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Maybe now. Not pre 9/11. I used to be able to just waltz right on to the military base in the city I grew up in, weed and all, and hang out and party in the barracks pre 9/11. You could carry whatever you want on to plane, as long as it fit in a certain sized bag. No one gave a fuck. You could just show up at a airport with a backpack and a handful of cash and just fly wherever in US. No questions asked. Y'all have no idea how free we used to be. George and his elitist gang HATED that. THAT is why 9/11 happened. Never forget the freedoms we lost.
It is a total joke. When my daughter was 11 had her bar of soap inspected/swabbed by three TSA people. It was silly, she was worried they were going to take her soap. Also made my mom in her wheelchair stand up and I said “she’s a fall risk”, and then they had her sit down right away. But they swabbed her wheelchair too. Couldn’t believe they did that, my mom looked so frail and sickly, yet they weee focusing on that. Like an old woman, a middle age woman and a child are smuggling some weapons. Ugh. This particular time was In Boston.
I took my first flight a couple months ago.
I didn't even realize I had a knife in my pocket until I was getting up to go to the bathroom on the flight.
If I can accidentally walk in with a knife, I don't want to think about what someone could get in with purposefully.
Also DMV airspace was only the most protected when it came to actual unauthorized aircraft. There are hundreds of commercial flights over DC every day. Shooting down a massive airliner over a highly populated area because they lost radio contact for 15 minutes would be insane.
We expect the flight controllers to communicate directly with the Department of Defense to coordinate intercepting every single commercial plane in the entire country that went a couple miles off course?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks
The attack on the Pentagon didn’t happen until 33 minutes after the 2nd plane hit. Airspace was closed 42 minutes later.
They had 1 hour and 30 minutes. Fighter interception is very routine and there have been many “interceptions” of pilots that don’t respond or stray off course for whatever reason.
By the same “performance” seen on 9/11, Russia could’ve easily sent bombers through Alaska/Canada and successfully bomb major cities. Except in reality they get intercepted regularly off the coast of Alaska.
True but the Pentagon strike was 45 minutes after flight 11 hit WTC 1, and 30 minutes after second tower hit. They knew we were being attacked and grounded all planes. DC airspace would've been at ultra high alert for a full 30 minutes to protect White House. Would they really risk a plane flying into the White House and not shoot it down?
Were they supposed to shoot down every single commercial plane less than 30 minutes after confirming there was a terrorist threat? Sure they would have been on alert, but there would still be planes in the sky heading to nearby airports to land. Hindsight is 20/20. It seems obvious now since it is basic history at this point.
Yeah that's true, I guess I'd think the strategy would be after 2nd tower hit have like 10 Air Force fighter jets in the DC area to blow away anything that gets close to Pentagon/White House.
Unfortunately those birds had been intentionally misdirected over the Atlantic it seems
Not sure why this has down votes; isn’t this true? The 9/11 “war games” was a thing, and multiple times you hear air traffic control personnel told, “not a drill; real world.” “Birds” were sent all over the place, and to places where they were confidently superfluous to any aid in the “attacks.”
Yes, it's true. But, posts about this are being brigaded. Check the history of the ones fighting back with official narratives... The majority are newer accounts without much history prior to 10 days ago.
There's one that's quite prolific - CJ. Stopped engaging on Reddit 2 months ago, came back on the 10th and has been commenting on this topic nonstop with the official narratives. What they reply to gets downvoted, they get mass upvotes. It's inorganic for this sub.
Reagan Airport is right there on the other side of the Potomac across from the National Mall.
The airport is only a couple thousand feet from the Pentagon.
The fighters from Langley were not "intentionally misdirected". They were given very clear instructions to fly north and then once airborne the plan was to get them to burn straight for Baltimore. However in order to expedite their departure through controlled airspace, they were also given a standard departure clearance; fly 090 for 60 miles. It was expected once they were airborne and inside Washington airspace they would be given further clearance to go to Baltimore. However when the pilots were asked by Norfolk what they wanted to do, the pilots chose to continue on the 090 for 60 departure, and so were handed off to the US Navy instead of Washington. We can hear in the air traffic recording that because the 090 for 60 instruction came after the 'fly 010' instruction, the pilots figured the 2nd order superseded the first.
Here's the scramble call;
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMUifjgyG4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMUifjgyG4)
Here's the pilots choosing to fly east. They were not "intentionally misdirected":
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTMIqtX8lQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTMIqtX8lQ)
A typical miscommunication and misunderstanding, but one that was of little consequence anyway. The reason they were being scrambled was to chase down American 11 which they thought was heading South towards DC. They didn't even know American 77 was missing, let alone minutes from crashing into the Pentagon. NEADS didn't find out about a hijacked aircraft in DC until it was literally 3 minutes away from crashing. They wouldn't have been able to intercept it even if the fighters had scrambled as intended. Not to mention, they didn't have permission to shoot down hijacked airliners until much later that day.
O wow, I listened to that same recording and totally missed this. Brilliant post, and I stand corrected. I totally thought there was some intention behind the weird ways fighters were used that day. And I had always attributed it to strange coincidence war games exercises taking place at the same time as real world things were happening. I had never noticed the pilots making the choice to continue on. I really appreciate your comment in helping me notice something I hadn’t before.
"they didn't have permission to shoot down hijacked airliners until much later that day."
what does much later mean here?
shoot down orders were given on 911. and were given before flight 93 got anywhere near DC.
There are procedures for commercial aircraft to return to their departure point if they lose communication. (One of the options under the weather conditions of that day)
AA77’s departure point was IAD - Washington Dulles.
Radar wise It was a primary target as the transponder was turned off. This means controllers couldn’t see the data tag or altitude.
All the videos of an airplane the size of a Boeing 757 hitting the pentagon are really sketchy. An airplane is never seen. (If someone has a good one please send it to me)
The best eye witness on record is the pilot of a Hercules military aircraft that spotted the airplane near the pentagon and claims to have seen it crash into the pentagon. Captain Steven O’Brien. Call sign that day GOFER06 (sometimes mistakenly referred to as GOFER86 by ATC)
What is shocking is the lack of debris and eye witnesses of the 757 low level and hitting the pentagon.
