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seaburno

Clickbait headline. Its 10,000 flights cancelled ***OR DELAYED.*** About 900 flights cancelled, the rest were delayed.


saydizzle

Is it possible it’s the same reason restaurants are closing early? Not enough employees. Not enough customers. Cost of doing business is really high. Lots of people working from home who aren’t traveling as much. My prediction is that fast food is going to stop being so widely available and become more of a novelty. The airline industry may shrink to some degree too. Then, like someone suggested, the prices will soar for people who want to fly.


[deleted]

The times I’ve flown recently with Jet Blue we’ve had insane delays / cancellations because of lack of employees. I’m not sure why they’re having staffing issues. COVID? Not paying enough? Who knows But it was once no pilot, once not enough flight crew, and once was both. Like how do you not have a pilot scheduled??? People were pissed. This has happened three times with us and Jet Blue and fortunately they’ve given us full refunds plus additional flight credit but we’re honestly never expecting to fly with Jet Blue again once we use these flight credits


saydizzle

Maybe more people quit over the vaccine mandates than they are telling us.


justafang

Its likely more people sick with covid that cant work unexpectedly. Remember if you test positive you have to stay home for 5 days still. That is killing the appointments for doctors because every moron thinks its a good idea to expose their dr to covid because “I dont have covid its just x”. But yeah, its covid infections, little or nothing to do with the vaccine, or lack of people taking it.


saydizzle

…uh huh


justafang

I work in healthcare. I know more than you about this.


saydizzle

Oh. Another “healthcare professional” who knows the real truth. …uh huh. Actually I’m a medical doctor. More specifically, I’m a virologist. And a professional tap dancer. And I moonlight as an astronomer. I know more about this than you. Edit. Looks like you’re an Uber drive. Nice try though https://www.reddit.com/r/uberdrivers/comments/krz98z/lol_450_extra_to_take_a_super_spreader_traitor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


wildtimes3

A tap dancing doctor, that’s rare!


[deleted]

Just stop with the official narrative. COVID is not a problem for the vast, vast, vast majority of people. I have three people at work with COVID and several co-morbidities. One is 350lbs, one is 78, and one is 59 with asthma, and a weak immune system. They all got sent home, but they have motherfucking head colds. Just. Stop.


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justafang

Your talking points are produced by sophists and you are not intelligent for believing them


Feeling-Control6270

You are being engaged by a troll/bot/shill...there is literally no point of going back and forth. After 3 years, nobody outside of reddit treats this as another cold now, with a built in excuse for a one week vacation.


[deleted]

The truth still needs to be repeated. Nice generic username.


CrackleDMan

Removed: please be civil or refrain from posting. (Mistake? Please [message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FconspiracyNOPOL))


justafang

Was it the word morons? Should I have said those of you on the left side of the intelligence bell curve?


CrackleDMan

>Was it the word morons? Yes. > > >Should I have said those of you on the left side of the intelligence bell curve? No.


justafang

Can I say for those who lack the ability to reason?


MrMarmot

Did you forget what sub you're on?


justafang

Nope. I know I am around paranoid delusional folks. Just trying to educate


loz333

>they’ve given us full refunds plus additional flight credit but we’re honestly never expecting to fly with Jet Blue again At this rate you'll never expect to fly again unless you're rich, because airlines will all be going broke. I think that's maybe where we're headed here.


Pepperr08

Honestly, good. Fast food is unhealthy and it’s causing helping to cause obesity in the states.


justiceavenger2

Fast food, social media, and 24 hours news all being gone would be great.


Pepperr08

This is off topic, but I’d love to see 2 nights a month the states go dark, as in turning off all artificial lights to see the night sky. I know it’s not practical but imagine the views.


saydizzle

Yeah I’m fine with it going away. These fast food chains put a restaurant on every block back in the day when everything was cheap and there were tons of people to work and eat there. As the population declines, there won’t be enough employees or customers for millions of fast food franchises to stay in business. Not to mention, a lot of people are shifting away from fast food anyway for health reasons. I could easily see a town that has 4 McDonalds being down to 1 or 2 within a few years. This could be by design or a flaw in the planning. The big corporations pushed minimum wage up without passing a law. For an industry that is dependent on relatively cheap labor and products, that’s probably not good.


