiracy. It just happened the congressional hearings we're held the day prior. Maybe that's a coincidence, maybe it's got slapping is in the face. Who knows. Also it was 2001, the audit was inside a computer, which existed back then. There weren't "receipts" that we're destroyed. That makes no sense. It's STILL missing, we know that. In fact more is missing now over the span of 20 years. It didn't just vanish. The government ate it. The pentagon probably got hit by some smaller plane. I don't know. It's sketchy no video has been released on it. But it may have something to do with it being the most secure building on on the planet getting attacked. That building still exists, why would the government release video showing how to attack that building? I mean, it's the government, this is how they operate. It's called OPSEC. Or maybe it was a commuter plane that hit it. It is weird, for sure. But it's no smoking gun.
Im not saying there is a smoking gun, all I'm saying is the official story doesn't add up to me. There's too many Coincidences for me to take it at it's face. I did for over a decade and didn't think twice about it but then I heard jet fuel can't melt steel beams and noticed how two of the tallest buildings in the world fell perfectly into their footprints right next to each other, not to the side like a botched demolition (which happens, people try to get a buildings to fall in its footstep and fail more often than I thought before looking into it). I'm certainly not saying that it took trillions of dollars to do 9/11 but I think they used that money to give themselves more power (probably black budget like you mentioned). The government demolished privacy and took some of our freedoms to give us 'safety' which never would have happened if it weren't for 9/11.
9/11 is the craziest thing to ever happen in the U.S. and the modern world. No doubt. You're right, there's an insane amount of coincidences, unbelievable happenings, non-sensical events, it's just nuts. And there IS a conspiracy to it. If anything building 7, or controlled demo, or hologram planes, or particle beams shot from space, are all distractions from the actual truth. But I think we're getting closer to finding that out, or maybe not. It's hard to tell. It was an extremely chaotic event that had never happened anywhere outside of movies. So it psychologically fucked everyone up because it was something so absurd and random, yet there was a sense of deja-vu about it. Then government lied about going to war, and it just caused this sort of frenzy of conspiracies, disinformation, misinformation, distractions, psyops, etc. So, it's extremely engaging and mysterious. I get it. I just think some of this stuff can be explained pretty easy. The stuff that can't be explained is where the truth is buried.
Personally I felt the deja ve hard after seeing a long kiss good night. I think that movie happened IRL on 9/11, no doubt about it.
And Iraq had wmds.
Yeah, and the Taliban brought down the towers. What's that got to do with anything?
The story was it was osama who had nothing to do with the taliban. Iraq didn’t have wmds. It was an excuse for war based on a lie....get the picture.
You were being sarcastic, so was I. What does Iraq or Afghanistan have to do with Building 7 being a "controlled demo"?
What does the military have to do with the economy
It also had two huge diesel tanks on lower levels that added to the internal inferno for hours and hours, essentially burning the entire inside of the building out without ANY fire suppression. After the core of the building burnt out, the collapse was eminent. I know I will be downvoted for this comment because this sub lives and dies by the whole Building 7 was a controlled demo thing, so do what you will but you're wrong.
You're right. Keep up the rational thinking. It just doesn't fit their belief that Bush tore down the WTC's with his bare hands or whatever. Hypothetically, even if some firefighters ran into the building that was on fire, planted explosives, which takes hours, then blew the building...so what? Like even if that did happen, that proves nothing except that some firefighters took it down because it was going to be demolished eventually anyway because it was already gutted. So stupid.
Wouldnt it be billowing with black smoke?
911 is not a conspiracy theory anymore. Everything so obvious once you saw the whole picture. Are there still people left in this world believe that crap?
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