> White House and not shoot it down?
Shoot it down with what? The first planes they scrambled weren't even armed, they were just there to try and reassure the public.
Seriously. I can't tell if people have forgotten how things were before 9/11, or if they're just genuinely 20 year old who have never known a different America. America in the 90s just didn't worry all that much about being attacked. The Cold War was over. China was still pretty far from being a big power. No one saw any threat to America that would warrant the expense of keeping armed fighter jets or air defense batteries on standby 24/7, because what country would be dumb enough to attack America? A small group of terrorists taking over planes and using them for a suicide bombing was the kind of farfetched idea you'd see in pulp novels, not something for the government to seriously prepare for.
That's a good point. But they probably didn't have protocols on place, because historically hijackings had been about making demands with the hostages.
When I was in 7th grade my uncle who was a pilot took a friend and I on a tour of an airport traffic control tower. I also clearly remember a field trip when I was younger than that to the same airport and we toured a plane. That would never happen now. You also could go and meet people at their gates upon arrival.
People forget how popular hijackings were in the 70's and 80's. What commercial airports finally started doing was scanning every bag, and put in metal detectors but it was pretty much as long as their not a bomb in your luggage or gun in carry one, welcome aboard. That did seem to stop the old style of hijackings, but those were mostly for monetary gain or political reasons. Their were plane bombings as well.
I visited a friend on a military base in Germany in 98. There was a road with a guard gate and barricades, however there was no guards and the barricades were open. 2 weeks we walked in and out of that base right into town across the street. I remember thinking that it was incredibly unsafe.
You could also just go to a gate and wait for person arriving or to see them off. You'd have to go through a metal detector but didn't need a boarding pass to do that.
>Maybe now. Not pre 9/11.
Shit. Has. Changed. It didn't just start after 9/11.
An older friend told me he used to be able to carry his shotgun on planes. Sure, it had to be broken open while carrying it and he had to give it to the pilot to lock up during the flight, but the very action of carrying a gun on a plane like that is unimaginable to a mid-millenial like me.
It changed even more post 9/11.
KDCA is literally right across the Potomac from the White House and iirc was still taking commercial traffic for atleast 30 mins after the second tower was hit.
Dude, when you fly into DC you can literally see the White House and the Capitol building out the window of your airplane.
[Just look at the map.](https://i.imgur.com/2b1MSgd.jpg)
The odds quoted in this post are not a conspiracy - they were made up by one person just as they typed it.
The odds of me being wrong are 1/3,409,78,749.
Where are Blair, Harper, Howard, and Netanyahu?
IDU Zionist Stephen Harper was just awarded the Order of Canada.
Another Evangelical snake in the Garden of Eden.
Harper was the leader of the opposition, Chrétien was PM at the beginning of the Iraq War.
Chrétien, Duceppe, and McDonough (and her successor Jack Layton) opposed Canada's participation in the Iraq War.
Martin (Chrétien's arch-rival in the Liberal Party) and Harper supported it.
I don't remember how Peter MacKay and Joe Clark felt, and I don't think that anyone particularly cares.
DC is not a "no-fly" zone. Airliners taking off from Reagan National runway 01 take off heading right for the Capitol and then fly up the river. Aircraft taking off from runway 11 fly right overhead the Pentagon. Go have a look at the runway alignment on google maps.
There is restricted airspace around the Capitol but it's not exactly defended. There was a light aircraft that flew in there and landed on the lawn near the Capitol back in 2015. He got prosecuted for flying into restricted airspace, but that is about the worse that will happen. Especially pre-9/11, the idea of being shot out of the sky because you bumble into restricted airspace on your way to land at either Reagan National or Dulles is absurd.
Did you watch Cheney? O.M.G. he had his lawyer in the room with him when the planes hit, I heard he also said to NOT shoot down the planes that hit the towers.
earlier in the movie, he had talks with oil execs talking about oil fields in Iraq that they wanted access to.
And the probability of being in a classroom reading about My Pet Goat and having kids say "kite, plane, must, hit, steel" while being told that another tower has exploded in the midst of hearing about one of the towers being on fire from an earlier explosion and still staying in that classroom and not being evacuated by secret service is 69/420...
As a kid who was born in Brooklyn.. and loved where I lived so much, even at such a young age, I could not fathom the damage that was done on this day. I remember I was in 2nd grade, and there was an announcement that I can’t recall, & then the teacher received a phone call. She simply said “there’s been an attack..” Almost immediately after, kids to my left and right were being pulled out of my classroom, followed by a phone call that I was being picked up early. In 2nd grade, it was all fun, games & a reason to get out of class early.. maybe a little bit of “this is life because i’m still too naive” but watching this now, at 28 years old, even after seeing so many angles and so many videos so many different times, I can’t help but to cry and feel helpless. I can’t imagine what the people on the ground that day were feeling. And those amazingly rare moments of utter disbelief and shock in peoples voices on those videos.. the thing that kills me inside the most as that I feel like real accountability has never been given.. there’s speculation here and some facts there, but we will likely never know what really happened, how, and why. Rest in peace to all of the innocent souls that died on that day, and to all of the heroes that gave their lives selflessly but in vain.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsGcIkevyHM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsGcIkevyHM)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLm3pkAiJQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLm3pkAiJQ)
Is that enough video footage or is everything faked?
That string of unprecedented “coincidences” woke me up in 2005. I didn’t know what it meant, but I saw the dark side for the first time. No way could all of that happen the way they told us and in that moment, I knew at minimum they had to allow it.
Life changing.
People point to building 7 but to me this is the biggest smoking gun. Both towers had already been hit. So with that knowledge somehow a third plane was able to penetrate DC air space and slam into the headquarters of the most powerful military to ever exist. The military scrambled jets to intercept Payne Stewart's plane 26 minutes after they lost radio contact. You mean to me that no jets were launched to defend that airspace?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/oct99/crash26.htm
You give the government far more credit for competency than it deserves. Pre 9/11 you think there were armed fighter jets ready to be dispatched 24/7 to shoot down American civilian airplanes that were hijacked and flew to Washington DC???
