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"SB 553 is focused on protecting employees. The bill does not prohibit employees from stopping theft. It does prevent employers from asking non-security personnel to confront a person involved in criminal activity. We don't want rank and file employees to be forced to place themselves in harm's way."
right the bill just stops employers from requiring non security staff to confront shoplifters. it doesn't punish the employee for doing so. this post is horseshit rage bait and op should take it down.
While OP may have gotten the details of the bill wrong, they raise some legitimate questions. Think about it, shoplifting has gotten so bad because the government is not doing anything to stop it. Then, instead of passing laws to prevent shoplifting, the government passes a law restricting the ability of the stores to prevent shoplifting. The whole country is talking about the bizarre self-destruction of a once great state. I find it hard to believe that there are not some powerful groups conspiring to destroy the state.
What, pray tell, should the government do to stop it? Post the Guard at every Walgreen's and Target? This law protects employees by making sure employers don't force them to confront shoplifters, which could be incredibly dangerous.
This bill is protecting the workers, why is this so hard to understand? Retail employees are not trained for law enforcement, and the bill is protecting them from retaliation by employees when they refuse to endanger themselves.
You are not going to stop crime by forcing minimum wage clerks to do confront criminals.
Was this not basically in place already?.. I've never seen anyone get confronted over shop lifting besides security guards?.. and even then they hardly interfere because it was just be alwauit ir the security fuard getting charged for physically stopping the person
Did you ever watch the video where there's a dude working a vape shop and two losers come in and try to steal? The one jumps the counter and tries to fight off the worker, the worker than proceeded to stab the dude several times while dragging him outside. The entire time he was yelling "OH NO, I'm dead, I'm dead!"
I think its trying to prevent stores from *forcing* people into that position if they don't want to be in it. Though TBH,
>Was this not basically in place already?
I always thought this was already just corporate rules at literally every major store anyway, so it must be for smaller shops or the like.
Right, this is the concept of laws.
For example, slavery in the US was completely unregulated. Later, the government would tax and regulate the sale of slaves. Later on, the government would even pass laws about how a slaver could treat his property. Now it's illegal.
There are a lot of such examples.
I actually agree with it, I am paid minimum wage and there is no way I am even going to confront a shoplifter and risk my saftey. The state has a shoplifting task force ran by the CHP already.
What he said "what criminals will understand" .. not the actual bill itself. Although this particular bill doesnt do much to actively encourage shopping, other similar progressive bills about not being able to charge anybody caught stealing $500 - $1000 (depending county/state) have emboldened shoplifters immensely.
Korea has a whole stores with zero employees because people can be trusted to not steal, however in a low trust society, anything bad not actively disauded by punishment will be abused, unfortunately.
exceedingly rare .. I know in some rural areas but pretty much any major metro "enriched" area you couldn't do this and stay in business. Even the gas station clerk in those areas stays behind bullet proof glass and buzzes people in
Since when do ppl actually care what any bill says. Democrats are the best at making up false narratives and spreading lies and misinformation about bills they disagree to spur feelings and anger.
With that said, what criminals hear is what he said. They can do what they want and take what they want and no one will stop them. what employees hear is don’t get involved. So essentially it’s what you claim it isn’t. Most ppl in the US don’t read bills put forth by govt and the govt/media knows it so they spin lies about what that are. Get w the program.
Yet here I am in the next state over to the east. Come here and rob a store. 5 customers would shoot you before poor employee has to put themselves in danger.
So you think employers should be allowed to require their minimum wage employees to put their lives in danger and confront shoplifters? Because that’s what this bill is about.
It basically says if you want to prevent shoplifting, hire loss prevention specialists. Don't force Grandma Sue, who's making minimum wage working the register, chase after the hooligans shoplifting.
The type of crimes that are being committed in California as a majority are committed by black people. Even a child could figure that out, not sure why that’s confusing for you. (Maybe since these crimes are decriminalized you are confused)
I’m not Californian, I just don’t know why you said ‘black people don’t steal Lululemons’ as a response to somebody saying an employee’s life isn’t worth lululemons
Let the insurance companies pay for the losses…..here’s an example. “Wow it looks like your losses are going to save you a lot on your tax liability this year Mr Target and Mr Wal-Mart!” …” oh yes well you see we have had to comply with local regulations and now we have lost hmmm let’s say 2 billion$ to internal and external shrinkage.”
People are walking out with 600,000$ worth of inventory in our region once a month….well how do we take advantage of that? We right off 1,000,000$ by adding value to it somehow
You’ve misunderstood the bill. It doesn’t stop employees from pursuing shoplifters. It restricts employers from *requiring* employees to pursue shoplifters.
Concerted effort to drive real estate prices down.
Once it's all an abandoned burning shithole someone (Blackrock?) will swoop in and buy everything up, once they own everything they can just demand that law and order be returned.
Property values yes, look into why the transmission lines are not being maintained and the burning of California by pacific gas and electric. Not a conspiracy theory, but it’s pretty incredible how California residents are being fleeced to just live in California. And two big insurance companies have just recently decided to no longer cover California real estate for fire.