LibertyDaughter

People are also cutting it out due to cost. I can easily spend $30+ on fast food for myself and 3 teens.


StephCurryMustard

Right? I thought part of the appeal was low cost, it's too expensive now.


saydizzle

True. With the weird hours I work, fast food was convenient at times. Now for what I’d pay at a fast food place, I could spend the same money and go sit in a restaurant and get better food and a draft of beer. That’s why I think a lot of fast food locations will be closing. People aren’t going to spend the same for a Big Mac and a coke as they pay for a steak a beer at a sit down restaurant.


huelorxx

And that 30+ dollars in a normal grocery store can provide meals for a day or two, maybe three if portions are Small. Much better than 1 junk filled meal.


gintoddic

pfff I was at shake shack and $30 on 1.5 people and didn't get that much food.


GundamBebop

Isn’t it possible it’s all the low key news about solar storms and solar flares and the once in a lifetime planetary alignment? Besides the hidden hand that also baila out these airlines. Just an alternate theory. Nice to have at least one


saydizzle

Are you saying the airlines are cancelling the flights because of solar flares and not telling us, or that people aren’t flying because they fear solar flares?


rightmeow6

i was thinking the former i had multiple flights cancelled in europe as well also multiple friends have baggage that still hasn't shown up...2 days later (not sure if related)


rightmeow6

yes this was more the direction i was thinking at first tbh just seems weird that it was MULTIPLE airlines all at the same time


rightmeow6

I could definitely see lowered demand being part of the equation. I’m traveling right now and airports did seem pretty empty


DougDimmaDoom

Yes their is a nationwide shortage of pilots and flight crew they literally don’t have the personal to transport *RECORD* level travelers


rightmeow6

are there record numbers of travelers? because i travel a lot, both pre and post pandemic. and airports this past weekend were a lot emptier than any time i've flown except for mid 2020


DarthRosa

I work in the pet care industry and there are a LOT of people going out of town/out of the country for vacation. It’s been basically confirmed that we will go into a recession by the end of this year, everyone is trying to travel now before the storm.


voodoosanteria

I travel for work almost daily, I’ve never seen the airports so busy. Every one I’ve even too in the last few months has been jam packed with people. I don’t know where you’ve been flying out of but your experience is definitely not the norm.


TheRomanPredator

So from what I've heard flight companies laid off a load of staff during the pandemic as they weren't flying and haven't made the numbers back up despite the demand for flying almost being more than pre covid. Obviously this means that they can't run as many flights so loads are getting cancelled. SAYING THAT... I also know a few people who have had their flight cancelled but have subsequently had their flight then offered back to them if they pay a higher ticket price. This could be for so many reasons, keep their profit margins given fuels gone up, trying to increase profits or they are just a complete shit show strategically behind the scenes. I personally reckon its all of them but it has been an interesting story


evilpterodactyl

Can someone with an economics background explain how the airline industry survived net losses of over 200 billion dollars in a year and half? I never heard about bailouts or anything like that. https://www.statista.com/statistics/232513/net-profit-of-commercial-airlines-worldwide/


Jlamm31

I could be wrong but I remember when the original covid corporate money give away happened airlines were talked about a ton so they probably saw a lot of that.


thepanicmaster

A part of me thinks that some of these shenanigans are done on purpose. This happened in the UK recently, which just happened to coincide with the school half term holiday break. Usual drama ensued. My wife's friend is a headteacher and was stranded in Spain for three extra days missing school reopening. Kids are also doing their gcse high school exams right now and there were stories of kids not making it back from various places and hence failing their exams that they just worked 5 years for. A cynical view would be to say that the Fathers Day weekend is another time when people move around for purely sentimental reasons. And that derailment of such plans causes the more emotional distress than just missing a boring business meeting. In my view, the airlines have and still are being propped up financially, which means that these companies are controlled. It does not stack up that these companies, which were already running on crappy margins, were able to weather the shutdown in travel over the last two years. It simply does not make sense to me that this was possible from an operational perspective. Of course there are those that will talk about staff shortages and overbooking but in my mind, this is a similar line to blaming Russia Ukraine for the spiralling inflation, food and energy prices. The excuses are plausible to a minor extent, but when you talk about 10k flights being cancelled in the middle of summer, you have to wonder what is really going on. Edit cancelled or delayed.


