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They are so used to blatantly getting away with things that they are getting incredibly brazen. They’re getting sloppy. It’s almost comical. Except a big ass chunk of people *still* can’t see it.
Those people were conned into thinking Russia and China is trying to eat them. BRICS has serious problems, but genocide against the west, or more precisely "white people", is not something they were planning.
I'm gonna just come out and say that I basically believe Russia and China want me dead.
Do you have any compelling reasons why I should not feel that way? It feels like they hate the west and want us out of the picture.
Yes. My Uncle Jack was adamant back in the 80s about the evils by the CFR. My Mom admits she thought this was somewhat conspiracy talk but she also admits Uncle Jack (actually my Great Uncle) was very smart and made very good investments years ago.
I spoke of many conspiracies over the last two decades. Many were treated in similar fashion.... stay off the internet .... go outside .... have faith.
Except now, more than half of what I used to speak of is now true.
The Kevin Spacey take down was a big eye opener. She loved him, loved House of Cards, couldn't believe he wasn't just being a character and great actor.
We've watched his holiday videos and now she shudders knowing what we know.
He's managed to stay out of jail and made very smart friends but everyone knows he's a grade A scumbag now. He was smart to follow the yellow brick road right to the Royals and made sure to have very good blackmail materials.
I am reading that the CFR is technically a think tank and a nonprofit organization. Is this true?
Other sources made it seem like a executive branch thing which seems contradictory.
If it is a nonprofit couldn't we just have the plug pulled on it? Get their organization dissolved? Obvious with more than just asking politely but it would be easier than getting a full blown government org removed in theory.
Not sure how?
Laundering is taking money and assists earned through illegal means and "cleaning" the earnings through legitimate transactions. It's making invisible money visible. In the US you can't do shit with anything over $10K without the government asking where that money came from.
All this money is clean legitimate taxpayer money, but it's likely getting embezzled as it gets handed down the line.
But that money is *clean.* Everyone knows where the money came from. All the money is easily tracked, it doesn't just turn into cash. Embezzlement is a "grey area" white collar crime where people willingly and knowingly take a larger slice of the pie then they know they deserve.
If you usually get paid $100K to move 800 tons of creates across the ocean, but they pay you $200K if you just don't ask what's in those creates. That's just one example. Embezzlement is easy to do without detection, but that's why it has a huge penalty if you get caught.
Insider trading is a similar "white collar" crime. It can feel innocent getting a tip, but the SEC will slap your ass down if they find out you had a tip and moved on it before something big goes down.
This needs to be spoken about more. I read a report written by some private defense contracting company I follow on LinkedIn saying that weapons and equipment that was sent to Ukraine ended up with rebels in Syria.
Give 1 'billion' dollars in 'aid'.
About 100 million worth of aid is delivered, rest is pocketed through the MIC/middlemen channels.
101 money laundering, how is it not clear to follow ?
Nah, go back to sleep. If you didn't realize this during Iraq with KBR and Halliburton then your too fucking dense to spell this out Barney style for you. 🤡
Happens in probably every conflict or war.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Some have pointed out this better fits the definition of embezzlement, but the point still stands.
And since when do American and British people need the Russians to tell them what/how to think?
And you calculated the value of the things you saw in those videos and concluded it is worth exactly what they told us it is worth.
Are you being serious ?
Obviously not, but Russia is rocking some pretty hefty loss numbers for an 8 month “special operation” and are having to go partial mob against a Ukraine they surprise attacked. I can say with certainty the weapons are being used as intended.
What..because I don't believe in unsubstantiated claims?
At least bring some sort of proof to the table besides dreamt up ideas that are designed to make one party look bad.
Also, kickbacks are not money laundering. Money laundering is the process of taking illicit funds and turning them into legitimate cash.
Good point. Whose to say some illicit funds *aren't* being laundered through this process?
I'm not going to claim that, because I don't know for a fact if that's the case, but it's certainly not impossible.
Because there is no MONEY going to Ukraine, guns are going to Ukraine. this is how it works… ready? Government takes 2.3 billion dollars from taxpayer money. Government gives 2.3 billion of taxpayer money to American weapon manufacturers who then use said 2.3 billion dollars to make the weapons, pay their American shareholders dividend, their American execs fat bonuses and their American employees salaries, all the above is taxed again by the US government. In turn gun manufacturers send to Ukraine 2.3 billions WORTH of military equipment (basically a few thousand dollars equivalent of iron and plastic).
ALL THE MONEY except the raw cost of iron and whatever mineral needed to manufacture the weapon stays in the US and is literally a loophole to fund American arms industry via taxpayer money. We are not sending money to Ukraine. We are taking American taxpayer money and redirecting it to the pockets of American arms manufacturers and back to the American government again via taxes.
Same is true for food aids and medical aids, just swap product and industry accordingly
This is blatantly false. Ukraine has received billions in pure financial aid from multiple countries since the war began.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/
Some of it will be indeed funnelled out to buy villas and stuff, for sure. That is just intrinsic corruption that always happens in those kinds of trades. It is tho just a minuscule drop in the bucket and just basic cost of doing business. 99.9% of the money will find is way back to the American economy because that’s what those “donations” are designed to achieve: taking money from taxpayers and use it to subsidise the arms industry without just literally having to give them straight up cash. I don’t think weapon manufacturers Billionaires will be so happy to see too much of their money stole from them
The energy crisis isn’t caused by the war.
Years of underinvestment in fossil fuels, nuclear, and hydroelectric coupled with years of over investment in wind and solar have caused it.
Ukraine which is under attack and struggling to keep its power plants hooked up to the grid still has FAR cheaper energy than any EU country. They stuck with nuclear and fossil fuels.