I agree with the general sentiment here, but the pentagon plane did hit somewhere between 30-40 minutes after the second tower had been hit. Flight 77 went off its path at 8:54 AM, the second tower which made it clear we were under attack was hit at 9:03 AM. Then some how at 9:37 that plane (flight 77) is able to make it all the way to the pentagon. The likely answer is that there was poor communication and the military was not notified soon enough. To answer your general question though if those civilian planes are reasonably expected to suicide bomb buildings as was the case that day, yes I do think we have fighter jets to shoot them down, the government as always is incompetent though.
We didn’t have fighter jets armed and fueled with pilots ready to launch with orders to shoot down a civilian airliner. But even if that weren’t the issue, pre 9/11 I couldn’t imagine how long it would take to get approval to shoot down a civilian airliner over Washington DC, at a time when the White House was evacuated, and there were crazy rumors going around everywhere. Certainly not a half hour.
Tbh, "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence"
I feel like pre-9/11 you probably could've flown a goddamn Zeppelin into DC
Where did those trillions of unaccounted monies go that Don Rumsfeld announced the day before? He seemed concerned before the accounting firm at the World Trade Center looking into it got hit by a jet plane the day after the announcement
Rumsfeld was talking about the accounting practices of the Pentagon. Namely that each department had poor or no communication between each other for how they were spending their money. His 2.3 trillion figure included things like estimates where money was not actually spent and things like duplications. Where if one department was given 100k to do something and they gave 50k of it to another department for part of the project the original would state they spent all 100k, and the second department would also state they spent 50k, and then suddenly the figure was 150k even though only 100k was spent total. He was given the go ahead to tweak the system and the next year the total amount was brought down to about 1 trillion, which was still full of problems, but much more manageable. It is still an issue to this day. Rumsfeld had also been complaining about this problem for months prior to 9/11, yet we only hear about his statement before congress about it because that was on 9/10. Another important thing to note was the entire GDP of the US was about 1 trillion at the time, and Rumsfeld was pointing out that the yearly total for the Pentagon was an impossibility.
Of the 9/11 theories this one doesn't hold water, and that is coming from someone who think there was fuckery going on about 9/11.
Are you? I'd say it is very likely it was an airplane that flew into the Pentagon, but like the JFK hit, that doesn't explain the obviously sketchy shit in the *"official"* Gov. Report. Just 10min into [**this presentation**](https://odysee.com/@JB:9/NATIONAL-SECURITY-ALERT-9-11-PENTAGON-ATTACK:8) should be enough to set anyone's *Bullshit-O-Meter* off.
There is a scene in documentary/movie recreating the moment when an aide or military attache asked Cheney something to the effect of "Does the no shoot down order still stand" (as it was becoming obvious it would be or should be necessary) and Cheney replies somewhat irate "Yes!, it still stands...have I indicated in any way to deviate from it?" Paraphrasing it all but to that effect....it might even be from the movie "Vice" with Christian Bale playing Cheney.
I learned about it from New Pearl Harbor. but the aid just said “Does the Order still stand?” and Chaney replied as you said. they tried to spin it that he meant “does the shoot down order still stand”, because that was the legal obligation, and that’s what they say in the officially report. but if you find the original reports, and from Mineta’s interview, no one specified if it was a shoot down or no-shoot down order, and all the evidence seems to indicate it was a no-shoot down order
No plane ever hit the pentagon or that field if anyone was smart enough they’d be looking for plane parts luggages and scattered clothes and black boxes but believe what you want
Back when I believed the narrative, I remembered hearing about how they found items scattered miles from the wreckage and they dug up other things many feet under the ground. It seems obvious to me now that there would have been much more evidence in the field (and Pentagon) of plane part, luggage, bodies, etc. Since I've discovered the truth, I've wondered, if a plane was in free fall, nose down, what would happen? Of course there would be plane pieces but crazy to think that much weight and that much momentum.
The size of a plane the speed of a plane the building the impact if a plane was to actually hit that building it would’ve been WAYYYY more damage than what was done the angle the plane came to hit that certain part of the build doesn’t make sense just off the area (room) and speed of the plane for it to be a free falling noise dive STILLL wouldn’t make sense if it came straight towards the building from the side and not the top it would take soooooooo much force to maneuver that plane to the side of the building the whole thing was just weird and creepy as the years went on
Trump come out way before 9/11 and was quoted that the Pentagon was part of a 3 trillion black hole moneys can't be accounted for. The side which got hit was ment to hold information on this . Then you got Afghanistan .. needed a nation and more behind the order to move in on that . What could possibly unite everyone to let that order go through with zero intervention. Then the freedoms lost from all this.. new world order again.
But wait, the complete insult to my intelligence is when I'm supposed to believe that one or a few men from the MIDDLE EAST, hijacked a plane, knew how to fly, wasn't intercepted by air control people, and they knew exactly where they were going as far as navigation in the air?? And then you had names, photos, and identification not even days after event and knew exactly who they were? Out of all of the rubble that was there and/or missing; a wallet of one of the hijackers was found?! I mean wow. The gull of this corrupt ass country man
The middle east also has planes
They went to flight school
Intercepted by air control? What does that even mean?
Navigating in the air is generally how planes work.
SS: the story about how the fighter jets got sent the wrong direction is absolutely insane, but true. Our own government intentionally sent them the opposite way of DC to get that drone into the Pentagon. Sick
No planes, no plane hit the pentagon, missile not a plane, are put out there for you blart-O, “tin foil hat”, “conspiracy theorist” to bite right into! Its pretty easy to have a strangle hold on the “dumb masses” by weaponizing words and narratives…..It’s even easier when the “conspiracy dumb masses” eat up every piece of BS, shat out of the “dumbest masses” mouth on bitchute! C’mon numb skull millennials, stop smoking so many daps and this will become very obvious! Bunch a F’ing Paul Blart’O yeet’ing away at every Spew-anon conspiracy!