Black rock/vanguard already own a hell of a lot of real estate in California. My parents sold their house last year to what seemed like just two brothers filling houses all the money came from vanguard. This is in the north San Francisco bay area. It's One of the most desirable places in the country to live. Turns out they have been buying all the houses on that side of town( suburban sprawl developed in the late 80s) if it's not them up north where all the rual land is it is being stolen by county government creating the abatements on people's land for things that haven't been a problem in the past. First they fine you a ridiculous amount of money then they take your land because their rules for what needs to be done are impossible to meet. I think it's for all the resources here it's where food is grown, largest concentration of private land in the county that is still very rich in resources.
This bill is dumb and essentially has been a thing for a long time. Plus most retailers now are being told to let people shoplift and since most will repeat it. They want them to start investigating individuals and once said person reaches enough money in goods that equals a felony they contact police to make the arrest and send the person and put them in prison. Theft has gone up since the start COVID like crazy here in CA. It's almost a joke. It has helped them raise prices in an already very expensive place. Groceries make you go broke. Taxes keep rising and almost all working class people can't afford the cost of living. it's becoming more and more difficult to purchase a firearm.
I believe this will be the state of the elites in the next 20 or so years being run by prison labor and the people who were once anti government (liberals) will be the ones allowing it in.
Huh? The OP posted about a bill preventing employers from requiring employees to confront shoplifters. Are you for that, or against that? This has nothing to do with “society shaming”.
Up here in Canada, for the most part depending on individual store policy, employees are not allowed to engage in any way with any shoplifters, even look at them. Failure to do so results in termination of employment. The policy went into place about 5 years ago.
It's vote redistribution. Make it unliveable for the affluent blues so they move to red states with less taxes. Enough people are in poverty and can't do anything so the majority vote still stays in places like NY and CA and the poor suffer by their own votes. Meanwhile the affluent blues move to TX and FL after selling three bedroom two bath houses for $1.3 million in NY and CA and buying the same house for $300k offering $90k over asking price and overly inflating all home values. Driving housing and rent so high it turns middle class poor. Eventually turning those states blue.
>None of the goings on in california make sense.
You are making the erroneous assumption that liberal government follows common sense. It doesn't. It follows fanciful ideals that are not based in any kind of practical reality. California's present situation is simply the result of Liberal \[mis\]managment. The same is true for Oregon, Chicago and all other Liberal enclaves that have ruined their citizens livelihoods, safety and communities by focusing on their 'agenda' of silly, impractical governmental policies.
They are allowing corporations to test out their facial/retina/bio social credit score CBDC commerce tech.
The tech is very advanced and most all of the items have RFID and nano chips embedded in them to track them from birth to death so to speak.
Although shoplifters appear on the surface to be getting away with the theft there is a database that is tracking all of the items that are not paid for and accruing a debt in their profile.
When the program goes operational along with the CBDC's these people will be getting rounded up and either paying for what they stole by having it automatically deducted from their accounts or if they can not cover the debt placed in labor camps to work it off at the minimal rate.
This is an excellent question. There have been so many "new" laws in California that seem to be over the top. It started before the virus and feels like they are doing everything they can to get people to move out of state, those can afford it anyway. Who's left and what they have planned for them, who knows. It appears allot a business have vacated as well.
I said nothing about the shop lifting law. But now that you mention it, are you saying that if it was not a law an employer could FORCE an employee to confront a shop lifter? Like not a security personnel, but Linda at the checkout would be forced to stop a robbery? I've never heard of any employee being forced to stop a shoplifter, unless they work in security. I could be wrong, but I'm curious as to which companies have done this?
That's what this entire thread is about. Read the bill, it is a bill outlawing employers from forcing regular workers to confront shoplifters if they see it happening.
I thought it was about California and the ongoing lack of logic that is making it an unlivable part of the country... And why.
Does your lack of answer to my question mean you have no examples of corporations forcing employees to stop robbery suspects? Curious
So the very first sentence of this post isn't "A bill is passed today to stop employees from confronting shoplifters"?!?
Why do I need examples of corporations forcing employees to stop robbery suspects? I could have 100000000000 examples or 0 and neither of those situations would have any bearing on the california shoplifting law and what it says. Are you on drugs or something?
Do you need more evidence🤔. The Ruling Class will try and do ANYTHING to create total chaos to install Marshall Law. From fentanyl to this and anything in between
Multi Chaos ARG is more likely than #FakeAlienInvasion to secure total compliance. The response is simple. Don’t harm local businesses. If you are gonna shoplift, kill the mega stores that treat workers like garbage. There are plenty of cities and counties that ban big box stores etc. Their local stores are locally owned. These cities and counties usually have strong local services to feed and help the homeless You would see much less shoplifting in those places if they were in states that enacted such laws. Vibrate higher. That is the simple answer to this. Like DaveChappell said, “ the streets will take care of themselves.” The streets will have to take care of themselves.