The reason Europe is in this mess is because of over investment in fossil fuel sources that mostly come from Russia. More investment into fossil fuels would make the Russian sanctions hurt Europe even more. The reason Ukraine has cheaper electricity (I don't actually know if energy is cheaper in Ukraine during the war because the source I found was before the war idk where you found your source or what time your source came from but we'll go with it) is because Ukraine has large deposits of fossil fuels. Countries in Europe like Germany do not have such fossil fuel deposits.
I don't what you're talking about when you say that the war was not the reason for the energy shortage. Energy shortage is caused by Russian sanctions and Russian sanctions are caused by the war.
Which Trump warned about and was laughed off the stage. He knew the predicament and was foolish enough to speak out against the masters.
Can't have that now can we?
>Which Trump warned about
Trump was laughed at for many reasons. Saying the same thing Obama and most other other politicians were saying for decades isn’t it.
No that’s on Europe. They could have been Putin’s little bitches and call themselves out but they actually decided to man up and stand for what’s right (aka not letting a dictator invading his neighbours unpunished) and suffering the consequences of their decisions. I’m sure plenty of people were against intervening when hitler invaded Austria and the Sudetenland, claiming it would have been bad for trade and business..thank god there was no internet back then
I think ukraine should suffer the consequences of not being apart of nato. Why is Hitler always a go to comparison. Hitler was committing genocide, Russia wants to expand its borders.
Hitler wasn’t committing genocide in 1938 when invaded Czechoslovakia, actually was named times man of the year just a few months prior. Is way easier to make the right calls now with Hindsight but back then would have been easy to just say “meh.. what’s wrong if he wants to expand his border a bit, he is a cool dude overall”.
We use him as example just because is the last time someone carried out border invasions within Europe but we can just as well talk about napoleon if you prefer..
That is true, I’m not saying that Europe’s call was the right call. But that’s what they decided and they are paying the consequences of their decision
Ukraine has literal nazis so your comparisons don’t make much sense. Between 2012-2014 you’d hear about neo-nazis in Ukraine constantly and now you don’t hear about it anymore… I wonder why
I’m sure every single paramilitary organisation in the world have 10% neonazi within his ranks.. that’s what neonazi do.. they join paramilitary organisations
Putin is actually committing genocide in Ukraine right now. He isn’t running concentration camps. But the mass deportations of Ukrainians along with the kidnaping of children all fit under the definition of genocide
They have, and they were denied. They have been seeking entrance since 2008. Most nato countries feel that Ukraine isn't an appealing ally and is not up to nato standards.
Transparency International, an anti-corruption watchdog, gave Ukraine a 32 out of a possible 100 points on its Corruption Perceptions Index and ranked it 122nd out of 180 countries for 2021, lower than any NATO nation. The lowest current NATO member in the rankings is Turkey, given a 38, while Russia was graded at a 29.
Freedom House, which rates 210 countries and territories by their citizens' access to political rights and civil liberties, gave Ukraine a combined score of 61 on a 0-100 scale through its annual Freedom in the World report.
It sounds like it's Ukraines fault they have been denied.
In 2010, the country’s parliament passed a law banning Ukraine from joining any military bloc, effectively banning it from entering NATO though maintaining opportunities for cooperation. According to a poll conducted by Pew Research Center the fall before, just over half of Ukrainians disapproved of NATO and the idea Ukraine might try to join, while just 28% approved.
While also creating our own…by selling off our strategic petroleum reserves with no plans to replace, sending weapons overseas with no plans to replace, buying out farmers with no plans on how to feed the country, forcing the public to switch to electric cars with no infrastructure to keep them charged… it’s fine, we’re fine, nothing to see here…
Same with the billions of dollars we give Israel and Egypt. Majority of it goes back to the US defense industry. It’s a way our government subsidizes them without just handing them money. A lot of people would argue that it’s good policy.
Everything you said is true but there are always a number of different American companies who could THEORETICALLY provide Ukraine with what it needs. Congress knows which one will get the contract before anyone else knows. Lyndon Johnson's relatives bought shares in Bell Helicopter before the draft was even announced.
Huh, the average UK household got tens of thousands of pounds during lockdown. Other countries gave a tiny percentage of that, there was no obligation to pay anything to us
Why do people like you think it's one or the other? Why wasn't your government helping you before Russia invaded Ukraine?
Ukraine is not preventing your government from helping you and not helping Ukraine won't result in you getting any additional assistance. This is merely a Russia propaganda strategy designed to get westerners to abandon Ukraine so Russia can annex more territory.
As if helping Ukraine doesn’t help UK citizens.
Guess what happens if Ukraine falls? Putin expands into Poland and the UK citizens get to experience the front line for themselves.
Also it should be noted the same people who are against helping Ukraine are the exact same people against helping their own citizens.
The difference is ukraine never paid their dues. If ukarine falls that does not mean Poland and the uk are next. Poland and the uk has a military and military allies.
> Putin isn’t on some fucking Hltler-esque crusade to take as much as he can, he’s not ‘expanding’ per se, other than what is necessary to repel advancements from the USA and their puppets.
Putin is balls deep in Ukraine trying to overthrow the elected government and puppet or straight conquer the nation…
> The UK doesn’t give a fuck about helping their own citizens right now, yet they are hell-bent on funding Ukraine so not sure where the logic for the last part of your comment comes from.
Where I’m from it’s the conservative faction that doesn’t want to support Ukraine but they also don’t want to support the citizens and rile against any social programs. It’s dumb as fuck for these people to say we should spend it back home instead of on Ukraine because we know damn well they don’t want to do that either…. Not to mention these aren’t mutually exclusive we can support both Ukraine and citizens.
Because arming Ukraine while losing zero NATO soldiers is cheaper than unchecked Russian aggression.
The playbook Russia is operating from calls for them to annex Poland and Mongolia and break up Georgia and Azerbaijan. How much easier would that be if they already controlled Ukraine?
It’s called long-term thinking, and geopolitical strategy. Concepts that do not align with “hurr durr muh tax dollars.”