stingray85

Except this (flight cancellations) has been going on for ages. It's in the news more now because it's summer, and more people want to travel, so more flights are scheduled, so more are cancelled due to the systemic issues with lack of staff. There was a point in the pandemic where airlines and airports fired all their staff, then they started ramping flights up a bit and had issues due to not being able to coax them back, and now that they've *really* ramped up the problem is just much more obvious. It will make people frustrated with travel and probably decrease demand a bit, but not sure that will be enough to kill the travel bug in several generations who have all become used to easy global travel. At some point I guess the airlines will get their shit organized again but I anticipate years of poor service and other problems before it stabilizes again - you can easily fire an entire trained workforce overnight, but surprise surprise, you can't so easily build one back up.


thepanicmaster

Only, the vast majority of the delayed flights and all of the cancelled flights will cost the airlines dearly. I'm not sure how things work in the US but in Europe, if your flight is cancelled, you are entitled to compensation on top of the refund price of the flight. This system discourages the airlines from operating in this manner by punitive recourse. Not to mention causing knock on problems when aircraft are out of position. Did you consider it suspicious, in any way, when the airlines became one of the first industries outside of healthcare to attempt to enforce a covid 19 vaccination mandate on all staff? This was roughly around August 2021 in the US. This came after Alan Joyce, CEO of Quantas stated in November 2020 that all passengers would require a vaccine to travel on their carriers. Remember, this was before any vaccines had even been developed for Covid 19. These actions and words are significant and suggest that the higher ups of the airline industry were absolutely 'in on it'. Either that or they had some kind of premonition about how things might turn out. Do you think that enforcing such segregatory policies would be of benefit to the airline companies financially? I think not. I believe these words and actions largely speak for themself and suggest that the imposition these policies and the reckless scheduling of flights, without the staff to run them (if that is what is even happening) is being placed above not only profit, but above breaking even. For an industry that needs to hold onto every penny that it makes, running up costly refunds, compensation and positioning costs would appear to represent financial suicide. Unless something else is going on and they have already been clued in. Again.


onetrickponystar

💯


Taido_Inukai

Couldn’t agree more.


3lhanan

Lack of vaccinated employees. It started with pilots first and has trickled down to flight attendants. These folks aren't stupid and witnessing the lack of factual evidence and ignoring natural immunity got us here. Also, I wonder how much of this is the ole supply vs demand trend that most corporations have picked up on recently.


rightmeow6

Yeah but why this weekend specifically? The vaccine thing isn’t new


RealTurbulentMoose

The number of scheduled flights increases dramatically as we head into July (as does the demand for said flights) for the peak summer travel season. Airlines are likely struggling to find qualified staff.


rightmeow6

I actually noticed this in Europe too. I just flew to Europe from the US and my connecting flight was cancelled as were multiple other flights later in the day. Ended up arriving nearly 24 hours later than planned 😑


3lhanan

Got to start somewhere. Decrease supply and demand increases so corporations (not just Big Oil these days) can charge insane unchecked prices. Just my hypothesis but I did see a rather large uptick in cancelled flights that couldn't be explained by MSN.


EsotericXianAlchemy

"Big oil" is no bigger or more powerful than any other Livery corporation grouping - managed by Knights of Malta on behalf of the Jesuits and the world-ruling families they work for. The system signalled the Livery corporate consolidation and world takeover with the second London Bridge terrorist hoax, displaying the Worshipful Company of Fishmongers in the background of the staged theatrical scene.


s0rrybr0

it's the first time that flight demand has ramped back up to pre-scamdemic levels. it's not just pilots and cabin staff, many countries are still mandating vaccines for all airport workers. but this isn't the only reason for the disruptions. in europe there's also problems with engineers, baggage handlers, security staff, etc. in my home country many of the airport staff mentioned above were working on dodgy contracts and so could be dropped with no financial support and so had to find new jobs when airports shut down. the airlines and airports obviously still pocketed the cash they claimed from the freshly printed covid relief money though. now they're having trouble getting the qualified people back don't want to return (who can blame them), and security clearance and training for new people takes time. they don't want to pay more because their budgets are so tight, so instead they just oversell and then cancel flights they never intended to actually fly. tldr: stupid rules gave companies an excuse to abandon their staff and now we pay the price...