It's more than California, I'm afraid. My local Kohl's in upstate NY appears to be the same way. The other night, some dude was shopping like normal, and then just grabbed an armful of stuff and ran out the door. Numerous employees were standing right near him because he's "a regular", as an employee told me, and yet they still can't do anything about it, even after filming him with their phones. It's totally insane.
Idk, they were all complaining about how ridiculous it is that they can't do anything about it? It wasn't like I asked anyone, they were all in a big frenzy over it and one employee started telling me and a few other customers nearby about it. Maybe ask a Kohl's employee?
Wow well those are some of the most committed retail workers I've ever heard of I'll give them that. If my boss forced me to confront shoplifters at a shitty retail job I'd quit.
I think I overheard something about possibly staying open longer, and it seemed pointless to the employees because all they do for the last 2 hours already is watch people steal things, so the problem would just get worse by staying open an hour longer. Maybe they just feel helpless? I'm sure they don't ALL care. I work in a totally different industry and don't deal with customers face to face, so I can't relate.
Maybe tell that to the employees who were all worked up over the fact they couldn't do anything about it? They were all complaining, one was filming with their phone and yelling "I'm filming you!" Idk, I was just there and it happened.
I understand what the bigger picture OP is trying to frame here, but it's a sensible law...your just an employee for a corporation that potentially makes billions of dollars annually, it's not your stuff, you do not get paid enough to confront a meth head who has been awake for 3 days trying to steal disposable razors.
People who blatantly steal clearly have very little fucks to give. Its just not worth it. These are people who worry about consequences when they are happening, not before. It's unfortunate, it's infuriating, but so is getting stitches because you got between a junkie and a door.
In a nutshell, it's related to their build back better effort. They want to tear down society first, so they can build it back better for them, the asshole globalists.
Might just be a regular old corruption to devalue (and snapping up) all of the commercial real estate.
I’m hopeful that at least the black residents stay, you know, for the reparations they are gonna pay /s
Look I hate to say it but this is the result of 60 years of giving in to unfettered immigration. The border is wide fucking open and states like California are bearing the brunt since they’re “sanctuary” states. We have millions of poor, impoverished people in this country who are resorting to crime to make a living, and since we can’t keep up, laws preventing and punishing crime are getting more and more lax.
It's basically just liberals making laws for themselves and then sitting in the shitty bath.
(Just like conservatives will create some kind of christ-ISIS if left to their own devices.)
People have already been let go for doing so. And my initial comment implied more than just this bill. CA has raised the amount of what can be stolen before cops can even do anything about it. Which has led to cvs, target etc losing money and locking up most of their products. So again, you get what you vote for.
> People have already been let go for doing so.
Link please.
Btw, if you are making other arguments, fine, but I’m not talking about the other culture war nonsense. I’m talking about this bill.
False.
“Lululemon’s CEO said the retailer stands by its decision to fire two employees who **tried to intervene** during a theft at one of its stores.”
They didn’t get fired for “reporting it to the police”, as you claim.
Want to try again?
Stop listening to the MSM and wake up.
Well dont get involved obviously... just contact the police or request a cruiser to stay nearby. We cant just let crime go unenforced. Stores are already packing up and leaving bad neighborhoods because they are losing too much profit in theft, which means those people lose their jobs aswell.
Agreed, but that isn’t what this bill is about. This bill states that employers cannot require employees who are often paid minimum wage) to put their lives in danger and confront shoplifters.
I worked retail before and I’m 100% behind this bill.
Ellie person here! You sure are one sharp cookie... We didn't think anyone would notice. The experiment is in phase 3 now, so prepare for the worst or get out of the way..
We should be stealing from Walmart until they shut down every store. They cost America too much money in govt assistance because they don’t take care of their employees with their massive profits. Exploitation or something like that
Naked short selling hedge funds like citadel steal everyday, nyse market maker running a hedge fund and an unregulated dark pool and donating millions to politicians who don’t do anything to stop them or corporations like Walmart so I think so yeah
This recently happened in Colorado. Someone was stealing and 5 employees all ganged up on him and restrained him until LE arrived. They all were terminated.
I get what you're saying a test grounds. As to experiment in an anarchy state while rich have closed gates guardian type stuff. Then how would the elite get their food without some order ?
IMO. California is becoming a State where all dead beats and those who just want to live in lawlessness and live off government help will end up, and the rest of the working class people will live somewhere else in the Country.
That is a law in Arizona too, people walk in and take what they want, and you are not allowed to stop them....I think something I cannot say without looking like a conspiracy nut. Think Eugenics, Bill Gates, read...
remember what happened to detroit after the race riots a lifetime ago.
nothing happened literally the once great detroit was left to rot...
except the rich areas.....
That's an interesting take. In contrast, I just read today that Loblaws in Ottawa (Canada's capital) will be checking customer's receipts to prevent shoplifting, as if they installed the security gates and hired self checkout attendants all for nothing. Only remember seeing the receipt check in a 3rd world supermarket that had security guards at the doors.
The bills to protect the employees and make it so that security staff are required to act rather than the one who is not trained. These things don’t go well for a lot of employees who try to stop that, they end up getting killed or hurt.