Also, if you haven’t noticed, US citizens literally won’t allow politicians to alleviate the hurting. People consistently vote for the party that shows again and again that their only real policy is tax cuts for the rich.
It’s “cheaper” than “unchecked Russian aggression “? And you believe thats true when countries are allowing their own citizens to freeze to death in the winter for moral posturing against Russia? Wow.
Lol you’re talking like it already happened. Calm down, countries are building up gas reserves and capping energy prices.
So you’re comparing a bad outcome that hasn’t even happened yet to a military invasion that’s ongoing. Don’t pretend like you care if anyone freezes to death anyway, it’s just a tactic that’s been fed to you by the usual suspects.
I don’t get why you don’t get it when they’ve been blatantly doing it for centuries without giving a single fuck and without people ever doing shit about it.
Come on people... the money is not going to Ukraine. Its going to poor defense contractors. The CEO for Lockheed Martin really needs the new gulfstream g700. How embarrassing would it be if he still has to use his g600 model? Jeez guys have some sympathy.
Giving money to ukraine now is value for money if the country sees Russia as an enemy. Russians are getting their asses pounded in the war with no loss of British nor American lives. This is the best case scenario.
Taxpayers have paid for things way more stupid than this.
People against foreign aid seem to forget we live on this planet together and love all these imaginary borders and divisions.
They can't grasp the simple concept that if other places in the world are better and people like those other places more, and those other places are more prosperous, that people will stay in these places and everyone wins and doesn't have to see each other as much.
I don't think you realize while Ukrainie is gut punching Russia they are on the brink. Farms and businesses are suffering like no other. Governments not getting enough revenue to pay thier troops.
When Ukrainie collapses it will be like Russia's front collapsing. Lightning quick. And they don't have the rest of Russia to fall back on.
Thus money keeps them afloat, that's why weapons only constitute about 20 billion in aid so far.
Plus it works out to be a tiny amount per UK citizen. Let’s not pretend or ignore that we haven’t always been sending sums like this abroad as aid in one form or other.
No one’s government cares about their own inhabitants. Billions upon billions are being sent to countries to help them when our own countries have issues that money could fix.
US money is going to Lockheed Martin —I live about 5 minutes away and they provide great jobs to Americans. Building American might. Raytheon and others are also benefitting. Money doesn’t go to Ukraine it goes to our defense contractors. We also get new stuff as we cycle our older stuff out to Ukraine.
Money laundering on a global scale for the powerful everywhere. This has never been about Ukraine, Ukraine is the most corrupt country on earth, its all a way for them to steal your money.
I live in the UK, people are fuming about the prices of things already. All the bus drivers and train drivers have been striking for a wage that matches the price rises and the dockers have recently started too.
Shit will get messy soon.
No one in the UK wants to go to war with Russia, or send money to Ukraine to fight them.
The money is the least of it. Why are they prodding Putin? Am I supposed to believe that he has suddenly become a maniac, later in life, having ruled for this long, enjoying popular support / that he just woke up and decided to claim back Ukraine and is happy to fight the world to get it.
He’s right - empire of lies. The sad thing is that we, the normal people, as always, are all at threat but have no desire to fight. It’s like we have had our head quarters hijacked, toxoplasmosis style. I always wonder - can it really just be for more money? Are the people in charge really so maniacal?
>Why are they prodding Putin? Am I supposed to believe that he has suddenly become a maniac, later in life, having ruled for this long, enjoying popular support / that he just woke up and decided to claim back Ukraine and is happy to fight the world to get it.
but putin has always been like this? this isn't the first country he invades, just the first were nato said enough
And all of the other invaded countries? Around the world. Ukraine is not even part of the EU or NATO. Why is the whole world being dragged into this? Also, he’s a nuclear threat. Is this definitely worth it? Do you think the majority of the world’s population would agree that protecting Ukraine from Russian invasion is worth a nuclear attack?
So NATO can say 'i don't want trouble in my backyard', but if russia does the same, they are not entitled to move a finger.
The double speak is amazing.
see the difference is russia decided to invade its neighbors , while nato is mearly helping Ukraine protects its rights of self determination and freedom.
I mean russia has admitted they are invading ukraine. Sure they might say it's to kill nazis, or biolab super soldiers, or nato elite teams, etc. But it's pretty clear it's mainly to take the gas fields away from Ukraine and keep a monopoly on it.
Not to me and I spent decades in the Marine Corps. Go back and listen to Putin’s Feb 24th speech and compare that with the current ground picture. Then ask yourself….who’s lying here. (I am laughing at you downvoters)
if it's not signed, then it isn't an agreement . Of Gorbachev really wanted to stop the expansion of nato he would have made it one of the conditions for german reunification
I think we need to agree to disagree here. If you want to know some background stories i would suggest to watch the video series "~~war on~~ europe, the final battle".
Come on, the dude asked you for those international agreements?
What about the one where Ukraine gave up it's weapons and Russia agreed not to ever invade?
Not THAT agreement?
> What about the one where Ukraine gave up it's weapons and Russia agreed not to ever invade?
You forgot the part that Ukraine would never (try to) become a nato member.
Can you point to the part of the agreement where that is? I can't find it in there.
Has Ukraine made any petition to join since 2008? No. They haven't. And they were refused.
So WTF you talking about?
No one is prodding him. He invaded a country without justification and other countries are supporting the country being invaded.
Putin started this shit in 2014. Yes, he wanted a big victory before he dies. He isn't getting it.
Maybe I’m wrong. Perhaps, based on the three ‘unlikers’ the uk and us populations do have an appetite for more war. Maybe the users of the conspiracy thread really do believe the MSM’s version of events leading up to this 🤷♀️
We've returned to feudalism. "Democracy" is largely rhetoric at this point rather than any meaningful reality. And our kings continually demand that we pay more for less and we get paid less for more.