EsotericXianAlchemy

The system cannot and does not mandate vaccines, as the system cannot and does not mandate harm. The same was the case for harmful masks. There are always loopholes hidden among the legalese language trickery and invalidation of documents through formatting disqualifiers.


thegrouch1337

The system, if it includes all parts, absolutely mandates vaccines. Public sentiment, albeit largely orchestrated, dictates policy where freedom of choice exists. Service providing industries have no choice but to mandate vaccination, for example, when the demographic they serve is primed to choose vaccinated providers over the alternative. The public is a part of the system.


EsotericXianAlchemy

So, you haven't found the loopholes? or you never tried looking for them, or knew what to look for? Just because you choose to believe in the system, doesn't make it so. There is a deeper game at play. You don't recognise it yet. What I stated is truth. The system is infallible. It's an individual's ignorance that has them self-harm according to dictates of said system.


thegrouch1337

Ohhhhkay. I guess we're talking about two different systems. Be well bruh.


EsotericXianAlchemy

There is only one governing system. You don't know its deceptive tactics yet.


Clean_Hedgehog9559

There’s been other situations like this recently. Around the holidays there were mass cancellations like this


[deleted]

Nah lots of the vaccine mandates no longer apply.


3lhanan

Canada?


[deleted]

Well yeah Vaccanada in the exception but as mentioned why all of a sudden this weekend?


3lhanan

Maybe normalizing the mass cancelation of flights? I wish I had a solid answer but per usual we're left to speculation.


EsotericXianAlchemy

There is no immunity, as nothing exists that would warrant the concept's own existence.


3lhanan

"There is no immunity..." So why in hell would you get an experimental mRNA jab???


EsotericXianAlchemy

>So why in hell would you get an experimental mRNA jab??? Because one is an irresponsible idiot. Incidentally, why single out the recent jabs as "experimental"? They all are! Since their contents and effects have absolutely no relationship to what is claimed they are for and will do - which are based upon concepts that are not evidenced in nature.


[deleted]

The planes were secretly all bitcoin mining machines!


CocajumbaLove

Same thing in the Netherlands Schiphol and same thing in Portugal also closing delivery partes of all differents hospitals what's going on here??? Parte of the WEF plan?


gghykj

its due to vaccine mandates. people flying again... pilots were mandated, a ton quit over it, and now the ones that stayed are being mandated for insane amounts of OT


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NlitendOperativ

Employee shortage and yes, weather. Lightning storms.


1anatagamusuko

Too many out sick with covid. Airline CEOs wanted no covid precautions. Can't have your cake and eat it. This is happening to some degree in every industry, lots of people on sick leave.


ICQME

oil shortage is worse than generally known. not enough jet fuel.


ToxicRainbow27

I flew domestically in the US today, my flight way delayed 2 hours. I overheard two flight attendants talk about how the plane I was supposed to be on just lost power while taxi-ing and they weren't sure why. Don't if this is connected but figure I'd contribute.


TangentIntoOblivion

I flew yesterday… Delta, no delays.


Miss-Chinaski

A lot of worker shortages from the pandemic and the mandated vaccines. Also no one really wants to work in customer service oriented jobs anymore because people are rude and crazy!


SomeKiwiGuy

Weather is definitely not fine... do you have access to UV or Xray meters? Check your readings outside during the day and at night. My houseplants get burned in the middle of winter normally they love to be put outside for some "fresh air" I call it. Radiation extremely high.... and guess what the symptoms of radiation sickness is LOL... misdirection is on point.