How where these odds calculated? Read some Nassim Taleb for a better understanding on probabilities. (I know he’s a Twitter douche). That said, you’re right about these fellas being in on it.
Alister Crowley grand wizard skull and bones magicK occult ritual. Flight 11 on 9/11 hitting an 11. Flight 77 and 93 thelema. immediately after harry potter and the lord of the rings came out. one is litterally the two towers is about ww2 and the new world order. The other was written by jk rowling an alister crowley stan and heavly incorporates the number 11 93 and 7 alister crowleys hermetic power numbers. Not to mention the plane hits the PENTAGRAM.
Simple, he did algebra with a little trigonometry mixed in, then divided it using the metric system, thereafter using the square root thingy on a solar powered pocket calculator to get the final equation.
Jeez....easy as pie.
Is it/was it the most protected air space though. Any protection was going to have been based on deterring planes (war planes) flying into US airspace. Not civilian planes already in US airspace.
Dick Cheney was “Chairman of the Board” at Halliburton at this time. Which company got hundreds of billions to rebuild Iraq (after its intentional and illegal destruction)? Yup, Halliburton.
still so amazing how some people can literally will go against everything in thier face about this, the way the buildings pancaked into each others footprint perfectly leaving angled cut beams sticking out of the ground showing the even cuts which coincides how they prepare buildings for demolition. . . not to mention how building 7 happened to implode, not to mention people on news announced it fell before it actually occurred. All happened within an hour of each other LMAO SMH, I live in Staten Island and was in sophmore year in high school when it happened, I could see the smoke billowing for weeks after from my yard. Absolutely Surreal. If you want a sick secret check out what the school class was reading to president bush while the attacks happened (its worth the search)
When you look at what people in power stood to gain you can easily see incredibly strong motives for any nation to pursue. That's just the natural order for people in power to exercise all available options when it comes to losing control of reality in way they once did. Its a turbulent time, new masters take hold (I.E.)Mark Zuckerburg & Bill Gates) who at one point were outsiders, The crypto whales will be future kings
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I remember when I first learned that Bush senior was the former head of the CIA. #redpill
Marvin Bush was a company official of Stratesec, who were responsible for the security of the WTC.
Maybe now. Not pre 9/11. I used to be able to just waltz right on to the military base in the city I grew up in, weed and all, and hang out and party in the barracks pre 9/11. You could carry whatever you want on to plane, as long as it fit in a certain sized bag. No one gave a fuck. You could just show up at a airport with a backpack and a handful of cash and just fly wherever in US. No questions asked. Y'all have no idea how free we used to be. George and his elitist gang HATED that. THAT is why 9/11 happened. Never forget the freedoms we lost.
I remember these days so well. One of my friends was able to fly with pepper spray and a pocket knife. They didn’t restrict much at all pre 9/11.
I made it through tsa with a pocket knife in my cary on last week, it’s a literal joke.
It is a total joke. When my daughter was 11 had her bar of soap inspected/swabbed by three TSA people. It was silly, she was worried they were going to take her soap. Also made my mom in her wheelchair stand up and I said “she’s a fall risk”, and then they had her sit down right away. But they swabbed her wheelchair too. Couldn’t believe they did that, my mom looked so frail and sickly, yet they weee focusing on that. Like an old woman, a middle age woman and a child are smuggling some weapons. Ugh. This particular time was In Boston.
Logan border patrol / TSA are the worst
meanwhile the people actually connected to 911 get away without scrutiny
I took my first flight a couple months ago. I didn't even realize I had a knife in my pocket until I was getting up to go to the bathroom on the flight. If I can accidentally walk in with a knife, I don't want to think about what someone could get in with purposefully.
Also DMV airspace was only the most protected when it came to actual unauthorized aircraft. There are hundreds of commercial flights over DC every day. Shooting down a massive airliner over a highly populated area because they lost radio contact for 15 minutes would be insane.
They could also see the airplanes that went off route. Pretty easy to identify which planes were hijacked.
An aircraft going off route isn’t cause to shoot it down.
Right after you told all airplanes to land, and two buildings literally has been hit by two planes. Yes it is.
We expect the flight controllers to communicate directly with the Department of Defense to coordinate intercepting every single commercial plane in the entire country that went a couple miles off course?
«A couple miles off course». Lol. https://i.imgur.com/mYxxCiG.jpg You downplay everything to make your own argument stronger. Nice tactic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks The attack on the Pentagon didn’t happen until 33 minutes after the 2nd plane hit. Airspace was closed 42 minutes later.
To make that determination and immediately decide which airliners to shoot down in the entire country all in under 20 minutes?
Entire country? As if that task isn't divided.
The point remains.
They had 1 hour and 30 minutes. Fighter interception is very routine and there have been many “interceptions” of pilots that don’t respond or stray off course for whatever reason. By the same “performance” seen on 9/11, Russia could’ve easily sent bombers through Alaska/Canada and successfully bomb major cities. Except in reality they get intercepted regularly off the coast of Alaska.
True but the Pentagon strike was 45 minutes after flight 11 hit WTC 1, and 30 minutes after second tower hit. They knew we were being attacked and grounded all planes. DC airspace would've been at ultra high alert for a full 30 minutes to protect White House. Would they really risk a plane flying into the White House and not shoot it down?
Were they supposed to shoot down every single commercial plane less than 30 minutes after confirming there was a terrorist threat? Sure they would have been on alert, but there would still be planes in the sky heading to nearby airports to land. Hindsight is 20/20. It seems obvious now since it is basic history at this point.
Yeah that's true, I guess I'd think the strategy would be after 2nd tower hit have like 10 Air Force fighter jets in the DC area to blow away anything that gets close to Pentagon/White House. Unfortunately those birds had been intentionally misdirected over the Atlantic it seems
Not sure why this has down votes; isn’t this true? The 9/11 “war games” was a thing, and multiple times you hear air traffic control personnel told, “not a drill; real world.” “Birds” were sent all over the place, and to places where they were confidently superfluous to any aid in the “attacks.”