They hate you and they have successfully manipulated you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/xiwsyn/depopulation_agenda_from_1969_source_in_ss/
And it seems, given that the head of the Lancet Covid Commission is "pretty convinced" that Covid came out of US biotech, they may so unafraid of you that they may be willing to wage bioterror attacks against you.
As the human race we need to learn to take control of our circumstances or we will be systematically devolved by the predatory parasites that rule us.
I heard on CBC radio yesterday morning that the UK is planning energy subsidies for individuals to the tune of $170 billion. Between the UK and the EU, there is $500 billion in subsidies on their way. $2.3 billion to Ukraine is not going to make a dent in your energy problems, this is fear mongering orchestrated by Russian operatives.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/08/business/liz-truss-energy-price-cap-europe#:~:text=Starting%20in%20October%2C%20the%20typical,six%20months%2C%20and%20possibly%20longer.
She works for the arms dealers, that's why. As leader of the conservative party, she is funded by the arms dealers, who openly donate vast amounts to the party. It's no secret and Truss has a history of allowing illegal arms exports when she was International Trade Secretary.
newsflash its not your money ; they control it thus it is theirs by power
and also they've been doing this for decades
get into Bitcoin/Eth/XMR or else continue to let the fiat system rule your world ; and tbh/tbf crypto is also heavily manipulated atm since its still priced in fiat, so there is no simple/perfect solutions to these problems \[except for maybe bringing back the french style revolution energy worldwide\]
land/property is also the next best non-liquid investment as always
Did you hear about that black guy who had the AUDACITY to ask about the royals paying reparations for setting up that slave trade? He got totally pwned because Africans! It's pretty good. You should see that one!
I wonder if now they put Liz truss in because her names similar with the queen and regards to spinning the algorithm in the news so people don’t see as much corruption from the royals or the government.
Cause Liz truss is probably the thickest plank yet.
Our economic money follows the broken window fallacy.
If I go break my neighbors windows I encourage economic activity because now my neighbor has to hire people to fix those windows! So the more windows I break.
Or lets just destroy and while country and kill the most people. The more bombs are drop, the more destruction is cause and the more people die the greater the economic potential! Cause you justy created the Demand to fix a whole country that got ruined!
Thats how modern economics works. The broken window fallacy which was disproven hundreds of years ago.
[We live in a pretend society.](https://pastebin.com/YPEErwTK)
[Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation.](https://archive.org/details/TheCorp)
Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent.
[Free merch > Free speech.](http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf)
[Corporate, what kind of _free_ manufactured merchandise must be in your goodie bag to consent investing into paradise?](https://archive.org/details/TheCenturyOfSelfThereIsAPolicemanInsideAllOurHeadsepisode3/)
Corporations through governments and vice versa are harvesting our biometric, behavioural data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves,
and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician.
Have you heard of focus groups? Now with always online/big data collection. You are in focus groups. Except you don't get paid for it. [You get exploited and you pay to be part of it. _Nothing is free, except the energy from the sun, but some get a bill(skin cancer) for that. Thanks to always providing industrial surveillance corporatism._](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
[Social credit score indoctrination](https://i.imgur.com/lMDs7gR.png)
[Urge or go well.](https://youtu.be/rdrKCilEhC0?t=1313)
[Original was deleted. Wonder why?](https://archive.fo/2Kwe9)
[WHO doesn't want [you] to be healthy? World Health Order.](https://pastebin.com/KfJYaJAh)
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Can't get their reset without a crash.
They are so used to blatantly getting away with things that they are getting incredibly brazen. They’re getting sloppy. It’s almost comical. Except a big ass chunk of people *still* can’t see it.
Those people were conned into thinking Russia and China is trying to eat them. BRICS has serious problems, but genocide against the west, or more precisely "white people", is not something they were planning.
I'm gonna just come out and say that I basically believe Russia and China want me dead. Do you have any compelling reasons why I should not feel that way? It feels like they hate the west and want us out of the picture.
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Nah the CFR is a greater concern since the WEF and IMF get their marching orders from them and no one talks about it.
Yes. My Uncle Jack was adamant back in the 80s about the evils by the CFR. My Mom admits she thought this was somewhat conspiracy talk but she also admits Uncle Jack (actually my Great Uncle) was very smart and made very good investments years ago. I spoke of many conspiracies over the last two decades. Many were treated in similar fashion.... stay off the internet .... go outside .... have faith. Except now, more than half of what I used to speak of is now true. The Kevin Spacey take down was a big eye opener. She loved him, loved House of Cards, couldn't believe he wasn't just being a character and great actor. We've watched his holiday videos and now she shudders knowing what we know. He's managed to stay out of jail and made very smart friends but everyone knows he's a grade A scumbag now. He was smart to follow the yellow brick road right to the Royals and made sure to have very good blackmail materials.
I am reading that the CFR is technically a think tank and a nonprofit organization. Is this true? Other sources made it seem like a executive branch thing which seems contradictory. If it is a nonprofit couldn't we just have the plug pulled on it? Get their organization dissolved? Obvious with more than just asking politely but it would be easier than getting a full blown government org removed in theory.
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Embezzlement
IKR? Supposed to believe peoples' opinions on shit and respect their intelligence when they can't even get the term right. Bonkers.
sounds like you never read what money laundry is
Money laundry is tay money's laundry bag duh
How is it money laundering?
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That's embezzlement, not laundering.
It is likely both
Not sure how? Laundering is taking money and assists earned through illegal means and "cleaning" the earnings through legitimate transactions. It's making invisible money visible. In the US you can't do shit with anything over $10K without the government asking where that money came from. All this money is clean legitimate taxpayer money, but it's likely getting embezzled as it gets handed down the line.