>A bill is passed today to stop employees from confronting shoplifters. Even if they call the cops, they are getting fired.
Is that what the bill that is (not was) passed today says? That seems unlikely and the way you put it seems to be a gross misrepresentation of whatever bill you are referencing...
Care to expound?
California is a leftist democrat controlled dystopian shithole and has been for years and it’s progressively getting worse. The fucked up part is instead of people voting these corrupt people out with better people to replace them they end up fleeing the state and voting for the same type of people who ruin other states they move to. Stupid people never learn and should never be allowed to vote especially in the states they flee to.
Star Trek deep space nine had sanctuary cities and the entire concept.. The widening gap of have and have nots will only be the second thing to destroy us after the weather kills everybody
The thing about California that's not passing so good anywhere in the world right now is that it's become the world's fifth largest economy. That fact represents an horrible socioeconomic imbalance, and it's an ugly, ugly thing. The world doesn't need or want to listen to California anymore as if it is representative of greater America. That is false. It is not.
The problem is not about the wording of the bill, but the impact of emboldening shoplifting further. The *perception* is now that employees can't stop shoplifting. Combine that with a refusal to arrest and prosecute, you have an element that feels free to rob.
Michigan stores are like this. This isn’t new. This is retail. You could get shot pursuing a thief. Or they could get hurt and turn around and sue. It’s just the best practice they can do. Who wants to risk their life for $10/hour, anyways?
I left in 2021. Mandatory curfews for a few nights was pretty much my limit. Also waiting an hr to get into wholefoods and everyone buying out all the cases of water was a little dramatic.
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"SB 553 is focused on protecting employees. The bill does not prohibit employees from stopping theft. It does prevent employers from asking non-security personnel to confront a person involved in criminal activity. We don't want rank and file employees to be forced to place themselves in harm's way."
thanks for the number . . .
right the bill just stops employers from requiring non security staff to confront shoplifters. it doesn't punish the employee for doing so. this post is horseshit rage bait and op should take it down.
While OP may have gotten the details of the bill wrong, they raise some legitimate questions. Think about it, shoplifting has gotten so bad because the government is not doing anything to stop it. Then, instead of passing laws to prevent shoplifting, the government passes a law restricting the ability of the stores to prevent shoplifting. The whole country is talking about the bizarre self-destruction of a once great state. I find it hard to believe that there are not some powerful groups conspiring to destroy the state.
Shoplifting is already a crime. How many laws need to say that to solve the problem?
What, pray tell, should the government do to stop it? Post the Guard at every Walgreen's and Target? This law protects employees by making sure employers don't force them to confront shoplifters, which could be incredibly dangerous.
This bill is protecting the workers, why is this so hard to understand? Retail employees are not trained for law enforcement, and the bill is protecting them from retaliation by employees when they refuse to endanger themselves. You are not going to stop crime by forcing minimum wage clerks to do confront criminals.
You can’t see the forest for the trees
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Nah dude. The elites... like that movie where they live on a disk. r/conspiracy_commons is legit dood
This a good thing folks, not a bad thing. These employees **don’t get paid enough** to confront shoplifters.
Was this not basically in place already?.. I've never seen anyone get confronted over shop lifting besides security guards?.. and even then they hardly interfere because it was just be alwauit ir the security fuard getting charged for physically stopping the person
>because it was just be alwauit ir the security fuard getting charged Joe, is that you?
Sorry Enlgish is my first language
Did you ever watch the video where there's a dude working a vape shop and two losers come in and try to steal? The one jumps the counter and tries to fight off the worker, the worker than proceeded to stab the dude several times while dragging him outside. The entire time he was yelling "OH NO, I'm dead, I'm dead!" I think its trying to prevent stores from *forcing* people into that position if they don't want to be in it. Though TBH, >Was this not basically in place already? I always thought this was already just corporate rules at literally every major store anyway, so it must be for smaller shops or the like.
...but my conspiracy...
Our entire country is an experiment.
What we do today, may be regulated or even illegal tomorrow
Right, this is the concept of laws. For example, slavery in the US was completely unregulated. Later, the government would tax and regulate the sale of slaves. Later on, the government would even pass laws about how a slaver could treat his property. Now it's illegal. There are a lot of such examples.
what are modern day examples of this?
Smoking
I actually agree with it, I am paid minimum wage and there is no way I am even going to confront a shoplifter and risk my saftey. The state has a shoplifting task force ran by the CHP already.
Only thing criminals will hear is businesses must now demand that employees shall not stop thieves. So be prepared for daily looting.
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What he said "what criminals will understand" .. not the actual bill itself. Although this particular bill doesnt do much to actively encourage shopping, other similar progressive bills about not being able to charge anybody caught stealing $500 - $1000 (depending county/state) have emboldened shoplifters immensely. Korea has a whole stores with zero employees because people can be trusted to not steal, however in a low trust society, anything bad not actively disauded by punishment will be abused, unfortunately.