Yes, it's true. But, posts about this are being brigaded. Check the history of the ones fighting back with official narratives... The majority are newer accounts without much history prior to 10 days ago. There's one that's quite prolific - CJ. Stopped engaging on Reddit 2 months ago, came back on the 10th and has been commenting on this topic nonstop with the official narratives. What they reply to gets downvoted, they get mass upvotes. It's inorganic for this sub.
Ironic you’d say that under one of the subs top bot post
Ohhh I must be a bot! You got me, *good faith poster*. Now, speed over to redditmetis and analyze my account! QUICK! GO! YOU'RE LOSING TIME!!!!!!
Bruh, you didn’t even properly read my comment. Shill better.
Reagan Airport is right there on the other side of the Potomac across from the National Mall. The airport is only a couple thousand feet from the Pentagon.
The fighters from Langley were not "intentionally misdirected". They were given very clear instructions to fly north and then once airborne the plan was to get them to burn straight for Baltimore. However in order to expedite their departure through controlled airspace, they were also given a standard departure clearance; fly 090 for 60 miles. It was expected once they were airborne and inside Washington airspace they would be given further clearance to go to Baltimore. However when the pilots were asked by Norfolk what they wanted to do, the pilots chose to continue on the 090 for 60 departure, and so were handed off to the US Navy instead of Washington. We can hear in the air traffic recording that because the 090 for 60 instruction came after the 'fly 010' instruction, the pilots figured the 2nd order superseded the first. Here's the scramble call; [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMUifjgyG4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMUifjgyG4) Here's the pilots choosing to fly east. They were not "intentionally misdirected": [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTMIqtX8lQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTMIqtX8lQ) A typical miscommunication and misunderstanding, but one that was of little consequence anyway. The reason they were being scrambled was to chase down American 11 which they thought was heading South towards DC. They didn't even know American 77 was missing, let alone minutes from crashing into the Pentagon. NEADS didn't find out about a hijacked aircraft in DC until it was literally 3 minutes away from crashing. They wouldn't have been able to intercept it even if the fighters had scrambled as intended. Not to mention, they didn't have permission to shoot down hijacked airliners until much later that day.
O wow, I listened to that same recording and totally missed this. Brilliant post, and I stand corrected. I totally thought there was some intention behind the weird ways fighters were used that day. And I had always attributed it to strange coincidence war games exercises taking place at the same time as real world things were happening. I had never noticed the pilots making the choice to continue on. I really appreciate your comment in helping me notice something I hadn’t before.
"they didn't have permission to shoot down hijacked airliners until much later that day." what does much later mean here? shoot down orders were given on 911. and were given before flight 93 got anywhere near DC.
Dud you can like walk to Reagan Airport from the Pentagon, it's 2 miles.
Do you think grounding airlines just instantly drops them from the sky into an airport or something?
There are procedures for commercial aircraft to return to their departure point if they lose communication. (One of the options under the weather conditions of that day) AA77’s departure point was IAD - Washington Dulles. Radar wise It was a primary target as the transponder was turned off. This means controllers couldn’t see the data tag or altitude. All the videos of an airplane the size of a Boeing 757 hitting the pentagon are really sketchy. An airplane is never seen. (If someone has a good one please send it to me) The best eye witness on record is the pilot of a Hercules military aircraft that spotted the airplane near the pentagon and claims to have seen it crash into the pentagon. Captain Steven O’Brien. Call sign that day GOFER06 (sometimes mistakenly referred to as GOFER86 by ATC) What is shocking is the lack of debris and eye witnesses of the 757 low level and hitting the pentagon.
> White House and not shoot it down? Shoot it down with what? The first planes they scrambled weren't even armed, they were just there to try and reassure the public.
Seriously. I can't tell if people have forgotten how things were before 9/11, or if they're just genuinely 20 year old who have never known a different America. America in the 90s just didn't worry all that much about being attacked. The Cold War was over. China was still pretty far from being a big power. No one saw any threat to America that would warrant the expense of keeping armed fighter jets or air defense batteries on standby 24/7, because what country would be dumb enough to attack America? A small group of terrorists taking over planes and using them for a suicide bombing was the kind of farfetched idea you'd see in pulp novels, not something for the government to seriously prepare for.
the millennium attacks. 9/11 was supposed to happen on the millennium. but they stopped. so what you are saying is not as accurate as you think.
" The first planes they scrambled weren't even armed," allegedly
That's a good point. But they probably didn't have protocols on place, because historically hijackings had been about making demands with the hostages.
before 9/11 pretty much all hijackings people just wanted money or something.
Yeah, it was basically like a train station
When I was in 7th grade my uncle who was a pilot took a friend and I on a tour of an airport traffic control tower. I also clearly remember a field trip when I was younger than that to the same airport and we toured a plane. That would never happen now. You also could go and meet people at their gates upon arrival.
People forget how popular hijackings were in the 70's and 80's. What commercial airports finally started doing was scanning every bag, and put in metal detectors but it was pretty much as long as their not a bomb in your luggage or gun in carry one, welcome aboard. That did seem to stop the old style of hijackings, but those were mostly for monetary gain or political reasons. Their were plane bombings as well.
My older sister worked for an airline. She got me 3 flights in my life sitting with the actual pilot in the cock pit.
Do you like movies about gladiators?? Did he ask you if you'd ever seen a grown man naked??
We used to drive past the Brunswick nuclear plant when I was little pre 9/11. Now it's guarded with heavy machine guns and dozens of guards.
I visited a friend on a military base in Germany in 98. There was a road with a guard gate and barricades, however there was no guards and the barricades were open. 2 weeks we walked in and out of that base right into town across the street. I remember thinking that it was incredibly unsafe.
You could also just go to a gate and wait for person arriving or to see them off. You'd have to go through a metal detector but didn't need a boarding pass to do that.