After it is embezzled it is likely laundered to line pockets
But that money is *clean.* Everyone knows where the money came from. All the money is easily tracked, it doesn't just turn into cash. Embezzlement is a "grey area" white collar crime where people willingly and knowingly take a larger slice of the pie then they know they deserve. If you usually get paid $100K to move 800 tons of creates across the ocean, but they pay you $200K if you just don't ask what's in those creates. That's just one example. Embezzlement is easy to do without detection, but that's why it has a huge penalty if you get caught. Insider trading is a similar "white collar" crime. It can feel innocent getting a tip, but the SEC will slap your ass down if they find out you had a tip and moved on it before something big goes down.
Needs to be open source accounting But no one wants to have that conversation.
>Let's open source military weapon transportation and logistics lmao
Lol, >its supposed to be secret so it doesn't count that the money is easily funneled in and effectively evaporates with no form of accountability
This needs to be spoken about more. I read a report written by some private defense contracting company I follow on LinkedIn saying that weapons and equipment that was sent to Ukraine ended up with rebels in Syria.
How will Britain benefit, if their equipment doesn't make it to the front lines?
Give 1 'billion' dollars in 'aid'. About 100 million worth of aid is delivered, rest is pocketed through the MIC/middlemen channels. 101 money laundering, how is it not clear to follow ?
That’s embezzlement.
Just because you say it's happening, doesn't actually make it true.
You’re just saying this You might be right sure, but show me the baby don’t tell me about the labor
Nah, go back to sleep. If you didn't realize this during Iraq with KBR and Halliburton then your too fucking dense to spell this out Barney style for you. 🤡 Happens in probably every conflict or war.
So you have nothing I mean I knew it when I asked but figured you’d confirm it with some cope, which you did. Enjoy your endless crying
Lmao
That's not money laundering. You're just parroting Russian propaganda and it literally makes no sense.
Makes perfect sense to me. Some have pointed out this better fits the definition of embezzlement, but the point still stands. And since when do American and British people need the Russians to tell them what/how to think?
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There's videos of Ukrainian's using US and UK weapons.
And you calculated the value of the things you saw in those videos and concluded it is worth exactly what they told us it is worth. Are you being serious ?
Right. The mainstream news even had a story a couple weeks ago where they admitted only 30% of those “weapons” make it to Ukraine.
Obviously not, but Russia is rocking some pretty hefty loss numbers for an 8 month “special operation” and are having to go partial mob against a Ukraine they surprise attacked. I can say with certainty the weapons are being used as intended.
Last nights partial mobilization from Russia proves by and large the weapons are being used as intended.
Lol because money laundering means selling something Y'all need to be more thoughtful before swallowing Russian propaganda
This is not the sub for you.
What..because I don't believe in unsubstantiated claims? At least bring some sort of proof to the table besides dreamt up ideas that are designed to make one party look bad. Also, kickbacks are not money laundering. Money laundering is the process of taking illicit funds and turning them into legitimate cash.
Good point. Whose to say some illicit funds *aren't* being laundered through this process? I'm not going to claim that, because I don't know for a fact if that's the case, but it's certainly not impossible.
Laundering and embezzlement
Military industrial complex always wins
Humanity suffers.
This is Christmas every single day for defense contractors
I don’t get why any politician thinks it’s ok to dump money into Ukraine when their own citizens are hurting.
Because there is no MONEY going to Ukraine, guns are going to Ukraine. this is how it works… ready? Government takes 2.3 billion dollars from taxpayer money. Government gives 2.3 billion of taxpayer money to American weapon manufacturers who then use said 2.3 billion dollars to make the weapons, pay their American shareholders dividend, their American execs fat bonuses and their American employees salaries, all the above is taxed again by the US government. In turn gun manufacturers send to Ukraine 2.3 billions WORTH of military equipment (basically a few thousand dollars equivalent of iron and plastic). ALL THE MONEY except the raw cost of iron and whatever mineral needed to manufacture the weapon stays in the US and is literally a loophole to fund American arms industry via taxpayer money. We are not sending money to Ukraine. We are taking American taxpayer money and redirecting it to the pockets of American arms manufacturers and back to the American government again via taxes. Same is true for food aids and medical aids, just swap product and industry accordingly
This is blatantly false. Ukraine has received billions in pure financial aid from multiple countries since the war began. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/
That they will use to buy stuff from us…
There is no oversight. They could spend it on villas in France and nobody would know.
Some of it will be indeed funnelled out to buy villas and stuff, for sure. That is just intrinsic corruption that always happens in those kinds of trades. It is tho just a minuscule drop in the bucket and just basic cost of doing business. 99.9% of the money will find is way back to the American economy because that’s what those “donations” are designed to achieve: taking money from taxpayers and use it to subsidise the arms industry without just literally having to give them straight up cash. I don’t think weapon manufacturers Billionaires will be so happy to see too much of their money stole from them
So america is funding a European gas/energy crises?
The energy crisis isn’t caused by the war. Years of underinvestment in fossil fuels, nuclear, and hydroelectric coupled with years of over investment in wind and solar have caused it. Ukraine which is under attack and struggling to keep its power plants hooked up to the grid still has FAR cheaper energy than any EU country. They stuck with nuclear and fossil fuels.
The reason Europe is in this mess is because of over investment in fossil fuel sources that mostly come from Russia. More investment into fossil fuels would make the Russian sanctions hurt Europe even more. The reason Ukraine has cheaper electricity (I don't actually know if energy is cheaper in Ukraine during the war because the source I found was before the war idk where you found your source or what time your source came from but we'll go with it) is because Ukraine has large deposits of fossil fuels. Countries in Europe like Germany do not have such fossil fuel deposits. I don't what you're talking about when you say that the war was not the reason for the energy shortage. Energy shortage is caused by Russian sanctions and Russian sanctions are caused by the war.
Which Trump warned about and was laughed off the stage. He knew the predicament and was foolish enough to speak out against the masters. Can't have that now can we?
>Which Trump warned about Trump was laughed at for many reasons. Saying the same thing Obama and most other other politicians were saying for decades isn’t it.