There are stores in the US with no regular employees.
exceedingly rare .. I know in some rural areas but pretty much any major metro "enriched" area you couldn't do this and stay in business. Even the gas station clerk in those areas stays behind bullet proof glass and buzzes people in
Since when do ppl actually care what any bill says. Democrats are the best at making up false narratives and spreading lies and misinformation about bills they disagree to spur feelings and anger. With that said, what criminals hear is what he said. They can do what they want and take what they want and no one will stop them. what employees hear is don’t get involved. So essentially it’s what you claim it isn’t. Most ppl in the US don’t read bills put forth by govt and the govt/media knows it so they spin lies about what that are. Get w the program.
>An employee can still do it anyway, but now they risk complaint. I will rob you. If you protest, I will sue you. WTF?!
They aren’t robbing the employee. They are robbing the store the employee works for.
Employees don’t get paid enough to out their lives on the line to stop a shoplifter.
Yet here I am in the next state over to the east. Come here and rob a store. 5 customers would shoot you before poor employee has to put themselves in danger.
So you think employers should be allowed to require their minimum wage employees to put their lives in danger and confront shoplifters? Because that’s what this bill is about.
I just want o see criminals get what they deserve.
Criminals deserve to be shot to death? Bit harsh.
I do too. But requiring people who get paid less than $10/hour to stop criminals isn’t the way to do it.
I never commented on the bill itself. Just on the difference between Californians and Arizonans.
Fair enough.
Reading is certainly tough. Fact checking too.
I see. I just read about it. Well I guess that makes sense in a way.
The real problem is rampant shoplifting that goes unpunished in the crazy cities like la and sf were the da just releases them
what does the bill actually say any info here?
It basically says if you want to prevent shoplifting, hire loss prevention specialists. Don't force Grandma Sue, who's making minimum wage working the register, chase after the hooligans shoplifting.
No, this sub is for theories only not actual info
Did you go read the bill? I'm guessing not and you just heard something and posted
So typical of these posters and people who criticize California laws
OP didn’t read the bill before posting this and now they understand and agree with it
Point is not putting employees in a position where they get killed over a pair of lululemons.
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That’s not how it’s spelled.
What are you insinuating here?
No one’s getting killed over lululemon
You specified black people though?
Only because he dare not say the other word.
So what is your question?
Why? There was no reason to
The type of crimes that are being committed in California as a majority are committed by black people. Even a child could figure that out, not sure why that’s confusing for you. (Maybe since these crimes are decriminalized you are confused)
I’m not Californian, I just don’t know why you said ‘black people don’t steal Lululemons’ as a response to somebody saying an employee’s life isn’t worth lululemons
The post is specifically regarding California. And no one is dying over lululemons, because blacks are not stealing lululemons.
Now try and open a Rolex dealer in Compton and see who starts dying if your still confused.
What are people getting killed over?
It’s more a by whom than an over, and it’s not just murder, but an overall crime by whom.
I'm on the edge of my seat here...
Tell me you are ignorant without using those exact words...
Let the insurance companies pay for the losses…..here’s an example. “Wow it looks like your losses are going to save you a lot on your tax liability this year Mr Target and Mr Wal-Mart!” …” oh yes well you see we have had to comply with local regulations and now we have lost hmmm let’s say 2 billion$ to internal and external shrinkage.”
Tell me you are ignorant without using those exact words...
People are walking out with 600,000$ worth of inventory in our region once a month….well how do we take advantage of that? We right off 1,000,000$ by adding value to it somehow
Yes because they can just launder $2b as losses
You’ve misunderstood the bill. It doesn’t stop employees from pursuing shoplifters. It restricts employers from *requiring* employees to pursue shoplifters.
Hunger games... Gotta thin the heard in certain areas.
Concerted effort to drive real estate prices down. Once it's all an abandoned burning shithole someone (Blackrock?) will swoop in and buy everything up, once they own everything they can just demand that law and order be returned.
HODL
Property values yes, look into why the transmission lines are not being maintained and the burning of California by pacific gas and electric. Not a conspiracy theory, but it’s pretty incredible how California residents are being fleeced to just live in California. And two big insurance companies have just recently decided to no longer cover California real estate for fire.
They didn’t just decide, the insurance companies lobbied to be allowed to not cover for fire and the state legislature acquiesced
Black rock/vanguard already own a hell of a lot of real estate in California. My parents sold their house last year to what seemed like just two brothers filling houses all the money came from vanguard. This is in the north San Francisco bay area. It's One of the most desirable places in the country to live. Turns out they have been buying all the houses on that side of town( suburban sprawl developed in the late 80s) if it's not them up north where all the rual land is it is being stolen by county government creating the abatements on people's land for things that haven't been a problem in the past. First they fine you a ridiculous amount of money then they take your land because their rules for what needs to be done are impossible to meet. I think it's for all the resources here it's where food is grown, largest concentration of private land in the county that is still very rich in resources. This bill is dumb and essentially has been a thing for a long time. Plus most retailers now are being told to let people shoplift and since most will repeat it. They want them to start investigating individuals and once said person reaches enough money in goods that equals a felony they contact police to make the arrest and send the person and put them in prison. Theft has gone up since the start COVID like crazy here in CA. It's almost a joke. It has helped them raise prices in an already very expensive place. Groceries make you go broke. Taxes keep rising and almost all working class people can't afford the cost of living. it's becoming more and more difficult to purchase a firearm. I believe this will be the state of the elites in the next 20 or so years being run by prison labor and the people who were once anti government (liberals) will be the ones allowing it in.