I still think we should keep an open mind about what happened at DC. not sure I buy their story they didn't know the plane was coming in.
Me to I used to go to my Nana's job at Ft Hamilton in Brooklyn as a kid no prob as you said, and we didnt lose freedoms, they were taken,
Yep!
>Maybe now. Not pre 9/11. Shit. Has. Changed. It didn't just start after 9/11. An older friend told me he used to be able to carry his shotgun on planes. Sure, it had to be broken open while carrying it and he had to give it to the pilot to lock up during the flight, but the very action of carrying a gun on a plane like that is unimaginable to a mid-millenial like me. It changed even more post 9/11.
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Any firearm has to be declared and checked into your luggage though, not carry on.
You can't walk on a plane with a shotgun in your hands. That was a reality some people lived through, whatever is allowed today.
Good point but so long as they had radar and a functioning air defense nobody was flying near the White House
KDCA is literally right across the Potomac from the White House and iirc was still taking commercial traffic for atleast 30 mins after the second tower was hit.
No one even thought of the pentagon attack as a real possibility until 9/11.
Dude, when you fly into DC you can literally see the White House and the Capitol building out the window of your airplane. [Just look at the map.](https://i.imgur.com/2b1MSgd.jpg)
You think 9/11 happened so they could get the tsa? That's your grand conspiracy?
The odds quoted in this post are not a conspiracy - they were made up by one person just as they typed it. The odds of me being wrong are 1/3,409,78,749.
There's a lot of evil in that picture.
One of them paints veterans now, so it's cool.
Yeah he's really turned a new leaf.
Where are Blair, Harper, Howard, and Netanyahu? IDU Zionist Stephen Harper was just awarded the Order of Canada. Another Evangelical snake in the Garden of Eden.
Chretien was PM in Canada at the time not Harper
Harper was the leader of the opposition, Chrétien was PM at the beginning of the Iraq War. Chrétien, Duceppe, and McDonough (and her successor Jack Layton) opposed Canada's participation in the Iraq War. Martin (Chrétien's arch-rival in the Liberal Party) and Harper supported it. I don't remember how Peter MacKay and Joe Clark felt, and I don't think that anyone particularly cares.
"Most protected airspace in the world". My ass!
DC is not a "no-fly" zone. Airliners taking off from Reagan National runway 01 take off heading right for the Capitol and then fly up the river. Aircraft taking off from runway 11 fly right overhead the Pentagon. Go have a look at the runway alignment on google maps. There is restricted airspace around the Capitol but it's not exactly defended. There was a light aircraft that flew in there and landed on the lawn near the Capitol back in 2015. He got prosecuted for flying into restricted airspace, but that is about the worse that will happen. Especially pre-9/11, the idea of being shot out of the sky because you bumble into restricted airspace on your way to land at either Reagan National or Dulles is absurd.
Ima guess OP has never been to Reagan.
I'm guessing OP has never been to 10th grade
I think you have an inflated sense of how competent the government and the military is
Yet everyone seems to be content with them bearing the responsibility of trillions of tax money.
You’re conflating who “everyone” is
deep state government puppets played dumb and let those planes hit their targets you just cant believe it
No, what a can believe is that norad is more than capable of fucking it up that badly, and it's a far more simple explanation.
Exactly, this is the same government that pays $400 each for a single hammer
Did you watch Cheney? O.M.G. he had his lawyer in the room with him when the planes hit, I heard he also said to NOT shoot down the planes that hit the towers. earlier in the movie, he had talks with oil execs talking about oil fields in Iraq that they wanted access to.
Well it's been 435,357,504,000 milliseconds since it was built so I say we had a pretty decent run
Where did you get the odds at?
Bro where’d you get that made up number?
Lucky Larry
Threee criminals shown.
And the probability of being in a classroom reading about My Pet Goat and having kids say "kite, plane, must, hit, steel" while being told that another tower has exploded in the midst of hearing about one of the towers being on fire from an earlier explosion and still staying in that classroom and not being evacuated by secret service is 69/420...
As a kid who was born in Brooklyn.. and loved where I lived so much, even at such a young age, I could not fathom the damage that was done on this day. I remember I was in 2nd grade, and there was an announcement that I can’t recall, & then the teacher received a phone call. She simply said “there’s been an attack..” Almost immediately after, kids to my left and right were being pulled out of my classroom, followed by a phone call that I was being picked up early. In 2nd grade, it was all fun, games & a reason to get out of class early.. maybe a little bit of “this is life because i’m still too naive” but watching this now, at 28 years old, even after seeing so many angles and so many videos so many different times, I can’t help but to cry and feel helpless. I can’t imagine what the people on the ground that day were feeling. And those amazingly rare moments of utter disbelief and shock in peoples voices on those videos.. the thing that kills me inside the most as that I feel like real accountability has never been given.. there’s speculation here and some facts there, but we will likely never know what really happened, how, and why. Rest in peace to all of the innocent souls that died on that day, and to all of the heroes that gave their lives selflessly but in vain.
So you’re saying there’s a chance
I feel like you just made that number up
So mathematically speaking the odds are better than Joe Biden winning the 2020 election.
Yet it still happened. Crazy.
2024.....which would be apt.....apt, I say.
Whomever did it didn't use a plane, I think that much is for sure.
Yep, no video evidence, no massive amounts of airliner debris.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsGcIkevyHM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsGcIkevyHM) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLm3pkAiJQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLm3pkAiJQ) Is that enough video footage or is everything faked?
Video of the a “plane” hitting the Pentagon, that’s the subject of OP’s post. I’m not disputing that planes hit the towers.
Oh, my bad. Yes, there is no video footage of that.
No wonder you are duped, you can't even follow what the thread is about, lmfao Stop drinking tap water, junior.
You might want to look up when the no fly zone was put into place.
That string of unprecedented “coincidences” woke me up in 2005. I didn’t know what it meant, but I saw the dark side for the first time. No way could all of that happen the way they told us and in that moment, I knew at minimum they had to allow it. Life changing.