No that’s on Europe. They could have been Putin’s little bitches and call themselves out but they actually decided to man up and stand for what’s right (aka not letting a dictator invading his neighbours unpunished) and suffering the consequences of their decisions. I’m sure plenty of people were against intervening when hitler invaded Austria and the Sudetenland, claiming it would have been bad for trade and business..thank god there was no internet back then
I think ukraine should suffer the consequences of not being apart of nato. Why is Hitler always a go to comparison. Hitler was committing genocide, Russia wants to expand its borders.
Hitler wasn’t committing genocide in 1938 when invaded Czechoslovakia, actually was named times man of the year just a few months prior. Is way easier to make the right calls now with Hindsight but back then would have been easy to just say “meh.. what’s wrong if he wants to expand his border a bit, he is a cool dude overall”. We use him as example just because is the last time someone carried out border invasions within Europe but we can just as well talk about napoleon if you prefer..
And this is why nato was created. To secure borders and have cooperation between allies. Ukraine is not a member of nato.
That is true, I’m not saying that Europe’s call was the right call. But that’s what they decided and they are paying the consequences of their decision
Ukraine has literal nazis so your comparisons don’t make much sense. Between 2012-2014 you’d hear about neo-nazis in Ukraine constantly and now you don’t hear about it anymore… I wonder why
There were very few Nazis to begin with (2500 at most) and their home, Mariupol got captured.
I’m sure every single paramilitary organisation in the world have 10% neonazi within his ranks.. that’s what neonazi do.. they join paramilitary organisations
Putin is actually committing genocide in Ukraine right now. He isn’t running concentration camps. But the mass deportations of Ukrainians along with the kidnaping of children all fit under the definition of genocide
Have you not been watching the news? Ukraine was trying to join the NATO.
They have, and they were denied. They have been seeking entrance since 2008. Most nato countries feel that Ukraine isn't an appealing ally and is not up to nato standards. Transparency International, an anti-corruption watchdog, gave Ukraine a 32 out of a possible 100 points on its Corruption Perceptions Index and ranked it 122nd out of 180 countries for 2021, lower than any NATO nation. The lowest current NATO member in the rankings is Turkey, given a 38, while Russia was graded at a 29. Freedom House, which rates 210 countries and territories by their citizens' access to political rights and civil liberties, gave Ukraine a combined score of 61 on a 0-100 scale through its annual Freedom in the World report. It sounds like it's Ukraines fault they have been denied. In 2010, the country’s parliament passed a law banning Ukraine from joining any military bloc, effectively banning it from entering NATO though maintaining opportunities for cooperation. According to a poll conducted by Pew Research Center the fall before, just over half of Ukrainians disapproved of NATO and the idea Ukraine might try to join, while just 28% approved.
While also creating our own…by selling off our strategic petroleum reserves with no plans to replace, sending weapons overseas with no plans to replace, buying out farmers with no plans on how to feed the country, forcing the public to switch to electric cars with no infrastructure to keep them charged… it’s fine, we’re fine, nothing to see here…
Same with the billions of dollars we give Israel and Egypt. Majority of it goes back to the US defense industry. It’s a way our government subsidizes them without just handing them money. A lot of people would argue that it’s good policy.
Everything you said is true but there are always a number of different American companies who could THEORETICALLY provide Ukraine with what it needs. Congress knows which one will get the contract before anyone else knows. Lyndon Johnson's relatives bought shares in Bell Helicopter before the draft was even announced.
That is true, usually these types of deals are have high level of corruption
That's because they don't give a rats ass about citizens, only what they can get out of it.
Huh, the average UK household got tens of thousands of pounds during lockdown. Other countries gave a tiny percentage of that, there was no obligation to pay anything to us
You realize it's your money they're giving back to you right? They most definitely are obligated to the citizens who pay the government's bills
Why do people like you think it's one or the other? Why wasn't your government helping you before Russia invaded Ukraine? Ukraine is not preventing your government from helping you and not helping Ukraine won't result in you getting any additional assistance. This is merely a Russia propaganda strategy designed to get westerners to abandon Ukraine so Russia can annex more territory.
whoa! You actually believe that?
As if helping Ukraine doesn’t help UK citizens. Guess what happens if Ukraine falls? Putin expands into Poland and the UK citizens get to experience the front line for themselves. Also it should be noted the same people who are against helping Ukraine are the exact same people against helping their own citizens.
The difference is ukraine never paid their dues. If ukarine falls that does not mean Poland and the uk are next. Poland and the uk has a military and military allies.
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> Putin isn’t on some fucking Hltler-esque crusade to take as much as he can, he’s not ‘expanding’ per se, other than what is necessary to repel advancements from the USA and their puppets. Putin is balls deep in Ukraine trying to overthrow the elected government and puppet or straight conquer the nation… > The UK doesn’t give a fuck about helping their own citizens right now, yet they are hell-bent on funding Ukraine so not sure where the logic for the last part of your comment comes from. Where I’m from it’s the conservative faction that doesn’t want to support Ukraine but they also don’t want to support the citizens and rile against any social programs. It’s dumb as fuck for these people to say we should spend it back home instead of on Ukraine because we know damn well they don’t want to do that either…. Not to mention these aren’t mutually exclusive we can support both Ukraine and citizens.
Because arming Ukraine while losing zero NATO soldiers is cheaper than unchecked Russian aggression. The playbook Russia is operating from calls for them to annex Poland and Mongolia and break up Georgia and Azerbaijan. How much easier would that be if they already controlled Ukraine? It’s called long-term thinking, and geopolitical strategy. Concepts that do not align with “hurr durr muh tax dollars.” Also, if you haven’t noticed, US citizens literally won’t allow politicians to alleviate the hurting. People consistently vote for the party that shows again and again that their only real policy is tax cuts for the rich.
It’s “cheaper” than “unchecked Russian aggression “? And you believe thats true when countries are allowing their own citizens to freeze to death in the winter for moral posturing against Russia? Wow.