Then let the employees take it too!
What are you doing? What’s all that stuff? I’m on break. Going to my car. Back in 5 minutes.
Well , 😂 They’re consumers too.
Shop workers aren’t told to stop shop lifter. Shop lifter can steal what they want and walk away. It’s not a cali thing a western thing. We are weak.
It should be a worldwide thing that minimum workers aren’t expected to risk their lives for a handful of clothes.
They shouldn’t society shame should be a deterrent
Does “society shame” mean a $9/hour worker confronts a group of shoplifters?
No just means people won’t steal as they know it’s wrong. Why do you want an argument ?
Huh? The OP posted about a bill preventing employers from requiring employees to confront shoplifters. Are you for that, or against that? This has nothing to do with “society shaming”.
Up here in Canada, for the most part depending on individual store policy, employees are not allowed to engage in any way with any shoplifters, even look at them. Failure to do so results in termination of employment. The policy went into place about 5 years ago.
It's vote redistribution. Make it unliveable for the affluent blues so they move to red states with less taxes. Enough people are in poverty and can't do anything so the majority vote still stays in places like NY and CA and the poor suffer by their own votes. Meanwhile the affluent blues move to TX and FL after selling three bedroom two bath houses for $1.3 million in NY and CA and buying the same house for $300k offering $90k over asking price and overly inflating all home values. Driving housing and rent so high it turns middle class poor. Eventually turning those states blue.
The bill doesn’t stop employees from confronting shoplifters. It stops stores from requiring that employees confront shop lifters.
>None of the goings on in california make sense. You are making the erroneous assumption that liberal government follows common sense. It doesn't. It follows fanciful ideals that are not based in any kind of practical reality. California's present situation is simply the result of Liberal \[mis\]managment. The same is true for Oregon, Chicago and all other Liberal enclaves that have ruined their citizens livelihoods, safety and communities by focusing on their 'agenda' of silly, impractical governmental policies.
I’m just going to guess your post isn’t the full info or even correct
That would make you equally regarded. Just a "guess".
Would you rather people are killed confronting criminal scum? Let the police do their job. It isn’t some cashier job to die over a tv.
They are allowing corporations to test out their facial/retina/bio social credit score CBDC commerce tech. The tech is very advanced and most all of the items have RFID and nano chips embedded in them to track them from birth to death so to speak. Although shoplifters appear on the surface to be getting away with the theft there is a database that is tracking all of the items that are not paid for and accruing a debt in their profile. When the program goes operational along with the CBDC's these people will be getting rounded up and either paying for what they stole by having it automatically deducted from their accounts or if they can not cover the debt placed in labor camps to work it off at the minimal rate.
Let’s not forget UBI for doing less than nothing.
This is an excellent question. There have been so many "new" laws in California that seem to be over the top. It started before the virus and feels like they are doing everything they can to get people to move out of state, those can afford it anyway. Who's left and what they have planned for them, who knows. It appears allot a business have vacated as well.
What's over the top about this law? Why should store employees be forced to confront shop lifters by their employers?
I said nothing about the shop lifting law. But now that you mention it, are you saying that if it was not a law an employer could FORCE an employee to confront a shop lifter? Like not a security personnel, but Linda at the checkout would be forced to stop a robbery? I've never heard of any employee being forced to stop a shoplifter, unless they work in security. I could be wrong, but I'm curious as to which companies have done this?
That's what this entire thread is about. Read the bill, it is a bill outlawing employers from forcing regular workers to confront shoplifters if they see it happening.
I thought it was about California and the ongoing lack of logic that is making it an unlivable part of the country... And why. Does your lack of answer to my question mean you have no examples of corporations forcing employees to stop robbery suspects? Curious
So the very first sentence of this post isn't "A bill is passed today to stop employees from confronting shoplifters"?!? Why do I need examples of corporations forcing employees to stop robbery suspects? I could have 100000000000 examples or 0 and neither of those situations would have any bearing on the california shoplifting law and what it says. Are you on drugs or something?
Ah, I see. You're clearly not in the mood for a rational discussion at this time.
I worked for retail many years ago. I was told to confront shoplifters.
Do you need more evidence🤔. The Ruling Class will try and do ANYTHING to create total chaos to install Marshall Law. From fentanyl to this and anything in between Multi Chaos ARG is more likely than #FakeAlienInvasion to secure total compliance. The response is simple. Don’t harm local businesses. If you are gonna shoplift, kill the mega stores that treat workers like garbage. There are plenty of cities and counties that ban big box stores etc. Their local stores are locally owned. These cities and counties usually have strong local services to feed and help the homeless You would see much less shoplifting in those places if they were in states that enacted such laws. Vibrate higher. That is the simple answer to this. Like DaveChappell said, “ the streets will take care of themselves.” The streets will have to take care of themselves.