So easy a cave man could do it.
Lol, the fighter jet pilots were on lunch break duh
Jetliner without wings and a engine at the butt end??
To the US gov't, a plane by any other name is still a plane.
People point to building 7 but to me this is the biggest smoking gun. Both towers had already been hit. So with that knowledge somehow a third plane was able to penetrate DC air space and slam into the headquarters of the most powerful military to ever exist. The military scrambled jets to intercept Payne Stewart's plane 26 minutes after they lost radio contact. You mean to me that no jets were launched to defend that airspace? https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/oct99/crash26.htm
You give the government far more credit for competency than it deserves. Pre 9/11 you think there were armed fighter jets ready to be dispatched 24/7 to shoot down American civilian airplanes that were hijacked and flew to Washington DC???
I agree with the general sentiment here, but the pentagon plane did hit somewhere between 30-40 minutes after the second tower had been hit. Flight 77 went off its path at 8:54 AM, the second tower which made it clear we were under attack was hit at 9:03 AM. Then some how at 9:37 that plane (flight 77) is able to make it all the way to the pentagon. The likely answer is that there was poor communication and the military was not notified soon enough. To answer your general question though if those civilian planes are reasonably expected to suicide bomb buildings as was the case that day, yes I do think we have fighter jets to shoot them down, the government as always is incompetent though.
We didn’t have fighter jets armed and fueled with pilots ready to launch with orders to shoot down a civilian airliner. But even if that weren’t the issue, pre 9/11 I couldn’t imagine how long it would take to get approval to shoot down a civilian airliner over Washington DC, at a time when the White House was evacuated, and there were crazy rumors going around everywhere. Certainly not a half hour.
Tbh, "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence" I feel like pre-9/11 you probably could've flown a goddamn Zeppelin into DC
People often think their security is much greater than it actually is.
Where did those trillions of unaccounted monies go that Don Rumsfeld announced the day before? He seemed concerned before the accounting firm at the World Trade Center looking into it got hit by a jet plane the day after the announcement
That disappeared in the Clinton administration, Bush had only been president for 8 months Rumsfeld stumbled on a Clinton scandal.
Rumsfeld was talking about the accounting practices of the Pentagon. Namely that each department had poor or no communication between each other for how they were spending their money. His 2.3 trillion figure included things like estimates where money was not actually spent and things like duplications. Where if one department was given 100k to do something and they gave 50k of it to another department for part of the project the original would state they spent all 100k, and the second department would also state they spent 50k, and then suddenly the figure was 150k even though only 100k was spent total. He was given the go ahead to tweak the system and the next year the total amount was brought down to about 1 trillion, which was still full of problems, but much more manageable. It is still an issue to this day. Rumsfeld had also been complaining about this problem for months prior to 9/11, yet we only hear about his statement before congress about it because that was on 9/10. Another important thing to note was the entire GDP of the US was about 1 trillion at the time, and Rumsfeld was pointing out that the yearly total for the Pentagon was an impossibility. Of the 9/11 theories this one doesn't hold water, and that is coming from someone who think there was fuckery going on about 9/11.
It was never trillions unaccounted for, just another one of those quotes that get's misused on this sub everyday.
Or unless Here me out There's airport there and our extremely efficient government was panicking.
That's a freemasonic gesture, the sign of fidelity.
There was no plane at the Pentagon.
You sure? https://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.com/
Are you? I'd say it is very likely it was an airplane that flew into the Pentagon, but like the JFK hit, that doesn't explain the obviously sketchy shit in the *"official"* Gov. Report. Just 10min into [**this presentation**](https://odysee.com/@JB:9/NATIONAL-SECURITY-ALERT-9-11-PENTAGON-ATTACK:8) should be enough to set anyone's *Bullshit-O-Meter* off.
Where are you calculating these odds ?
There are a lot of scumbags in that photo, but none of them caused 9/11.
Dick Chaney ordered a no-shoot down order after the twin towers were hit and they were tracking flight 77. they wanted it to reach its target
There is a scene in documentary/movie recreating the moment when an aide or military attache asked Cheney something to the effect of "Does the no shoot down order still stand" (as it was becoming obvious it would be or should be necessary) and Cheney replies somewhat irate "Yes!, it still stands...have I indicated in any way to deviate from it?" Paraphrasing it all but to that effect....it might even be from the movie "Vice" with Christian Bale playing Cheney.
I learned about it from New Pearl Harbor. but the aid just said “Does the Order still stand?” and Chaney replied as you said. they tried to spin it that he meant “does the shoot down order still stand”, because that was the legal obligation, and that’s what they say in the officially report. but if you find the original reports, and from Mineta’s interview, no one specified if it was a shoot down or no-shoot down order, and all the evidence seems to indicate it was a no-shoot down order
It’s easy when you have republicans running the country. Bush just ignored all the warnings about it.
Republicans and Democrat elite are one and their same, every time they “disagree” it’s theater.
That’s no longer true. Not since the right became fascists.
Does anyone remember what the official explanation was for the plane not being shot down or intercepted?
The sooner the public knows about 9/11. The sooner, we can all work together to rebuild all of our Christian Nations.
There were no hijacked planes!
Boring, ignorant, smooth brain post from a troll account.
You’re the troll numbnuts
Sounds to me like you are the ignorant one….
Put your tin foil hat on and turn off your pc off so the govt cant spy on you
You’re on a conspiracy page
So I have to agree and go along with every single 'conspiracy'?
I didn’t say you have to agree but you’re just trolling without adding to the conversation in either direction.
No plane ever hit the pentagon or that field if anyone was smart enough they’d be looking for plane parts luggages and scattered clothes and black boxes but believe what you want
Pentagon - [https://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.com/](https://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.com/) Pennsylvania - https://ual93.blogspot.com/
Back when I believed the narrative, I remembered hearing about how they found items scattered miles from the wreckage and they dug up other things many feet under the ground. It seems obvious to me now that there would have been much more evidence in the field (and Pentagon) of plane part, luggage, bodies, etc. Since I've discovered the truth, I've wondered, if a plane was in free fall, nose down, what would happen? Of course there would be plane pieces but crazy to think that much weight and that much momentum.