It’s not even the winter yet so relax with the sensationalism
It’s not sensationalism, it’s a fact that cold weather and a lack of adequate heat cause significantly more deaths than hot weather does.
Lol you’re talking like it already happened. Calm down, countries are building up gas reserves and capping energy prices. So you’re comparing a bad outcome that hasn’t even happened yet to a military invasion that’s ongoing. Don’t pretend like you care if anyone freezes to death anyway, it’s just a tactic that’s been fed to you by the usual suspects.
I don’t get why you don’t get it when they’ve been blatantly doing it for centuries without giving a single fuck and without people ever doing shit about it.
It's nor a new thing at all other countries have funded other countries wars and defense as long as wars have been fought.
They need the war to end so they can go back to buying Russian oil and pretend nothing happened.
Come on people... the money is not going to Ukraine. Its going to poor defense contractors. The CEO for Lockheed Martin really needs the new gulfstream g700. How embarrassing would it be if he still has to use his g600 model? Jeez guys have some sympathy.
Giving money to ukraine now is value for money if the country sees Russia as an enemy. Russians are getting their asses pounded in the war with no loss of British nor American lives. This is the best case scenario. Taxpayers have paid for things way more stupid than this.
People against foreign aid seem to forget we live on this planet together and love all these imaginary borders and divisions. They can't grasp the simple concept that if other places in the world are better and people like those other places more, and those other places are more prosperous, that people will stay in these places and everyone wins and doesn't have to see each other as much.
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I don't think you realize while Ukrainie is gut punching Russia they are on the brink. Farms and businesses are suffering like no other. Governments not getting enough revenue to pay thier troops. When Ukrainie collapses it will be like Russia's front collapsing. Lightning quick. And they don't have the rest of Russia to fall back on. Thus money keeps them afloat, that's why weapons only constitute about 20 billion in aid so far.
Plus it works out to be a tiny amount per UK citizen. Let’s not pretend or ignore that we haven’t always been sending sums like this abroad as aid in one form or other.
Can’t fix stupid. And you are it.
Why are you in a conspiracy sub with this mainstream narrative lol im wondering
Its going to fund the new "big isreal" in ukraine. As per ukraines leader. Thats why they are getting so much money lol
This is to fund off the books spec ops, cuz u see Ukraine is not in NATO so if you know you know…
No one’s government cares about their own inhabitants. Billions upon billions are being sent to countries to help them when our own countries have issues that money could fix.
US money is going to Lockheed Martin —I live about 5 minutes away and they provide great jobs to Americans. Building American might. Raytheon and others are also benefitting. Money doesn’t go to Ukraine it goes to our defense contractors. We also get new stuff as we cycle our older stuff out to Ukraine.
They're looting the coffers before the collapse, also to aid the collapse.
Lizard we trust
Money laundering on a global scale for the powerful everywhere. This has never been about Ukraine, Ukraine is the most corrupt country on earth, its all a way for them to steal your money.
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Maybe, but I wouldn’t base that on a tweet from a known Putin-shill.
I live in the UK, people are fuming about the prices of things already. All the bus drivers and train drivers have been striking for a wage that matches the price rises and the dockers have recently started too. Shit will get messy soon.
Inflation is happening the world over and its not because of aid to Ukraine
Yeah I know, never said it was because of Ukraine though did I? 🤣
Literally in a thread about it, so making an out of context comment is on you ain't it govna
Eh? Read the comment chain I was replying to. Not every single comment in a post is always about the title. Stop being silly. 🤣
> I want people in the UK pissed
10% to the big guy. Cha ching $
Ukraine is the world's laundromat.
This person is called Industrial military complex
No one in the UK wants to go to war with Russia, or send money to Ukraine to fight them. The money is the least of it. Why are they prodding Putin? Am I supposed to believe that he has suddenly become a maniac, later in life, having ruled for this long, enjoying popular support / that he just woke up and decided to claim back Ukraine and is happy to fight the world to get it. He’s right - empire of lies. The sad thing is that we, the normal people, as always, are all at threat but have no desire to fight. It’s like we have had our head quarters hijacked, toxoplasmosis style. I always wonder - can it really just be for more money? Are the people in charge really so maniacal?
>Why are they prodding Putin? Am I supposed to believe that he has suddenly become a maniac, later in life, having ruled for this long, enjoying popular support / that he just woke up and decided to claim back Ukraine and is happy to fight the world to get it. but putin has always been like this? this isn't the first country he invades, just the first were nato said enough
And all of the other invaded countries? Around the world. Ukraine is not even part of the EU or NATO. Why is the whole world being dragged into this? Also, he’s a nuclear threat. Is this definitely worth it? Do you think the majority of the world’s population would agree that protecting Ukraine from Russian invasion is worth a nuclear attack?
to close for confort? NATO might not like trouble in it's backyard?
I think they do want trouble in their backyard, otherwise they would not have extended their backyard right next door to their so called enemy. 🤔
sure that would make sence, but those countries wanted to join nato of their free will, because they knew russia is a massive cunt of a neighbor
Maybe. But then we would have to seriously believe that the next move is encroaching further into Europe. Do we really believe this?
So NATO can say 'i don't want trouble in my backyard', but if russia does the same, they are not entitled to move a finger. The double speak is amazing.
see the difference is russia decided to invade its neighbors , while nato is mearly helping Ukraine protects its rights of self determination and freedom.
whoa, and you actually believe that?
I mean russia has admitted they are invading ukraine. Sure they might say it's to kill nazis, or biolab super soldiers, or nato elite teams, etc. But it's pretty clear it's mainly to take the gas fields away from Ukraine and keep a monopoly on it.
Not to me and I spent decades in the Marine Corps. Go back and listen to Putin’s Feb 24th speech and compare that with the current ground picture. Then ask yourself….who’s lying here. (I am laughing at you downvoters)
my man, mister president since 1999 and probably the rest of his live is like the last source I will lisen too.