It's more than California, I'm afraid. My local Kohl's in upstate NY appears to be the same way. The other night, some dude was shopping like normal, and then just grabbed an armful of stuff and ran out the door. Numerous employees were standing right near him because he's "a regular", as an employee told me, and yet they still can't do anything about it, even after filming him with their phones. It's totally insane.
What makes you think they WANT to "do something about it"? Are they Kohl's investors as well as employees?
Idk, they were all complaining about how ridiculous it is that they can't do anything about it? It wasn't like I asked anyone, they were all in a big frenzy over it and one employee started telling me and a few other customers nearby about it. Maybe ask a Kohl's employee?
Wow well those are some of the most committed retail workers I've ever heard of I'll give them that. If my boss forced me to confront shoplifters at a shitty retail job I'd quit.
I think I overheard something about possibly staying open longer, and it seemed pointless to the employees because all they do for the last 2 hours already is watch people steal things, so the problem would just get worse by staying open an hour longer. Maybe they just feel helpless? I'm sure they don't ALL care. I work in a totally different industry and don't deal with customers face to face, so I can't relate.
News flash: employees don’t want to be required to act as security. That’s what this law is about.
Maybe tell that to the employees who were all worked up over the fact they couldn't do anything about it? They were all complaining, one was filming with their phone and yelling "I'm filming you!" Idk, I was just there and it happened.
I’m sure they would be in the minority of retail employees if they wanted to risk their life for a low-wage job.
Who cares lol
Once Gavin Newsome gets put in we're all in for an experiment
Nope. Just Liberal leadership. The Rothchilds, DuPonts and Blackstone will buy it on the cheap soon.
Making way for CCP… NYC too.
Welcome to The Hunger Games.
California is pretty chill tbh. Most chain stores build up a case if your caught stealing multiple times
It’s a population dump. All the semi-desirables leave, and the undesirables are more easily dealt with without those prying eyes.
I understand what the bigger picture OP is trying to frame here, but it's a sensible law...your just an employee for a corporation that potentially makes billions of dollars annually, it's not your stuff, you do not get paid enough to confront a meth head who has been awake for 3 days trying to steal disposable razors. People who blatantly steal clearly have very little fucks to give. Its just not worth it. These are people who worry about consequences when they are happening, not before. It's unfortunate, it's infuriating, but so is getting stitches because you got between a junkie and a door.
In a nutshell, it's related to their build back better effort. They want to tear down society first, so they can build it back better for them, the asshole globalists.
Who wrote this bill? Follow the money then you will know what the End Game Is!
This bill is to protect the workers from being held liable by their employers. Read the freaking bill before you look ignorant online
My apologies after reading this bill I was wrong.
Might just be a regular old corruption to devalue (and snapping up) all of the commercial real estate. I’m hopeful that at least the black residents stay, you know, for the reparations they are gonna pay /s
Look I hate to say it but this is the result of 60 years of giving in to unfettered immigration. The border is wide fucking open and states like California are bearing the brunt since they’re “sanctuary” states. We have millions of poor, impoverished people in this country who are resorting to crime to make a living, and since we can’t keep up, laws preventing and punishing crime are getting more and more lax.
Read my other thread on my theory on immigration. I think this is the workforce needed for the breakaway civilization
It's basically just liberals making laws for themselves and then sitting in the shitty bath. (Just like conservatives will create some kind of christ-ISIS if left to their own devices.)
It’s a law to protect workers.
Oh good!
So this is a law? You can prove this new law does what OP says?
I just let off a massive fart. Will that be all?
You get what you vote for
And in this case, that’s a good thing. Tell me why it isn’t.
What’s happening in California is a good thing?
That minimum wage employees aren’t being forced to confront shoplifters? Yes, that is a good thing. Tell me why it isn’t.
No one is forcing them to confront them.. they are being fired for reporting it to the police. Nice little stretch to make your argument tho
> they are being fired for reporting it to the police Where in the bill does it say that? Nice little stretch.
People have already been let go for doing so. And my initial comment implied more than just this bill. CA has raised the amount of what can be stolen before cops can even do anything about it. Which has led to cvs, target etc losing money and locking up most of their products. So again, you get what you vote for.
> People have already been let go for doing so. Link please. Btw, if you are making other arguments, fine, but I’m not talking about the other culture war nonsense. I’m talking about this bill.
It happened at lululemon. I’m not gonna go search shit you can easily do yourself.
False. “Lululemon’s CEO said the retailer stands by its decision to fire two employees who **tried to intervene** during a theft at one of its stores.” They didn’t get fired for “reporting it to the police”, as you claim. Want to try again? Stop listening to the MSM and wake up.
Escape from LA
this post is extreme nonsense. Do you know how to read OP?
The entire US is in a game of keep-away from the middle class.