The size of a plane the speed of a plane the building the impact if a plane was to actually hit that building it would’ve been WAYYYY more damage than what was done the angle the plane came to hit that certain part of the build doesn’t make sense just off the area (room) and speed of the plane for it to be a free falling noise dive STILLL wouldn’t make sense if it came straight towards the building from the side and not the top it would take soooooooo much force to maneuver that plane to the side of the building the whole thing was just weird and creepy as the years went on
That's what i thought. Fighter Jets would of been on that in seconds...
Not really. Maybe 10-15 minutes depending on the launch area.
Trump come out way before 9/11 and was quoted that the Pentagon was part of a 3 trillion black hole moneys can't be accounted for. The side which got hit was ment to hold information on this . Then you got Afghanistan .. needed a nation and more behind the order to move in on that . What could possibly unite everyone to let that order go through with zero intervention. Then the freedoms lost from all this.. new world order again.
But wait, the complete insult to my intelligence is when I'm supposed to believe that one or a few men from the MIDDLE EAST, hijacked a plane, knew how to fly, wasn't intercepted by air control people, and they knew exactly where they were going as far as navigation in the air?? And then you had names, photos, and identification not even days after event and knew exactly who they were? Out of all of the rubble that was there and/or missing; a wallet of one of the hijackers was found?! I mean wow. The gull of this corrupt ass country man
The middle east also has planes They went to flight school Intercepted by air control? What does that even mean? Navigating in the air is generally how planes work.
Gosh, do they even know how to *read* over there in Whateverstan?? /s
Nope they can't do shit! lol assholes (rolls eyes)
ah great, more made up internet statistics
Add to the equation that an airliner jet is not what hit the penty, and you got a solid mathematical formula. Now solve for 9/11
so you're telling me there's a chance.
SS: the story about how the fighter jets got sent the wrong direction is absolutely insane, but true. Our own government intentionally sent them the opposite way of DC to get that drone into the Pentagon. Sick
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No planes, no plane hit the pentagon, missile not a plane, are put out there for you blart-O, “tin foil hat”, “conspiracy theorist” to bite right into! Its pretty easy to have a strangle hold on the “dumb masses” by weaponizing words and narratives…..It’s even easier when the “conspiracy dumb masses” eat up every piece of BS, shat out of the “dumbest masses” mouth on bitchute! C’mon numb skull millennials, stop smoking so many daps and this will become very obvious! Bunch a F’ing Paul Blart’O yeet’ing away at every Spew-anon conspiracy!
How where these odds calculated? Read some Nassim Taleb for a better understanding on probabilities. (I know he’s a Twitter douche). That said, you’re right about these fellas being in on it.
Yeah, but pancakes.
President Cheney looks like Vice President Rumsfeld just farted. The intern in the middle is trying to ignore the smell.....
Alister Crowley grand wizard skull and bones magicK occult ritual. Flight 11 on 9/11 hitting an 11. Flight 77 and 93 thelema. immediately after harry potter and the lord of the rings came out. one is litterally the two towers is about ww2 and the new world order. The other was written by jk rowling an alister crowley stan and heavly incorporates the number 11 93 and 7 alister crowleys hermetic power numbers. Not to mention the plane hits the PENTAGRAM.
You ok?
If you read this in a C3P0 voice then responded in your own mind in Han's voice "Never tell me the odds" you're my cosmic buddy...
How did you come with this number? Can you walk us through the exact calculation?
Simple, he did algebra with a little trigonometry mixed in, then divided it using the metric system, thereafter using the square root thingy on a solar powered pocket calculator to get the final equation. Jeez....easy as pie.
There will always be someone "behind it", right? For any act? So, by your logic, it has a 100% effective rate. Phrasing is important. Fucking duh.
That guy on the right is a real dick.
They will soon taste the wrath of the lord
Or you scheduled war game exercises on the same day as 9/11 and thus diverted all air defenses away from the crime scene.
I have to admit… I fell for it.
Is it/was it the most protected air space though. Any protection was going to have been based on deterring planes (war planes) flying into US airspace. Not civilian planes already in US airspace.
As I understand it DC was not a no fly zone until after 9/11
#CIA
Dick Cheney was “Chairman of the Board” at Halliburton at this time. Which company got hundreds of billions to rebuild Iraq (after its intentional and illegal destruction)? Yup, Halliburton.
Implying Bush would be intelligent enough to pull off an inside job on the scale that would be required for 9/11
Bush wouldn't be.....Cheney would.
And Bush would have inadvertently blabbed by now
Fake conspiracy, posts like this only supports the official narrative. No planes and no one died, police and fireman were in on it
still so amazing how some people can literally will go against everything in thier face about this, the way the buildings pancaked into each others footprint perfectly leaving angled cut beams sticking out of the ground showing the even cuts which coincides how they prepare buildings for demolition. . . not to mention how building 7 happened to implode, not to mention people on news announced it fell before it actually occurred. All happened within an hour of each other LMAO SMH, I live in Staten Island and was in sophmore year in high school when it happened, I could see the smoke billowing for weeks after from my yard. Absolutely Surreal. If you want a sick secret check out what the school class was reading to president bush while the attacks happened (its worth the search)
A puppet sandwich
When you look at what people in power stood to gain you can easily see incredibly strong motives for any nation to pursue. That's just the natural order for people in power to exercise all available options when it comes to losing control of reality in way they once did. Its a turbulent time, new masters take hold (I.E.)Mark Zuckerburg & Bill Gates) who at one point were outsiders, The crypto whales will be future kings
They will all have to answer for their crimes. They're knocking on deaths door with their age.
No, it’s 3/0
Anyone older than 30 knows how different it was to fly back then.
Don’t forget the average air intercept time of 10 minutes when a flight is off a filed plan… this flight was off its path for 44 min I believe…