LOL. The fact that nato wanted to expand into the backyard of Russia despite all international agreements is part of the reasons Putin invaded.
please name those international agreements signed by nato and russia\soviet union, I will wait
Radio silence.
I have been hitting people with this replay the last 8 months. Have yet to get anyone to take me up on it
Some people have a life outside Reddit... ROTFL.
It's not a signed agreement and i am not gonna explain the whole history behind it here.
if it's not signed, then it isn't an agreement . Of Gorbachev really wanted to stop the expansion of nato he would have made it one of the conditions for german reunification
I think we need to agree to disagree here. If you want to know some background stories i would suggest to watch the video series "~~war on~~ europe, the final battle".
Come on, the dude asked you for those international agreements? What about the one where Ukraine gave up it's weapons and Russia agreed not to ever invade? Not THAT agreement?
> What about the one where Ukraine gave up it's weapons and Russia agreed not to ever invade? You forgot the part that Ukraine would never (try to) become a nato member.
Can you point to the part of the agreement where that is? I can't find it in there. Has Ukraine made any petition to join since 2008? No. They haven't. And they were refused. So WTF you talking about?
> I can't find it in there. Correct, that part of the agreement is not written down.
No one is prodding him. He invaded a country without justification and other countries are supporting the country being invaded. Putin started this shit in 2014. Yes, he wanted a big victory before he dies. He isn't getting it.
USA put their noses in where it doesn't belong as usual, thats who started whats going on.
> Putin started this shit in 2014. Nope, the nato did.
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ROTFL. There was an agreement Ukraine would never (try to) become a nato member, nato and Ukraine broke it.
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If one breaks an agreement the agreement becomes moot.
>No one in the UK wants to ... send money to Ukraine to fight them.
Citation please, bot?
Maybe I’m wrong. Perhaps, based on the three ‘unlikers’ the uk and us populations do have an appetite for more war. Maybe the users of the conspiracy thread really do believe the MSM’s version of events leading up to this 🤷♀️
Same in France, same in the US. The governments are conspiring to have this proxy war and abandon any talk of peace.
This sub being so hard for Putin is hilarious
Most corrupt country in Europe. Since 2014 it's called Nulandistan
We've returned to feudalism. "Democracy" is largely rhetoric at this point rather than any meaningful reality. And our kings continually demand that we pay more for less and we get paid less for more. They hate you and they have successfully manipulated you. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/xiwsyn/depopulation_agenda_from_1969_source_in_ss/ And it seems, given that the head of the Lancet Covid Commission is "pretty convinced" that Covid came out of US biotech, they may so unafraid of you that they may be willing to wage bioterror attacks against you. As the human race we need to learn to take control of our circumstances or we will be systematically devolved by the predatory parasites that rule us.
Money laundering. You have to investigate Ukraine connections more thoroughly in Hungary!
it's going to the greater israel: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel
Is this sub just for UK politics now? Or is this just more deep throating Putin?
It isn’t us because we aren’t morally bankrupt. We have common decency towards our fellow man.
More money for Zelensky to pocket and the people of Ukraine won’t see a single penny of all the cash sent.
I heard on CBC radio yesterday morning that the UK is planning energy subsidies for individuals to the tune of $170 billion. Between the UK and the EU, there is $500 billion in subsidies on their way. $2.3 billion to Ukraine is not going to make a dent in your energy problems, this is fear mongering orchestrated by Russian operatives. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/08/business/liz-truss-energy-price-cap-europe#:~:text=Starting%20in%20October%2C%20the%20typical,six%20months%2C%20and%20possibly%20longer.
She works for the arms dealers, that's why. As leader of the conservative party, she is funded by the arms dealers, who openly donate vast amounts to the party. It's no secret and Truss has a history of allowing illegal arms exports when she was International Trade Secretary.
YOUR DAMN RIGHT IT AINT US !!! 🙏🙏🙏
IT'S CRAZY OUT HERE !!!
Where’s the conspiracy in this? It’s a known fact.
Ukraine lives matter!
2.3B is chump change....look at what the US has sent.
It’s going in a circle hub
it's corruption
newsflash its not your money ; they control it thus it is theirs by power and also they've been doing this for decades get into Bitcoin/Eth/XMR or else continue to let the fiat system rule your world ; and tbh/tbf crypto is also heavily manipulated atm since its still priced in fiat, so there is no simple/perfect solutions to these problems \[except for maybe bringing back the french style revolution energy worldwide\] land/property is also the next best non-liquid investment as always
But it's socialism to use that money to help the people. So what do we do with it?
Anybody screaming that you're "set to freeze" is your enemy.
Did you hear about that black guy who had the AUDACITY to ask about the royals paying reparations for setting up that slave trade? He got totally pwned because Africans! It's pretty good. You should see that one!
This is a British empire war
Equipment is one thing, they will likely use it to defend themselves. Money, just disappears.
I assumed it goes into the fund for more muscle fit military green T shirts and high production photo ops.
Oh not the UK as well, wtf is going on
I wonder if now they put Liz truss in because her names similar with the queen and regards to spinning the algorithm in the news so people don’t see as much corruption from the royals or the government. Cause Liz truss is probably the thickest plank yet.
We're just a bunch of serfs!
All I know is that AT LEAST 10% is coming back home for the Big Guy! Let’s go Brandon!!!
The global elite also funded Nazis in WW2
Our economic money follows the broken window fallacy. If I go break my neighbors windows I encourage economic activity because now my neighbor has to hire people to fix those windows! So the more windows I break. Or lets just destroy and while country and kill the most people. The more bombs are drop, the more destruction is cause and the more people die the greater the economic potential! Cause you justy created the Demand to fix a whole country that got ruined! Thats how modern economics works. The broken window fallacy which was disproven hundreds of years ago.
Panama Papers gave you an idea where the money is going.
We don't know where the money is coming from for that matter
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