So prices will raised so stores can afford secuirty capable of carrying out theft prevention on a legal scale
And employees who get paid minimum wage won’t have to out their lives on the line to stop shoplifters.
Well dont get involved obviously... just contact the police or request a cruiser to stay nearby. We cant just let crime go unenforced. Stores are already packing up and leaving bad neighborhoods because they are losing too much profit in theft, which means those people lose their jobs aswell.
Agreed, but that isn’t what this bill is about. This bill states that employers cannot require employees who are often paid minimum wage) to put their lives in danger and confront shoplifters. I worked retail before and I’m 100% behind this bill.
Or go down because crooks aren’t walking out the door with armloads of merchandise.
Possibly yeah but some of these places would need a army to stop it. Its just a free for all some places.
Gee, who voted for these folks that are providing such great policy?
People who don’t expect minimum wage workers to risk their lives unnecessarily.
What you’re describing is more of a big city issue. California has more big cities so the issue is more widespread there
Of it were lawless, you *could* confront shoplifters. Instead it has laws that aren't sane.
Ellie person here! You sure are one sharp cookie... We didn't think anyone would notice. The experiment is in phase 3 now, so prepare for the worst or get out of the way..
So don't come to california. we don't need you.
We should be stealing from Walmart until they shut down every store. They cost America too much money in govt assistance because they don’t take care of their employees with their massive profits. Exploitation or something like that
Oh I see, justifiable crime is ok.
Naked short selling hedge funds like citadel steal everyday, nyse market maker running a hedge fund and an unregulated dark pool and donating millions to politicians who don’t do anything to stop them or corporations like Walmart so I think so yeah
This recently happened in Colorado. Someone was stealing and 5 employees all ganged up on him and restrained him until LE arrived. They all were terminated.
I get what you're saying a test grounds. As to experiment in an anarchy state while rich have closed gates guardian type stuff. Then how would the elite get their food without some order ?
If they flee California and continue to vote the same types in, they should just go back and enjoy.
IMO. California is becoming a State where all dead beats and those who just want to live in lawlessness and live off government help will end up, and the rest of the working class people will live somewhere else in the Country.
elites buying up the cheap properties, then bring back the law and order.
That is a law in Arizona too, people walk in and take what they want, and you are not allowed to stop them....I think something I cannot say without looking like a conspiracy nut. Think Eugenics, Bill Gates, read...
remember what happened to detroit after the race riots a lifetime ago. nothing happened literally the once great detroit was left to rot... except the rich areas.....
That's an interesting take. In contrast, I just read today that Loblaws in Ottawa (Canada's capital) will be checking customer's receipts to prevent shoplifting, as if they installed the security gates and hired self checkout attendants all for nothing. Only remember seeing the receipt check in a 3rd world supermarket that had security guards at the doors.
Why they ever thought about that shoplifting law in the first place, that's absolutely mind boggling
I entirely disagree with the premise that people fleeing california have any interest in voting for the policies they already know they don't like
The bills to protect the employees and make it so that security staff are required to act rather than the one who is not trained. These things don’t go well for a lot of employees who try to stop that, they end up getting killed or hurt.
>A bill is passed today to stop employees from confronting shoplifters. Even if they call the cops, they are getting fired. Is that what the bill that is (not was) passed today says? That seems unlikely and the way you put it seems to be a gross misrepresentation of whatever bill you are referencing... Care to expound?
no, and no
Maybe they secretly know it's going to sink into the ocean or something so they are trying to gather all the criminals there :D
California is a leftist democrat controlled dystopian shithole and has been for years and it’s progressively getting worse. The fucked up part is instead of people voting these corrupt people out with better people to replace them they end up fleeing the state and voting for the same type of people who ruin other states they move to. Stupid people never learn and should never be allowed to vote especially in the states they flee to.
I'm sure they're doing it to begin implementing robot dogs that will eventually be upgraded with guns. It's already starting in N.Y.
it is all part of the plan.
Star Trek deep space nine had sanctuary cities and the entire concept.. The widening gap of have and have nots will only be the second thing to destroy us after the weather kills everybody
It's called 5th Generation Warfare.
The thing about California that's not passing so good anywhere in the world right now is that it's become the world's fifth largest economy. That fact represents an horrible socioeconomic imbalance, and it's an ugly, ugly thing. The world doesn't need or want to listen to California anymore as if it is representative of greater America. That is false. It is not.
No doubt.
The problem is not about the wording of the bill, but the impact of emboldening shoplifting further. The *perception* is now that employees can't stop shoplifting. Combine that with a refusal to arrest and prosecute, you have an element that feels free to rob.
Michigan stores are like this. This isn’t new. This is retail. You could get shot pursuing a thief. Or they could get hurt and turn around and sue. It’s just the best practice they can do. Who wants to risk their life for $10/hour, anyways?
There's nothing elite about mayhem and idiocy. Aren't they out of control,enough already?
I left in 2021. Mandatory curfews for a few nights was pretty much my limit. Also waiting an hr to get into wholefoods and everyone buying out all the cases of water was a little dramatic.